1 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:31,769 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 2 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:34,132 When World War Two broke out... 3 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:36,893 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 4 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:39,335 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 5 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:41,699 He started with us all... 6 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:45,096 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 7 00:02:45,180 --> 00:02:47,535 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now". 8 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:49,372 He threw stones at giants. 9 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:53,537 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 10 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:55,731 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 11 00:02:56,580 --> 00:03:00,539 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 12 00:03:01,620 --> 00:03:05,090 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 13 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:08,453 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 14 00:03:08,900 --> 00:03:12,097 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 15 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:15,378 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 16 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:17,734 Ladies and gentlemen... 17 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:21,813 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 18 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:24,050 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 19 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:45,930 This might just do nobody any good. 20 00:03:46,780 --> 00:03:50,375 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 21 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:52,576 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 22 00:03:52,980 --> 00:03:56,370 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 23 00:03:56,460 --> 00:03:58,735 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 24 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:01,935 But the elaborate structure of networks... 25 00:04:02,020 --> 00:04:05,695 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 26 00:04:06,540 --> 00:04:09,816 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 27 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:13,290 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio and television. 28 00:04:13,380 --> 00:04:15,257 And if what I say is responsible... 29 00:04:15,660 --> 00:04:18,128 ...I alone am responsible for the saying of it. 30 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:21,370 Our history will be what we make of it. 31 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:25,656 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 32 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:27,298 ...and there should be preserved... 33 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:30,099 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 34 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:34,015 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 35 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:36,536 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 36 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:40,090 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 37 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:44,249 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 38 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:48,615 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 39 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:50,936 Our mass media reflect this. 40 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:54,175 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 41 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:56,615 ...and recognize that television in the main... 42 00:04:56,700 --> 00:05:00,739 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 43 00:05:01,220 --> 00:05:03,415 ...then television and those who finance it... 44 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:06,298 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 45 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:09,088 ...may see a totally different picture too late. 46 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:57,212 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 47 00:06:06,620 --> 00:06:08,690 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 48 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:09,849 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 49 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:11,692 I may need it a little quicker than that! 50 00:06:11,780 --> 00:06:14,772 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 51 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:17,895 Morning, Johnny! 52 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:20,972 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 53 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:22,254 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 54 00:06:22,340 --> 00:06:25,412 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 55 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:28,173 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 56 00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:29,534 - Yes. - Thank you. 57 00:06:29,860 --> 00:06:30,849 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 58 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:34,615 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 59 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:36,531 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 60 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:37,848 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 61 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:39,373 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 62 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:42,133 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 63 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:47,774 Let me see this. 64 00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:54,730 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 65 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:56,413 You promise to be a loyal American? 66 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,570 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 67 00:06:58,660 --> 00:07:00,298 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 68 00:07:00,380 --> 00:07:02,291 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 69 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:03,699 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 70 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:06,772 Are you now or have you ever been... 71 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:09,010 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 72 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:11,534 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 73 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:13,736 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 74 00:07:13,820 --> 00:07:17,256 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 75 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:19,570 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 76 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:21,890 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 77 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:25,017 - Maybe you should talk to Murrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 78 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:28,813 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 79 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:32,897 If I don't sign it, they'll fire me. 80 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:40,055 Sign it. 81 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:42,530 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 82 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:47,056 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 83 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:51,618 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 84 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:55,411 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 85 00:07:56,380 --> 00:07:58,336 "Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 86 00:07:59,260 --> 00:08:00,693 "...glistening with dew." 87 00:08:01,660 --> 00:08:05,050 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 88 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:07,692 "So in our heart..." 89 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:10,573 "...our love for you..." 90 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:14,008 "...lies unrevealed." 91 00:08:16,420 --> 00:08:17,489 I used to... 92 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:28,210 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 93 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:35,890 ...especially over the past 18-19 months, when we've been... 94 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:39,412 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 95 00:08:40,660 --> 00:08:41,934 I didn't think that... 96 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:47,018 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 97 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:49,370 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 98 00:08:49,460 --> 00:08:51,416 - It's short. - How long is the piece? 99 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:53,172 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 100 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:55,933 It can't stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 101 00:08:56,020 --> 00:08:58,250 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 102 00:08:58,340 --> 00:09:01,537 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 103 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:04,612 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 104 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:07,055 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 105 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:10,257 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 106 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:12,808 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 107 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:16,097 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 108 00:09:16,180 --> 00:09:19,377 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 109 00:09:19,460 --> 00:09:22,452 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Franklin... 110 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:23,734 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 111 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:26,175 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 112 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:28,615 "At home with Ben Franklin. His electricity awards." 113 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:30,531 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 114 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:34,169 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 115 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:35,932 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 116 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:38,454 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 117 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:41,134 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 118 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:44,776 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 119 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:47,420 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not an obit piece. 120 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:50,014 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 121 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:52,690 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 122 00:09:52,780 --> 00:09:56,534 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 123 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:58,497 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 124 00:09:58,580 --> 00:10:01,219 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 125 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:02,775 Can you take this? 126 00:10:02,860 --> 00:10:05,328 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 127 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:08,776 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 128 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:11,169 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 129 00:10:11,260 --> 00:10:13,296 May I finish? It's national security! 130 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:16,053 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 131 00:10:16,540 --> 00:10:20,738 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 132 00:10:21,540 --> 00:10:24,737 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 133 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:28,014 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 134 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:30,534 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 135 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:33,209 Thank you, John. 136 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:35,419 There's not much there. 137 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:38,896 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 138 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,411 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 139 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:46,857 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 140 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:49,571 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 141 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:54,695 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 142 00:10:54,780 --> 00:10:59,217 ...read some Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 143 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:01,052 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 144 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:04,334 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 145 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:07,571 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 146 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:09,332 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 147 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:12,571 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 148 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:15,015 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 149 00:11:16,660 --> 00:11:20,175 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 150 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:22,455 Is he being brought before the Committee? 151 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:24,095 No. 152 00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:26,499 Then it's not McCarthy. 153 00:11:28,060 --> 00:11:29,015 Isn't it? 154 00:11:34,860 --> 00:11:36,339 Milo Radulovich. 155 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:41,773 What happens to your children... 156 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:44,658 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 157 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:47,573 If I am being judged on my relatives... 158 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:53,409 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 159 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:57,379 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 160 00:11:58,060 --> 00:12:02,850 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 161 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:05,170 ...why their father is a security risk? 162 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:10,571 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 163 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:14,899 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 164 00:12:15,660 --> 00:12:17,855 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 165 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:25,534 Well, that's new. 166 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,258 You can't call this a neutral piece. 167 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:31,491 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 168 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:33,093 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 169 00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:36,092 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 170 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:37,374 ...both sides, no commentary. 171 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:40,338 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 172 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:42,012 We're giving them the information up front... 173 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:43,613 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 174 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:44,689 Frank, hold on. 175 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:47,012 I've searched my conscience. 176 00:12:47,180 --> 00:12:50,252 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 177 00:12:50,340 --> 00:12:53,093 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 178 00:12:53,180 --> 00:12:55,136 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 179 00:12:55,220 --> 00:12:58,053 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 180 00:12:58,140 --> 00:12:59,778 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 181 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:01,851 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 182 00:13:01,940 --> 00:13:04,773 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 183 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:05,849 Do me a favor... 184 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:09,137 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 185 00:13:09,220 --> 00:13:10,369 Please, don't insult me. 186 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:14,859 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 187 00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:17,570 ...and also have some military contracts... 188 00:13:17,660 --> 00:13:20,732 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 189 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:22,776 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 190 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:25,852 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 191 00:13:25,940 --> 00:13:29,171 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 192 00:13:29,260 --> 00:13:32,616 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 193 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:37,457 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 194 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:39,009 Excuse me. 195 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:49,499 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 196 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:51,971 I've got a great story about Hoover. 197 00:13:55,780 --> 00:13:58,135 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 198 00:13:58,220 --> 00:14:01,178 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 199 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:03,251 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 200 00:14:08,140 --> 00:14:09,619 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 201 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:13,852 Alcoa won't pay for the ads. 202 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:18,335 And we probably won't either. But nobody'll stop you. 203 00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:19,535 How much are the ads? 204 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:24,737 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 205 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:29,457 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 206 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:32,852 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 207 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:44,538 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 208 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:47,771 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 209 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:50,772 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 210 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:52,532 We'll be going right down to the wire. 211 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:57,091 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 212 00:14:57,180 --> 00:15:00,729 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 213 00:15:00,820 --> 00:15:04,369 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 214 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:05,779 ...not to approve this piece. 215 00:15:06,380 --> 00:15:09,292 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 216 00:15:09,380 --> 00:15:11,814 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 217 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,368 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 218 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:17,975 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 219 00:15:18,060 --> 00:15:20,290 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 220 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:24,339 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 221 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:28,299 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 222 00:15:28,380 --> 00:15:31,577 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 223 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:34,128 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 224 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:36,780 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 225 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:41,093 Or you, Colonel Jenkins? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 226 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:47,373 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 227 00:15:47,940 --> 00:15:51,091 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 228 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:54,572 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 229 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:57,500 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 230 00:15:58,140 --> 00:16:01,450 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 231 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:12,932 We have had no hearing at all. We have had no day in court. 232 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:17,299 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 233 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:21,857 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 234 00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:23,851 ...as this thing has developed. 235 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:26,813 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 236 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:28,777 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 237 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:32,091 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 238 00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:33,408 He's on his way to the control room. 239 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,092 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 240 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:36,898 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 241 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:38,174 Booth is there, it's already set. 242 00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:40,376 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 243 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:42,212 That's not what I asked for. 244 00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:45,697 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 245 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:47,816 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 246 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:50,539 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 247 00:16:50,620 --> 00:16:51,848 Get him out of the booth! 248 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:57,376 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 249 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,094 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 250 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,448 2 minutes to air, fellas. 251 00:17:03,820 --> 00:17:07,017 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 252 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:12,017 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 253 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:14,978 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 254 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:21,015 We got the film. 255 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:23,374 Will it be ready? 256 00:17:23,860 --> 00:17:24,849 You bet. 257 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:31,774 Funny thing, Freddy! 258 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:35,371 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 259 00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:52,178 It occurs to me we might not get away with this one. 260 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:01,212 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 261 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,370 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 262 00:18:03,620 --> 00:18:04,848 Ready on camera 1. 263 00:18:11,540 --> 00:18:15,658 5, 4, 3, 2. 264 00:18:18,420 --> 00:18:19,614 Pan, camera 1. 265 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:22,055 Good evening. 266 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:26,015 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 267 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:27,818 ...about Milo Radulovich... 268 00:18:28,180 --> 00:18:30,296 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 269 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:34,135 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 270 00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:38,416 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 271 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:41,617 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 272 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:44,294 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 273 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:48,570 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 274 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:50,936 A board was called and heard his case. 275 00:18:51,020 --> 00:18:54,490 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 276 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:57,856 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 277 00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:59,692 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 278 00:18:59,820 --> 00:19:02,129 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 279 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:04,256 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 280 00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:07,133 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 281 00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:10,898 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 282 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:14,451 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 283 00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:16,417 What did the General tell you yesterday? 284 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:19,697 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 285 00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:21,139 They weren't too pleased. 286 00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:23,857 You're gonna get audited this year. 287 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:27,257 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 288 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,014 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 289 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:38,929 In 10 seconds. 290 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:45,734 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 291 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:49,137 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 292 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:53,936 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 293 00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:56,853 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 294 00:19:57,340 --> 00:20:02,289 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 295 00:20:02,380 --> 00:20:06,339 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 296 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:11,490 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 297 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:13,576 ...why their father is a security risk? 298 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:19,170 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 299 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:23,658 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 300 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:27,858 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 301 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:31,250 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 302 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,058 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 303 00:20:35,140 --> 00:20:38,132 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 304 00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:41,179 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 305 00:20:41,260 --> 00:20:44,218 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 306 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:46,211 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 307 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:50,816 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 308 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:54,097 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 309 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:58,059 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 310 00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:01,777 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 311 00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:05,899 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 312 00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:07,369 We do not know. 313 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:11,331 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 314 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:14,816 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 315 00:21:15,820 --> 00:21:18,971 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 316 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:22,814 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 317 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:25,255 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 318 00:21:25,340 --> 00:21:27,649 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 319 00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:30,379 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 320 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:34,014 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 321 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,136 ...between the individual and the state... 322 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:37,733 ...we will do it ourselves... 323 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:42,538 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 324 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:46,457 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 325 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:50,296 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 326 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:53,617 Good night, and good luck. 327 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:01,335 And we're out. 328 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:34,319 May I tell you something about yourself... 329 00:23:34,354 --> 00:23:35,338 May I tell you something about yourself... 330 00:23:35,420 --> 00:23:37,729 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 331 00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:39,811 Based on audience research studies... 332 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:43,776 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 333 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:47,377 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 334 00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:49,292 ...to sports and show business. 335 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:52,697 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 336 00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:56,534 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 337 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:59,979 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 338 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:02,130 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow's program... 339 00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:03,699 ...to tell you about Kent. 340 00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:08,809 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filters best. 341 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:12,052 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 342 00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:15,212 ...with many other thinking people who have changed to Kent. 343 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:20,250 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 344 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:24,331 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 345 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:28,095 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 346 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:29,693 Now back to Ed Murrow. 347 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,698 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 348 00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:37,375 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 349 00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:41,375 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 350 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:45,215 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 351 00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:48,777 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 352 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:52,057 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 353 00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:55,929 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 354 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:59,657 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 355 00:25:00,620 --> 00:25:02,690 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 356 00:25:02,780 --> 00:25:07,331 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 357 00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:14,049 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 358 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:16,415 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 359 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,378 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 360 00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:21,974 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 361 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:25,814 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 362 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:28,494 I want to some day find the perfect mate... 363 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:32,773 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 364 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,414 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 365 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:40,451 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 366 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:43,540 ...and she's looking for her dream man, too... 367 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:46,011 ...and I hope she finds him some day. 368 00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:50,935 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 369 00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:52,135 It's been very pleasant. 370 00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:54,290 And will you say good night to your family for us? 371 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:56,018 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 372 00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,852 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 373 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:01,899 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 374 00:26:01,980 --> 00:26:04,540 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his new bride. 375 00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:07,180 Until then, good night, and good luck. 376 00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:14,698 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 377 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:38,134 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 378 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:40,814 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 379 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,892 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 380 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:45,936 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 381 00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:48,136 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 382 00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:50,973 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 383 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:53,620 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 384 00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:56,654 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 385 00:26:57,660 --> 00:26:59,013 You're getting good at this! 386 00:26:59,540 --> 00:27:01,258 They're gonna think you like it! 387 00:27:01,420 --> 00:27:03,615 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 388 00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:05,849 Ah, it's... 389 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:08,409 ...day to day. 390 00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:11,938 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 391 00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:15,729 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 392 00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:20,252 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 393 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:23,528 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 394 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:27,299 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 395 00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:30,378 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 396 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:32,492 Well, see, I rest my case. 397 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:38,213 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 398 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:42,329 Thanks, Ed. 399 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,771 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 400 00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:49,932 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 401 00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:52,813 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 402 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:58,212 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 403 00:27:58,460 --> 00:28:00,098 You let me know if I can help. 404 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:01,699 But you're a pinko. 405 00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:05,534 I'll see you. 406 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:23,420 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 407 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,298 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 408 00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:27,654 What would you say if I told you... 409 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:30,208 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 410 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,258 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 411 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:38,858 McCarthy going to the Eisenhower dinner? 412 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:42,376 - I have no idea. I don't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 413 00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:49,889 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 414 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:52,016 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 415 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,137 I didn't know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 416 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:58,656 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 417 00:28:59,020 --> 00:29:00,453 No pun elocuted. 418 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:05,691 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 419 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:08,579 Murrow's been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 420 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:12,050 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 421 00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:14,574 ...and on the Soviet payroll in 1935. It's all there. 422 00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:16,457 You wanna know why that's not possible? 423 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:17,973 Why you'll lose this one? 424 00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:20,331 Because everyone in this country... 425 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:23,412 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's a patriot. 426 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,939 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 427 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:30,898 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 428 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:35,339 I think you guys go too far. 429 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,930 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 430 00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:45,774 Yes, Mr. Paley. 431 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:48,298 Right away. Yes, sir. 432 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:51,339 No, he hasn't called. 433 00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:56,255 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 434 00:29:57,540 --> 00:29:59,337 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 435 00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:03,015 Mr. Murrow! 436 00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:05,532 Mr. Paley will see you now. 437 00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:12,815 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 438 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:16,053 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 439 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:17,895 How's Janet? 440 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,609 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 441 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:23,777 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 442 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:26,933 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 443 00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:29,614 You'd never know. 444 00:30:33,340 --> 00:30:34,568 Reading fiction? 445 00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:36,977 I hope so. You tell me. 446 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:40,092 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 447 00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:42,978 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 448 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:45,574 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 449 00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:50,533 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 450 00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:55,094 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 451 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:59,539 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 452 00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:03,290 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 453 00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:05,735 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 454 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:07,253 ...and that the News was to be left... 455 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:09,058 We don't make the news, we report the news. 456 00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:11,779 99% of the time he's wrong about those he's marked as Communists. 457 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:13,816 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 458 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:14,855 ...and we will report on that. 459 00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:18,091 But he's wrong 100% of the time when he oversteps people's civil liberties. 460 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:19,249 And you're trying him in the press? 461 00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:21,251 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 462 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:23,729 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 463 00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:26,050 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 464 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:29,849 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 465 00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:33,690 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 466 00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:48,449 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 467 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:53,051 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 468 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:56,809 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 469 00:31:56,940 --> 00:32:00,410 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 470 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,776 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 471 00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:07,057 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 472 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:09,528 Yes? 473 00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:18,011 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 474 00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:20,778 And we're gonna go right at him. 475 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:24,053 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 476 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:27,177 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 477 00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:29,376 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 478 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:33,135 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 479 00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:35,017 ...if you attended a party, anything... 480 00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:38,137 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 481 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:40,810 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 482 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:47,971 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 483 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:50,299 Palmer, you kidding? 484 00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:53,654 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 485 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:56,698 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 486 00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:59,613 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 487 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:03,018 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 488 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:07,293 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 489 00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:08,779 ...somebody'll find out. 490 00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:11,853 They'll hurt us with it. 491 00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:15,695 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 492 00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:17,849 Fred. 493 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:23,500 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 494 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:25,770 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 495 00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:28,420 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 496 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,219 ...we'd all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants. 497 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,570 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 498 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:42,615 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 499 00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:46,454 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 500 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:48,978 Okay, fellas, here we go. 501 00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:51,451 His own words, that's what we need. 502 00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:53,974 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 503 00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:56,938 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 504 00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:59,250 "...you should be removed from any command." 505 00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:03,369 "Any man who says, 'I will protect and honor a General'..." 506 00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:07,772 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 507 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,618 Ethically, we're fine. 508 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:13,375 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 509 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:15,769 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 510 00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:19,136 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 511 00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:20,539 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 512 00:34:20,620 --> 00:34:22,576 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 513 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:25,056 ...scream and cry about our methods... 514 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:28,176 ...of trying to drag the truth... 515 00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:31,770 ...from those who know or should know... 516 00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:35,413 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 517 00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:37,579 But they say, "Oh..." 518 00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:42,374 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 519 00:34:44,380 --> 00:34:48,737 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 520 00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:51,258 I had many offers of attorneys... 521 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:55,094 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The questions is: 522 00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:58,013 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 523 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,568 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 524 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:01,655 The answer is yes. 525 00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:04,129 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 526 00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:07,292 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 527 00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:09,657 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 528 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:12,294 I know this was in 1932. 529 00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:14,450 Do you know that they since have been listed... 530 00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:16,974 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 531 00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:19,210 I do not know that they have been listed so, sir. 532 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,575 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 533 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:22,854 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 534 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:26,569 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 535 00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:28,890 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 536 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:31,289 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 537 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:32,893 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 538 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:35,210 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 539 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,449 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 540 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:38,815 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 541 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,652 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 542 00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:43,459 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 543 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,019 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 544 00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:47,410 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 545 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,531 Did you finish your closing piece? 546 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:54,409 It's Shakespeare. 547 00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:57,494 Write your closing. 548 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,017 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 549 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,579 ...it doesn't make any difference. 550 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:31,855 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 551 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:32,929 If you don't, you'll love it. 552 00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:34,931 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 553 00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:36,453 I don't think we can take that chance. 554 00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:39,054 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 555 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:43,971 The blue one. They haven't gone after the Alsops or Herb Block. 556 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:46,853 Honey, the Alsops and Herb Block... 557 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:51,015 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 558 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:53,099 Then I guess it's time. 559 00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,055 You worried? 560 00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:05,059 I didn't think I was. 561 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:08,214 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 562 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:11,452 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 563 00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:13,895 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 564 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:19,094 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 565 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:22,173 ...to see who was listening. - And who was listening? 566 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:25,089 Chairman Mao... 567 00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:32,539 I'll see you at the office. 568 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:35,018 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 569 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:39,579 Name me another wife... 570 00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,659 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 571 00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:45,812 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 572 00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:56,455 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 573 00:37:58,460 --> 00:38:01,930 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 574 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:04,057 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 575 00:38:04,340 --> 00:38:07,616 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 576 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:09,048 Are you interested? 577 00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:12,693 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 578 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:13,935 Is that tonight? 579 00:38:15,580 --> 00:38:16,808 We're covered, Bill. 580 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:18,735 All right. 581 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:25,096 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 582 00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:42,415 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 583 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:45,731 Can we hold all the calls, please? 584 00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:48,096 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 585 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,536 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 586 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:53,533 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 587 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:10,008 10 seconds. 588 00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:18,531 5, 4, 3, 2. 589 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,259 And pan, camera one. 590 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:28,089 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 591 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,730 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 592 00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:33,459 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 593 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:35,974 ...whatever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 594 00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:40,129 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 595 00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:42,370 ...and desires to answer himself... 596 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:45,293 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 597 00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:48,168 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 598 00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:50,452 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 599 00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:53,737 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 600 00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:57,176 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 601 00:39:57,260 --> 00:40:00,570 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 602 00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:02,533 We applaud that statement... 603 00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:04,770 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 604 00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:07,210 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 605 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:11,451 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 606 00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:14,094 ...between America's two great political parties. 607 00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:15,738 If this fight against Communism... 608 00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:18,892 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 609 00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:22,450 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 610 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:25,816 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 611 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:29,134 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 612 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:32,857 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 613 00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,056 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 614 00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:37,496 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 615 00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:39,935 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 616 00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:41,931 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 617 00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:46,252 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 618 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,892 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 619 00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:53,848 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 620 00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:56,858 As I read his statement, I... 621 00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:00,658 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 622 00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:03,450 "...doth this our Caesar feed?". 623 00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:04,535 The questions is: 624 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,532 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 625 00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:10,088 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 626 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:11,135 The answer is yes. 627 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:13,859 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 628 00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:15,413 Its publication... 629 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:19,054 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 630 00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:22,537 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 631 00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:27,218 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 632 00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:29,372 You can go back to the publisher... 633 00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:32,975 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 634 00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,130 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 635 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:38,492 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 636 00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:40,409 I'll say that. 637 00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:44,609 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 638 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:45,894 Twice he said... 639 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:49,849 ..."The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 640 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:52,818 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 641 00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:55,619 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 642 00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:57,850 ...or any other federal government agency. 643 00:41:58,180 --> 00:42:01,172 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 644 00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:03,774 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 645 00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:06,374 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 646 00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:11,658 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 647 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:14,534 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 648 00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:18,056 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 649 00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:22,258 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 650 00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:25,090 No one familiar with the history of this country... 651 00:42:25,180 --> 00:42:27,774 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 652 00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:30,613 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 653 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,136 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 654 00:42:34,220 --> 00:42:37,929 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 655 00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,568 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 656 00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:44,098 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 657 00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:47,975 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 658 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,095 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 659 00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:53,933 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 660 00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:56,580 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 661 00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:59,931 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 662 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:03,490 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 663 00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:06,856 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 664 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:10,651 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 665 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:13,208 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 666 00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:16,334 We can deny our heritage and our history... 667 00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:19,093 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 668 00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:21,855 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 669 00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:25,728 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 670 00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:29,176 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 671 00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:32,010 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 672 00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,978 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 673 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:37,494 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 674 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,898 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 675 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:43,570 He didn't create this situation of fear... 676 00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:46,698 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 677 00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:49,454 Cassius was right. 678 00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:54,178 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 679 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:57,131 Good night, and good luck. 680 00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:05,609 And we're out. 681 00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:19,689 Nothing? 682 00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:24,213 Maybe nobody watched. 683 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,375 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 684 00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:34,328 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 685 00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:38,055 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 686 00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:40,850 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 687 00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:43,138 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 688 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:44,892 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 689 00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:48,097 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 690 00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:51,058 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 691 00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:53,734 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 692 00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:55,378 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 693 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:58,099 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 694 00:45:00,860 --> 00:45:04,773 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 695 00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:13,134 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 696 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,098 ...the national policy... 697 00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:19,730 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 698 00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:20,809 Great show! 699 00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:22,848 Feel like a Scotch? 700 00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:25,411 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 701 00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:18,052 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 702 00:46:18,140 --> 00:46:19,732 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 703 00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:22,653 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 704 00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:24,617 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 705 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:28,971 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 706 00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:01,772 Okay. Here we go. 707 00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:05,138 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 708 00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:06,249 - First? - Good. 709 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,652 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 710 00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:10,454 Gould... 711 00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:14,296 Edward R. Murrow's television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 712 00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:18,055 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 713 00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:21,530 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 714 00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:24,259 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 715 00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:27,969 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 716 00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:29,294 The program... Hold on! 717 00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:32,053 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 718 00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:35,098 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 719 00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:37,091 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 720 00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:40,013 That was Mr. Murrow's and television's triumph... 721 00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:41,579 ...and a very great one. 722 00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:45,889 Here! Here! 723 00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:48,096 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 724 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:50,497 Send the New York Times a bottle of Scotch. 725 00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:52,536 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 726 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:54,497 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 727 00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:57,091 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 728 00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:01,452 - Go on, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 729 00:48:01,540 --> 00:48:02,939 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 730 00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:06,897 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 731 00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:13,816 We can't say we were surprised at Murrow's "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 732 00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:16,733 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 733 00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:20,017 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 734 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,409 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 735 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,776 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 736 00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:28,738 ...featured Murrow's PM prot�g�, Hollenbeck. 737 00:48:29,460 --> 00:48:31,735 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 738 00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:35,130 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 739 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:36,494 ...from and for the Left. 740 00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:38,769 So on. So on... 741 00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:40,896 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 742 00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:44,017 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 743 00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:51,531 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 744 00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:53,258 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 745 00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:55,456 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 746 00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:59,328 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 747 00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:03,049 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 748 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:05,370 He then proceeded through an equally... 749 00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:08,858 ...tilted review of the day's events... 750 00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:12,171 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 751 00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:14,055 So on. 752 00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:19,538 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 753 00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:22,892 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 754 00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:27,292 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 755 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:29,655 Joe... Shirley... 756 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:35,608 It doesn't matter. 757 00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:41,729 To Jack Gould! 758 00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:45,573 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 759 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:46,615 I love Jack Gould! 760 00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:49,979 May he rest in peace. 761 00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,819 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 762 00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:57,855 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 763 00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:59,737 All the ad guys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 764 00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:01,731 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 765 00:50:01,820 --> 00:50:03,139 We're putting out a press release... 766 00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:05,973 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 767 00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:08,335 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 768 00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:11,817 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 769 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:13,849 Mr. Paley... 770 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:16,970 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 771 00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:22,855 How's your wife? 772 00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,370 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 773 00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:28,418 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 774 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:29,455 It's nice there. 775 00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:31,295 Yes, sir. 776 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:39,015 Excuse me. 777 00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:42,895 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckley to do his rebuttal. 778 00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:45,135 I said no. 779 00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:47,849 Yes, sir. 780 00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:54,935 Hey, Johnny! 781 00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:57,330 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 782 00:50:57,420 --> 00:51:00,059 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 783 00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:01,937 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 784 00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:04,454 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 785 00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:05,973 Got some very good news. 786 00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:09,538 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 787 00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:11,576 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 788 00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:14,450 I have decided that it is consistent... 789 00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:17,179 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 790 00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:20,411 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 791 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:23,777 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Full stop. 792 00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:29,770 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 793 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:31,375 Great job! 794 00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:33,291 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 795 00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:35,257 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 796 00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:36,534 This means something. 797 00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:38,133 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 798 00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:42,099 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 799 00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:49,775 Palmer! 800 00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:54,696 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 801 00:51:58,140 --> 00:51:59,129 When? 802 00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:00,769 Tomorrow. 803 00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,891 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 804 00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:05,969 Any ideas? 805 00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,058 Just tell them what you know. 806 00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:11,734 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 807 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:14,892 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 808 00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:17,210 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 809 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,530 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 810 00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:21,497 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 811 00:52:21,580 --> 00:52:23,138 No, sir, never. 812 00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:25,370 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 813 00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:29,089 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 814 00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:34,854 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 815 00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:38,737 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 816 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,897 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 817 00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,172 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 818 00:52:45,260 --> 00:52:47,330 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 819 00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:50,459 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 820 00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:54,053 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 821 00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:57,576 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 822 00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:00,332 ...to the Communist Party. 823 00:53:01,060 --> 00:53:02,698 - Is that correct? - That's right. 824 00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:04,896 You've never paid any dues, payment... 825 00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:06,572 Thank you very much, Leo! 826 00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:09,212 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 827 00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:11,094 Now what is the show? 828 00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:13,819 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 829 00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,368 - Or is it her Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 830 00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:18,815 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 831 00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:20,538 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 832 00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:23,134 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 833 00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:24,858 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 834 00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:26,612 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 835 00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:29,089 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 836 00:53:29,180 --> 00:53:31,899 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 837 00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:34,414 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 838 00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:36,968 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 839 00:53:37,060 --> 00:53:38,493 It's the front page of the New York Times. 840 00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:42,095 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 841 00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:45,013 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 842 00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:46,658 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 843 00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:49,618 - He leaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 844 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:51,213 Get me copies from any newspaper... 845 00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:52,858 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 846 00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:56,137 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 847 00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:59,132 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 848 00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:02,212 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 849 00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,212 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 850 00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:07,131 We have some footage of the empty chair. 851 00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:10,257 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 852 00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:13,059 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 853 00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:15,210 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of the chair. 854 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,860 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 855 00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:21,649 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 856 00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:26,528 Thank you, Natalie. 857 00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:34,097 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 858 00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:36,648 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 859 00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:39,129 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 860 00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:44,456 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 861 00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:47,418 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 862 00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:49,889 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 863 00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:51,769 He'll lose. 864 00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:53,738 Not if we're playing bridge. 865 00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:58,133 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 866 00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:00,290 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have a minute? 867 00:55:00,740 --> 00:55:04,210 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 868 00:55:04,580 --> 00:55:05,899 We have 4 days... 869 00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:08,529 ...to do a 28 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 870 00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:10,019 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 871 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:11,738 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 872 00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:13,572 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 873 00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:16,415 Thank you, dear. 874 00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,694 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 875 00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:22,611 - O'Brian doesn't matter. - He's killing me, Ed. 876 00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:24,418 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 877 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:25,853 We've got to let that guy have it. 878 00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:29,091 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 879 00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:30,408 I can't defeat them both. 880 00:55:31,460 --> 00:55:34,611 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 881 00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:41,815 Okay. I guess not. 882 00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:44,095 Sorry, Don. 883 00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:59,417 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 884 00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:02,492 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 885 00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:06,129 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 886 00:56:06,220 --> 00:56:09,735 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 887 00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:10,935 ...so help you God? 888 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:17,140 May we get your full name for the record, please? 889 00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:18,774 Annie Lee Moss. 890 00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:21,452 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 891 00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:24,897 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 892 00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:27,096 ...for the information of your counsel... 893 00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:29,457 ...that you are not here because... 894 00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:35,575 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 895 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:39,056 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 896 00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:43,451 We are rather curious, however, to know how you suddenly... 897 00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:46,053 ...were shifted from... 898 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,812 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 899 00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,251 I am today much more interested... 900 00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:58,529 ...in the handling of your case... 901 00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:02,332 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 902 00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:06,693 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 903 00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:09,978 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 904 00:57:10,540 --> 00:57:12,451 You have been told what the rule is. 905 00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:15,652 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 906 00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:22,775 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 907 00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:25,736 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 908 00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:30,653 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 909 00:57:30,740 --> 00:57:32,014 Yes, I had. 910 00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:36,452 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 911 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:39,419 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 912 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:41,377 Have you ever handled coded messages? 913 00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:44,854 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 914 00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:47,256 No more than to transmit the message. 915 00:57:47,340 --> 00:57:49,615 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 916 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,294 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 917 00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:54,894 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 918 00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:56,648 Do you know the... 919 00:57:58,580 --> 00:58:00,172 ...type of classification... 920 00:58:00,260 --> 00:58:04,253 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 921 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,731 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 922 00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:09,129 I see. 923 00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:13,332 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 924 00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:18,339 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 925 00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:22,493 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would take over as Chairman? 926 00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:28,739 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 927 00:58:28,820 --> 00:58:31,732 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 928 00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:35,779 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 929 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:39,450 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 930 00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:41,212 ...of the Communist Party... 931 00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:43,855 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 932 00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:47,137 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 933 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:50,250 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 934 00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:52,092 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 935 00:58:52,180 --> 00:58:54,740 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 936 00:58:54,820 --> 00:58:56,776 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 937 00:58:56,860 --> 00:59:00,933 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 938 00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:05,050 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 939 00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:08,895 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 940 00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:12,377 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 941 00:59:12,460 --> 00:59:15,930 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 942 00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:19,251 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 943 00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:25,691 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 944 00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:29,659 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 945 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:32,938 ...by testimony, under oath. 946 00:59:33,220 --> 00:59:36,656 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 947 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:38,298 ...be stricken from the record. 948 00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:40,974 I didn't ask that, Mr. Chairman! 949 00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:43,574 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 950 00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:46,732 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 951 00:59:46,820 --> 00:59:51,177 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 952 00:59:51,260 --> 00:59:55,299 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 953 00:59:55,380 --> 01:00:00,295 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 954 01:00:02,140 --> 01:00:03,414 ...evil of it! 955 01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:06,772 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 956 01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:08,259 ...to a citizen of this country... 957 01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:10,331 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 958 01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:11,773 ...then when they get through, say... 959 01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:14,693 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 960 01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:17,374 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 961 01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:20,930 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 962 01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:26,010 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 963 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:30,252 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 964 01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:33,039 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 965 01:00:33,074 --> 01:00:35,219 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 966 01:00:49,460 --> 01:00:53,373 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 967 01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:55,498 We labeled it as controversial. 968 01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:59,535 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 969 01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:01,579 At that time, we said... 970 01:01:01,740 --> 01:01:05,494 ..."If the Senator believes we have done violence to his words or pictures..." 971 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:08,048 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 972 01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:11,132 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 973 01:01:11,420 --> 01:01:14,969 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 974 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:18,973 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 975 01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:20,489 We agreed. 976 01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:24,973 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 977 01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,058 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 978 01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:29,812 ...on this particular program. 979 01:01:30,340 --> 01:01:34,128 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 980 01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:41,575 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 981 01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:44,770 ...devoted his program to an attack... 982 01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:47,932 ...on the work of the US Senate Investigating Committee... 983 01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:50,456 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 984 01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:54,730 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 985 01:01:55,180 --> 01:01:56,898 ...and those fighting Communists. 986 01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:01,332 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 987 01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:04,778 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 988 01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:07,253 We are only important... 989 01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:11,459 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 990 01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:16,416 Now ordinarily, I wouldn't take time out from the important work at hand... 991 01:02:17,140 --> 01:02:18,334 ...to answer Murrow. 992 01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:20,299 However, in this case... 993 01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:24,009 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 994 01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:25,775 ...the leader... 995 01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:30,975 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 996 01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:35,259 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 997 01:02:36,380 --> 01:02:38,257 And I am compelled by the fact... 998 01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:41,049 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 999 01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:44,054 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 1000 01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:47,976 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 1001 01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:52,052 For example, the Institute of International Education... 1002 01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:54,410 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 1003 01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:57,813 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 1004 01:02:58,180 --> 01:02:59,772 ...by a Soviet agency... 1005 01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:06,059 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 1006 01:03:06,940 --> 01:03:10,455 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 1007 01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:12,974 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 1008 01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:15,733 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 1009 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:18,689 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 1010 01:03:18,860 --> 01:03:22,057 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 1011 01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:26,369 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 1012 01:03:27,660 --> 01:03:31,539 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 1013 01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:35,894 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 1014 01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:41,740 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 1015 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:43,891 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 1016 01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:46,331 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1017 01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:48,935 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 1018 01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:52,576 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 1019 01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:54,099 And I want to assure you... 1020 01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:58,058 ...that I will not be deterred... 1021 01:03:58,780 --> 01:04:04,377 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1022 01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:08,928 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 1023 01:04:11,020 --> 01:04:14,012 And I make no claim to leadership. 1024 01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:17,733 In complete humility... 1025 01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:23,459 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 1026 01:04:24,140 --> 01:04:25,698 ...to join with me. 1027 01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:54,611 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1028 01:04:55,420 --> 01:04:58,139 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 1029 01:04:58,420 --> 01:05:02,698 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 1030 01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:06,657 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1031 01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:08,059 [... since 1888...] 1032 01:05:08,380 --> 01:05:12,055 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 1033 01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:16,579 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 1034 01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:20,695 [The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 1035 01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:24,570 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 1036 01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:27,449 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 1037 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:29,929 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 1038 01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:31,533 ...in our report of March 9th. 1039 01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:34,896 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 1040 01:05:34,980 --> 01:05:37,619 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1041 01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:40,889 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 1042 01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:45,417 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 1043 01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:47,929 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 1044 01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:50,614 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1045 01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:52,898 I fully expected this treatment. 1046 01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:56,970 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 1047 01:05:57,060 --> 01:06:00,416 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1048 01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:02,452 His proposition is very simple: 1049 01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:06,136 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 1050 01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:07,693 ...must be a Communist. 1051 01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:11,975 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1052 01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:16,090 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 1053 01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:18,171 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1054 01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:21,457 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1055 01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:22,655 That is false. 1056 01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:26,855 I was never a member of the IWW, never applied for membership. 1057 01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:30,408 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 1058 01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:33,412 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1059 01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:34,535 That's true. 1060 01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:38,130 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 1061 01:06:39,140 --> 01:06:40,778 He was a civilized individual... 1062 01:06:40,860 --> 01:06:43,977 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 1063 01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:46,779 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 1064 01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:49,330 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1065 01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:52,609 Laski, as he makes clear in the introduction... 1066 01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:56,010 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 1067 01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:59,775 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 1068 01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:01,898 And the dedication so reads. 1069 01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:05,775 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 1070 01:07:06,220 --> 01:07:09,690 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 1071 01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:12,897 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 1072 01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:15,414 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 1073 01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:18,648 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 1074 01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:21,409 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 1075 01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:25,932 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 1076 01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:28,132 ...but in the area of ideas. 1077 01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:32,860 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 1078 01:07:33,220 --> 01:07:36,815 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 1079 01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:39,209 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1080 01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:43,330 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 1081 01:07:43,420 --> 01:07:45,934 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1082 01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:49,295 Having searched my conscience and my files... 1083 01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:52,292 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 1084 01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:55,372 ...but I have attempted to pursue the truth with diligence... 1085 01:07:55,460 --> 01:07:56,529 ...and to report it... 1086 01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:59,578 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 1087 01:07:59,660 --> 01:08:03,050 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1088 01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:07,939 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 1089 01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:10,332 Good night, and good luck. 1090 01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:21,369 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 1091 01:08:21,460 --> 01:08:23,655 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1092 01:08:23,740 --> 01:08:26,334 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 1093 01:08:26,420 --> 01:08:29,093 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 1094 01:08:29,180 --> 01:08:32,536 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 1095 01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:35,848 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1096 01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:37,931 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 1097 01:08:38,540 --> 01:08:41,100 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 1098 01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:42,693 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1099 01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:44,729 What? 1100 01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:48,330 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1101 01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:51,651 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 1102 01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:55,619 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1103 01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:58,897 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1104 01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:00,698 - Really? - What happened? 1105 01:09:00,860 --> 01:09:03,613 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 1106 01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:05,133 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 1107 01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:06,938 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1108 01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:09,776 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 1109 01:09:09,860 --> 01:09:11,771 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 1110 01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:14,499 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 1111 01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:18,289 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 1112 01:09:21,460 --> 01:09:24,850 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1113 01:09:24,940 --> 01:09:27,249 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 1114 01:09:27,340 --> 01:09:29,092 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1115 01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:33,089 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk to Thompson. 1116 01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:36,973 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1117 01:09:37,820 --> 01:09:40,653 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1118 01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:43,811 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 1119 01:09:45,580 --> 01:09:51,928 - 74, 76, 47. Thank you. - Murrayville 3, 1-2-7-6. 1120 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:14,132 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1121 01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:18,008 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 1122 01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:23,535 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 1123 01:10:24,860 --> 01:10:27,977 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 1124 01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:30,530 ...and questionable new methods considered... 1125 01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:35,978 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 1126 01:12:06,340 --> 01:12:08,296 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1127 01:12:10,460 --> 01:12:14,214 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 1128 01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:17,255 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1129 01:12:17,620 --> 01:12:20,134 ...but no one ever called it anything but honest. 1130 01:12:20,540 --> 01:12:24,169 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 1131 01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,375 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now". 1132 01:12:28,060 --> 01:12:30,779 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 1133 01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:34,054 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1134 01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:37,088 The police said it was suicide... gas. 1135 01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:39,968 Not much of an obit. 1136 01:12:40,420 --> 01:12:43,457 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 1137 01:12:44,460 --> 01:12:46,894 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1138 01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:49,538 Good night, and good luck. 1139 01:12:54,940 --> 01:12:56,976 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 1140 01:12:58,020 --> 01:12:59,453 What time is your train? 1141 01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:01,455 8:00. 1142 01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:05,448 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 1143 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,249 Here's a thought. 1144 01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:18,339 What if we're wrong? 1145 01:13:20,900 --> 01:13:22,094 We're not wrong. 1146 01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:25,378 We're not going to look back... 1147 01:13:27,340 --> 01:13:29,376 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 1148 01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:36,820 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1149 01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:41,176 Argument could be made, "for the greater good". 1150 01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:45,934 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1151 01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:48,899 It's just a thought. 1152 01:13:55,340 --> 01:13:59,891 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1153 01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:02,448 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1154 01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:06,335 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1155 01:14:06,420 --> 01:14:08,934 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 1156 01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:12,058 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1157 01:14:12,460 --> 01:14:17,693 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 1158 01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:21,410 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1159 01:14:21,620 --> 01:14:26,535 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1160 01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:30,734 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1161 01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:34,216 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 1162 01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:37,929 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1163 01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:41,337 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1164 01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:44,970 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1165 01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:50,260 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 1166 01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:53,252 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 1167 01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:56,935 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 1168 01:14:57,220 --> 01:14:59,814 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1169 01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:01,219 I think no comment. 1170 01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:07,931 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I can't write about it. 1171 01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:10,329 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 1172 01:15:10,420 --> 01:15:13,457 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1173 01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:15,218 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 1174 01:15:15,340 --> 01:15:16,295 You, too. 1175 01:15:26,180 --> 01:15:27,215 Close the door. 1176 01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:31,375 Have a seat. 1177 01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:37,852 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1178 01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:41,458 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 1179 01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:43,576 ...that no two employees can be married. 1180 01:15:46,260 --> 01:15:49,536 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1181 01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:51,292 I want you to consider it. 1182 01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:54,012 I know you two are married. 1183 01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:57,089 Everyone knows. 1184 01:15:58,220 --> 01:15:59,448 That's not my question. 1185 01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:02,778 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1186 01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:05,579 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1187 01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:08,378 I wanted you to know that... 1188 01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:11,413 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 1189 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:17,209 I'm asking you to consider making this decision a little easier. 1190 01:16:19,460 --> 01:16:21,052 I don't need an answer now. 1191 01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:24,496 Just think about it. 1192 01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:27,055 Good. 1193 01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:39,694 - Well, Joe... - Well? 1194 01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:43,172 - Sure we're gonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 1195 01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:48,894 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 1196 01:16:51,420 --> 01:16:52,648 Mrs. Wershba... 1197 01:16:55,420 --> 01:16:56,535 Everybody knew. 1198 01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:07,097 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 1199 01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:09,933 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1200 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:26,089 Uh-oh! 1201 01:17:29,380 --> 01:17:32,690 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1202 01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:35,290 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 1203 01:17:35,380 --> 01:17:36,699 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1204 01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:39,248 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 1205 01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:41,171 Fred, you're speaking beyond your competence. 1206 01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:43,569 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1207 01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:47,209 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 80,000 in sponsors... 1208 01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:49,416 ...and it costs one-third of what you do. 1209 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:52,378 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1210 01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:55,770 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1211 01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:58,658 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 1212 01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:01,129 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 1213 01:18:02,780 --> 01:18:05,738 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1214 01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:09,933 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1215 01:18:10,020 --> 01:18:12,329 The content of what we're doing is more important... 1216 01:18:12,420 --> 01:18:15,651 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you're doing, Ed. Not me. 1217 01:18:15,740 --> 01:18:16,809 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1218 01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:21,014 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 1219 01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:22,169 You wouldn't know it. 1220 01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:28,456 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 1221 01:18:29,380 --> 01:18:33,612 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1222 01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:35,698 I fight to keep the license... 1223 01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,011 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 1224 01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:43,935 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 1225 01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:48,252 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1226 01:18:49,340 --> 01:18:51,171 I would argue that this network... 1227 01:18:52,380 --> 01:18:55,292 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1228 01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:59,259 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1229 01:18:59,340 --> 01:19:02,377 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 1230 01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:09,774 Let me ask you this: 1231 01:19:11,420 --> 01:19:13,138 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1232 01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:16,132 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1233 01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:19,855 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 1234 01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:23,572 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1235 01:19:23,660 --> 01:19:26,379 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1236 01:19:30,220 --> 01:19:31,858 What do you want to do, Bill? 1237 01:19:35,700 --> 01:19:38,533 I'm taking your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1238 01:19:38,620 --> 01:19:41,976 And it won't be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1239 01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:44,855 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 1240 01:19:48,220 --> 01:19:50,415 - How many episodes? - 5. 1241 01:19:53,060 --> 01:19:54,891 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1242 01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:57,295 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1243 01:20:01,580 --> 01:20:02,899 You owe me 5 shows. 1244 01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:15,014 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 1245 01:20:15,180 --> 01:20:17,250 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1246 01:20:31,380 --> 01:20:33,610 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1247 01:20:39,580 --> 01:20:42,777 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 1248 01:20:42,940 --> 01:20:45,852 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1249 01:20:48,860 --> 01:20:52,136 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1250 01:20:52,220 --> 01:20:55,292 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 1251 01:20:55,620 --> 01:20:59,659 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1252 01:21:09,860 --> 01:21:11,976 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1253 01:21:15,820 --> 01:21:18,618 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1254 01:21:18,700 --> 01:21:20,577 See, you should have worn a dress! 1255 01:21:22,220 --> 01:21:24,734 - How does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 1256 01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:28,174 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 1257 01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:30,216 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 1258 01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:32,973 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 1259 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:34,819 ...man can walk upright. 1260 01:21:37,420 --> 01:21:39,570 No matter who he is or who she is. 1261 01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:44,208 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1262 01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:47,972 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1263 01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:50,970 ...may be in a position of great power... 1264 01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:56,496 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1265 01:21:57,980 --> 01:22:01,336 ...to rot there without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1266 01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:06,258 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1267 01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:10,132 I began by saying that our history will be what we make it. 1268 01:22:10,860 --> 01:22:12,339 If we go on as we are... 1269 01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:16,056 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 1270 01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:17,493 ...in catching up with us. 1271 01:22:18,940 --> 01:22:22,774 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1272 01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:27,410 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 1273 01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:29,650 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1274 01:22:29,740 --> 01:22:33,369 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1275 01:22:33,460 --> 01:22:36,736 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 1276 01:22:36,820 --> 01:22:40,938 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 1277 01:22:41,860 --> 01:22:45,250 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1278 01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:48,612 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1279 01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:50,335 Would anything happen... 1280 01:22:50,420 --> 01:22:54,049 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 1281 01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:57,257 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 1282 01:22:57,340 --> 01:22:59,729 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 1283 01:23:00,460 --> 01:23:03,736 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1284 01:23:03,820 --> 01:23:06,698 "...they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated"... 1285 01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:10,609 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 1286 01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:13,574 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 1287 01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:17,458 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1288 01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:19,213 Because if they are right... 1289 01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:21,256 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 1290 01:23:21,340 --> 01:23:23,774 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 1291 01:23:24,460 --> 01:23:26,257 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1292 01:23:26,340 --> 01:23:29,298 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1293 01:23:30,220 --> 01:23:31,699 This instrument can teach. 1294 01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:34,489 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 1295 01:23:35,140 --> 01:23:39,053 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 1296 01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:40,493 ...towards those ends. 1297 01:23:41,860 --> 01:23:44,328 Otherwise, it is merely wires and lights... 1298 01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:46,135 ...in a box. 1299 01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:51,455 Good night, and good luck.