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Welcome to the commentary track
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for A Pigeon Sat on a Branch
Reflecting on Existence.
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I'm joined by the filmmaker
- Roy Andersson.
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Thank you.
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I have to say that this first scene
reminded me of my school field trips
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to the Natural History Museum
in Gothenburg, with its famous whale.
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-Do you also have those memories?
-Oh yes, they are indelible.
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-The whale in Gothenburg...
-And the elephant.
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You also had these Siamese twins
in a glass jar.
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An entire cabinet
with all kinds of obscure stuff.
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They actually had a cafeteria
inside the whale.
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I've been there. I'm a bit younger
than you, but I've been there.
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It's only open on election day.
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We don't have a whale here, but
we have a pigeon that's reflecting...
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I want to ask about the title.
We have to explain that.
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I've said it before.
I was inspired by a painting by Bruegel.
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He was a Flemish painter
in the 16th or 177th century.
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He painted peasant life in Flanders
during that time.
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There's this one painting
where a group of hunters
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are returning from a hunt,
having searched for game.
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They return home, having failed.
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They get back to their village
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and up in the trees,
there are these birds.
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Not pigeons, but birds observing
what the village people are doing.
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I thought it was amazing.
They're not pigeons, but rather corvids.
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But that doesn't matter.
There are birds in the trees,
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looking down on people
returning from a failed hunt.
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You see people preparing things.
It looks like it's springtime
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and they're preparing for winter.
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Flemish peasant life,
precisely painted by Bruegel.
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It doesn't say "about the difficulty of
being human", just "about being human",
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but you've often made it seem
like it's difficult to be human.
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Yeah...
I actually had an actor say the line:
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"It's not easy being human." I'll stick
to that. It's not easy being human.
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But not difficult, either?
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If you try to weigh
what's difficult against what's easy,
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I think the difficulties
pose the heaviest burden.
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There are fewer easy moments
than difficult moments, unfortunately.
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This feels almost like
a pre-movie in the movie.
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You have
these three scenes about death.
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ls that something you think more
and more about as you grow older?
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Do you contemplate death?
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Yes, to be honest, I'm starting
to think about it, more than before.
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It's not something
you think about when you're younger.
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But it's creeping ever closer now.
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There's this poem,
I think by Birger Sjoberg.
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"You've come at last,
the minute of death."
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That minute is getting closer.
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But it doesn't scare me anymore.
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If you've lived a reasonably full life,
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you should be grateful for that.
I'm not afraid of leaving this life.
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It could be very dull in the long run.
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Who wants to live forever?
Freddie Mercury sang that.
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I've even had this notion that the worst
punishment would be to live forever.
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It may sound harsh, but living forever
is about the worst thing imaginable.
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Well... Tell me...
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It sounds absurd, but it's true.
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There's something familiar here,
looking at your amazing sceneries
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and the sometimes pale people.
These ones aren't all that pale,
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but this is a scene
that seems very familiar.
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And...
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There's something here...
I don't know if it's sibling rivalry.
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You also get a sense of greed here.
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ls this something
you've experienced yourself?
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Yeah...
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A family member is ill
and you're coming to visit.
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I don't know if it's particularly Swedish.
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I hope it's universal, visiting
a family member close to death.
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The mother of these three siblings
is close to death.
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She got the daughter
to bring her purse,
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which contains jewelry and some...
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-Jewelry...
-And money.
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It's not like the brothers
are jealous of their sister.
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They're afraid the staff will steal things.
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"We can't leave this here.
It's SEK 770,000 in an envelope."
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Cash from selling her car.
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Then there are some
cuff links and gold buttons.
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It's mainly that they're
suspicious of the staff.
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They're not squabbling
over the valuables in the purse,
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but I like this scene...
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It's one of the few scenes
that needed a re-shoot.
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It didn't turn out right,
but now it's great.
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I was thinking...
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You often do re-shoots,
you're a perfectionist and all that.
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It's often the little things that make
you say: "No good, let's do it again".
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What can make me unhappy
is often the timing,
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when you get the lines
at the wrong time.
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They're really into the scene here,
and that's when you get the lines right.
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If not, you can get it all wrong.
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The kind of humor you have
in this somewhat grotesque scene
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really depends on the timing being right.
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I love this.
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"Mom, you'll also get into heaven.
You've been nice, just like Dad."
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"He's waiting for you there."
I think the lines are amazing.
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Then there's this almost bizarre...
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That line is every bit as good as Beckett.
"He's waiting for you."
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It's not how it works.
You'll get new jewelry in heaven.
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You can't take these with you!
It doesn't work like that!
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Amazing lines.
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I'm sorry about praising myself.
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This scene... When I watched it
at a press showing here in Sweden,
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it really brought out laughter.
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How do you come up with
a scene like this?
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A man on a ferry has bought
a shrimp sandwich and a beer.
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Then he has a heart attack and dies.
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And the woman says: "What do we
do with this? It's already paid for."
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How did you think...?
Do you remember this?
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How do you come up with
your tableaux?
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Where do you get things from?
I don't really know.
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I can only say that it's...
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"He's already paid,"
like that's a problem.
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"Someone already paid for this,
what do we do with it now?"
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I really love the awkwardness in life.
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People's awkwardness.
I don't know if it's typical of Gothenburg,
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but the word "awkward"
has a very clear meaning there.
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It's exactly what I wrote here
- "awkwardness".
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I love how it's so very human to
be awkward. "What do we do now?"
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Then we have the man
who gladly takes the beer.
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It's a reflection
of just how greedy Swedes are.
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Swedes have a burning desire
to drink alcohol.
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-A bonus in life.
-Exactly.
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No Swede will pass on the chance
of getting a beer.
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For free!
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I want to ask about the direction.
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I remember
the lady-sawed-in-half scene in Songs.
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How do you handle
your background actors?
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How do you control
a large scene like this?
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As the director, it's my job
to make everyone feel safe.
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I think they do. They trust me.
It's my job to make them trust me.
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I want the best possible result
for everyone and a perfect scene.
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I feel like I have the trust
of everyone in the background.
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We try to make it as good as possible,
and everyone gets it right.
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It's mainly about watching quietly
and not letting their eyes wander.
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Exactly, and if it's wrong,
we'll do it again, until we get it right.
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This is also great...
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There are several recurring characters
in the movie.
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This is one of the saddest.
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I think this is an amazing depiction
of longing for sexual intimacy.
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There's also an element of grief here.
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That's true, and I thought it was...
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I really liked how we made room
for female desires in the movie,
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more than you're used to seeing.
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It could very well have been
a male dance instructor
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fondling the female dancers.
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Here we have a woman getting frisky.
I think it's great.
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You also have the drama of the dance,
adding a charged atmosphere.
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Was that a given
or did it suddenly come to you?
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"Now I know.
I'll make it a flamenco lesson."
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No, the flamenco lesson
has been in my thoughts
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ever since a visit to
La Rochelle in France
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for the premiere
of Songs from the Second Floor.
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I went to La Rochelle for a festival there.
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I went out at night and happened
to overhear a flamenco rehearsal.
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I heard the instructor
demonstrating the steps.
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Then the group would repeat the steps.
I thought it was really beautiful,
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that humans can come up with
dance steps and dance routines.
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It really adds to the richness of life.
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Flamenco... It's amazing.
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So these are people
learning flamenco?
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Yes, they're learning flamenco.
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The fact... It's really lovely.
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She's really an actor,
not a flamenco instructor or dancer,
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but she learned flamenco for this role,
and she was great.
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And he's now a principal dancer
at the Opera,
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and even a principal dancer
at the Bolshoi in Moscow.
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He's actually
one of Europe's foremost dancers.
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It's great having gotten someone
before their career really took off.
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It's great,
and I'm very happy with the scenery.
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-Did you build it here?
-Yes, we built everything here.
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People should really listen to
your earlier commentary tracks,
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but how long did it take
to build this room?
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It took about two-three weeks.
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We often rehearse before the scenery
is done, with the basic idea.
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Then we build it and find the actors.
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Then we rehearse,
film it and tear it down.
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It takes about...
On average, it's one month per scene.
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-One month per scene?
-Yes.
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This took maybe three weeks,
but other scenes took over a month.
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-This is nice.
-Yes, amazing.
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This scene ties things together,
he's coming out here.
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Here we hear the key line in this movie.
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We hear it the first time in this scene
and it's great to hear...
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In You, the Living,
it was "Tomorrow is a new day",
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something that is both promising
and almost terrifying.
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Here it's:
"Nice to hear you're doing well."
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Where does that come from?
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Oh god...it's about being human...
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You go through life not thinking
about how much time you have left.
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Life is full of life and vitality,
and a death struggle at the end.
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I think it's just so beautiful...
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As long as you live, you worry
about family members' health...
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-Well-being.
-Yeah, well-being.
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"Nice to hear you're doing well."
I've said it countless times myself
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and I've heard it from my own family.
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Your kids can be halfway around
the world and you talk on the phone:
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"Nice to hear you're doing well."
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ls it a line that eventually
loses its meaning and worth?
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Yeah...
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It's pretty much like "Hello"
or "How are you?"
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Those are also lines
that have been watered-down,
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but there's still
some kind of substance to it.
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"Nice to hear you're doing well."
I think it's a beautiful line.
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It's a line about caring.
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-And it shouldn't be abused?
-No, but it's okay to say it.
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I'm surprised that people
really took it to heart,
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even in other countries,
like France and Italy.
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"What's up with the line:
'Nice to hear you're doing well'?"
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I didn't really get
what was remarkable about it.
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It's like the most normal line in the world.
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It's just as normal
as "Hello" or "Goodbye".
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It's about saying the lines
in these pictures.
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It's the tension between
the visual moment when it's said
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and having it said
that makes this a quality movie.
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Some people may not get it.
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It's about saying the lines
with these pictures.
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You usually say lines like that
in completely different settings.
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That's the key to this movie.
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You usually have sparse dialogue,
where every word is weighed carefully.
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It sounds like a cliché, but it's true.
You can't miss a single sentence.
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Of course.
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-How are you?
-I shouldn't complain.
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-Some people have it worse.
-That's true.
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Moving on,
this is the first time we meet this duo...
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They remind me a bit of
the Waiting for Godot duo.
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That's right, they're a Godot duo.
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They're like Sancho Panza
or Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy.
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One is from "whine country"
- around Örebro.
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Nobody really gets this.
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It's not until afterwards
you realize this scene is special.
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-But having dialogue behind the pillar...
-Yeah.
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This set is wonderfully nice.
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It's also in the later musical scene.
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Let's talk about this duo,
your main characters.
234
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Have you worked with these before?
235
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They were also in You, the Living.
236
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They had very small roles,
almost like extras.
237
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I thought they were great
and would really work here,
238
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like a Laurel and Hardy duo.
239
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Holger is sitting closest to us.
240
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He's the soft one and cries a lot.
241
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The other one is a tougher character.
242
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You could say that I stole or borrowed
from Laurel and Hardy,
243
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or even from Beckett,
Waiting for Godot.
244
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In Waiting for Godot,
245
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Beckett's characters
talk nonsense for three hours
246
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and every bit of it is interesting.
247
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Here they're also talking nonsense.
Nothing important is said.
248
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We do get a lot of the whiny character
249
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and he's a very pitiful man.
250
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-This is also built here, right?
-Yes.
251
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It's amazing.
252
00:19:24,767 --> 00:19:27,804
Uncle Onetooth.
253
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Here's a... We talked about this.
254
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This military man...
255
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He's also unloved
and someone who doesn't...
256
00:19:45,887 --> 00:19:48,355
-It reminds me of Giliap.
-Oh yes.
257
00:19:48,447 --> 00:19:53,043
The man in Giliap having lunch,
not wanting any calls.
258
00:19:53,127 --> 00:19:57,359
-ls it about human loneliness?
-Of course.
259
00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:02,521
ls it about not being wanted by anyone?
How do we put it?
260
00:20:02,607 --> 00:20:06,043
It's about human loneliness, of course.
261
00:20:08,087 --> 00:20:14,276
He's incredibly lonely,
just like Captain Simonsson in Gillap.
262
00:20:14,367 --> 00:20:18,883
That's also a character that's...
It's about human loneliness.
263
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-ls it important that he's a military man?
-Yes, it's important.
264
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Wearing a uniform
makes people feel safe.
265
00:20:30,247 --> 00:20:36,720
They feel like they belong in society.
They're not left out on their own.
266
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When you're in uniform,
you belong to something.
267
00:20:40,127 --> 00:20:44,643
But he still
can't keep track of his meetings,
268
00:20:44,727 --> 00:20:50,245
even though he's one of the people
in charge of Sweden's defenses.
269
00:20:50,327 --> 00:20:54,161
Still, he can't keep track
of his lunch meetings.
270
00:20:54,247 --> 00:20:58,763
It's important to show that. It's how it is.
271
00:20:58,847 --> 00:21:06,162
We have a very sloppy attitude
when it comes to things like defense.
272
00:21:06,247 --> 00:21:12,004
People expect perfection,
but it's not at all like that.
273
00:21:12,087 --> 00:21:16,922
And in the restaurant,
we can see the flamenco couple.
274
00:21:17,007 --> 00:21:21,683
It's also exciting.
Was it something that just came to you?
275
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This scene is actually different
from all the other scenes.
276
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It's the result of illness.
277
00:21:29,447 --> 00:21:33,679
One of the two salesmen took ill,
278
00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:37,885
so we couldn't do the scene with him
in this setting.
279
00:21:37,967 --> 00:21:40,561
I had to change the script a bit.
280
00:21:40,647 --> 00:21:47,519
It's possible that the changes
made the movie a bit watered-down,
281
00:21:47,607 --> 00:21:52,476
but I saved the day by adding
this dialogue and this situation.
282
00:21:52,567 --> 00:21:54,717
But it wasn't planned from the start.
283
00:21:54,807 --> 00:21:58,322
I'm truly sorry if this
causes problems for you.
284
00:21:58,407 --> 00:22:01,558
I really don't want that.
285
00:22:01,647 --> 00:22:03,558
Thank you.
286
00:22:03,647 --> 00:22:08,118
What's that like for you,
having to disturb your circles?
287
00:22:08,207 --> 00:22:10,118
Did it make you worried?
288
00:22:10,207 --> 00:22:16,885
You just can't lose track of
your concepts or lose focus.
289
00:22:16,967 --> 00:22:23,156
-You need a plan B.
-Yes, and intensity... Yeah...
290
00:22:24,087 --> 00:22:28,126
It was a troublesome situation,
291
00:22:28,207 --> 00:22:30,516
but I think it turned out well.
292
00:22:34,567 --> 00:22:38,879
Here's our duo. They're not exactly jolly,
yet they peddle novelty items.
293
00:22:38,967 --> 00:22:43,836
Again, it's like having your laughter
getting stuck in your throat.
294
00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:50,036
Here he's getting water
to wash down a headache pill,
295
00:22:50,127 --> 00:22:54,917
just as they're there
to peddle novelty items.
296
00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:58,556
They're in the position
of trying to sell things.
297
00:22:58,647 --> 00:23:03,323
He has the upper hand
and they have to accept what he does.
298
00:23:03,407 --> 00:23:06,285
It's the best part of this scene,
299
00:23:06,367 --> 00:23:11,236
when they're waiting for him
to wash down his headache pill.
300
00:23:11,327 --> 00:23:14,285
Then there's this wonderful...
301
00:23:14,367 --> 00:23:18,155
They seem to carry the world
on their shoulders, but they say:
302
00:23:18,247 --> 00:23:22,684
"We want to help people
have a good time."
303
00:23:22,767 --> 00:23:25,440
It's just a sales pitch.
304
00:23:25,527 --> 00:23:29,042
I don't know if they believe it themselves.
305
00:23:29,127 --> 00:23:32,722
You say that to sell your products.
306
00:23:32,807 --> 00:23:36,117
These are two individuals
307
00:23:36,207 --> 00:23:40,917
who live in a flop house in Gothenburg.
308
00:23:41,007 --> 00:23:44,795
That's what I had in mind
for this situation.
309
00:23:44,887 --> 00:23:47,560
A flop house in Gothenburg.
310
00:23:47,647 --> 00:23:54,280
They're either early retirees,
divorced or have drinking problems.
311
00:23:54,367 --> 00:23:58,076
-Lonely, they only have each other.
-They each have a room.
312
00:23:58,167 --> 00:24:02,240
There were plenty of places like that
all over Sweden.
313
00:24:02,327 --> 00:24:08,163
They have a small pension, can barely
live on it and try to do some business.
314
00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:11,045
Their idea is to sell novelty items.
315
00:24:11,127 --> 00:24:14,358
It's pretty good business
if you don't have any resources.
316
00:24:14,447 --> 00:24:21,398
It's cheap to get into the business
since novelty items don't cost much.
317
00:24:21,487 --> 00:24:28,404
It's a pretty safe business.
You can earn enough to get by.
318
00:24:28,487 --> 00:24:33,959
Contrast their looks with them saying:
"It's a great party gag."
319
00:24:34,047 --> 00:24:40,122
They just stand there...
looking incredibly pathetic.
320
00:24:40,207 --> 00:24:42,880
Yeah, but...
321
00:24:42,967 --> 00:24:49,122
People look at them
and call them pathetic,
322
00:24:49,207 --> 00:24:52,597
but they forget to look at themselves.
323
00:24:52,687 --> 00:24:56,566
We could be just as pathetic all the time.
324
00:24:56,647 --> 00:24:58,797
We try to...
325
00:25:02,847 --> 00:25:05,122
Yeah...
326
00:25:07,007 --> 00:25:09,521
No, it's...
327
00:25:09,607 --> 00:25:16,160
What are you trying to achieve
with this movie?
328
00:25:16,247 --> 00:25:23,085
I get that it's a comment
about what it means to be human, but...
329
00:25:23,167 --> 00:25:29,163
ls it also meant to make us feel
like we have to shape up?
330
00:25:29,247 --> 00:25:32,045
Well, it's partly that...
331
00:25:32,127 --> 00:25:36,803
It could also raise the question
of why one should shape up at all.
332
00:25:36,887 --> 00:25:42,917
Life is already
so terribly rich and grand...
333
00:25:43,007 --> 00:25:47,922
It's what is so beautiful
about artistic expressions.
334
00:25:48,007 --> 00:25:53,684
They're constantly
pointing out our ambitions,
335
00:25:53,767 --> 00:26:00,320
our attempts to achieve happiness
and just to survive.
336
00:26:00,407 --> 00:26:06,118
It's amazing to watch these ambitions
through art, and even failures.
337
00:26:06,207 --> 00:26:11,042
It's usually about attempts
to achieve happiness,
338
00:26:11,127 --> 00:26:16,918
but failures are also
very prevalent in art.
339
00:26:17,007 --> 00:26:20,283
But this thing about being human...
340
00:26:20,367 --> 00:26:23,962
The history of art is rife with that topic.
341
00:26:24,047 --> 00:26:30,486
It's about time that we get to show these
kinds of simple situations in a movie,
342
00:26:30,567 --> 00:26:33,035
about what it's like to be human.
343
00:26:33,127 --> 00:26:36,563
He's hard of hearing
and wants another drink.
344
00:26:36,647 --> 00:26:42,836
Why can't we have that in movies?
It's beautiful.
345
00:26:42,927 --> 00:26:50,083
She's polite and decent and raises her
voice to make herself understood.
346
00:26:50,167 --> 00:26:52,920
She also explains
to some other customer:
347
00:26:53,007 --> 00:26:58,764
"He has trouble hearing now. He's been
coming here for close to 100 years."
348
00:26:58,847 --> 00:27:03,204
Then we have
someone in the back saying:
349
00:27:03,287 --> 00:27:08,361
"What would life be like without a drink?"
"Or two," someone says.
350
00:27:08,447 --> 00:27:11,120
"I don't even want to think about it."
351
00:27:12,967 --> 00:27:17,802
It's really nice... This is like Bruegel.
352
00:27:17,887 --> 00:27:22,836
You depict social life.
353
00:27:22,927 --> 00:27:27,637
Here it's Sweden in the 1920s,
354
00:27:27,727 --> 00:27:32,755
and it's similar to Bruegel's paintings
from the 16th century,
355
00:27:32,847 --> 00:27:38,399
when he depicted peasant life.
It inspired me to make this movie.
356
00:27:38,487 --> 00:27:42,400
Now we're moving on to 1943.
357
00:27:42,487 --> 00:27:45,923
This is an amazing musical scene.
358
00:27:46,007 --> 00:27:49,283
-I think so, too.
-It's outstanding.
359
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:56,239
We also have this oldie
about the price of a drink.
360
00:27:56,327 --> 00:27:58,966
Yes, I'm happy with it.
361
00:27:59,047 --> 00:28:02,722
It must have taken
an incredible amount of work.
362
00:28:02,807 --> 00:28:09,519
Yes, but I was really inspired and
this scene didn't seem like a chore.
363
00:28:09,607 --> 00:28:13,156
It went pretty much on autopilot.
364
00:28:13,247 --> 00:28:16,239
1943 is the year I was born.
365
00:28:16,327 --> 00:28:19,444
-It was in the middle of the war.
-Right.
366
00:28:19,527 --> 00:28:25,966
It was actually... My dad was proud
that I was born in 1943.
367
00:28:26,047 --> 00:28:30,563
That's when the Germans
lost the battle of Stalingrad.
368
00:28:30,647 --> 00:28:36,119
So...1943 - Stalingrad.
369
00:28:36,207 --> 00:28:41,759
It was a last hoorah for those
who rooted for the Germans.
370
00:28:41,847 --> 00:28:46,921
In 1943, a lot of sailors and infantrymen
would come to this bar.
371
00:28:47,007 --> 00:28:50,124
They didn't have much money,
372
00:28:50,207 --> 00:28:56,601
but according to legend,
they could get a drink for a kiss.
373
00:28:56,687 --> 00:29:01,636
I think it's embellished,
it probably wasn't that simple.
374
00:29:01,727 --> 00:29:05,606
But...Lame Lotta, who ran this bar,
375
00:29:05,687 --> 00:29:10,602
it's said that she would
trade a drink for a kiss.
376
00:29:10,687 --> 00:29:14,999
Maybe not just a kiss,
maybe more than that.
377
00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:17,601
She's really great here.
378
00:29:17,687 --> 00:29:21,202
She's an opera singer
and can really sing.
379
00:29:21,287 --> 00:29:24,996
She...what can I say?
She carries this scene.
380
00:29:25,087 --> 00:29:29,478
Wonderful drama in the way she acts.
381
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:32,479
And the entire scenery...
382
00:29:32,567 --> 00:29:36,321
I'm very proud of this scene.
383
00:29:36,407 --> 00:29:42,960
It's very appreciated abroad, even if
people can't understand the lyrics.
384
00:29:43,047 --> 00:29:47,325
People from other countries
still find it fascinating.
385
00:29:47,407 --> 00:29:51,400
I was thinking about
the man in the foreground.
386
00:29:52,567 --> 00:29:57,846
He's very present
and your eyes are drawn to him.
387
00:29:57,927 --> 00:30:02,682
Right, but he doesn't
serve much of a function,
388
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:08,125
other than just sitting there
as one of the customers.
389
00:30:08,207 --> 00:30:11,324
There's nothing really special
about his character.
390
00:30:11,407 --> 00:30:15,639
A lot of people think otherwise,
but it wasn't the idea.
391
00:30:15,727 --> 00:30:18,241
He steals a lot of focus.
392
00:30:18,327 --> 00:30:22,923
You need someone in the room
to focus on.
393
00:30:23,007 --> 00:30:27,603
You're always very thorough
with compositions.
394
00:30:27,687 --> 00:30:32,238
-He's there to add balance.
-Absolutely.
395
00:30:32,327 --> 00:30:35,524
Then we have the people in the window.
396
00:30:35,607 --> 00:30:40,522
You often had that
in your old commercials.
397
00:30:40,607 --> 00:30:47,206
Just like us,
they're watching what's going on.
398
00:30:47,287 --> 00:30:51,485
You often include that,
like one of your trademarks.
399
00:30:51,567 --> 00:30:57,517
Ove? This scene is really nice.
Can we have sound?
400
00:30:57,607 --> 00:31:00,997
With kisses are we going to pay
401
00:31:01,087 --> 00:31:05,603
at Lame Lotta's bar in Gothenburg
402
00:31:05,687 --> 00:31:09,726
With kisses are we going to pay
403
00:31:09,807 --> 00:31:13,880
With kisses are we going to pay
404
00:31:13,967 --> 00:31:17,676
With kisses are we going to pay
405
00:31:17,767 --> 00:31:22,079
at Lame Lotta's bar in Gothenburg
406
00:31:23,527 --> 00:31:26,724
Then there's this almost melancholic...
407
00:31:29,847 --> 00:31:32,805
-He's going home.
-Yes.
408
00:31:32,887 --> 00:31:35,242
All alone.
409
00:31:36,567 --> 00:31:39,479
And he needs his coat.
410
00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:43,799
This reminds me of
Gothenburg growing up.
411
00:31:43,887 --> 00:31:47,675
I remember the beer halls,
like Kafé Japan.
412
00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:53,205
I grew up with those
and you must remember them.
413
00:31:53,287 --> 00:31:56,677
Weren't those beer halls
typical of Gothenburg?
414
00:31:56,767 --> 00:31:59,804
You had those everywhere.
415
00:31:59,887 --> 00:32:02,447
I think they only sold pilsner.
416
00:32:02,527 --> 00:32:07,760
You had tile floors and men
would sit there wearing jackets,
417
00:32:07,847 --> 00:32:10,486
sometimes wearing a cap,
drinking pilsner.
418
00:32:10,567 --> 00:32:14,685
There was hardly any alcohol in it, or?
419
00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:20,717
There wasn't a lot of alcohol content
in that beer.
420
00:32:21,767 --> 00:32:25,806
It's amazing,
on the South Side of Stockholm,
421
00:32:25,887 --> 00:32:31,359
two women in their 60s
had one of these cafés.
422
00:32:31,447 --> 00:32:37,204
They sold alcohol
under the counter there.
423
00:32:38,167 --> 00:32:42,604
They got caught when they
were around 60 or 770 years old,
424
00:32:42,687 --> 00:32:45,804
but they'd been doing it for many years.
425
00:32:45,887 --> 00:32:49,596
I really like that.
426
00:32:49,687 --> 00:32:53,043
It's legal now, but back then it wasn't.
427
00:32:53,127 --> 00:32:56,597
I was thinking, pastiness.
428
00:32:56,687 --> 00:33:00,441
ls that typical of Swedes?
You travel a lot with your films.
429
00:33:00,527 --> 00:33:06,557
You have some kind of pasty boredom
in this apartment kitchen.
430
00:33:06,647 --> 00:33:10,799
-Do you see something beautiful here?
-I do.
431
00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:16,966
I don't think they're...
The pastiness is true.
432
00:33:17,047 --> 00:33:20,164
But I don't think it's all that bad here.
433
00:33:21,287 --> 00:33:24,563
They're just very...
434
00:33:24,647 --> 00:33:31,439
They're two survivors who have to
suffer through life a few more years.
435
00:33:31,527 --> 00:33:33,961
And they have kids or...
436
00:33:34,047 --> 00:33:36,515
I find this interesting.
437
00:33:36,607 --> 00:33:40,122
There's an almost black and white tone
in most scenes.
438
00:33:40,207 --> 00:33:43,438
No paintings on the walls
and it's all gray and white...
439
00:33:43,527 --> 00:33:49,397
Then you have these short...
Like the light at the end of a tunnel.
440
00:33:49,487 --> 00:33:53,685
You have these girls...
It feels like a different color scheme
441
00:33:53,767 --> 00:33:57,237
and two young girls
with their lives in front of them
442
00:33:57,327 --> 00:34:01,525
are doing what I did, what my kids did
and what other people's kids will do.
443
00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:05,964
I think my movies are life-affirming,
even if you find them pitch-black.
444
00:34:06,047 --> 00:34:10,165
I'll try to make them
a bit less pitch-black.
445
00:34:10,247 --> 00:34:17,244
I really love this. There's also
a later scene, and it's a nice change.
446
00:34:17,327 --> 00:34:21,923
Colorful and lively
in the middle of all the dark stuff.
447
00:34:22,007 --> 00:34:25,204
You were surprised when I told you,
448
00:34:25,287 --> 00:34:28,199
but I see this
as the darkest part of the trilogy.
449
00:34:28,287 --> 00:34:30,721
-This scene?
-Pigeon.
450
00:34:30,807 --> 00:34:34,083
-This is also a very sad scene.
-Oh yes.
451
00:34:34,167 --> 00:34:37,921
Our duo is trying to collect money.
452
00:34:38,007 --> 00:34:43,081
She's sobbing, the child is playing
and the man is hiding.
453
00:34:43,167 --> 00:34:45,965
Yeah...
454
00:34:46,047 --> 00:34:52,759
Yes, it's sad,
but I've also seen it as comical.
455
00:34:52,847 --> 00:34:54,644
But...
456
00:34:54,727 --> 00:34:58,356
You insert comedy in this,
457
00:34:58,447 --> 00:35:04,716
but the laughter gets stuck in your throat
and you recognize that it's serious.
458
00:35:06,407 --> 00:35:08,637
So you don't think...?
459
00:35:08,727 --> 00:35:12,515
Do you think of Pigeon
as being like the other two,
460
00:35:12,607 --> 00:35:16,520
Living and Songs...?
461
00:35:16,607 --> 00:35:20,725
You don't see this as being darker?
462
00:35:20,807 --> 00:35:23,958
No, I don't think so.
For me, this scene...
463
00:35:24,047 --> 00:35:29,917
One of the reasons for this scene
is to have him hide under a blanket.
464
00:35:30,007 --> 00:35:35,206
"I don't have any money."
"I don't have any money."
465
00:35:35,287 --> 00:35:41,237
It's a recurring theme in a lot
of my movies, including this one.
466
00:35:41,327 --> 00:35:46,276
"I don't have any money."
Of course it's funny that he can't pay.
467
00:35:46,367 --> 00:35:51,361
-And he hides under a blanket.
-Yes, it's very funny.
468
00:35:51,447 --> 00:35:55,599
But I still feel like
there's a darker vein
469
00:35:55,687 --> 00:36:00,078
that permeates Pigeon,
the entire movie.
470
00:36:02,007 --> 00:36:07,240
That's interesting. I didn't feel that way,
but I know that several people did.
471
00:36:07,327 --> 00:36:10,399
They see it as darker than the others.
472
00:36:10,487 --> 00:36:15,880
It also makes it
very gripping and powerful.
473
00:36:17,487 --> 00:36:19,955
Here I was thinking...
474
00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:24,837
What was it like to direct these children,
like this girl?
475
00:36:24,927 --> 00:36:27,202
Was it hard to work with...?
476
00:36:27,287 --> 00:36:34,523
Children with Down syndrome
are incredibly frank and honest.
477
00:36:34,607 --> 00:36:39,442
It's just so pleasant and positive
to be around them.
478
00:36:39,527 --> 00:36:47,207
I've worked with these children,
or a theater school in Årsta...
479
00:36:47,287 --> 00:36:50,563
...that worked with children
with Down syndrome.
480
00:36:50,647 --> 00:36:54,083
I've been in touch with this school
for many years.
481
00:36:54,167 --> 00:37:00,515
There was also a scene long ago, in
a movie called Something Happened.
482
00:37:00,607 --> 00:37:04,680
The theater pedagogue
was incredibly sympathetic
483
00:37:04,767 --> 00:37:07,281
and helped us with that movie,
back then.
484
00:37:07,367 --> 00:37:11,326
Now we got in touch
with that same group,
485
00:37:11,407 --> 00:37:18,085
and all the parents were okay with
having their children in this scene.
486
00:37:18,167 --> 00:37:20,886
We're very grateful for that.
487
00:37:20,967 --> 00:37:27,486
No other children are as frank
and positive as these children.
488
00:37:27,567 --> 00:37:31,480
It's just amazing to be around them.
489
00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:35,401
-It flew home.
-And then it flew home.
490
00:37:35,487 --> 00:37:38,524
And directing this scene
with these children...?
491
00:37:38,607 --> 00:37:42,805
We had to rehearse a lot
with Vilma standing there.
492
00:37:42,887 --> 00:37:45,640
She was very skeptical at first.
493
00:37:45,727 --> 00:37:52,439
The children weren't meant to run
up on stage, but we had to let it go.
494
00:37:52,527 --> 00:37:57,157
-What was that like for you?
-I was fine with it.
495
00:37:57,247 --> 00:38:02,321
-It feels very spontaneous.
-Yes, and full of vitality.
496
00:38:02,407 --> 00:38:09,324
One girl ran up and bowed.
We should be happy we got that.
497
00:38:09,407 --> 00:38:15,403
Now it's time for a scene
that is completely outstanding.
498
00:38:15,487 --> 00:38:17,637
Yes...
499
00:38:17,727 --> 00:38:21,640
I don't know,
it's really difficult to interpret...
500
00:38:21,727 --> 00:38:25,163
I was thinking like...
501
00:38:25,247 --> 00:38:31,766
It's like a bar in a Hopper...
It's all dreary, lonely souls.
502
00:38:31,847 --> 00:38:35,726
-It feels a bit like Edward Hopper.
-Yes.
503
00:38:35,807 --> 00:38:38,719
The men come in here...
504
00:38:38,807 --> 00:38:45,155
The bartender is being
very unpleasant towards our duo.
505
00:38:45,247 --> 00:38:51,800
Then we get the rest, but I was thinking
about this duo, our anti-heroes.
506
00:38:51,887 --> 00:38:56,881
They're like some sorts of guides...
507
00:38:56,967 --> 00:39:03,566
...in a society with a lot of apathy
and loveless people...
508
00:39:03,647 --> 00:39:06,559
-They guide us through this.
-Yes.
509
00:39:06,647 --> 00:39:10,720
I think they guide us through
something that's pretty normal.
510
00:39:10,807 --> 00:39:14,846
It's not anything spectacular.
511
00:39:14,927 --> 00:39:18,840
What's spectacular
is what we get in a while here.
512
00:39:18,927 --> 00:39:24,638
They're out peddling their products.
They're two losers.
513
00:39:24,727 --> 00:39:29,517
They're early retirees or out of work.
514
00:39:29,607 --> 00:39:34,044
They do this
to supplement their pensions.
515
00:39:34,127 --> 00:39:36,482
-And to have something to do.
-Right.
516
00:39:36,567 --> 00:39:40,446
It could also
be about overcoming boredom.
517
00:39:40,527 --> 00:39:42,995
That, too. Sure.
518
00:39:43,087 --> 00:39:47,877
Their sales pitch is that they
want to help people have a good time,
519
00:39:47,967 --> 00:39:51,039
but they're really
just interested in selling.
520
00:39:52,727 --> 00:39:57,562
How did you think of this scene?
These are our guides through life.
521
00:39:57,647 --> 00:40:05,406
Then you thought: "I know,
let's bring in a Carolean on his horse."
522
00:40:05,487 --> 00:40:10,242
Yeah, but it's actually an old idea.
523
00:40:10,327 --> 00:40:14,081
Look how nicely they enter the shot,
like scouts.
524
00:40:14,167 --> 00:40:18,206
They're great as scouts...
525
00:40:18,287 --> 00:40:21,996
They act just like scouts, riding in there.
526
00:40:22,087 --> 00:40:25,443
-Reconnoitering.
-Just amazing.
527
00:40:25,527 --> 00:40:29,964
-You said it was an old idea?
-Yes, about an anachronism.
528
00:40:30,047 --> 00:40:34,199
I wanted to bring something historical
to our time.
529
00:40:34,287 --> 00:40:37,518
Here it's Charles XII in our time.
530
00:40:39,487 --> 00:40:45,119
Yeah...I can't say why I like it,
but it was time to do it.
531
00:40:45,207 --> 00:40:50,486
It's like I mentioned earlier,
in the middle of the 80s,
532
00:40:50,567 --> 00:40:53,843
I shied away from realism completely.
533
00:40:53,927 --> 00:40:57,761
I found realistic stories
completely uninteresting.
534
00:40:57,847 --> 00:41:02,284
I enjoyed inserting dreams
or anachronisms.
535
00:41:02,367 --> 00:41:05,564
It's a total jumble,
536
00:41:05,647 --> 00:41:10,880
about what we know,
how we live and our history.
537
00:41:10,967 --> 00:41:14,516
All in one great jumble.
538
00:41:14,607 --> 00:41:19,806
Here it's about
the Swedish people's self-image.
539
00:41:19,887 --> 00:41:25,644
We were a great power, Charles XII
did stuff and there are poems about him.
540
00:41:25,727 --> 00:41:28,287
But he was just a loser, really.
541
00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:34,681
He destroyed what his predecessors
had built, Charles X and Charles XI.
542
00:41:34,767 --> 00:41:37,406
Sweden was a great power back then.
543
00:41:37,487 --> 00:41:40,559
Then this fool came to power
and destroyed it all.
544
00:41:40,647 --> 00:41:42,365
No women on the premises!
545
00:41:42,447 --> 00:41:45,519
Here he ejects all the women.
546
00:41:45,607 --> 00:41:49,725
I've gone through
historical documents about this.
547
00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:53,038
He was terrified of women.
548
00:41:53,127 --> 00:41:56,597
He couldn't be
in the same room as women,
549
00:41:56,687 --> 00:42:01,283
and he very much preferred...
550
00:42:02,567 --> 00:42:07,595
While campaigning, he would sleep
in the same tents as his soldiers.
551
00:42:07,687 --> 00:42:12,158
We don't know what that meant,
but it's a fact.
552
00:42:12,247 --> 00:42:18,356
There's really nothing weird about it,
but it's been hushed up.
553
00:42:18,447 --> 00:42:22,156
He's a symbol of a macho ideal,
the warrior king.
554
00:42:22,247 --> 00:42:27,560
That he would have bisexual
or homosexual tendencies
555
00:42:27,647 --> 00:42:30,844
was something
we didn't want to hear about...
556
00:42:30,927 --> 00:42:35,762
I shouldn't say "we", but Swedes...
557
00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:40,557
The Swedish elite didn't want to
hear about it or acknowledge it.
558
00:42:40,647 --> 00:42:42,797
He was supposed to be a macho king.
559
00:42:42,887 --> 00:42:47,677
He's still a statue in Kungsträdgården,
pointing east.
560
00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:50,725
"Let's get the Russians."
561
00:42:50,807 --> 00:42:57,076
It's just so silly. I think they
should tear down that statue.
562
00:42:57,167 --> 00:43:02,480
Oh wow... Let's return to this scene.
Was it difficult to do?
563
00:43:02,567 --> 00:43:07,482
You're using live horses and stuff here.
564
00:43:08,567 --> 00:43:12,321
As a director and filmmaker,
565
00:43:12,407 --> 00:43:16,002
are you worried about things?
566
00:43:16,087 --> 00:43:19,682
Are there scenes
which caused you to lose sleep?
567
00:43:19,767 --> 00:43:21,997
This was difficult.
568
00:43:22,087 --> 00:43:25,875
I was really...
569
00:43:25,967 --> 00:43:31,360
I think I caught some virus
from the horses.
570
00:43:31,447 --> 00:43:34,007
We worked with the horses a long time
571
00:43:34,087 --> 00:43:38,842
and I had a cold
during this entire part of the movie.
572
00:43:38,927 --> 00:43:41,964
But I managed to get through it.
573
00:43:43,327 --> 00:43:47,639
It was amazing. You get used to it.
574
00:43:47,727 --> 00:43:51,959
First you get used to
having four or five horses.
575
00:43:52,047 --> 00:43:56,882
Then you get used to twenty horses,
or even a hundred horses.
576
00:43:56,967 --> 00:44:01,119
Eventually, you get used to
having a hundred soldiers as well.
577
00:44:01,207 --> 00:44:03,596
Yes, then there's this...
578
00:44:03,687 --> 00:44:08,681
Your way of working is a return
to old-school moviemaking,
579
00:44:08,767 --> 00:44:11,076
with a stationary camera...
580
00:44:11,167 --> 00:44:16,321
Here we see you moving it a bit.
The slots on the left disappear.
581
00:44:16,407 --> 00:44:20,764
You have to get the timing just right.
582
00:44:20,847 --> 00:44:25,875
It's a giant scene with horses
and soldiers in the background.
583
00:44:25,967 --> 00:44:29,403
-And no special effects.
-No.
584
00:44:29,487 --> 00:44:33,480
It's all done live on camera
and you have to get it right.
585
00:44:33,567 --> 00:44:36,957
I don't want to disappoint you,
586
00:44:37,047 --> 00:44:41,996
but we did use a technology
called green-screen.
587
00:44:42,087 --> 00:44:46,638
We had about 24 horses to work with.
588
00:44:46,727 --> 00:44:49,195
Here it looks like at least 124.
589
00:44:49,287 --> 00:44:55,362
We were able to shuffle the 24 horses
around and make the line longer.
590
00:44:55,447 --> 00:44:58,996
-It's like a loop.
-Yes, and changed positions.
591
00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:02,557
We were able to add
another go-around.
592
00:45:02,647 --> 00:45:08,404
People think we had the horses circle
the camera, and that would be possible,
593
00:45:08,487 --> 00:45:11,445
but we would have needed ten more.
594
00:45:11,527 --> 00:45:16,442
24 horses were enough,
thanks to the green-screen technology.
595
00:45:16,527 --> 00:45:20,520
We made it look good
and I'm very happy with this.
596
00:45:20,607 --> 00:45:26,637
It's a scene
that you could put on YouTube
597
00:45:26,727 --> 00:45:30,163
and watch it separately.
598
00:45:30,247 --> 00:45:33,205
It has such incredible impact.
599
00:45:33,287 --> 00:45:40,204
Your Charles XII
seems like a weak and boyish man.
600
00:45:40,287 --> 00:45:43,518
How long did it take
to find the right actor?
601
00:45:43,607 --> 00:45:49,204
He's part of a very famous
theater or circus troupe.
602
00:45:49,287 --> 00:45:53,439
It's called Cirkus Cirkor.
He's part of that troupe.
603
00:45:53,527 --> 00:45:59,477
He's really a juggler. He's not
a professional actor, but a performer.
604
00:45:59,567 --> 00:46:05,722
His specialty is juggling,
and he's also an acrobat.
605
00:46:05,807 --> 00:46:08,526
But he's also really good at...
606
00:46:08,607 --> 00:46:14,842
When you do things like that,
you also learn to time your lines.
607
00:46:14,927 --> 00:46:20,843
You don't want to work
with "regular actors".
608
00:46:20,927 --> 00:46:23,680
It's not something I mind,
609
00:46:23,767 --> 00:46:27,476
but there might be
10,000 actors in Sweden
610
00:46:27,567 --> 00:46:30,957
out of ten million Swedes.
611
00:46:31,047 --> 00:46:37,646
You have more to choose from
in the general population.
612
00:46:37,727 --> 00:46:44,121
I try to find people
who I feel are authentic.
613
00:46:44,207 --> 00:46:48,246
It's almost a pre-requisite for humor.
614
00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:53,003
This scene may not
be an example of that,
615
00:46:53,087 --> 00:46:58,844
but it's still my philosophy,
that the authentic is very important.
616
00:46:58,927 --> 00:47:02,886
I'm curious about this scene.
617
00:47:02,967 --> 00:47:07,916
Did you feel like you wanted
to see what you could do
618
00:47:08,007 --> 00:47:12,637
-and test the limits as a director?
-Of course.
619
00:47:12,727 --> 00:47:15,525
It must have been
one of your most difficult scenes.
620
00:47:15,607 --> 00:47:21,716
Yes, when you look
at the direction work here,
621
00:47:21,807 --> 00:47:25,436
I think it's pretty extraordinary.
622
00:47:25,527 --> 00:47:29,759
It took a lot of work to get this scenery.
623
00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:33,601
We had to rehearse
and get the background right.
624
00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:37,475
And even the prelude,
before all the soldiers enter.
625
00:47:37,567 --> 00:47:41,719
It was a monumental task
and I'm happy we pulled it off.
626
00:47:41,807 --> 00:47:46,278
Now we have the infantry
and the pikemen with their pikes.
627
00:47:46,367 --> 00:47:49,040
They sing this song...
628
00:47:49,127 --> 00:47:53,598
It's a really cool scene.
I'm very proud.
629
00:47:53,687 --> 00:47:58,681
You couldn't do this scene
here in your studio.
630
00:47:58,767 --> 00:48:04,160
No, but we did rehearsals here
with the scenery in the foreground,
631
00:48:04,247 --> 00:48:07,125
with the king at the bar counter.
632
00:48:07,207 --> 00:48:13,680
We rehearsed that here
in a primitive version of this set.
633
00:48:13,767 --> 00:48:19,319
We rehearsed the pacing, the lines
634
00:48:19,407 --> 00:48:23,116
and decided
who should portray Charles XII.
635
00:48:23,207 --> 00:48:28,235
I think we tried
seven or eight different Charles XII
636
00:48:28,327 --> 00:48:32,081
and went with this young guy
from Cirkus Cirkor.
637
00:48:32,167 --> 00:48:34,886
I had cast him earlier in a commercial.
638
00:48:34,967 --> 00:48:38,721
Charles XII
has a hundred thousand men
639
00:48:38,807 --> 00:48:43,961
as he marches off
in smoke and macadam
640
00:48:44,567 --> 00:48:49,960
-Here's another more colorful scene.
-Yes.
641
00:48:50,047 --> 00:48:54,484
It's like an interlude
or some kind of transition
642
00:48:54,567 --> 00:48:58,765
before the rest
about what it's like being human.
643
00:48:58,847 --> 00:49:05,685
It's very bright and nice,
a happy mother with her child.
644
00:49:05,767 --> 00:49:08,440
Well, I...
645
00:49:08,527 --> 00:49:14,079
One defining characteristic of my movies
and also my world-view
646
00:49:14,167 --> 00:49:19,525
is the people are terribly exposed
647
00:49:19,607 --> 00:49:24,078
in a harsh and brutal reality.
648
00:49:24,167 --> 00:49:28,126
-This mother and her child...
-But she does seem happy.
649
00:49:28,207 --> 00:49:34,077
Yes, but you can tell that she's not an
important person for those in power.
650
00:49:34,167 --> 00:49:39,400
She's allowed to exist,
but not take up space.
651
00:49:39,487 --> 00:49:43,480
What makes her beautiful
is that she's not very prominent.
652
00:49:43,567 --> 00:49:49,244
This scene is closer to my world-view
and my view of humanity
653
00:49:49,327 --> 00:49:51,841
than many of the other scenes.
654
00:49:51,927 --> 00:49:57,559
The woman just sits there with her child
and kisses its feet.
655
00:49:57,647 --> 00:50:02,402
Now we're at the flop house and...
656
00:50:02,487 --> 00:50:08,039
This is...this man here...
657
00:50:08,127 --> 00:50:13,121
It makes you laugh,
but it's also very sad.
658
00:50:13,207 --> 00:50:17,280
They're looking for our duo here.
659
00:50:17,367 --> 00:50:22,805
I'm really happy with this scenery,
that we built this.
660
00:50:22,887 --> 00:50:26,766
I grew up in downtown Gothenburg.
661
00:50:26,847 --> 00:50:29,839
I lived in Nordstaden the first five years.
662
00:50:29,927 --> 00:50:33,636
There's a flop house there
that looks just like this one.
663
00:50:33,727 --> 00:50:36,605
It's run by the Salvation Army.
664
00:50:36,687 --> 00:50:42,717
My brother lived there for many years.
He had problems with drugs and alcohol.
665
00:50:42,807 --> 00:50:47,562
He's dead now,
but he used to live in a place like this.
666
00:50:47,647 --> 00:50:51,686
I know this environment very well.
667
00:50:51,767 --> 00:50:57,319
I think they're not allowed
to drink alcohol here,
668
00:50:57,407 --> 00:51:04,279
but they live here and try to earn
a little extra peddling novelty items.
669
00:51:04,367 --> 00:51:08,201
The visitors here
are demanding payment.
670
00:51:08,287 --> 00:51:13,839
It's a woman who is aggressive
and not very empathetic.
671
00:51:13,927 --> 00:51:19,206
Her assistant is showing
how much they owe,
672
00:51:19,287 --> 00:51:22,643
or who signed the contract.
673
00:51:22,727 --> 00:51:25,116
This is a good scene.
674
00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:29,485
Here we have real image depth.
675
00:51:31,127 --> 00:51:36,281
-They're standing in the window...
-The scene works on many levels.
676
00:51:36,367 --> 00:51:38,881
They're in the hallway,
which you can't see.
677
00:51:38,967 --> 00:51:40,958
We get to see that later.
678
00:51:41,047 --> 00:51:46,405
Then a man enters, with an accordion.
679
00:51:46,487 --> 00:51:49,445
There he is.
680
00:51:49,527 --> 00:51:52,644
I think this is a bit Russian.
681
00:51:52,727 --> 00:51:57,403
This scene feels like Dostoyevsky.
682
00:51:57,487 --> 00:52:03,722
I would be very happy if people
could see my ambitions here.
683
00:52:03,807 --> 00:52:09,518
It's a Dostoyevsky scene,
with every nook of existence
684
00:52:09,607 --> 00:52:13,680
and every little part
of what it is to be human.
685
00:52:13,767 --> 00:52:19,797
You're poor and live in a flop house,
getting a visit from mid-level collectors.
686
00:52:19,887 --> 00:52:25,439
It makes you think of
perpetrators and victims,
687
00:52:25,527 --> 00:52:30,681
-and being a victim of existence.
-Oh yes.
688
00:52:30,767 --> 00:52:34,396
Yes, it's harsh.
689
00:52:34,487 --> 00:52:38,162
All the things I'm trying to tell here
690
00:52:38,247 --> 00:52:42,445
comes from growing up
on Hisingen in Gothenburg.
691
00:52:42,527 --> 00:52:47,123
Those two characters
are straight from my childhood.
692
00:52:47,207 --> 00:52:52,201
I grew up seeing
a lot of people like them, losers.
693
00:52:52,287 --> 00:52:59,523
They didn't know they were losers,
but you could tell they weren't winners.
694
00:52:59,607 --> 00:53:03,964
-And unloved as well.
-Yes, you could say that.
695
00:53:04,047 --> 00:53:10,361
It's important to feel loved and needed.
Don't you agree?
696
00:53:10,447 --> 00:53:17,398
These are people who are neither,
not based on what we see here.
697
00:53:17,487 --> 00:53:21,765
This is unsentimental and crass.
698
00:53:21,847 --> 00:53:26,875
"Go to sleep now.
You can't talk this loudly this late."
699
00:53:32,327 --> 00:53:35,524
But you still get to laugh at them.
700
00:53:35,607 --> 00:53:39,395
Here's this man again...
701
00:53:39,487 --> 00:53:45,198
He's in uniform, he's important
and he's missed his meetings.
702
00:53:45,287 --> 00:53:51,556
This is great. During this monologue,
he keeps saying the word "naturally".
703
00:53:51,647 --> 00:53:53,922
-Right.
-"Naturally."
704
00:53:54,007 --> 00:53:57,716
-Where did you get that?
-It's just so funny...
705
00:53:57,807 --> 00:54:01,402
He's someone
who is totally lacking in confidence.
706
00:54:01,487 --> 00:54:06,925
He sees himself as a loser
from the very beginning.
707
00:54:07,007 --> 00:54:10,841
"I'll try to do this,
and of course it won't work."
708
00:54:10,927 --> 00:54:15,876
He can taste defeat
from the very beginning.
709
00:54:15,967 --> 00:54:22,042
It's like he's a victim of circumstance.
Nothing is his fault.
710
00:54:22,127 --> 00:54:28,236
But still, don't forget
that he's a lieutenant colonel.
711
00:54:28,327 --> 00:54:32,559
He's one of the people
in charge of Sweden's defenses,
712
00:54:32,647 --> 00:54:39,564
and he can't even keep track
of his lunch meetings.
713
00:54:39,647 --> 00:54:43,162
That's how it really is.
714
00:54:43,247 --> 00:54:48,116
You manage to get humor out of this.
715
00:54:48,207 --> 00:54:52,598
It's serious and tragic,
but there's still humor.
716
00:54:52,687 --> 00:54:55,724
And all the time,
you're waiting for "naturally".
717
00:54:55,807 --> 00:55:01,643
The humor really comes from the two
men listening, when they look at him.
718
00:55:01,727 --> 00:55:05,163
That makes it funny.
719
00:55:05,247 --> 00:55:08,284
Watch this...
720
00:55:08,367 --> 00:55:11,484
But it's also...yes...and these...
721
00:55:13,407 --> 00:55:18,527
We take a break
from the movie magic here.
722
00:55:18,607 --> 00:55:23,886
You have him talk into the camera,
like the barber.
723
00:55:23,967 --> 00:55:28,882
You use that trick here.
724
00:55:28,967 --> 00:55:33,563
He switches between talking to
the people there and into the camera.
725
00:55:33,647 --> 00:55:36,241
It's like we're also there.
726
00:55:38,047 --> 00:55:41,926
I'll use more of that in my next movie.
727
00:55:42,007 --> 00:55:45,397
-Naturally.
-"Naturally."
728
00:55:53,327 --> 00:55:55,887
Are your characters lovable?
729
00:55:55,967 --> 00:56:00,882
This man,
we understand what he's about to do.
730
00:56:00,967 --> 00:56:05,245
They're pathetic or pitiful in a way.
731
00:56:05,327 --> 00:56:10,606
More pitiful than lovable?
There's a fine line there.
732
00:56:10,687 --> 00:56:15,078
Yes, I think so. It's true of us all.
733
00:56:15,167 --> 00:56:19,877
-We're all more pitiful than...
-Lovable.
734
00:56:19,967 --> 00:56:23,562
We're a sad bunch, the lot of us.
735
00:56:23,647 --> 00:56:28,323
One thing steals a lot of attention here,
the painting.
736
00:56:28,407 --> 00:56:30,682
Was it there from the start?
737
00:56:30,767 --> 00:56:36,444
We had it painted to go with the scene.
738
00:56:36,527 --> 00:56:40,486
We wanted a specific motif
in the background.
739
00:56:40,567 --> 00:56:43,559
It's really a simplified Bruno Liljefors.
740
00:56:43,647 --> 00:56:49,005
It emphasized the loneliness
in that fancy office room.
741
00:56:49,087 --> 00:56:53,239
-Dark paneling on the walls.
-And expensive books.
742
00:56:53,327 --> 00:56:55,318
An expensive carpet and chairs.
743
00:56:55,407 --> 00:56:59,958
-Then you toss us over to this.
-Yes.
744
00:57:00,047 --> 00:57:03,517
-And our "whiner".
-Yes.
745
00:57:03,607 --> 00:57:06,440
And a battery-powered record player.
746
00:57:06,527 --> 00:57:10,122
With speakers in the lid.
I remember those.
747
00:57:10,207 --> 00:57:13,244
He's lost his spirit completely
748
00:57:13,327 --> 00:57:18,720
and the other one doesn't know
how to act towards his old friend.
749
00:57:21,207 --> 00:57:23,402
Yeah...
750
00:57:23,487 --> 00:57:29,562
This is just... You were surprised
when I called the movie dark,
751
00:57:29,647 --> 00:57:33,879
but I'll say it again, Pigeon is darker
than the other two movies.
752
00:57:33,967 --> 00:57:36,879
-You think so?
-And I like it.
753
00:57:36,967 --> 00:57:39,800
I won't mention any names,
754
00:57:39,887 --> 00:57:45,041
but there are people close to me
who hate it when everybody dies.
755
00:57:45,127 --> 00:57:50,918
I love kitchen sink realism
that you get in British movies.
756
00:57:51,007 --> 00:57:55,000
I think you also like it
when something gets to you.
757
00:57:55,087 --> 00:57:57,726
This is what sticks.
758
00:57:57,807 --> 00:58:03,325
It's okay to watch movies to be
entertained and escape reality,
759
00:58:03,407 --> 00:58:10,643
but with a Roy Andersson movie,
you get something to sink your teeth in
760
00:58:10,727 --> 00:58:15,198
and something that you carry with you.
761
00:58:15,287 --> 00:58:18,040
Like I said, this is...
762
00:58:18,127 --> 00:58:23,724
You've worked on this trilogy
for many years now.
763
00:58:23,807 --> 00:58:31,521
Have you gotten a more cynical
or darker view of existence?
764
00:58:31,607 --> 00:58:36,965
-Not cynical, I hope.
-I was wrong to say "cynical", but...
765
00:58:37,047 --> 00:58:40,483
I think that it's pretty empathetic,
766
00:58:40,567 --> 00:58:47,006
even though they're far from
how we would like to be described.
767
00:58:47,087 --> 00:58:51,524
-He's listening to this song here.
-Over and over again.
768
00:58:51,607 --> 00:58:57,762
And the other one says: "This
isn't normal. I'm worried about you."
769
00:58:57,847 --> 00:59:00,315
"So am I," he says.
770
00:59:00,407 --> 00:59:02,602
Well...
771
00:59:02,687 --> 00:59:07,602
Like I said, I grew up in this
environment, with flop houses.
772
00:59:07,687 --> 00:59:10,918
It wasn't flop houses then, but later on.
773
00:59:11,007 --> 00:59:17,116
I know a great deal
about people who live in those places.
774
00:59:17,207 --> 00:59:20,756
They're often divorced,
have drinking problems.
775
00:59:20,847 --> 00:59:24,396
They've been in prison and are lonely.
776
00:59:24,487 --> 00:59:27,479
-Outsiders.
-Oh yes.
777
00:59:27,567 --> 00:59:32,118
And just like
in Beckett's Waiting for Godot,
778
00:59:32,207 --> 00:59:36,086
they're also very similar
to the rest of us.
779
00:59:36,167 --> 00:59:41,639
They show the framework
of our existence.
780
00:59:41,727 --> 00:59:46,847
Most of what we talk about
is just nonsense.
781
00:59:46,927 --> 00:59:50,840
In Waiting for Godot,
you have three hours of nonsense,
782
00:59:50,927 --> 00:59:54,556
and it never stops being interesting.
783
00:59:54,647 --> 00:59:58,925
I wrote something here:
Where are we headed?
784
00:59:59,007 --> 01:00:05,116
This might be timeless,
but you're a keen observer of things.
785
01:00:05,207 --> 01:00:11,726
When you watch the news
and read about things here in Sweden,
786
01:00:11,807 --> 01:00:16,722
does it feel like
we're on a downward trajectory?
787
01:00:16,807 --> 01:00:20,436
-No, I just...
-Social safety nets dissolving.
788
01:00:20,527 --> 01:00:26,557
I look at attitudes, how things
are described and how people talk.
789
01:00:26,647 --> 01:00:31,596
It's all lies.
There's no honesty anywhere,
790
01:00:31,687 --> 01:00:34,406
when we describe ourselves,
791
01:00:34,487 --> 01:00:39,720
how things should be, how to be happy
and manage your bank accounts.
792
01:00:39,807 --> 01:00:44,119
It's all a pipe dream
that leads to unhappiness.
793
01:00:44,207 --> 01:00:48,678
Here's a man who is doing
some soul-searching, right?
794
01:00:48,767 --> 01:00:53,761
He could be around 770
and feels he's getting close to death.
795
01:00:53,847 --> 01:00:55,963
He's been unhappy all his life
796
01:00:56,047 --> 01:01:00,563
and now he realizes
it was because he was so stingy.
797
01:01:00,647 --> 01:01:04,765
To me, this is a key line
about our existence.
798
01:01:04,847 --> 01:01:08,999
People are fixated on
their own success and happiness,
799
01:01:09,087 --> 01:01:14,605
thinking it will make them happy,
but it really leads to unhappiness.
800
01:01:14,687 --> 01:01:19,442
That's what I tried
to get out of this scene.
801
01:01:20,367 --> 01:01:25,999
I really wanted to be a writer,
a new Albert Camus.
802
01:01:26,087 --> 01:01:29,124
The Strangeris an amazing novel,
803
01:01:29,207 --> 01:01:35,203
with a scene
that takes place in Tangier, in Algeria.
804
01:01:35,287 --> 01:01:38,597
He's standing in the window, looking out.
805
01:01:38,687 --> 01:01:45,001
His mistress has just left
and he can still smell her perfume.
806
01:01:45,087 --> 01:01:49,877
He's looking out at the people in Tangier,
or maybe Algiers.
807
01:01:49,967 --> 01:01:53,323
That scene stuck with me
when I read it.
808
01:01:53,407 --> 01:01:56,444
This scene is an Albert Camus scene.
809
01:01:56,527 --> 01:02:01,123
It didn't have a woman in
the background, she had already left.
810
01:02:01,207 --> 01:02:07,123
I had the woman stay and I think it's
just as beautiful, or even more beautiful.
811
01:02:07,207 --> 01:02:09,880
Suddenly, we get something
812
01:02:09,967 --> 01:02:14,995
that has a more colorful feel to it.
813
01:02:15,087 --> 01:02:19,842
He looks thoughtful here,
but these are two happy people.
814
01:02:19,927 --> 01:02:22,919
Well, they're two physical people.
815
01:02:23,007 --> 01:02:29,958
My philosophy of life
is that physical intimacy is...
816
01:02:30,047 --> 01:02:33,835
What else is there, really?
817
01:02:33,927 --> 01:02:39,638
It's amazing to have that,
and you need to nurture it.
818
01:02:39,727 --> 01:02:45,484
-Here our maniacs are returning.
-ls this the hangover?
819
01:02:45,567 --> 01:02:49,082
Poor bastards, lured off to war.
820
01:02:50,047 --> 01:02:54,757
It's often the case around the world.
821
01:02:54,847 --> 01:03:00,524
Young men are lured by buzzwords,
they'll be fighting for this or that.
822
01:03:00,607 --> 01:03:04,600
Sometimes it's true,
sometimes it's just bullshit.
823
01:03:05,927 --> 01:03:10,318
But they still get people
to these battlefields.
824
01:03:10,407 --> 01:03:14,320
World War I was the worst one of all,
825
01:03:14,407 --> 01:03:17,877
when they were slaughtered
by the thousands
826
01:03:17,967 --> 01:03:21,755
in Flanders and...yeah.
827
01:03:22,527 --> 01:03:27,043
Now they're returning, and why is that?
828
01:03:27,127 --> 01:03:33,760
They went off to war in front of this bar,
829
01:03:33,847 --> 01:03:38,284
and we see them again.
It's a metaphor, an exaggeration.
830
01:03:38,367 --> 01:03:43,839
It didn't happen like this. Charles XII
didn't return in the 20th century.
831
01:03:43,927 --> 01:03:49,638
This is called an anachronism.
832
01:03:49,727 --> 01:03:56,075
I was thinking about that famous
painting, Charles XII's funeral transport.
833
01:03:56,167 --> 01:03:59,557
I think this is just funny,
834
01:03:59,647 --> 01:04:03,162
depicting Sweden's history this way.
835
01:04:03,247 --> 01:04:08,526
It's a bit troubling for students of history.
836
01:04:08,607 --> 01:04:15,126
"My God, he didn't return from war
at that time,"
837
01:04:15,207 --> 01:04:18,404
"in a modern bar, outside Sundbyberg."
838
01:04:18,487 --> 01:04:23,607
No, but it's about
the Swedish mentality and self-image.
839
01:04:23,687 --> 01:04:27,726
These scenes are about
the Swedish self-image.
840
01:04:27,807 --> 01:04:32,642
The Swedish Empire, Charles XII
and Sweden as a great power.
841
01:04:32,727 --> 01:04:35,844
-Beating one's chest.
-Oh yes.
842
01:04:35,927 --> 01:04:40,682
Then there was defeat and shame.
843
01:04:40,767 --> 01:04:43,645
What's amazing here is...
844
01:04:43,727 --> 01:04:49,802
In the first two movies,
you didn't use this touch.
845
01:04:49,887 --> 01:04:53,357
It's amazing how well it works.
846
01:04:53,447 --> 01:04:56,678
We actually buy this.
847
01:04:56,767 --> 01:05:00,521
This bar looks like something
from the 50s or 60s,
848
01:05:00,607 --> 01:05:05,920
and here we have Charles XII. It's just...
849
01:05:06,007 --> 01:05:09,317
Could you be sure this would work?
850
01:05:09,407 --> 01:05:14,322
I thought so, it works for me.
But I'm a bit disappointed
851
01:05:14,407 --> 01:05:20,801
that it didn't work for the people
who give out Guldbagge Awards.
852
01:05:20,887 --> 01:05:24,516
They couldn't see the quality in this.
853
01:05:24,607 --> 01:05:28,282
I thought that was shockingly bad.
854
01:05:28,367 --> 01:05:32,246
They didn't see the quality in this.
855
01:05:32,327 --> 01:05:37,003
But still,
you got the Golden Lion in Venice.
856
01:05:37,087 --> 01:05:43,356
You felt certain you'd get it.
You knew it's a great movie.
857
01:05:43,447 --> 01:05:48,237
I've been working with this
for so many years.
858
01:05:48,327 --> 01:05:54,323
I can see the quality in direction,
art and images.
859
01:05:54,407 --> 01:06:00,164
Without being conceited,
I can see the quality in this.
860
01:06:00,247 --> 01:06:07,039
It was a bit of a disappointment
that the Guldbagge people didn't see it.
861
01:06:07,127 --> 01:06:11,962
-Does it sting?
-No, it was good in a way.
862
01:06:12,047 --> 01:06:17,917
But they didn't even see
the photo quality, not even that.
863
01:06:18,007 --> 01:06:23,684
It's good that we can reveal
their lack of competence.
864
01:06:23,767 --> 01:06:25,803
It doesn't even matter.
865
01:06:25,887 --> 01:06:31,803
We'll get enormous credit abroad
for this movie.
866
01:06:33,047 --> 01:06:36,164
How long did you work on the script?
867
01:06:36,247 --> 01:06:40,445
Are these ideas you had
when making the other movies?
868
01:06:40,527 --> 01:06:44,406
Did you pull them out
and tried to fit them in?
869
01:06:44,487 --> 01:06:47,285
Or are they from after You, the Living?
870
01:06:47,367 --> 01:06:52,839
Did you write these scenes after
You, the Living, or is it older stuff?
871
01:06:54,327 --> 01:06:57,205
Most of it came later.
872
01:06:57,287 --> 01:07:00,563
Some scenes go back in time.
873
01:07:00,647 --> 01:07:06,802
There's a scene at the end,
from the colonial period,
874
01:07:06,887 --> 01:07:10,436
when the British... We'll get to that.
875
01:07:10,527 --> 01:07:13,246
But otherwise...
876
01:07:15,447 --> 01:07:22,159
No, I think it's mostly stuff
from after You, the Living.
877
01:07:23,767 --> 01:07:28,238
-Here's another happy scene.
-Yes.
878
01:07:30,767 --> 01:07:37,115
A scene like this
is clearly inspired by art history.
879
01:07:37,207 --> 01:07:43,999
There was this French painter
called Millet.
880
01:07:44,087 --> 01:07:48,239
He depicted peasant life
881
01:07:48,327 --> 01:07:53,799
and he did a wonderful painting
of a young peasant couple,
882
01:07:53,887 --> 01:07:57,926
taking a midday nap
in the shadow of a haystack.
883
01:07:58,007 --> 01:08:04,606
You can tell that it's really hot,
so they have to nap in the shade.
884
01:08:04,687 --> 01:08:10,284
It's so hot that the horses and donkeys
in the background are suffering.
885
01:08:10,367 --> 01:08:12,961
But the couple is in the shade.
886
01:08:13,047 --> 01:08:19,964
van Gogh
came about 50 or 770 years later.
887
01:08:20,047 --> 01:08:25,121
He'd seen this painting
and wanted to do one just like it.
888
01:08:25,207 --> 01:08:30,759
He also painted a couple napping
in the shadow of a haystack.
889
01:08:30,847 --> 01:08:35,523
But van Gogh made them look ugly.
890
01:08:35,607 --> 01:08:38,599
It's not beautiful people sleeping.
891
01:08:38,687 --> 01:08:41,406
Their mouths are open...
892
01:08:41,487 --> 01:08:48,040
I really liked how van Gogh
could see the beauty in the situation.
893
01:08:48,127 --> 01:08:52,643
Young people napping
in the shadow of a haystack.
894
01:08:52,727 --> 01:08:54,843
What a beautiful motif.
895
01:08:54,927 --> 01:09:01,002
You could ask all the potentates
around the world,
896
01:09:01,087 --> 01:09:07,276
bank directors, billionaires,
princes and presidents.
897
01:09:07,367 --> 01:09:10,245
Can you imagine
anything more beautiful
898
01:09:10,327 --> 01:09:15,082
than a couple napping
in the shadow of a haystack?
899
01:09:15,167 --> 01:09:18,239
No, I don't think they can
until it's too late.
900
01:09:22,887 --> 01:09:27,881
I have to ask,
where did you shoot this scene?
901
01:09:27,967 --> 01:09:31,118
-We did it here in our studio.
-And the train?
902
01:09:31,207 --> 01:09:34,563
We actually inserted it.
903
01:09:34,647 --> 01:09:38,037
It's one of the few times
where we used effects.
904
01:09:38,127 --> 01:09:43,406
It's actually a model train...
What do you call it?
905
01:09:43,487 --> 01:09:45,842
-Märklin?
-Something like that.
906
01:09:45,927 --> 01:09:49,886
So it's a model train
that's been inserted later?
907
01:09:50,607 --> 01:09:53,121
You can do that with modern technology.
908
01:09:53,207 --> 01:09:59,237
-So you don't mind using that?
-Oh no.
909
01:09:59,327 --> 01:10:04,196
-I'm not orthodox in any way.
-The movie feels very organic...
910
01:10:04,287 --> 01:10:07,006
Yeah, I think so, too.
911
01:10:07,087 --> 01:10:11,797
I'm really happy
we managed to get to train.
912
01:10:11,887 --> 01:10:17,325
So it's all studio work,
with this amazing depth.
913
01:10:19,167 --> 01:10:24,844
And our duo continue
their hopeless journey through life.
914
01:10:24,927 --> 01:10:26,645
Yeah...
915
01:10:26,727 --> 01:10:30,481
This scene made me think of something.
916
01:10:30,567 --> 01:10:36,642
I remember how you built
an entire train platform and train cars
917
01:10:36,727 --> 01:10:41,926
just for a scene about a man
who gets his finger caught in a door.
918
01:10:42,007 --> 01:10:48,446
This time, you've built a kiosk
and an open-air café
919
01:10:48,527 --> 01:10:52,805
just for a woman
who has a pebble in her shoe.
920
01:10:52,887 --> 01:10:56,357
-Isn't that nice?
-It is nice.
921
01:10:56,447 --> 01:10:59,325
I think so. It's so nice.
922
01:10:59,407 --> 01:11:03,116
Then you get humor here.
923
01:11:04,847 --> 01:11:10,797
You fall in love with the girl
trying to get rid of the pebble.
924
01:11:10,887 --> 01:11:13,720
It's just so lovely.
925
01:11:13,807 --> 01:11:18,801
You have this beautiful creature
with something in her shoe.
926
01:11:18,887 --> 01:11:23,199
-He agrees with you...
-Yeah, it's great.
927
01:11:23,287 --> 01:11:27,439
This couple has problems of their own.
928
01:11:27,527 --> 01:11:32,681
I think they look like criminals.
That was the idea.
929
01:11:32,767 --> 01:11:36,601
A criminal couple
who are off in the middle of the day.
930
01:11:38,487 --> 01:11:40,637
Yeah...
931
01:11:40,727 --> 01:11:46,802
We see them sitting here...
932
01:11:46,887 --> 01:11:52,962
Are we supposed
to see them as lonely souls?
933
01:11:53,047 --> 01:11:57,518
Yes... What did I say earlier?
934
01:11:57,607 --> 01:12:03,523
Exposed to the universe.
935
01:12:03,607 --> 01:12:05,996
You're exposed.
936
01:12:07,167 --> 01:12:09,920
Very vulnerable.
937
01:12:10,007 --> 01:12:15,559
Vulnerable, exposed and...
938
01:12:15,647 --> 01:12:18,639
So is there any hope?
939
01:12:18,727 --> 01:12:24,882
Yes, there is hope of being
kind, friendly and empathetic
940
01:12:24,967 --> 01:12:29,836
for as long as you can,
but there's no hope of a happy end.
941
01:12:29,927 --> 01:12:32,441
None of us will get a happy end.
942
01:12:32,527 --> 01:12:36,964
We're all headed for sad endings.
943
01:12:37,047 --> 01:12:41,723
Either we die without knowing it
or we die from illness.
944
01:12:41,807 --> 01:12:47,564
That's not anything optimistic,
but while we still have some life in us,
945
01:12:47,647 --> 01:12:55,076
we should try to be
empathetic and kind.
946
01:12:55,167 --> 01:12:59,797
If not, we'll end up
like the man in the bar who said:
947
01:12:59,887 --> 01:13:03,641
"I've been stingy all my life.
That's why I'm so unhappy."
948
01:13:03,727 --> 01:13:07,242
Poor bastard,
that he didn't realize it earlier.
949
01:13:07,327 --> 01:13:10,319
He's a poor bastard.
950
01:13:10,407 --> 01:13:15,686
There's no defending it,
being totally unaware.
951
01:13:15,767 --> 01:13:22,479
Here is an example of how
you connect many of the scenes.
952
01:13:22,567 --> 01:13:27,004
We remember the flamenco dancer
from that short and powerful scene.
953
01:13:27,087 --> 01:13:30,124
Here's another one.
He doesn't have any messages.
954
01:13:30,207 --> 01:13:36,077
To us, it could just be:
"Okay, nobody called."
955
01:13:36,167 --> 01:13:40,046
But it seems like a death blow for him,
and for her as well.
956
01:13:40,127 --> 01:13:43,836
She isn't wanted by anyone.
957
01:13:43,927 --> 01:13:49,365
He walks around the corner here.
It was the same in the previous scene.
958
01:13:49,447 --> 01:13:52,280
Incredible loneliness.
959
01:13:52,367 --> 01:13:59,284
I wrote something here, how you
depict big things using small things.
960
01:14:00,167 --> 01:14:03,045
When you really understand what it is.
961
01:14:03,127 --> 01:14:08,121
-It's a great shot of the street, Ove.
-Yes.
962
01:14:08,207 --> 01:14:10,926
Here we are in the hallway.
963
01:14:11,007 --> 01:14:14,124
This is just...
964
01:14:14,207 --> 01:14:17,517
-It's the flop house.
-Yeah.
965
01:14:20,367 --> 01:14:26,522
I grew up with Laurel and Hardy.
966
01:14:26,607 --> 01:14:30,486
Oliver Hardy and Stan Laurel.
967
01:14:30,567 --> 01:14:34,640
To me, they are
the saddest characters I can think of,
968
01:14:34,727 --> 01:14:38,242
while still being hilarious to watch.
969
01:14:38,327 --> 01:14:42,036
I've tried to be as funny as them.
970
01:14:42,127 --> 01:14:46,166
It's hard to get to that level,
971
01:14:46,247 --> 01:14:51,116
but that's my inspiration, as well as
Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.
972
01:14:51,207 --> 01:14:54,802
Let's talk about Laurel and Hardy.
973
01:14:54,887 --> 01:15:00,166
When I was young, it was just funny
to watch them fall on their butts.
974
01:15:00,247 --> 01:15:02,681
-No...
-You see sadness there?
975
01:15:02,767 --> 01:15:05,645
Oh yes, even back then.
976
01:15:05,727 --> 01:15:10,198
I thought they were very sad,
while being funny.
977
01:15:10,287 --> 01:15:12,960
I'm sorry, Jonathan.
978
01:15:13,767 --> 01:15:15,758
Can you forgive me?
979
01:15:15,847 --> 01:15:22,036
Laurel, the one who cries
all the time, he's lost.
980
01:15:22,127 --> 01:15:25,517
But the fat one, Hardy...
981
01:15:25,607 --> 01:15:30,476
He's always trying
to move up a notch in society.
982
01:15:30,567 --> 01:15:38,076
He tries to please the upper and
middle class, to climb the social ladder...
983
01:15:38,167 --> 01:15:41,318
-Fiddling with his tie...
-Right.
984
01:15:41,407 --> 01:15:44,843
He's a really sad character.
985
01:15:46,887 --> 01:15:50,436
He's really nothing but sad.
986
01:15:52,567 --> 01:15:57,402
These are your anti-heroes,
or your heroes...
987
01:15:57,487 --> 01:16:00,718
That's right.
988
01:16:00,807 --> 01:16:04,595
-Did they turn out like you'd hoped?
-I think so.
989
01:16:04,687 --> 01:16:08,362
-Your sales duo?
-Yes.
990
01:16:09,527 --> 01:16:16,399
The only problem was that
the one we see here got injured.
991
01:16:16,487 --> 01:16:22,278
We had to include that in the scenes,
him having trouble walking.
992
01:16:22,367 --> 01:16:24,927
It wasn't meant to be like that.
993
01:16:25,927 --> 01:16:29,920
There's always someone
laying down the law.
994
01:16:30,007 --> 01:16:34,922
-The voice of authority.
-A reprimand.
995
01:16:36,527 --> 01:16:39,997
It's a great word - reprimand.
996
01:16:40,087 --> 01:16:44,877
In Songs, you also have
a hallway scene with doors.
997
01:16:44,967 --> 01:16:48,596
People looking out or looking in.
998
01:16:51,447 --> 01:16:54,564
-Isn't it quite depressing?
-Sure.
999
01:16:54,647 --> 01:16:58,686
You had lights out at 10 or 11 p.m.
1000
01:16:58,767 --> 01:17:04,364
It's a flop house, not a proper hotel.
You have to toe the line.
1001
01:17:04,447 --> 01:17:08,486
I think they even serve breakfast.
1002
01:17:09,327 --> 01:17:14,720
I haven't lived in a place like this,
but I had a brother who did.
1003
01:17:17,447 --> 01:17:21,406
Here's a self-confident man.
1004
01:17:21,487 --> 01:17:22,966
I feel kind today.
1005
01:17:23,047 --> 01:17:25,641
But he's also a loser.
1006
01:17:25,727 --> 01:17:29,959
I like how you have her make that clear.
1007
01:17:30,047 --> 01:17:36,122
Oh yes.
He doesn't have any authority with her.
1008
01:17:36,207 --> 01:17:41,918
-Watch this...
-She sees him as a poor bastard.
1009
01:17:42,007 --> 01:17:47,798
She works there to earn a living,
but she doesn't respect him at all.
1010
01:17:47,887 --> 01:17:51,004
-Let's not forget...
-It's a great shot.
1011
01:17:51,087 --> 01:17:54,397
-You have an amazing team...
-What a shot!
1012
01:17:54,487 --> 01:17:56,682
They work on your movies.
1013
01:17:56,767 --> 01:18:01,204
Do you have a good working dialogue,
1014
01:18:01,287 --> 01:18:06,645
so that you know
when you're getting things right?
1015
01:18:06,727 --> 01:18:12,199
Do you know anyway,
or do you need to ask if it feels right?
1016
01:18:12,287 --> 01:18:15,836
I have extremely close contact
with the team.
1017
01:18:15,927 --> 01:18:20,443
They help me create these scenes.
1018
01:18:20,527 --> 01:18:25,521
I ask them about almost every detail.
1019
01:18:25,607 --> 01:18:28,201
It's a very collaborative effort,
1020
01:18:28,287 --> 01:18:33,680
even if I'm ultimately responsible
for the whole thing.
1021
01:18:33,767 --> 01:18:37,760
But I get a great deal of help
from the team.
1022
01:18:38,807 --> 01:18:41,116
They're very good.
1023
01:18:41,207 --> 01:18:44,802
A lot of people reacted to this scene.
It's very unpleasant.
1024
01:18:44,887 --> 01:18:49,039
The monkey here,
what's the story there?
1025
01:18:49,127 --> 01:18:52,403
It's actually a robot.
1026
01:18:52,487 --> 01:18:57,083
One of the most expensive things
we had, I think it was SEK 150,000.
1027
01:18:57,167 --> 01:19:01,399
-So it was built for the movie?
-Yes.
1028
01:19:01,487 --> 01:19:03,523
But it was worth it.
1029
01:19:03,607 --> 01:19:10,240
I've spent a lot of time
reading up on animal testing.
1030
01:19:10,327 --> 01:19:13,637
I did work on an AIDS film...
1031
01:19:13,727 --> 01:19:20,041
That's right, the monkey
actually made me think of that film.
1032
01:19:20,127 --> 01:19:26,077
That's why I know a lot about how
animals have been used for testing.
1033
01:19:26,167 --> 01:19:32,481
It's a subject that I know a lot about.
1034
01:19:32,567 --> 01:19:37,846
This is a mild example
of what's been done.
1035
01:19:37,927 --> 01:19:42,921
Humans are horrible when it comes
to exploiting other creatures.
1036
01:19:43,007 --> 01:19:45,521
It said "Homo sapiens" there.
1037
01:19:46,167 --> 01:19:50,240
Now we get to this.
I have to ask about the technical aspect.
1038
01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:55,606
How did you get
this incredible copper cylinder?
1039
01:19:55,687 --> 01:20:01,683
You won't believe it,
but it's actually life-size.
1040
01:20:02,967 --> 01:20:05,561
We made it life-size.
1041
01:20:07,207 --> 01:20:10,882
We did a model of it here in Stockholm.
1042
01:20:10,967 --> 01:20:16,280
The actual...what do you call it?
1043
01:20:16,367 --> 01:20:21,646
The interior was made in Karlstad.
1044
01:20:21,727 --> 01:20:26,323
We had to ship it and finish it in Oslo.
1045
01:20:26,407 --> 01:20:30,798
There was an airplane hangar in Oslo,
1046
01:20:30,887 --> 01:20:33,401
that was available that summer.
1047
01:20:33,487 --> 01:20:37,275
Norway helped finance the movie,
1048
01:20:37,367 --> 01:20:43,237
so it was important that we spent
some of the money in Norway.
1049
01:20:43,327 --> 01:20:46,444
That's why we did that scene in Norway,
in Oslo,
1050
01:20:46,527 --> 01:20:49,121
in the hangar that was available.
1051
01:20:49,207 --> 01:20:53,280
It was at Fornebu, which is closed now.
1052
01:20:53,367 --> 01:20:57,918
And that's where you filmed this,
with this life-size copper cylinder.
1053
01:20:58,007 --> 01:21:04,924
But the background
is actually a miniature set
1054
01:21:05,007 --> 01:21:08,795
which was inserted into the background.
1055
01:21:09,687 --> 01:21:14,442
It's supposed to be a blend
1056
01:21:14,527 --> 01:21:21,717
of African savanna and Scanian willows.
1057
01:21:21,807 --> 01:21:27,564
It's a purposeful blend,
so you don't really know where it is.
1058
01:21:27,647 --> 01:21:32,118
What inspired you to make
this incredible copper model?
1059
01:21:32,207 --> 01:21:35,404
As far as the material,
1060
01:21:35,487 --> 01:21:40,117
I got that from Hieronymus Bosch
and Bruegel.
1061
01:21:40,207 --> 01:21:43,404
They were Flemish painters
in the 16th and 177th century.
1062
01:21:43,487 --> 01:21:48,800
They have all kinds of
weird-looking instruments...
1063
01:21:48,887 --> 01:21:55,440
-Those trumpets...
-I got those from Hieronymus Bosch.
1064
01:21:55,527 --> 01:22:00,282
But the basic idea for doing this
1065
01:22:00,367 --> 01:22:05,316
comes from the Assyrians...
1066
01:22:05,407 --> 01:22:08,763
The Assyrian...what do you call it?
1067
01:22:08,847 --> 01:22:12,078
The Assyrians had a period of greatness
1068
01:22:12,167 --> 01:22:18,686
500 years B.C., in Mesopotamia.
1069
01:22:18,767 --> 01:22:23,045
They were known for being cruel
to vanquished enemies.
1070
01:22:23,127 --> 01:22:26,881
They would design these devices
1071
01:22:26,967 --> 01:22:30,323
where they would torture
vanquished enemies.
1072
01:22:30,407 --> 01:22:37,438
They would scream and the screams
would be made into something else.
1073
01:22:37,527 --> 01:22:43,602
When someone cried out in pain,
you could get the sound of a duck,
1074
01:22:43,687 --> 01:22:47,521
and everyone would laugh at it.
1075
01:22:47,607 --> 01:22:51,885
There's another version
that's almost worse.
1076
01:22:51,967 --> 01:22:57,166
In Sicily, about 500 A.D.,
1077
01:22:57,247 --> 01:23:02,401
a prince or king commissioned
a "brazen bull".
1078
01:23:02,487 --> 01:23:07,038
It's a life-size bull
made from brass plate.
1079
01:23:07,127 --> 01:23:13,236
You would put a person inside the bull
and light a fire underneath it.
1080
01:23:13,327 --> 01:23:20,165
Then the bull would...
You could change out the mouthpiece,
1081
01:23:20,247 --> 01:23:24,877
and either get beautiful music
or the bellowing of a bull.
1082
01:23:24,967 --> 01:23:30,325
This is an example
of human ingenuity, sadism,
1083
01:23:30,407 --> 01:23:33,956
and lack of empathy throughout history.
1084
01:23:34,047 --> 01:23:39,997
I can still feel bad
about this being done to people.
1085
01:23:48,487 --> 01:23:53,277
Here it says "Boliden". Why's that?
1086
01:23:53,367 --> 01:23:56,518
Well, Boliden...
1087
01:23:56,607 --> 01:24:00,646
It's a company that extracts
1088
01:24:00,727 --> 01:24:05,323
precious metals from ore.
1089
01:24:05,407 --> 01:24:09,480
They've been doing it for many years.
1090
01:24:09,567 --> 01:24:16,439
Boliden got started when gold
was discovered around Boliden.
1091
01:24:16,527 --> 01:24:20,202
It's grown to one of
the world's richest companies.
1092
01:24:20,287 --> 01:24:26,237
They extract gold, silver and
all kinds of minerals from Swedish ore.
1093
01:24:26,327 --> 01:24:29,842
Up until a few years ago,
1094
01:24:29,927 --> 01:24:35,877
it was against the law to deposit the slag,
the waste products, outdoors.
1095
01:24:35,967 --> 01:24:42,679
You had these enormous piles
of toxic by-products, slag.
1096
01:24:42,767 --> 01:24:49,718
They had to either process it
or ship it out.
1097
01:24:49,807 --> 01:24:54,927
Boliden's solution
was to pay a Chilean company,
1098
01:24:55,007 --> 01:24:59,956
that would ship it to Chile
and dispose of it.
1099
01:25:00,047 --> 01:25:06,680
Once the Chilean company got paid,
they closed the company in Chile
1100
01:25:06,767 --> 01:25:09,759
and walked away from the problem.
1101
01:25:09,847 --> 01:25:16,559
As a result, you got these giant piles
of slag outside a city in Chile.
1102
01:25:16,647 --> 01:25:22,597
The children there
were fascinated by the material.
1103
01:25:22,687 --> 01:25:26,157
They would play in the material,
1104
01:25:26,247 --> 01:25:30,559
which was softer than sand.
1105
01:25:30,647 --> 01:25:35,198
They ended up getting really sick.
1106
01:25:35,287 --> 01:25:38,245
They got life-long ailments from it.
1107
01:25:38,327 --> 01:25:43,526
The girls would become infertile
or have deformed children.
1108
01:25:43,607 --> 01:25:49,842
800 children ended up
being seriously affected.
1109
01:25:49,927 --> 01:25:54,523
The city in Chile thought
1110
01:25:54,607 --> 01:26:01,365
that Boliden
should help pay for the hospital care
1111
01:26:01,447 --> 01:26:06,043
for the people
who had been seriously injured.
1112
01:26:06,127 --> 01:26:08,402
But Boliden refused.
1113
01:26:08,487 --> 01:26:12,196
They said:
"We sold it to the Chilean company."
1114
01:26:12,287 --> 01:26:17,600
"They got paid and didn't meet their
obligations. We're not responsible."
1115
01:26:17,687 --> 01:26:21,441
"Business is business,
it's not our concern."
1116
01:26:21,527 --> 01:26:25,361
I think that was incredibly cynical.
1117
01:26:25,447 --> 01:26:30,362
During those years,
Boliden had yearly profits
1118
01:26:30,447 --> 01:26:34,520
of at least SEK 1 billion.
1119
01:26:34,607 --> 01:26:38,964
They wouldn't even compensate
the people who got hurt.
1120
01:26:39,047 --> 01:26:41,436
It's just so...
1121
01:26:41,527 --> 01:26:47,318
It's a stain on Swedish businesses
operating around the world.
1122
01:26:47,407 --> 01:26:53,323
It's a stain on humanity
when you act like that.
1123
01:26:53,407 --> 01:26:57,639
They should be held accountable
and be exposed.
1124
01:26:57,727 --> 01:27:00,287
It's not their logo, but their name.
1125
01:27:00,367 --> 01:27:07,000
It's actually not the company name,
but the name of a place - Boliden.
1126
01:27:07,087 --> 01:27:12,445
And it's actually
one of our heroes having a nightmare.
1127
01:27:15,567 --> 01:27:19,719
Just like me,
he feels bad about these things.
1128
01:27:19,807 --> 01:27:23,595
I feel bad about
what has happened throughout history.
1129
01:27:23,687 --> 01:27:28,317
I feel what I call "historical guilt".
1130
01:27:28,407 --> 01:27:31,843
This is an example of historical guilt.
1131
01:27:31,927 --> 01:27:39,038
I think the management of Boliden
won't come to a happy end in life.
1132
01:27:39,127 --> 01:27:43,200
They have this hanging over them.
1133
01:27:43,287 --> 01:27:47,360
They deserve to be unhappy
for the rest of their lives,
1134
01:27:47,447 --> 01:27:51,725
until they make good on this.
It's harsh, but that's how it is.
1135
01:27:51,807 --> 01:27:56,881
We're getting towards the end
and I'm curious about your trilogy.
1136
01:27:56,967 --> 01:28:02,041
What is it supposed to be,
apart from a work of art?
1137
01:28:02,127 --> 01:28:04,357
ls it also a wake-up call
1138
01:28:04,447 --> 01:28:10,317
or just a reflection
on human shortcomings and malice?
1139
01:28:10,407 --> 01:28:16,562
I think that artistic expressions
throughout art history
1140
01:28:16,647 --> 01:28:19,923
are important in and of themselves.
1141
01:28:20,007 --> 01:28:25,286
They arouse respect for humanity,
1142
01:28:25,367 --> 01:28:28,677
but you also have to point things out.
1143
01:28:28,767 --> 01:28:34,399
I think that art
can't be completely apolitical.
1144
01:28:34,487 --> 01:28:40,517
We could see the bourgeoisie
watching people getting cooked.
1145
01:28:40,607 --> 01:28:42,643
Oh yes.
1146
01:28:42,727 --> 01:28:49,565
Art can't separate itself
from moral responsibility.
1147
01:28:49,647 --> 01:28:52,036
Oh no...
1148
01:28:52,127 --> 01:28:58,600
Art is supposed to point out
irresponsible behavior...
1149
01:28:58,687 --> 01:29:04,876
It shouldn't hide things
or cozy up to people.
1150
01:29:04,967 --> 01:29:09,006
I want art to clarify things.
1151
01:29:09,087 --> 01:29:11,965
It should open people's eyes
1152
01:29:12,047 --> 01:29:19,442
to what's important, ugly,
true or not true, immoral or moral.
1153
01:29:19,527 --> 01:29:26,877
Art can do that when it's honest
and unveils the nakedness of man.
1154
01:29:26,967 --> 01:29:31,165
You can just look at...
I'll use a crude example.
1155
01:29:31,247 --> 01:29:35,001
Mona Lisa, Rembrandt's Mona Lisa.
1156
01:29:35,087 --> 01:29:40,081
What's its function in art history?
1157
01:29:40,167 --> 01:29:46,845
Well, it's about
someone having painted this portrait
1158
01:29:46,927 --> 01:29:50,397
so very carefully and beautifully.
1159
01:29:50,487 --> 01:29:55,003
It arouses respect for being human.
1160
01:29:55,087 --> 01:29:59,399
It's about how she's
positioning her hands,
1161
01:29:59,487 --> 01:30:03,765
her hairstyle,
her eyes and facial expression.
1162
01:30:03,847 --> 01:30:06,520
It's just so...
1163
01:30:06,607 --> 01:30:09,644
And you know that existence is fleeting,
1164
01:30:09,727 --> 01:30:14,676
like her beauty
that only lasts a few years.
1165
01:30:14,767 --> 01:30:19,363
It's so beautiful
that it arouses respect for existence.
1166
01:30:19,447 --> 01:30:23,156
It's one of
the most important functions of art,
1167
01:30:23,247 --> 01:30:28,844
to arouse respect for humanity.
1168
01:30:28,927 --> 01:30:34,240
I know I've talked about this before
when we've watched your movies,
1169
01:30:34,327 --> 01:30:37,683
but Elmer Diktonius
had his great saying:
1170
01:30:37,767 --> 01:30:42,682
"If art should numb you, a blow
to the head would be the best art."
1171
01:30:42,767 --> 01:30:45,235
That's well said.
1172
01:30:45,327 --> 01:30:47,841
-It is, right?
-Oh yes.
1173
01:31:04,927 --> 01:31:09,159
This made me think of John Lennon.
I know Dylan is your number 1,
1174
01:31:09,247 --> 01:31:15,117
but it made me think
of Lennon's wonderful lyrics:
1175
01:31:15,207 --> 01:31:19,837
"Life is what happens to you
while you're busy making other plans."
1176
01:31:19,927 --> 01:31:25,684
There's something to that.
It's really a contradiction...
1177
01:31:27,087 --> 01:31:29,920
"Life is what happens to you
while you're busy..."
1178
01:31:30,007 --> 01:31:36,082
He's wondering what day it is
and seems confused.
1179
01:31:36,167 --> 01:31:41,685
He's not on top of things,
but life just moves on.
1180
01:31:41,767 --> 01:31:45,442
It just made me think
of that Lennon quote.
1181
01:31:45,527 --> 01:31:49,281
Maybe I'm wrong, but I like...
1182
01:31:49,367 --> 01:31:53,918
Ove, the picture looks really nice.
1183
01:31:54,007 --> 01:31:58,285
Ove? Did we have
this picture quality before?
1184
01:31:58,367 --> 01:32:02,724
I turned the lights down
and it brought out the contrasts.
1185
01:32:02,807 --> 01:32:05,275
It looks great.
1186
01:32:05,367 --> 01:32:09,758
We've talked about
buying a 4K projector,
1187
01:32:09,847 --> 01:32:13,601
but this looks great as it is.
1188
01:32:13,687 --> 01:32:16,645
When it comes to John Lennon...
1189
01:32:16,727 --> 01:32:21,926
I could quote
a very important poem or phrase,
1190
01:32:22,007 --> 01:32:25,124
which really applies to me.
1191
01:32:25,207 --> 01:32:29,837
"A working class hero
is something to be."
1192
01:32:29,927 --> 01:32:31,918
Yeah...
1193
01:32:32,007 --> 01:32:35,761
"A working class hero
is something to be."
1194
01:32:35,847 --> 01:32:40,045
I think that's... I agree with him.
1195
01:32:42,687 --> 01:32:45,997
It felt a bit like...
1196
01:32:46,087 --> 01:32:52,356
It's like the ending of the movie is...
1197
01:32:52,447 --> 01:32:57,043
There's a bright spot
and something to hope for.
1198
01:32:57,127 --> 01:33:02,076
I hope so.
They look lovely standing there.
1199
01:33:02,167 --> 01:33:07,560
They're just so lovely. It's amazing.
1200
01:33:07,647 --> 01:33:10,684
Then we have this song,
it's a rockabilly song.
1201
01:33:10,767 --> 01:33:13,486
ls it an old favorite of yours?
1202
01:33:13,567 --> 01:33:17,799
Do you know what it is?
It's almost a secret.
1203
01:33:17,887 --> 01:33:22,005
It's the closing music from Viridiana.
1204
01:33:22,087 --> 01:33:25,318
Buñuel's Viridiana.
1205
01:33:26,087 --> 01:33:28,521
It doesn't say that...
1206
01:33:28,607 --> 01:33:33,158
I used it as an homage to Buñuel.
1207
01:33:33,247 --> 01:33:39,117
It's played in the bar before
Charles XII enters, the same song.
1208
01:33:39,207 --> 01:33:44,156
It's an homage to Buñuel's Viridiana.
1209
01:33:44,247 --> 01:33:48,035
-And it's an obscure rockabilly song.
-From the 50s.
1210
01:33:48,127 --> 01:33:51,915
I can't remember the name,
but it's not all that famous.
1211
01:33:52,007 --> 01:33:56,159
It works great here
and it's amazing in Viridiana.
1212
01:33:56,247 --> 01:34:00,638
-I have the box set at home.
-You should watch it.
1213
01:34:00,727 --> 01:34:03,116
I've seen it, a long time ago.
1214
01:34:03,207 --> 01:34:07,280
Let's wrap this up.
This has been amazing.
1215
01:34:07,367 --> 01:34:10,962
We look forward to your next movie,
which is in the works.
1216
01:34:11,047 --> 01:34:15,165
We can add that as a cliffhanger here.
1217
01:34:15,247 --> 01:34:17,920
-Absolutely.
-I'm excited to see it.
1218
01:34:18,007 --> 01:34:21,602
It should be more surprising
than a cliffhanger.
1219
01:34:21,687 --> 01:34:25,600
It should be very, very surprising.
1220
01:34:25,687 --> 01:34:27,917
I think so.
1221
01:34:28,007 --> 01:34:30,316
It's been great.
1222
01:34:30,407 --> 01:34:32,921
-Good enough, Ove?
-Yes.
1223
01:35:42,087 --> 01:35:45,397
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