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[dogs barking]

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[reporter] Have you heard about Kai,
the hitchhiking hatchet hero?

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If you haven't, you will.

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It's the hottest video
on the Internet right now.

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-What do you wanna talk about?
-What happened?

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[reporter] This was not
a typical news story.

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It may have started out as one,

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but it very quickly progressed
into a heck of a lot more.

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I mean, there's no doubt
that day Kai was a hero.

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Everyone around the world
wanted a piece of this kid.

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He could have had anything he wanted.

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I mean, he could have had
the money, the fame.

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But this dude
that I introduced the world to

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went, in the matter of three months,

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from this amazing,
heroic, beautiful person

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to wanted by authorities for murder.

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-So it's a really fucked-up story.
-[phone vibrating]

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He's calling right now.

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-[woman] Who is?
-Kai.

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-Hello?
-[robotic voice] You have a prepaid call.

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You will not be charged for this call.

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This call is from an inmate
at the New Jersey State Prison.

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This call will be monitored and recorded.

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[train clacking on tracks]

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[train horn blares]

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[reporter 2] When we began to hear
about this next story in the newsroom

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a little after 2:00 p.m. this afternoon,

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it sounded very strange.

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And, as KMPH news anchor
Jessob Reisbeck shows us,

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it only got crazier.

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[Jessob] It's February 1st 2013.

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I had been tabbed to report news that day.

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And over the scanner came,

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"There's been a car accident.
It looks pretty bad."

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"There's someone pinned between the car
and a utility vehicle."

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"The driver's yelling crazy things."

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"'I'm Jesus Christ."
"All Black people deserve to die.'"

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Racist things. Terrible things.

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An absolute bizarre scene
here in West Fresno

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at the corner of McKinley and Marks.

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I was a sports anchor and reporter,

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and, for whatever reason,
we were short on news reporters.

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So this was literally
my first day covering news,

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and it turned out to be,

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man, something else.

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A man plows his car into a PG&E worker,

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pinning him against his truck,
because the worker was Black.

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And innocent bystanders
come to the rescue.

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He must have done this on purpose.
Like, he tried to kill this dude.

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My mom ran to the driver
to make sure he was okay

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'cause we thought
maybe it was just an accident.

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He just kept saying he was Jesus Christ

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and he's gonna save all of us and that,
but we have to get…

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He used the N word,
meaning the Black people and that.

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He said we need
to get them off of the earth.

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[Jessob] The driver ends up being
this 6'4", 300-pound huge guy.

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Then he turns to this woman
that tried to come and help

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and starts to physically hurt her,
got her in a bear hug,

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is choking her.

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[barking]

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[Jessob]
All of a sudden, she said the passenger,

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who looked like a hitchhiker,
a homeless guy,

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comes and attacks the driver
and saves her.

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And, as I'm doing this interview,

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I look across this two-lane farm road

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and down walking
on the other side of the road

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was a guy with long hair,
a bandana, a really big backpack,

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and not to stereotype,
but looked like a homeless hitchhiker.

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-Can we talk to you? Do you mind?
-What do you wanna talk about?

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What happened today?

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Well, went straight outta Dogtown.

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Skateboarding, surfing it up…

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The first thing he wanted to do
was send a loving message

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to whoever sees this interview.
It's powerful. It gives me goosebumps.

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He'd been through this crazy,

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what to most people would be
a traumatic situation,

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and he looked right in the camera…

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Before I say anything else, I wanna say

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no matter what you've done,
you deserve respect.

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Even if you make mistakes, you're lovable,

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and it doesn't matter your looks,
skills, or age, size, or anything,

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you're worthwhile. No one can ever
take that away from you. Now…

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He just had such a different perspective

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of what he was supposed
to do in that moment.

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[hitchhiker]
I look over. The guy's pinned there.

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Buddy gets out.
These two women are trying to help him.

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He runs up, and he grabs one of them, man.

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A guy that big can snap a woman's neck
like a pencil stick.

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So I fucking ran up behind him
with a hatchet.

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Smash! Smash! Smash!

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Yeah.

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Who would expect
a hatchet-wielding hitchhiker

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to be coming to save the day?

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I was blown away. Absolutely blown away,

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'cause you looked at him
and he's rough around the edges,

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and then you see

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the treasure he truly was.

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That woman was in danger.

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He just finished, what looked like
at the time, killing somebody.

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If I hadn't done that,
he would've killed more people.

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[woman] Did it strike you as odd
that he had a hatchet?

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Did it-- Not really. I mean, I just--

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You know, I figured being
kind of a homeless transient,

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a hatchet would be a good thing to have,
you know.

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He saw a woman that was in danger.
"I'm gonna help her."

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But how willing and able he was
to use it on another person's skull,

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maybe, yeah. That's kinda shocking.

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[Jessob] How'd you get in his car?
I was… I was hitchhiking.

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Well, good thing I was hitchhiking.

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Yeah, people say, "Don't hitchhike.
This is what happens."

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-Yeah, well, at least I was here.
-[Jessob] Can I get your name?

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-I'm Kai.
-[Jessob] Can I get the spelling for it?

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-Straight outta Dogtown. K-A-I.
-[Jessob] Do you have a last name?

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No, bro. I don't have anything.

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As crazy as things got here,
the best news is,

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somehow, luckily, none of the injuries
suffered are life-threatening,

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and the guy driving that car is
right where he belongs, in police custody.

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In West Fresno,
Jessob Reisbeck, KMPH News.

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After I finished the interview, reporters
from other stations came up to him.

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and said, of course, "Can we talk to you?"

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This guy was
the most charismatic dude ever.

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He's gonna talk to everyone.
He wants everyone to see him.

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For whatever reason, he said, "Nope.
I'm not talking to anyone else," and left.

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And when that happened, I knew.

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Holy shit.
We got something really special now,

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because we're gonna be
the only one with this interview.

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[laughs]

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When you look at a story, any story,
if you're going to tell a story,

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you need a villain,

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you need an unlikely hero,

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you need an amazing scenario,
and you need someone in distress,

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and this had all of that.

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Yeah, it was fucking gnarly, man.

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Holy shit. It was like the biggest wave
I've ever ridden in my life.

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We knew we had gold on our hands.

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That night I decided I wanted the world
to see the entire interview,

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the six-plus minutes of interview,

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because, up until this point,
people had only been able to see

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the minute-and-a-half piece
that I'd put on the news.

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So I put it on YouTube,
I clicked "upload,"

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and then I went to bed.

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I woke up the next morning,
and my world was different.

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It was a game changer in my life,
for sure, just uploading that video.

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I had my own YouTube channel,
and I had about 20 followers.

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And I put it up when I got home,
and I looked at it that night,

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and it's like,
"Oh, it's gotten about 20 hits."

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"That's nice. That's average. Cool."

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Jessob called me the next day.
He's all, "Terry, dude!"

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Just like, "Yeah, Jessob? What?"

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He's like, "Have you seen your video?"

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It's like, "Oh yeah, it was doing good.
I think it was about at 20 or 30 people."

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I thought it was good. He's like,
"Dude, it's at, like, half a million."

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I knew that day

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that Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
was born.

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Now, this stuff right here, I was driving…

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-Smash! Smash! Smash!
-[laughs]

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-Smash!
-Smash!

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He literally has a hatchet in his hand.

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I'm absolutely obsessed with this guy.

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This guy's my fucking hero!

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Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker.

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Fuck yeah.

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Every time you would refresh,

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someone else had taken the video
and reposted it,

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and that had tens
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So it was just literally like a snowball
that rolled and rolled,

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and the Internet just fed into it.

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♪ I'm Kai ♪

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[Jessob] There's dozens and dozens
of different autotunes and different songs.

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It was insane.

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♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪

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I mean, the memes? Gimme a break, dude.
That guy is a walking meme.

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He might have started memes.

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♪ People say, "Don't hitchhike" ♪

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♪ Well, good thing I was hitchhiking ♪

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♪ That woman was in danger ♪

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♪ So I ran up behind him with a hatchet ♪

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♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪

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♪ Yeah, yeah ♪

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♪ If he'd started driving that car again ♪

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♪ There'd be a hell of a lot
Of bodies around here ♪

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♪ Dude, that guy was fucking kooked ♪

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♪ He can snap a woman's neck
Like a pencil stick ♪

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♪ So I started smashing him in the head ♪

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♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪

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Axe-wielding hitchhikers.

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[audience laughs]

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I can't tell you how many times
I've rolled up my windows

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and sped past a hobo sharpening a hatchet.

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When I saw Stephen Colbert do his skit,

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I mean, I didn't watch Colbert
that much until then,

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and then I became
an instant fan of his show. [chuckles]

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For the first time in human history,
people are saying,

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"Boy, we sure are lucky

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that homeless hitchhiker
was carrying a hatchet."

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Kai equalled ratings. It equalled ratings
because he was fresh and interesting.

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People liked him, and ratings equal money.

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So everyone was wanting a piece of him,
to jump on the Kai train, as it were.

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My name is Brad Mulcahy.

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In 2013, I was
the human interest researcher

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for the late-night television show
Jimmy Kimmel Live.

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[announcer]
Ready or not, here's Jimmy Kimmel!

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[Brad]
My job is to find interesting stories

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or interesting clips and bring them
to rehearsal or email them to Jimmy

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or to track down what Jimmy likes.

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Then I try to find that person
to get them on within 36 hours.

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We tend to air things that are funny.

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Leave Britney alone!

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We especially like people who are genuine

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and whose reaction
to something unexpected is genuine.

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And the best example that I can think of
at the moment is Paul Vasquez,

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who was the double rainbow guy.

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So this gentleman is in Yosemite Park,

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and one day in the park,
he's filming a rainbow,

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and as he's filming it,
a second rainbow begins.

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[Paul] Whoa! My God! Oh my God!

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[laughs] Oh my God! Whoo!

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And at that point,
it only had tens of thousands of views.

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And then once we get him on the show,
it went up over 45 million.

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Were you or were you not ingesting
or inhaling some sort of illegal substance

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when you made that--

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Absolutely not.
I was completely sober. In that video.

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The first time I saw the video of Kai,
it was intoxicating,

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not to mention that he did genuinely help
two human beings who were in peril.

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And it was brilliant.

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I went to rehearsal, and I believe
I was told almost immediately,

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"We'd like to see
if you can find that gentleman."

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Hey, buddy! Good boy.

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Who's a good boy, baby?

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Of course everybody wants to be famous,
but who has that "it factor"?

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What is that thing
that is just so mesmerizing

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that you can't take
your eyes off somebody,

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that is, like…
"What are they gonna do next?"

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One of the biggest shows
that I had the privilege of working on

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was Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

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[announcer] Don't miss the season premiere
of The Kardashians.

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And I think the appeal with Kai was,

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most people that are heroes
are not homeless people.

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This was somebody
that came from a different walk of life

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that could just open up new audiences

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and expose people to a different world
that they had never seen.

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And there was something funny about him
and kinda cute and sweet and innocent.

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If anyone's watching this and they got
a Mini Mal that they could lend a guy

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with a wetsuit,
I'd love to test out Mavericks.

245
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He has that "it factor."

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So I wanna find him.

247
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Except how do you find
someone that's homeless?

248
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[gentle guitar music playing]

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[Lisa] Where to start, right?

250
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I mean, wow!

251
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My first move was going onto Facebook,

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and Kai had a profile, so I added him

253
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and sent him a message
that, you know, I wanted to find him

254
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and I was at this production company.

255
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What's step one?

256
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I don't know.

257
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And that's when I called
the Fresno affiliate that aired the clip.

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I speak to Jessob. It's like,
"How do I get in touch with this guy?"

259
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And Jessob, you know, "You can't."

260
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Jessob was the gatekeeper.

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Everyone around the world
wanted a piece of this kid.

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At one point,
I remember deleting my emails.

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Six minutes later,

264
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six minutes, I had, like, 124 emails

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from people in Japan, Australia,

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East Coast, West Coast,

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all the different talk shows
you can imagine.

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I knew they wanted to talk to him,
to be the first person to tell his story.

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But I also knew
I was the only one with his email.

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So I sent him a message,

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and I just told him,

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look, there's all these people that
wanna literally make him rich and famous,

273
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but I wanted to be the first one
before all these opportunities.

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I wanted to tell him
about these opportunities

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in an honest, fair way.

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Subject, "Blowing Up."

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"Hey bro, we'd love to do
an interview with you

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about all the craziness going on around
the Internet and the world about you."

279
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"The people wanna hear from you."

280
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"We'd love to be
the one that brings it to them."

281
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"Hope all is good."

282
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"Stay safe."

283
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Everybody was trying to get a hold of him.
I mean, this was a manhunt.

284
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As this thing is getting bigger
and bigger and bigger,

285
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I knew that I had to talk to him again.
I had to figure out more about him.

286
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I had to tell his story.

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Finally, he used someone's phone
at a gas station and called me.

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I was super stoked.

289
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And then I said, "Where are you,
and when can we come and talk to you?"

290
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And he said something like,
"Oh, well, you know, I'm up in Stockton."

291
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Um, and even my boss said,
"Do whatever you have to do."

292
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"Get the kid a hotel room.
Keep him somewhere so we can talk to him."

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[man] Anytime you're on the road
getting ready to interview somebody,

294
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you get excited. But I think this was
a little bit more excitement

295
00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:06,113
because this is a guy that has gone viral,
that everybody wants a piece of.

296
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But nobody could get a hold of him
except for one person in the entire world.

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And that was Jessob.

298
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[Jessob] The entire drive there,

299
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I was talking to different people,
doing different interviews.

300
00:15:18,459 --> 00:15:22,087
It's nonstop. They're trying to get him.
"I'm going to talk to him."

301
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They wanna know where.
I'm not telling them.

302
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We were driving up to the hotel,

303
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and I'm turning the corner,
and I turn to Jessob. I was like,

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"Isn't that Kai?" Jessob's like…

305
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"There he is. Turn around.
Let's go. We're getting him."

306
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Uh, yeah, let's do this, in three...

307
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Look who it is!
We finally caught up with him.

308
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It is the world sensation,

309
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everybody's friend,
and pretty much a world hero,

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it's Kai.
Kai, let me tell you this real quick.

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You're like Batman,
except for you don't have the Bat-Signal.

312
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You know,
Batman obviously has the spotlight--

313
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And I'm not a filthy rich, spoiled fuck
who looks down on everyone.

314
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[Alex] I think the biggest difference
between seeing him in the viral video

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and being around him in person
was that he was a loose cannon.

316
00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:13,681
I felt like his energy was
just a little bit crazy, you know?

317
00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:15,724
He just had some weird energy around him

318
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that was, like, you didn't know
what he was gonna do next.

319
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-You can bleep that, right?
-That was awesome.

320
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The first one-- Okay…

321
00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:24,274
-[beatboxing]
-[laughing]

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He had such an endearing quality.
There's so much charisma.

323
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I don't know if I've met someone
that has as much charisma as this guy.

324
00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:34,576
This right here is one of my friends.

325
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,078
Her name's Joan Sewitt.

326
00:16:36,161 --> 00:16:37,746
Now, on Saturday here,

327
00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:42,793
some of these, uh… some
of these policy enforcers up on over in…

328
00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:44,044
This is Stockton.

329
00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:46,630
They came on up with her with a gun.

330
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Like, they pulled a gun on her.

331
00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:52,886
That, to me, is fucking ridiculous.
That is a vulgar display of power,

332
00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:55,764
and not in a way that
I think Phil Anselmo would appreciate.

333
00:16:55,848 --> 00:17:00,769
He would fill a cart from a local store
with goods and steal it.

334
00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:03,647
But he would go outside and give it
all away to people that needed it.

335
00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:07,192
So it's like, "Well, shit.
I don't even know how to look at that."

336
00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:10,362
How did it make you feel, though,
being this viral sensation,

337
00:17:10,446 --> 00:17:12,906
being everyone's hero right now, Kai?

338
00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:16,535
I'm not a virus. You kidding me?

339
00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:19,496
Shit, I'm a sensation. I'm Kai.

340
00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:23,375
We did the interview first,
and then we need what's called B-roll.

341
00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:26,754
"So what do you think
would be a good shot of you?"

342
00:17:26,837 --> 00:17:29,798
And he said,
"There's a music shop over here."

343
00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:32,926
"I can grab one of the guitars
and play a song." We're like, "Sweet."

344
00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:35,679
So here's one I wrote.

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[Jessob]
He plays this song, and it was phenomenal.

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00:17:44,938 --> 00:17:47,441
♪ I've never seen a beauty
Like you before ♪

347
00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:49,610
♪ Breathless kisses through the door ♪

348
00:17:49,693 --> 00:17:52,237
♪ You got that shiny light
Of fight in your eyes ♪

349
00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:54,239
♪ You're the sunset
That brings the twilight ♪

350
00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:56,867
♪ Soft, orange kisses, forlorn misses ♪

351
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:58,410
♪ When you leave ♪

352
00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:01,789
♪ Soft, orange kisses, well-worn dresses ♪

353
00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:03,082
♪ That you leave ♪

354
00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:06,168
[Jessob] Performed well, sung well.

355
00:18:06,251 --> 00:18:08,545
The guitar playing was great.

356
00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:10,964
You know,
he even, like, performs it, you know?

357
00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:13,717
At one point,
the song says something like, you know,

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00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:15,052
"Take back your hood,"

359
00:18:15,135 --> 00:18:18,305
and he, like, throws his bandana off
at the perfect time.

360
00:18:19,848 --> 00:18:22,309
♪ Pull back my hood
And kiss me real good ♪

361
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,562
♪ And just move
Get a little bit closer ♪

362
00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:27,731
♪ And pull back, and pull back, you do ♪

363
00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:29,316
♪ And just move ♪

364
00:18:29,399 --> 00:18:33,195
♪ We'll feel this groove
With the loving that we do ♪

365
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:38,117
♪ We'll feel this groove
With the loving that we do, uh ♪

366
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,870
He's a great performer,
and he's talented as heck.

367
00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:46,291
Wow, this is another, you know, aspect
of this guy that's pretty incredible.

368
00:18:46,375 --> 00:18:49,294
He's willing to be a hero
in a dangerous situation.

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00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:51,338
And he's also a really good musician.

370
00:18:51,421 --> 00:18:53,507
-[Jessob] How do you know this guy?
-The Internet, man.

371
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:57,094
He, uh… he hit some guy
with an axe in the head.

372
00:18:57,177 --> 00:18:59,304
He didn't know
the scope of it at that point,

373
00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,307
about how, you know,
big his story had become.

374
00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:03,559
He was starting to see it

375
00:19:03,642 --> 00:19:05,769
because, I mean, people were
already recognizing him

376
00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:08,272
and asking him for pictures
and autographs and stuff like that.

377
00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:09,690
How'd you get up here?

378
00:19:09,773 --> 00:19:11,733
Uh, hitchhiked. [chuckles]

379
00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:13,318
-Sweet.
-Yeah, bro.

380
00:19:13,402 --> 00:19:16,697
-Hope you still have the hatchet.
-No, I don't. They took it from me.

381
00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,574
Oh, we need to get you a new hatchet, sir.

382
00:19:18,657 --> 00:19:22,202
[Jessob] So we finished up filming,
and then I said,

383
00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:24,496
"Do you wanna eat?"
He says, "I'll come and eat."

384
00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:29,084
I just started laying out
the options that he had,

385
00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:32,588
everyone from East Coast to West Coast,
then Jimmy Kimmel,

386
00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:37,092
and the fricking Kardashian producers
wanna give him his own show.

387
00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,803
"Kai, he's trying to say
you're famous now."

388
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:42,890
And you could see the lights
kinda click on in Kai's head,

389
00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:45,225
like, "Whoa, like, I'm famous.
Like, what?"

390
00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:47,895
I mean, there is no bigger brand
than the Kardashians.

391
00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:52,316
I could turn around
and throw a dart and approach anybody

392
00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:56,778
and entice them
to wanna be a reality star.

393
00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:01,033
He could be rich and famous
and do anything he wants

394
00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:02,951
if he wants it.

395
00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:06,663
There were these comment cards
on the table,

396
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:09,082
and they had, like,
a little golf pencil with them.

397
00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:11,585
And he's kind of playing with the pencil
as I'm talking to him.

398
00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:13,545
I'm like, "Kai, are you listening to me?"

399
00:20:13,629 --> 00:20:15,631
"Listen to all these things
I'm telling you."

400
00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:18,592
"This is unbelievable.
You could be an overnight millionaire."

401
00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:21,261
He just continues
to play with this pencil.

402
00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:25,265
He's like, "I kinda just want to go
to the Bay Area and smoke weed."

403
00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:28,268
All of the things in the world
on one side,

404
00:20:28,352 --> 00:20:29,853
smoke weed on the other side.

405
00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,397
This is the fork in the road
we've come to with Kai.

406
00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:34,524
And all of a sudden,
he picks it up, throws it,

407
00:20:34,608 --> 00:20:36,985
and it spins around and it falls,

408
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,737
and he looks at me, and he goes,

409
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,114
"I'm gonna go to the Bay Area
and smoke weed."

410
00:20:41,865 --> 00:20:44,826
"Are you… kidding me right now?
Wait a second."

411
00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,454
"You're telling me
that he is not gonna meet with us

412
00:20:47,537 --> 00:20:49,456
because he spun some pencil?"

413
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,253
I mean, you have to think
if you're Kai, like,

414
00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:55,629
"What do I have to lose?"

415
00:20:55,712 --> 00:20:59,174
"This has to change my life somehow.
Why not?"

416
00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:02,803
"Hey, just go back to him and say

417
00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:06,098
we'll send him
a whole limo filled with weed."

418
00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:10,102
"Look, dude, here's their counter-offer."

419
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,437
Kai said, "Okay."

420
00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,565
Alex and I jump in our news vehicle,

421
00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:18,986
and we head back to Fresno
with the story that we got.

422
00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:22,781
KMPH is still the only TV station
in the world to talk to Kai,

423
00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,367
but he is getting offers
for new television adventures,

424
00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:27,411
like, well, you wouldn't believe.

425
00:21:27,494 --> 00:21:31,081
So chances are you will be seeing him
somewhere new very soon.

426
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,167
At this point,
everybody wants to get a hold of Kai,

427
00:21:34,251 --> 00:21:38,630
so Jessob says, "Hey, listen.
Kai's willing to do something with you,

428
00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:40,716
but also The Kimmel Show wants him."

429
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,594
"So, hey, that's gotta be good for us.
Like, we're really onto something."

430
00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:48,473
"If the guy that we wanna make a show with
is then gonna be on Kimmel,

431
00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:51,601
it can only make him more popular,
so that's gotta be good for us."

432
00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:53,228
We couldn't put him on the train,

433
00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,814
we couldn't put him on a plane
because he has no ID.

434
00:21:55,897 --> 00:21:59,651
So somebody has to put hands on this guy

435
00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:01,653
and then drive him 500 miles.

436
00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:04,573
So we're bringing him to the show,

437
00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:07,743
and my boss said,
"We're sending JR with you."

438
00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:09,536
"He knows Northern California."

439
00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:15,917
[JR] I had no idea who this Kai guy was.

440
00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,587
So I watched the viral YouTube video,

441
00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:21,923
and I realized, gosh,
I guess he's got some endearing qualities,

442
00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:23,925
but he also just made the news

443
00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:27,721
for bludgeoning somebody
over the head with a deadly weapon.

444
00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:29,765
This is gonna be interesting.

445
00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:34,519
It seems most reality production companies

446
00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:38,774
are looking for the next big
pop-culture icon to emerge,

447
00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,485
and after Simple Life with Paris Hilton
went away,

448
00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,905
they needed a new Paris Hilton,
and Kim Kardashian became that.

449
00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:48,158
So it's a constant look
for the next big thing.

450
00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:53,997
Kai had communicated with Jessob

451
00:22:54,081 --> 00:22:57,000
that he had hitchhiked his way
down to Santa Rosa.

452
00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:01,213
And, uh, here we go. Giddy up.

453
00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:03,298
400,000 more of me.

454
00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:06,426
And then there's all the ones
who are just struggling to get up,

455
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:07,552
but we're helping them.

456
00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:10,639
My initial impression is,
oh my God, he smelled of alcohol.

457
00:23:10,722 --> 00:23:14,309
This guy is in-tox-i-cated.

458
00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:21,525
First thing he does is he sees some guy
who looked like he "had less than he did."

459
00:23:21,608 --> 00:23:23,777
He takes the backpack off his back,

460
00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:25,779
and he gave him the backpack.

461
00:23:25,862 --> 00:23:30,659
You know, I thought, like, wow.
Okay, that's pretty good.

462
00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:34,329
[JR] Kimmel's gonna do his thing.
That'll just be a one-off.

463
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,915
What we need to make sure that we do,

464
00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:40,877
before anybody else in Hollywood
can get their grubby hands on him,

465
00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:42,796
"Here's the contract. Sign here."

466
00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:46,716
And I remember
that he signed it in hieroglyphics.

467
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,262
It took him ten minutes to sign his name,
and it was just gibberish.

468
00:23:50,345 --> 00:23:53,265
I don't know how else to describe it.
It was like a cave drawing.

469
00:23:53,348 --> 00:23:55,851
That was his "signature"
agreeing to be on the show.

470
00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:58,728
So theoretically I guess
we had our "deal."

471
00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:00,230
Mission accomplished.

472
00:24:00,313 --> 00:24:03,233
[Lisa] We weren't really sure
exactly what this show was gonna be,

473
00:24:03,316 --> 00:24:05,694
but I think what people saw at my company

474
00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:12,284
was that Kai could be a gateway
into a world that we never saw.

475
00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:16,955
Homeless people living happily
on the streets.

476
00:24:17,038 --> 00:24:19,291
The show would be batshit crazy,
I know that!

477
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,544
If Kai is, like, the lead man,
it's gonna be nuts.

478
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:23,837
[rhythmic tapping]

479
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,423
[Jessob]
I remember telling her, "Look, get ready."

480
00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:28,049
"This is not easy."

481
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,260
"He's a great guy, and he's a crazy guy,

482
00:24:30,343 --> 00:24:33,180
but it's not unicorns and rainbows
when you hang out with this guy."

483
00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:36,099
"It is exhausting.
It's hard. So just be ready."

484
00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,435
"And if you need me, call me.
Whatever I can do…"

485
00:24:38,518 --> 00:24:40,937
"Give me the phone. I'll talk to him
if anything's going on."

486
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:56,161
[Brad] It's eight o'clock,
and I'm standing outside

487
00:24:56,244 --> 00:24:58,538
the Roosevelt Hotel
on Hollywood Boulevard.

488
00:24:58,622 --> 00:25:00,499
Lisa pulls up with Kai,

489
00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:02,792
and I see Lisa for the first time,

490
00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:05,045
and I see Kai for the first time.

491
00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:07,130
And Lisa looks down, and she says,

492
00:25:07,214 --> 00:25:10,759
"Can you watch him for a minute?
I'm gonna go valet the car,"

493
00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:14,054
which is just straight around the corner,
and I say, "No problem."

494
00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:18,141
And Kai, he gets out of the car.
It's me and him on Hollywood Boulevard,

495
00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:21,228
and people are recognizing him
almost immediately.

496
00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:24,564
People are driving by,
and they're saying, "Smash! Smash! Smash!"

497
00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:27,442
So I'm just standing there.
I'm not watching him. He's an adult.

498
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,528
Lisa comes back around the corner,

499
00:25:29,611 --> 00:25:32,447
and I could see her,
and she looks at me and she stops.

500
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:35,742
Kai has his pants pulled down…

501
00:25:35,825 --> 00:25:39,162
And he's urinating
on Julio Iglesias's star

502
00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,164
directly in front of this hotel.

503
00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:45,085
And I was like, "I fucking told you
to keep an eye on him."

504
00:25:45,168 --> 00:25:48,296
And her face was like,
"I was just with this guy for 26 hours."

505
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:49,798
"You couldn't do five minutes?"

506
00:25:50,924 --> 00:25:55,512
We were walking into the Roosevelt Hotel,
where Marilyn Monroe used to live,

507
00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:58,682
where they used to hold the Oscars,
and up comes Kai.

508
00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:03,103
[JR] We got into the room,

509
00:26:03,186 --> 00:26:07,107
and he immediately was overjoyed
to see a minibar.

510
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:10,318
You know, these were not
airplane-sized bottles of liquor.

511
00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,404
They were enormous bottles of liquor.

512
00:26:12,487 --> 00:26:14,698
Immediately, he cracked open
a Jack Daniels

513
00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:16,324
and just started gulping it down.

514
00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:18,159
Gulp. Gulp. Gulp. Gulp.

515
00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:24,249
We're not talking pouring it into a glass.
We're talking, like, lunatic style.

516
00:26:24,332 --> 00:26:25,750
He was out of control.

517
00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:28,253
I've been around a lot of celebrities,

518
00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:31,047
and I've seen some of them
act a little crazy.

519
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:32,674
But nothing like this.

520
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,594
So our next move is, I think
we're gonna get something to eat.

521
00:26:35,677 --> 00:26:39,723
He takes his skateboard.
We go down to the lobby of this hotel,

522
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:42,767
and the lobby of this hotel, it's fancy.

523
00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:45,979
There's fancy people here. It's
Saturday night on Hollywood Boulevard.

524
00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:48,732
And it's, like, cobblestone.

525
00:26:48,815 --> 00:26:52,152
So he takes his skateboard,
rides across, and he goes,

526
00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:54,237
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

527
00:26:54,321 --> 00:26:56,197
all the way across. We get outside.

528
00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:58,867
Three seconds later,
the security comes out

529
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,036
and says, "He can't come back in."

530
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,788
"You're all out." And I'm thinking,

531
00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:06,458
"They don't even know about him
peeing in front of the building."

532
00:27:06,541 --> 00:27:09,002
They meant business.
"Sir, you are outta here."

533
00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:11,963
And before I know it,
we are out on the sidewalk.

534
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:18,136
And then he took off running ahead of us
and pulled out a huge knife

535
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,889
and tried to throw it into the ground.

536
00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:24,351
Okay, like, this is a little scary.

537
00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:29,481
At first, we were intrigued by Kai
and finding him and all that stuff,

538
00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:33,151
and… and we were excited
about what we were doing.

539
00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:36,696
And now we're kinda like, "Are we okay?"

540
00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:41,159
[JR] If what they were after,
my production company,

541
00:27:41,242 --> 00:27:44,704
was this carefree,
happy, home-free hitchhiker,

542
00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:49,000
who's looking out for the underdog,
that was not what this guy was projecting.

543
00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:51,503
They kicked me out for skateboarding
in the middle of the thing

544
00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,130
-and drinking a bottle of JD.
-[woman] This was-- When was this?

545
00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:56,091
And I peed on the Walk of Fame,

546
00:27:56,174 --> 00:28:00,470
and all these publicity agents
are like, "No! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop!"

547
00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:02,847
I was like… [imitates peeing sound]

548
00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:04,599
I'm kickin' it legit.

549
00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:08,561
[JR] I was texting, "You are not gonna
wanna do a reality show with this guy,"

550
00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:10,397
but I guess from their perspective,

551
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,441
it was more just like,
"How bad can this guy really be?"

552
00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:14,609
"Just get him down here."

553
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,404
"We can talk to him ourselves
and form our own opinion."

554
00:28:20,573 --> 00:28:22,951
I don't know why
I took it upon myself to think,

555
00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,453
"I'm responsible for him.
I'm his babysitter,

556
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:27,956
and I need to make sure
that he gets on The Kimmel Show."

557
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,876
Shouldn't it just be his responsibility
or Brad's responsibility?

558
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,795
But all of a sudden, I'm, like, huh,

559
00:28:33,878 --> 00:28:37,465
I don't know
if it's a wild or stupid idea.

560
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,008
I had him stay at my house.

561
00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:42,762
It's just the two of us.

562
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,305
He was polite.

563
00:28:45,223 --> 00:28:46,391
Played the guitar.

564
00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,643
[singing]

565
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,730
[Lisa] But there was
something kinda dangerous about him,

566
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:53,356
now we're starting to think.

567
00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:09,289
Monday, I'm done. Brad can have him,
do what he wants with him.

568
00:29:09,372 --> 00:29:13,668
I'm not even thinking about our TV show,
if we're gonna do anything with it or not.

569
00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:18,298
He didn't seem particularly, uh, excited
that he was gonna be on The Kimmel Show.

570
00:29:18,381 --> 00:29:22,469
At least he was not letting on
that he was overly excited about it.

571
00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:28,558
Lisa and her production team
take Kai to the studio.

572
00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:30,727
They pull up and in the back parking lot,

573
00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:33,730
there's this really big
Jimmy Kimmel Live! sign

574
00:29:33,813 --> 00:29:37,108
stretched across this chain-link fence.
They get out of the car.

575
00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,695
First thing Kai does, walks up to the sign
and pisses on the sign.

576
00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:43,448
'Course, everyone's like,
"What the fuck are you…" [laughs]

577
00:29:43,531 --> 00:29:46,326
"What are you doing?"
Security guard comes over.

578
00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:48,328
"What are you doing, bro?
You can't do that,"

579
00:29:48,411 --> 00:29:51,164
all this stuff that, yes, of course,
you can't do that, Kai.

580
00:29:51,247 --> 00:29:54,709
You can't do that. They get him,
you know, wrangle him, stop him.

581
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,629
He goes inside. Uh, Jimmy's waiting there.

582
00:29:57,712 --> 00:29:59,839
They take their pictures,
do whatever they gotta do,

583
00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:02,634
and then Jimmy hands Kai an envelope.

584
00:30:02,717 --> 00:30:04,844
Inside, there was, like, $500 in it.

585
00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,264
Kai takes it
and gives it to the security guard

586
00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:10,683
and says, "I'm sorry
for pissing on the sign."

587
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:12,644
I remember just thinking,
"There's no way in hell

588
00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:14,979
he's actually gonna be
on The Jimmy Kimmel Show."

589
00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:18,358
They're gonna see that he's crazy.
They're gonna see that he's unstable.

590
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,736
They're gonna see that he's bad news,
and the idea's gonna be jettisoned,

591
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,906
and there's no way
he's actually gonna be on the show.

592
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:27,200
So we're in the green room,

593
00:30:27,283 --> 00:30:30,829
and we're 90 minutes away from the show,

594
00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,288
and the police show up.

595
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:37,043
Hello.
There's no picture-taking in here, okay?

596
00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:39,879
Thank you very much.
All right, unless you wanna go…

597
00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:42,173
All right, now go on your way.
Thanks a lot.

598
00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:45,343
No question, when the police walked in,
I knew who they were there for.

599
00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,887
And they came, and they grabbed him,
and they took him.

600
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:51,224
And I… I've never been more crestfallen.

601
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:05,321
My name is Jeff Stricker,
and in February 2013,

602
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:09,242
I was a homicide detective
with the Fresno County Sheriff's Office.

603
00:31:09,325 --> 00:31:11,953
Jett McBride,
who was the driver of the vehicle

604
00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:16,249
that smashed into Rayshawn Neely,
the PG&E worker, was in custody,

605
00:31:16,332 --> 00:31:18,501
and Kai was our key witness.

606
00:31:18,585 --> 00:31:21,754
The district attorney investigators
didn't know where Kai was,

607
00:31:21,838 --> 00:31:25,174
but social media
being what it is these days,

608
00:31:25,258 --> 00:31:26,467
Jimmy Kimmel tweeted,

609
00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:29,304
"Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
will be on the show."

610
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:33,975
So they left Fresno
and headed on over to LA to meet with Kai.

611
00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:37,437
Some people weren't disappointed
that the police came and got him.

612
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,273
Some people were like,
"Well, that figures," and--

613
00:31:40,356 --> 00:31:41,357
But not me. Not me.

614
00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:45,069
I was wrong about this the whole time.
I was like, "We gotta get him back."

615
00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,489
[reporter] The Fresno County
District Attorney's Office enlisted

616
00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,034
the help of the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department

617
00:31:51,117 --> 00:31:53,578
to track Kai down
at the Jimmy Kimmel studio

618
00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:55,038
and take him into custody.

619
00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:57,123
The DA's office served him with a subpoena

620
00:31:57,206 --> 00:32:00,585
and says it needed to get a statement
about the attempted murder hate crime

621
00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:03,880
that started this whole thing
because he is the key witness.

622
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,091
We're all sweating bullets, you know,
probably especially Brad.

623
00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:11,679
Kai's social media is
blowing up at this point.

624
00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:13,973
I can't even tell you
how many hits he's getting.

625
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:15,391
It's, like, millions.

626
00:32:17,685 --> 00:32:20,521
[Brad] Eventually,
about 30 minutes before the show,

627
00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,650
the police brought him back.
But here's the thing.

628
00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:25,652
Everything I do,
the lead-up, the build-up,

629
00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:27,445
the calling, getting people to agree,

630
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:31,240
the only thing I don't have control of
is what everybody sees.

631
00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:34,744
What's on the air. That's the only part
I have no control of, what gets on TV.

632
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,412
And that's only what everybody remembers.

633
00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:38,915
Jessob's in the front row.

634
00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:41,501
I'm pacing in the green room.

635
00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:45,672
We both know, more than other people know,

636
00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,508
how sideways this can go.

637
00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:51,094
I'm about to pick up
a very special hitchhiker.

638
00:32:51,177 --> 00:32:53,596
Ladies and gentlemen,
please say hi to Kai.

639
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,098
Kai, jump in the car.

640
00:33:00,395 --> 00:33:03,356
Kai! Not on the car, in the car.

641
00:33:03,439 --> 00:33:06,442
I don't know if the car can hold
your weight. All right, there we go.

642
00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:09,362
-[Kai] Keep your eye on the road, man.
-[laughing]

643
00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:10,321
Holy [bleep].

644
00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:12,740
Well, welcome, Kai. Welcome.
How are you?

645
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:15,034
-Excellent. How about yourself?
-I'm doing good.

646
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:17,870
I had very little confidence
it would go well for him.

647
00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:20,957
But, man, I was rooting for him.
I was rooting for him.

648
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,584
They described you in the video
as "homeless hitchhiker,"

649
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:25,336
but you don't like the word "homeless."

650
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:26,671
-Home-free.
-Home-free.

651
00:33:26,754 --> 00:33:29,257
It's the land of the free
and the home of the brave.

652
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,718
You don't want to have a home, correct?

653
00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:34,095
What the hell are you talking about?
I am home.

654
00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:36,347
-[laughs] Yeah, I see.
-[bleep]

655
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:38,975
So anywhere you are is your home.
That's your philosophy.

656
00:33:39,058 --> 00:33:41,561
Jimmy handled it so well
'cause Kai had, you know,

657
00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:44,355
in typical Kai fashion,
he had some very bizarre answers

658
00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:48,067
and said some very bizarre things,
but Jimmy just rolled with it.

659
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:51,237
A lot of people are calling you a hero
because you did.

660
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,407
You thwarted that crazy guy, right?

661
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:58,661
There's not so much difference between him
and who they sell as Jesus anyways.

662
00:33:58,745 --> 00:34:01,497
Well, I don't know. I haven't met him.

663
00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:02,790
Did he have a beard?

664
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:04,959
-No.
-[laughs]

665
00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:07,920
No, no, he was…
he was a fat, rich, white guy.

666
00:34:08,004 --> 00:34:12,216
Now, um, you, uh…
Obviously, millions of people have seen--

667
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,594
Nothing against fat, rich people.

668
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:16,679
No, fat, white people, yeah.

669
00:34:16,763 --> 00:34:19,140
Yeah, you're sitting next to one. Um…

670
00:34:19,223 --> 00:34:23,269
It's great by Jimmy. I've seen him
do this hundreds, hundreds of times,

671
00:34:23,352 --> 00:34:27,148
where the… That is an example
of Kai trying to be funny,

672
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,025
and Jimmy knowing how to stop it,

673
00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:32,403
say something self-deprecating
and move on to the next point.

674
00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:33,905
God, he's good.

675
00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:35,948
Let's step outside the car for one second,

676
00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:39,327
because I don't know if you're gonna
give this away immediately,

677
00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:40,995
but we have something for you.

678
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:49,754
There you go.
A Mini Mal surfboard and a wetsuit.

679
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:54,592
Do with it as you will. If you choose
to give it away, then so be it.

680
00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:58,596
[laughing] I can't tell you
how many people got a hold of me

681
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,350
trying to get him
a surfboard and a wetsuit

682
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:04,769
and all those things he wanted.
Just from that line,

683
00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,855
he had hundreds and hundreds of offers.
Shit, Jimmy Kimmel gave it to him.

684
00:35:08,564 --> 00:35:09,690
You all right, Kai?

685
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,609
-[cheering and applause]
-[Jimmy laughs]

686
00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:14,612
All right. Kai the Hitchhiker, everybody.

687
00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:15,530
Thanks, Kai.

688
00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:18,574
And thanks for not killing me
with a hatchet.

689
00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:22,912
Hey, everybody,
we got a great show tonight.

690
00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:27,500
Carl Reiner is here.
We'll be right back with Mindy Kaling.

691
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:34,799
The whole world was open to him
at this point. It really, really was.

692
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:38,845
So we ask him back the next day
to do, like, movie reviews.

693
00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:42,515
[exhaling rhythmically]

694
00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,142
Yeah, okay. Let's watch movies.

695
00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:46,519
[Brad] The next day,
we saw a different side of Kai.

696
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,606
He had no possibility
of concentrating on anything.

697
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:51,816
Zero Dark Thirty

698
00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:58,281
is about how we're being told
to keep our bodies alkaline

699
00:35:58,364 --> 00:36:01,033
and being fed fluoride in the water.

700
00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:03,202
"Kai, just… just… just watch the movie."

701
00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:05,997
I think at some point,
we're like, "Just watch the trailer."

702
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,624
It's two minutes and 32 seconds.
He couldn't get through it.

703
00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:11,294
So if they laid a chemtrail
over the side of your house

704
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:12,420
with scopolamine,

705
00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:15,590
and try to get y'all
to act like [bleep] zombies

706
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,884
so they could slay y'all
and take your houses,

707
00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,720
then that'd be
a good [bleep] way of doing it.

708
00:36:20,803 --> 00:36:24,307
We were barely able to corral him
for those eight minutes on that one night.

709
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,310
Him doing a reality TV show
would never have worked.

710
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:29,061
Osama bin Laden was a sheikh.

711
00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:32,064
He never would've done it.
So he's gonna show up at 3:45

712
00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:35,526
at some doughnut shop
and fake some scene that they wrote?

713
00:36:36,152 --> 00:36:38,779
There's no chance.
There's no chance he's doing that.

714
00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:40,656
I mean, no chance.

715
00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:43,951
What a bizarre thing.
That would've never worked.

716
00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:50,958
After Kimmel, Jimmy promised him
he would take him wherever he'd wanna go.

717
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:54,295
He said he wanted to go back north
and Jimmy lived up to his word.

718
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:57,131
♪ Got my temperature rising ♪

719
00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:01,636
♪ Yeah, they turning up the heat ♪

720
00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:06,515
From being in a world
where nobody is listening to you,

721
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:11,312
now he's in this echo chamber
of everything he says,

722
00:37:11,395 --> 00:37:14,732
there's at least a thousand people saying,
"That's a great idea."

723
00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:16,275
[woman] I wanna hand hug with you.

724
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:17,610
-Hand hug?
-[woman] Hand hug.

725
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:19,111
-Thank you so much.
-You're welcome.

726
00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:22,365
[man] This notoriety you've developed,
is this helping you with women?

727
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:24,325
Are you dating these days?

728
00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:25,284
[Kai] Am I dating?

729
00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:27,870
[man] Are women coming up to you
in a way they haven't before?

730
00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:31,958
[Kai] Uh, yeah, this one girl
was trying to see if it was me,

731
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,876
and she walked into a stop sign
the other day.

732
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,586
She was kinda mortified.

733
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:38,381
I gave her a big hug,
and she was like, "You are Kai!"

734
00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:41,968
He was not hard to keep track of
because he was living the dream.

735
00:37:42,051 --> 00:37:46,097
He was pretty damn famous. He'd pop up
on different videos of surfing.

736
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:47,556
Let's go catch a wave.

737
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,851
People wanted him to come perform,
playing gigs. At one point,

738
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:54,272
one of Justin Bieber's people called
and asked about him.

739
00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:57,191
It takes one little collab
with Justin Bieber

740
00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:58,526
to make a career, I'm sure.

741
00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:03,364
[Brad] People were happy to see him
at that point.

742
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:08,828
If he rolled into your town and he
just posted, "Went to the local library"

743
00:38:08,911 --> 00:38:13,374
and it's on Facebook
and you were 17 to 23 years old,

744
00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:16,043
you're like,
"I'll come pick you up. Why not?"

745
00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:19,005
You just saw him save somebody.
You just saw him on TV.

746
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,677
There wasn't anything about him at that
point that would caution you against it.

747
00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:28,764
[reporter]
This made Kai an Internet sensation.

748
00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:30,266
He became a huge hit.

749
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:32,685
-Or you should say "a huge smash."
-Oh yeah!

750
00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:35,646
[harmonica music playing]

751
00:38:44,363 --> 00:38:48,242
So here's the car that Jett McBride
and Kai were traveling in

752
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,910
on the day of the incident.

753
00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:51,912
There's still blood on it.

754
00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:55,666
Surprised that anyone
would even survive this.

755
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,671
I didn't really keep track
of where Kai was going,

756
00:39:00,755 --> 00:39:04,175
what he was doing,
all the attention he was getting,

757
00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:05,634
the talk shows.

758
00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:08,804
I didn't care. I just wanted to make sure
that he was back

759
00:39:08,888 --> 00:39:11,599
for the pretrial hearing for Jett McBride.

760
00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:13,434
Kai was our key witness.

761
00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,854
He was in the car when they crashed
and injured Rayshawn Neely.

762
00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:20,691
He knows what they were talking about.
He had all the information.

763
00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:23,110
You couldn't ask for a better witness
being in that spot.

764
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:25,071
-Hey, Tanya.
-[Tanya chuckles]

765
00:39:25,154 --> 00:39:26,781
Hey, peeps, how's it going?

766
00:39:29,658 --> 00:39:31,869
In court, details started to emerge.

767
00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:35,039
The picture started to come into focus.

768
00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:38,125
[reporter] Tanya Baker testified
that McBride attacked her

769
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,127
while she tried to rescue Neely.

770
00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:43,422
He put me into a bear hug
and was hitting me on the back.

771
00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:46,008
[reporter]
Then Kai stepped in with his hatchet,

772
00:39:46,092 --> 00:39:50,805
hitting McBride over the head
not once, not twice, but three times.

773
00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:53,724
[Alex] Knowing who Kai was,

774
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:56,644
part of me wondered
what actually happened that day in Fresno.

775
00:39:56,727 --> 00:39:58,938
Was that actually him saving the day?

776
00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:02,024
Was this him being the hero or not?

777
00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:04,485
With no hatchet in hand this time,

778
00:40:04,568 --> 00:40:06,737
the man known as Kai took the stand,

779
00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:09,573
not before causing
a few observers to chuckle.

780
00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:15,329
Just a moment. Listen to the clerk
as she states the oath to you

781
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:18,874
so that you can respond to it.
You only need one hand up, the right hand.

782
00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:23,587
Kai was asked
if he rolled a joint with Jett McBride.

783
00:40:23,671 --> 00:40:27,425
Kai said he did,
and in my interview with Jett,

784
00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,177
he was suggesting
that Kai made the assumption

785
00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:33,681
that they were both ghosts
after they were smoking their marijuana,

786
00:40:33,764 --> 00:40:37,309
and Kai said, "I bet we could drive
right through that truck right now

787
00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,228
and nobody would even see us."

788
00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:43,566
He's not perfectly clean in this incident.
He's been made out to be a hero.

789
00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:47,862
Um, what he did to stop him
from attacking Tanya is commendable,

790
00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:52,074
but he does have some culpability in this.

791
00:40:52,158 --> 00:40:54,535
[reporter] Kai then testified
that just before the crash,

792
00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:58,205
McBride proudly told him
about raping a 14-year-old girl.

793
00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:01,542
He's like, "Well, I've come to realize
I'm Jesus Christ,

794
00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:03,627
and I get away with anything I want to.
Watch this."

795
00:41:03,711 --> 00:41:09,800
And I look up, and there's a whole crew
of construction people in front of me.

796
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,012
Most of them jumped aside.
One dude got pinned underneath.

797
00:41:13,095 --> 00:41:17,141
Kai says McBride then turned on
several people who tried to help.

798
00:41:17,224 --> 00:41:20,144
He's still holding onto her,
so I smashed him again.

799
00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:24,231
And he's still holding onto her hair.
I was like [bleep].

800
00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:26,525
I smashed him real good and hard.

801
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:28,986
Initially, when Kai was hitting him,

802
00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:31,739
he was using the dull part,
the back of the hatchet.

803
00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:36,410
And a third strike, he turned it around
and used the sharp edge of it.

804
00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:39,705
[Brad] Hitting someone in the head
with a hatchet three times,

805
00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:41,332
blunt side or not,

806
00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:42,374
is violent.

807
00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:44,585
And yet because of his demeanor,

808
00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,338
for me, it got clouded.

809
00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:51,634
And all I saw was the kind Kai.

810
00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:55,262
The violent Kai,
who showed himself to me right there,

811
00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:57,473
I didn't see it.

812
00:41:57,556 --> 00:41:59,642
In the original interview,
when I first talked to him,

813
00:41:59,725 --> 00:42:03,896
I asked him at one point, "Have you ever
been a part of something like this?"

814
00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:06,482
Well, this one time, I was in an orchard,

815
00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:10,361
and this fucking guy starts beating
on this woman who he calls "his."

816
00:42:10,444 --> 00:42:13,405
So I walked on over,
and I started smashing him in the head.

817
00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:16,742
You see all these teeth marks right here,
for the camera?

818
00:42:16,825 --> 00:42:20,496
Yeah, I started smashing him in the head
and the teeth, busted out all his teeth.

819
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:23,707
Yeah, he saved a woman.
At the same time, it's a little extreme,

820
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:26,794
bragging about your knuckles
still being scarred

821
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:30,464
and not just stopping the assault,
but beating the dude, you know?

822
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:34,218
It's the same thing when I asked him
about hitting the driver with the hatchet.

823
00:42:34,301 --> 00:42:35,803
It's like, "Yeah, I cleaved him."

824
00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:38,847
He was like,
"Yes, I'm proud of it, and it felt good."

825
00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:42,851
It was almost kind of a relief to him,
and that's a scary thought.

826
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:52,945
[Jessob] What are you planning on doing
now that the attention is on you?

827
00:42:53,028 --> 00:42:57,157
Because these things do have a shelf life.
It's gonna start to fade away.

828
00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:59,952
[Kai] This badass mother[bleep]
doesn't come with a shelf life.

829
00:43:00,035 --> 00:43:03,872
I don't fit on a shelf. Yeah, yeah,
I don't fit inside time limits either.

830
00:43:03,956 --> 00:43:06,875
People are actually
interested in not just the fact

831
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:11,422
that I smashed a dude with a hatchet
who was trying to mass murder some people,

832
00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:14,508
but also in that I play some legit music.

833
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,844
I play punk. I play grind.

834
00:43:16,927 --> 00:43:20,598
I play, like, serious metal. I can play,
like, six different instruments.

835
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,769
There's been recording offers for me
from places like Greenhouse Records

836
00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:27,855
and, uh, Universal.

837
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,111
My name is Gabriel Francisco.

838
00:43:34,194 --> 00:43:36,822
I'm the lead singer
of a band called the Redcoats.

839
00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:38,198
♪ Hello ♪

840
00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:40,200
♪ Who are you? ♪

841
00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:43,662
♪ Where am I
And where you going to? ♪

842
00:43:43,746 --> 00:43:46,040
♪ I said hello… ♪

843
00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:48,375
[Gabriel] I was asked,
"Do you wanna do a show with Kai?"

844
00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,087
I thought,
"Like Kai Kai? Like, the hatchet guy?"

845
00:43:52,171 --> 00:43:54,965
I thought, "This guy is ridiculous."
[chuckles]

846
00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:57,509
But then I saw a video of him
playing the acoustic guitar…

847
00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:06,101
and I thought, "It's not bad."

848
00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:08,437
♪ I've never seen
A beauty like you before ♪

849
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,397
♪ Breathless kisses through the door… ♪

850
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:15,402
He has a nice voice and just sounds like
a campfire guy with an acoustic guitar.

851
00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:19,031
We said yes because we wanted Kai's crowd.
[chuckles]

852
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,283
We wanted who was gonna come out
to see Kai,

853
00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:24,161
and then we wanted to kill it
and win them over.

854
00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:26,246
I mean, that's what you do.
It's like Rock Band.

855
00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:29,083
"You made 20 fans tonight."
"You made 50 fans."

856
00:44:30,584 --> 00:44:35,047
[man] Kai came in to Fresno
like a big ball of fire.

857
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:37,549
He comes in for soundcheck,

858
00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:42,596
and I feel I'm a good judge of character.
I just was put off by him pretty quickly

859
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,767
just the way he talked,
interacted, and treated my staff.

860
00:44:48,018 --> 00:44:51,605
He'd walk up to the bar
almost demanding, like, a free beer

861
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:55,693
because of who he was, and it's like,
"Yeah, you know, we don't do that here."

862
00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:59,071
But then he would go out and get somebody
to buy his drinks for him.

863
00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:03,784
[Gabriel] We do soundcheck,
and he was talking about that day,

864
00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:07,037
the day that he hit the man
on the head with a hatchet.

865
00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:09,248
And in Kai's words, he's bragging,

866
00:45:09,331 --> 00:45:11,458
he says, "Oh man, you know,
this guy picks me up,

867
00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:14,837
and I offer him a joint,
and he can't even handle his shit, man,

868
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,755
because, like, I hand him a joint,

869
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:20,634
but what he didn't know was
it was laced, man. And it was…"

870
00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:23,220
He starts listing drugs.
I don't know what they are.

871
00:45:23,303 --> 00:45:29,143
But what Kai explicitly told me
was that he handed this man a laced joint,

872
00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:31,270
and then Kai proceeds to tell me,

873
00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:35,190
"Then he starts flipping out over nothing
'cause he can't handle his shit,"

874
00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:36,483
and he's laughing.

875
00:45:36,567 --> 00:45:39,570
And I'm horrified,
and he's telling a group of people,

876
00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:43,365
and they're all laughing.
No one's listening to what he's saying,

877
00:45:43,449 --> 00:45:45,909
and I'm standing there,
and I'm thinking, "Oh my God."

878
00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:48,787
"Kai just confessed something huge."

879
00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:50,330
"He drugged this guy?"

880
00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:52,791
That's like starting a fire,

881
00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:56,003
and then putting the fire out
and being called a hero.

882
00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:03,343
So I understand that
the police have tested the marijuana

883
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,971
and they did toxicology on the driver.

884
00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:08,015
But, honestly, if you think about this,

885
00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:11,351
what if there's something
that just didn't show up on the test?

886
00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:19,568
And then he was talking about life
and having a positive attitude.

887
00:46:19,651 --> 00:46:22,154
"You just gotta go through, man,"
and it's very hippie,

888
00:46:22,237 --> 00:46:23,781
and then, out of nowhere, he said,

889
00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:26,492
"Unless some old man fucks you in the ass,

890
00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:29,620
and you have to keep it real
and take him out."

891
00:46:29,703 --> 00:46:31,330
And it was so bizarre.

892
00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:35,626
And then he, like a switch, went back to,

893
00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:39,797
"Everything's fine,"
and everybody kinda just accepted that.

894
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,676
And that was another one of those things
where I thought, "What just happened?"

895
00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:47,304
And I went inside,
and I was kind of shaken

896
00:46:47,387 --> 00:46:50,182
and going, "I have to play this show now
with this knowledge,"

897
00:46:50,265 --> 00:46:52,226
and our drummer's mom,
who's a photographer,

898
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:55,813
says, "Gabe, get next to Kai.
Come take a picture."

899
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:58,065
And I thought, "Oh my God."

900
00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:01,527
"I don't wanna be seen with this man
when all of this comes out,"

901
00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:04,404
'cause I was thinking,
"This is gonna come out."

902
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:05,948
"This is gonna be huge."

903
00:47:06,573 --> 00:47:07,574
And it never did.

904
00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:10,410
♪ Step it up
You gotta jump away first ♪

905
00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:13,288
[Gabriel] I honestly don't even remember
staying for Kai's show.

906
00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:16,875
I was kinda shaken up that night
by how he behaved.

907
00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:20,254
♪ If you wake up dead
Bullets in your head ♪

908
00:47:20,337 --> 00:47:23,090
♪ I'm killing you, one by fucking one ♪

909
00:47:23,173 --> 00:47:26,218
♪ Not regretting a thing
Of what I've done ♪

910
00:47:26,301 --> 00:47:28,929
[Tony] I ended up kicking him out
after his performance

911
00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:31,682
for urinating on one of our bushes.

912
00:47:31,765 --> 00:47:35,143
It's like, "Yeah, you don't come
and disrespect our place like this."

913
00:47:35,227 --> 00:47:36,770
He burned bridges.

914
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:40,232
It's a big city,
but it has a small-town feel.

915
00:47:40,315 --> 00:47:43,318
If you get burned in this town,
word spreads.

916
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:45,445
My last words were,
"Get the fuck outta here."

917
00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:50,993
When I look at Kai,
I don't know what his headspace is.

918
00:47:51,076 --> 00:47:53,579
I don't know how healthy his headspace is.

919
00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:01,211
But I think that living carefree
and lawlessly for so long,

920
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,089
he didn't have a sense of consequences.

921
00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:09,386
People gave him a lot of opportunity,

922
00:48:09,469 --> 00:48:11,430
and I think he got in that mindset, like,

923
00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:13,390
"This is Kai's world now," you know?

924
00:48:13,473 --> 00:48:15,642
Because there was
a lot of people filling his head

925
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:19,438
with things he can do and get away with,
and maybe that backfired a little bit.

926
00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:21,064
[man] So I'm sure you know

927
00:48:21,148 --> 00:48:23,650
who Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
is by now.

928
00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:25,360
He is all over YouTube.

929
00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:28,405
He's everybody's favorite hero right now,
but, uh, I actually met him.

930
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,658
Are you his agent?

931
00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:35,120
Am I his agent? No, I don't have,
nor am I had by anybody.

932
00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:38,665
But no matter what you've done,
you deserve respect.

933
00:48:38,749 --> 00:48:41,251
No matter your looks or your skills,
you're worthwhile.

934
00:48:41,335 --> 00:48:42,502
No, this is for everyone.

935
00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:46,006
And it doesn't matter,
like, if you make mistakes,

936
00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:48,717
you're still lovable.
There's four different types of love.

937
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,762
There's putting up with somebody.
There's liking somebody.

938
00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:55,140
There's, then, like,
romantically liking somebody,

939
00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:59,269
and there's, like, actually be willing
to kill somebody else for somebody.

940
00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:00,896
Like, sacrificial love.

941
00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:06,193
[Jessob]
The Kimmel Show was 100% the peak.

942
00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:09,154
The viral fame started,
and it just snowballed and snowballed,

943
00:49:09,237 --> 00:49:10,864
so the fame was growing.
It was more fun.

944
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:13,742
More things were happening for Kai,
and things were getting more amazing.

945
00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:17,579
Then all of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel's here,
'cause it was the best, and then…

946
00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:20,624
slowly just came down and…

947
00:49:21,917 --> 00:49:26,672
[Brad] For most people, what they know
of him is something maybe we wanna be.

948
00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:30,801
Maybe many of us don't want
the responsibilities we have,

949
00:49:30,884 --> 00:49:33,845
the bills and the cars
and the insurance and the property taxes,

950
00:49:33,929 --> 00:49:37,224
and this guy was living that life
without those responsibilities,

951
00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:39,059
and it was going well.

952
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:41,603
And then… then it didn't.

953
00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:43,230
It's a much more sad existence

954
00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:47,901
than maybe the exhilarating
or free experience people think.

955
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,790
[siren blares]

956
00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:06,795
Friday, May 10th, 2013,

957
00:50:06,878 --> 00:50:09,548
a little over three months
after, uh, the incident

958
00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,009
that started
this whole incredible journey,

959
00:50:12,092 --> 00:50:14,386
he shows up in New York City

960
00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:20,475
and posted this disturbing
and, um, ominous Facebook post.

961
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,603
He talked about this being
his Mother's Day message,

962
00:50:23,687 --> 00:50:26,523
and it's not what you would expect
from a Mother's Day message.

963
00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:27,441
It reads,

964
00:50:27,983 --> 00:50:32,237
"First memories I was in a crib
and 'family' was fussin over me."

965
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,782
"But I kept getting told
that 'I had a demon.'"

966
00:50:36,908 --> 00:50:39,286
"I would get locked in a room
for 20 hours a day

967
00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:42,289
with a little porta potty camp toilet
in the corner of the room."

968
00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:45,917
"Then after that my mouth
filled with hot pepper and soap

969
00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:48,336
for yelling fuck you
at the top of my lungs."

970
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:50,964
Signing off, "happy Mother's Day."

971
00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:52,340
Huh.

972
00:50:52,966 --> 00:50:55,886
And, of course, you know,
I remember when I met him

973
00:50:55,969 --> 00:50:58,597
for the first time
after the original incident in Stockton,

974
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,807
and we sat down
for that lengthy interview,

975
00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:02,934
he definitely disclosed

976
00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:06,938
some really, really terrible things
that happened to him.

977
00:51:07,022 --> 00:51:11,068
And, you know, obviously in the medium
I was working in, local news,

978
00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:13,361
you can't put a lot of that stuff on TV.

979
00:51:13,445 --> 00:51:15,405
I just turned 17 on the road.

980
00:51:15,489 --> 00:51:18,575
There was this guy, and he held me down,

981
00:51:18,658 --> 00:51:22,496
and then he, like, hit me a couple times,
and he started choking me.

982
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:28,043
Uh, he turned me over and he pulled
my pants down and started raping me.

983
00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:30,587
As this was happening
and Kai was laying on the ground,

984
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:33,507
that's when he said, you know,
he looked up to the sky

985
00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:37,469
and, uh, saw this crow
fly over in that moment

986
00:51:37,552 --> 00:51:40,806
and told him,
"Get up, fight for yourself, and run."

987
00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:43,934
And that's what he did,
and he got away from the guy.

988
00:51:44,017 --> 00:51:48,105
Um, and, you know, I don't know
if he saw that guy again

989
00:51:48,188 --> 00:51:50,190
or if that guy ever got in trouble for it,

990
00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:54,027
but, um, you know, a lot of it
seems hard to believe,

991
00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:57,072
but, you know, I'm in no place
to tell him it didn't happen.

992
00:51:57,572 --> 00:52:00,534
So all I'm left to believe
is that it happened.

993
00:52:00,617 --> 00:52:02,244
Tell me more.

994
00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:05,372
Oh, bro. Okay, you want me
to start from when I was a kid?

995
00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:07,624
I was locked in a cage
for fucking four years

996
00:52:07,707 --> 00:52:09,126
and treated like an animal.

997
00:52:09,209 --> 00:52:12,712
Uh, they installed a lock on the door
that went from the outside in

998
00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:16,591
so that they could sit
and watch TV and fuck and shit.

999
00:52:17,175 --> 00:52:19,010
You get kinda jaded with interviews,

1000
00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:24,474
and you kinda have, like, a truth meter
on if what they're saying is accurate,

1001
00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:28,520
and I didn't know if it was 100% true.

1002
00:52:29,729 --> 00:52:33,483
But even if, like,
50% of what he was saying was true,

1003
00:52:33,567 --> 00:52:35,944
he had a horrible, horrible childhood.

1004
00:52:49,708 --> 00:52:53,628
My name's Jeremy McGillivary Wolfe,
and I'm Kai's first cousin.

1005
00:52:54,254 --> 00:52:56,089
He was my brother, basically.

1006
00:52:57,215 --> 00:53:02,262
Seeing him on Kimmel and that,
just wow. This guy's going viral big-time,

1007
00:53:02,345 --> 00:53:05,182
and I was in shock, like, the whole time.

1008
00:53:05,265 --> 00:53:08,185
I'm still in shock to this day,
to tell you the truth.

1009
00:53:08,727 --> 00:53:12,522
This was someone I grew up with
giving this outrageous interview.

1010
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:18,111
But I never knew him as Kai, not once.
I just knew him as Caleb.

1011
00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:22,157
I heard Kai for the first time
during the YouTube video.

1012
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,700
I don't have any family.

1013
00:53:24,534 --> 00:53:29,164
Like, as far as anybody I grew up with
is concerned, I'm already dead.

1014
00:53:29,247 --> 00:53:30,832
So, whatever.

1015
00:53:31,833 --> 00:53:36,922
I felt bad after he said that,
and, like, we care about you, you know?

1016
00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:40,050
You shouldn't feel that way.
We always did.

1017
00:53:40,133 --> 00:53:43,887
Like, no matter if we have an argument,
the love doesn't stop there.

1018
00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:50,310
Caleb's parents had split up
when he was four.

1019
00:53:51,311 --> 00:53:52,812
Growing up, he was loud.

1020
00:53:52,896 --> 00:53:54,689
He was funny and mischievous.

1021
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:56,274
Very mischievous.

1022
00:53:57,651 --> 00:53:59,819
I was able to act like a boy,

1023
00:53:59,903 --> 00:54:02,822
and I was able to go outside and play.

1024
00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:04,908
Caleb wasn't given that privilege.

1025
00:54:04,991 --> 00:54:06,993
He was kept at home.

1026
00:54:07,869 --> 00:54:10,830
His mom locked him in a room
for quite some time,

1027
00:54:11,331 --> 00:54:14,042
and when…
She tried to lock me in a room as well.

1028
00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:16,544
We had just finished supper.
It was summertime,

1029
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,546
and the window was open,

1030
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:21,007
so you could hear
kids still playing outside.

1031
00:54:21,091 --> 00:54:23,051
But there was dark blankets on the window,

1032
00:54:23,134 --> 00:54:26,137
so it was completely blacked out
to make it look like it was night.

1033
00:54:26,221 --> 00:54:28,306
So we knew he had it difficult.

1034
00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:32,143
This one time,
he tried to start a fire in his house,

1035
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:36,940
and then, not long after, his mom decided
that she couldn't cope with him anymore.

1036
00:54:37,607 --> 00:54:40,527
He was 13 when he went to Bosco Homes,

1037
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:43,530
which is a place
where they take troubled teens, I guess,

1038
00:54:43,613 --> 00:54:47,575
that, um, got in trouble in their youth
and had no home

1039
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,954
or just come from families
that didn't want them, I guess.

1040
00:54:51,705 --> 00:54:53,498
Um, if you're still watching this,

1041
00:54:53,581 --> 00:54:56,042
that means that you obviously
like what you see,

1042
00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,461
so that's very nice and very pretty.

1043
00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:01,798
You may notice
that my eyes seem very dark.

1044
00:55:02,674 --> 00:55:05,468
In fact, maybe the whole picture
seems dark right now.

1045
00:55:06,761 --> 00:55:10,015
Something I think Madame Guyon called
"the dark night of the soul."

1046
00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:11,975
[Jeremy]
The littlest thing would trigger him.

1047
00:55:12,058 --> 00:55:14,728
Caleb didn't realize
whether you were laughing with him

1048
00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:16,563
or you were laughing at him,

1049
00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:21,026
and he would get so angry if he thought
you were teasing him or making fun of him.

1050
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:23,445
He would go into these little rages,

1051
00:55:23,528 --> 00:55:25,071
and then snap outta them.

1052
00:55:30,243 --> 00:55:32,037
♪ When I was four ♪

1053
00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:34,497
♪ I had a lighter ♪

1054
00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:40,211
♪ Tried to burn my parent's house
Right to the ground… ♪

1055
00:55:40,295 --> 00:55:44,049
I honestly believe
Caleb has, like, mental… mental issues

1056
00:55:44,132 --> 00:55:46,926
because he seems well,

1057
00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:50,096
but when it comes to
a certain situation of pressure,

1058
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,224
you either become a diamond
or you get crushed.

1059
00:55:53,308 --> 00:55:56,978
And in this case, Caleb gets crushed.

1060
00:55:57,062 --> 00:55:58,229
♪ I mean, it's like ♪

1061
00:55:58,313 --> 00:55:59,147
[chuckles]

1062
00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:01,358
♪ We all wild and feral inside ♪

1063
00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:03,443
♪ Ain't nothin'
That you gotta try and hide ♪

1064
00:56:09,491 --> 00:56:11,743
I'm Shirley. I'm Caleb's mother.

1065
00:56:11,826 --> 00:56:15,288
He's also known as Kai,
and I go by the given name

1066
00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:18,416
because of what it means.
Bold and courageous.

1067
00:56:19,084 --> 00:56:20,752
I didn't ever lock him in a room.

1068
00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:22,420
Like, "lock him in a room."

1069
00:56:22,504 --> 00:56:27,217
Um, I had to put, uh,
for a short period of time,

1070
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:31,846
uh, the ability… stop the ability of him
getting out of the room too early

1071
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:34,140
because he was a free spirit

1072
00:56:34,224 --> 00:56:38,561
and would get up earlier than I did
and get into stuff that could harm him

1073
00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:42,190
and, being a responsible parent,
needed to not allow that to happen.

1074
00:56:42,273 --> 00:56:44,150
And it was for a short period of time.

1075
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:48,822
For his best interest and the, you know,
safety, you know, of a little guy.

1076
00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:52,117
Not really understanding what's going on,

1077
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,330
the medical field wondered if he,
you know, had ADHD and things like that.

1078
00:56:57,414 --> 00:57:00,291
But kind of in the end,

1079
00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:03,211
there wasn't actually one diagnosis
that was anything.

1080
00:57:03,294 --> 00:57:06,756
It was kind of their grasp at,
"How do we… How do we help?"

1081
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,008
"How do we do this?
How do we navigate this?"

1082
00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:10,468
And… And time…

1083
00:57:11,344 --> 00:57:12,470
Time did it.

1084
00:57:12,554 --> 00:57:14,639
Smash! Smash!

1085
00:57:14,722 --> 00:57:16,599
-Smash!
-Is that really you?

1086
00:57:16,683 --> 00:57:18,810
-Oh yeah.
-Dude, come here, please. Please.

1087
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:20,103
Hey, smash!

1088
00:57:20,186 --> 00:57:24,232
Can you buy me a bottle
if you can take 17 pictures of me?

1089
00:57:24,315 --> 00:57:26,776
-This is a video. We'll give you a beer.
-Smash guy!

1090
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:29,028
-Smash!
-Smash!

1091
00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:30,655
-Smash!
-Oh shit!

1092
00:57:31,197 --> 00:57:32,574
Smash! Smash!

1093
00:57:32,657 --> 00:57:35,285
-Smash!
-Fucking hero right here.

1094
00:57:35,368 --> 00:57:36,953
-Smash!
-[man] Oh!

1095
00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:39,247
[indistinct chatter]

1096
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:42,208
I didn't realize
he had become very famous,

1097
00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:46,212
and there's real, genuine people out there
who wanted to reach out

1098
00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:49,090
and say, "Way to go, buddy,"
and, "Hey, we're here for you."

1099
00:57:49,174 --> 00:57:51,801
And I don't think
that part was necessarily bad.

1100
00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:54,762
Loves people.
Very much an outgoing person.

1101
00:57:55,847 --> 00:57:59,476
But I was a bit concerned
because he's a very trusting person,

1102
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,811
and I know
that not everybody should be trusted.

1103
00:58:01,895 --> 00:58:06,900
"Are you the real Kai? Are you
the real Kai? Is that really you?"

1104
00:58:06,983 --> 00:58:08,443
"Did that really happen?"

1105
00:58:08,526 --> 00:58:12,322
And it's, like,
if you was a lot bigger than you are,

1106
00:58:12,405 --> 00:58:14,407
I'd just reach out,
and I'd be like, "Smack!"

1107
00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:15,700
"Does that feel real?"

1108
00:58:15,783 --> 00:58:18,870
Caleb is a person
who's always led with his heart.

1109
00:58:19,662 --> 00:58:21,873
And because of that, he's very trusting.

1110
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:25,168
I'm not sure
that's always healthy for people,

1111
00:58:25,251 --> 00:58:27,879
and I certainly see
in the situation with my son

1112
00:58:27,962 --> 00:58:31,883
where I'm not sure it was the best, um,

1113
00:58:31,966 --> 00:58:37,055
in that it… I think it put him
in a situation that possibly set him up.

1114
00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:38,932
[woman] What do you mean?

1115
00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:41,851
As in that he
was trusting the wrong people.

1116
00:58:53,571 --> 00:58:56,491
[reporter] Concerns this morning
in a New Jersey neighborhood

1117
00:58:56,574 --> 00:58:59,869
as police try to solve
the killing of a well-known attorney.

1118
00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:02,830
The 73-year-old victim
was discovered inside his home

1119
00:59:02,914 --> 00:59:05,333
on Starlite Drive in Clark.

1120
00:59:05,416 --> 00:59:09,504
That's where Joseph Galfy lived
for the past 15 years.

1121
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:14,217
Friends knew something was wrong
when Galfy didn't show up for work Monday.

1122
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:19,847
They called 911, and police found him
inside his home beaten to death.

1123
00:59:22,976 --> 00:59:27,021
I'm Bob Ellenport, friend of Joe Galfy,
my backyard neighbor.

1124
00:59:27,105 --> 00:59:31,401
I received a phone call
from Joe Galfy's secretary,

1125
00:59:31,484 --> 00:59:35,071
and it said
that Joe was scheduled to be in court,

1126
00:59:35,154 --> 00:59:36,781
and he didn't show up,

1127
00:59:36,864 --> 00:59:39,742
and she couldn't reach him
on his, uh, cell phone.

1128
00:59:39,826 --> 00:59:43,371
Could I check and see if anyone was home?

1129
00:59:43,454 --> 00:59:45,873
And so I walked over

1130
00:59:45,957 --> 00:59:48,960
and saw that the Sunday newspaper

1131
00:59:49,043 --> 00:59:52,422
and the Monday newspaper
were still on Joe's front stoop.

1132
00:59:53,923 --> 00:59:56,593
[man] Joseph Galfy's New York Times
was still on the front porch.

1133
00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:59,637
That was kind of odd because he was
a guy who stuck to his schedule.

1134
00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:02,223
He was, uh, somebody
who picked up his paper every morning.

1135
01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:04,976
So the fact that it was there
was concerning enough

1136
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:06,936
to call the police to do a welfare check.

1137
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:09,188
[man] The home itself,

1138
01:00:09,272 --> 01:00:11,274
everything looked in place,

1139
01:00:11,357 --> 01:00:12,900
nothing ransacked.

1140
01:00:12,984 --> 01:00:17,030
But as they go room to room
and eventually get to the master bedroom

1141
01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:20,617
is where they discover
Joe Galfy's lifeless body.

1142
01:00:23,786 --> 01:00:27,707
He's on the floor, you know,
just clothed in underwear and socks,

1143
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:29,334
lying in a pool of blood.

1144
01:00:29,834 --> 01:00:32,211
Once you go into a house,
basically any house,

1145
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:34,172
you're looking for signs of a struggle.

1146
01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:37,592
Were things out of place?
Were drawers ransacked?

1147
01:00:37,675 --> 01:00:39,302
Things toppled over?

1148
01:00:39,802 --> 01:00:41,638
But this house didn't have any of that.

1149
01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:45,850
This house was very neat, very organized.
There was no forced entry.

1150
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,312
But then in the family room,

1151
01:00:49,395 --> 01:00:52,565
there's a laptop
on a stand next to a chair,

1152
01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:55,652
and under the computer is a phone number

1153
01:00:56,277 --> 01:00:58,112
with the name "Lawrence Kai."

1154
01:00:58,613 --> 01:01:02,492
We didn't know who Kai was
until we googled him.

1155
01:01:03,785 --> 01:01:06,329
And up popped a video.

1156
01:01:06,954 --> 01:01:09,374
And in the video, he had a hatchet,

1157
01:01:09,457 --> 01:01:12,377
and he described
exactly what he was doing,

1158
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:16,089
and I believe it was, "Bam! Bam! Bam!"

1159
01:01:16,964 --> 01:01:18,675
Made you stop and think.

1160
01:01:18,758 --> 01:01:21,260
Could he be responsible
for something like this?

1161
01:01:21,761 --> 01:01:25,890
So as we're scouring the master bedroom
where… where Mr. Galfy's body was found,

1162
01:01:25,973 --> 01:01:29,727
one of the detectives
brought to my attention a train ticket,

1163
01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:32,438
and the date of the ticket
was the day before.

1164
01:01:32,522 --> 01:01:36,150
Sunday. It was Mother's Day, 9:38 a.m.

1165
01:01:36,234 --> 01:01:39,195
So we sent people to the train station
to see if there's video.

1166
01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:43,408
And we're looking to see
if we could see the deceased Mr. Galfy.

1167
01:01:46,494 --> 01:01:49,580
[Rob]
We don't get video right away oftentimes,

1168
01:01:49,664 --> 01:01:51,165
but in this case, we did.

1169
01:01:53,501 --> 01:01:56,379
And in the video, you could see Mr. Galfy,

1170
01:01:56,462 --> 01:01:59,382
and you can clearly see him
purchase a ticket,

1171
01:01:59,465 --> 01:02:03,386
and he takes the ticket, and he turns,
and he gives it to somebody off-camera.

1172
01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:13,604
And you can see
it's another male, longish hair,

1173
01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:17,900
sorta curly, with a backpack,
and they're waiting for the train to come.

1174
01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:25,950
[Dean] So we have this information
on this Internet phenom,

1175
01:02:26,033 --> 01:02:27,785
Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker,

1176
01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:31,122
as I think they named him
out in California.

1177
01:02:31,205 --> 01:02:34,917
And we're looking at this video
of New Jersey Transit

1178
01:02:35,001 --> 01:02:37,462
and saying to ourselves,
"Is this possible?"

1179
01:02:37,962 --> 01:02:40,256
"Is this the same guy out in California?"

1180
01:02:44,135 --> 01:02:45,845
So a call was made

1181
01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:48,222
to the Fresno, California
police department.

1182
01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:52,101
I talked to this detective
who has a pretty heavy East Coast accent.

1183
01:02:52,185 --> 01:02:54,395
He says, "Hey, we're looking for a guy."

1184
01:02:54,479 --> 01:02:58,065
"Uh, he might be involved in a murder,
but we're not sure at this point."

1185
01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:01,194
"It's some homeless guy.
He was in Fresno a while back,"

1186
01:03:01,277 --> 01:03:03,613
and I say, "Kai? Are you looking for Kai?"

1187
01:03:03,696 --> 01:03:06,157
And he's like,
"Give me all the information you have,"

1188
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,784
so I get him everything I have.

1189
01:03:07,867 --> 01:03:10,995
And when we gave him
the name we had, Lawrence Kai,

1190
01:03:11,078 --> 01:03:15,458
they said, "Oh yeah, we know him as Kai,
but his name is Caleb McGillvary."

1191
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:19,212
He kinda puts the phone away,
and I can hear him yell to the room, like,

1192
01:03:19,295 --> 01:03:21,255
"Hey, we finally found the motherfucker!"

1193
01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:25,259
You know, it was an a-ha moment for us.
It was, "Bingo. I think we have the guy."

1194
01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:29,722
And we learned from them
that this guy's a nomad.

1195
01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:31,432
He lives off the earth.

1196
01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:33,935
He lives off the kindness of others.

1197
01:03:34,018 --> 01:03:35,561
He's an opportunist.

1198
01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:39,357
So the chance of him
traveling cross-country

1199
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,151
and being in New York is likely.

1200
01:03:42,235 --> 01:03:47,448
It gave us further confirmation
that this guy, Kai, is our suspect.

1201
01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:49,158
[Rob] So now we had to find Kai

1202
01:03:49,242 --> 01:03:51,661
He had a phone, but that was dead.

1203
01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:54,872
So then it was out to the public.
We released a press statement.

1204
01:03:54,956 --> 01:03:57,750
Breaking news. Minutes ago,
we learned who police are searching for

1205
01:03:57,834 --> 01:03:59,836
in the murder of a lawyer
in Clark, New Jersey.

1206
01:03:59,961 --> 01:04:03,339
Wait until you hear
who they are looking for.

1207
01:04:03,422 --> 01:04:05,299
Caleb Lawrence McGillvary.

1208
01:04:05,383 --> 01:04:11,013
You might also know him
as Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker.

1209
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,475
He should be considered
armed and dangerous.

1210
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:15,852
They don't know where he is.

1211
01:04:15,935 --> 01:04:19,689
He relies on the generosity of strangers
for food and lodging.

1212
01:04:19,772 --> 01:04:21,899
Remember, he's a hitchhiker.
He could be anywhere.

1213
01:04:22,483 --> 01:04:24,819
Will he try to kill again?
Will he kill again?

1214
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:29,073
The thrill of the hunt is on.

1215
01:04:33,786 --> 01:04:35,788
[Jessob] I immediately reached out to him.

1216
01:04:35,872 --> 01:04:38,708
I wanna talk to him and figure out
what the fuck is going on.

1217
01:04:39,208 --> 01:04:43,087
When you find out that the authorities
are, you know, looking for someone

1218
01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:46,966
that you've kind of grown to care about
and you have a nice relationship with,

1219
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:49,302
now they're looking,
you know, at him for murder,

1220
01:04:49,385 --> 01:04:50,761
I'm a mental mess.

1221
01:04:51,637 --> 01:04:54,599
[Shirley] One of my sons
that lived close to me came to the door.

1222
01:04:54,682 --> 01:04:56,976
I said, "How are you doing?"
He said, "Mom, have you heard?"

1223
01:04:57,476 --> 01:04:58,811
I said, "Have I heard what?"

1224
01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:01,480
He said, "Have you heard
that Caleb's wanted for murder?"

1225
01:05:02,231 --> 01:05:03,399
And I'm like,

1226
01:05:04,483 --> 01:05:07,612
"Nope, haven't heard that.
Crap, what happened?"

1227
01:05:07,695 --> 01:05:11,032
My name is Ted Romankow.
I'm the Union County prosecutor.

1228
01:05:11,824 --> 01:05:17,663
Uh, we're here today to announce
that an arrest warrant has been issued

1229
01:05:17,747 --> 01:05:21,918
for the arrest of,
uh, Caleb, uh, McGillvary.

1230
01:05:22,001 --> 01:05:24,795
We felt he was dangerous.
I mean, here's a man who was…

1231
01:05:24,879 --> 01:05:27,798
He attacked someone
in California with a hatchet.

1232
01:05:27,882 --> 01:05:30,718
He didn't know that driver
more than a few hours,

1233
01:05:30,801 --> 01:05:32,345
and he attacked him.

1234
01:05:32,428 --> 01:05:34,889
And he was roaming around
our area somewhere,

1235
01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:37,475
and we thought
he was an extremely dangerous character,

1236
01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:39,560
so we advised the public of that.

1237
01:05:40,978 --> 01:05:43,606
We don't know where he is, but we do know

1238
01:05:43,689 --> 01:05:46,275
that this man is
used to being on the road,

1239
01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:49,987
and he is considered dangerous.

1240
01:05:50,071 --> 01:05:51,572
Make no mistake about it.

1241
01:05:51,656 --> 01:05:53,908
He is considered armed and dangerous.

1242
01:05:56,661 --> 01:05:57,954
[Lisa] My first thought is, like,

1243
01:05:58,037 --> 01:06:01,082
"Holy fucking shit.
Like, this guy stayed at my house."

1244
01:06:01,165 --> 01:06:03,793
"I could've been killed.
You know, something could've happened."

1245
01:06:04,627 --> 01:06:07,129
I thought,
"Are the police even gonna find this guy?"

1246
01:06:07,213 --> 01:06:09,048
'Cause he can easily disappear.

1247
01:06:10,675 --> 01:06:13,636
I knew that Kai as a witness
was hard to track down,

1248
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,264
and I kinda had
some sympathy for the detectives with,

1249
01:06:17,348 --> 01:06:20,059
"How are they gonna track him down
as a suspect?"

1250
01:06:21,852 --> 01:06:24,563
I got flooded with emails,
flooded with messages,

1251
01:06:24,647 --> 01:06:26,649
because we're always gonna be linked.

1252
01:06:27,608 --> 01:06:28,985
And it sucked.

1253
01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:30,152
I mean, it sucked

1254
01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:35,199
because, you know, all I ever wanted
was good things for this guy.

1255
01:06:35,282 --> 01:06:40,204
Now… he's wanted
for possibly killing someone.

1256
01:06:40,287 --> 01:06:43,332
It blew my mind. "What do you mean
there's a manhunt for Kai?

1257
01:06:43,416 --> 01:06:44,875
"What's going on with Kai?"

1258
01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:48,129
And it's all, "He killed
a 70-something-odd-year-old man."

1259
01:06:48,629 --> 01:06:50,089
It's like, "No."

1260
01:06:50,172 --> 01:06:53,009
Three months ago,
I'm searching for this guy

1261
01:06:53,092 --> 01:06:56,345
to put him on television
so we can all enjoy him.

1262
01:06:56,429 --> 01:06:59,348
Three months later,
the police are looking for this guy

1263
01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:03,185
so he can be judged
for killing a human being.

1264
01:07:06,063 --> 01:07:08,607
[Jessob] Two days later,
I still hadn't heard from him.

1265
01:07:09,191 --> 01:07:13,904
And then on Tuesday, May 14th, 2013,

1266
01:07:13,988 --> 01:07:16,157
Kai posted this on Facebook.

1267
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:19,910
"What would you do
if you woke up with a groggy head,

1268
01:07:19,994 --> 01:07:22,997
metallic taste in your mouth,
in a stranger's house…

1269
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,165
walked to the mirror

1270
01:07:24,248 --> 01:07:26,542
and seen come dripping
from the side of your face

1271
01:07:26,625 --> 01:07:28,461
from your mouth, and started retching,

1272
01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:33,507
realizing that someone had drugged, raped,
and blown their fucking load in you?"

1273
01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:36,802
[Alex] And he had this ominous question
at the end. "What would you do?"

1274
01:07:37,303 --> 01:07:38,637
I remember turning to my wife

1275
01:07:38,721 --> 01:07:41,140
and being like,
"This guy just killed someone."

1276
01:07:54,236 --> 01:07:57,073
What I know of Kai,
I know that he has that switch,

1277
01:07:57,156 --> 01:08:02,078
and he has that deep, deep, deep-seated
anger and hatred for assault.

1278
01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:05,039
But, I mean, I just don't believe…

1279
01:08:05,122 --> 01:08:08,209
I don't think he would do
something like that for no reason.

1280
01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:11,670
The manhunt needed to find him
as quickly as possible

1281
01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:14,340
to make sure
that nobody else got hurt along the way.

1282
01:08:19,678 --> 01:08:22,223
The investigation revealed
there were communications

1283
01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:26,894
with a young woman that was a fan of his
that the task force called Fan Number One.

1284
01:08:26,977 --> 01:08:29,939
And this was somebody
who Caleb had met, uh, through Facebook,

1285
01:08:30,022 --> 01:08:31,273
had communicated with,

1286
01:08:31,357 --> 01:08:34,068
uh, somebody who had expressed interest
in hanging out with him.

1287
01:08:34,151 --> 01:08:37,488
They had made plans to get together.
It was Mother's Day.

1288
01:08:49,667 --> 01:08:52,128
Caleb did not follow through
on those plans,

1289
01:08:52,211 --> 01:08:55,339
and they didn't connect
when they were originally supposed to.

1290
01:08:55,422 --> 01:08:57,466
We then know
that, uh, she did not hear from him

1291
01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:59,552
until about nine o'clock that night.

1292
01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:07,309
[line ringing]

1293
01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:11,188
[John] And he repeatedly started calling
and texting her over and over again,

1294
01:09:11,272 --> 01:09:12,439
asking to be picked up,

1295
01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:15,359
asking for, uh, transport
out of the Clark area.

1296
01:09:17,236 --> 01:09:19,446
[line ringing]

1297
01:09:23,659 --> 01:09:27,163
[robotic voice] Your call's been forwarded
to an automatic voice message system.

1298
01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:28,998
Hey, Kim, this is Kai.

1299
01:09:29,081 --> 01:09:31,792
Um, my place fell through.

1300
01:09:31,876 --> 01:09:35,045
I was wondering,
would you still be able to ride up here?

1301
01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:37,631
Um, it'd be really awesome if you could.

1302
01:09:38,132 --> 01:09:40,676
But, yeah, if you could text me back here.

1303
01:09:40,759 --> 01:09:42,803
-My phone keeps dying.
-[static]

1304
01:09:46,348 --> 01:09:50,561
[John] Sunday night into Monday,
Caleb was able to make it down from Rahway

1305
01:09:50,644 --> 01:09:52,229
to go to Asbury Park.

1306
01:09:52,313 --> 01:09:54,607
He met up with Fan Number One.

1307
01:09:54,690 --> 01:09:56,442
They took some photos together,

1308
01:09:56,525 --> 01:09:59,320
and she had told investigators
that she was surprised

1309
01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:01,280
because his appearance was different

1310
01:10:01,363 --> 01:10:04,241
from what she knew
of his video appearances

1311
01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:06,744
as well as his Facebook pictures.

1312
01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:08,579
He had apparently cut his hair,

1313
01:10:08,662 --> 01:10:11,165
which later on
helped in the investigation.

1314
01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:13,667
But now we had a recent picture.

1315
01:10:13,751 --> 01:10:14,919
It showed his short hair.

1316
01:10:15,002 --> 01:10:17,922
It showed his face tattoo
in pretty great detail,

1317
01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:20,799
and that picture went out
around the world.

1318
01:10:35,564 --> 01:10:38,984
[reporter] An employee inside a Starbucks
recognized him

1319
01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:40,694
and quickly called 911.

1320
01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:43,864
[officer] Police arrived.
He was not there.

1321
01:10:43,948 --> 01:10:46,283
Officers began to look
in the immediate area.

1322
01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:50,454
One officer took a chance
and went to the Greyhound bus station,

1323
01:10:50,537 --> 01:10:53,582
saw him in the waiting area,
called for backup,

1324
01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:55,209
and, uh, made an arrest.

1325
01:11:12,351 --> 01:11:14,728
[woman]
Can you just tell us what happened?

1326
01:11:14,812 --> 01:11:16,397
[woman 2] Can you tell us what happened?

1327
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,608
I've been advised by an attorney
not to say anything to you guys.

1328
01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:22,444
I'd like to say thank you
to all the supporters.

1329
01:11:22,528 --> 01:11:23,988
[Jessob] He looked different, for sure.

1330
01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:26,532
His hair was short.
He had that face tattoo.

1331
01:11:26,615 --> 01:11:30,577
I had seen pictures of the face tattoo
before from, like, social media, but…

1332
01:11:34,665 --> 01:11:37,501
And maybe it's because of,
you know, the surrounding situation.

1333
01:11:37,584 --> 01:11:40,337
Now he's in police custody
and, you know, wanted for murder,

1334
01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:42,673
so the perception of him also is changing.

1335
01:11:42,756 --> 01:11:44,425
He's not the hero anymore.
He's the villain.

1336
01:11:44,508 --> 01:11:47,469
In February,
Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker

1337
01:11:47,553 --> 01:11:51,348
risked his life to save the lives
of innocent people in West Fresno.

1338
01:11:51,432 --> 01:11:54,977
Today, he's been arrested
for allegedly taking the life

1339
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:56,854
of a man in New Jersey.

1340
01:11:56,937 --> 01:11:58,063
There's so much sadness,

1341
01:11:58,147 --> 01:12:01,984
having to report that, you know,
this guy that was once a hero

1342
01:12:02,067 --> 01:12:03,819
and, you know, grew to be a friend

1343
01:12:04,445 --> 01:12:08,490
is now in custody for murder
and another gentleman's dead.

1344
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:14,038
[interrogator] Tell us everything you want
to tell us from the beginning of it.

1345
01:12:15,414 --> 01:12:17,249
He met me up in Times Square.

1346
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:19,918
He's like, "Oh, you look lost.
Where you heading to?"

1347
01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:20,878
I says, "Jersey."

1348
01:12:21,378 --> 01:12:24,673
He says, "Oh, I'm… I'm headed there."

1349
01:12:24,757 --> 01:12:27,217
"You want to go get a bite to eat?"
and stuff.

1350
01:12:27,301 --> 01:12:30,220
At first, I thought he was really nice,
and then he fuckin' raped me.

1351
01:12:30,721 --> 01:12:32,181
[interrogator] What did you guys eat?

1352
01:12:32,681 --> 01:12:37,853
Uh, he got some, um, Parmigiano stuff
from an Italian restaurant nearby.

1353
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:40,397
[interrogator]
And then what'd you guys do?

1354
01:12:41,273 --> 01:12:42,775
[Kai] Then we was drinking beer,

1355
01:12:42,858 --> 01:12:47,446
and he wanted to put the beer into a glass
instead of a bottle,

1356
01:12:47,529 --> 01:12:50,699
and, uh, we watched some TV.

1357
01:12:50,783 --> 01:12:53,535
Then I felt sleepy so I went to bed.

1358
01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:54,912
I woke up the next morning,

1359
01:12:54,995 --> 01:12:56,997
and there's a metallic taste in my mouth.

1360
01:12:57,081 --> 01:13:00,584
I looked in the mirror, and there's come
coming down the side of my face.

1361
01:13:01,502 --> 01:13:03,754
-[interrogator] Did you confront him?
-[Kai] No, I didn't.

1362
01:13:03,837 --> 01:13:06,882
[interrogator] Okay. You wake up,
he tells you it's tme to wake up?

1363
01:13:06,965 --> 01:13:11,136
He drove me over to New Jersey Transit
and got me a ticket over to Asbury.

1364
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:13,764
Okay. And what'd you say to him?

1365
01:13:14,973 --> 01:13:16,975
I said goodbye and he says, you know,

1366
01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:18,936
"Call me at this number or email me

1367
01:13:19,019 --> 01:13:22,022
if you ever need a place to stay
for a night or something."

1368
01:13:22,648 --> 01:13:24,483
[interrogator] Then he buys you
a train ticket?

1369
01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:25,776
[Kai] Yeah.

1370
01:13:25,859 --> 01:13:28,904
I went to Asbury to wait for a friend
who said they're gonna meet me

1371
01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:31,073
at, like, one or two,
and five o'clock rolled around,

1372
01:13:31,156 --> 01:13:33,742
they still weren't around,
so I called him back.

1373
01:13:34,326 --> 01:13:36,453
[interrogator]
So your friends don't show up?

1374
01:13:37,162 --> 01:13:39,039
[Kai] No, and I got, uh…

1375
01:13:40,833 --> 01:13:44,253
I got raped. Like, you're saying you're
charging me with first degree murder?

1376
01:13:44,795 --> 01:13:45,712
[interrogator] Right.

1377
01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:48,549
So when your friends don't show up,
what did you do?

1378
01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:52,886
I went back up to see if he'd be able
to put me up for the night.

1379
01:13:53,929 --> 01:13:55,431
And what did you guys do?

1380
01:13:56,056 --> 01:13:58,308
Um, he brought me back over to his place

1381
01:13:58,392 --> 01:14:01,562
and said that, uh,
he didn't wanna order out that night,

1382
01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:03,355
so he gave me some burgers

1383
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:07,401
and, uh, drank a few beers.
That's all I remember.

1384
01:14:07,484 --> 01:14:10,946
After that, I was waking up on the floor
and him trying to pull down my pants.

1385
01:14:11,029 --> 01:14:13,699
[interrogator] Okay. So you wake up
on the floor with your pants down?

1386
01:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,035
-Yeah, he's pulling down my pants.
-[interrogator] Okay.

1387
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:18,871
And how was he dressed?

1388
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:21,999
Uh, he was… he was in his underwear.

1389
01:14:22,082 --> 01:14:23,083
[interrogator] Okay.

1390
01:14:23,834 --> 01:14:25,002
What happens next?

1391
01:14:25,085 --> 01:14:26,170
[Kai] I just hit him.

1392
01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:28,046
He was trying to manhandle me.

1393
01:14:28,547 --> 01:14:31,258
-[interrogator] Okay.
-He threw me around, and I was like…

1394
01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:34,386
What did you hit him with?

1395
01:14:34,887 --> 01:14:37,598
I just… I just hit him.

1396
01:14:38,599 --> 01:14:39,892
[interrogator] With your hands?

1397
01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:43,979
[Kai] Yeah, I don't even remember.
I could've elbowed him.

1398
01:14:44,855 --> 01:14:46,648
Kneed him, I don't know.

1399
01:14:46,732 --> 01:14:49,401
[interrogator] Okay.
So how did you finally get him off you?

1400
01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:53,906
Well, I… I fucking hit him in the head.

1401
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,575
Can I get a drink of water?

1402
01:14:56,658 --> 01:14:59,244
-[interrogator] There's a cup right there.
-No, this is Alex.

1403
01:14:59,328 --> 01:15:00,412
Thank you, sir.

1404
01:15:06,376 --> 01:15:07,669
Ah.

1405
01:15:07,753 --> 01:15:10,255
I should probably be talking to a lawyer,
shouldn't I?

1406
01:15:10,339 --> 01:15:13,050
[interrogator] I can't give you
legal advice. It's up to you.

1407
01:15:13,717 --> 01:15:16,428
-I wanna talk to a lawyer.
-[interrogator] Okay, fair enough.

1408
01:15:17,012 --> 01:15:21,391
Um, the time is approximately 9:50 p.m.

1409
01:15:21,475 --> 01:15:25,103
Um, Mr. Lawrence has decided
to speak to an attorney.

1410
01:15:25,896 --> 01:15:27,481
Once I walk out of this room,

1411
01:15:27,564 --> 01:15:30,734
I won't be able to talk to you again.
Do you have any questions for us?

1412
01:15:30,817 --> 01:15:33,278
What's the penalty of this crime
in New Jersey?

1413
01:15:34,071 --> 01:15:35,697
That's not up to us to decide.

1414
01:15:35,781 --> 01:15:37,616
[interrogator]
That's up to the judge to decide.

1415
01:15:38,408 --> 01:15:39,409
Is the…

1416
01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:42,871
is the death penalty legal
here in New Jersey?

1417
01:15:42,955 --> 01:15:46,291
Um okay, we're done, okay?
You asked for an attorney,

1418
01:15:46,375 --> 01:15:48,460
so we're gonna have to stop talking, okay?

1419
01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:49,545
All right?

1420
01:15:51,588 --> 01:15:53,423
-[interrogator] Good luck.
-Thanks.

1421
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,927
[door closes and locks]

1422
01:15:59,263 --> 01:16:00,389
[sighs]

1423
01:16:02,140 --> 01:16:04,685
[Rob] Kai was trying
to claim self-defense.

1424
01:16:04,768 --> 01:16:06,728
But that's not
what the crime scene told us.

1425
01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:11,191
The crime scene told us
that this person was just beaten to death.

1426
01:16:11,275 --> 01:16:12,609
He's a 74-year-old male.

1427
01:16:13,193 --> 01:16:15,612
It didn't look like
Kai was putting up a fight

1428
01:16:16,113 --> 01:16:18,991
because there's gonna be defensive wounds.

1429
01:16:19,074 --> 01:16:20,450
You're gonna be blocking punches,

1430
01:16:20,534 --> 01:16:22,703
so there's gonna be
bruising, scuffing, scraping.

1431
01:16:22,786 --> 01:16:24,788
Nowhere did anybody say

1432
01:16:24,871 --> 01:16:29,751
they saw Kai with scratches, cuts,
bruises… anything.

1433
01:16:29,835 --> 01:16:33,422
I know that there are situations
where people are drugged

1434
01:16:33,505 --> 01:16:37,634
and are being raped, are being whatever,

1435
01:16:37,718 --> 01:16:41,221
and they wake up from that
and they fight for their lives.

1436
01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:43,849
What does fighting for your life
look like?

1437
01:16:45,767 --> 01:16:48,103
Information started,
you know, trickling out.

1438
01:16:48,186 --> 01:16:50,272
The autopsy report, it was brutal.

1439
01:16:51,148 --> 01:16:53,650
So it made the self-defense in Kai's story

1440
01:16:55,736 --> 01:16:57,446
look a lot more questionable.

1441
01:16:58,780 --> 01:17:01,575
[Rob] Based on the testimony
of the medical examiner,

1442
01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:03,660
he said it looked like he was stomped.

1443
01:17:04,411 --> 01:17:06,705
His eye orbitals were broken.

1444
01:17:06,788 --> 01:17:10,917
These are probably the strongest bones
in your body next to your femur.

1445
01:17:11,001 --> 01:17:13,962
His nose was broken.
Above his nose was broken.

1446
01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:16,715
His ear was almost off,

1447
01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:22,679
and it had a scuff mark on the ear
like that bloodstain in the hallway,

1448
01:17:22,763 --> 01:17:25,807
where you could see
some sort of material in the bloodstain,

1449
01:17:25,891 --> 01:17:28,477
and it sorta looked like that on his ear.

1450
01:17:29,061 --> 01:17:31,813
You don't get that from punching somebody.

1451
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:34,941
You get that from
literally stomping down on their head.

1452
01:17:36,777 --> 01:17:40,656
At this point, it's not a whodunit.
You always wanna know why.

1453
01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:44,242
He said he was sexually assaulted
Saturday night.

1454
01:17:44,326 --> 01:17:49,581
Sunday morning, we have him leaving
and embracing his sexual assaulter,

1455
01:17:50,165 --> 01:17:54,169
and then he contacts the person
who sexually assaulted him

1456
01:17:54,252 --> 01:17:55,671
later on that same day

1457
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:58,840
and comes back to Clark.

1458
01:17:59,883 --> 01:18:03,762
Two and a half weeks
before Kai met Mr. Galfy,

1459
01:18:03,845 --> 01:18:07,641
he posted something disturbing
on Facebook.

1460
01:18:07,724 --> 01:18:10,560
Kai wrote, "A HuffPost article titled,

1461
01:18:10,644 --> 01:18:14,106
'Is Vigilante Pedophile Hunting
A Good Idea?'"

1462
01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:16,400
"You decide! For you!"

1463
01:18:16,483 --> 01:18:18,110
"I'll decide for me."

1464
01:18:19,194 --> 01:18:21,405
[Dean] When arrested, he had printouts

1465
01:18:21,488 --> 01:18:24,449
of sexual predators,
known, convicted predators.

1466
01:18:24,533 --> 01:18:28,036
Did he perceive Joe Galfy as a predator

1467
01:18:28,787 --> 01:18:32,999
and thought he was providing
some type of vigilante justice?

1468
01:18:34,376 --> 01:18:35,460
That I don't know.

1469
01:18:36,503 --> 01:18:40,799
It doesn't make sense
that Joe, who's so mild-mannered

1470
01:18:41,591 --> 01:18:44,177
and wants to help, would attack somebody.

1471
01:18:45,303 --> 01:18:49,307
But drugged and raped him?
Doesn't sound like Joe, does it?

1472
01:18:49,391 --> 01:18:50,642
Doesn't sound like Joe

1473
01:18:50,726 --> 01:18:53,687
and also Joe physically

1474
01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:57,190
is not Arnold Schwarzenegger at 70.

1475
01:18:57,274 --> 01:19:01,486
Um, he's just not.
Um, you know, as much as I liked Joe,

1476
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:06,783
uh, I would not, you know,
rely upon him in a, uh, fistfight.

1477
01:19:11,288 --> 01:19:15,083
[Ted] There's a moment in time
when somebody murders someone

1478
01:19:16,042 --> 01:19:19,421
that there's that fear
on the victim's part

1479
01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:22,257
that, "I'm gonna die."

1480
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,180
Every time we talked about this
in our office,

1481
01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:31,641
we would say that
we were always the voice of the victim.

1482
01:19:31,725 --> 01:19:34,019
That's what the prosecutor's office
is all about.

1483
01:19:34,102 --> 01:19:39,441
And there was a moment in time,
no matter what Mr. Galfy was doing,

1484
01:19:39,524 --> 01:19:41,526
he would have had that fear.

1485
01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:47,073
[Bob] I could see a situation
where Kai's put into a rage,

1486
01:19:47,157 --> 01:19:50,452
not only hit once
but keep on pounding away,

1487
01:19:50,535 --> 01:19:53,955
and pounding away
as Joe tries to escape down the hallway

1488
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:56,792
and just bleeds his way to die.

1489
01:19:58,376 --> 01:19:59,419
I'm angry.

1490
01:20:00,170 --> 01:20:03,131
It's a murder, clear and simple,

1491
01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:06,468
and Joe was too good a guy

1492
01:20:06,551 --> 01:20:11,097
to have been killed, uh,
for almost nothing.

1493
01:20:12,349 --> 01:20:14,851
And nobody knows. Nobody knows why.

1494
01:20:16,102 --> 01:20:19,439
With this guy's past, I mean,
I don't think it's a surprise

1495
01:20:19,523 --> 01:20:21,650
that he would snap
and do something like that.

1496
01:20:21,733 --> 01:20:24,110
I don't think it was self-defense.

1497
01:20:24,194 --> 01:20:27,322
I really believe
that this guy is innocent.

1498
01:20:27,405 --> 01:20:32,244
[man] He goes from hero to wanted man
in three months. How should I feel here?

1499
01:20:32,327 --> 01:20:34,621
[man 2]
I want Kai to be free and just going on--

1500
01:20:34,704 --> 01:20:36,748
-[man 3] You like the viralness of him.
-[man 2] Yeah!

1501
01:20:36,832 --> 01:20:39,668
[man 3] Is this a guardian angel?
Or a stone-cold killer?

1502
01:20:39,751 --> 01:20:41,294
[woman] Let us know in the comments.

1503
01:20:42,921 --> 01:20:46,299
There is a difference
between the court of public opinion

1504
01:20:46,383 --> 01:20:48,301
and an actual superior court.

1505
01:20:48,385 --> 01:20:51,304
And a jury in an actual superior court

1506
01:20:51,888 --> 01:20:55,183
listen to the facts of the case
that the prosecutor's office put forward,

1507
01:20:55,267 --> 01:20:58,937
they listen to the facts of the case
what Caleb's side had to say,

1508
01:20:59,020 --> 01:21:00,564
uh, and ultimately decided

1509
01:21:00,647 --> 01:21:03,733
that the prosecutor's office
had done their job well.

1510
01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,862
[Jessob] The trial was several days,

1511
01:21:06,945 --> 01:21:12,325
and the jury and everyone saw
a different side of Kai than I saw,

1512
01:21:12,409 --> 01:21:17,372
and at the end of the trial, the judge had
some pretty poignant and powerful words.

1513
01:21:17,455 --> 01:21:19,749
Judge Robert Kirsch called Kai

1514
01:21:19,833 --> 01:21:22,669
"a powder keg of explosive rage."

1515
01:21:22,752 --> 01:21:25,881
"You created this public image
of a free spirit,

1516
01:21:25,964 --> 01:21:29,092
but underneath that free spirit,
the jury saw another side of you."

1517
01:21:29,718 --> 01:21:33,096
"A cold-blooded,
calculated, callous killer."

1518
01:21:35,015 --> 01:21:36,266
[Kai] The jury didn't believe me

1519
01:21:36,349 --> 01:21:39,227
because people are used to
when a rape survivor isn't believed,

1520
01:21:39,311 --> 01:21:41,187
the rapist is presumed innocent.

1521
01:21:41,271 --> 01:21:44,107
But this was never a rape trial.
The rapist is dead.

1522
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:47,861
This was a homicide trial.
Self-defense against rape is a right.

1523
01:21:47,944 --> 01:21:50,030
But they told the jury
the burden was on me

1524
01:21:50,113 --> 01:21:53,617
to prove intoxication and rape
by clear and convincing evidence.

1525
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:55,911
But I deserve
the same presumption of innocence,

1526
01:21:55,994 --> 01:21:58,204
unless proven guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt,

1527
01:21:58,288 --> 01:22:02,417
that's given to the seven of eight rapists
that beat their charges and walk free.

1528
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:07,380
I met Kai in this heroic… situation,

1529
01:22:07,464 --> 01:22:09,549
and this judge, I get it,

1530
01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:12,177
you know, he only saw the bad side of Kai

1531
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:14,262
and, you know,
was put through this whole trial,

1532
01:22:14,346 --> 01:22:17,766
which was brutal 'cause of the crime scene
and stuff like that, so, um…

1533
01:22:18,516 --> 01:22:20,977
The "cold-blooded" part
and the "for no reason," I just…

1534
01:22:21,061 --> 01:22:22,395
Man, I don't know.

1535
01:22:25,231 --> 01:22:26,358
I don't know.

1536
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,819
Why did nobody see that he was dangerous?

1537
01:22:29,903 --> 01:22:31,154
I think people did.

1538
01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:34,032
I think… I think there was people

1539
01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:37,994
who, you know,
rightfully thought he was dangerous.

1540
01:22:38,078 --> 01:22:41,498
I mean, not… not on my end, you know…

1541
01:22:41,581 --> 01:22:45,377
And it wasn't 'cause I wanted to get
this guy on TV so bad

1542
01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:49,381
that I believed him,
that I was putting down some fear of him,

1543
01:22:49,464 --> 01:22:54,010
or I was discounting other people's fear
because this helped me in some way.

1544
01:22:54,678 --> 01:22:57,889
It was because I didn't see it. It was
because I didn't believe it, you know.

1545
01:22:57,973 --> 01:23:00,183
I wasn't trying to minimize
anybody else's fears

1546
01:23:00,266 --> 01:23:02,477
because it benefited me. I just…

1547
01:23:03,895 --> 01:23:05,689
I just… I saw what I thought I saw,

1548
01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:08,108
and I wanted to help
the person I thought I saw.

1549
01:23:08,608 --> 01:23:10,235
And, you know, I was wrong.

1550
01:23:13,363 --> 01:23:18,159
[Bob] I think the media had something
to blame for the creation of Kai.

1551
01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:21,663
I've yet to see any analysis

1552
01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:26,543
of anyone in the media saying,
"Boy, did we make a mistake?"

1553
01:23:26,626 --> 01:23:32,674
"Did we create this celebrity and monster
without doing our homework?"

1554
01:23:33,633 --> 01:23:37,345
I think what Bob's saying
is if you're going to glorify someone,

1555
01:23:37,429 --> 01:23:39,347
you better know who you're glorifying.

1556
01:23:39,431 --> 01:23:43,685
I can sit here and say I did everything
the right way and tried to…

1557
01:23:45,353 --> 01:23:49,024
tried to do everything for him
and have him be successful and happy

1558
01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:54,029
and… I don't know,
expose the good in him and hide the bad,

1559
01:23:54,112 --> 01:23:55,864
and I just couldn't, I guess.

1560
01:23:55,947 --> 01:23:57,615
No one could, I guess.

1561
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,494
[Shirley] In our communication,
I've told him before,

1562
01:24:01,578 --> 01:24:03,663
if ever he wants me to visit him, I will.

1563
01:24:03,747 --> 01:24:05,415
Right now he's said no.

1564
01:24:05,999 --> 01:24:08,334
I don't know if I ever will see him again.

1565
01:24:09,377 --> 01:24:13,298
[Brad] There's no more home-free.
There's no more Dogtown.

1566
01:24:13,381 --> 01:24:16,301
There's no more anything, ever.

1567
01:24:16,926 --> 01:24:21,431
Your address is gonna be
your address forever,

1568
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,435
and this is a guy
who never wanted an address.

1569
01:24:26,561 --> 01:24:27,687
[exhales]

1570
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:30,565
Good God.

1571
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:33,151
[ominous music playing]