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<i>♪ I'm looking up ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Cause baby I've been down ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I'm looking up ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Tired of bringing you down ♪</i>

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(police radio chatter)

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When I got there, they had
the scene very well secured.

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They had the entire block taped off.

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Front door wide open, little music playing

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in the background, candles are lit inside.

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Very violent confrontation. Rage.

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Two victims, blood everywhere.

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We find a glove... It's a left glove...

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and a blood trail indicating the

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suspect has been wounded on the left side.

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So we're just getting into this when we

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find out that this is apparently
OJ Simpson's estranged wife.

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We have two children asleep.

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I have a very brutal murder.

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Someone's gotta make a death
notification of next of kin.

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Which is Simpson.

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Lang and Vannatter were talking

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and they called me over and said,

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"You were at Simpson's house once, right?

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We want you to take us up there."

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We pull close to the gate.

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Vannatter was hitting the doorbell,

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they keep ringing the doorbell

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and so I just stroll down the street.

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(ominous music)

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By the other gate, there's a white Bronco.

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On the driver's side door handle, blood.

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I mean there was enough evidence outside,

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we gotta make sure
everybody's okay in here.

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Oh God, what are we going to
do, Simpson's in there dead.

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Well, yeah, we need to go in.

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So I jumped up over the
fence and I opened the gate.

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(ominous music)

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Bang on the front door, nothing.

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Walk around to the back,
there's a couple of bungalows.

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The first one was Kato Kaelin's.

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Kato Kaelin was a live-in...

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... friend.

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We say to the police,
"Check on Mr. Simpson."

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OJ's in Chicago.

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Well, he left last night.

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Oh, thank God.

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They all leave and I'm
left here with Kato Kaelin.

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I go "Tell me what you did last night."

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He goes, "Well I was talking on the phone

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and all a sudden there
was, like, an earthquake.

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It was just like... (pounding)

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... on the wall and pictures shook."

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Okay.

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I walk back outside and I start walking

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down the back, behind the bungalows.

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And then as I pan down,

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I see this brown, glistening...

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At first I thought it was dog crap.

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And then I shined a
light on it. It's a glove.

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Just like the one... Ed Bundy...

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Uh, yeah, this is gonna get deep.

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This is gonna be a crime scene.

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(ominous music)

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I make the decision to make a telephonic

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to the Brown family
and I talk to Lou Brown

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and say that your daughter Nicole is dead.

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It's quiet for about two seconds then

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all this screaming. It's
Nicole's sister, Denise.

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"I knew that motherfucker,
he was gonna kill,

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I knew he was gonna do this."

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I mean, she didn't hesitate.

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Nobody comes unglued like that

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unless they have a strong suspicion.

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We gotta look at it a
little differently now.

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We lock everything
down, no more searching,

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can't do anything until we get a warrant.

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Phil Vannatter called me and said,

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"I've got some information; I
need to get a search warrant.

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I need you to tell me if
you think it sounds okay."

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And he just summarized the
evidence and it was huge.

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Okay, yeah, go ahead, get the
search warrant, you're fine.

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And he said, "You know who it is?

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It's OJ Simpson."

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OJ Simpson?

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Um...

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I was never into sports,

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so I didn't even know what game he played.

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I thought he was a has-been.

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Monday afternoon came around,

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Simpson came back from
Chicago and they handcuff him.

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It was quite surprising.

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Your ex-husband's always
a suspect in a case.

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Okay, wow. (laughing) Here we go.

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(ominous music)

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He said he's gonna talk to
us, which is really strange.

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You have one opportunity forever

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to talk to this guy, forever.

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He's thinking he can
control a couple of cops.

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Especially these guys 'cause,
you know, they're pretty nice.

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What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was

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simply to pin him down on what

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he did on the day of the murder.

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OJ just rambled and created an interview

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transcript that was
useless to the prosecution.

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What do you mean, you were running

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around doing what you do?

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What do you mean?

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What do you mean you
cut yourself in Chicago

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but the blood got on the
Bronco before you left.

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What do you mean?

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There's a million things
that they just let go.

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Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh.

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Oh my God.

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What I wanted was his blood, photographs

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taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his

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fingerprints now that
we've got his cooperation.

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We get the blood, we get all these things

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we want which are going to be evidence.

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And then, ya know, he's released.

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What?

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Why would you do that?

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If he was any other guy,
would you have let him go?

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And they said, "Where can he go?

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After all, what can he do?"

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I mean, everybody recognizes him.

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(orchestral music)

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When I went over to Rockingham,

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he had like three TV's

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and each and every one of them,

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he had a different channel on.

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Suspect, what are you talking about?

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Is he crazy?

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And I said, "OJ, what
happened to your finger?"

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And he says, "I cut it
on a glass in Chicago."

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And I went oh, okay.

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Somebody else sat down and
asked him the same question

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and he said, "I was chipping golf balls."

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And I went, uh-hmm, later on that evening,

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same question came out,
"Oh man, I was getting

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the cell phone out of
the Bronco, cut myself."

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I was like, wow.

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I tried to leave there and
OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."

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and he says, "They asked me to take

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a lie detector test.

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I told them no."

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I said, "What do you
mean, you told them no?"

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And he says, you know, jokingly, he says

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"Well, you know to be truthful, Shipp,

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I have had dreams of killing her."

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I wanted to leave.

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I said, "I'm outta here."

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Here, at OJ Simpson's home,

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in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood,

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the world media has
settled in to the siege.

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Against the public backdrop,

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police are quietly,
methodically reconstructing

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the events of last Sunday
evening to answer the question:

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Could this American sports
hero, possibly, be a murderer?

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(deep bass music)

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(jet engines)

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At the time that this murder took place,

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OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine

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to take him to the airport

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for a promotional event in Chicago.

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OJ Simpson has described

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him as his quarterback.

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He is defense attorney Robert Shapiro.

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I agree with that assessment.

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(upbeat music)

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He was known as the fixer.

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He was a Hollywood lawyer.

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He was not know as a
"trial dogg" with two G's.

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You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal.

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Bob had never tried a murder case.

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And so when he called me in June

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and said, "I need some
help in the OJ case."

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I was more than ready.

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Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro

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on some of his other cases

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and I was pretty successful.

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So they recruited me as
the defense investigator.

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OJ was putting together his team.

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They sent a guy over to me.

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"Hey man, we're putting
together this thing."

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"We're going to need you, OJ needs you."

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And I said, "I'm not on board."

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And I'll never forget that
investigator's look on his face.

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He said, "What?"

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I said, "OJ killed her, I'm not on board."

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(piano music)

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I gotta say, I have a lot of fun with her.

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At times, I felt like a
big brother to her 'cause

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I'd come over there and
she'd share things with me.

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And I kinda felt special that she thought

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enough of me to tell me her problems.

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She's a great human being.

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Thank you.

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(applause)

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I remember early in...

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in the years that her and OJ was dating,

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we were all down in the Caribbean.

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OJ was working on a film,

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and if a lot of don't know,
I'm gonna let you know now,

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blacks can not swim, we can't float.

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(laughter)

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Justin can.

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Well, thank God, well
he got that from his mom.

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So, we're out in the saltwater, right?

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And Nicole is out there
looking like, you know,

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she was made to swim,
she's backstroking and

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she's doing all these things.

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So, here's OJ and I, we're standing

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on the shore and she's waving us in.

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(laughter)

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Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean.

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Everything down there floats.

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OJ and I got out there
and we tried to float,

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and she thought that's the funniest thing

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she'd ever seen in her life.

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She could not believe it.

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And one of the things about Nicole,

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which all of you will
agree, was Nicole's laugh.

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Once that woman laughed,

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she was, uh...

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She brought out a lot of goodness in you.

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Nicole was very, very special to me.

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That was my buddy.

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And, um...

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And I know, Sydney and Justin,

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you've been blessed because of a lot

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of her character and
the goodness about her.

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You're not going to notice it now,

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but you're going to
notice it as you get older

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cause she's laid a great
foundation for you two.

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I love you, Nicole, and
I love you too, Jason.

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I mean Justin and Sydney

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and I'll always will be there for you.

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(applause)

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OJ Simpson may soon face legal action.

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The Associated Press
says a homicide detective

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has told them Simpson's
arrest is imminent.

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It is not only OJ Simpson's life

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that is coming under the media microscope.

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Reporters are looking,
too, at Ronald Goldman,

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the aspiring model, who was
killed with Nicole Simpson.

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His family said he was
nothing more than a friend.

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He was a special human being

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that didn't deserve what's happened.

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He was gonna open a restaurant.

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After Ron was murdered,
we went to his apartment.

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He had a floor plan, he had a menu,

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he had names of people whose art

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he was gonna hang on the wall.

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He had everything worked out.

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Obviously, this is your older brother.

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We don't get to spend
very much time together,

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so I'm very glad that
I was able to be here.

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So I love you very much
and I'll see you soon.

260
00:17:42,617 --> 00:17:44,884
That was all taken away.

261
00:17:54,529 --> 00:17:58,531
My sister's body was gonna
be behind closed doors.

262
00:17:58,533 --> 00:18:01,867
I said to my friend,
"I can't go in there."

263
00:18:03,638 --> 00:18:05,137
And as I'm having this conversation

264
00:18:05,139 --> 00:18:07,606
with them I'm hearing screams.

265
00:18:10,645 --> 00:18:13,846
Looking at her I can remember a black

266
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dress up to her neck because

267
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,455
what I had heard is that her head was

268
00:18:22,457 --> 00:18:24,623
almost cut off all the way.

269
00:18:24,625 --> 00:18:28,327
Which even shocked me more and more.

270
00:18:28,329 --> 00:18:30,029
I mean that was just like...

271
00:18:31,499 --> 00:18:37,002
and seeing her there,
lying there in a coffin.

272
00:18:37,004 --> 00:18:40,873
I mean, it really, I mean,

273
00:18:40,875 --> 00:18:43,576
I don't know, it's just terrible.

274
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He came to the wake.

275
00:18:52,487 --> 00:18:55,421
It was just unbelievable.

276
00:18:56,991 --> 00:19:00,960
We were all kind of in
shock that he came there.

277
00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:06,832
Judy asked him directly,
did you kill my daughter?

278
00:19:06,834 --> 00:19:10,503
No, no. I loved her too much.

279
00:19:14,275 --> 00:19:16,709
He was, like, on Xanax or something.

280
00:19:16,711 --> 00:19:19,578
He was just sedated.

281
00:19:20,948 --> 00:19:23,249
I leaned over to him and said,

282
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"We're going to get through this."

283
00:19:26,587 --> 00:19:29,088
I had no idea what was going on.

284
00:19:30,725 --> 00:19:33,592
(orchestral music)

285
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:50,776
Action News has learned that Simpson's

286
00:19:50,778 --> 00:19:53,479
attorney is working on a deal with police

287
00:19:53,481 --> 00:19:55,448
for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the

288
00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:59,385
lawyer calls, and we
quote, "a media circus."

289
00:19:59,387 --> 00:20:02,154
(orchestral music)

290
00:20:18,473 --> 00:20:19,839
Shapiro was going to surrender

291
00:20:19,841 --> 00:20:22,575
him to the detectives in the morning.

292
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:31,317
We're standing outside Parker Center

293
00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,752
waiting for OJ to turn himself in.

294
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:39,158
Every time a car would
pass by, is that OJ?

295
00:20:42,196 --> 00:20:43,829
I think it was 11:00.

296
00:20:45,199 --> 00:20:47,833
Oh, no, he doesn't show up.

297
00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:52,872
I think I'd already
scheduled a press conference.

298
00:20:52,874 --> 00:20:54,240
And it's like, oh, no.

299
00:20:55,376 --> 00:20:59,345
We potentially could look
like a bunch of clowns here.

300
00:21:03,384 --> 00:21:07,286
I did not know about the
arrangements for his surrender.

301
00:21:07,288 --> 00:21:08,320
I went with the assumption that they

302
00:21:08,322 --> 00:21:10,289
would announce that he had been arrested.

303
00:21:10,291 --> 00:21:13,292
Gascon's coming up.

304
00:21:13,294 --> 00:21:14,293
Looking out at the auditorium,

305
00:21:14,295 --> 00:21:16,629
not only are all the seats taken,

306
00:21:16,631 --> 00:21:18,063
but all the aisles are jammed,

307
00:21:18,065 --> 00:21:20,733
the front is jammed,
the back wall is jammed.

308
00:21:20,735 --> 00:21:23,302
He's on the stage.

309
00:21:23,304 --> 00:21:24,570
And I was the one who was gonna

310
00:21:24,572 --> 00:21:26,872
have to stand out there naked.

311
00:21:30,878 --> 00:21:34,046
This morning detectives
for the Los Angeles

312
00:21:34,048 --> 00:21:37,883
Police Department sought
and obtained a warrant

313
00:21:37,885 --> 00:21:41,253
for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him

314
00:21:41,255 --> 00:21:43,856
with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson

315
00:21:43,858 --> 00:21:46,091
and Ronald Lyle Goldman.

316
00:21:47,662 --> 00:21:52,631
Mr. Simpson, in agreement
with his attorney,

317
00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:56,435
was scheduled to surrender this morning,

318
00:21:56,437 --> 00:21:58,537
to the Los Angeles Police Department.

319
00:21:58,539 --> 00:22:00,906
Initially, that was 11:00.

320
00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:04,944
It then became 11:45.

321
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,014
Mr. Simpson has not appeared.

322
00:22:13,354 --> 00:22:16,355
The Los Angeles Police
Department, right now,

323
00:22:16,357 --> 00:22:19,959
is actively searching for Mr. Simpson.

324
00:22:22,897 --> 00:22:24,597
The gasp that went through the room,

325
00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:25,965
I think it's right at that moment,

326
00:22:25,967 --> 00:22:28,867
that I realized, oh boy, this is big.

327
00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:31,704
We will continue our
pursuit of Mr. Simpson

328
00:22:31,706 --> 00:22:34,840
and hope to have him in custody soon.

329
00:22:36,477 --> 00:22:38,444
He's gone.

330
00:22:38,446 --> 00:22:39,478
I looked at Marika and said,

331
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,448
"It's a helicopter story now.

332
00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:45,618
Let's find this son of a bitch."

333
00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:47,252
I can take a few questions.

334
00:22:47,254 --> 00:22:50,255
(everyone speaks at once)

335
00:22:50,257 --> 00:22:51,590
I'd known Gascon for a long time

336
00:22:51,592 --> 00:22:54,960
and he's a fairly easygoing guy normally.

337
00:22:54,962 --> 00:22:56,295
You're gonna have to hold it down.

338
00:22:56,297 --> 00:22:58,297
One at a time or won't
be able to hear you.

339
00:22:58,299 --> 00:23:01,133
Then a sense of humor
to add a light touch.

340
00:23:01,135 --> 00:23:03,302
You asked a question, would
you like for me to answer?

341
00:23:03,304 --> 00:23:06,005
He got pretty tightly wound that day.

342
00:23:06,007 --> 00:23:08,474
I doubt that there's
anyone around this country

343
00:23:08,476 --> 00:23:10,109
that's been monitoring television, radio,

344
00:23:10,111 --> 00:23:12,511
or newspapers, that
doesn't know at this point

345
00:23:12,513 --> 00:23:15,547
that something's going on in this case.

346
00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:23,088
If you, in any way, are
assisting Mr. Simpson

347
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:25,824
in avoiding justice, Mr.
Simpson is a fugitive of

348
00:23:25,826 --> 00:23:28,794
justice right now.

349
00:23:28,796 --> 00:23:31,463
And If you assist him in any way,

350
00:23:31,465 --> 00:23:33,899
you are committing a felony.

351
00:23:34,869 --> 00:23:36,802
I was pissed off that we were in essence

352
00:23:36,804 --> 00:23:39,738
given the old Italian gesture.

353
00:23:41,042 --> 00:23:45,778
I don't recall being that
upset before in the DA's office.

354
00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:47,546
I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed.

355
00:23:47,548 --> 00:23:49,882
Angry at who, beyond...

356
00:23:49,884 --> 00:23:51,850
I'm angry at OJ Simpson.

357
00:23:59,694 --> 00:24:02,094
(police radio)

358
00:24:27,755 --> 00:24:30,656
It is not an escape,
he was not under arrest.

359
00:24:30,658 --> 00:24:35,928
He was under sedation in a
very very emotional state.

360
00:24:37,565 --> 00:24:41,834
He was at a residence that is secluded,

361
00:24:41,836 --> 00:24:45,270
that is very, very hard to find,

362
00:24:45,272 --> 00:24:47,873
and there was never any thought of him

363
00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:50,175
leaving that residence without us.

364
00:24:52,747 --> 00:24:56,615
This letter was written by OJ today.

365
00:24:58,018 --> 00:25:02,087
First, everyone understand,

366
00:25:02,089 --> 00:25:05,958
I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder.

367
00:25:07,261 --> 00:25:12,464
I loved her, always have, and always will.

368
00:25:12,466 --> 00:25:18,203
If we had a problem, it's
because I loved her so much.

369
00:25:19,573 --> 00:25:22,608
It's 1700, 5 pm, when you have

370
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:25,611
Karsashian reading the letter.

371
00:25:25,613 --> 00:25:31,617
I thought, wow, maybe he killed himself.

372
00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:36,955
I think of my life and feel I've done most

373
00:25:36,957 --> 00:25:41,193
of the right things, so
why do I end up like this?

374
00:25:42,963 --> 00:25:44,830
I can't go on.

375
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,801
No matter what the outcome,

376
00:25:48,803 --> 00:25:50,836
people will look and point.

377
00:25:51,972 --> 00:25:53,639
I can't take that.

378
00:25:53,641 --> 00:25:58,143
I can't subject my children to that.

379
00:25:58,145 --> 00:26:01,013
We deal with folks who are in crisis

380
00:26:01,015 --> 00:26:07,352
and get to a very dark
place and they just do it.

381
00:26:07,354 --> 00:26:09,388
Don't feel sorry for me.

382
00:26:10,357 --> 00:26:12,457
I've had a great life.

383
00:26:12,459 --> 00:26:14,626
Great friends.

384
00:26:14,628 --> 00:26:19,765
Please think of the real
OJ and not this lost person.

385
00:26:24,138 --> 00:26:30,342
The note says, to me,
feel sorry for me but...

386
00:26:30,344 --> 00:26:32,911
I'm the guy, you know, I'm the bad guy.

387
00:26:35,983 --> 00:26:38,050
He was, Mr. Cawlings was with him,

388
00:26:38,052 --> 00:26:41,820
he was his best friend, he was by his side

389
00:26:41,822 --> 00:26:44,890
for the last few minutes
alone while we were upstairs.

390
00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:49,928
AC just had a love for OJ.

391
00:26:51,699 --> 00:26:55,000
I remember once, in high school,

392
00:26:55,002 --> 00:26:56,301
a friend of mine had a starter

393
00:26:56,303 --> 00:26:59,238
pistol that he brought to school.

394
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,639
So we said okay, let's go,

395
00:27:00,641 --> 00:27:04,476
take the gun and pull it on OJ

396
00:27:04,478 --> 00:27:07,512
and act like we're gonna shoot him.

397
00:27:07,514 --> 00:27:10,315
We were all down for it.

398
00:27:10,317 --> 00:27:15,721
So, we went out on the
field where OJ and Al were

399
00:27:15,723 --> 00:27:18,857
and my friend, Ray, well,
he pulled the gun out

400
00:27:18,859 --> 00:27:21,860
and everybody sorta stepped back.

401
00:27:21,862 --> 00:27:26,899
And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ.

402
00:27:27,835 --> 00:27:32,938
And said, "Ray, if you gonna shoot OJ,

403
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:35,073
you gotta shoot me first."

404
00:27:38,445 --> 00:27:40,946
(police radios)

405
00:27:42,883 --> 00:27:45,784
1993 Ford Bronco.

406
00:27:48,589 --> 00:27:51,757
We're listening to the Los
Angeles Police Department

407
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,759
and they believe that this vehicle

408
00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:57,462
is somewhere in the
vicinity of the El Toro Y.

409
00:27:58,732 --> 00:28:00,933
And I look down below
and there's the El Toro Y.

410
00:28:02,636 --> 00:28:05,037
And there's a white Bronco.

411
00:28:05,973 --> 00:28:07,873
Then there's a sheriff's unit and

412
00:28:07,875 --> 00:28:10,742
there's another sheriff's unit
and another sheriff's unit.

413
00:28:10,744 --> 00:28:13,045
Okay, here we are, open the door.

414
00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:17,749
We get the door open and
we get our very first shot.

415
00:28:17,751 --> 00:28:19,818
And I'm back on the two way radio

416
00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:23,455
telling CBS, you gotta get
us on the air, we found him.

417
00:28:25,125 --> 00:28:27,726
And with a flip of the switch,
we were on with Dan Rather.

418
00:28:27,728 --> 00:28:29,227
This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung

419
00:28:29,229 --> 00:28:30,762
in Los Angeles and let's
hold on a second here.

420
00:28:30,764 --> 00:28:33,966
I'm seeing on the monitor
this live helicopter

421
00:28:33,968 --> 00:28:37,102
coverage of the Ford Bronco
being followed by the police.

422
00:28:37,104 --> 00:28:39,571
And let's pick up some of the

423
00:28:39,573 --> 00:28:41,506
transmission from the helicopter.

424
00:28:41,508 --> 00:28:42,975
They believe he's suicidal

425
00:28:42,977 --> 00:28:44,843
and very dangerous.

426
00:28:44,845 --> 00:28:47,980
Unfortunately at this time it does not

427
00:28:47,982 --> 00:28:50,983
appear as though the
driver is slowing down

428
00:28:50,985 --> 00:28:55,520
or complying with the
orders of the officers.

429
00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:59,091
We were on the air
exclusively for 22 minutes.

430
00:28:59,093 --> 00:29:03,195
And this was the most
conflicted I had every been.

431
00:29:03,197 --> 00:29:04,696
The gravity of the murder, I mean,

432
00:29:04,698 --> 00:29:09,001
this was a double homicide
and this is a tragic story.

433
00:29:09,003 --> 00:29:12,871
Very few human beings
fall as far as OJ Simpson.

434
00:29:12,873 --> 00:29:15,974
I've fallen quite a bit
transitioning, you know,

435
00:29:15,976 --> 00:29:19,778
you go from being like a
hero pilot to some tranny,

436
00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:22,481
you know, so I've fallen
somewhat myself but

437
00:29:22,483 --> 00:29:26,785
this is like an epic fall.

438
00:29:26,787 --> 00:29:29,521
And I'm weighing consequences of this with

439
00:29:29,523 --> 00:29:33,558
also the biggest news story, like, ever.

440
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,726
I'm going to use a

441
00:29:34,728 --> 00:29:36,728
pair of binoculars to try to determine

442
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:40,832
whether or not I can see Mr. Simpson.

443
00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:46,872
Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys.

444
00:29:46,874 --> 00:29:49,374
I hope they shoot this son of a bitch.

445
00:29:49,376 --> 00:29:53,311
And I hope they kill him
before the competitors get here.

446
00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:56,715
(phone ringing)

447
00:29:56,717 --> 00:29:58,550
911, what are you reporting?

448
00:29:58,552 --> 00:30:00,318
This is AC.

449
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,520
I have OJ in the car.

450
00:30:01,522 --> 00:30:03,722
Okay, where are you?

451
00:30:03,724 --> 00:30:05,590
Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway.

452
00:30:05,592 --> 00:30:06,658
Okay.

453
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,026
Right now we are okay.

454
00:30:08,028 --> 00:30:10,095
But you got to tell
the police to back off.

455
00:30:10,097 --> 00:30:12,731
He's still alive, but
he's got a gun to his head.

456
00:30:12,733 --> 00:30:15,567
Okay, hold on a minute, Monica.

457
00:30:15,569 --> 00:30:16,701
He just wants to see his mother.

458
00:30:16,703 --> 00:30:18,270
Let me get him to the house.

459
00:30:18,272 --> 00:30:21,139
Okay, hold on a moment.

460
00:30:22,443 --> 00:30:24,076
Okay, what's your name?

461
00:30:24,078 --> 00:30:25,377
My name is AC.

462
00:30:25,379 --> 00:30:26,445
You know who I am, God dammit.

463
00:30:26,447 --> 00:30:27,846
Okay.

464
00:30:33,253 --> 00:30:35,120
Right now, that OJ's sitting
there is the passenger seat with

465
00:30:35,122 --> 00:30:37,622
a gun pointed at his own head.

466
00:30:39,026 --> 00:30:41,726
Someone turned the TV on and there he is.

467
00:30:41,728 --> 00:30:43,128
14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's

468
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:45,097
Department and Highway Patrol

469
00:30:45,099 --> 00:30:48,100
following behind a good distance.

470
00:30:48,102 --> 00:30:52,604
Oh my God, this isn't
real, this can't be real.

471
00:30:52,606 --> 00:30:54,372
We're dumbfounded.

472
00:30:54,374 --> 00:30:57,576
Law enforcement is following Simpson.

473
00:30:57,578 --> 00:31:00,479
They want him to stop.

474
00:31:00,481 --> 00:31:01,780
Red lights and sirens.

475
00:31:01,782 --> 00:31:03,315
It's not an escort.

476
00:31:04,885 --> 00:31:07,052
Why are they allowing him to continue?

477
00:31:07,054 --> 00:31:08,286
Really, the game plan is

478
00:31:08,288 --> 00:31:10,722
really being conducted by Mr. Simpson

479
00:31:10,724 --> 00:31:12,124
at this point and it's very much like

480
00:31:12,126 --> 00:31:14,226
when the president travels down a major

481
00:31:14,228 --> 00:31:16,895
thoroughfare, like a freeway.

482
00:31:16,897 --> 00:31:19,731
I was wondering, okay, maybe around

483
00:31:19,733 --> 00:31:21,399
the next curve they've got it marked

484
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:24,836
off and they're going
to force him to stop.

485
00:31:24,838 --> 00:31:28,840
It wasn't like they were
going 100 miles an hour.

486
00:31:28,842 --> 00:31:32,677
But I'm not a police tactician.

487
00:31:32,679 --> 00:31:34,179
That was their call.

488
00:31:37,618 --> 00:31:40,585
I've covered so many of these things,

489
00:31:40,587 --> 00:31:43,355
this was not usual police behavior.

490
00:31:44,591 --> 00:31:46,758
If OJ Simpson were black,

491
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,027
that shit wouldn't have happened.

492
00:31:50,831 --> 00:31:54,799
He'd be on the ground getting clubbed.

493
00:31:54,801 --> 00:31:57,969
But since he transcended race and color

494
00:31:57,971 --> 00:32:01,773
to the exalted status of celebrity,

495
00:32:01,775 --> 00:32:03,441
he got a motorcade.

496
00:32:04,778 --> 00:32:06,278
This is not a chase,

497
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,780
this is basically an accompaniment.

498
00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:12,450
(ominous music)

499
00:32:14,354 --> 00:32:17,289
Nobody is doing anything.

500
00:32:17,291 --> 00:32:20,692
So I'm talking to Eddie Jo
Fairbanks in the DA's office.

501
00:32:20,694 --> 00:32:21,960
She said, "Well, I just happen to

502
00:32:21,962 --> 00:32:23,461
have his cell number, would you like it?

503
00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:24,996
(laughing)

504
00:32:24,998 --> 00:32:26,498
(phone ringing)

505
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:27,832
You there?

506
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:29,034
Just let me get to my house.

507
00:32:29,036 --> 00:32:30,302
Okay, we're gonna do that.

508
00:32:30,304 --> 00:32:31,636
I swear to you I'll give you,

509
00:32:31,638 --> 00:32:33,071
I'll give you me, I'll
give you my whole body.

510
00:32:33,073 --> 00:32:34,339
Okay...

511
00:32:34,341 --> 00:32:35,974
I just need to get to my house.

512
00:32:35,976 --> 00:32:37,709
Okay, we're gonna do that,

513
00:32:37,711 --> 00:32:39,144
just throw the gun out the window.

514
00:32:39,146 --> 00:32:40,312
I can't do that.

515
00:32:40,314 --> 00:32:41,146
We're not gonna bother you,

516
00:32:41,148 --> 00:32:42,080
we're gonna let you go up there.

517
00:32:42,082 --> 00:32:43,381
Just throw it out this window,

518
00:32:43,383 --> 00:32:44,816
please, you're scaring everybody.

519
00:32:44,818 --> 00:32:46,151
This is not to keep

520
00:32:46,153 --> 00:32:47,752
you guys away from me, this is for me.

521
00:32:47,754 --> 00:32:49,254
I know that, nobody's gonna hurt you.

522
00:32:49,256 --> 00:32:50,855
This is for me.

523
00:32:50,857 --> 00:32:52,757
He's trying, in my mind,

524
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,025
to imply he's going to commit suicide,

525
00:32:54,027 --> 00:32:55,427
but he's not saying that.

526
00:32:55,429 --> 00:32:57,796
So, I'm playing along with that.

527
00:32:59,066 --> 00:33:02,067
(moaning)

528
00:33:02,069 --> 00:33:07,038
Hey, everybody loves you, don't do this.

529
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,775
Just throw it out the window
and nobody's gonna get hurt.

530
00:33:10,777 --> 00:33:13,044
You've got a guy here that's,

531
00:33:13,046 --> 00:33:14,379
I don't know where his mind is,

532
00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:17,215
I really believe he killed two people.

533
00:33:17,217 --> 00:33:19,884
But now he's got a loaded gun,
and he's being chased by cops.

534
00:33:19,886 --> 00:33:21,620
Is he gonna start shooting at the cops?

535
00:33:21,622 --> 00:33:23,855
Is he gonna shoot at AC and kill...

536
00:33:23,857 --> 00:33:26,391
Is he gonna blow his own brains out?

537
00:33:26,393 --> 00:33:29,527
I do know if I can engage
him in a conversation it's

538
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:32,597
going to temporarily at least
take his mind off the gun.

539
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,033
I'm the only one that deserves this.

540
00:33:35,035 --> 00:33:36,401
No, you're don't deserve that.

541
00:33:36,403 --> 00:33:38,937
You do not deserve to get hurt.

542
00:33:38,939 --> 00:33:39,804
Don't do this.

543
00:33:39,806 --> 00:33:41,306
All I did was love Nicole.

544
00:33:41,308 --> 00:33:43,041
All I did was love her.

545
00:33:43,043 --> 00:33:43,975
I understand.

546
00:33:43,977 --> 00:33:45,810
Love everybody, show everybody

547
00:33:45,812 --> 00:33:47,612
my whole life and I love everybody.

548
00:33:47,614 --> 00:33:50,148
We know that and everybody loves you.

549
00:33:51,585 --> 00:33:53,051
Your kids need you.

550
00:33:53,053 --> 00:33:54,552
I've already said goodbye to my kids.

551
00:33:54,554 --> 00:33:55,887
You're gonna hurt everybody.

552
00:33:55,889 --> 00:33:57,122
I'm just gonna have to see.

553
00:33:57,124 --> 00:33:58,490
No, don't

554
00:33:58,492 --> 00:34:00,492
I'm gonna go with Nicole.
That's all I'm gonna do.

555
00:34:00,494 --> 00:34:01,726
That's all I'm trying to do.

556
00:34:01,728 --> 00:34:02,794
Think about everybody else, alright?

557
00:34:02,796 --> 00:34:03,962
I couldn't on the freeway.

558
00:34:03,964 --> 00:34:04,963
I couldn't do it in a field.

559
00:34:04,965 --> 00:34:06,231
I want to do it at her grave.

560
00:34:06,233 --> 00:34:08,600
I want to do it at my house.

561
00:34:08,602 --> 00:34:10,635
You gonna go to the house?

562
00:34:10,637 --> 00:34:14,806
We were told he was going
to the Rockingham location.

563
00:34:14,808 --> 00:34:18,009
And that's all we were told.

564
00:34:18,011 --> 00:34:19,944
If they requested SWAT
to handle something,

565
00:34:19,946 --> 00:34:22,981
that's because they can't
handle it themselves.

566
00:34:22,983 --> 00:34:24,783
I was told you're going to do the talking,

567
00:34:24,785 --> 00:34:27,852
you're going to be the negotiator.

568
00:34:27,854 --> 00:34:31,523
Drive time from downtown to the west side

569
00:34:31,525 --> 00:34:35,093
was gonna take 30, 40 minutes.

570
00:34:35,095 --> 00:34:36,961
We were trying to beat him.

571
00:34:36,963 --> 00:34:39,030
They were pressuring
us. He's pretty close.

572
00:34:39,032 --> 00:34:42,200
We were estimating we were
about 10 minutes ahead.

573
00:34:42,202 --> 00:34:45,804
The last thing we want is for
him to get there before us.

574
00:34:45,806 --> 00:34:48,840
Because now we're going to lose control.

575
00:34:50,711 --> 00:34:54,713
And we're on the freeway
and all the overpasses,

576
00:34:54,715 --> 00:34:57,048
there were people already staged.

577
00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:02,253
Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ,

578
00:35:02,255 --> 00:35:04,856
What a bunch of losers.

579
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:08,993
I think people realized, hey,

580
00:35:08,995 --> 00:35:12,063
this is gonna be passing my neighborhood.

581
00:35:12,065 --> 00:35:14,866
And they wanted to see OJ's last run.

582
00:35:16,036 --> 00:35:18,002
This was not a somber event.

583
00:35:18,004 --> 00:35:21,373
This was one of Los
Angeles's largest parties.

584
00:35:23,844 --> 00:35:26,778
(orchestral music)

585
00:35:30,984 --> 00:35:34,219
This was lined with people.

586
00:35:34,221 --> 00:35:36,921
(police sirens)

587
00:35:42,696 --> 00:35:45,430
And they're running full
speed down the street,

588
00:35:45,432 --> 00:35:47,832
trying to get to the location.

589
00:35:50,203 --> 00:35:54,038
We're not used to seeing
those types of crowds rush in.

590
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,841
(chanting) OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ!

591
00:36:08,054 --> 00:36:10,121
District Attorney of Los Angeles,

592
00:36:10,123 --> 00:36:12,357
Mr. Gil Garcetti, will
the fact that he has fled

593
00:36:12,359 --> 00:36:14,292
make things worse for him?

594
00:36:14,294 --> 00:36:17,362
Any time you have an accused who leaves,

595
00:36:17,364 --> 00:36:20,031
that and the fact, we believe,

596
00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:22,700
shows a consciousness of guilt.

597
00:36:26,873 --> 00:36:29,774
(chanting "Free OJ")

598
00:36:35,549 --> 00:36:37,482
I think earlier in the week,

599
00:36:37,484 --> 00:36:38,983
all of us close to OJ

600
00:36:38,985 --> 00:36:42,954
didn't believe that he
had been involved in this.

601
00:36:42,956 --> 00:36:45,123
And now I think there's
a sense of resignation

602
00:36:45,125 --> 00:36:46,825
and has been for the last 24 hours and

603
00:36:46,827 --> 00:36:48,560
we can't believe what's happening

604
00:36:48,562 --> 00:36:50,995
and there was nothing ever, ever

605
00:36:50,997 --> 00:36:52,397
in the past that would indicate

606
00:36:52,399 --> 00:36:55,867
that OJ would be capable of
doing what he's doing right now.

607
00:36:58,071 --> 00:37:00,138
Did they let you go?

608
00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:04,142
They didn't say anything,
all of a sudden, they just...

609
00:37:05,345 --> 00:37:07,879
What was that?

610
00:37:09,483 --> 00:37:10,849
Yeah.

611
00:37:10,851 --> 00:37:13,785
Oh, okay, CBS is trying to get you in.

612
00:37:13,787 --> 00:37:15,186
Now, he's pulling off now,

613
00:37:15,188 --> 00:37:17,489
they've just pulled off a main highway.

614
00:37:17,491 --> 00:37:19,591
Judy Mullard, help us here.

615
00:37:19,593 --> 00:37:21,326
I can't tell ya, looks like

616
00:37:21,328 --> 00:37:23,761
Santa Monica Freeway, heading I can't

617
00:37:23,763 --> 00:37:24,896
tell ya yet.

618
00:37:25,999 --> 00:37:27,131
Look at all these people

619
00:37:27,133 --> 00:37:28,500
rushing up to the
corner. No, it's an exit.

620
00:37:28,502 --> 00:37:30,201
This word has obviously spread

621
00:37:30,203 --> 00:37:33,271
Judy, hang on, look at all
these people rushing, waving...

622
00:37:33,273 --> 00:37:35,940
(police sirens)

623
00:37:41,548 --> 00:37:44,015
There is an absolutely utterly macabe

624
00:37:44,017 --> 00:37:46,851
nature to all this.

625
00:37:48,822 --> 00:37:50,121
They've been cheering him on,

626
00:37:50,123 --> 00:37:51,589
yelling go Juice go.

627
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,192
Cheering him on,

628
00:37:54,194 --> 00:37:55,627
He pulled off at Sunset,

629
00:37:55,629 --> 00:37:59,564
off the 405, he's on his
way back toward Brentwood.

630
00:38:03,303 --> 00:38:06,070
When I got on scene there, I
walked toward the residence,

631
00:38:06,072 --> 00:38:09,874
there was family inside the
residence and they were eating.

632
00:38:09,876 --> 00:38:11,843
Looked like they had
like a sandwich buffet

633
00:38:11,845 --> 00:38:15,380
that they were doing and
they were watching tv.

634
00:38:23,223 --> 00:38:24,722
Dining.

635
00:38:25,859 --> 00:38:27,959
I use that clinical term.

636
00:38:28,828 --> 00:38:29,994
Nutty.

637
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,767
(police sirens)

638
00:38:39,072 --> 00:38:41,205
Both sides of the street

639
00:38:41,207 --> 00:38:44,842
have pedestrians, he just
passed us at Barrington.

640
00:38:44,844 --> 00:38:46,277
Okay, Eric, its only now probably

641
00:38:46,279 --> 00:38:48,613
three minutes at the most I would

642
00:38:48,615 --> 00:38:52,283
say to his home in Brentwood.

643
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:59,223
They're passing the
church installed there.

644
00:38:59,225 --> 00:39:01,526
They are heading right into Brentwood now.

645
00:39:01,528 --> 00:39:03,795
He's heading to my house.

646
00:39:07,534 --> 00:39:08,533
He's making a right turn, I assume,

647
00:39:08,535 --> 00:39:10,435
that's up into Brentwood Park,

648
00:39:10,437 --> 00:39:12,036
and appears to be on the way to

649
00:39:12,038 --> 00:39:15,173
either his home or very close to his home.

650
00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:18,710
We closed the gate on Rockingham,

651
00:39:18,712 --> 00:39:20,979
we left this one open to force him through

652
00:39:20,981 --> 00:39:24,182
and make him come into
where we wanted him.

653
00:39:32,993 --> 00:39:35,093
There was a sniper team in
this house across the street,

654
00:39:35,095 --> 00:39:37,762
there's a sniper team on top
of the roof at the residence.

655
00:39:37,764 --> 00:39:40,064
And there was one across the street.

656
00:39:40,066 --> 00:39:41,799
(police radio) Use your own discretion.

657
00:39:41,801 --> 00:39:43,401
You take him down if you have to.

658
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:48,606
When'd you see the kids last, Juice?

659
00:39:48,608 --> 00:39:50,475
He's pulling up in my driveway.

660
00:39:50,477 --> 00:39:52,310
I know, I see you, I see you.

661
00:39:52,312 --> 00:39:54,278
Please, toss the gun.

662
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,781
Juice, just toss it.

663
00:39:56,783 --> 00:39:59,751
He's pulling into his house, oh shit.

664
00:39:59,753 --> 00:40:01,352
I've never seen anything like this.

665
00:40:01,354 --> 00:40:02,887
Mr. Simpson, OJ please.

666
00:40:04,591 --> 00:40:06,457
When we're standing
in the threshold there,

667
00:40:06,459 --> 00:40:08,826
to my right is a television so,

668
00:40:08,828 --> 00:40:11,896
when the Bronco pulls into the driveway

669
00:40:13,266 --> 00:40:16,834
I see Bronco, Cawlings,
Simpson in the backseat

670
00:40:18,038 --> 00:40:19,604
and then I look right here and I get the

671
00:40:19,606 --> 00:40:22,106
point of view that you're seeing.

672
00:40:22,108 --> 00:40:23,541
Oh my goodness gracious.

673
00:40:23,543 --> 00:40:26,711
He's come home after all of that.

674
00:40:26,713 --> 00:40:30,348
Just as we're trying to get words out,

675
00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:32,784
a young man runs up to the
driver's side of the door

676
00:40:32,786 --> 00:40:35,186
and starts hitting at AC Cawlings.

677
00:40:37,691 --> 00:40:39,457
Who is that out there?

678
00:40:39,459 --> 00:40:41,559
He's just trying to help.

679
00:40:41,561 --> 00:40:43,561
He's just trying to help, man.

680
00:40:43,563 --> 00:40:47,565
Kardashian said, "That's Jason
Simpson, That's OJ's son."

681
00:40:49,703 --> 00:40:53,771
So, I told Pepabrick, I said,
"Go out there and get him."

682
00:40:56,376 --> 00:40:57,942
Moved him out,

683
00:41:00,146 --> 00:41:04,549
now we get down to the
business that we designed.

684
00:41:04,551 --> 00:41:08,086
In this juncture, it's very fragile.

685
00:41:08,088 --> 00:41:11,789
What exacerbates, what
makes it crazy, is the noise,

686
00:41:13,927 --> 00:41:16,427
you had a helicopter
seemed like about 50 feet

687
00:41:16,429 --> 00:41:20,364
off the deck, every car
that was in the following

688
00:41:20,366 --> 00:41:23,267
had their red lights and sirens on.

689
00:41:25,004 --> 00:41:26,437
If you just take a snapshot,

690
00:41:26,439 --> 00:41:29,507
you'd go, this is
madness, absolute madness.

691
00:41:34,347 --> 00:41:36,848
I watched that from the newsroom

692
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:39,016
and when I saw a couple
of the SWAT officers

693
00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:41,786
that I recognized run
across the shot, I thought,

694
00:41:41,788 --> 00:41:45,256
oh my God, they're gonna
kill him in the driveway.

695
00:41:45,258 --> 00:41:47,391
Just toss it please.

696
00:41:47,393 --> 00:41:48,393
Alright?

697
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:53,464
Juice, just toss the gun.

698
00:41:53,466 --> 00:41:54,799
I did not want him to get out

699
00:41:54,801 --> 00:41:56,300
of the car with a gun in his hand,

700
00:41:56,302 --> 00:41:57,602
they'd have dumped him,

701
00:41:57,604 --> 00:41:59,537
they would not have had a choice.

702
00:42:02,075 --> 00:42:04,842
Juice, come on, Juice.

703
00:42:07,313 --> 00:42:09,480
They resolve most situations peacefully,

704
00:42:09,482 --> 00:42:12,750
but they are there to
finish it one way or another.

705
00:42:12,752 --> 00:42:14,886
OJ, no, no OJ.

706
00:42:18,224 --> 00:42:20,591
Don't, no man, don't.

707
00:42:20,593 --> 00:42:22,193
Juice, don't do it, Juice.

708
00:42:24,831 --> 00:42:26,564
Pick it up.

709
00:42:26,566 --> 00:42:29,000
I'm thinking, okay, there are a lot

710
00:42:29,002 --> 00:42:31,302
of people that are betting on us.

711
00:42:31,304 --> 00:42:32,837
That we're going to screw this up.

712
00:42:32,839 --> 00:42:34,405
That are cynical.

713
00:42:34,407 --> 00:42:36,340
That believe that we are a

714
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:39,577
brutal horrible organization.

715
00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:41,345
And it's just not the case.

716
00:42:45,685 --> 00:42:47,585
How do they know, that the police

717
00:42:47,587 --> 00:42:49,787
and the DA didn't make all this

718
00:42:49,789 --> 00:42:54,525
evidence up, to make him
act the way that he's acting?

719
00:42:54,527 --> 00:42:55,793
We were recovering from Rodney King

720
00:42:55,795 --> 00:42:58,830
and it's so important for the people

721
00:42:58,832 --> 00:43:01,499
to see things that go the right way.

722
00:43:01,501 --> 00:43:02,600
There is so much on the news where

723
00:43:02,602 --> 00:43:04,502
things go the wrong way.

724
00:43:04,504 --> 00:43:05,536
Normally, that would be on my mind,

725
00:43:05,538 --> 00:43:07,405
but that night it wasn't.

726
00:43:16,316 --> 00:43:18,850
Doors opening.

727
00:43:21,321 --> 00:43:23,688
That is Al Cawlings.

728
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:25,289
He's quite, quite upset at the moment.

729
00:43:25,291 --> 00:43:26,324
Yeah.

730
00:43:26,326 --> 00:43:28,993
Quite emotional here.

731
00:43:28,995 --> 00:43:31,229
I've got to get Cawlings out.

732
00:43:31,231 --> 00:43:32,730
As much as he was trying to help,

733
00:43:32,732 --> 00:43:35,700
he was interfering in
where I needed to do.

734
00:43:35,702 --> 00:43:37,301
I needed to speak directly to Mr. Simpson,

735
00:43:37,303 --> 00:43:40,338
to try and keep him from hurting himself.

736
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:43,875
And Mr. Cawlings was
trying to be a go between.

737
00:43:45,745 --> 00:43:47,812
He was very worried about his friend.

738
00:43:47,814 --> 00:43:49,547
He kept asking us, please don't hurt him,

739
00:43:49,549 --> 00:43:52,316
please don't hurt him, please.

740
00:43:52,318 --> 00:43:53,718
And he wanted to go back,

741
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:55,253
he wanted to stay with his friend.

742
00:43:55,255 --> 00:43:58,522
And we wouldn't allow it, we can't.

743
00:43:58,524 --> 00:44:00,091
Police haven't made a move,

744
00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:04,328
we understand negotiations
are still going on.

745
00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:06,197
Simpson, you can see him,

746
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,867
cradling what looks like framed photos,

747
00:44:09,869 --> 00:44:13,571
but clearly he has the barrel
of a weapon under his chin

748
00:44:13,573 --> 00:44:15,506
and it looks like he's just resting his

749
00:44:15,508 --> 00:44:17,708
chin on the barrel of the weapon.

750
00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:20,311
It was the look of a defeated man.

751
00:44:26,386 --> 00:44:27,885
They are, according to police scanners,

752
00:44:27,887 --> 00:44:29,754
talking to OJ on the
phone, from the inside

753
00:44:29,756 --> 00:44:32,924
the house, trying to negotiate something.

754
00:44:34,861 --> 00:44:38,062
I said to him very early on,

755
00:44:38,064 --> 00:44:42,800
I don't think your children
need to see another tragedy.

756
00:44:42,802 --> 00:44:45,469
And he immediately changed the subject

757
00:44:45,471 --> 00:44:48,606
right to about himself, he
wouldn't even speak to that.

758
00:44:48,608 --> 00:44:51,709
I said I know where he's coming from.

759
00:44:51,711 --> 00:44:55,313
There was so much memorabilia
and stuff of him everywhere,

760
00:44:57,283 --> 00:44:58,616
normally you would see other photos

761
00:44:58,618 --> 00:45:00,284
of family members or something else,

762
00:45:00,286 --> 00:45:04,722
you didn't see those
things, it was all him.

763
00:45:04,724 --> 00:45:08,793
I told Mike Albanis, Mike,
I can talk him into it.

764
00:45:08,795 --> 00:45:10,561
We can appeal to his ego enough

765
00:45:10,563 --> 00:45:13,130
that he's going to come out for us.

766
00:45:14,634 --> 00:45:15,633
His voice, in the beginning, was

767
00:45:15,635 --> 00:45:18,736
excited but then it called down.

768
00:45:18,738 --> 00:45:22,640
The more we spoke about
him, the more he liked it.

769
00:45:24,444 --> 00:45:25,943
We want to show them that you're

770
00:45:25,945 --> 00:45:28,179
still the person you
have been all these years.

771
00:45:28,181 --> 00:45:32,316
This great football player,
this great everything.

772
00:45:32,318 --> 00:45:34,885
(dramatic music)

773
00:45:38,758 --> 00:45:39,991
He asked me to come out to the car,

774
00:45:39,993 --> 00:45:41,292
and I said, "No, you're going to show

775
00:45:41,294 --> 00:45:42,593
them yourself, you're going to show them

776
00:45:42,595 --> 00:45:43,861
just how big and courageous you are,

777
00:45:43,863 --> 00:45:45,262
you're going to walk to me and you're

778
00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:46,697
going to leave the gun in the car,

779
00:45:46,699 --> 00:45:51,135
you're going to walk out
and show everyone, right now.

780
00:45:51,137 --> 00:45:52,903
You're going to do this."

781
00:45:54,707 --> 00:45:57,775
My personal spin, I think, he wanted

782
00:45:57,777 --> 00:45:59,877
to surrender when it was dark.

783
00:45:59,879 --> 00:46:02,880
So that he wouldn't be seen.

784
00:46:02,882 --> 00:46:07,018
Night has fallen here over Brentwood.

785
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:11,856
He had two picture frames
that were cradled in his arms.

786
00:46:11,858 --> 00:46:14,692
We told him, open the door,

787
00:46:14,694 --> 00:46:16,727
put your arm out with the frame,

788
00:46:16,729 --> 00:46:19,864
and the other arm out
with the framed photo,

789
00:46:19,866 --> 00:46:23,534
so it's clear to everybody,
so there was no mistaking.

790
00:46:25,138 --> 00:46:29,306
Doors open, dome lights
on, he's out of the vehicle.

791
00:46:29,308 --> 00:46:30,875
Kinda just hunches over,

792
00:46:32,645 --> 00:46:35,579
shuffles six eight steps to us,

793
00:46:35,581 --> 00:46:37,448
and collapses in our arms.

794
00:46:38,518 --> 00:46:41,085
He goes, "I'm sorry,

795
00:46:41,087 --> 00:46:43,721
I was never going to
hurt you guys. I'm sorry.

796
00:46:43,723 --> 00:46:46,257
I was never going to hurt you guys."

797
00:46:46,259 --> 00:46:47,591
OJ's in custody.

798
00:46:47,593 --> 00:46:49,493
We understand that OJ's in custody.

799
00:46:49,495 --> 00:46:50,828
They're calling a code four.

800
00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:52,563
All clear, all safe.

801
00:46:53,566 --> 00:46:56,567
Thank you, thank you to God.

802
00:46:56,569 --> 00:47:00,438
(reporters asking questions)

803
00:47:03,543 --> 00:47:05,109
Unbelievable, we saw an incredible

804
00:47:05,111 --> 00:47:07,711
situation that's gone on for hours.

805
00:47:07,713 --> 00:47:12,616
Incredible restraint by the
Los Angeles Police Department.

806
00:47:12,618 --> 00:47:14,618
The officer's kept their distance.

807
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:16,253
They allowed the SWAT team, the pros,

808
00:47:16,255 --> 00:47:20,224
to come in, they took their positions.

809
00:47:20,226 --> 00:47:23,894
He'd asked me to stay with
him throughout the process.

810
00:47:23,896 --> 00:47:26,363
I promised him I would stay with him.

811
00:47:26,365 --> 00:47:28,466
I said it's time, I
gotta handcuff you now,

812
00:47:28,468 --> 00:47:29,517
you need to be handcuffed.

813
00:47:29,518 --> 00:47:30,567
I'm sorry this is the way it works.

814
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:33,304
(police sirens)

815
00:47:35,108 --> 00:47:38,876
As we take off, Simpson
is amazed at the crowds.

816
00:47:41,247 --> 00:47:44,215
He just couldn't believe there
was this many people there.

817
00:47:44,217 --> 00:47:47,084
(Free OJ, Free OJ)

818
00:47:47,086 --> 00:47:48,752
And he said, "what are all these

819
00:47:48,754 --> 00:47:50,888
niggers doing in Brentwood?"

820
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:53,691
(crowd cheering)

821
00:47:59,232 --> 00:48:01,632
I walk outside and Shapiro's there.

822
00:48:01,634 --> 00:48:03,767
Shapiro shakes my hand, he says,

823
00:48:03,769 --> 00:48:07,805
"Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson."

824
00:48:07,807 --> 00:48:08,973
He grabbed me and went to hug me.

825
00:48:08,975 --> 00:48:10,341
I go, let's just,

826
00:48:11,777 --> 00:48:14,345
I wasn't in the mood for a hug

827
00:48:15,448 --> 00:48:17,915
and maybe I wasn't professional.

828
00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:22,253
I don't know the frickin guy, right,

829
00:48:22,255 --> 00:48:25,322
and he wants to weep on me?

830
00:48:25,324 --> 00:48:27,858
(dramatic music)

831
00:48:29,128 --> 00:48:32,096
Well this is nutty did. It really is.

832
00:48:32,098 --> 00:48:34,765
I said, I have seen
everything in law enforcement.

833
00:48:34,767 --> 00:48:37,801
There is nothing else that can top this.

834
00:48:37,803 --> 00:48:40,604
(dramatic music)

835
00:49:00,526 --> 00:49:02,793
(piano music)

836
00:49:29,722 --> 00:49:31,522
Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson

837
00:49:31,524 --> 00:49:34,425
is expected to make his
first court appearance.

838
00:49:34,427 --> 00:49:36,760
OJ has been in jail,
under a suicide watch,

839
00:49:36,762 --> 00:49:40,164
visited only by a
psychiatrist and his lawyer.

840
00:49:41,701 --> 00:49:43,300
Please,

841
00:49:48,207 --> 00:49:49,673
Alright, people.

842
00:49:55,848 --> 00:49:58,015
Please speak up so you may be heard.

843
00:49:58,017 --> 00:49:59,017
Uh, yes.

844
00:50:00,953 --> 00:50:01,952
Pardon me, I'm sorry.

845
00:50:01,954 --> 00:50:03,053
May we start all over again?

846
00:50:03,055 --> 00:50:04,154
Yes.

847
00:50:07,727 --> 00:50:09,026
He looked a mess.

848
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:14,465
He looked like someone
who had committed murder.

849
00:50:14,467 --> 00:50:16,367
There was nothing about the old

850
00:50:16,369 --> 00:50:19,036
smiling Simpson, about him that day.

851
00:50:20,539 --> 00:50:21,939
Your charges for this complaint

852
00:50:21,941 --> 00:50:23,574
in that you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced

853
00:50:23,576 --> 00:50:26,844
forethought murder of
Nicole Brown Simpson.

854
00:50:28,748 --> 00:50:31,448
In count two your charge is the crime

855
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:34,084
of murder in violation
of penal code section 187.

856
00:50:34,086 --> 00:50:36,086
That you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced

857
00:50:36,088 --> 00:50:39,556
forethought murder of Ronald Lyle Goldman.

858
00:50:41,093 --> 00:50:44,128
When he initially entered the plea,

859
00:50:44,130 --> 00:50:46,297
he barely choked it out.

860
00:50:46,299 --> 00:50:47,299
Not guilty.

861
00:50:49,268 --> 00:50:50,834
Alright, then, the not guilty plea will

862
00:50:50,836 --> 00:50:52,970
be entered, the case will be set for a

863
00:50:52,972 --> 00:50:55,973
preliminary hearing within
the statutory period.

864
00:50:55,975 --> 00:50:56,975
Recess.

865
00:50:58,944 --> 00:51:00,978
This case will be handled
as every case is handled,

866
00:51:00,980 --> 00:51:03,480
the case will be thoroughly
investigated by top

867
00:51:03,482 --> 00:51:06,850
notch investigators, we
will present the prosecution

868
00:51:06,852 --> 00:51:09,820
in a thorough and professional manner.

869
00:51:10,823 --> 00:51:12,856
I amongst others, recommended her.

870
00:51:12,858 --> 00:51:14,958
I was aware of her
successes in the court room.

871
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,662
I knew she was a very
dynamic trial lawyer.

872
00:51:18,664 --> 00:51:19,963
I want no one to forget the fact that

873
00:51:19,965 --> 00:51:22,266
Robert Barto wakes up every morning,

874
00:51:22,268 --> 00:51:27,104
and Rebecca Schaeffer lies
buried in a grave in Oregon.

875
00:51:27,106 --> 00:51:29,640
Worked extraordinarily hard,

876
00:51:29,642 --> 00:51:31,875
she was very facile with trace evidence,

877
00:51:31,877 --> 00:51:33,844
hair, fiber, and the like.

878
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,780
She was up to speed on DNA.

879
00:51:38,617 --> 00:51:41,185
She was one of our best trial lawyers.

880
00:51:41,187 --> 00:51:42,619
I think that with all the questions

881
00:51:42,621 --> 00:51:43,520
that we've been getting about the

882
00:51:43,522 --> 00:51:45,055
public sympathy for Mr. Simpson,

883
00:51:45,057 --> 00:51:46,457
we should not forget the fact that

884
00:51:46,459 --> 00:51:49,960
we have two victims,
that were brutally slain.

885
00:51:49,962 --> 00:51:51,295
I have to say, it never mattered to me

886
00:51:51,297 --> 00:51:54,198
who the defendant was, it
was a question of who did it.

887
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,066
Whether their famous,
whether their not famous.

888
00:51:56,068 --> 00:51:58,802
They all get the same treatment.

889
00:52:00,206 --> 00:52:03,874
You are looking at inmate
number 4103970, OJ Simpson.

890
00:52:06,212 --> 00:52:08,946
(camera clicks)

891
00:52:12,518 --> 00:52:15,552
(cell doors shutting)

892
00:52:20,526 --> 00:52:22,426
I believed he was innocent.

893
00:52:22,428 --> 00:52:25,195
I was like everybody else,
it was incomprehensible

894
00:52:25,197 --> 00:52:27,297
that my friend could do this.

895
00:52:30,035 --> 00:52:33,103
I snuck into the jail to see him and

896
00:52:33,105 --> 00:52:36,073
there's this guy that was my buddy and

897
00:52:38,110 --> 00:52:39,610
he looked emaciated,

898
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,080
he was in an orange jumpsuit,

899
00:52:43,082 --> 00:52:46,850
and he was shackled to
the desk in front of me.

900
00:52:50,356 --> 00:52:54,425
Then he looked at me on the
other side of plexiglasses,

901
00:52:55,761 --> 00:52:57,294
close as he could be, and he said,

902
00:52:57,296 --> 00:53:00,230
"I swear to God, I didn't do this."

903
00:53:00,232 --> 00:53:01,498
I believed him.

904
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:06,270
He asked me if I kind of would be the

905
00:53:06,272 --> 00:53:08,071
chronicler of the whole thing.

906
00:53:08,073 --> 00:53:11,308
Would I write a book
about the whole thing.

907
00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:13,043
I backed away from that.

908
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:18,282
Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism,

909
00:53:18,284 --> 00:53:19,650
I'm sitting with OJ

910
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:23,854
and Lyle Menendez walks behind him.

911
00:53:25,057 --> 00:53:27,090
And I just went, shit, this is more

912
00:53:27,092 --> 00:53:29,793
than my little pea brain can handle.

913
00:53:31,464 --> 00:53:34,064
(dramatic music)

914
00:53:57,823 --> 00:54:02,326
Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los
Angeles jail cell tonight.

915
00:54:02,328 --> 00:54:04,328
His attorney says he spoke to him today

916
00:54:04,330 --> 00:54:07,030
and that Simpson was in tears.

917
00:54:07,032 --> 00:54:08,832
Now, Cawlings, was himself, arrested

918
00:54:08,834 --> 00:54:11,101
on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive.

919
00:54:11,103 --> 00:54:12,536
Get away from my fucking house.

920
00:54:12,538 --> 00:54:14,838
Simpson, had $10,000 in cash

921
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,040
and a passport at that point.

922
00:54:17,042 --> 00:54:18,709
I love OJ

923
00:54:18,711 --> 00:54:20,143
no matter what happens.

924
00:54:20,145 --> 00:54:22,145
The murder with special circumstances,

925
00:54:22,147 --> 00:54:23,714
death penalty charges.

926
00:54:23,716 --> 00:54:26,550
The final DNA tests are positive for

927
00:54:26,552 --> 00:54:29,119
intense and purposes, OJ Simpson really

928
00:54:29,121 --> 00:54:30,854
has no option but to admit that he killed.

929
00:54:30,856 --> 00:54:32,055
The man who will lead the prosecution

930
00:54:32,057 --> 00:54:33,991
of the case, against OJ Simpson,

931
00:54:33,993 --> 00:54:35,826
is Los Angeles District
Attorney, Gil Garcetti.

932
00:54:35,828 --> 00:54:37,728
You said earlier, "It's not going

933
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:40,497
to shock me if we see OJ Simpson

934
00:54:40,499 --> 00:54:42,132
sometime down the road say okay

935
00:54:42,134 --> 00:54:45,369
I did do it but I'm not responsible."

936
00:54:45,371 --> 00:54:46,837
That certainly sounded, to me,

937
00:54:46,839 --> 00:54:48,238
like a prosecutor very
comfortable with his case.

938
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,806
I am comfortable with the case,

939
00:54:49,808 --> 00:54:51,508
I don't mean to speculate as to what

940
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:52,843
the defense is going to be but I

941
00:54:52,845 --> 00:54:54,211
have been a prosecutor for 25 years.

942
00:54:54,213 --> 00:54:57,314
The evidence was so overwhelming,

943
00:54:57,316 --> 00:54:59,149
there was just no doubt.

944
00:55:01,854 --> 00:55:03,654
A blood trail that led from Bundy

945
00:55:03,656 --> 00:55:05,956
all the way into his bedroom.

946
00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:08,859
I don't think I'd ever seen that much

947
00:55:08,861 --> 00:55:11,428
evidence in any single case ever.

948
00:55:13,532 --> 00:55:18,201
When you couple that with
evidence of motivation,

949
00:55:18,203 --> 00:55:21,438
and that was the history
of domestic violence,

950
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,006
with Simpson physically and

951
00:55:23,008 --> 00:55:26,209
psychologically abusing Nicole Brown.

952
00:55:26,211 --> 00:55:28,011
This is my woman.

953
00:55:28,013 --> 00:55:29,379
This was a domestic violence case

954
00:55:29,381 --> 00:55:31,114
that culminated in murder.

955
00:55:31,116 --> 00:55:32,149
End of story.

956
00:55:35,454 --> 00:55:36,453
Both sides are going to try

957
00:55:36,455 --> 00:55:37,788
to place the publicity thier way

958
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:40,857
but because this is a major celebrity,

959
00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:42,459
probably this is the most famous

960
00:55:42,461 --> 00:55:44,728
American ever charged with murder,

961
00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:47,297
there will not business as usual.

962
00:55:49,568 --> 00:55:53,270
My former criminal law
professor, Alan Dershowitz,

963
00:55:53,272 --> 00:55:57,240
was part of what would later
become known as the dream team,

964
00:55:57,242 --> 00:55:59,476
OJ Simpson's lawyers.

965
00:55:59,478 --> 00:56:00,944
So, I called up Alan, and I said,

966
00:56:00,946 --> 00:56:02,446
"You know, what do you
think of this case?"

967
00:56:02,448 --> 00:56:04,781
And he said, "I don't know,

968
00:56:06,218 --> 00:56:09,953
but you ought to look
into this guy, this cop.

969
00:56:11,256 --> 00:56:14,791
Mark Fuhrman, there's
something bad about him."

970
00:56:16,729 --> 00:56:18,729
I first met Mark during the

971
00:56:18,731 --> 00:56:21,331
execution of a second search warrant.

972
00:56:21,333 --> 00:56:24,501
I was impressed, he seemed
to have an eye for detail.

973
00:56:24,503 --> 00:56:26,737
Some of his investigative moves,

974
00:56:26,739 --> 00:56:28,805
particularly going up to Rockingham,

975
00:56:28,807 --> 00:56:32,743
struck me as this is a smart detective.

976
00:56:32,745 --> 00:56:35,512
Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N.

977
00:56:37,282 --> 00:56:38,482
When he testified at
the preliminary hearing,

978
00:56:38,484 --> 00:56:40,784
he did a really good job.

979
00:56:40,786 --> 00:56:42,285
Blood to the left of the footprint

980
00:56:42,287 --> 00:56:44,988
would indicate that the person that left

981
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:47,858
the scene was bleeding from
the left side of his body.

982
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:49,993
And the spot on the Bronco

983
00:56:49,995 --> 00:56:52,362
would coincide with that injury.

984
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:55,966
He was on top of his game.

985
00:56:55,968 --> 00:56:58,468
His memory of the search of

986
00:56:58,470 --> 00:57:00,370
Rockingham was the primary thing.

987
00:57:00,372 --> 00:57:03,573
And it was detailed and consistent.

988
00:57:03,575 --> 00:57:06,143
And why was it that you
did not secure the residence

989
00:57:06,145 --> 00:57:09,846
for a search warrant
before finding the glove.

990
00:57:11,016 --> 00:57:13,350
This is not a situation where we

991
00:57:13,352 --> 00:57:14,818
had the time to stand out in the

992
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:18,522
street and just wait and wonder.

993
00:57:18,524 --> 00:57:20,090
We had to do something.

994
00:57:22,361 --> 00:57:26,296
I thought maybe this guy
Fuhrman has done something wrong.

995
00:57:26,298 --> 00:57:27,931
Maybe, he's been sued.

996
00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:34,371
There was this dungeon like basement

997
00:57:35,474 --> 00:57:37,708
in downtown Los Angeles with all

998
00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:40,477
the records of civil court filings.

999
00:57:40,479 --> 00:57:42,145
And I started burrowing through these

1000
00:57:42,147 --> 00:57:46,717
records looking for Mark
Fuhrman as a defendant.

1001
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,252
And that's not what I found.

1002
00:57:49,254 --> 00:57:52,923
I found a lawsuit where Mark
Fuhrman was the plaintiff.

1003
00:57:54,526 --> 00:57:58,095
He had actually sued the
Los Angeles Pension Board

1004
00:57:59,765 --> 00:58:02,999
asking to be relieved as a police officer

1005
00:58:04,703 --> 00:58:07,437
and get a pension because his mind

1006
00:58:08,841 --> 00:58:12,142
was so poisoned by hatred of black people.

1007
00:58:16,014 --> 00:58:19,182
And I thought to myself,
now that's a story.

1008
00:58:24,089 --> 00:58:28,091
I show up uninvited at
Robert Shapiro's office.

1009
00:58:28,093 --> 00:58:31,628
And I say, "I've been
looking at Mark Fuhrman's file

1010
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:34,364
and there's some pretty
amazing stuff in there."

1011
00:58:34,366 --> 00:58:36,266
And I remember, to this day, he sort

1012
00:58:36,268 --> 00:58:37,267
of rocked back in his chair.

1013
00:58:37,269 --> 00:58:38,368
He said, "You saw that?"

1014
00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:39,536
I said, "Yeah".

1015
00:58:39,538 --> 00:58:41,438
He said, "You think that's bad,

1016
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,307
we think he planted the glove.

1017
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:46,676
(camera clicks)

1018
00:58:49,715 --> 00:58:51,114
Fuhrman, according to this article

1019
00:58:51,116 --> 00:58:53,817
had used a lot of racial epithets.

1020
00:58:55,087 --> 00:58:57,754
Having that out there,

1021
00:58:57,756 --> 00:58:59,823
really brought home the
fact that we've got a

1022
00:58:59,825 --> 00:59:03,160
dynamic here we're
gonna have to deal with.

1023
00:59:04,763 --> 00:59:08,632
They found a flaw in me, and
then they made up a nexus,

1024
00:59:08,634 --> 00:59:11,401
a connection to the flaw to the case.

1025
00:59:16,441 --> 00:59:19,009
I mean, I had a bad couple years

1026
00:59:23,482 --> 00:59:24,748
but I came out

1027
00:59:26,351 --> 00:59:28,318
better, I came out of it.

1028
00:59:32,257 --> 00:59:33,557
It is what it is.

1029
00:59:35,694 --> 00:59:38,528
That article came out at just

1030
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:39,796
about the same time, Johnny Cochran

1031
00:59:39,798 --> 00:59:42,632
was coming aboard the defense team.

1032
00:59:42,634 --> 00:59:44,634
And my thought at the time was,

1033
00:59:44,636 --> 00:59:47,370
here comes the race card.

1034
00:59:47,372 --> 00:59:49,906
(gospel music)

1035
00:59:56,048 --> 00:59:58,181
My name is Johnny L. Cochran Jr.

1036
00:59:58,183 --> 01:00:00,517
I am primarily a civil rights lawyer.

1037
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:01,785
And I represent a number of clients

1038
01:00:01,787 --> 01:00:05,088
who have had their civil rights abridged.

1039
01:00:06,525 --> 01:00:10,527
He and his firm were
central players in this story

1040
01:00:10,529 --> 01:00:13,196
of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles.

1041
01:00:14,366 --> 01:00:16,032
Growing up in America,

1042
01:00:16,034 --> 01:00:18,001
any African American will tell you that,

1043
01:00:18,003 --> 01:00:20,537
we know we have to run faster,

1044
01:00:20,539 --> 01:00:22,806
jump higher, work harder,

1045
01:00:22,808 --> 01:00:24,541
to do the same that anyone else has to do.

1046
01:00:24,543 --> 01:00:25,876
(applause)

1047
01:00:25,878 --> 01:00:29,713
Johnny Cochran was
always the icon to young

1048
01:00:29,715 --> 01:00:34,050
black, brown, and oppressed
people in Los Angeles

1049
01:00:34,052 --> 01:00:36,887
because Johnny was that young

1050
01:00:36,889 --> 01:00:39,823
dashing lawyer who took on the police.

1051
01:00:41,593 --> 01:00:44,594
Johnny Cochran made his name

1052
01:00:44,596 --> 01:00:48,832
as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case.

1053
01:00:48,834 --> 01:00:50,567
The latest explosion of violence in Watts

1054
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:53,003
really began here 11 days ago.

1055
01:00:53,005 --> 01:00:54,838
A negro motorist driving down here

1056
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,539
was rushing his wife to the hospital,

1057
01:00:56,541 --> 01:00:58,108
she was having labor pains,

1058
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:00,944
they were stopped, stopped
by a white patrolman.

1059
01:01:00,946 --> 01:01:05,749
One policeman got out
and came around to my side

1060
01:01:05,751 --> 01:01:07,284
and my husband leaned over me

1061
01:01:07,286 --> 01:01:08,551
and asked him if he would

1062
01:01:08,553 --> 01:01:11,788
lead him out to the
hospital to care of me.

1063
01:01:14,226 --> 01:01:18,295
And then he, he didn't say
anything, and he shot him.

1064
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,332
And he fell over me.

1065
01:01:25,103 --> 01:01:27,938
(dramatic music)

1066
01:01:30,575 --> 01:01:32,275
Mr. Cochran would like to know,

1067
01:01:32,277 --> 01:01:34,978
did you get inside the Deadwyler car

1068
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:37,580
with the upper part of
your body voluntarily?

1069
01:01:37,582 --> 01:01:38,582
Yes sir.

1070
01:01:39,618 --> 01:01:41,117
Mr. Cochran would like to know,

1071
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,988
did you observe any weapons
within the Deadwyler car?

1072
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:46,556
No, sir, I did not.

1073
01:01:46,558 --> 01:01:48,091
Mr. Cochran wants to know,

1074
01:01:48,093 --> 01:01:49,826
that became the catchphrase because

1075
01:01:49,828 --> 01:01:53,096
the lawyer, himself, could
not ask the questions.

1076
01:01:53,098 --> 01:01:56,633
He had to go through the county council.

1077
01:01:56,635 --> 01:01:57,968
Mr. Cochran would like to know,

1078
01:01:57,970 --> 01:01:59,302
if you been trained to keep your

1079
01:01:59,304 --> 01:02:00,470
weapon away from a suspect?

1080
01:02:00,472 --> 01:02:02,806
Yes, sir.

1081
01:02:02,808 --> 01:02:06,242
Johnny was like 27-28 years old then.

1082
01:02:06,244 --> 01:02:08,345
He was a young whippersnapper.

1083
01:02:09,481 --> 01:02:11,348
Mr. Cochran would like to know,

1084
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:13,583
while you were at the Los
Angeles police academy,

1085
01:02:13,585 --> 01:02:15,685
did they train you to put your

1086
01:02:15,687 --> 01:02:18,688
upper part of your body inside a car?

1087
01:02:20,192 --> 01:02:22,425
Not specifically that, no.

1088
01:02:30,502 --> 01:02:33,103
Because it was a televised trial,

1089
01:02:34,806 --> 01:02:36,840
he became a hero to everybody

1090
01:02:36,842 --> 01:02:39,275
in to the south central community.

1091
01:02:42,714 --> 01:02:47,550
Few people had higher
standing, deeper standing.

1092
01:02:47,552 --> 01:02:52,055
Johnny was always that
stalwart defender of justice,

1093
01:02:52,057 --> 01:02:55,525
fighting against the bastille.

1094
01:02:55,527 --> 01:02:56,493
Each of the defendants across the board

1095
01:02:56,495 --> 01:02:57,627
were found not guilty of the

1096
01:02:57,629 --> 01:03:00,063
assaults on the police officers.

1097
01:03:00,065 --> 01:03:02,866
Mr. Settles was beaten, the
booking photos show that.

1098
01:03:02,868 --> 01:03:05,035
I want to know if they had
anything to do with his death.

1099
01:03:05,037 --> 01:03:06,870
I want to know, whether
or not, he hung himself

1100
01:03:06,872 --> 01:03:09,039
or whether or not he was hung.

1101
01:03:09,041 --> 01:03:10,507
The only version that you heard

1102
01:03:10,509 --> 01:03:12,342
of what transpired was what the

1103
01:03:12,344 --> 01:03:14,878
police officers told
you, isn't that correct?

1104
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,379
(dramatic music)

1105
01:03:16,381 --> 01:03:17,313
It's not that Johnny was the

1106
01:03:17,315 --> 01:03:18,715
only good lawyer for OJ Simpson

1107
01:03:18,717 --> 01:03:20,884
but I would say that he and his firm

1108
01:03:20,886 --> 01:03:23,920
were the only lawyers that
would really understand

1109
01:03:23,922 --> 01:03:26,256
and argue this case in the context of

1110
01:03:26,258 --> 01:03:30,593
the LAPD's relationship
to African Americans.

1111
01:03:30,595 --> 01:03:33,563
Now, did he also like a big
celebrity trial, you bet.

1112
01:03:33,565 --> 01:03:35,765
Michael Jackson has maintained

1113
01:03:35,767 --> 01:03:37,700
his innocence from the
beginning of this matter.

1114
01:03:37,702 --> 01:03:41,571
He still, maintains that innocence.

1115
01:03:41,573 --> 01:03:45,241
He was a big character, he was flamboyant.

1116
01:03:45,243 --> 01:03:46,910
- I love you.
- [Hi Johnny].

1117
01:03:48,713 --> 01:03:50,280
We were talking about
different styles of lawyering

1118
01:03:50,282 --> 01:03:51,548
and how you make a case to jury

1119
01:03:51,550 --> 01:03:53,016
and one of the things he said

1120
01:03:53,018 --> 01:03:54,551
about predominately
African American juries,

1121
01:03:54,553 --> 01:03:56,619
he goes Jimmy, when is
what he used to call me,

1122
01:03:56,621 --> 01:03:57,787
he said, Jimmy, blacks like big.

1123
01:03:57,789 --> 01:03:58,521
(laughing)

1124
01:03:58,523 --> 01:04:00,356
And he liked to be big.

1125
01:04:04,963 --> 01:04:07,497
(drums playing)

1126
01:04:15,874 --> 01:04:19,742
My daughter was in the Watts parade and

1127
01:04:19,744 --> 01:04:22,779
Johnny Cochran was the grand marshal.

1128
01:04:25,050 --> 01:04:28,685
He said, "I want to see
you guys at the trial."

1129
01:04:30,222 --> 01:04:33,857
I hadn't planned to go,
but since he asked me,

1130
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,393
I said, well Johnny wants me to come, and

1131
01:04:37,395 --> 01:04:39,796
he asked me to come,
so I'm coming down here.

1132
01:04:39,798 --> 01:04:42,565
I'm gonna find a way
to get here every day.

1133
01:04:42,567 --> 01:04:46,102
(dramatic music)

1134
01:04:46,104 --> 01:04:49,072
OJ Simpson is about appear
in a Los Angeles courtroom.

1135
01:04:49,074 --> 01:04:50,440
He's going to enter a plea,

1136
01:04:50,442 --> 01:04:52,509
a date for trial will be set,

1137
01:04:52,511 --> 01:04:57,080
and a judge to oversee the
trial is going to be appointed.

1138
01:04:57,082 --> 01:05:01,618
This is the time set for the
arraignment of Mr. Simpson.

1139
01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:05,121
Mr. Simpson you are charged
with the crime of murder.

1140
01:05:05,123 --> 01:05:06,823
Are you ready to enter
a plea at this time?

1141
01:05:06,825 --> 01:05:08,258
Yes, your honor.

1142
01:05:08,260 --> 01:05:10,493
How do you plea to counts one and two?

1143
01:05:10,495 --> 01:05:14,130
Absolutely 100% not guilty.

1144
01:05:14,132 --> 01:05:17,967
That's when I want to
hear, you're not guilty.

1145
01:05:17,969 --> 01:05:19,335
He was back on his feet and ready

1146
01:05:19,337 --> 01:05:21,971
to tell the whole world
that he was wrongly accused.

1147
01:05:21,973 --> 01:05:24,340
And it was just the
biggest bunch of horse shit.

1148
01:05:24,342 --> 01:05:25,975
Thank you, you may be seated.

1149
01:05:25,977 --> 01:05:28,278
But he sold it.

1150
01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:30,780
I gave him a thumbs up.

1151
01:05:30,782 --> 01:05:34,450
And he looked over at
me and he waved at me.

1152
01:05:34,452 --> 01:05:36,519
He was very good looking.

1153
01:05:37,789 --> 01:05:40,623
And that day he was really good looking.

1154
01:05:40,625 --> 01:05:42,792
(laughing)

1155
01:05:42,794 --> 01:05:45,295
I may not have thought he
was a big celebrity but it

1156
01:05:45,297 --> 01:05:48,998
became really clear to me super
fast that he was to others.

1157
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,467
OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy,

1158
01:05:51,469 --> 01:05:54,370
football, and great actor.

1159
01:05:54,372 --> 01:05:56,973
OJ Simpson has been a
hero of mine since college.

1160
01:05:56,975 --> 01:05:59,709
I think he's a great
man and a a great hero,

1161
01:05:59,711 --> 01:06:01,911
and has touched a lot of lives.

1162
01:06:03,248 --> 01:06:05,081
I don't think he did it,

1163
01:06:05,083 --> 01:06:08,084
doesn't seem like that kind of person.

1164
01:06:08,086 --> 01:06:11,921
I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito.

1165
01:06:11,923 --> 01:06:14,657
Judge Ito is an acceptable fashion.

1166
01:06:16,761 --> 01:06:18,995
Judge Ito will be accepted
for the people as well.

1167
01:06:18,997 --> 01:06:23,266
Very well, thank you, then
that is the assignment.

1168
01:06:23,268 --> 01:06:25,868
Here's the first time we'll
really get to see the system.

1169
01:06:25,870 --> 01:06:27,737
To see if it really works.

1170
01:06:27,739 --> 01:06:31,007
For someone with some money, a celebrity.

1171
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:36,379
A well loved, respected,
cherished type of man.

1172
01:06:36,381 --> 01:06:39,682
Now, let's see if
justice can work for him.

1173
01:06:48,226 --> 01:06:50,860
(dramatic music)

1174
01:06:58,203 --> 01:07:00,436
There's nothing more important

1175
01:07:00,438 --> 01:07:04,340
during a jury trial, than
the selection of your jury.

1176
01:07:07,579 --> 01:07:10,780
You can win or lose you case right there.

1177
01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:15,285
The issue of where to conduct the trial,

1178
01:07:15,287 --> 01:07:19,188
the Santa Monica court house,
largely white jury pool.

1179
01:07:20,992 --> 01:07:23,860
Downtown LA, largely black jury pool.

1180
01:07:25,330 --> 01:07:27,096
Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said,

1181
01:07:27,098 --> 01:07:30,233
"Well it just logistically
had to be downtown."

1182
01:07:30,235 --> 01:07:31,834
A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti,

1183
01:07:31,836 --> 01:07:35,805
elected official, needed to protect

1184
01:07:35,807 --> 01:07:38,574
his reputation in the black community,

1185
01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:42,578
a big voting block, by
keeping the case downtown.

1186
01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,281
I'm confident that we can, indeed,

1187
01:07:45,283 --> 01:07:49,085
find white, black,
brown, every color juror

1188
01:07:49,087 --> 01:07:54,090
there is, who will, indeed,
be fair and impartial.

1189
01:07:54,092 --> 01:07:58,127
I think it would have
been societally better,

1190
01:07:58,129 --> 01:08:02,999
from the DA's perspective,
to win a conviction downtown.

1191
01:08:03,001 --> 01:08:04,867
And to not be accused
of having stacked this,

1192
01:08:04,869 --> 01:08:06,969
in such a way that whites were to

1193
01:08:06,971 --> 01:08:09,672
stand in judgment of black men.

1194
01:08:12,143 --> 01:08:13,976
If you have a juror who believes

1195
01:08:13,978 --> 01:08:18,114
police never do anything
wrong, you're in tough shape.

1196
01:08:18,116 --> 01:08:20,983
Certainly, you can find most people,

1197
01:08:20,985 --> 01:08:23,186
want to believe their police officers are

1198
01:08:23,188 --> 01:08:24,554
fair and want to do their job and so

1199
01:08:24,556 --> 01:08:27,123
that's a given, you start with that,

1200
01:08:27,125 --> 01:08:28,524
but you've got to find that person who

1201
01:08:28,526 --> 01:08:30,126
understands that in the real world

1202
01:08:30,128 --> 01:08:32,762
that doesn't happen all the time.

1203
01:08:35,834 --> 01:08:39,535
We interviewed over 5000
people in Los Angeles

1204
01:08:39,537 --> 01:08:41,971
in perpetration for the OJ Simpson trial.

1205
01:08:41,973 --> 01:08:43,940
The conclusions were that

1206
01:08:45,210 --> 01:08:48,077
just presenting the straight up evidence,

1207
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:50,246
you weren't going to get a lot of

1208
01:08:50,248 --> 01:08:54,217
sympathetic African American females,

1209
01:08:54,219 --> 01:08:57,053
many harbored a resentment that this

1210
01:08:57,055 --> 01:08:59,722
famous athlete, this charming guy,

1211
01:08:59,724 --> 01:09:01,924
had a married a white, blonde woman

1212
01:09:01,926 --> 01:09:05,828
rather than someone
from his own community.

1213
01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:10,032
But the antagonism was to her and not him.

1214
01:09:10,034 --> 01:09:12,502
OJ you look gorgeous right now.

1215
01:09:13,938 --> 01:09:16,539
How come you're so loyal to this man

1216
01:09:16,541 --> 01:09:19,575
who married a white woman?

1217
01:09:19,577 --> 01:09:23,513
And was dating her while he
was married to a black woman.

1218
01:09:25,383 --> 01:09:27,216
I mean, doesn't any of this make

1219
01:09:27,218 --> 01:09:31,053
you feel a little less defensive of him.

1220
01:09:31,055 --> 01:09:33,723
Marcia Clark had this

1221
01:09:33,725 --> 01:09:37,093
faith about her ability to connect

1222
01:09:37,095 --> 01:09:39,328
with African American woman.

1223
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:42,365
African American women had been some

1224
01:09:42,367 --> 01:09:44,534
of my best jurors on previous cases.

1225
01:09:44,536 --> 01:09:47,370
Even when the defendant
was an African American.

1226
01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:49,272
There was just a way, an easy way I had,

1227
01:09:49,274 --> 01:09:51,741
that I could talk to them.

1228
01:09:51,743 --> 01:09:53,042
Now, we will show you the other side

1229
01:09:53,044 --> 01:09:55,278
of the smiling face that you
saw on the Hertz commercial.

1230
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,047
We had trial simulations.

1231
01:09:58,049 --> 01:09:59,882
The one you never saw on camera.

1232
01:09:59,884 --> 01:10:02,885
Marcia was not received positively.

1233
01:10:04,222 --> 01:10:07,623
Marcia Clark, every black woman, bitch.

1234
01:10:10,728 --> 01:10:12,128
When they had the mock jury,

1235
01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:13,763
the mock trial, and some of the comments

1236
01:10:13,765 --> 01:10:15,731
came back about you, about maybe being

1237
01:10:15,733 --> 01:10:17,066
really hard or tough, what did you

1238
01:10:17,068 --> 01:10:18,935
think when you heard some of that.

1239
01:10:18,937 --> 01:10:22,305
I was very surprised, the balance of them

1240
01:10:22,307 --> 01:10:25,241
said good things, so, you know, the media

1241
01:10:25,243 --> 01:10:27,510
takes one kernel and blows it up into

1242
01:10:27,512 --> 01:10:29,045
a huge bowl of popcorn.

1243
01:10:31,282 --> 01:10:33,082
Marcia tended to discount the

1244
01:10:33,084 --> 01:10:35,284
fact that black women jurors didn't

1245
01:10:35,286 --> 01:10:37,887
seem to appreciate her very much.

1246
01:10:39,691 --> 01:10:41,123
I had no illusions about what

1247
01:10:41,125 --> 01:10:43,593
I was going to be up against.

1248
01:10:43,595 --> 01:10:44,827
The odds were stacked against us

1249
01:10:44,829 --> 01:10:46,462
in terms of the African American jurors

1250
01:10:46,464 --> 01:10:49,465
because that's what the polls showed.

1251
01:10:49,467 --> 01:10:50,833
A California poll, released

1252
01:10:50,835 --> 01:10:53,269
today, found that only 10% of blacks,

1253
01:10:53,271 --> 01:10:54,504
who were surveyed, believed it is very

1254
01:10:54,506 --> 01:10:56,939
likely, that Simpson was guilty.

1255
01:10:59,110 --> 01:11:02,345
The ideal juror would have been

1256
01:11:02,347 --> 01:11:05,047
younger, i.e. someone not familiar

1257
01:11:05,049 --> 01:11:08,451
with Simpson at the high of his fame,

1258
01:11:08,453 --> 01:11:10,253
Asian, or probably white.

1259
01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:14,690
All we want, just give me,

1260
01:11:14,692 --> 01:11:17,693
12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors

1261
01:11:19,697 --> 01:11:21,497
who are going to follow the law

1262
01:11:21,499 --> 01:11:24,300
and put aside their personal feelings

1263
01:11:24,302 --> 01:11:27,904
and do what the court
and the law requires.

1264
01:11:35,146 --> 01:11:36,879
In Los Angeles today,
the judge and lawyers

1265
01:11:36,881 --> 01:11:38,848
in the OJ Simpson murder trial began

1266
01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:42,084
interviewing prospective
jurors face to face.

1267
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,927
Just to set the scene for you,

1268
01:11:50,929 --> 01:11:53,029
when all the jurors walk in,

1269
01:11:53,031 --> 01:11:56,532
all the attorneys are lined
up like a receiving line,

1270
01:11:56,534 --> 01:11:59,368
and several times during the proceedings,

1271
01:11:59,370 --> 01:12:01,571
OJ Simpson would turn and seem to

1272
01:12:01,573 --> 01:12:03,272
make eye contact with people,

1273
01:12:03,274 --> 01:12:07,076
and occasionally smile
at people in the audience.

1274
01:12:36,374 --> 01:12:39,041
The quest for impartial jurors has

1275
01:12:39,043 --> 01:12:41,877
been going on now for more than a month.

1276
01:12:47,452 --> 01:12:49,785
They called me to the chair.

1277
01:12:51,322 --> 01:12:54,256
When I sat down, I didn't
even put my purse down.

1278
01:12:54,258 --> 01:12:56,726
Because I felt like it
was going to be that quick.

1279
01:12:56,728 --> 01:12:58,394
They were going to say, you're excused.

1280
01:12:58,396 --> 01:12:59,495
I'm looking at the list,

1281
01:12:59,497 --> 01:13:01,097
I know what's coming up.

1282
01:13:01,099 --> 01:13:02,264
I know who's left behind me.

1283
01:13:02,266 --> 01:13:03,466
I know what I've got in the box.

1284
01:13:03,468 --> 01:13:04,900
I have to look and see,

1285
01:13:04,902 --> 01:13:07,269
am I going to do better or worse.

1286
01:13:07,271 --> 01:13:10,272
There was a process,
of what I have labeled

1287
01:13:10,274 --> 01:13:11,741
as reverse Darwinism,

1288
01:13:13,344 --> 01:13:16,445
I call it the survival
of the most unfit jurors.

1289
01:13:16,447 --> 01:13:17,480
Many it seems want to watch,

1290
01:13:17,482 --> 01:13:20,449
but fewer wish to serve.

1291
01:13:20,451 --> 01:13:22,852
91 of 219 people summoned for

1292
01:13:22,854 --> 01:13:25,087
Simpson jury duty,
said in a questionnaire,

1293
01:13:25,089 --> 01:13:28,758
a likely 6 month trial would
be too great a hardship.

1294
01:13:32,597 --> 01:13:34,997
I think it's the only way, to ensure

1295
01:13:34,999 --> 01:13:38,901
that we are going to have
a fair trial for both sides.

1296
01:13:42,006 --> 01:13:46,542
Jurors who were available for six months

1297
01:13:46,544 --> 01:13:49,912
skewed heavily towards
a lower socioeconomic

1298
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:56,585
strata of jurors and a
much more diverse jury pool.

1299
01:13:58,856 --> 01:14:00,556
A lot of smart jurors who might have been

1300
01:14:00,558 --> 01:14:04,527
open to DNA scientific evidence
simply went by the wayside.

1301
01:14:06,564 --> 01:14:09,799
We didn't have many of our type of juror.

1302
01:14:11,836 --> 01:14:13,569
I thought, okay, I better
quit while I'm behind

1303
01:14:13,571 --> 01:14:15,838
and not get further behind because it was

1304
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,908
only going to go downhill from there.

1305
01:14:20,378 --> 01:14:21,811
They said, your honor we accept,

1306
01:14:21,813 --> 01:14:24,947
and at that point, I sunk in my chair.

1307
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:28,317
I was stunned.

1308
01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:31,887
Oh my God, oh my God,
and I told my daughter,

1309
01:14:33,424 --> 01:14:36,092
and she said, oh mother, oh my God.

1310
01:14:40,431 --> 01:14:43,299
And my son, he said, oh my God, mother.

1311
01:14:46,738 --> 01:14:49,004
And that was it.

1312
01:14:49,006 --> 01:14:52,908
In the end, we did the best
we could with a bad lot.

1313
01:14:55,513 --> 01:14:58,848
We wound up with eight
African American women,

1314
01:14:58,850 --> 01:15:01,584
I thought, you know it
will be an uphill battle

1315
01:15:01,586 --> 01:15:03,352
but I think they'll listen.

1316
01:15:03,354 --> 01:15:06,055
Thrilled, we're thrilled.

1317
01:15:06,057 --> 01:15:08,591
We were so stunned

1318
01:15:08,593 --> 01:15:12,194
that we had such a large
collection of favorable jurors.

1319
01:15:13,598 --> 01:15:16,432
75% of the actual jurors believed

1320
01:15:18,469 --> 01:15:20,870
that he could not have
committed these murders

1321
01:15:20,872 --> 01:15:24,607
because he excelled at football at USC.

1322
01:15:24,609 --> 01:15:25,708
The only thing that could get you

1323
01:15:25,710 --> 01:15:27,209
through some times is that guys

1324
01:15:27,211 --> 01:15:29,478
look at each other and
say, hey man, we are SC.

1325
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:32,114
(laughing)

1326
01:15:32,116 --> 01:15:35,384
We were about to walk in to

1327
01:15:35,386 --> 01:15:37,486
the lockup from the court room.

1328
01:15:37,488 --> 01:15:39,855
OJ looked back one last time,

1329
01:15:41,058 --> 01:15:42,491
it was me, Johnny, we were going

1330
01:15:42,493 --> 01:15:44,226
back to talk about everything

1331
01:15:44,228 --> 01:15:46,629
and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury

1332
01:15:47,899 --> 01:15:50,399
convicts me, maybe I did do it."

1333
01:16:00,478 --> 01:16:03,379
(birds chirping)

1334
01:16:04,315 --> 01:16:07,183
(orchestral music)

1335
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,929
It has seven months to reach this point.

1336
01:16:22,466 --> 01:16:23,866
We are, and I think the client,

1337
01:16:23,868 --> 01:16:26,268
is really, really pleased, that we

1338
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:30,105
can have someone stand up and
speak to the tryers of fact.

1339
01:16:31,342 --> 01:16:34,176
Time to stop posturing.

1340
01:16:34,178 --> 01:16:35,444
Let's go to trial.

1341
01:16:35,446 --> 01:16:38,614
Have a good one everybody.

1342
01:16:38,616 --> 01:16:40,683
Five, four, three, two, one.

1343
01:16:48,125 --> 01:16:51,594
Council and the audience please be seated.

1344
01:16:53,231 --> 01:16:55,497
Alright, are both sides prepared
to go forward, Mr. Cochran?

1345
01:16:55,499 --> 01:16:56,465
We are, your Honor.

1346
01:16:56,467 --> 01:16:57,333
Ms. Clark?

1347
01:16:57,335 --> 01:16:58,534
Yes, we are, your Honor.

1348
01:16:58,536 --> 01:16:59,535
Alright, do the people wish

1349
01:16:59,537 --> 01:17:00,302
to make an opening statement?

1350
01:17:00,304 --> 01:17:02,304
Yes we do.

1351
01:17:02,306 --> 01:17:03,339
Alright, you may proceed.

1352
01:17:03,341 --> 01:17:05,441
Mr. Darden, thank you.

1353
01:17:07,245 --> 01:17:09,645
When we started off,

1354
01:17:09,647 --> 01:17:13,749
the prosecution had their team of lawyers.

1355
01:17:13,751 --> 01:17:17,086
Your Honor Judge Ito, Mr. Cochran,

1356
01:17:17,088 --> 01:17:19,421
Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman.

1357
01:17:20,558 --> 01:17:22,825
And here's this new face at the table.

1358
01:17:22,827 --> 01:17:24,760
And to you ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,

1359
01:17:24,762 --> 01:17:26,862
Good morning.

1360
01:17:26,864 --> 01:17:29,365
And I'm like, why are they bring him here?

1361
01:17:29,367 --> 01:17:30,532
And we're here today,

1362
01:17:30,534 --> 01:17:32,668
obviously, to resolve an issue,

1363
01:17:33,871 --> 01:17:35,371
to settle a question,

1364
01:17:35,373 --> 01:17:37,573
a question that has been on the minds of

1365
01:17:37,575 --> 01:17:40,576
people throughout the country
these last seven months.

1366
01:17:40,578 --> 01:17:42,011
Certainly has been on the mind

1367
01:17:42,013 --> 01:17:43,612
of my people up in Richmond, California

1368
01:17:43,614 --> 01:17:45,614
and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia

1369
01:17:45,616 --> 01:17:46,715
and all across the country and

1370
01:17:46,717 --> 01:17:48,384
everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson

1371
01:17:48,386 --> 01:17:51,820
really kill Nicole
Brown and Ronald Goldman?

1372
01:17:55,393 --> 01:17:58,527
It was apparent to everyone in America,

1373
01:18:01,299 --> 01:18:03,432
why he was now on the case.

1374
01:18:05,269 --> 01:18:07,536
Well, certainly because he was black.

1375
01:18:07,538 --> 01:18:09,872
If that was pearbuddy,
because he was a good lawyer.

1376
01:18:09,874 --> 01:18:11,607
He's a good lawyer, we
needed to add to the team.

1377
01:18:11,609 --> 01:18:14,944
Thicken the team up,
that's the party line.

1378
01:18:16,714 --> 01:18:20,449
I thought Chris was a
very good trial lawyer.

1379
01:18:20,451 --> 01:18:23,052
Any questions for Chris?

1380
01:18:23,054 --> 01:18:24,620
He was young, he was learning.

1381
01:18:24,622 --> 01:18:26,455
Come on, man, come on.

1382
01:18:26,457 --> 01:18:29,558
Look at this guy, come on,
we have to drag him over.

1383
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,327
But he was very good.

1384
01:18:32,897 --> 01:18:35,898
There was a little bit of cockiness.

1385
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,101
But it was not an offensive cockiness.

1386
01:18:39,103 --> 01:18:40,569
I don't care what anybody says,

1387
01:18:40,571 --> 01:18:41,937
I dress much better than Johnny Cochran.

1388
01:18:41,939 --> 01:18:43,339
(laughing)

1389
01:18:43,341 --> 01:18:45,741
Johnny, I'm going to introduce you to my,

1390
01:18:45,743 --> 01:18:48,978
well I'm gonna show you the
rack where I buy my suits.

1391
01:18:48,980 --> 01:18:50,112
He had a pretty good reputation

1392
01:18:50,114 --> 01:18:52,514
as someone who can build a case.

1393
01:18:54,085 --> 01:18:58,620
And of course, most
notably, Chris was black.

1394
01:18:58,622 --> 01:19:00,522
And Marcia and I were not.

1395
01:19:07,031 --> 01:19:09,999
You hear a lot about
this talk about justice.

1396
01:19:10,001 --> 01:19:11,834
I guess, Dr. Martin
Luther King said it best,

1397
01:19:11,836 --> 01:19:14,103
when he said that, injustice anywhere

1398
01:19:14,105 --> 01:19:17,006
is a threat to justice everywhere.

1399
01:19:17,008 --> 01:19:20,609
So, we are now, embarked
upon this search for justice.

1400
01:19:22,113 --> 01:19:25,114
I have to tell you
personally, for all the cases

1401
01:19:25,116 --> 01:19:27,783
I've tried, I never felt so white.

1402
01:19:29,053 --> 01:19:31,320
It seems to me that the fact that blood

1403
01:19:31,322 --> 01:19:35,057
mysteriously appears on
vital pieces of evidence

1404
01:19:35,059 --> 01:19:39,828
and it's predicted what the
results will be regarding DNA,

1405
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:43,232
when that evidence is
still in the police lab,

1406
01:19:43,234 --> 01:19:47,136
is devastating evidence of
something far more sinister.

1407
01:19:48,739 --> 01:19:52,574
Using the concept of a
conspiracy, historically,

1408
01:19:54,078 --> 01:19:59,214
in Los Angeles will
resonate with diverse jurors,

1409
01:19:59,216 --> 01:20:01,550
who know about this history.

1410
01:20:03,721 --> 01:20:06,388
You had to have someone to blame.

1411
01:20:08,259 --> 01:20:11,493
Detective Mark Fuhrman,
now it's very interesting,

1412
01:20:11,495 --> 01:20:14,596
that the prosecution never once

1413
01:20:14,598 --> 01:20:16,865
mentioned his name yesterday.

1414
01:20:16,867 --> 01:20:18,834
It's like they just want to hide him,

1415
01:20:18,836 --> 01:20:22,438
but they can't hide him, he
very much a part of this case.

1416
01:20:24,375 --> 01:20:26,809
Chris Darden saw that this case

1417
01:20:28,379 --> 01:20:31,847
was becoming this weird
referendum on the LAPD,

1418
01:20:36,754 --> 01:20:40,789
on the history of race in Los Angeles.

1419
01:20:40,791 --> 01:20:43,659
And Chris, he understood those issues.

1420
01:20:44,862 --> 01:20:48,797
He had worked in what
was then our SID unit,

1421
01:20:48,799 --> 01:20:51,667
which investigated police abuse cases.

1422
01:20:53,571 --> 01:20:55,370
They obtained those warrants

1423
01:20:55,372 --> 01:20:58,774
simply to level and make
uninhabitable those locations.

1424
01:20:58,776 --> 01:21:00,876
Andyof the police officers that were

1425
01:21:00,878 --> 01:21:03,612
called to testify by
us, lied on the stand,

1426
01:21:03,614 --> 01:21:07,116
it was obvious to everyone
that they were lying.

1427
01:21:07,118 --> 01:21:10,786
Every black lawyer idolized
Johnny Cochran in 1994.

1428
01:21:13,891 --> 01:21:17,893
And I say, Chris Darden
wanted to out Johnny, Johnny.

1429
01:21:21,265 --> 01:21:23,165
He wanted to beat the man

1430
01:21:24,602 --> 01:21:26,869
on the biggest stage of his career.

1431
01:21:33,978 --> 01:21:35,811
Police detective Mark Fuhrman,

1432
01:21:35,813 --> 01:21:39,748
did he find or plant a bloody
glove at Simpson's estate?

1433
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:41,950
Judge Lance Ito must soon decide

1434
01:21:41,952 --> 01:21:43,352
whether the jury gets to hear

1435
01:21:43,354 --> 01:21:46,655
about detective Fuhrman's checkered past.

1436
01:21:48,092 --> 01:21:51,260
We knew Fuhrman was going
to be an important witness.

1437
01:21:51,262 --> 01:21:54,029
People had indicated that
he had used racist language

1438
01:21:54,031 --> 01:21:57,799
in an offensive way, I
think, in a way that jurors

1439
01:21:57,801 --> 01:22:00,102
and everybody else would not like.

1440
01:22:00,104 --> 01:22:02,271
The N word, or any other racial epitaph,

1441
01:22:02,273 --> 01:22:05,941
has an inflammatory effect,
that is incomparable,

1442
01:22:05,943 --> 01:22:08,677
and to that specific issue,

1443
01:22:08,679 --> 01:22:10,846
Mr. Darden wishes to
address the court, and

1444
01:22:10,848 --> 01:22:13,982
I think I'll conclude
my comments at this time.

1445
01:22:13,984 --> 01:22:16,552
Mr. Darden, good morning.

1446
01:22:16,554 --> 01:22:19,555
Good morning, your Honor.

1447
01:22:19,557 --> 01:22:20,856
Your honor, I think the best indication

1448
01:22:20,858 --> 01:22:22,791
or evidence on just how inflammatory

1449
01:22:22,793 --> 01:22:25,794
the use of the word is, is the fact

1450
01:22:25,796 --> 01:22:28,030
that it appears that Mr. Cochran and I,

1451
01:22:28,032 --> 01:22:31,066
the only two black lead lawyers

1452
01:22:31,068 --> 01:22:33,001
on each side of the council table

1453
01:22:33,003 --> 01:22:34,836
are some how dragged into this issue,

1454
01:22:34,838 --> 01:22:37,306
to argue the issue to the court.

1455
01:22:37,308 --> 01:22:40,075
They used him to make the argument,

1456
01:22:41,845 --> 01:22:44,846
that an African American jury

1457
01:22:44,848 --> 01:22:48,850
can not listen to the
utterance of that word

1458
01:22:48,852 --> 01:22:52,921
in some sort of
dispassionate, objective way.

1459
01:22:52,923 --> 01:22:54,156
It blinds people,

1460
01:22:55,826 --> 01:22:56,992
it will blind the jury.

1461
01:22:56,994 --> 01:22:59,261
It will blind them to the truth.

1462
01:22:59,263 --> 01:23:02,831
They won't be able to discern
what's true and what's not.

1463
01:23:02,833 --> 01:23:04,700
He hit the nail on the head.

1464
01:23:04,702 --> 01:23:06,268
He said, if you do this, you know,

1465
01:23:06,270 --> 01:23:08,870
then that's all that this
case is gonna be about.

1466
01:23:08,872 --> 01:23:12,241
All they'll think about is
frame up, frame up, frame up.

1467
01:23:12,243 --> 01:23:13,609
All they do is mention the word,

1468
01:23:13,611 --> 01:23:16,111
say to Mark Fuhrman, hey did you ever

1469
01:23:16,113 --> 01:23:18,547
use that N word, and he'll
say, Yeah and it's over.

1470
01:23:18,549 --> 01:23:21,016
He must have planted the glove.

1471
01:23:21,018 --> 01:23:23,885
I remember whispering to Johnny,

1472
01:23:23,887 --> 01:23:25,287
is this nigger serious?

1473
01:23:25,289 --> 01:23:27,289
And I'm not saying Mark
Fuhrman is a racist.

1474
01:23:27,291 --> 01:23:29,024
Is this nigger crazy?

1475
01:23:29,026 --> 01:23:30,459
He was suffering from stress and

1476
01:23:30,461 --> 01:23:31,560
it has to be stressful to be a

1477
01:23:31,562 --> 01:23:33,028
police officer in the city of LA,

1478
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:34,363
geez the stuff that is going on

1479
01:23:34,365 --> 01:23:37,766
in this city in the
last five to six years.

1480
01:23:37,768 --> 01:23:38,867
Is he serious?

1481
01:23:40,271 --> 01:23:42,938
Or is he just carrying
the white man's bucket?

1482
01:23:42,940 --> 01:23:44,273
It will give them a test, and

1483
01:23:44,275 --> 01:23:46,241
the test will be, who's side are you on?

1484
01:23:46,243 --> 01:23:48,744
The side of the white prosecutors
and the white policemen

1485
01:23:48,746 --> 01:23:50,612
or on the side of the black defendant and

1486
01:23:50,614 --> 01:23:54,483
his very prominent and
capable black lawyer.

1487
01:23:54,485 --> 01:23:56,818
That's what it's gonna do, either you're

1488
01:23:56,820 --> 01:24:00,155
with the man or you're with the brothers.

1489
01:24:01,792 --> 01:24:03,825
I must say, and this is one of those

1490
01:24:03,827 --> 01:24:05,761
sort of bracing moments, this is why you

1491
01:24:05,763 --> 01:24:07,996
need diversity in newsrooms, by the way,

1492
01:24:07,998 --> 01:24:09,398
is that I came out of there thinking

1493
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,233
that Darden made a pretty good point.

1494
01:24:11,235 --> 01:24:13,068
That it's such a shocking word,

1495
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:16,571
that I found myself
flinching at the use of it.

1496
01:24:16,573 --> 01:24:18,006
My colleague, Andrea Ford,

1497
01:24:18,008 --> 01:24:20,809
an African American women, was outraged.

1498
01:24:20,811 --> 01:24:22,678
She felt it was really insulting

1499
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,780
to blacks, to African Americans,

1500
01:24:24,782 --> 01:24:26,014
to think they couldn't hear the word

1501
01:24:26,016 --> 01:24:28,984
and give it the proper weight.

1502
01:24:28,986 --> 01:24:32,087
And I remember thinking,
after talking to Andrea,

1503
01:24:32,089 --> 01:24:34,823
wow, that didn't really occur to me.

1504
01:24:34,825 --> 01:24:37,359
It is a reminder, that who we are

1505
01:24:37,361 --> 01:24:39,995
and how we're brought up does
affect the way we hear things.

1506
01:24:39,997 --> 01:24:41,196
Thank you very much, Judge Ito.

1507
01:24:41,198 --> 01:24:43,365
I have a funeral to attend today but

1508
01:24:43,367 --> 01:24:46,702
I would be remiss were I not at this time

1509
01:24:46,704 --> 01:24:47,969
to take this opportunity to respond

1510
01:24:47,971 --> 01:24:51,006
to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden.

1511
01:24:51,008 --> 01:24:52,974
When Johnny gets angry,
which is very rare,

1512
01:24:52,976 --> 01:24:56,611
you know, he's remarkably
articulate and good.

1513
01:24:57,815 --> 01:25:00,015
Johnny got angry that day.

1514
01:25:00,017 --> 01:25:02,017
His remarks this morning

1515
01:25:02,019 --> 01:25:03,518
are perhaps the most incredible remarks

1516
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,321
I've heard in the court of law

1517
01:25:06,323 --> 01:25:09,124
in the 32 years I've been practicing law.

1518
01:25:09,126 --> 01:25:12,861
His remarks are demeaning to
African Americans as a group.

1519
01:25:15,032 --> 01:25:17,566
And so I want, before
I go to this funeral,

1520
01:25:17,568 --> 01:25:21,136
to apologize to African
Americans across this country.

1521
01:25:21,138 --> 01:25:23,839
African Americans live
with offensive words,

1522
01:25:23,841 --> 01:25:26,308
offensive looks, offensive treatment

1523
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:27,943
everyday of their lives.

1524
01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:34,049
To say they can't be fair
is absolutely outrageous.

1525
01:25:34,051 --> 01:25:35,051
I am ashamed

1526
01:25:36,587 --> 01:25:38,854
that Mr. Darden would allow himself to

1527
01:25:38,856 --> 01:25:41,390
become an apologist for this man.

1528
01:25:42,860 --> 01:25:46,995
You can't justify that
in a civilized society.

1529
01:25:46,997 --> 01:25:50,732
Nobody wants introduce race
into this case, your honor.

1530
01:25:50,734 --> 01:25:52,000
Johnny was dying to get the word

1531
01:25:52,002 --> 01:25:54,035
nigger in front of the jury.

1532
01:25:54,037 --> 01:25:57,072
He also did it in such a way

1533
01:25:57,074 --> 01:25:59,508
that, frankly, he made
Darden look ridiculous.

1534
01:25:59,510 --> 01:26:01,209
To come here and testify
as an expert to you

1535
01:26:01,211 --> 01:26:03,211
of what black people think in America.

1536
01:26:03,213 --> 01:26:05,881
All across America, today, believe me

1537
01:26:05,883 --> 01:26:08,750
black people are offended
at this very moment.

1538
01:26:08,752 --> 01:26:11,453
I think that Johnny was rough on him.

1539
01:26:11,455 --> 01:26:13,355
I think it hurt his feelings.

1540
01:26:13,357 --> 01:26:14,756
A lot of people thought that Chris

1541
01:26:14,758 --> 01:26:17,559
would end up at the Cochran firm.

1542
01:26:17,561 --> 01:26:20,128
And, obviously, that didn't happen.

1543
01:26:21,598 --> 01:26:23,432
People had contempt for him because

1544
01:26:23,434 --> 01:26:27,169
they felt like he was a
tool that was being used.

1545
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,205
So time to not to do things that

1546
01:26:30,207 --> 01:26:33,275
it seems to me will last
a person's entire career

1547
01:26:33,277 --> 01:26:36,978
such as insulting a whole race of people

1548
01:26:36,980 --> 01:26:39,247
who have meant so much to this country.

1549
01:26:39,249 --> 01:26:43,218
Let's be clear about this, the subtext

1550
01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:45,754
of everything that Johnny Cochran said

1551
01:26:45,756 --> 01:26:48,156
about Chris Darden was, Uncle Tom.

1552
01:26:50,260 --> 01:26:52,828
And it was egregiously unfair.

1553
01:26:54,798 --> 01:26:56,832
Johnny Cochran, among other things,

1554
01:26:56,834 --> 01:27:00,068
tried OJ was an African
American defendant.

1555
01:27:00,070 --> 01:27:02,671
When OJ Simpson didn't really have

1556
01:27:02,673 --> 01:27:06,575
much of a reputation as an
African American person, really.

1557
01:27:07,945 --> 01:27:09,344
I used to walk on the wild side,

1558
01:27:09,346 --> 01:27:11,680
now I just take a brisk walk.

1559
01:27:14,852 --> 01:27:17,118
This was not a person
that you thought of as a,

1560
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:21,122
kind of, iconic black
figure in Los Angeles.

1561
01:27:21,124 --> 01:27:24,593
I mean, he lived two
blocks from Mayor Riordan.

1562
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:29,931
(dramatic music)

1563
01:27:31,268 --> 01:27:34,202
We wanted the jury to see Bundy

1564
01:27:34,204 --> 01:27:35,871
but the defense said, well if we're

1565
01:27:35,873 --> 01:27:40,008
going to do that, we
have to go to Rockingham.

1566
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:41,543
They do not need to go to Rockingham

1567
01:27:41,545 --> 01:27:44,679
but if they do, show them
where they found the glove.

1568
01:27:44,681 --> 01:27:48,350
That's all that arguable relevant.

1569
01:27:48,352 --> 01:27:50,485
(police radios)

1570
01:27:50,487 --> 01:27:52,554
We come to find that Ito was going

1571
01:27:52,556 --> 01:27:55,223
to let them go into Rockingham.

1572
01:27:55,225 --> 01:27:56,324
He's going to march the jury

1573
01:27:56,326 --> 01:27:57,492
through the inside of the house,

1574
01:27:57,494 --> 01:27:59,628
which is relevant to what?

1575
01:27:59,630 --> 01:28:01,530
No part of the crime
happened inside the house.

1576
01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:03,431
What are we doing there?

1577
01:28:08,205 --> 01:28:12,874
What we did that day
is create an illusion.

1578
01:28:12,876 --> 01:28:16,044
When you would walk up the grand staircase

1579
01:28:17,881 --> 01:28:22,317
there was a large wall
with pictures of the family,

1580
01:28:22,319 --> 01:28:23,785
pictures of friends,

1581
01:28:25,589 --> 01:28:28,523
pictures of OJ's career,

1582
01:28:28,525 --> 01:28:32,727
problem was the overwhelming majority of

1583
01:28:32,729 --> 01:28:36,631
pictures were of Caucasian
friends and colleagues of his.

1584
01:28:42,272 --> 01:28:45,240
We had an African American jury

1585
01:28:45,242 --> 01:28:48,910
and we wanted to make
sure that the home setting

1586
01:28:51,114 --> 01:28:54,916
would reflect the themes
that we wanted to reflect.

1587
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,019
We took all of his white friends down.

1588
01:28:58,021 --> 01:29:00,755
Put all of his black people up.

1589
01:29:00,757 --> 01:29:03,925
Pictures he probably had never seen before

1590
01:29:05,095 --> 01:29:06,962
because that is what we were told

1591
01:29:06,964 --> 01:29:08,997
the jury would identify with.

1592
01:29:10,233 --> 01:29:12,033
We made him blacker.

1593
01:29:13,303 --> 01:29:16,037
There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph

1594
01:29:17,574 --> 01:29:19,941
that we took from Johnny's office

1595
01:29:22,212 --> 01:29:25,880
and we put that picture at
the very top of the stairs.

1596
01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:34,456
We did not remove all of his
pictures with white people.

1597
01:29:34,458 --> 01:29:36,224
The whole house would have been gone,

1598
01:29:36,226 --> 01:29:39,995
would have been dark, we didn't do that.

1599
01:29:39,997 --> 01:29:44,566
You have got to be kidding
me, it's night and day.

1600
01:29:44,568 --> 01:29:46,234
This was an African American man's house.

1601
01:29:46,236 --> 01:29:50,472
Who had no associations with
any white guys whatsoever.

1602
01:29:50,474 --> 01:29:52,040
Marcia saw the wall

1603
01:29:55,078 --> 01:29:58,480
and she said, "Carl, you
know damn well, he has never

1604
01:29:58,482 --> 01:30:03,284
had this many black people
on his wall, his entire life."

1605
01:30:03,286 --> 01:30:06,321
I said, "Marcia, what are talking about?

1606
01:30:06,323 --> 01:30:10,525
How dare you accuse us of such things."

1607
01:30:10,527 --> 01:30:13,595
I was miserable, I was angry.

1608
01:30:13,597 --> 01:30:15,830
That is very dirty pool.

1609
01:30:15,832 --> 01:30:17,999
If we had had a Latin jury,

1610
01:30:18,001 --> 01:30:20,001
we would have had a picture
of him in a sombrero,

1611
01:30:20,003 --> 01:30:24,439
there would have been a
mariachi band out front,

1612
01:30:24,441 --> 01:30:27,842
we would have had a pinata
at the upper staircase.

1613
01:30:27,844 --> 01:30:29,678
I objected, we went outside,

1614
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,212
we convened a hearing and I said,

1615
01:30:31,214 --> 01:30:33,281
this has no relevance whatsoever.

1616
01:30:33,283 --> 01:30:34,482
They've now changed the scene.

1617
01:30:34,484 --> 01:30:35,984
It was never relevant to begin with

1618
01:30:35,986 --> 01:30:38,553
and now it's completely irrelevant.

1619
01:30:38,555 --> 01:30:40,188
You know the defense is always

1620
01:30:40,190 --> 01:30:42,457
going to push the envelope,
that's what they do.

1621
01:30:42,459 --> 01:30:45,627
It's up to the judge to stop them.

1622
01:30:45,629 --> 01:30:48,096
Ito let them get away with it.

1623
01:30:49,332 --> 01:30:52,534
(dramatic music)

1624
01:30:52,536 --> 01:30:55,203
All of a sudden he became black.

1625
01:30:55,205 --> 01:30:58,940
They threw off the cape
and now he's one of them.

1626
01:31:02,245 --> 01:31:04,813
I was surprised to see the depth

1627
01:31:04,815 --> 01:31:06,314
of feeling that so many people in

1628
01:31:06,316 --> 01:31:07,849
the black community, certainly those

1629
01:31:07,851 --> 01:31:11,586
around the courthouse, had for him.

1630
01:31:11,588 --> 01:31:12,821
I feel that he is not guilty and

1631
01:31:12,823 --> 01:31:14,989
I also feel that he is being unfairly

1632
01:31:14,991 --> 01:31:17,192
treated as so have a lot of African

1633
01:31:17,194 --> 01:31:22,063
American persons who have been
through the judicial process.

1634
01:31:22,065 --> 01:31:24,566
I think that you find among black people,

1635
01:31:24,568 --> 01:31:27,335
an incredible amount of forgiveness

1636
01:31:27,337 --> 01:31:29,838
for anybody living through the pain

1637
01:31:31,541 --> 01:31:33,942
of being black in America.

1638
01:31:33,944 --> 01:31:35,443
They were not involved with OJ

1639
01:31:35,445 --> 01:31:37,512
in terms of critical thinking.

1640
01:31:37,514 --> 01:31:38,580
Why does he mean so much to you?

1641
01:31:38,582 --> 01:31:40,849
You know, I can't answer that,

1642
01:31:40,851 --> 01:31:41,783
this is just something thats

1643
01:31:41,785 --> 01:31:43,618
really struck a cord with me.

1644
01:31:43,620 --> 01:31:45,854
And I'm just compelled to be here.

1645
01:31:45,856 --> 01:31:49,557
He was a black man who
was on trial that they

1646
01:31:49,559 --> 01:31:53,495
perceived that white people
were trying to unfairly harm.

1647
01:31:57,467 --> 01:31:59,067
They're trying to railroad him,

1648
01:31:59,069 --> 01:32:00,368
they need to find the murderer.

1649
01:32:00,370 --> 01:32:02,537
Go out and look for the murderer.

1650
01:32:02,539 --> 01:32:06,541
He's accused but we all
know he didn't do it.

1651
01:32:06,543 --> 01:32:10,378
He was wealthy, he was powerful,
he was this, he was that,

1652
01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:12,347
there is a B-U-T, but,

1653
01:32:16,319 --> 01:32:18,052
he was black.

1654
01:32:18,054 --> 01:32:19,287
So, he didn't do it?

1655
01:32:19,289 --> 01:32:20,054
No, he didn't do it.

1656
01:32:20,056 --> 01:32:20,955
How do you know?

1657
01:32:20,957 --> 01:32:21,956
I know he didn't do it.

1658
01:32:21,958 --> 01:32:22,757
How do you know?

1659
01:32:22,759 --> 01:32:24,259
I just know.

1660
01:32:24,261 --> 01:32:27,796
You may be at the top
house in Beverly Hills,

1661
01:32:29,566 --> 01:32:33,001
and I may be in the
basement of a place in Watts

1662
01:32:37,474 --> 01:32:39,374
but we are connected.

1663
01:32:49,319 --> 01:32:51,753
(dramatic music)

1664
01:32:51,754 --> 01:32:56,754
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