1 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:41,490 We will begin the session now. 2 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,890 You will remain aware of everything that goes on. 3 00:00:44,910 --> 00:00:46,160 Okay. 4 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,110 We're going to find an incident in your life 5 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:49,900 You have an exact record of. 6 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,370 Then by sending you through it at the time it happened, 7 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,670 We're going to reduce it. 8 00:00:55,710 --> 00:00:58,170 We will reduce the pain. 9 00:00:58,210 --> 00:01:01,180 Go to the beginning of that incident. 10 00:01:01,210 --> 00:01:02,710 Tell me what's happening. 11 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,300 Well, these things get all so... 12 00:01:04,350 --> 00:01:05,710 I joined in 198-- 13 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:07,800 It was a bunch of young kids, like i was young... 14 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:11,300 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 15 00:01:13,610 --> 00:01:16,390 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 16 00:01:16,430 --> 00:01:19,940 I think the first time i saw hubbard, and i was in awe... 17 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:22,030 We did, because you thought we were doing good. 18 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:23,730 I mean, so you had some gratification. 19 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:25,780 I felt a tremendous amount of relief. 20 00:01:25,820 --> 00:01:27,900 I got the answers for everything 21 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:29,200 Within the religion. 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,070 What are you most afraid of? 23 00:01:31,110 --> 00:01:33,040 It was dark. 3:00 in the morning, 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,780 There's a knock on the hotel-room door. 25 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:36,740 Stop! I'll say whatever you want, 26 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:38,250 I'll write up anything that you want. 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,460 I flipped out. I started punching holes in the walls. 28 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:42,720 Things didn't seem quite right. 29 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:46,290 And you just feel so foolish at that point. 30 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:49,140 Do you have a secret you're afraid i'll find out? 31 00:01:49,180 --> 00:01:50,640 Yes. Yes. 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,400 Go to the beginning of that incident. 33 00:01:54,430 --> 00:01:57,430 Okay, all right. 34 00:01:57,470 --> 00:01:58,970 Tell me about it. 35 00:01:58,990 --> 00:02:01,990 I was 21 years old, 36 00:02:02,020 --> 00:02:04,690 Living in london, ontario, canada. 37 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:06,820 I wanted to be a documentary filmmaker. 38 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:08,990 And someone had told me 39 00:02:09,030 --> 00:02:12,410 About what they called-- they said, "there's this cult 40 00:02:12,450 --> 00:02:15,920 "in new york called scientology," 41 00:02:15,950 --> 00:02:17,320 Which i'd never heard of. 42 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:20,150 "and if you give them all your money, 43 00:02:20,170 --> 00:02:22,860 "they'll make anything possible in your life." 44 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:26,430 And about six months later, i was walking down the street. 45 00:02:26,460 --> 00:02:29,000 This guy was there selling books. 46 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:31,030 And i realized they were all the same book-- 47 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:32,830 "dianetics," 48 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:35,300 Which again, i had never heard of. 49 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:38,610 He handed me one and asked me to look at it. 50 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,690 He was talking. I wasn't really listening to him. 51 00:02:40,730 --> 00:02:42,890 I opened the cover and it said-- 52 00:02:42,950 --> 00:02:46,010 Stamped on the inside page, it said "church of scientology." 53 00:02:46,030 --> 00:02:49,650 And i said, "take me there." 54 00:02:49,690 --> 00:02:51,820 All right. All right, here we go. 55 00:02:51,850 --> 00:02:54,820 I'm not a great multitasker. 56 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:58,540 You know, and if i feel like doing something, that's what i do. 57 00:02:58,580 --> 00:03:02,500 And, uh, i was into this shit, 58 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:04,750 And i was becoming an auditor. 59 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:08,300 Like, i was in scientology probably four months, 60 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:12,720 And i had done more than john travolta had done, 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,610 And he'd been there for 85 years or some shit. 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 My agents called, you know, "you got an audition." 63 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:22,520 "eh, fuck it, i don't really--" you know what i mean? 64 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:24,550 I was on-- i'm on a spiritual adventure, 65 00:03:24,590 --> 00:03:27,660 And this was like, "whoa, this is an interesting road." 66 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:29,690 You know? 67 00:03:29,730 --> 00:03:34,280 So, uh, what was the question? 68 00:03:34,330 --> 00:03:38,920 So tell me, how was it you first got involved in scientology? 69 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:41,870 Well, i was introduced to it by some friends. 70 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,920 I don't know if they said it or if it was just talked about 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,120 By others that they had super powers. 72 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:50,180 And i-- i was, like, really young, 73 00:03:50,210 --> 00:03:52,760 But i thought, "i'd like to have super powers!" 74 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,020 But also i had done so much... 75 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:58,190 Political-social work. 76 00:03:58,220 --> 00:04:01,860 So this really looked like-- that it was a solution 77 00:04:01,890 --> 00:04:03,860 To handling a lot of the world's problems. 78 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:06,560 Instead of trying to handle things en masse, 79 00:04:06,610 --> 00:04:08,200 You could deal with it person by person, 80 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:12,400 Make each person better, and thus the world would get better and surer. 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,780 Well, thank you very much, 82 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,950 And welcome to our whole new world. 83 00:04:28,970 --> 00:04:31,790 It's a world where the operative phrase reads... 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,970 "exceeding all expectations, 85 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:36,090 "transcending all parameters, 86 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:39,060 "extending the boundaries beyond any boundary, 87 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:42,680 "not to mention godspeed, lightning speed, 88 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:46,300 "and a quantum leap in sheer rapidity of progress up the bridge." 89 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:54,380 We're out to make every life extraordinary. 90 00:04:54,410 --> 00:04:58,480 And if by chance it ever seems laborious or a sacrifice, 91 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:03,200 Then you are looking at the offramps instead of the highway. 92 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:06,590 You are missing the signpost up ahead, 93 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:10,760 The one that reads, "next stop, infinity." 94 00:05:14,550 --> 00:05:18,680 Probably my favorite concept of scientology 95 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,020 Is a world without criminality, 96 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:24,270 A world without war, and a world without insanity. 97 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:27,610 And i know of no other group 98 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,560 That their goals are that clear. 99 00:05:30,610 --> 00:05:36,070 Look, i don't-- you name me another philosophy, 100 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,540 Religion, or technology 101 00:05:38,570 --> 00:05:43,040 That one of its main goals-- besides the three i mentioned earlier-- 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Where joy is the operative concept. 103 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:49,660 104 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:53,880 These are the times now, people. 105 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,510 Okay? These are the times we will all remember. 106 00:05:58,540 --> 00:06:00,340 Were you there? 107 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:02,560 What did you do? 108 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:05,150 So what do you say? Can we clean this place up? 109 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:07,480 Yeah! 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,650 Okay. Because we're counting on you. 111 00:06:10,690 --> 00:06:13,570 okay? 112 00:06:13,610 --> 00:06:15,820 All right? To lrh! 113 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:19,060 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 114 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 116 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Scientology is such a subject of fascination for people. 117 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,710 How did you get engaged in the story? 118 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:33,960 Well, i've always been interested in religions 119 00:06:34,010 --> 00:06:37,760 And why people believe one idea rather than another. 120 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,320 I've studied jonestown, radical islam. 121 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:45,120 They're oftentimes good-hearted people-- 122 00:06:45,150 --> 00:06:49,590 Idealistic, but full of a kind of crushing certainty 123 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:52,430 That eliminates doubt. 124 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:56,310 You know, my goal wasn't to write an exposé. 125 00:06:56,370 --> 00:06:58,950 It was simply to understand scientology, 126 00:06:58,990 --> 00:07:01,490 Trying to understand what people get out of it. 127 00:07:01,540 --> 00:07:03,600 You know, why do they go into it in the first place? 128 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:07,460 I was interested in intelligent and skeptical people 129 00:07:07,490 --> 00:07:09,880 Who are drawn into a belief system 130 00:07:09,910 --> 00:07:12,050 And wind up acting on those beliefs 131 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,670 In ways they never thought they would. 132 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,590 The church of scientology turned out to be 133 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:28,800 Two offices above a woolworth's store. 134 00:07:28,810 --> 00:07:31,480 He asked me, "what's ruining your life?" 135 00:07:31,570 --> 00:07:33,300 I said, "oh, i'm in love. 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,240 "i'm in love with this woman. It's impossible. 137 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:37,020 "i don't know what to do. I need some help." 138 00:07:37,070 --> 00:07:39,660 And he said, "we can help you with that." 139 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:41,330 I said, "really?" "yes." 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,310 And i ran home and got her, and i said, "we have to sign up for this. 141 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:47,160 "it sounds really good. It could save our relationship." 142 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,780 So we both signed up the next day to do a course, 143 00:07:50,820 --> 00:07:53,450 Which i think cost $50. 144 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:55,320 The thing that absolutely got me 145 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:56,790 And stayed with me forever 146 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:58,880 Was the very first thing i read when you open the course pack, 147 00:07:58,930 --> 00:08:00,960 And it said-- i'm paraphrasing-- 148 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,830 "don't believe any of this. If it works for you, great. 149 00:08:04,850 --> 00:08:07,330 "if it doesn't, discard it." 150 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:09,690 I was troubled by the fact that they called it a religion, 151 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,340 But i figured, "oh, it's some tax scam. It's fine with me. 152 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,890 "i don't really care about that as long as it works." 153 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:19,110 The first exercise, after you do all this reading and stuff like that, 154 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:22,400 Is this thing called o-t-t-r-0, 155 00:08:22,450 --> 00:08:25,850 Which is basically, you stand-- you sit 156 00:08:25,870 --> 00:08:29,370 Just like this, eyes closed, 157 00:08:29,410 --> 00:08:32,490 Three feet away from somebody who's doing the same thing, 158 00:08:32,530 --> 00:08:36,580 And you basically confront them. 159 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,250 You know? 160 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:44,050 And in scientology lingo, 161 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:46,040 I went exterior. 162 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:48,540 Exteriorizing is what they call it. 163 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,480 You know, you leave your body. 164 00:08:51,510 --> 00:08:56,720 So it was a... Transcendent experience for me., 165 00:08:56,740 --> 00:08:59,240 And that made me go, "holy fucking shit, 166 00:08:59,270 --> 00:09:01,360 "this is-- wow." 167 00:09:01,390 --> 00:09:04,560 I was reading books, going to lectures, and going to things-- 168 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:08,330 Different events at the mission-- at the local santa clara mission. 169 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,060 And then i knew i wanted to join the sea org 170 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,950 And get really involved as soon as i could, 171 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,370 Which would be right out of high school. 172 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:18,920 Sea org is the most fraternal order of the organization. 173 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,240 It's people who really, really believe in the cause 174 00:09:22,260 --> 00:09:24,930 And sign a billion-year contract, 175 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,600 Which i did when i was-- you know, as soon as i could. 176 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:31,690 I left skid marks getting to that billion-year contract. 177 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,420 You thought you were doing something good, 178 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,480 To have a positive effect on all of mankind. 179 00:09:38,530 --> 00:09:39,930 That's what howard says. 180 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:42,700 Everything you do for endless trillions of years 181 00:09:42,730 --> 00:09:46,070 Depends on what you do here and now within scientology. 182 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,280 I began to ask this question, 183 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:59,410 "what is man?" and i found, oddly enough, 184 00:09:59,450 --> 00:10:01,670 That nobody could tell me what man was. 185 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,790 What did he consist of? Where was he going? 186 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,810 What was he doing? 187 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,460 To really know life, you've got to be part of life. 188 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,980 You must get down and look. 189 00:10:12,010 --> 00:10:16,460 You must get into the nooks and crannies of existence, 190 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,400 The-- you have to rub elbows 191 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,520 With all kinds and types of men 192 00:10:22,570 --> 00:10:25,070 Before you can finally establish what he is. 193 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:26,910 And you in fact did this? 194 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:29,940 Yes, i've slept with bandits in mongolia, 195 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,860 And i've hunted with, uh, 196 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,950 Pygmies in the philippines. 197 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:41,820 Matter of fact, i've studied 21 different primitive races, 198 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,760 Including the white race. 199 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:49,000 And my conclusions were 200 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:52,500 That man is a spiritual being 201 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,470 That was pulled down to the material, 202 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:58,170 The fleshly interests, 203 00:10:58,190 --> 00:11:02,340 To an interplay in life that was, in fact, 204 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,560 Too great for him to confront. 205 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:06,860 And i concluded, finally, 206 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:08,900 That he needed a hand. 207 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:15,690 To understand scientology, 208 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:18,330 You have to understand the life and mind of its inventor, 209 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,880 L. Ron hubbard. 210 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:22,410 Hubbard was a prolific writer. 211 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:24,830 He actually holds the "guinness book of world records" 212 00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:26,530 For the number of books published-- 213 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:28,340 More than 1,000. 214 00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:31,890 Hubbard got his start in the depression writing pulp fiction, 215 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Named for the cheap paper used. 216 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:35,890 Writers were paid a penny a word, 217 00:11:35,930 --> 00:11:38,710 So hey had to write a lot to make money. 218 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:40,730 Hubbard hammered away so fast 219 00:11:40,770 --> 00:11:42,570 On long rolls of butcher paper 220 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,220 That he used to drop sweat on his typewriter. 221 00:11:48,390 --> 00:11:51,330 Hubbard's career took off when he began to write for a magazine 222 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,110 Called "astounding science fiction." 223 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,830 Along with authors like isaac asimov and robert heinlein, 224 00:11:57,870 --> 00:12:00,000 Hubbard wrote stories with a sense of mission-- 225 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,000 To get man to the stars. 226 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:11,090 He found his true métier in science fiction. 227 00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:14,550 And a lot of what scientology is 228 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:17,180 He had previously written about in the form 229 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:19,050 Of his science fiction. 230 00:12:19,090 --> 00:12:22,110 He had the ability to fabricate these amazing tales, 231 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:26,780 And he transported those imaginary stories 232 00:12:26,810 --> 00:12:29,450 Into his theology. 233 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:39,410 After pearl harbor, hubbard took command of a sub chaser, 234 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,240 But he was still a man prone to invention. 235 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,610 He would write that he sunk two japanese subs, 236 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:47,920 But, in fact, just off the coast of oregon, 237 00:12:47,950 --> 00:12:50,620 He opened fire on what turned out to be a log 238 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,640 And dropped most of his depth chargers 239 00:12:52,670 --> 00:12:55,890 On underwater magnetic rocks. 240 00:12:55,930 --> 00:12:58,460 When he accidentally shelled a mexican island, 241 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,650 He was relieved of his command. 242 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,630 After the war, 243 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:06,180 Hubbard ended up in los angeles 244 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,640 Where he settled in with a small group of seekers and visionaries. 245 00:13:10,660 --> 00:13:13,690 A guy named jack parsons, a fascinating man, 246 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:17,240 Was one of the founders of the jet-propulsion laboratory. 247 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,750 And there's actually a crater on the moon named after jack. 248 00:13:20,780 --> 00:13:23,620 He was a significant scientific figure, 249 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:25,920 But he was also the head honcho 250 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,290 In this black magic cult. 251 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,820 It was called the o.T.O., 252 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,330 Or the ordo templi orientis. 253 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:36,050 They followed the teachings of aleister crowley, 254 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:40,300 A famous sexual magic figure in england. 255 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:43,640 Parsons had a mansion in pasadena. 256 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:45,520 They would have ceremonies, 257 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,230 And they were seeking some sort of goddess figure 258 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,010 That he could impregnate 259 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:52,650 In order to create the antichrist. 260 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:57,400 Hubbard moved in and became parsons' assistant. 261 00:13:58,490 --> 00:14:00,650 One night, this beautiful redhead 262 00:14:00,690 --> 00:14:03,820 Named marjorie cameron showed up at the door. 263 00:14:03,860 --> 00:14:07,240 She was perfectly willing to engage in this sexual ritual 264 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,710 In order, supposedly, to produce the antichrist. 265 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:12,920 She and jack eventually got married. 266 00:14:12,970 --> 00:14:16,300 That happened after hubbard ran off with jack's girlfriend, 267 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:18,170 Sara northrup. 268 00:14:19,310 --> 00:14:20,510 Scientology and hubbard 269 00:14:20,540 --> 00:14:22,040 Would later refuse to acknowledge 270 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:24,060 His relationship with sara. 271 00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:26,510 But we uncovered sara's own recollections 272 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:28,680 Of her time with hubbard. 273 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,290 He was 13 years older than i was. 274 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,570 I thought he was a great war hero, 275 00:14:35,660 --> 00:14:39,230 A captain of a ship that had been downed in the pacific. 276 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,500 And he was weeks on a raft, 277 00:14:41,530 --> 00:14:43,400 And he'd been blinded by the sun, 278 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:45,580 And his back had been broken. 279 00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:47,730 All these things were complete lies, 280 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,000 But i didn't know it at the time. 281 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,310 I believed every word of it. 282 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:55,760 If only sara had seen hubbard's military records. 283 00:14:55,790 --> 00:14:57,680 In a 900-page file, 284 00:14:57,710 --> 00:15:01,380 Hubbard's activities are laid out in extraordinary detail. 285 00:15:01,420 --> 00:15:04,080 Hubbard told people that he had been blinded and crippled 286 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:06,550 During the war, and the practices that would form 287 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:09,760 The basis of scientology had cured him. 288 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:12,030 But his records show that his only wounds 289 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:15,200 Were mild arthritis and conjunctivitis. 290 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:21,200 We had this terrible fight, 291 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,940 And he told me he was going to commit suicide 292 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,940 If i didn't marry him. 293 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,160 I really believed him, 294 00:15:28,210 --> 00:15:30,630 So we got married. 295 00:15:32,830 --> 00:15:36,800 We spent the winter in that lighthouse on the lake in the poconos. 296 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,750 I remember one awful night, 297 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:41,250 When i was asleep and he was out typing... 298 00:15:41,290 --> 00:15:43,960 and he hit me across the side of the head 299 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:45,590 With a .45... 300 00:15:45,630 --> 00:15:48,100 Because i was smiling in my sleep, 301 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:50,810 And he said i was thinking about somebody else. 302 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:53,270 I got up, left the house, 303 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:55,570 And walked on the ice of the lake. 304 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,770 I was terrified. 305 00:15:57,810 --> 00:15:59,570 He always said that he would kill me 306 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:01,910 Rather than let me leave him. 307 00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:07,750 The only good thing i got from ron 308 00:16:07,780 --> 00:16:10,000 Was my baby. 309 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:17,420 We moved to elizabeth, new jersey, 310 00:16:17,460 --> 00:16:19,830 And he started writing "dianetics." 311 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:21,960 The book was conceived 312 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,330 And he started working on it in 1950. 313 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:28,690 He said many times that the only way to make any real money 314 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,300 Was to have a religion. 315 00:16:30,340 --> 00:16:33,860 That's essentially what he was trying to do with "dianetics"-- 316 00:16:33,890 --> 00:16:37,060 Get a religion where he could have an income 317 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:39,480 And the government wouldn't take it away from him 318 00:16:39,510 --> 00:16:41,650 In the form of taxes. 319 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:47,850 "dianetics" was an immense success. 320 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:50,710 From the moment it was published in 1950, 321 00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:54,960 It swept through america and other countries around the world. 322 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,080 This book-- that's the background of all of this. 323 00:16:58,130 --> 00:16:59,380 That's what started all the trouble. 324 00:16:59,420 --> 00:17:03,800 We expected this to sell about 6,000 copies, 325 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,870 And it hit the top of the bestseller list of "the new york times" 326 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:09,510 And just stayed there, month in, month out. 327 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,710 It was like i started an avalanche. 328 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:14,710 The modern science of mental health" 329 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:18,770 Is considered to be the fundamental text, 330 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:23,460 Which is the foundation upon which all else is built. 331 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:27,530 One of the theories of "dianetics" 332 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,230 Is to discover these things that are very traumatic 333 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:33,030 Or have been very upsetting to you, 334 00:17:33,070 --> 00:17:36,040 And if you can observe 335 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:38,260 Exactly what happened, 336 00:17:38,290 --> 00:17:41,240 The power of that incident 337 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:43,290 To influence you today 338 00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:45,600 Is removed. 339 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:48,850 The concept of "dianetics" 340 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,850 Is that you have two sides of your mind. 341 00:17:51,890 --> 00:17:54,350 There is the analytical side, 342 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:56,690 Which is a perfect computer. 343 00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:59,260 It remembers everything. It's flawless. 344 00:17:59,310 --> 00:18:01,280 It never makes a mistake. 345 00:18:01,310 --> 00:18:03,760 And then there's a reactive side. 346 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:07,120 And this is where all your neuroses, anxieties, 347 00:18:07,150 --> 00:18:08,400 And fears are stored. 348 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,770 And where do they come from? They come from engrams. 349 00:18:11,790 --> 00:18:14,990 An engram is like a memory. 350 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,910 A man has an automobile accident. 351 00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:18,660 He has a picture of an automobile accident. 352 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:20,610 He has all the sensations of having been hurt 353 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:23,280 In the automobile accident. It takes him a long time to recover, 354 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:25,300 Because he's still wearing the automobile accident. 355 00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:26,550 If you said, "hey, why don't you take 356 00:18:26,590 --> 00:18:28,760 "this automobile accident and throw it away?" 357 00:18:28,790 --> 00:18:30,310 Well, all of a sudden, he recovers 358 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:32,340 From the automobile accident, naturally, 359 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:34,640 Because the thing that's keeping it impressed upon him 360 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,100 And his body is his mind. 361 00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:42,100 An auditor is a practitioner in scientology. 362 00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:44,800 He listens and he computes. 363 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:47,160 We have a meter. 364 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:49,480 A meter simply shows 365 00:18:49,490 --> 00:18:51,950 Where an individual is aberrated. 366 00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:55,200 The e-meter is a very powerful instrument. 367 00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:57,620 It's one-third of a lie detector. 368 00:18:57,650 --> 00:19:01,650 A lie detector would also measure your respiration and pulse. 369 00:19:01,670 --> 00:19:04,170 There's two cans 370 00:19:04,210 --> 00:19:05,760 And there's electrical wires 371 00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:07,960 Carrying an undetectable amount of current 372 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,380 Into a meter with a needle on it. 373 00:19:10,430 --> 00:19:12,970 According to the church of scientology, 374 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,140 It actually detects the mass of your thoughts, 375 00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:18,610 Although there's no evidence that thoughts have mass. 376 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,010 The current passes through your body, 377 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:25,030 And as your mental mass increases, 378 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:28,280 So does the resistance to the circuit. 379 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,070 So the auditor will ask you a question, 380 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,400 "tell me about an upset with your mother." 381 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:36,240 "what's truly bothering you about being with, you know, 382 00:19:36,290 --> 00:19:38,380 "with your wife's behavior? What is it?" 383 00:19:38,410 --> 00:19:40,030 "why are you upset today?" 384 00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:42,630 "well, i had a fight with my wife." 385 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:44,380 "well, i can see." 386 00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:46,300 "that there-- was that the same thought?" 387 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:47,470 "say that again." 388 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:51,300 And gradually, the needle will have less response. 389 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:54,420 And in that manner, you discharge the emotion. 390 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,880 Then you're asked to go back to earlier incidents 391 00:19:57,900 --> 00:19:59,900 That were like that. 392 00:19:59,930 --> 00:20:02,220 And you might say, "well, my mother spoke to me 393 00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:04,400 "in the same scolding tone of voice." 394 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,600 And you recount that story, 395 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:09,890 And eventually, you discharge the emotion. 396 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:13,060 And that's very much like freudian therapy. 397 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,700 But with scientology, 398 00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:18,030 Then they'll ask further. 399 00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:21,030 "well, that's as far back as i go." 400 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:22,590 Well, maybe not. 401 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:26,840 The auditor might say, "something just registered on the meter. 402 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,380 "what was that?" 403 00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:30,740 "i had an image in my mind." 404 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,460 "well, what was the image?" 405 00:20:32,510 --> 00:20:34,180 "it was a barn." 406 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,720 "are you inside the barn? Go back to that image. 407 00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:39,600 "okay, open the door. What do you see?" 408 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,690 "well, it looks like 19th century france." 409 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:48,230 You walk outside and you see 410 00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:50,900 The people dressed in their costumes, 411 00:20:50,980 --> 00:20:53,950 And the e-meter is saying this is real. 412 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:55,600 This is a real memory. 413 00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:59,240 It's just as real as those other memories that you had. 414 00:21:00,790 --> 00:21:03,490 Beautiful little soft needle, and everything's good. 415 00:21:03,550 --> 00:21:07,630 Needle's rising, which means he's getting, you know, 416 00:21:07,670 --> 00:21:10,500 Thinking a lot. The needle just, like, goes "pfft," 417 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:12,590 Like a lot of shit blows away. 418 00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:16,510 The theta bop, which is a very quick little thing like, "doo doo doo," 419 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,760 Which means exteriorization. 420 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:23,900 When you come out of an auditing session, 421 00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:26,520 You feel euphoric. 422 00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:30,150 That confessional nature makes you feel better. 423 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:32,860 Somebody would say, "oh, you're going to have a session." 424 00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:34,860 I would feel better just hearing that. 425 00:21:34,910 --> 00:21:37,980 Man is asleep. 426 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,150 He is hypnotized. 427 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:43,420 Now in scientology, reverse the process, 428 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:45,920 And you'll make him wake up. 429 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:48,670 Such a man becomes un-brainwashed, you might say. 430 00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:50,420 He becomes unhypnotized. 431 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:52,490 This sounds, mr. Hubbard, in a sense, 432 00:21:52,510 --> 00:21:56,050 Like an extension of psychology or psychiatry. 433 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,680 Oh, no, psychiatry has to do with the insane, 434 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,640 And we have nothing to do with the insane whatsoever. 435 00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:04,940 Is this is a form of psychoanalysis? 436 00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:07,020 No, psychoanalysis, they lay back and-- 437 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:10,610 Don't associate scientology with such people. 438 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:14,030 That's terrible. That's bad manners, you know? 439 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:17,700 When l. Ron hubbard first wrote "dianetics," 440 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:21,400 He thought it was a tremendous psychological breakthrough, 441 00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:23,820 So much so that he would be recognized. 442 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:28,880 He wrote letters to the american psychological association. 443 00:22:28,910 --> 00:22:32,700 They couldn't make heads or tail of his ideas. 444 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,880 To them, it was like psychological folk art. 445 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,420 For instance, he would talk about "clear." 446 00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:41,090 That means that the individual 447 00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:43,230 Has erased his reactive mind-- 448 00:22:43,260 --> 00:22:45,600 His unconscious mind is gone-- 449 00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:47,900 And he is totally alert 450 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:49,900 And totally capable. 451 00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:53,220 Once you've taken away all these traumatic memories, 452 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,860 From this life and previous ones, 453 00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:57,360 Then you are clear. 454 00:22:57,390 --> 00:23:00,190 Someone who had a perfect memory, 455 00:23:00,230 --> 00:23:03,080 Who was never ill. 456 00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:04,830 Your eyesight would be better. 457 00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:07,030 We tested people before scientology processing 458 00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:08,870 And after scientology processing, 459 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:11,590 And uniformly found that their iq had raised. 460 00:23:11,620 --> 00:23:13,670 We are making such individuals, 461 00:23:13,710 --> 00:23:17,380 We're making them regularly, and we're making them routinely. 462 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:22,180 An overt act is an effort to individuate. 463 00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,930 It is a withhold of oneself... 464 00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:26,920 Ron gave lectures everywhere 465 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:30,940 For large amounts of money, and money just started pouring in. 466 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:33,230 I mean, these people were paying 467 00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:36,280 $500 apiece in the 1950s 468 00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:38,280 For training in "dianetics." 469 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,030 I felt that he was stealing from people 470 00:23:41,070 --> 00:23:43,290 And that he was hoodwinking them. 471 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,290 All the business of sitting, holding hands, 472 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,610 And putting all these false memories into people's minds... 473 00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:52,000 Then they would finally come along and say, 474 00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:54,960 "oh, yes, i can remember it all." 475 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,500 476 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,790 We were surrounded by sycophants. 477 00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:05,640 He began to believe that he was a savior and hero, 478 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,150 That he really was this god figure. 479 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:13,730 He was absolutely convinced 480 00:24:13,770 --> 00:24:17,440 That he had the cure for the psychological ills of mankind, 481 00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:21,140 And that the only reason that it wasn't being propagated far and wide 482 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,810 Was that the medical profession had a vested interest 483 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:26,280 In keeping people sick. 484 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:28,280 I think he was afraid that some psychiatrists 485 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,750 Would pop him into an institution. 486 00:24:30,790 --> 00:24:35,040 He degenerated into a really paranoid, 487 00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:37,820 Terrifying person. 488 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,880 Sara threatened to leave hubbard 489 00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:41,510 Unless he got psychiatric help. 490 00:24:41,550 --> 00:24:44,330 He responded by kidnapping their baby 491 00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:46,350 And taking her to cuba. 492 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,940 He was incapable of taking care of her, 493 00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:52,110 So he put her in the charge of a mother and daughter 494 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:54,220 Who were both mentally retarded. 495 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,610 And they apparently kept her in some kind of cage. 496 00:24:56,650 --> 00:25:00,610 He called me and told me that he had killed her. 497 00:25:00,650 --> 00:25:03,350 He said he had cut her into little pieces 498 00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:05,120 And dropped the pieces in a river, 499 00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:07,240 And it was my fault. 500 00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:10,240 Then he'd call me back and say that she was still alive. 501 00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:13,380 And this went on and on and on. 502 00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:16,210 When hubbard came back to the u.S., 503 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:18,550 Sara persuaded him to agree to a divorce 504 00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:20,830 And give her custody of their daughter. 505 00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:22,800 When i left him, he cleaned out 506 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,250 All the joint bank accounts 507 00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:27,390 So that i wouldn't have any money. 508 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,590 Hubbard soon lost all his money, too. 509 00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:33,900 "dianetics" proved to be a passing fad, like the hula hoop. 510 00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:36,570 But hubbard still had his imagination. 511 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,850 So he repackaged the ideas of "dianetics" 512 00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:41,440 Into a religion called scientology. 513 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,740 Hubbard added more science and more structure. 514 00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:48,530 Along with the e-meters came a payment plan. 515 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,370 Every step to "clear" had a price tag. 516 00:25:52,420 --> 00:25:54,830 How would you describe your business model? 517 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:58,120 Rapacious. 518 00:25:58,170 --> 00:26:00,510 It's all about making money. 519 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:03,510 Hubbard, from the beginning, knew that 520 00:26:03,550 --> 00:26:06,950 People would pay for this counseling at a pretty good clip, 521 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:10,770 And so he continued to come out with more and more levels. 522 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,690 The real money was in paying for these higher and higher courses. 523 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,720 They were getting into thousands of dollars. 524 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,030 Those prices kept going up and up. 525 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:21,810 That's really where scientology begins 526 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:23,900 To create this indoctrination, 527 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,770 Is, "it's hubbard that came up with that, 528 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:28,280 "only hubbard, and you have to be a part of our group 529 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,740 "to get that spiritual satisfaction you were looking for." 530 00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:33,610 The hubbard college of scientology, 531 00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:37,080 Qualifications division, department of certifications and awards 532 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:39,950 Does hereby certify that anthony a. Phillips 533 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,250 Has obtained the state of clear. 534 00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:47,390 As more members paid for hubbard's bridge to total freedom, 535 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:51,010 The church's coffers swelled with hundreds of millions of dollars. 536 00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:53,960 From the beginning, hubbard tried to shelter that revenue 537 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:55,850 From any government taxes. 538 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:57,930 The founding church of scientology 539 00:26:57,970 --> 00:27:01,400 Attempted in 1967 to get a court determination 540 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,770 That it was exempt from federal taxation 541 00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:07,310 On the basis that it was a nonprofit religious organization. 542 00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:10,490 A federal court denied the founding church tax exemption, 543 00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:14,980 Saying that some of the church's earnings from 1955 to 1959 544 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,920 Were used for the personal benefit of private individuals-- 545 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,320 L. Ron hubbard and family. 546 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:25,460 "abc news" has repeatedly requested interviews with mr. Hubbard. 547 00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:27,960 We have been told that he is unavailable. 548 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,180 It was very exciting. 549 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:51,570 It was that heady mix of emotion and belief, 550 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:54,790 And it's-- you get stuck to it. 551 00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:58,830 It's so strong that it sticks you like glue, 552 00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:01,090 And there's no way you can get away from it. 553 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,260 I was deeply convinced 554 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,700 That we were going to save the world. 555 00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:11,250 I considered myself tremendously fortunate 556 00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:13,340 To be in that position. 557 00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:17,380 Out of the blue one day, 558 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,260 I received this envelope 559 00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:22,720 With an invitation to join the sea project. 560 00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:25,250 It was completely confidential. 561 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:28,020 I wasn't to tell anyone about it, 562 00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:31,740 And i was so ecstatic. 563 00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:34,580 Here was a chance to work with hubbard. 564 00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:37,110 And i signed, "yes!" 565 00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:41,230 I was on my way to the greatest adventure in my life. 566 00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:46,120 We had an overnight flight to las palmas in the canary islands, 567 00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:49,880 Where we found, at about 6:00 in the morning, 568 00:28:49,910 --> 00:28:53,180 We were taxied down to a dock. 569 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:55,930 We had to climb up this rickety ladder, 570 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:58,220 All the way up to the ship, 571 00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:00,720 And we couldn't believe this was where we were going. 572 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,060 This ship was a rusty hulk. 573 00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:07,560 I was given a dirty old jumpsuit to get into, 574 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,360 Missing one arm and the other one was almost half torn off, 575 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,570 And put to work. We had to scrub the ship and clean out the ship, 576 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,210 Which was arduous, strenuous work, 577 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,910 In the heat. 578 00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:23,130 Hubbard came to the ship every day, 579 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,250 Smoking cigarettes and surveying his kingdom. 580 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,950 After dinner, he'd come and join us 581 00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:32,170 On the well deck. 582 00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:34,450 There he was, you know, right amongst us, 583 00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:36,260 Talking to us. 584 00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:40,010 He would be his most magnificent self 585 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:42,400 At those times. 586 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:45,970 He'd lean back, he'd look up at the cosmos, 587 00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:49,350 And he'd point out galaxies 588 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240 And constellations, 589 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:54,160 And he'd say, "the fifth invaders are up there, 590 00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:57,080 "and this is how they dressed and this is how they talk. 591 00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:59,700 "and see that blip across the sky over there?" 592 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:03,650 He'd point it out, and we were all, "yes, we see it, we see it." 593 00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:06,000 He'd say, "and that's one of their space vessels..." 594 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,490 And there was-- the fourth invader force was here. 595 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:12,210 The fifth invader force came in. 596 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,210 And the name of this solar system is space station 33. 597 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,930 The fourth invader force had been there 598 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:21,220 For god knows how many skillion years, 599 00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:22,690 Had been sitting down... 600 00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:25,050 ...And we'd sit there, spellbound. 601 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:28,390 You could hear a pin drop on that ship. 602 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,110 He had us emotionally captured and held 603 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:36,700 Right there in the palm of his hand where he wanted us. 604 00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:38,990 He had us right there. 605 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,620 In the early '60s, 606 00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:45,320 Hubbard was under investigation in various countries. 607 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,290 His solution was to take to the high seas. 608 00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:51,460 He made himself commodore of a fleet of three ships, 609 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,400 A scientology navy. 610 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,220 To crew the vessels, 611 00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:57,870 He created the sea organization. 612 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,170 The members of this so-called sea org 613 00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,590 Would become the church's clergy. 614 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,340 They began going from port to port 615 00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:08,260 In the mediterranean, show up for a few days, 616 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,730 And then go off-- sail off in some other direction. 617 00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:13,220 And a very enterprising reporter 618 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,390 For grenada television in britain 619 00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:16,720 Tracked him down... 620 00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:18,490 Slate one, take one. 621 00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:20,530 That's one of the very few instances 622 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,530 Where hubbard has actually appeared on camera. 623 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:26,750 What are you actually doing 624 00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:28,620 On this ship now? 625 00:31:28,670 --> 00:31:31,740 I am studying ancient civilizations, 626 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,170 Trying to find what happened to them, 627 00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:37,710 Finding out why they went... 628 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:41,410 Into a decline, why they died. 629 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:45,430 Hubbard believed that he had lived various lives 630 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:49,440 In the mediterranean area as a venetian prince, 631 00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:51,770 As an italian prince. 632 00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:53,640 As a matter of fact, it's quite interesting 633 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,430 That exercises can be conducted, 634 00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:59,280 Which demonstrate conclusively that there are memories 635 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,400 Which exist prior to this life. 636 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,870 He had buried treasure all around the coastline, 637 00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:09,460 And he wanted to go find all these caches of treasure. 638 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:12,750 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 639 00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:16,120 Whatever was his whim, we did. 640 00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:18,080 We would have died for the old man. 641 00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:20,790 Don't you wake up sometimes 642 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:23,420 In the middle of the night and think to yourself, 643 00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:25,760 "well, i've been on this ship with a whole lot 644 00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:28,290 "of scientologists who believe i'm fantastic..." 645 00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,230 They don't believe i'm fantastic. 646 00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:34,980 If you saw the number of times they don't follow my orders... 647 00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:38,800 Lrh started to devise 648 00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:41,740 A system of penalties or punishments 649 00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:43,360 Or what he called ethics. 650 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:46,280 And one of the penalties for the auditors 651 00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:48,500 Making mistakes in their auditing sessions 652 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:50,700 Was to be tossed overboard. 653 00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:53,370 "you have done such and such and such and such, 654 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:56,010 "and we commit your errors to the deep." 655 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,290 And then just pushed overboard. 656 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:02,510 30 feet, 35 feet, 657 00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:23,520 Do you ever think that you might be quite mad? 658 00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:25,850 Oh, yes! 659 00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:29,290 The one man in the world who never believes he's mad 660 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,540 Is the madman. 661 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,640 662 00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:53,580 So we got married a year and a half after we joined 663 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:56,180 And moved to california. I wanted to be a writer, 664 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:58,580 And my wife-- she was studying scientology. 665 00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:01,120 We had a baby right away, and the only people 666 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,220 We knew there were scientologists. 667 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:05,860 I was working as a furniture mover during the day 668 00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:08,560 And writing spec scripts at night. 669 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,230 Then on the weekends, i'd be, you know, doing some auditing. 670 00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,030 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 671 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,400 There was a social aspect to it too. 672 00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:15,870 You got to hang out with people. 673 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,900 And there were some interesting people, nice people. 674 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,920 These are all people who are looking to improve their life. 675 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,870 While hubbard was hiding from public view, 676 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,930 He was very active in directing the operations of the church, 677 00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:51,070 Particularly in hollywood. 678 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:53,570 This was just after the haight-ashbury era. 679 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:56,240 And what scientology was selling itself is, 680 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,710 "get high without drugs." 681 00:34:58,750 --> 00:35:01,960 It was a place where people went and explored ideas, 682 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,800 And you would often see famous people-- 683 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,090 Leonard cohen, members of the grateful dead, 684 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,840 Rock hudson. 685 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:12,510 So they built the celebrity centre. 686 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,130 The idea was to draw in these famous entertainers 687 00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:20,230 And use them as pitchmen for the religion. 688 00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:22,070 In an industry like hollywood, 689 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,770 Where stardom is such-- such an illusive quality, 690 00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:29,840 Scientology would offer a route to maybe feel a little bit more secure. 691 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,950 And when you're trying to break in, you're also dealing with 692 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:34,660 Relentless rejection. 693 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,580 And something that helps you stay focused 694 00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:39,170 And feel that you're improving yourself 695 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,710 And becoming more clear, you can see the appeal of that. 696 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,540 The beliefs and practices that i have studied in scientology 697 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,380 Have been invaluable to me. 698 00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:52,460 Have you ever met ron hubbard? 699 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,300 I'd love to. I'd be honored, because i think he's so brilliant. 700 00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:02,310 So when i worked at the celebrity centre, 701 00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:05,640 I would just, you know, recruit various people. 702 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,780 Like priscilla presley and of course john travolta. 703 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:12,900 Johnny-- he came, he started on course, 704 00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:15,490 And he was so fun and outrageous. 705 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,760 And he just made a party wherever he was. 706 00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:21,040 John travolta was a young actor 707 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,360 In his very first movie. 708 00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:26,720 He was a troubled young man, 709 00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:28,220 And he was looking for help. 710 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:32,250 A fellow actor gave him a little bit of scientology counseling. 711 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:34,060 She gave him a copy of "dianetics," 712 00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:36,340 And he was transported by this. 713 00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:37,710 He would go out on his auditions, 714 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:39,210 And no matter what he went out for, 715 00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:42,060 He would get it. 716 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,400 A band-aid commercial, right away he booked that. 717 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,900 Now the army starts you... 718 00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:47,440 He was booking everything, 719 00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:49,740 And then he went up for a series. 720 00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:51,240 Of course, he books it. 721 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,780 And it's a big series-- "welcome back, kotter." 722 00:36:53,830 --> 00:36:55,580 Up your nose with a rubber hose! 723 00:36:57,580 --> 00:36:59,580 In the late '70s and early '80s, 724 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:03,270 John travolta was scientology's biggest star. 725 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:07,170 Spanky was assigned to be travolta's key contact with the church, 726 00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:10,810 And she helped out with producers, fans, and the press. 727 00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:13,950 They became close, and when spanky got married, 728 00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:15,680 Travolta was there. 729 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,620 When johnny first got into scientology, 730 00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:20,770 He didn't even believe in himself that much. 731 00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:23,360 But he got injected with a lot of confidence, 732 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:25,770 And then you get this phobia inducement 733 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,890 That "if i leave, it's all going to go down the tubes." 734 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:30,980 When you're in the organization, 735 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:33,200 All the good that happens to you 736 00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:34,930 Is because of scientology, 737 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:37,990 And everything that doesn't, that isn't good, is your fault. 738 00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:42,770 They sell it all in the beginning as something quite logical. 739 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:45,410 Everything makes sense. 740 00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:47,880 And you're going up what they call the bridge, 741 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,000 You're dong this auditing, and this is good. 742 00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,220 And the next one, well, it's not quite as good. 743 00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:55,090 It didn't quite make sense to you, but... 744 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,920 You know, you've already paid for the next one, so you'll do that one. 745 00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:02,790 The bridge-- it's a metaphor. 746 00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:05,300 You start here at the bottom of the bridge 747 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,150 And then you go to the top, so where it is-- 748 00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:09,320 It's an awareness scale. 749 00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:12,600 You start down here and you're not aware of anything, 750 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,160 Then you go up here and you're a lot more aware 751 00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:17,830 Of who you are, 752 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:22,280 Your spirituality, your relationship to others. 753 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,450 A person is supposed to become more able 754 00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:27,200 As they go up the bridge. 755 00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:31,320 And then there are the ot levels-- 756 00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:33,010 Operating thetan. 757 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,160 And a thetan is a spiritual being. 758 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:37,660 That's the soul of the person. 759 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,300 And what level, over time, did you achieve? 760 00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:43,000 Ot eight. That's the highest there is. 761 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:45,520 You can't get any higher than ot eight. 762 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,360 From the beginning, you hear these stories 763 00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:50,190 People tell of these abilities they've been able to gain. 764 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:53,850 It was always talked about, the people who were ot could read your mind, 765 00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:56,450 And they could move objects at will, 766 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,490 And they could-- they were cause over matter, energy, space, and time, 767 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,370 So it sounded damn good to me. 768 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:05,860 I mean, i thought, "wow, this is great." 769 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,080 I finally get to ot three, 770 00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:12,050 And they give me the secret materials, 771 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,750 Which i've been hearing about all this time. 772 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800 They're handwritten by hubbard. 773 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,390 You have to keep them in a locked briefcase, 774 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:20,470 Be very cautious, because they always said, 775 00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:22,510 "if this gets out, it's dangerous to people. 776 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:26,680 "it could actually do them harm if they are not adequately prepared." 777 00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:30,380 And i read it. 778 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,680 And... 779 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,900 It doesn't make any sense. 780 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:37,860 This gobbled story that didn't make sense. 781 00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:41,940 I remember for one fleeting second thinking, "maybe it's an insanity test. 782 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,750 "maybe if you believe this, they kick you out. 783 00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:47,000 "you know, maybe that's it." that, of course, is not the case. 784 00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:50,340 They talk about, you know, the fact that the earth was created 785 00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:52,700 In such-and-such trillions of years ago, 786 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:55,960 And this guy-- space guy-- 787 00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:58,760 Galactic overlord-- this was a prison planet, 788 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,510 And people being caught, captured, 789 00:40:01,550 --> 00:40:03,220 And being brought to planet earth... 790 00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:06,640 And put them in volcanoes and blowing them up with a-bombs. 791 00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:08,440 Whoa! 792 00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:10,920 I studied geography in school. 793 00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:14,260 Those volcanoes didn't exist 75 million years ago. 794 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,430 And we have these lost souls all over us 795 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:19,600 And we have to get rid of them, and i'm going, 796 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:23,490 "what... The fuck are you talking about? 797 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:26,120 "i mean, i'm down for the self-help stuff. 798 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,660 "i'm down for-- okay, i can be clear. 799 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:30,210 "i can get rid of the negative emotions. 800 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,440 "but what the fuck is this?" 801 00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:37,550 When you get to the upper levels of scientology, 802 00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:39,640 The creation myth is explained to you. 803 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:44,170 The story is that 75 million years ago, 804 00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:46,790 People lived in a world very much like the world 805 00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:49,430 Of america in the 1950s. 806 00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:51,650 People, at that particular time and space, 807 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,100 Were walking around in clothes which looked 808 00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:57,850 Very remarkably like the clothes they wear in this very minute. 809 00:40:57,910 --> 00:41:01,470 And the cars they drove looked exactly the same, 810 00:41:01,490 --> 00:41:05,030 And they walked down streets that looked like these streets. 811 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,450 It was a very similar world 812 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,780 And similar problems, 813 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,120 One of which was overpopulation. 814 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:12,870 They had elected a fellow 815 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,820 By the name of xenu to the supreme ruler. 816 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,920 There was a tyrannical overlord 817 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,660 Of the galactic confederacy named xenu. 818 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,380 In order to resolve this problem of overpopulation, 819 00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:25,850 He called people in, 820 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,350 Ostensibly for tax audits, 821 00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:31,640 And had them frozen with injections 822 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:33,670 Of glycol to their heart. 823 00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:36,310 Boxed them up in boxes, threw 'em into space planes-- 824 00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:39,230 Dc-8 airplane is the exact copy 825 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,230 Of the space plane of that day. 826 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,320 They were flown to the prison planet, teegeeack-- 827 00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:47,820 It's actually the planet earth-- 828 00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:52,740 And these frozen bodies were then dropped into volcanoes. 829 00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:54,960 And then they set off hydrogen bombs 830 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 On the top of each volcano. 831 00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:59,300 And their disembodied spirits-- 832 00:41:59,330 --> 00:42:01,130 These are called thetans-- 833 00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:04,090 Floated out, and they were captured 834 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:07,260 And forced to sit in front of movie screens. 835 00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:10,840 With a 3d, super colossal, motion picture. 836 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,890 They were shown images-- 837 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,180 Implants, as hubbard would have it. 838 00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:16,900 Every man is shown crucified, 839 00:42:16,930 --> 00:42:19,570 So is the psychiatrist shown crucified. 840 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,320 And that's how he gets away with what he gets away with. 841 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,520 He electric-shocks people. 842 00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:27,390 And when a child is born, 843 00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:30,780 A thetan will leap inside the child's body 844 00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:34,230 At that very instant, and it becomes like the child's soul. 845 00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:37,590 More than one thetan might crowd into the body-- 846 00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:40,410 Hundreds, or thousands, might. 847 00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:42,460 They're the source of all of our neurosis, 848 00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:44,010 Fears, and anxieties. 849 00:42:46,050 --> 00:42:48,080 Then you are on the e-meter, 850 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:49,460 By yourself, now. 851 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,930 You're soloing. 852 00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:54,350 You're supposed to scan, mentally, 853 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:56,770 From your top of your head to your toes, 854 00:42:56,810 --> 00:43:00,860 To see if you can locate any alien beings. 855 00:43:00,890 --> 00:43:04,260 And when you do, you tell them to go away. 856 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,930 I kept on trying to audit. 857 00:43:07,950 --> 00:43:12,290 I could not figure out how i could have 858 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,540 All these spirits of dead people attached to me, 859 00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:17,380 Inside me, on me. 860 00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:19,440 I was clear. 861 00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:22,000 For god's sake, i was clear. 862 00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:24,170 People actually have breakdowns, 863 00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:25,630 You know, nervous breakdowns, 864 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:28,170 Because they spend so much time thinking 865 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:31,220 About being infested by these creatures. 866 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:35,430 If you're really believing that, it can drive you crazy. 867 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,770 868 00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:49,490 Those years of introspection 869 00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:53,280 Eventually led me to sincerely considering 870 00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:57,080 That i was so bad, 871 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,620 That i couldn't confront how bad i was. 872 00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:04,210 I didn't know it at the time, 873 00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:07,460 But a depression set in that was with me for years, 874 00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:10,510 And the worst thing was 875 00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:14,720 That lrh kept ordering me to more auditing. 876 00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:18,300 I had to find swords that were stuck in me-- 877 00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:20,440 Hypothetical swords, 878 00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:23,680 Imaginary swords that were causing all this pain. 879 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:26,610 This auditing went on and on. 880 00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:28,400 It wasn't doing any good. 881 00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:30,850 I should have been left alone. 882 00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:34,200 But everything that i took offense with, 883 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,960 I rationalized almost immediately. 884 00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:38,760 I had to. 885 00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:42,660 I could not continue in this game of scientology 886 00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,750 Without explaining away what he was doing. 887 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,300 It got to be a way of believing, 888 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:55,560 And every one of us got into that. 889 00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:59,560 It was part of the mind control. 890 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,270 It was part of the cultic manipulation. 891 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,600 He was the master who did it to us, 892 00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:10,820 And we took it on and then we did it to ourselves. 893 00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:13,490 And i learned from it, 894 00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:16,700 That i would never ever again, 895 00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:19,360 You know, go-- do the bidding of a tyrant. 896 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:29,540 897 00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:32,940 Hubbard questioned his own sanity 898 00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:36,050 And actually wrote a letter to the veteran's administration 899 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,920 Asking for psychiatric help 900 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:41,350 That he seems never to have been given. 901 00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:45,440 I think that his whole creation of scientology 902 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,760 Really was a form of self-therapy. 903 00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:50,950 If he were just a fraud, then at some point, 904 00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:52,900 He would have taken the money and run, 905 00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:54,320 But he never did that. 906 00:45:54,370 --> 00:45:57,120 He spent much of his day on the e-meter, 907 00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:59,270 Trying to understand what was going on 908 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:01,110 Inside his own mind. 909 00:46:02,830 --> 00:46:04,740 Hubbard became increasingly paranoid 910 00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:07,280 That a powerful thetan had infected his body 911 00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,250 And that regular auditing 912 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000 Wasn't strong enough to make it leave. 913 00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:13,750 When larry wright was researching his book, 914 00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:16,420 He videotaped an interview with a scientologist 915 00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:19,810 Who was asked to help hubbard expel the thetan. 916 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,260 He was having, uh, problems 917 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:25,350 Getting rid of a bt-- body thetan-- 918 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,070 So he wanted me to build a machine, 919 00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,600 And basically blow the thetan away, 920 00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:32,020 Just get him out of there. 921 00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:34,660 Blow him out. And also kill the body. 922 00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:38,980 Basically, yeah. Yeah. 923 00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:42,150 But i didn't want to kill him. 924 00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:44,050 I just wanted to scare him. 925 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,170 So i had read some books about nikola tesla and stuff, 926 00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:50,510 And i figured maybe buildin' a tesla coil 927 00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:53,260 Would probably be the best route to go. 928 00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:56,630 I had little electrodes 929 00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:58,550 That you hook it up to the e-meter, 930 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,660 So when he's on the cans, 931 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,800 Then, uh, he would just flip the button, 932 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,000 And it would do its thing. 933 00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:10,680 As far as i know. He blew up my e-meter. 934 00:47:10,690 --> 00:47:12,360 Burned it up. 935 00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:17,700 Scientology really is a journey 936 00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:20,150 Into the mind of l. Ron hubbard. 937 00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:23,370 And the further you get into it, 938 00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:26,710 The more like l. Ron hubbard you become. 939 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,340 Thank you. 940 00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:42,140 In 1980, lrh moved off the lines 941 00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:45,310 So that he could continue his writings 942 00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:48,510 And researches without any distractions. 943 00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:56,100 He has now moved on to his next ot-- 944 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,660 Level of ot research. 945 00:47:58,690 --> 00:48:02,060 This level is beyond anything any one of us ever imagined. 946 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,860 This level is in fact done 947 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,730 In an exterior state, 948 00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:10,170 Meaning that it is done completely exterior 949 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,170 From the body. 950 00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:15,070 At this level of ot, 951 00:48:15,090 --> 00:48:16,540 The body is nothing more 952 00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:19,240 Than an impediment and encumbrance 953 00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:22,130 To any further gain as an ot. 954 00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:26,050 Thus... 955 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,420 Thus, at 2000 hours, 956 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,690 Friday, the 24th of january, 957 00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:35,440 A.D. 36, 958 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480 L. Ron hubbard discarded the body 959 00:48:37,530 --> 00:48:39,650 He had used in this lifetime 960 00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,790 For 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. 961 00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:46,070 Although you may feel grief, 962 00:48:46,110 --> 00:48:49,910 Understand that he did not, and does not now. 963 00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:56,450 Hubbard died of a stroke in 1986, 964 00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:59,380 But he left no plan for succession. 965 00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:02,140 The ambitious david miscavige stepped forward, 966 00:49:02,170 --> 00:49:04,960 And by bending arms and making deals, 967 00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:06,620 Took control of the church 968 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,560 And installed a new generation of lieutenants. 969 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,260 We want to make sure 970 00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,770 That all of us end cycle on this completely, 971 00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:17,940 So we can get on with the job 972 00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:19,800 That is ahead of us. 973 00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:23,530 The first time i met miscavige was in '83. 974 00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:25,360 He was a guy running back and forth 975 00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:28,830 Between hubbard and the property in hemet in a van-- 976 00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:32,200 Back and forth, delivering messages. 977 00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:34,840 Worked my way through the organization. 978 00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:37,370 Miscavige would come down to florida, 979 00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:39,170 Where i was running the place, 980 00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:42,290 And we slowly but surely became friends. 981 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:45,530 By 2001, i was working directly for miscavige. 982 00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:48,600 We'd sit and drink a bottle of scotch, 983 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,870 And i'd hear everything he had to say about the church, 984 00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,570 And about the people involved, from his perspective. 985 00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:56,860 And honestly, it was-- it was, uh, horrifying. It was scary. 986 00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:59,510 In scientology, there was a concept 987 00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:02,680 That 98% of the people are good and 2% are evil. 988 00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,320 Well, he worked very hard to convince me 989 00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:06,950 That it was the other way around. 990 00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,240 2.5% were okay and the rest were very evil and bad. 991 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:13,540 And somehow, they'd all been dumped on that base 992 00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:15,210 So they could be around him. 993 00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,410 He was-- he was extremely paranoid. 994 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:21,220 So, marty, is miscavige a true believer? 995 00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:26,000 Uh, yes. 996 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,310 He has to continue to believe, 997 00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:30,110 Because if he looks at it rationally 998 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:32,580 And he sees that it is as i say, 999 00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:34,350 It will destroy him. 1000 00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:36,560 You know, he'll just realize that-- 1001 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,100 Because he's done a lot worse than i've done. 1002 00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:42,990 He's abused people on a personal level, 1003 00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:46,910 Um, as a-- as a-- that's how he got to the top, 1004 00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:49,940 And that's how he stayed at the top. 1005 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,360 At the age of 11, 1006 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,620 David miscavige joined the church with his parents. 1007 00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:58,620 As a child, his ambition caught hubbard's eye. 1008 00:50:58,670 --> 00:51:00,870 So when hubbard wanted to become a filmmaker, 1009 00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:03,710 Miscavige was his assistant cameraman. 1010 00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:05,340 An auditing prodigy, 1011 00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:07,810 He claimed scientology cured his asthma. 1012 00:51:07,850 --> 00:51:11,600 He became a sort of general contractor for the church, 1013 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,770 And was soon named action chief-- 1014 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,470 The man who did whatever needed doing for a church 1015 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,920 That developed a scary reputation 1016 00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:20,730 For attacking its critics. 1017 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,440 Scientology has been in the headlines 1018 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,950 Off and on for 25 years now, 1019 00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:26,760 Almost since the time it was founded as a religion. 1020 00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:28,980 Scientology's story is one of a church 1021 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,870 Embittered by what it perceives as harassment. 1022 00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:33,200 We're talking about attacks 1023 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,110 From multi-billion dollar media conglomerates, 1024 00:51:35,130 --> 00:51:38,630 World governments-- real powers of the world. 1025 00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:41,330 They take enemies very seriously. 1026 00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:43,050 This comes right out of hubbard's own policies 1027 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,120 From the '60s, saying, "we never defend, we always attack." 1028 00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:48,140 And they have followed it ever since. 1029 00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:49,450 They call it "fair game," 1030 00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:52,590 And anybody who criticizes scientology is fair game. 1031 00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:54,140 Whatever you're told, 1032 00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:56,060 Whatever needs to be done, 1033 00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,600 If it's against the law, it doesn't matter. 1034 00:51:58,650 --> 00:52:00,980 The best example is, in the mid '70s, 1035 00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:04,770 Scientologists were walking in to these department of justice offices 1036 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,610 And irs offices and taking documents out by the yard. 1037 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,860 The fbi raided the church of scientology-- 1038 00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:13,080 The largest raid in fbi history at that time. 1039 00:52:13,110 --> 00:52:15,580 Oh my god. The building is filled with fbi, 1040 00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:17,370 And they're-- they're taking things. 1041 00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:19,150 It was craziness. 1042 00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:22,590 Clearly, l. Ron hubbard was in charge of all of that, 1043 00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,690 But he was only named an unindicted co-conspirator. 1044 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,620 And mary sue hubbard, hubbard's wife, 1045 00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:29,880 She went to prison, 10 others went to prison. 1046 00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:32,430 This was where i cut my teeth. I was in my early 20s, 1047 00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:34,130 Miscavige was in his early 20s. 1048 00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:35,880 We were taking over for this group 1049 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:38,720 That had created the largest domestic espionage operation 1050 00:52:38,770 --> 00:52:40,360 In the history of the united states. 1051 00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:41,860 They were breaking into offices, 1052 00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:44,640 Framing people. This is the activities of a church? 1053 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,140 There was a guy who, uh, you know, 1054 00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:48,200 Was a reporter for "the la times," 1055 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:49,530 Whose dog was poisoned 1056 00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:51,780 While he was working on a scientology story. 1057 00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,040 Again and again while reporting the story, 1058 00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:56,960 We met many former members who describe scientology 1059 00:52:56,990 --> 00:53:00,360 As a dangerous and deeply paranoid organization. 1060 00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:03,130 They hired private detectives to harass people. 1061 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,550 I have been sued twice. 1062 00:53:04,580 --> 00:53:05,800 Financial ruin. 1063 00:53:05,830 --> 00:53:07,000 Years of harassment. 1064 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:08,870 Their homes broken into, have them beaten. 1065 00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:12,000 We chased her around. We followed her to the airport. 1066 00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:14,390 Gotten ahold of personal phone records. 1067 00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:16,810 Slashed their tires, break their car windows. 1068 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,180 I was locked in a chicken wire cage. 1069 00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:22,680 Dangerous, horrifying, terrifying fraud. 1070 00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:24,520 A nightmare. 1071 00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:26,480 Many of their stories are corroborated 1072 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,850 In sworn court testimony by up to a dozen other people. 1073 00:53:29,890 --> 00:53:31,570 Are they all lying? 1074 00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:32,770 They sat in a room, 1075 00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:34,230 They figured out what they were going to say... 1076 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,080 My position, as the spokesperson, 1077 00:53:37,110 --> 00:53:40,530 Was to evade the question, 1078 00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:42,620 Or sleaze around some way, 1079 00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:44,620 Or give what was an acceptable answer, 1080 00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:46,750 Or something that i believed at the time. 1081 00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:48,710 Please welcome mr. Mike rinder. 1082 00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:58,100 Because scientology is perceived 1083 00:53:58,130 --> 00:54:00,850 And conceived by scientologists 1084 00:54:00,890 --> 00:54:04,220 As being the salvation for mankind, 1085 00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:07,060 You can have people that lie 1086 00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:09,930 With a very straight face 1087 00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:12,480 If they believe that what they are doing 1088 00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:15,270 Is protecting the church of scientology. 1089 00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:16,530 L. Ron hubbard says, 1090 00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:18,770 "we do not find critics of scientology 1091 00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:20,200 "who do not have criminal pasts." 1092 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,460 Do you believe that? Sure. 1093 00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:25,040 People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals? 1094 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,490 I believe that, yeah. 1095 00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:29,050 You know, there isn't and hasn't been 1096 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,750 Any effort which has been taken to, 1097 00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:33,630 Quote, "silence critics." 1098 00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:35,640 "no, that doesn't happen. 1099 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,170 "oh, we would never do that." 1100 00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:40,170 But according to many insiders, 1101 00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:42,090 Hubbard was growing more and more vindictive 1102 00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:43,590 Toward those who stood in his way. 1103 00:54:43,630 --> 00:54:48,520 He created what he called the rehabilitation project force. 1104 00:54:48,570 --> 00:54:51,270 The rpf was what we called it. 1105 00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:52,600 It was the prison camp, 1106 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,190 Where you'd go for re-indoctrination. 1107 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,110 It was on the 7th floor 1108 00:54:57,140 --> 00:54:59,160 Of the hollywood headquarters, 1109 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,330 A confined space to rehabilitate members 1110 00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:04,820 Who might be harboring subversive thoughts. 1111 00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:07,000 Spanky was sent to the rpf 1112 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,870 When she objected to the way the church 1113 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,290 Had denied medical treatment to her boss. 1114 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,710 I went thinking, of course, 1115 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,340 This is a big mistake. 1116 00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:17,930 And then i got there, and there were like 200 of us. 1117 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,880 So much of the exec strata of the organization there 1118 00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:22,880 Hit the skids simultaneously. 1119 00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:26,640 Rpf stands for rehabilitation project force. 1120 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,970 It is a program that is exclusively 1121 00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:32,690 For the benefit of sea organization members. 1122 00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:35,200 If they are stressed out, 1123 00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:37,010 If they're not doing well on their job, 1124 00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:40,280 Have them do menial-type work, 1125 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,070 And five hours a day of auditing 1126 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,460 And scientology training. 1127 00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:48,080 It's a fabulous program. 1128 00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:50,550 We were working-- cross my heart-- 1129 00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:52,830 30 hours on, three hours off. 1130 00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:54,200 Doing, like, hard labor, 1131 00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:56,370 Like having wire brushes on windowsills, 1132 00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:58,140 And sanding and sanding and sanding. 1133 00:55:58,170 --> 00:55:59,500 Breathing paint fumes. 1134 00:55:59,540 --> 00:56:01,710 The regular crew would eat first, 1135 00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:03,510 And then we'd get what was left. 1136 00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:05,390 It was kinda like table scraps. 1137 00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:08,210 There was mattresses out there on the roof, 1138 00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:10,710 And they were wet and soggy and gross. 1139 00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:12,650 And if you got to sleep for three hours, 1140 00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:16,150 Sometimes you'd just have to up there and crash out. 1141 00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:20,090 And i had a young child at that time, 1142 00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:22,460 Who was 10 months old when i went to the rpf. 1143 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,360 She got taken and put in the cadet org, 1144 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,170 The organization for the children. 1145 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,950 And then i-- i got pregnant 1146 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,920 When i was in the rpf. 1147 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,240 So now i'm sanding walls, eating table scraps, 1148 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:40,680 Pregnant, and worrying myself sick about my child. 1149 00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:43,010 In spanky's time, the children 1150 00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:45,020 Of sea org members were separated 1151 00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:47,100 From their parents and raised in the cadet org 1152 00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,970 To remove all distractions 1153 00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:51,520 From their parent's ultimate responsibility, 1154 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,520 To clear the planet. 1155 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,140 Sea org members were often pressured to have abortions, 1156 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,430 Because the church viewed "getting children" 1157 00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:01,930 As an unpractical burden. 1158 00:57:01,950 --> 00:57:04,120 Initially, you're like, "this is absurd. 1159 00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:05,290 "this is nuts." 1160 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,070 And then you kinda settle in and go, "well... 1161 00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:13,610 "obviously, i need to deal with something 1162 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:15,280 "that i'm not facing. 1163 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,000 "so perhaps this is-- 1164 00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:19,080 "they're doing this to make me better." 1165 00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:25,670 There are so many bizarre stories that you-- 1166 00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:27,930 Just hard to believe stuff. 1167 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,960 They asked if i could arrange a private screening 1168 00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:31,350 Of "saturday night fever." 1169 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,070 And i was like, "what?" 1170 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:36,800 "i had disappeared from this man's life. 1171 00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:38,520 "i abandoned him, 1172 00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:40,970 "and now you want me to arrange a private screening? 1173 00:57:40,990 --> 00:57:42,360 "what are you--" 1174 00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:45,140 I said, "is there anything else? Maybe a beatles reunion?" 1175 00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:50,110 Travolta had been wondering where spanky was. 1176 00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:51,500 When she was sent to the rpf, 1177 00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:54,700 She was not allowed to contact him or anyone else. 1178 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,820 But now, under the watch of a guard, 1179 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,820 She was permitted to call travolta's assistant. 1180 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,160 She said we could use john's personal print of the film, 1181 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:05,930 Under one condition-- that you will see john. 1182 00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:07,880 I was so excited. 1183 00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:11,670 I hadn't had dialogue with him for many months. 1184 00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:14,060 We had the screening of the film, 1185 00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:15,520 And on the next night, 1186 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,310 I was supposed to have dinner with johnny. 1187 00:58:18,340 --> 00:58:20,010 And after the screening, 1188 00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:22,900 I was abruptly told i wasn't going to see him, 1189 00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:24,820 And i needed to call and cancel. 1190 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:29,690 He was truly angry at me for-- for-- 1191 00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:32,790 For having allowed this abuse of myself, you know, 1192 00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:36,460 And for having that-- so little of myself... 1193 00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:41,220 That i would allow this degree of degradation, 1194 00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:44,370 And, and um-- and-- 1195 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:46,170 And he was my good friend, 1196 00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:49,590 And i knew that he was telling me the truth. 1197 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,010 Those words were such a wakeup call for me. 1198 00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:57,210 And i went over there, to the cadet org. 1199 00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:58,930 There were so many sick children in there, 1200 00:58:59,020 --> 00:59:01,150 And my daughter was very, very ill-- 1201 00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:05,190 Burning up with fever, completely neglected, 1202 00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:07,740 In a urine-soaked crib. 1203 00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:10,560 Her eyes were so filled with mucus, 1204 00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:12,910 They were welded shut. 1205 00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:15,450 She had fruit flies on her body. 1206 00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,900 And i just-- i couldn't bear it. 1207 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,510 I just went, "no, mmm-mmm, i'm done." 1208 00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:25,240 I mean, i just knew i could make these choices for me. 1209 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:27,210 I could decide to give up my life 1210 00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:29,180 And do this to help the world, 1211 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,470 But i couldn't make these choices for my children. 1212 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,630 I just had to get her out. 1213 00:59:35,590 --> 00:59:38,690 I told them that i was having problems with my pregnancy, 1214 00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:40,730 And i needed to use the phone, 1215 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,560 So they sent a bodyguard with me. 1216 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,480 I called one of the few non-scientologists i knew, 1217 00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:49,280 A wonderful woman who happened to work for john travolta. 1218 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,870 I said, "meet me at this address." 1219 00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:53,700 I gave her a time and i hung up. 1220 00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:56,710 I go up to my daughter's room, and i wrapped her up. 1221 00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:01,750 And there's that bodyguard with me. 1222 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,880 I said, "oh, my sister-in-law is in that car 1223 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,280 "and she's gonna take the baby to the doctor." 1224 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:07,720 He said, "well, has this been approved?" 1225 01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:10,300 "of course it was approved!" 1226 01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:12,810 She's in my arms, and i got in the car. 1227 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,510 My friend, she just nods her head. 1228 01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:19,350 Boom! With that, i pull my leg in, shut that door. 1229 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,650 She hits the locks, and we drive. 1230 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,270 And people are yelling my name, 1231 01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,320 Saying, "spanky, no! No!" 1232 01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:27,410 I mean, just freaked out. 1233 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,320 I'm thinkin' "i'm a dead person, 1234 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,780 "something terrible is gonna happen to me." 1235 01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:33,660 I was just so frightened 1236 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,860 That they would come to fetch me up. 1237 01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:43,120 One of the turning points 1238 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,520 In travolta's relationship with the church 1239 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,180 Is when he understood what was happening to spanky, 1240 01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:51,660 He didn't do anything about it. 1241 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,430 I know that he certainly got exposed 1242 01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:57,440 To the fact that not everything was on the up and up. 1243 01:00:57,470 --> 01:01:00,100 Why that wasn't sufficient for him to leave, 1244 01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:02,220 I don't know. 1245 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:07,180 I often wonder what-- what could possibly keep him there? 1246 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,450 Can you recall an incident 1247 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,710 Which occurred when your mother looked younger? 1248 01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:15,400 An auditor learns to keep notes contemporaneously 1249 01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:17,790 As he is doing a session, 1250 01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:21,210 About every detail of the person's life, 1251 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,130 Back to birth and beyond. 1252 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,630 If you do the whole program, 1253 01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:28,200 You end up with up to a file cabinet full 1254 01:01:28,220 --> 01:01:32,140 Of pre-clear folders on notations about your life, 1255 01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:35,170 Your thoughts, and your considerations about your life. 1256 01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:37,590 It's the most intimate detail. 1257 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,390 You're always encouraged, you're always threatened, 1258 01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:45,350 To disclose more and more and more. And all of it's recorded. 1259 01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:46,820 All of this material, 1260 01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:49,400 Which is represented to you to be held sacrosanct-- 1261 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,990 In fact, any information 1262 01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:54,740 That might do some harm to the organization, 1263 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,230 Gets unclassified automatically 1264 01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:59,830 And gets reported to another branch of the church 1265 01:01:59,870 --> 01:02:02,030 That deals with "ethics." 1266 01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:09,910 Travolta was down in clearwater. 1267 01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:12,260 We'd finished the renovations. 1268 01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,600 Every auditing room had two cameras-- 1269 01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:17,920 One on the meter, and one on the guy getting auditing. 1270 01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:21,100 Miscavige would sit in this 15x15 room, 1271 01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:23,100 Cameras of every session. 1272 01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:24,590 You can flip in between 'em, 1273 01:02:24,610 --> 01:02:26,560 And he was watching these things. 1274 01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:28,110 And it was for "training purposes." 1275 01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:29,590 Well, travolta saw that, 1276 01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:32,530 And he said, "i will not be videoed." 1277 01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:35,530 So i was there when they were setting it up, 1278 01:02:35,570 --> 01:02:37,400 And miscavige was directing it. 1279 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,240 "get him into a hotel room, 1280 01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:42,870 "hook up secret, private videos." 1281 01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:46,110 There were rumors 1282 01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:48,130 That he was threatening to leave, 1283 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,050 And another scientologist told me that he was delegated 1284 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,500 To create a black pr package-- all the damaging material 1285 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840 They could use against travolta, 1286 01:02:57,890 --> 01:03:00,140 Which came from his auditing sessions. 1287 01:03:00,180 --> 01:03:02,840 I know this because i used to do it 1288 01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:06,730 When i was the head of the office of special affairs. 1289 01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:08,520 We would put a team of people 1290 01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:11,770 Onto going through all of these pc folders 1291 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,520 And finding things that they believe. 1292 01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:18,610 By exposing them or threatening to expose them, 1293 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,250 They will cower the person 1294 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,780 That they're worried about into silence. 1295 01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:28,620 There is a particular writing 1296 01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:33,260 Where hubbard is training these office of special affairs people 1297 01:03:33,290 --> 01:03:37,460 On how, when you use private information 1298 01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,850 To control somebody to do what you want them to do, 1299 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,630 And to silence them from speaking out against scientology, 1300 01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:47,020 It's really not blackmail, because you're not asking for money. 1301 01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:48,970 But you're holding this secret information 1302 01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:51,310 Over the person's head to silence them. 1303 01:03:51,340 --> 01:03:53,510 As far as travolta is concerned, 1304 01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:56,850 People say, well, he-- there's all these things that we know about 1305 01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:58,700 That have been rumored in the tabloids. 1306 01:03:58,730 --> 01:04:01,540 But in fact, it's more of a two-way street. 1307 01:04:01,570 --> 01:04:03,290 You know, he's provided with an auditor 1308 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:04,710 Whose shoulder he can cry on, 1309 01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:07,710 But he's also provided with the muscle of the church, 1310 01:04:07,740 --> 01:04:10,290 In the form of myself and mike rinder. 1311 01:04:10,330 --> 01:04:11,500 On many occasions, 1312 01:04:11,530 --> 01:04:13,630 We were sent out to get with his publicist, 1313 01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:14,830 To get with his lawyer, 1314 01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:17,670 And to help squash or intimidate these people 1315 01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:19,970 That are making accusations against him. 1316 01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:21,470 Once that happened, 1317 01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:24,640 I think he was really the church's captive. 1318 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,430 Mr. John travolta! 1319 01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:48,730 When they were facing lawsuits and stuff like that, 1320 01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:50,030 He'd be brought forward, 1321 01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:52,870 And make his testimony about how great scientology is. 1322 01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:54,540 He had the opportunity 1323 01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:58,410 To affect the behavior of the church, and he chose not to. 1324 01:05:00,180 --> 01:05:02,850 Now i've been a scientologist for 23 years. 1325 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,220 I've felt like a pioneer in many-- in many ways, 1326 01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:08,770 And i've-- i've seen my efforts come to fruition... 1327 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,750 In various ways. 1328 01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:13,720 I think very few people can say that. 1329 01:05:13,780 --> 01:05:16,440 I've-- i'm part of a-- of a frontier in a way, 1330 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,760 You know, that, that very few people ever get to be part of. 1331 01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:56,520 Thank you. 1332 01:05:56,570 --> 01:05:59,100 Welcome to church! 1333 01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:02,740 It was the biggest event in scientology history, 1334 01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:06,190 And of course, miscavige wanted to milk it for everything he had. 1335 01:06:06,250 --> 01:06:08,200 It's this grand, produced thing, 1336 01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:12,670 Where it's all a single person on a gigantic stage, 1337 01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,990 All this sort of nazi symbolism. 1338 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,820 I clearly recall getting prepared for the event 1339 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,630 And miscavige up in that office, 1340 01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:24,290 You know, going 18-20 hours a day 1341 01:06:24,330 --> 01:06:27,300 Writing this speech, and thinking to myself, 1342 01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:30,220 "my god, you know? This is not just 1343 01:06:30,270 --> 01:06:32,890 "a victory celebration, 1344 01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:35,270 "this is a-- this is a coup." 1345 01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:37,810 What we are going to talk about 1346 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,650 Is the war to end all wars. 1347 01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,150 When you are in scientology, you are in all the way. 1348 01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:46,570 There's no half in and half out. 1349 01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:49,620 A decade into miscavige's leadership, 1350 01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:51,910 A simmering crisis finally came to a boil. 1351 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,380 For years hubbard had insisted that scientology was a religion 1352 01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:58,460 And should be tax-exempt, 1353 01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:02,200 So he had refused to pay any taxes. 1354 01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:04,750 We were facing a tax bill 1355 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,340 Of over a billion dollars, and the total assets, 1356 01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:11,930 Liquid and material, and property of the church 1357 01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:15,010 Was about a quarter of that at the time, in the '80s. 1358 01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:19,320 And so just from a real simple accounting basis, 1359 01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:20,680 It was life and death. 1360 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,270 If we don't get exemption, we die. 1361 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,220 If we get it, we survive. 1362 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,110 As lrh said, 1363 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,780 "one certainly couldn't contest anyone 1364 01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:31,560 "as holy as the commissioner of the irs, 1365 01:07:31,580 --> 01:07:36,120 "whom i believe gives god his orders." lrh. 1366 01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:38,120 Faced with this crisis, 1367 01:07:38,170 --> 01:07:40,900 David miscavige formulated a strategy. 1368 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,960 Think of the nerve that it takes 1369 01:07:44,010 --> 01:07:46,760 To decide to take on a war with the irs. 1370 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,630 The church of scientology 1371 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,080 Has been crucifying the federal agency 1372 01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,470 For its sins on a regular basis, 1373 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,550 Both in and out of courts. 1374 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,220 Thousands of scientologists all filed lawsuits, 1375 01:07:59,260 --> 01:08:00,420 Not just against the irs, 1376 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,310 But against individual irs employees. 1377 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,260 2400 total lawsuits, 1378 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,150 All going at the irs at one time. 1379 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,900 It was a litigation nightmare. 1380 01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:12,620 Being miscavige's right-hand man, 1381 01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:14,570 I was in charge of all those efforts. 1382 01:08:14,610 --> 01:08:17,820 We were not only suing them in every possible jurisdiction there was, 1383 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,740 We were investigating the irs for crimes generally, 1384 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,330 Or things that would offend the public. 1385 01:08:22,380 --> 01:08:24,380 ...These hearings into irs integrity... 1386 01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:25,720 In the late '80s, 1387 01:08:25,750 --> 01:08:27,470 There were hearings about irs abuses 1388 01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:28,750 That had nothing to do with scientology, 1389 01:08:28,790 --> 01:08:29,920 Had nothing to do with nonprofits, 1390 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,340 Had nothing to do with churches. 1391 01:08:31,390 --> 01:08:33,470 They had to do with joe taxpayer. 1392 01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,460 And they we were publishing these glossy, 1393 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,900 Expensive magazines. 1394 01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:40,980 In fact, the exposés of irs crimes 1395 01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:43,900 Were so hated that possession of "freedom" magazine 1396 01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:46,850 Was banned by irs officials in the irs building. 1397 01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:53,910 There is going to be a irs conference in the catskills. 1398 01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:57,030 Right? And so we would send a pi, 1399 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080 Find out which hotel it's gonna be at, 1400 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,320 Get down there during happy hour, socialize. 1401 01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:05,510 And this guy's tallying who's drinkin' what. 1402 01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:07,420 And so we go through freedom of information act 1403 01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:10,710 To find out that the taxpayers are paying the bar bill, 1404 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,550 And it's so much money. 1405 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,800 And of course, you know, 1406 01:09:13,830 --> 01:09:15,670 In the scheme of things, it's nothing. 1407 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,550 But from a pr perspective, it's everything. 1408 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,640 Irs officials told me to my face 1409 01:09:21,670 --> 01:09:24,110 They weren't interested in hearing anything 1410 01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:28,030 I had to say because, and i quote, 1411 01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:30,180 "you are a scientologist. 1412 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,400 "you are a mindless robot." 1413 01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:37,200 Well, those who know me can imagine my response. 1414 01:09:39,580 --> 01:09:43,410 It was short, but certainly made the point. 1415 01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:49,130 A negotiation began to take place 1416 01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:53,420 Between the irs and the church of scientology. 1417 01:09:53,470 --> 01:09:55,390 How do you define a religion? 1418 01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:57,010 It's not so easy. 1419 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,140 Why is one body of thinking a religion 1420 01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:03,650 And another body not? 1421 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,490 The only organization entitled to make those distinctions 1422 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,520 Is the irs as an agency-- 1423 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,820 Very poorly equipped to do that. 1424 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:14,610 I mean, they're mainly accountants and lawyers, 1425 01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:16,410 They're not theologians. 1426 01:10:16,450 --> 01:10:19,080 But it's the only opinion that matters. 1427 01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:22,370 Once the irs has decided that you are a religion, 1428 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,540 Then you are protected by the vast protections 1429 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:29,210 Of the first amendment. 1430 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,090 And, as the saying goes, 1431 01:10:32,130 --> 01:10:35,750 The rest is history. On october the first, 1993, 1432 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,850 At 8:37 pm eastern standard time, 1433 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,100 The irs issued letters recognizing scientology 1434 01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:44,220 And every one of its organizations 1435 01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:47,440 As fully tax-exempt! The war is over! 1436 01:10:54,370 --> 01:10:56,230 The war ended 1437 01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:58,200 Because the irs surrendered. 1438 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,400 It forgave the billion-dollar tax bill 1439 01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:04,070 And granted scientology its tax exemption. 1440 01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:06,880 Even hubbard's novels were declared religious texts, 1441 01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:10,080 Their sales exempt from taxes. 1442 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,500 What happened is that fred goldberg, 1443 01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:15,340 Who was the irs commissioner at that time-- 1444 01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:18,220 Miscavige let goldberg know that if we could find a way 1445 01:11:18,260 --> 01:11:19,760 To get tax-exempt status, 1446 01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:21,620 All those lawsuits will go away overnight. 1447 01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,090 And as we were going out the door, 1448 01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:25,460 Fred goldberg goes, "is he serious?" 1449 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:27,100 And i said, "yeah." 1450 01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:29,300 And he sort of breathed this sigh of relief, 1451 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,490 Kind of nodded, and smiled. 1452 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,270 At the church's victory party, 1453 01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:37,070 Miscavige projected photos of the church's executives 1454 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:40,660 Celebrating with irs officials. 1455 01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:43,750 It created this tremendous juggernaut 1456 01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:48,370 Of tight conspiracy of the membership that then existed, 1457 01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:51,760 But what it really did was enable miscavige 1458 01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:55,040 To milk every last dime 1459 01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:56,880 Out of that core membership. 1460 01:11:56,930 --> 01:12:01,010 I am proud to announce the discrimination is over. 1461 01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:02,930 Your tax dona-- 1462 01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:05,000 Deductions on donations to scientology 1463 01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:08,560 Will no longer be disallowed by the internal revenue service. 1464 01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,890 In the '80s, while hubbard was in hiding, 1465 01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:17,530 Scientology was going through some very severe litigation, 1466 01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:19,400 In particular, a lawsuit in oregon, 1467 01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:20,980 And one in los angeles. 1468 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,540 One of them did produce a $30 million judgment. 1469 01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:25,370 This scared scientology. 1470 01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:27,290 They realized they were vulnerable. 1471 01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:28,740 And so they asked scientologists, 1472 01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:30,990 "okay, give us a few thousand dollars. 1473 01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:33,250 "you'll get a nice ribbon or something. 1474 01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:35,370 "you're not gonna get any courses from it." and this was new, 1475 01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:37,370 The idea that you would give them money 1476 01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:39,550 Just to defend against lawsuits. 1477 01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:40,890 And that grew and grew. 1478 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,720 Now scientologists are constantly 1479 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,060 Under intense pressure just to hand money over. 1480 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:49,650 They pitch themselves as being the underdog, 1481 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,270 As being the victim. And you identify with that. 1482 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,890 But then they start hitting you up 1483 01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:58,020 For bigger donations, and bigger-- and i got a lot of pressure. 1484 01:12:58,060 --> 01:13:01,270 And i think i donated another $250,000 to them under pressure. 1485 01:13:01,330 --> 01:13:02,890 They really know how to do it. 1486 01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:05,280 They really know how to do it, and he just was after me and after me. 1487 01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:07,530 And they said, "we're under attack, paul." 1488 01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:09,670 This one guy who donated $25 million, 1489 01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:12,070 For no-- you know, just straight donation, 1490 01:13:12,090 --> 01:13:14,500 To this-- to the scientology war chest. 1491 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,010 Churches are tax-exempt 1492 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,100 Because they're supposed to provide a public good. 1493 01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:24,260 To prove that good to the irs, 1494 01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:26,720 Churches aren't supposed to hoard their money. 1495 01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:30,720 They're supposed to spend it on services for the faithful. 1496 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,890 Under this pretense, the church had made massive investments 1497 01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:35,980 In tax-free real estate all over the world. 1498 01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:38,700 And when it comes to labor costs, 1499 01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:42,400 They are almost free. 1500 01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:44,480 The max i got paid, you know, 1501 01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:47,270 On a weekly basis was 50 bucks, 1502 01:13:47,290 --> 01:13:49,240 Um, for 28 years. 1503 01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:52,610 Sea org workers take home something 1504 01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:56,210 Between six and 40 cents an hour. 1505 01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:59,950 So if you've got very low labor costs, 1506 01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:04,140 No taxes to pay, and wealthy people giving you donations, 1507 01:14:04,170 --> 01:14:08,810 You can see why scientology has amassed huge piles of money. 1508 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,290 How much are they worth? 1509 01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:12,650 This was a bit of a mystery, but just recently, 1510 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,960 I obtained tax records that scientology 1511 01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:16,800 Does have to turn in. 1512 01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:19,300 Three of the main entities of scientology-- 1513 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:20,990 And there are 20 or 30 of them-- 1514 01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:23,470 But the top three, just on their own, 1515 01:14:23,490 --> 01:14:27,160 Have a book value of $1.5 billion. 1516 01:14:28,450 --> 01:14:31,620 It's stunning how much money a nonprofit 1517 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:33,200 Has been able to amass. 1518 01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:47,800 It is a crime that we've given them religious recognition 1519 01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:49,500 And that they can hide behind it. 1520 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,690 Meanwhile, you got very good people in there, 1521 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,170 And their lives are being destroyed. 1522 01:14:54,190 --> 01:14:56,110 When i started this story, 1523 01:14:56,140 --> 01:14:59,480 I stumbled across an fbi investigation of the church. 1524 01:14:59,510 --> 01:15:02,350 They were investigating human trafficking. 1525 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,450 It seemed that people were being confined against their will. 1526 01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:08,990 There were lots of reports of people being physically abused, 1527 01:15:09,020 --> 01:15:12,160 And the exploitation of labor and child labor. 1528 01:15:12,190 --> 01:15:16,240 All of these things were questions that the fbi had. 1529 01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:18,910 While that investigation was going on, 1530 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,080 A case was being heard in colorado-- 1531 01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:25,000 The headleys, who were suing the church 1532 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,720 For many of these same violations. 1533 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,390 And the court ruled in that case 1534 01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:34,010 That these are all essentially practices 1535 01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:37,180 That are protected by the religious clause 1536 01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:39,880 Of the first amendment. 1537 01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:41,400 Once that ruling came out, 1538 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,690 The fbi dropped its investigation. 1539 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,190 I think it was an indication that the church is protected. 1540 01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,580 Before ending cycle completely on the irs, 1541 01:15:51,610 --> 01:15:54,250 There is one thing i do wish to do. 1542 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,400 Sir. Done. 1543 01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:55,980 The "we stand tall" thing-- 1544 01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:58,760 This again was part of this whole irs thing. 1545 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,260 And miscavige kind of had this song composed 1546 01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:03,570 By the musician group they had up at the studio. 1547 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,520 He was trying to turn this into-- 1548 01:17:05,570 --> 01:17:08,410 This was a result of the power of this movement... 1549 01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:19,620 ...Which was such bullshit, 1550 01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:22,340 Because it was all about control. 1551 01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:26,320 When he got absolute control, he went absolutely bonkers. 1552 01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:41,020 You know, most religions are tax-exempt 1553 01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:43,020 And many have beliefs and practices 1554 01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:46,280 That in the modern context would be considered strange. 1555 01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:47,890 Is scientology any different? 1556 01:17:47,950 --> 01:17:49,230 I mean, if you go to a christian 1557 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,150 Or a jew or a muslim, and ask them, 1558 01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:53,680 "what do you believe?", 1559 01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:55,320 They can basically describe 1560 01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:58,370 The most important parts of their religion 1561 01:17:58,410 --> 01:17:59,990 In a minute or two. 1562 01:18:00,020 --> 01:18:01,690 Well, what does a scientologist believe? 1563 01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:04,460 You need to be in scientology for seven or eight years, 1564 01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:06,860 And in for a couple hundred thousand dollars, 1565 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,920 Before you finally learn this backstory 1566 01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:10,830 Of xenu the galactic overlord. 1567 01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:12,750 Now, if you were told that on day one, 1568 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,750 How many people would join? 1569 01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:16,470 But if they were upfront about it, 1570 01:18:16,510 --> 01:18:18,090 I'd have more respect for them. 1571 01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:19,840 But it's that sort of bait and switch 1572 01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,980 That people are told, "oh, it's an applied philosophy 1573 01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:24,050 "to help you with your communication." 1574 01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:25,730 Oh, yeah? 1575 01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:28,050 So why is tom cruise paying 1,000 bucks 1576 01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:31,220 To have invisible aliens pulled out of his body? 1577 01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:41,500 What happens when your zone of influence 1578 01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:43,030 Is the global stage? 1579 01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:47,500 How much must one do to call themselves a scientologist? 1580 01:18:47,540 --> 01:18:50,570 How much so that when their head hits the pillow, 1581 01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:52,710 They can live with themselves, 1582 01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,460 Knowing they did all they could do? 1583 01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:57,800 That is our final story this evening. 1584 01:18:57,850 --> 01:19:01,470 It's a story that affects every scientologist, 1585 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,690 For all of us are the beneficiaries of what he presents. 1586 01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:10,310 Tom cruise was the guy. 1587 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,530 Miscavige and cruise had been pretty buddy-buddy, 1588 01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:17,650 Way back to "days of thunder." 1589 01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:21,700 He was on the set with him, he went skydiving with him, 1590 01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:25,070 Was hangin' out with him all the time. 1591 01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:27,780 And that was when tom first met nicole. 1592 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,250 He had really fallen for her. 1593 01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:31,580 They got married, 1594 01:19:31,620 --> 01:19:34,670 And this posed a dilemma for the church, 1595 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,170 Because her father 1596 01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:40,390 Is a well-known psychologist in australia. 1597 01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:42,680 From the church's perspective, he's the enemy. 1598 01:19:42,730 --> 01:19:44,640 He's a suppressive person. 1599 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,310 How could you ignore me like this? 1600 01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:48,060 Because nicole is still 1601 01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:50,650 In a relationship with her father, 1602 01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:52,970 That makes her dangerous. 1603 01:19:52,990 --> 01:19:56,520 She's a potential trouble source, pts. 1604 01:19:56,580 --> 01:20:00,330 And because tom is related to her, 1605 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,780 This all causes trouble from the church's perspective. 1606 01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:05,700 You have to break that dynamic. 1607 01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:08,820 Nicole-- her biggest beef 1608 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:13,540 Was that tom was becoming increasingly like dave. 1609 01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:16,330 She really got him to drift away from the church, 1610 01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:20,210 And tom was not really actively involved in scientology 1611 01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:23,970 Between '92-ish all the way up until 2001. 1612 01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:29,110 They were away for more than a year 1613 01:20:29,140 --> 01:20:31,940 Shooting "eyes wide shut" in the uk. 1614 01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:35,900 And cruise was not in touch with miscavige, 1615 01:20:35,950 --> 01:20:38,280 And this drove miscavige crazy. 1616 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,020 I was assigned to, um, get him back in. 1617 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,320 And that was coincident with, and-- and i was to facilitate 1618 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,660 The breakup with nicole kidman. 1619 01:20:46,690 --> 01:20:48,570 And how'd you do that? 1620 01:20:48,630 --> 01:20:51,210 Uh, well, through a lot of auditing. 1621 01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:54,830 And every session i ever gave to tom cruise-- 1622 01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:58,920 And there was dozens upon dozens of them over a three-year period-- 1623 01:20:58,970 --> 01:21:00,700 I had to write detailed reports 1624 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,220 And send them directly to david miscavige. 1625 01:21:03,260 --> 01:21:05,640 I would sit there every night with our scotch 1626 01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,980 And watch and listen to miscavige comment 1627 01:21:08,010 --> 01:21:11,680 About cruise's sex life, and what-- yeah, 1628 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,520 How perverted he was. 1629 01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:17,220 Why is he gettin' daily reports on cruise? 1630 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,740 Miscavige really wanted to get him back 1631 01:21:19,770 --> 01:21:21,410 Into being somebody that he could use 1632 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:25,280 To lure people into scientology and increase his own status. 1633 01:21:25,330 --> 01:21:28,110 And i was also involved in the legal team 1634 01:21:28,170 --> 01:21:33,090 And actually hiring investigators to investigate nicole. 1635 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,750 Men have to stick it in every place they can, 1636 01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:36,790 But for women-- women, it is just about 1637 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,710 Security and commitment-- 1638 01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:41,010 Tom wanted to know exactly who she was talking to, 1639 01:21:41,050 --> 01:21:43,850 And so he wanted to tap her phone. 1640 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,770 If you men only knew. 1641 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,270 When i reported that day to miscavige, 1642 01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:52,590 I reported it, like, "i mean, he wants to tap her phone." 1643 01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:54,890 He said, "god damn it, get it done." 1644 01:21:54,930 --> 01:21:58,730 And so i arranged, through the scientology's consigliere, 1645 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,360 To get a private investigator 1646 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,950 Who physically installed a wiretap on her home. 1647 01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:05,940 And those tapes would come in, 1648 01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:09,410 And i forwarded them to dave miscavige. 1649 01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:11,910 The church then turned its attention 1650 01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:16,210 To their adopted children, to turn them against their mother 1651 01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:19,300 And make sure that the custody went to tom. 1652 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,470 Tommy davis, he was my liaison 1653 01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:28,810 Who had to do all the things that are required 1654 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,230 To please tom cruise 1655 01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:32,980 While he was being put through the scientology hoops by me. 1656 01:22:33,010 --> 01:22:37,520 He also was part of this whole reeducation program, 1657 01:22:37,570 --> 01:22:40,690 So that they would conclude that their mother 1658 01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:43,190 Was a suppressive person. 1659 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,410 And that was successful. 1660 01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:47,330 It was all going according to plan. 1661 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,080 And of course, miscavige would really 1662 01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,870 Pump the oxygen into that little fire, you know. 1663 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,320 Miscavige was brilliant at flaming people's fears, 1664 01:22:57,340 --> 01:22:59,460 And building up their egos. 1665 01:23:01,540 --> 01:23:04,210 So you were being audited by marty 1666 01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:06,350 At the same time he was auditing cruise? 1667 01:23:06,380 --> 01:23:08,660 Oh, yeah, yeah, i was-- yeah, tom cruise. 1668 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,180 Tom would go in, and i would go in, and tom would go in, 1669 01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:13,850 And i would go in, and so, you know... 1670 01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:16,860 And i had been audited by the best auditors on the planet. 1671 01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:19,140 The best auditor, hands down, 1672 01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:21,730 I mean, like-- like kinda michael jordan, 1673 01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:24,400 Wayne gretsky, kinda auditor is marty. 1674 01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:27,030 1675 01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:30,040 They stole him, you know? 1676 01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:33,190 Tom thinks he's supposed to be david miscavige. 1677 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,540 By 2004, tom cruise was the most gung-ho scientologist in the world, 1678 01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:39,750 And miscavige wanted to recognize him for it. 1679 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,530 He called it the freedom medal of valor 1680 01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:46,090 And they put together this 35-minute video. 1681 01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:51,010 Ias freedom medal of valor winner, tom cruise! 1682 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,380 In it, they just pump up this idea 1683 01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:58,060 That tom cruise is the ambassador of scientology to the world. 1684 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,770 He's known as the biggest movie star ever. 1685 01:24:00,820 --> 01:24:02,550 Tom cruise travels this world, 1686 01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:04,720 Meeting with ministers, ambassadors, 1687 01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:06,320 And the american state department, 1688 01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:11,360 Advancing lrh technology straight into the corridors of power. 1689 01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:13,030 It's about improving conditions. 1690 01:24:13,060 --> 01:24:15,200 It allows you to find out for yourself. 1691 01:24:15,230 --> 01:24:16,700 There's things that we can do to help. 1692 01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:18,500 They even did a calculation, 1693 01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:20,670 Where they figured between his films 1694 01:24:20,710 --> 01:24:22,740 And all the "opinion leaders" that he had met 1695 01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,370 And all the travel he had done... 1696 01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:27,260 Tom cruise has introduced lrh technology 1697 01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:30,910 To over one billion people of earth. 1698 01:24:30,930 --> 01:24:34,220 No question, he has been a huge asset to them. 1699 01:24:34,270 --> 01:24:36,920 Which is why the story of tom cruise, 1700 01:24:36,940 --> 01:24:42,060 Scientologist, has only just begun. 1701 01:24:42,090 --> 01:24:44,090 I think it's a privilege to call yourself a scientologist, 1702 01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:45,950 And it's something that you have to earn. 1703 01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:47,900 Scientology loves to use this word "end phenomena." 1704 01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:50,780 Every level has an end phenomena, 1705 01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:52,120 You know, that you attain, 1706 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,150 And tom cruise shows that. 1707 01:24:55,210 --> 01:24:57,660 That video with him in the black turtleneck sweater? 1708 01:24:57,710 --> 01:24:59,460 A scientologist is someone who can look at the world 1709 01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:01,610 And really see what it is. 1710 01:25:01,630 --> 01:25:04,750 Not only look at it and see it, but be able to go, 1711 01:25:04,780 --> 01:25:08,000 Poof, and be effective, and do something about it. 1712 01:25:08,090 --> 01:25:10,920 And he's as arrogant and as untouchable 1713 01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,340 As could possibly be. 1714 01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:15,470 At the same time, he looks like an utter crazy paranoiac. 1715 01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:22,270 And, uh... I know-- you know, she... 1716 01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:25,940 They, said, "so, like have you met an sp?" 1717 01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:33,110 And i looked at her, 1718 01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:36,080 And i thought, "oh, what a beautiful thing," 1719 01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:38,780 Because maybe one day, it'll be like that. 1720 01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:40,920 You know what i'm saying? Maybe one day, 1721 01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:43,790 It will be that-- "wow. Sp's?" 1722 01:25:43,820 --> 01:25:45,370 Like, they'll just read about those 1723 01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:47,320 In the history books, you know? 1724 01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:49,210 That's where it takes you. 1725 01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:52,850 That's the end phenomena of the scientology bridge. 1726 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,960 All scientologists are full of shit. 1727 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,130 You know, they lie. "aw, i'm doing great! 1728 01:25:57,170 --> 01:25:59,020 "you gotta get on seven." 1729 01:25:59,050 --> 01:26:01,020 You know, and they're fucking-- 1730 01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:03,440 "i've got a fucking migraine right now, 1731 01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:06,280 "and i've never felt so shitty!" 1732 01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:08,680 You know, that's the fucking life. 1733 01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:14,020 There's nothing part of the way for me! 1734 01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:17,790 It's just-- whoo! 1735 01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:19,620 He drank the kool-aid. 1736 01:26:19,660 --> 01:26:22,120 And in the eyes of miscavige, 1737 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,710 Tom cruise is the perfect scientology celebrity. 1738 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,580 And nobody's benefited more from his membership. 1739 01:26:29,630 --> 01:26:32,250 I mean, the amount of free sea org labor. 1740 01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:35,700 Sea org members make 40 cents an hour, 1741 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,510 And i don't think there's any way 1742 01:26:37,540 --> 01:26:39,310 Tom cruise is not aware of that. 1743 01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:40,680 The church has done so much for him. 1744 01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:42,900 They tricked out all his cars and his motorcycles. 1745 01:26:42,930 --> 01:26:46,350 "oh, i want a new limo." "we'll build it for you." 1746 01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:49,490 Decked out tom cruise's hangar in santa monica. 1747 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,570 Installed all the audiovisual stuff in cruise's home. 1748 01:26:53,610 --> 01:26:55,910 Tom cruise had expressed this fantasy 1749 01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:59,250 Of wanting to run through a meadow with nicole kidman. 1750 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,580 And so everybody had to work, and till the soil. 1751 01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:03,870 And then david miscavige didn't like it, 1752 01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:06,440 And so the whole thing had to be ripped up again. 1753 01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:08,750 This was at the gold facility, 1754 01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:10,420 Which is this desert facility, 1755 01:27:10,460 --> 01:27:12,840 Where this is all kinds of great stuff, 1756 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,430 If you're tom cruise, you know? 1757 01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:16,130 Wonderful living quarters and a gym. 1758 01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:18,800 When cruise comes up, everyone's told in advance, 1759 01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:20,750 "you better have a fucking smile on your face." 1760 01:27:20,770 --> 01:27:22,850 Everyone had to call cruise "sir." 1761 01:27:22,890 --> 01:27:26,860 1762 01:27:45,710 --> 01:27:48,660 Thank you. 1763 01:27:48,710 --> 01:27:50,630 It's this side-by-side world. 1764 01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:52,830 There are celebrities like cruise and travolta, 1765 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,330 And then, you know, there are people 1766 01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:57,640 Who tell terrible tales of what happened to them in the church-- 1767 01:27:57,670 --> 01:28:02,170 Being imprisoned and really horrible psychological games. 1768 01:28:04,460 --> 01:28:06,760 Tom was in spain. 1769 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:11,020 They were opening up a new scientology church in madrid. 1770 01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:13,690 And he was overheard to complain 1771 01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:15,650 That he needed a new girlfriend. 1772 01:28:15,690 --> 01:28:19,660 Soon after that, a young scientologist premed student 1773 01:28:19,690 --> 01:28:22,750 Named nazanin boniadi-- she was told 1774 01:28:22,780 --> 01:28:25,410 That she was going to get a special assignment. 1775 01:28:25,450 --> 01:28:27,150 ...Number of transactions increase... 1776 01:28:27,170 --> 01:28:30,090 Years later, nazanin became a successful tv actress 1777 01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,510 And she would have a small part in a paul haggis film. 1778 01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:36,430 But at the time, she was a dedicated young scientologist 1779 01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:38,490 Who believed in the church's claims 1780 01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:40,460 For its humanitarian mission. 1781 01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:42,770 In fact, she set a monthly record 1782 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,020 For selling books for the church. 1783 01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:49,510 Nazanin may not speak publicly about her experiences 1784 01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,530 Because of an nda the church pressured her to sign, 1785 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,840 But i discovered details from fbi testimony 1786 01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:58,110 Regarding her ordeal. 1787 01:28:58,150 --> 01:29:00,650 David miscavige assigned nazanin's case 1788 01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,290 To a key church official, greg wilhere. 1789 01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,450 He put her through a one-month program 1790 01:29:05,490 --> 01:29:10,330 Of on-camera interviews, intensive auditing, and security checks. 1791 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,550 She was moved into the celebrity center, 1792 01:29:12,580 --> 01:29:16,030 Separated from her family, and certain problems were addressed 1793 01:29:16,050 --> 01:29:17,630 During this period of time. 1794 01:29:17,670 --> 01:29:19,970 One was, she had a boyfriend. 1795 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,920 She is handed a transcript of his auditing session, 1796 01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:26,380 In which he admitted that he had an affair. 1797 01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:28,430 And so she broke up with him. 1798 01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,760 Then wilhere took her to an orthodontist 1799 01:29:30,820 --> 01:29:32,010 To have her braces removed. 1800 01:29:32,050 --> 01:29:34,180 At burberry and other stores in beverly hills, 1801 01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:37,890 He bought her $20,000 worth of clothes. 1802 01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:40,240 At the celebrity centre, a man who worked 1803 01:29:40,270 --> 01:29:41,820 For cruise's hair stylist 1804 01:29:41,860 --> 01:29:44,890 Colored nazanin's hair to cruise's liking. 1805 01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:46,910 Nazanin was told that her makeover 1806 01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:49,780 Was a part of the church's humanitarian mission. 1807 01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:54,240 She had to look her best for conferences with world leaders. 1808 01:29:56,620 --> 01:29:59,910 Only after she was flown first class to new york 1809 01:29:59,930 --> 01:30:01,790 Did she discover the actual role 1810 01:30:01,850 --> 01:30:04,130 That the church wanted her to play. 1811 01:30:04,180 --> 01:30:08,880 She was to be the girlfriend of scientology's biggest star. 1812 01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:13,610 Within a month, nazanin was living with cruise. 1813 01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,560 While at his house in telluride, 1814 01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:17,030 Miscavige came to visit. 1815 01:30:17,060 --> 01:30:19,200 Overcome by a severe headache, 1816 01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:22,100 Nazanin had a hard time understanding miscavige, 1817 01:30:22,130 --> 01:30:23,630 Which infuriated him. 1818 01:30:23,670 --> 01:30:26,100 The next day, cruise, inches from her face, 1819 01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,950 Pounded his fist on the table and screamed at her 1820 01:30:28,990 --> 01:30:31,240 For insulting the head of the church. 1821 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,610 Two weeks later, church henchman tommy davis 1822 01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:36,160 Delivered the news to nazanin-- 1823 01:30:36,210 --> 01:30:38,660 The relationship with cruise was over. 1824 01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,000 And they, according to her, 1825 01:30:40,050 --> 01:30:42,220 Came to her apartment with her mom 1826 01:30:42,250 --> 01:30:45,090 And found every photograph of the two of them together, 1827 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,060 And took them away. Every scrap, every letter, everything, 1828 01:30:48,090 --> 01:30:50,840 They... As if it never existed. 1829 01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:52,850 And she was really upset, 1830 01:30:52,900 --> 01:30:55,560 Because she had been really hurt by the whole thing. 1831 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,130 And she made the mistake of telling her friend, 1832 01:30:58,150 --> 01:31:01,490 Who immediately went to tell someone in the church. 1833 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,970 She agreed to do punishments, 1834 01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:06,190 Like cleaning out the public bathrooms 1835 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,280 On her hands and knees with a toothbrush, 1836 01:31:09,310 --> 01:31:14,030 While other people she knew were stepping over her. 1837 01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:16,040 She did nothing wrong, other than tell her friend 1838 01:31:16,090 --> 01:31:18,590 That she was heartbroken, and this is the way she was treated? 1839 01:31:18,620 --> 01:31:20,510 1840 01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:23,490 The church claims that miscavige has no involvement 1841 01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:25,490 In cruise's personal life 1842 01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:29,550 And that the search for cruise's girlfriend never existed. 1843 01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:36,360 I wanna tell you something. 1844 01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:40,030 I have never met a more competent, 1845 01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:43,060 A more intelligent, a more tolerant, 1846 01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:45,350 A more compassionate being, 1847 01:31:45,370 --> 01:31:50,570 Outside of what i've experienced from lrh. 1848 01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:53,660 And i've met the leaders of leaders. 1849 01:31:53,690 --> 01:31:55,740 Okay? I've met them all. 1850 01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:57,190 And so i say to you, sir, cob, 1851 01:31:57,210 --> 01:32:00,030 We are lucky to have you and thank you very much. 1852 01:32:01,370 --> 01:32:03,330 While miscavige would do anything 1853 01:32:03,380 --> 01:32:05,500 For the church's most famous celebrity, 1854 01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:07,420 Miscavige began to turn against 1855 01:32:07,470 --> 01:32:10,420 The sea org's highest-ranking executives. 1856 01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:14,060 He pretty much had international management shut down. 1857 01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:16,350 He was into this deep paranoia thing 1858 01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:17,900 About everybody is out to get him. 1859 01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:20,930 He very definitely 1860 01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:23,550 Wiped out that organizational pattern 1861 01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:25,900 In order to be able to have ultimate power. 1862 01:32:25,940 --> 01:32:28,190 In 2004, 1863 01:32:28,230 --> 01:32:31,240 Miscavige ordered the top officers of the sea org 1864 01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,530 To the scientology's gold base 1865 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,080 In southern california. 1866 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,170 He forced them to live in a pair of double-wide trailers 1867 01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,590 That came to be called "the hole." 1868 01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:42,590 The doors had bars put on them, 1869 01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:44,920 The windows all had bars put on them, 1870 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,340 And there was one entrance door 1871 01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:50,510 That a security guard sat at 24 hours a day. 1872 01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:52,600 They had to stay there, sleep there. 1873 01:32:52,630 --> 01:32:56,020 It stunk and, you know, there were ants crawling around. 1874 01:32:56,050 --> 01:32:58,300 You'd sleep about an hour or two hours a night. 1875 01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,640 Um, you were in such a mental state 1876 01:33:00,690 --> 01:33:03,360 That you're very controllable, very suggestible. 1877 01:33:03,390 --> 01:33:05,930 We were told we needed to come up 1878 01:33:05,950 --> 01:33:08,310 With what each other's crimes were 1879 01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:10,150 Against miscavige and hubbard, 1880 01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,150 So that we could eventually get out of the hole. 1881 01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,570 Scientology is really good 1882 01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:16,960 At making you think that you are a scoundrel. 1883 01:33:16,990 --> 01:33:20,380 "confess your crimes! Confess your crimes! What have you done?" 1884 01:33:20,410 --> 01:33:21,490 Fights would break out. 1885 01:33:21,550 --> 01:33:24,330 Miscavige would get me all riled up. 1886 01:33:24,380 --> 01:33:26,450 And i remember one time, mike had done something, 1887 01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:28,300 Or not done something, i don't remember, 1888 01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:30,250 And i was supposed to go beat him up. 1889 01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:32,500 One executive was made to mop up 1890 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,420 The bathroom floor with his tongue. 1891 01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:37,290 Another was put into a bucket, 1892 01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:40,260 And pummeled by some of the women, and called a lesbian. 1893 01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:43,320 There was a very powerful air conditioner, 1894 01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:44,800 Which blew straight down, 1895 01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:46,900 It was set on maximum cold, 1896 01:33:46,940 --> 01:33:49,070 And a guy was made to sit in a chair, 1897 01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:50,740 And had water poured on his head 1898 01:33:50,780 --> 01:33:54,030 Until he literally turned blue. 1899 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,200 Miscavige slapped me across the face, 1900 01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:57,980 Knocked me on the ground, kicked me a couple times. 1901 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,250 Flailing fists, kneeing him in the stomach, 1902 01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:01,750 Getting him on the floor. 1903 01:34:01,790 --> 01:34:06,320 And you think, you want to get up and retaliate, 1904 01:34:06,340 --> 01:34:09,340 But you also think, "i got 75 other people 1905 01:34:09,380 --> 01:34:13,680 "who are all likely to tackle me if i did"... 1906 01:34:13,710 --> 01:34:17,430 And then you got the sheer shock of it. 1907 01:34:17,470 --> 01:34:19,270 Here's the equivalent of the pope 1908 01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:21,670 Suddenly knocking you on the ground, 1909 01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:23,270 And you're thinking, 1910 01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:27,030 "i must have really screwed up." 1911 01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:30,950 It was a poisonous environment. 1912 01:34:30,980 --> 01:34:33,150 People were really frightened. 1913 01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,650 And this went on for years. 1914 01:34:35,690 --> 01:34:37,820 This isn't a couple of days. 1915 01:34:37,870 --> 01:34:40,360 The nominal president of the church, 1916 01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:41,710 This man named heber jentszch, 1917 01:34:41,740 --> 01:34:43,380 He was in there for seven years. 1918 01:34:43,410 --> 01:34:44,960 What is the statement? 1919 01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,860 "god helps those who help themselves." 1920 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,410 Well, in scientology, we're engaged 1921 01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:50,130 In helping people help themselves, 1922 01:34:50,170 --> 01:34:54,220 So they can fully comprehend and understand god. 1923 01:35:01,060 --> 01:35:02,900 One night, 1924 01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:05,810 Miscavige comes into the hole with a boom box. 1925 01:35:05,850 --> 01:35:09,320 He said, "i'm gonna teach you all a lesson. 1926 01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:11,850 "we're all gonna play musical chairs." 1927 01:35:11,890 --> 01:35:13,490 And musical chairs is a scientology 1928 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,360 Administrative term for when you move people 1929 01:35:15,390 --> 01:35:18,780 From different posts rapidly, and you create instability. 1930 01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:20,110 They played the damned music. 1931 01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:26,740 He said, "we're gonna play it 1932 01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:28,920 To 'bohemian rhapsody' by queen." 1933 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,510 And he emphasized the line... 1934 01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:34,960 ..."nothing matters anymore." and that's your whole attitude, 1935 01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:36,680 That's where you live, that's who you are. 1936 01:35:36,710 --> 01:35:37,960 Playing that music, and stop it, 1937 01:35:38,020 --> 01:35:39,550 And everyone would have to grab a chair. 1938 01:35:39,580 --> 01:35:41,580 And there's one person left standing. 1939 01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:51,140 What miscavige has warned them 1940 01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,400 Is that the last person who remains gets to stay. 1941 01:35:54,430 --> 01:35:55,760 "everybody else, you're expelled. 1942 01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:57,480 "you're going to be thrown out of the sea org." 1943 01:35:57,540 --> 01:36:02,070 These people were fighting to stay in the hole. 1944 01:36:02,110 --> 01:36:05,110 Throwing people around, scratching, kicking. 1945 01:36:05,130 --> 01:36:08,080 They're tearing chairs apart, they're ripping clothing. 1946 01:36:08,110 --> 01:36:09,380 And whatever it took. 1947 01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:18,720 But then nothing happens. 1948 01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:27,060 "out of the goodness of my heart, you can stay. 1949 01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:29,260 "but you better come clean. You better-- 1950 01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:31,480 "i better have some good confessions out of you." 1951 01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,150 I-- i mean, you-- you know... 1952 01:36:35,190 --> 01:36:38,360 As much as they get into everything that you ever think or do, 1953 01:36:38,410 --> 01:36:40,910 They never got into my think on this score, 1954 01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:43,330 That i would never go to prison. 1955 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,500 And so it was inevitable, when i got-- when i-- 1956 01:36:46,530 --> 01:36:49,080 He literally created this prison camp. 1957 01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:53,120 Um, it was inevitable that i wasn't gonna last there. 1958 01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,380 It's embarrassing to have ever been involved with, 1959 01:37:01,430 --> 01:37:02,970 To think about it. 1960 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,050 "god, i can't even believe i'm talkin' about it." 1961 01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,640 But it was bad. 1962 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,710 Let's say the fbi showed up at the hole, 1963 01:37:11,740 --> 01:37:14,110 And said, "this is the fbi. We're lettin' everyone out." 1964 01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:16,780 Do you think everyone would have said, "oh, thank god, the fbi's here"? 1965 01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:19,530 No. I think that everybody, one for one, 1966 01:37:19,570 --> 01:37:21,650 Would have gone, "what do you mean? 1967 01:37:21,690 --> 01:37:23,870 "we-- we're doing this voluntarily. 1968 01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:26,370 "we like living in these conditions." 1969 01:37:26,410 --> 01:37:27,790 Over the past week, 1970 01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:29,570 We've been reporting on allegations of physical abuse 1971 01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:30,990 Inside the church of scientology. 1972 01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:33,130 We spoke with the ex-wives of some of the men 1973 01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:34,580 Making the claims of abuse. 1974 01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:36,300 I read all of your affidavits. 1975 01:37:36,330 --> 01:37:38,330 Obviously, your ex-husbands have made charges 1976 01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:39,800 Against david miscavige, 1977 01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,550 Saying that they have seen repeated acts of physical violence 1978 01:37:42,590 --> 01:37:43,840 Perpetrated by mr. Miscavige. 1979 01:37:43,870 --> 01:37:45,970 Is-- is any of that true? 1980 01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:48,510 No. No. Not one ounce of it. 1981 01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:51,180 That's not the character of mr. David miscavige. 1982 01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:54,520 My ex-wife, marty rathbun's ex-wife, 1983 01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:58,240 Tom de vocht's ex-wife, that were on "anderson cooper," 1984 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,570 They all came out of the hole! 1985 01:38:00,610 --> 01:38:03,160 They were all sent there to do that. 1986 01:38:03,190 --> 01:38:05,410 They went back to the hole! 1987 01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:07,200 It's just ridiculous. 1988 01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:09,700 This line that my ex-wife said... 1989 01:38:09,730 --> 01:38:12,750 I lived with mike rinder for over 35 years. 1990 01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:15,040 I know every square inch of mike rinder's body. 1991 01:38:15,070 --> 01:38:17,870 She said it because she was told to say it by miscavige. 1992 01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:21,010 And the proof of that is, when tom de vocht's ex-wife 1993 01:38:21,050 --> 01:38:24,880 Then repeated the same thing over again... 1994 01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,930 I know every inch of him. 1995 01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:28,720 You gotta be kidding me! 1996 01:38:28,750 --> 01:38:29,850 Everything that happens 1997 01:38:29,890 --> 01:38:31,720 From the church of scientology is scripted. 1998 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,770 Don't ever turn the other cheek and acquiesce, 1999 01:38:33,810 --> 01:38:35,560 Hit 'em back. 2000 01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:39,780 Marty rathbun suddenly went and leapt on top of mike rinder 2001 01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:41,560 And fought him to the ground 2002 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,120 And started choking him and beating him. 2003 01:38:44,150 --> 01:38:46,120 And nothing seems to have been done about it. 2004 01:38:46,150 --> 01:38:48,040 Mr. Miscavige was not at the property at the time. 2005 01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:49,540 Do you not have telephones? 2006 01:38:49,570 --> 01:38:51,070 Of course we have telephones. 2007 01:38:51,110 --> 01:38:53,410 I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. 2008 01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,610 Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line-- 2009 01:38:55,630 --> 01:38:58,160 There is no history of violence in the church. 2010 01:38:58,220 --> 01:39:01,080 As somebody who ran pr for the church for a long time, 2011 01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,720 Do you have any regret for anything that you did in that capacity? 2012 01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,170 Well, i think the biggest regret 2013 01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:11,640 Is when john sweeney at "panorama" was doing his program, 2014 01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,010 It was the culmination of a lot-- 2015 01:39:14,060 --> 01:39:16,430 I mean, i'd been in the hole for a year. 2016 01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:19,520 And i ended up being sent to england. 2017 01:39:19,570 --> 01:39:22,100 Hi, mike. He was constantly going, 2018 01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:25,610 "well, why do you have private investigators following me?" 2019 01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,740 I'm like... That never happened! 2020 01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:29,310 Ever, ever happened! 2021 01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:30,860 And of course there were. 2022 01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:32,660 I was following john sweeney. 2023 01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:35,370 Oh, there it is. 2024 01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:38,340 Okay, there we are. 2025 01:39:38,370 --> 01:39:40,040 He's got his camera, 2026 01:39:40,090 --> 01:39:41,840 He's standing there and he's saying, 2027 01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,290 "i want a response. I have credible witnesses. 2028 01:39:45,330 --> 01:39:49,600 "did david miscavige physically assault you?" 2029 01:39:49,630 --> 01:39:50,850 And i said... 2030 01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:55,350 Those allegations are absolute, utter rubbish. 2031 01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,140 Absolute, utter rubbish. 2032 01:39:58,180 --> 01:40:00,030 You have been assaulted by miscavige? 2033 01:40:00,060 --> 01:40:02,440 Many times, many times. 2034 01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,480 Perhaps more than anybody else. 2035 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,700 I was now sort of 2036 01:40:09,740 --> 01:40:12,700 At the end of my rope. 2037 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,490 It was a real moment of clarity for me-- 2038 01:40:17,530 --> 01:40:19,860 "i don't want to be doing this anymore. 2039 01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,910 "this is nuts!" 2040 01:40:21,970 --> 01:40:26,640 That was actually the last thing that i did before i left. 2041 01:40:36,710 --> 01:40:40,770 So i'd been in scientology about two and a half years. 2042 01:40:40,820 --> 01:40:43,020 I am kickin' ass. 2043 01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:46,660 I felt like i had gotten out of the fuckin' trap. 2044 01:40:46,690 --> 01:40:49,360 I didn't have to have a problem. 2045 01:40:49,410 --> 01:40:51,690 I said, "i'm done with auditing." 2046 01:40:51,730 --> 01:40:54,660 But they insisted on gettin' me back, 2047 01:40:54,700 --> 01:40:57,420 And said just, "believe us, believe us, believe us." 2048 01:40:57,450 --> 01:41:00,170 I got so fucked up. 2049 01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,070 I mean, they-- they-- i went insane. 2050 01:41:03,090 --> 01:41:06,120 I was, like, stuck somewhere 2051 01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:08,930 In a tiny spot behind my eyeballs, 2052 01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,800 Looking this way. 2053 01:41:11,850 --> 01:41:15,300 I mean, i-- i'd never experienced anything like it. 2054 01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:18,190 10 fuckin' years! 2055 01:41:19,110 --> 01:41:22,690 I was worse than the day that i walked in. 2056 01:41:22,730 --> 01:41:25,530 It was by design, 'cause they needed to-- 2057 01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,530 To keep me in there. 2058 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,230 So basically, they had to 2059 01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:31,900 Put a whole new case on me, so they could run it. 2060 01:41:31,940 --> 01:41:35,450 And they just kept tryin' to fuckin' keep me stuck in. 2061 01:41:35,490 --> 01:41:36,940 It was crazy! 2062 01:41:36,970 --> 01:41:42,080 So i finally said, "i'm going my way. You guys go yours." 2063 01:41:42,110 --> 01:41:45,960 I was pissed. I was sad. I was disillusioned. 2064 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,220 And i thought, "maybe somebody could interview me, 2065 01:41:49,250 --> 01:41:51,950 "ask me some questions about scientology." 2066 01:41:51,970 --> 01:41:56,120 How i got into scientology, and why i got out. 2067 01:41:56,140 --> 01:41:57,930 Post this two-hour thing, 2068 01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,760 And it was the #1 thing on youtube for two days 2069 01:42:00,810 --> 01:42:02,800 Before it "mysteriously" disappeared. 2070 01:42:02,820 --> 01:42:04,020 The best traps-- 2071 01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:06,600 You get a guy to just keep himself in jail. 2072 01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,770 Right? And that's what scientology does. 2073 01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:12,270 I started getting all this communication 2074 01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:13,910 Because of that video. 2075 01:42:13,940 --> 01:42:16,980 You know, "you saved my family." 2076 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,950 You know, "you've-- i finally had the courage 2077 01:42:18,980 --> 01:42:21,150 "to leave after i watched your thing." 2078 01:42:21,170 --> 01:42:25,790 You know? I mean, like, there's blood and tears. 2079 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,840 And then i started to find out, 2080 01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:30,160 You know, all the stuff that was really happening. 2081 01:42:30,180 --> 01:42:32,290 You know, i lost money, i got fucked, 2082 01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:35,660 But then i found out about the abuse in the sea org. 2083 01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,670 And i felt like, "fuck me, i gotta do somethin' about it." 2084 01:42:38,690 --> 01:42:41,440 And i finally tracked down marty rathbun. 2085 01:42:41,470 --> 01:42:43,170 Everybody thought he was dead. 2086 01:42:43,190 --> 01:42:45,640 He was in fuckin' mexico. And i went down there, 2087 01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:47,680 And i basically convinced him to talk. 2088 01:42:47,690 --> 01:42:49,510 And, like, "we gotta do somethin'." 2089 01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:51,150 And then he started his blog. 2090 01:42:55,190 --> 01:42:57,120 There was a beating every day. 2091 01:42:57,150 --> 01:42:58,450 And if it wasn't him doin' it, 2092 01:42:58,490 --> 01:43:02,370 It was from him inciting others to do it to others. 2093 01:43:02,410 --> 01:43:04,210 I think that it's a cult. 2094 01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,630 I'm doin' my own thing, i want to get on with my life. 2095 01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:08,500 I am telling the truth. 2096 01:43:08,530 --> 01:43:10,750 Suddenly i heard senior members of the church 2097 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,370 Were speaking out, 2098 01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:16,000 So i started to look, and i started to read. 2099 01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,010 And then i started to reach out to people. 2100 01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,180 Two of my daughters are gay, and told me 2101 01:43:21,210 --> 01:43:24,560 How they'd been treated within the church. I didn't know. 2102 01:43:24,650 --> 01:43:27,400 Paul haggis's daughters were openly harassed 2103 01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:29,480 By church members for being gay. 2104 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,690 Investigating further, haggis discovered 2105 01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,820 That church doctrine viewed homosexuality as a disease 2106 01:43:34,860 --> 01:43:37,490 That only hubbard's teachings could cure. 2107 01:43:37,530 --> 01:43:39,660 And a california chapter of scientology 2108 01:43:39,700 --> 01:43:42,830 Had supported a ban on gay marriage. 2109 01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:45,030 I can't be part of an organization 2110 01:43:45,070 --> 01:43:48,340 That doesn't support 2111 01:43:48,370 --> 01:43:50,590 Human rights for everyone. 2112 01:43:52,930 --> 01:43:56,260 So i sent a letter to 25 friends in the church 2113 01:43:56,300 --> 01:43:58,010 That i was resigning. 2114 01:43:58,050 --> 01:44:00,470 And i'd hoped they'd read this letter 2115 01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,890 And be horrified by the things i'd found out. 2116 01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:11,390 A few days later, i drive home. 2117 01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:13,650 There have to be 10 people standing in my front yard. 2118 01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:16,030 I recognize them. They're my friends. 2119 01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:18,930 They said, "paul, we need you to tear up this letter. 2120 01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:21,150 "and we need you to get all the copies and tear them up, 2121 01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,120 "and resign quietly." 2122 01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,240 I said, "i don't do that." you know? 2123 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:26,770 "i'm sorry. I don't do that." 2124 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,540 I sent a copy to marty rathbun. 2125 01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:32,160 He put it on his blog, one page on a day, 2126 01:44:32,220 --> 01:44:35,330 And didn't reveal my name until the friday. 2127 01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:37,390 Monday morning, i woke up. 2128 01:44:37,420 --> 01:44:41,460 600 of the top newspapers of the world had it. 2129 01:44:41,480 --> 01:44:43,640 You know, it was in bulgaria. 2130 01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:47,600 i mean, it was reprinted in seven languages. 2131 01:44:47,630 --> 01:44:50,100 I went, "oh my god, what have i done?" 2132 01:44:50,130 --> 01:44:53,570 I mean-- it did garner a lot of interest. 2133 01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,190 People will judge you, one way or the other. 2134 01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,640 I figured people would judge me as really stupid. 2135 01:44:58,660 --> 01:45:00,980 But then, i was really stupid. 2136 01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:05,650 I was a part of this for 30 years before i spoke out. 2137 01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:09,330 I felt deeply ashamed. 2138 01:45:09,370 --> 01:45:13,290 Why didn't i do it earlier? Why didn't i look earlier? 2139 01:45:16,210 --> 01:45:19,460 People are so indoctrinated, 2140 01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:22,960 And have been in scientology a really long, long time. 2141 01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,970 Or they've grown up in it, and they don't know anything else. 2142 01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,970 It's so scary to them to have to start all over, 2143 01:45:31,010 --> 01:45:33,510 And it takes a really strong person 2144 01:45:33,530 --> 01:45:35,690 To stand up to them and say no. 2145 01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,350 In 2009, 2146 01:45:39,370 --> 01:45:43,030 My son was on staff at the church. 2147 01:45:43,070 --> 01:45:45,790 And "the truth rundown" came out in the "st. Pete times," 2148 01:45:45,820 --> 01:45:48,360 Exposing what was going on 2149 01:45:48,380 --> 01:45:52,380 With the beatings, people in the hole. 2150 01:45:52,410 --> 01:45:53,910 The church was very mad at my son, 2151 01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,750 Because he knew it was going to happen, 2152 01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,670 And he didn't tell them. 2153 01:45:57,700 --> 01:46:00,300 And he didn't tell them because he had a good friend 2154 01:46:00,340 --> 01:46:02,640 That became friends with mike rinder 2155 01:46:02,670 --> 01:46:04,560 And marty rathbun, 2156 01:46:04,590 --> 01:46:07,930 And he believed what they were saying in "the truth rundown." 2157 01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:12,350 The church was threatening, 2158 01:46:12,380 --> 01:46:15,180 That he was gonna get declared a suppressive person 2159 01:46:15,220 --> 01:46:18,600 If he didn't disconnect from his friend. 2160 01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:21,190 My son, he was raised a scientologist, 2161 01:46:21,220 --> 01:46:23,580 You know, and he'd been on staff. 2162 01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:25,440 He made 30 bucks a week. 2163 01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:27,280 He headed up their boy scout troop. 2164 01:46:27,330 --> 01:46:31,030 He was like this consummate youth of scientology. 2165 01:46:31,070 --> 01:46:35,120 The continental justice chief called him on the phone. 2166 01:46:35,170 --> 01:46:37,570 And it was after that the declare came down, 2167 01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:40,260 And he was just devastated. 2168 01:46:40,290 --> 01:46:44,180 The church told his friends everything they could find 2169 01:46:44,210 --> 01:46:48,300 In his pc folder to ruin his reputation. 2170 01:46:48,350 --> 01:46:51,050 I wrote this petition. 2171 01:46:51,090 --> 01:46:55,860 I tried to put in everything good that my son had done. 2172 01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:57,440 "dear sarah, thank you for the letter 2173 01:46:57,480 --> 01:47:00,560 "that you sent regarding the situation with nick lister. 2174 01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:05,600 "i cannot approve that you continue your connection with nick." 2175 01:47:05,620 --> 01:47:08,570 No one's gonna tell me when i can and can't speak to him. 2176 01:47:08,610 --> 01:47:11,710 No one, but me. 2177 01:47:11,740 --> 01:47:14,880 "your committee of evidence findings and recommendations 2178 01:47:14,910 --> 01:47:17,710 "recommended you be labeled suppressive, 2179 01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:20,500 "engaging in malicious rumor mongering 2180 01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:24,140 "to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers 2181 01:47:24,170 --> 01:47:27,470 "or the leading names of scientology." 2182 01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:29,640 My husband was charged with that one, 2183 01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:31,260 Because he was telling me 2184 01:47:31,290 --> 01:47:34,300 What he read on the internet about david miscavige. 2185 01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:36,680 They say, "don't go on the internet, don't read. 2186 01:47:36,730 --> 01:47:38,100 "don't go to these sites." 2187 01:47:38,130 --> 01:47:41,640 From the time that i got in, 2188 01:47:41,660 --> 01:47:45,360 For 30 years, i never read one critical thing about scientology. 2189 01:47:45,410 --> 01:47:48,080 When i finally decided to open my eyes and look, 2190 01:47:48,110 --> 01:47:50,360 I was shocked, just shocked. 2191 01:47:50,410 --> 01:47:52,480 But if you're a member of the church of scientology, 2192 01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:56,330 And someone in your family, or a friend, or your spouse, 2193 01:47:56,370 --> 01:47:59,920 Is skeptical or critical of the church of scientology, 2194 01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:03,040 You are supposed to disconnect yourself from that person... 2195 01:48:03,090 --> 01:48:06,680 Tommy davis, who was the spokesperson for the church, 2196 01:48:06,710 --> 01:48:10,720 He's being asked about the policy of disconnection. 2197 01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:13,380 Anything that's characterized as disconnection 2198 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,550 Or this kinda thing, it's just-- it's just not true. 2199 01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:18,140 There isn't... I confronted him about this. 2200 01:48:18,170 --> 01:48:21,190 And i said, "tommy, i don't need to search outside to ask for-- 2201 01:48:21,230 --> 01:48:23,530 "to check research and see if other-- 2202 01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,730 "this has happened to other people. This happened to my wife. 2203 01:48:25,780 --> 01:48:28,650 "you asked her and me to disconnect from her parents 2204 01:48:28,690 --> 01:48:31,120 "because of something trivial they did years ago." 2205 01:48:31,150 --> 01:48:33,120 My wife disconnected from me, 2206 01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:36,210 My daughter, my son, my brother, 2207 01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,210 My sister, my mother, 2208 01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,040 All of my nieces and nephews. 2209 01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,550 And that is the only family that i have. 2210 01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:44,720 You know, you label these people suppressive 2211 01:48:44,750 --> 01:48:46,830 So that, you know, everybody automatically-- 2212 01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:49,170 They're discredited, and they must disconnect from them. 2213 01:48:49,210 --> 01:48:51,640 And that's how you keep people in a bubble. 2214 01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,140 And that's what they do. I mean, my son was declared 2215 01:48:54,180 --> 01:48:55,590 Because he wouldn't disconnect from his friend. 2216 01:48:55,650 --> 01:48:57,650 I was declared, and my husband was declared 2217 01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,600 Because we wouldn't disconnect from my son. 2218 01:48:59,650 --> 01:49:01,350 And now guess what happened? 2219 01:49:01,380 --> 01:49:05,190 Everyone connected to us just scatters to the wind. 2220 01:49:05,220 --> 01:49:07,360 Through all of this time, 2221 01:49:07,390 --> 01:49:10,660 I have a daughter who's very much into the church. 2222 01:49:10,690 --> 01:49:13,730 I have a granddaughter 2223 01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,200 Who's the love of my life, and who loves her nana. 2224 01:49:17,230 --> 01:49:20,070 I was planning on talking to my daughter, 2225 01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:23,170 And trying to tell her what was really happening. 2226 01:49:23,210 --> 01:49:26,720 She hugged me, she told me she loved me. 2227 01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,810 She said, "i have to disconnect from you." 2228 01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:38,320 So, um... 2229 01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,860 I just was concentrating on smelling her hair 2230 01:49:47,900 --> 01:49:50,670 And seeing the way she felt, 2231 01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:53,330 Touching her skin on my face. 2232 01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,010 That's the last time i saw them. 2233 01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:05,680 It really is the crux 2234 01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,800 Of how controlling is any religion 2235 01:50:09,850 --> 01:50:12,140 Over its adherents, 2236 01:50:12,190 --> 01:50:15,060 And scientology has perfected 2237 01:50:15,090 --> 01:50:18,440 A lot of techniques of control. 2238 01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:22,100 There is no logical explanation 2239 01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:25,730 As to why, other than faith. 2240 01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:28,100 Your future, your eternity, 2241 01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:31,290 All depends on you going up the bridge. 2242 01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:35,330 It's scary. It's kinda like christianity with hell. 2243 01:50:35,380 --> 01:50:37,330 If they don't have the bridge, they can't go free. 2244 01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:41,280 They don't believe they can get it anywhere else. 2245 01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:43,330 It's like brainwashing. Really simple. 2246 01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:45,640 I mean, that's a scary word, 2247 01:50:45,670 --> 01:50:48,560 And it took me a long time 2248 01:50:48,590 --> 01:50:51,640 To come to that conclusion, that that's what's occurred. 2249 01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,150 You take on 2250 01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:57,630 A kind of a-- a matrix of thought 2251 01:50:57,650 --> 01:51:02,150 That is not your own. 2252 01:51:02,190 --> 01:51:05,140 I think that's how i and other people got involved 2253 01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,190 And stuck through it for so long. 2254 01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:09,280 Because when you're out, you look at it, 2255 01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:12,860 And you go, "what the crap was i thinking," you know? 2256 01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:14,670 It's such a hard thing when you do wake up. 2257 01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:16,580 You go, "oh my god." 2258 01:51:16,620 --> 01:51:19,090 Because you have this wave of regrets. 2259 01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:23,210 I just started to think that maybe my entire life 2260 01:51:23,260 --> 01:51:25,130 Has been a lie. 2261 01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,630 You just don't see it happening to you. 2262 01:51:27,660 --> 01:51:30,630 You justify so much. 2263 01:51:30,670 --> 01:51:34,500 Cults, they prey on people, suggesting that, you know, 2264 01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,440 You should be able to think for yourself 2265 01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:40,220 And then tell you exactly how you have to think, or get out. 2266 01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:43,900 And if you get out, there will be consequences. 2267 01:51:43,950 --> 01:51:45,650 Come on, marty. Got anything to say? 2268 01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:47,570 What's your name? Why don't you answer his question? 2269 01:51:47,620 --> 01:51:51,320 Beat it. I said get off my property, boy. 2270 01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:54,240 The real sustained campaign 2271 01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:56,520 Began in early 2009 2272 01:51:56,540 --> 01:52:00,240 When i spoke to the "st. Petersburg times." 2273 01:52:00,300 --> 01:52:03,460 And i'd been hounded and hunted like wild prey. 2274 01:52:03,500 --> 01:52:07,300 It's a policy of the office of special affairs 2275 01:52:07,340 --> 01:52:09,220 Authored by l. Ron hubbard. 2276 01:52:09,260 --> 01:52:11,260 When somebody's speaking out against scientology, 2277 01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:13,870 Investigate to find out who the instigator is. 2278 01:52:13,890 --> 01:52:15,590 I started getting calls from the church, 2279 01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:20,150 And they're-- they're really, uh, comin' after me. 2280 01:52:20,180 --> 01:52:22,150 They showed up at my mother's house. 2281 01:52:22,190 --> 01:52:24,070 The feeling in the pit of your stomach 2282 01:52:24,100 --> 01:52:26,220 Knowing that scientology's chief dirty-tricks pi 2283 01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:28,560 Was just on my mother's front step. 2284 01:52:28,580 --> 01:52:31,330 They've tried to destroy me, there's no question. 2285 01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,610 They create anonymous websites about me, 2286 01:52:33,660 --> 01:52:36,160 And smear me with a lot of garbage. 2287 01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,580 Www.Whoistomdevocht.Com. 2288 01:52:38,620 --> 01:52:40,400 Whoispaulhaggis.Com. 2289 01:52:40,420 --> 01:52:42,790 "paul haggis, the hypocrite of hollywood." 2290 01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,510 "this guy is a sex pervert," or "this guy's a drug dealer." 2291 01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:48,260 In the meantime, 2292 01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:52,300 Survey carefully to find out what he most values and protects. 2293 01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:54,520 Immediately draw up a three-prong program 2294 01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:57,250 To threaten it effectively. 2295 01:52:57,270 --> 01:53:01,610 I don't value anything more than monique. 2296 01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,610 That's why this campaign ended up on our doorstep. 2297 01:53:05,650 --> 01:53:07,450 Was she there? 2298 01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:11,450 I knew they had their goons around. 2299 01:53:11,480 --> 01:53:16,540 And then the guy rolls down in window and i saw the truck. 2300 01:53:16,570 --> 01:53:18,910 And he starts filming, and i go, 2301 01:53:18,940 --> 01:53:21,110 "okay, this is not good." 2302 01:53:21,130 --> 01:53:22,610 What's goin' on? 2303 01:53:22,630 --> 01:53:24,500 Oh, we're just doing a documentary. 2304 01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:25,750 A documentary? 2305 01:53:25,780 --> 01:53:28,000 Oh, a former scientology deal. 2306 01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:30,170 But it would probably be a good idea if y'all went ahead-- 2307 01:53:30,220 --> 01:53:31,720 Now that you've gotten what you need, 2308 01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:33,300 Go ahead and leave the area. Sure. 2309 01:53:33,340 --> 01:53:35,060 Okay? 2310 01:53:35,090 --> 01:53:36,290 I don't know who these people are. 2311 01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:38,290 I don't know what they're capable of. 2312 01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:41,630 And now that i have my son... 2313 01:53:41,650 --> 01:53:45,850 I have a little louisville slugger i keep next to me. 2314 01:53:45,900 --> 01:53:50,270 It's been a nonstop onslaught, for five years. 2315 01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,770 I told you to leave. Get out of here. 2316 01:53:51,810 --> 01:53:53,320 Oh no, i'm leaving. 2317 01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,780 You can't even defend yourself on this can you? 2318 01:53:54,810 --> 01:53:56,310 What's your name? 2319 01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:57,780 I gave you my name, marty. What's your name? 2320 01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:59,500 Marty, i gave you my name. 2321 01:53:59,530 --> 01:54:02,620 The people on marty's doorstep were sent by scientology 2322 01:54:02,650 --> 01:54:05,150 Because the church had branded marty a "squirrel," 2323 01:54:05,170 --> 01:54:07,670 A term invented by hubbard for former members 2324 01:54:07,710 --> 01:54:09,490 Who threatened church teachings. 2325 01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:11,160 David miscavige had you come all the way from... 2326 01:54:11,180 --> 01:54:12,460 Marty. ...San jose. 2327 01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,300 Marty! Man #2: You can't do that. 2328 01:54:15,330 --> 01:54:16,710 You can't do that, marty! I just did it. 2329 01:54:16,770 --> 01:54:17,830 No, that's my personal property, marty. 2330 01:54:17,850 --> 01:54:19,680 Yeah, that's right. 2331 01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:21,520 I got arrested, man. 2332 01:54:21,550 --> 01:54:24,360 I got arrested for grabbing this guy's glasses. 2333 01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:26,170 I said, "don't look at her." you understand that? 2334 01:54:26,190 --> 01:54:28,230 Yeah. I heard her. 2335 01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,730 Of course, the guy had been stalking monique for two years. 2336 01:54:30,780 --> 01:54:32,980 He looks like a leering pervert, 2337 01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:35,650 Like norman bates from "psycho." 2338 01:54:35,690 --> 01:54:38,450 I didn't break his glasses. 2339 01:54:38,490 --> 01:54:42,290 I just removed them from his-- from his face. 2340 01:54:46,380 --> 01:54:50,130 They got it all on videotape from their surveillance house 2341 01:54:50,170 --> 01:54:53,050 That was filming 24/7, 365, 2342 01:54:53,090 --> 01:54:55,840 For five years, across the street from us. 2343 01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:03,440 This lawsuit with monique rathbun-- 2344 01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:05,810 It's a brilliant legal strategy. 2345 01:55:05,850 --> 01:55:07,880 If marty sues, the church just says, 2346 01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:09,270 "this is a first amendment fight. 2347 01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:10,740 "this should not be in a court of law." 2348 01:55:10,770 --> 01:55:12,320 But monique was never in scientology. 2349 01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:17,110 She's suing david miscavige and asking to depose him. 2350 01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:20,330 And scientology will do anything to keep him out of that situation. 2351 01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:22,080 And the point is, judge, 2352 01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:24,280 If you let me make my presentation, 2353 01:55:24,330 --> 01:55:26,170 On first amendment law 2354 01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:28,740 That comes from the united states supreme court... 2355 01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:30,540 For every court date, 2356 01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:33,370 The church hires a bevy of high-priced lawyers. 2357 01:55:33,410 --> 01:55:36,380 They are determined to use every legal trick in the book 2358 01:55:36,410 --> 01:55:38,630 To keep miscavige from having to testify 2359 01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,300 About church abuses or whether the religion of scientology 2360 01:55:42,350 --> 01:55:44,550 Is actually operated like a business, 2361 01:55:44,590 --> 01:55:48,470 Controlled by the whims of a single individual. 2362 01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:53,280 In 2014, miscavige celebrated 2363 01:55:53,310 --> 01:55:55,450 The ongoing expansion of the church, 2364 01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,700 But he was hiding a terrible secret. 2365 01:55:57,730 --> 01:55:59,270 Good evening! 2366 01:55:59,290 --> 01:56:01,320 The church's active membership has dropped 2367 01:56:01,370 --> 01:56:03,070 To fewer than 50,000 people, 2368 01:56:03,110 --> 01:56:07,270 Yet the financial value of scientology is soaring. 2369 01:56:07,290 --> 01:56:09,130 How about we just say, 2370 01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:14,170 2013 is the year we went stratospheric? 2371 01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:19,170 The church is making investments 2372 01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:21,170 And buying valuable real estate all over the world. 2373 01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:25,140 That financial clout gives scientology enormous power. 2374 01:56:25,180 --> 01:56:27,460 It's a kind of tax-free shell company 2375 01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:32,350 Growing past $3 billion in assets. 2376 01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:42,810 The church now no longer has a public face. 2377 01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:45,110 There's no spokespeople, 2378 01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:47,280 They don't do media interviews, 2379 01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:50,030 And that suits miscavige. 2380 01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:52,290 There is nobody that he is willing 2381 01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,160 To have be the face of scientology other than himself, 2382 01:56:55,170 --> 01:56:58,680 But he's afraid to be interviewed by anybody 2383 01:56:58,710 --> 01:57:01,380 For fear that they're gonna ask him questions 2384 01:57:01,430 --> 01:57:03,800 That he can't answer, or doesn't want to answer. 2385 01:57:05,670 --> 01:57:08,220 Where are the checks and balances on his power? 2386 01:57:08,270 --> 01:57:09,550 There is none. 2387 01:57:09,610 --> 01:57:11,340 So there are two things that could happen. 2388 01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:15,390 One is, the irs would reconsider its tax exemption. 2389 01:57:15,450 --> 01:57:19,730 The only other thing is that some of these celebrity megaphones 2390 01:57:19,780 --> 01:57:21,980 Could turn against the church. 2391 01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:25,320 And tom cruise should be leading that chorus. 2392 01:57:29,290 --> 01:57:32,290 Is there anything that you look back on, 2393 01:57:32,330 --> 01:57:34,700 In terms of your own career in the church, 2394 01:57:34,710 --> 01:57:37,530 And think, "wow, i wish i hadn't done that?" 2395 01:57:37,550 --> 01:57:40,720 You know, we talked about karma earlier. 2396 01:57:40,750 --> 01:57:45,340 And, you know, it still happens that it's like it's just this-- 2397 01:57:45,370 --> 01:57:49,380 I constantly get presented with who i was, 2398 01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:52,100 And, you know, and i constantly don't like what i see, 2399 01:57:52,150 --> 01:57:54,680 And i sort of constantly keep dying deaths. 2400 01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:56,600 Um, and-- 2401 01:57:58,550 --> 01:58:00,720 I don't know how many more deaths i have left, 2402 01:58:00,740 --> 01:58:03,560 But i-- but i-- 2403 01:58:03,580 --> 01:58:06,490 But i regret 2404 01:58:06,530 --> 01:58:09,910 And i'm ashamed of, uh... 2405 01:58:11,330 --> 01:58:14,200 The entire experience, you know? 2406 01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,420 What i take away from it is that we-- 2407 01:58:16,460 --> 01:58:19,370 We lock up a portion of our own mind. 2408 01:58:19,410 --> 01:58:23,680 We-- we willingly put cuffs on. 2409 01:58:23,710 --> 01:58:27,260 We willingly avoid things 2410 01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:30,270 That will-- could cause us pain, 2411 01:58:30,300 --> 01:58:33,050 If we just-- if we looked. 2412 01:58:33,110 --> 01:58:35,470 If we can just believe something, 2413 01:58:35,530 --> 01:58:38,110 Then we don't have to really think for ourselves, do we? 2414 01:58:38,140 --> 01:58:41,600 And so i can't damn these people who aren't coming out, 2415 01:58:41,610 --> 01:58:45,780 Or who are hiding once they come out because they're ashamed. 2416 01:58:45,820 --> 01:58:47,790 You know, i-- 2417 01:58:47,820 --> 01:58:50,740 I-- i feel the same shame. 2418 01:58:50,770 --> 01:58:54,160 And i just-- i'm fighting back 2419 01:58:54,210 --> 01:58:58,580 By communicating, you know? It's a peaceful protest. 2420 01:58:58,610 --> 01:59:02,500 I want the truth to be known, 2421 01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:04,500 And... 2422 01:59:06,340 --> 01:59:07,760 Thank you. 2423 01:59:07,790 --> 01:59:09,490 You're welcome.