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Every second bastard born
is fathered by a priest.

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But in Utopia that couldn't be.

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For why?

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For there the priests
are very holy.

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Therefore very few.

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Is it anything
interesting, Matthew?

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- Bless you, sir. I don't know.
- Bless you too, Matthew.

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To be sure, we have some
holy priests in England.

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- Oh, name some.
- Brother James.

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Man's a simpleton.

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It's from Cardinal Wolsey.

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What's he want?

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- Me.
- When?

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Now.

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In Hampton Court? You won't
be there by midnight.

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- The King's business.
- Queen's business.

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Mistress Anne Boleyn's business.

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Well, it's all the
Cardinal's business.

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That's very true. And
when the Cardinal

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calls, you all come
running, day or night.

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What is the man? A butcher's son.

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Chancellor of England, too.

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No, that's his office.
What's the man?

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Surely, Your Grace, when a man
rises so high and so swiftly...

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we must think he was
misplaced in his origins.

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That, at least, was the
opinion of Aristotle and...

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A butcher's son and looks it.

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His looks, yes, I
give you his looks.

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What was that you said, Richard?

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Nothing, Sir Thomas,
it was out of place.

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And Wolsey's still a butcher.

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And you're a member of the King's
High Council, not an errand boy.

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That is why I must go.

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The Duke would go if the
Cardinal called him.

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I might.

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I'll be back for breakfast.

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Go to bed.

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"Dear Lord, give us rest tonight,

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or if we must be
wakeful, cheerful.

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"Careful only for our soul's

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salvation. For
Christ's sake. Amen."

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And bless our lord, the King.

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- "And bless our lord, the King."
- Amen.

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Excuse me, gentlemen.
Goodnight, Your Grace.

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Keep clear of Wolsey, Thomas.
He's a frightened man.

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- Who is that?
- A young friend from Cambridge.

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What's he want?

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What do they all want? A position.

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- Can you give him a position?
- Do you recommend him?

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No.

51
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- Sir Thomas.
- No.

52
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- Did you recommend me?
- No.

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Richard, I may have
a position for you.

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- What? What position?
- Not now, Richard. Tomorrow.

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For you all, boatman.

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Thank you, sir.

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Sir Thomas is here,
Your Grace. Sir Thomas.

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Master Cromwell.

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You opposed me in the Council
this morning, Thomas.

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Yes, Your Grace.

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- You were the only one.
- Yes, Your Grace.

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You're a fool.

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Thank God there is only
one fool on the Council.

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Why did you oppose me?

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I thought Your Grace was wrong.

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A matter of conscience.

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You're a constant
regret to me, Thomas.

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If you could just see
facts flat on...

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without that horrible
moral squint.

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With a little common sense, you
could have made a statesman.

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The King.

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Where's he been? Do you know?

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I, Your Grace?

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Spare me your discretion.

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He's been to play
in the muck again.

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He's been to Mistress Anne Boleyn.

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More, are you going to help me?

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If Your Grace will be specific.

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You're a plodder. All
right, we'll plod.

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The King wants a son. What are
you going to do about it?

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I'm very sure the
King needs no advice

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from me on what to do about it.

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Thomas, we're alone. I give you
my word, there's no one here.

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I didn't suppose there
was, Your Grace.

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Do you favour a
change of dynasty? Do

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you think two Tudors
are sufficient?

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For God's sake, Your Grace.

88
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Then he needs a son. I repeat,
what are you going to do about it?

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I pray for it daily.

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God's death, he means it.

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That thing out there,
at least she's fertile.

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- But she's not his wife.
- No, Catherine's his wife...

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and she's barren as a brick. Are
you going to pray for a miracle?

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There are precedents.

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All right. Good.
Pray by all means.

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But in addition to
prayer there is effort.

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And my effort is to
secure a divorce.

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Have I your support,
or have I not?

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The Pope gave a dispensation,
so that the King might marry...

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his brother's widow
for state reasons.

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We are to ask the
Pope to dispense with

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his dispensation, also
for state reasons?

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I don't like plodding,
Thomas. Well?

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Then, clearly all
we have to do is to

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approach His Holiness and ask him.

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I think we might influence the
decision of His Holiness.

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By argument?

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Argument certainly. And pressure.

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Pressure, applied
to the Church? The

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Church has its church property.

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Pressure.

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No, Your Grace, I'm not
going to help you.

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Then goodnight, Master More.

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Let the dynasty die
with Henry VIII

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and we'll have
dynastic wars again.

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Blood-witted barons ramping
the country from end to end.

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Is that what you want? Very well.

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England needs an heir.

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Certain measures,
perhaps regrettable...

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perhaps not, there's
much in the Church

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which needs reformation, Thomas.

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All right, regrettable. But
necessary to get us an heir.

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00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:26,968
Now, explain how you,
as a councillor of

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England, can obstruct
these measures...

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for the sake of your own
private conscience.

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I think that when
statesmen forsake

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their own private conscience...

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for the sake of their
public duties...

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they lead their country by
a short route to chaos.

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And we shall have my
prayers to fall back on.

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You'd like that, wouldn't you? To
govern the country with prayers?

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Yes, I should.

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I'd like to be there when you try.

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Who will wear this after me?

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00:15:06,532 --> 00:15:10,953
Who's our next chancellor?
You? Fisher? Suffolk?

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- Fisher for me.
- Aye, but for the King?

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00:15:13,997 --> 00:15:17,208
What about my secretary,
Master Cromwell?

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Cromwell. He's a very able man.

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But?

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Me rather than Cromwell.

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00:15:28,052 --> 00:15:30,054
Then, come down to earth.

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Until you do...

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you and I are enemies.

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As Your Grace wishes.

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As God wills.

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Perhaps, Your Grace.

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More. You should
have been a cleric.

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Like yourself, Your Grace?

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Goodnight, Sir Thomas.

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Sir Thomas.

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Sir Thomas.

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Sir Thomas.

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00:16:26,464 --> 00:16:27,464
What's this?

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From some grateful poor
folk, in Leicester.

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Leicester?

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00:16:31,469 --> 00:16:33,908
You do more good
than you know, sir.

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My daughter has a case, sir, in
the Court of Poor Man's Causes.

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Baked apples, sir.

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To sweeten my judgement.

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I'll give your daughter the same
judgement I would give my own.

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A fair one, quickly.

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Bless you, sir.

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I understand. Yes. I'll
read it. Yes. Thank you.

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Good evening, Sir Thomas.

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- I'll read it.
- It's an awkward case.

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- I could illuminate it for you...
- I'll read it.

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Just a moment or two...

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Boat.

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Sir?

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Chelsea, sir?

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Chelsea.

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00:17:42,516 --> 00:17:44,918
I expect you'll make it
worth my while, sir.

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You've got a licence?

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Bless you, yes sir,
I've got a licence.

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00:17:48,522 --> 00:17:51,108
- Well then, the fares are fixed.
- They are, sir.

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Hampton to Chelsea downstream,
a penny halfpenny.

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00:17:53,944 --> 00:17:56,096
Chelsea to Hampton upstream,
a penny halfpenny.

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Whoever makes the regulations
doesn't row a boat.

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No. Three pence if you get
me home for breakfast.

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Thank you, sir.

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A nice cup, sir.

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Yes.

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That's worth money, sir.

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Mind a way, sir.

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Thank you, sir.

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- Have you been here all night?
- Yes.

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00:19:53,685 --> 00:19:56,020
You said there was a post?

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00:19:56,646 --> 00:20:02,068
Yes. I'll offer you a post, with a
house, a servant and £50 a year.

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What post?

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At the new school.

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A teacher.

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00:20:10,952 --> 00:20:14,038
Richard, no one's going to
give you a place at court.

193
00:20:15,749 --> 00:20:18,251
Master Cromwell says he'll
do something for me.

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00:20:19,961 --> 00:20:21,004
Cromwell?

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00:20:22,380 --> 00:20:25,008
Well, if you know Cromwell
you don't need my help.

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00:20:26,467 --> 00:20:27,634
Sir Thomas?

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00:20:30,262 --> 00:20:34,183
If only you knew how much, much
rather, I had your help than his.

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Not to a place at court.

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00:20:38,937 --> 00:20:40,022
Why not?

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00:20:42,483 --> 00:20:43,483
Look.

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- What is it?
- It's a bribe.

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00:20:50,282 --> 00:20:53,410
"I am the gift of Averil Machin."

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00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:58,082
And Averil Machin has a lawsuit
in the Court of Requests.

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00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:03,711
Italian silver. Take it. No joke.

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00:21:06,339 --> 00:21:07,465
Thank you.

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00:21:10,593 --> 00:21:12,095
What will you do with it?

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00:21:12,637 --> 00:21:13,637
Sell it.

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00:21:13,638 --> 00:21:15,973
- And buy what?
- A decent gown.

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00:21:17,183 --> 00:21:19,393
But Richard, that's
a little bribe.

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00:21:20,144 --> 00:21:22,671
At court they offer
you all sorts of

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00:21:22,672 --> 00:21:25,608
things, home, manor
houses, coats of arms.

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00:21:26,317 --> 00:21:28,861
A man should go where
he won't be tempted.

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00:21:29,904 --> 00:21:34,741
Why not be a teacher? You'd be a
fine teacher. Perhaps a great one.

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00:21:35,867 --> 00:21:40,414
- If I was, who would know it?
- You. Your pupils. Your friends.

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God. Not a bad public, that.

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And a quiet life.

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00:21:49,798 --> 00:21:52,701
You say that. You come from
talking with the Cardinal.

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Yes, talking with the Cardinal.

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00:21:56,471 --> 00:21:59,958
It's eating your heart out, isn't
it? The high affairs of state.

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The divorce?

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Boatman.

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00:22:04,229 --> 00:22:05,229
Sir?

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Take this gentleman
to the New Inn.

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Right, sir.

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Sir Thomas?

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Thank you.

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Be a teacher.

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- Matthew.
- Sir.

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- Lady Alice in bed?
- Yes, sir.

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- Lady Margaret?
- No, sir.

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The Master Roper's here, sir.

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At this hour? Who let him in?

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He's a hard man to keep out, sir.

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Will wants to marry me, Father.

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00:23:03,828 --> 00:23:05,538
Well, he can't marry you.

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Sir Thomas, I'm called to the Bar.

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Oh, congratulations, Roper.

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My family may not be at the
palace, but in the city...

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00:23:14,756 --> 00:23:17,008
There's nothing wrong
with your family, Will.

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There's not much wrong with you.

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00:23:22,096 --> 00:23:24,181
Except you seem to need a clock.

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00:23:24,848 --> 00:23:26,558
I can buy a clock, sir.

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00:23:26,809 --> 00:23:28,335
Roper, the answer is no...

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00:23:28,435 --> 00:23:31,005
and will be no as long
as you're a heretic.

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00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:33,340
Now, that's a word I
don't like, Sir Thomas.

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00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,384
It's not a likeable word or thing.

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00:23:35,484 --> 00:23:37,421
The Church is
heretical. Dr Luther's

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proved that to my satisfaction.

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Luther is an excommunicate.

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From a heretic Church.
Church? It's a shop.

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Salvation by the
shilling. And divorces.

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Will, no.

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- What I know, I'll say.
- You've no sense of the place.

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He's no sense of the time.

255
00:23:54,460 --> 00:23:56,087
Now listen well.

256
00:23:56,462 --> 00:23:58,990
Two years ago you were a
passionate churchman.

257
00:23:59,090 --> 00:24:01,034
Now you're a passionate Lutheran.

258
00:24:01,134 --> 00:24:04,162
We must just pray that when
your head's finished turning...

259
00:24:04,262 --> 00:24:06,472
your face is to the front again.

260
00:24:08,516 --> 00:24:11,144
- Is your horse here?
- No, sir, I walked.

261
00:24:12,145 --> 00:24:14,897
Well, take a horse from the
stables and get back home.

262
00:24:16,816 --> 00:24:17,859
Go along.

263
00:24:19,485 --> 00:24:20,903
May I come again?

264
00:24:23,239 --> 00:24:25,199
Yes. Soon.

265
00:24:30,746 --> 00:24:32,372
Is that final, Father?

266
00:24:32,622 --> 00:24:35,459
As long as he's a heretic,
Meg, that's absolute.

267
00:24:39,379 --> 00:24:41,131
What did Wolsey want?

268
00:24:44,384 --> 00:24:45,969
Nice boy, young Will.

269
00:24:48,305 --> 00:24:50,724
Terribly strong
principles, though.

270
00:24:51,808 --> 00:24:53,310
Clumsy, too.

271
00:24:54,102 --> 00:24:56,938
- You're very pensive.
- You're very gay.

272
00:24:57,522 --> 00:24:59,024
Was it the divorce?

273
00:25:00,691 --> 00:25:01,734
To bed.

274
00:25:02,651 --> 00:25:04,956
They're a cantankerous
lot, the Ropers.

275
00:25:04,957 --> 00:25:07,031
Always swimming
against the stream.

276
00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:09,408
Old Roper was just the same...

277
00:25:10,951 --> 00:25:13,037
You don't want to talk about it.

278
00:25:13,954 --> 00:25:14,954
No.

279
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:21,973
I'm sorry you were
awakened, chick.

280
00:25:21,974 --> 00:25:23,756
I wasn't sleeping very deeply.

281
00:25:24,215 --> 00:25:25,800
What did Wolsey want?

282
00:25:27,968 --> 00:25:30,596
- Will Roper's been.
- Will Roper?

283
00:25:30,846 --> 00:25:33,708
Yes, he's been here all
night. He wants to marry Meg.

284
00:25:33,808 --> 00:25:35,715
Why you don't beat that girl I...

285
00:25:35,716 --> 00:25:36,716
No.

286
00:25:36,893 --> 00:25:40,522
She's full of education and
it's a delicate commodity.

287
00:25:41,231 --> 00:25:42,524
Goodnight, Meg.

288
00:25:42,816 --> 00:25:43,942
Goodnight.

289
00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:50,932
Marry Meg. A lawyer's son.

290
00:25:51,032 --> 00:25:52,867
Well, she's a lawyer's daughter.

291
00:25:56,287 --> 00:25:58,766
Norfolk spoke of
you for Chancellor

292
00:25:58,767 --> 00:26:00,625
of England before he left.

293
00:26:01,501 --> 00:26:03,420
Well, he's a dangerous
friend then.

294
00:26:04,504 --> 00:26:06,673
Wolsey's chancellor, God help him.

295
00:26:06,965 --> 00:26:09,117
But Norfolk said, if
Wolsey fell, you...

296
00:26:09,217 --> 00:26:13,178
If Wolsey fell, the splash would
swamp a few small boats like ours.

297
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:14,722
No.

298
00:26:15,305 --> 00:26:18,308
There'll be no new chancellors
while Wolsey lives.

299
00:27:08,483 --> 00:27:11,194
The Duke of Norfolk,
Earl Marshal of England.

300
00:27:25,874 --> 00:27:28,210
Have you any message
for His Majesty?

301
00:27:30,670 --> 00:27:32,297
If I had served God...

302
00:27:32,714 --> 00:27:35,467
one half so well as
I've served my King...

303
00:27:36,676 --> 00:27:40,931
God would not have left me
here, to die in this place.

304
00:27:42,724 --> 00:27:44,845
Thank God you're
dying here. The King

305
00:27:44,846 --> 00:27:46,686
would have you die in the Tower.

306
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,004
"I am straightly charged
by the King himself...

307
00:28:14,797 --> 00:28:18,426
"here openly to declare
how much all England...

308
00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:20,720
"is beholden to this man.

309
00:28:21,137 --> 00:28:25,975
"And how worthy he is to have
the highest room in the realm.

310
00:28:26,475 --> 00:28:30,478
"And how dearly the King's grace
doth love and trust him...

311
00:28:31,438 --> 00:28:33,773
"not only for much good council...

312
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:37,819
"deliberate council, but
for better council yet...

313
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:41,281
"that which is privy
to the King's person.

314
00:28:42,449 --> 00:28:44,534
"This same, Sir Thomas More...

315
00:28:44,826 --> 00:28:47,579
"here made before you all to be...

316
00:28:48,163 --> 00:28:50,957
"Lord Chancellor of the Realm."

317
00:30:30,554 --> 00:30:32,080
Calm yourself, Matthew.

318
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:33,849
Fetch Lady Alice.

319
00:30:46,235 --> 00:30:47,945
That's very well.

320
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:54,285
My lady. The King.

321
00:31:59,681 --> 00:32:01,834
Now remember, the
visit's a surprise.

322
00:32:01,934 --> 00:32:03,794
But he'll know we're
expecting him...

323
00:32:03,894 --> 00:32:06,630
It's a very great honour. One
friend calling on another.

324
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:08,382
What's he really coming for?

325
00:32:08,482 --> 00:32:10,843
To talk about the divorce.
He wants an answer.

326
00:32:10,943 --> 00:32:13,387
- But he's had his answer.
- He wants another.

327
00:32:13,487 --> 00:32:14,488
Thomas.

328
00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:23,900
Your Majesty does my
house more honour

329
00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:25,774
than I fear my
household will bear.

330
00:32:25,874 --> 00:32:28,084
No ceremony Thomas, no ceremony.

331
00:32:28,209 --> 00:32:30,778
A passing fancy. I happened
to be on the river.

332
00:32:30,878 --> 00:32:32,213
Look. Mud.

333
00:32:36,217 --> 00:32:39,220
By heaven, what an evening.

334
00:32:40,179 --> 00:32:43,082
Lady Alice, I fear we came
upon you unexpectedly.

335
00:32:43,182 --> 00:32:45,768
Yes, Your Grace. Well,
no, Your Grace.

336
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:48,296
Well, that is, we are
ready to entertain...

337
00:32:48,396 --> 00:32:50,815
This is my daughter
Margaret, sire.

338
00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:55,403
She's not yet had the
honour to meet Your Grace.

339
00:32:55,611 --> 00:32:58,740
Why Margaret, they told
me you were a scholar.

340
00:32:59,532 --> 00:33:01,241
Answer, Margaret.

341
00:33:01,450 --> 00:33:04,202
Among women, I pass
for one, Your Grace.

342
00:33:06,318 --> 00:33:10,318
Is your Latin the old
Latin, or Oxford Latin?

343
00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:13,364
My father’s Latin, Sire.

344
00:33:14,719 --> 00:33:21,119
Good. That is the best. And
has he taught you Greek too?

345
00:33:22,083 --> 00:33:24,472
Not my father, Sire,
but my father’s

346
00:33:24,474 --> 00:33:27,053
friend, John Colet, Dean of St.
Paul’s.

347
00:33:27,055 --> 00:33:30,042
But it is with the Greek as
it is with the Latin; the

348
00:33:30,044 --> 00:33:33,085
skill of the master is lost
in the pupil’s lack of it.

349
00:33:35,233 --> 00:33:36,984
Can you dance, too?

350
00:33:37,693 --> 00:33:39,278
Not well, Your Grace.

351
00:33:41,405 --> 00:33:43,574
Well, I dance superlatively.

352
00:33:44,492 --> 00:33:46,911
That's a dancer's leg, Margaret.

353
00:34:00,007 --> 00:34:02,243
Lady Alice, the river's
given me an appetite.

354
00:34:02,343 --> 00:34:05,496
If Your Grace would share
a very simple supper.

355
00:34:05,596 --> 00:34:07,665
It would please me. Lead them in.

356
00:34:07,765 --> 00:34:09,208
Thomas and I will follow.

357
00:34:09,308 --> 00:34:10,683
Matthew.

358
00:34:11,101 --> 00:34:13,395
My lords and gentlemen.

359
00:34:19,025 --> 00:34:20,318
Margaret?

360
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:21,970
Your Grace?

361
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:23,696
Do you like music?

362
00:34:23,822 --> 00:34:25,407
Yes, Your Grace.

363
00:34:25,907 --> 00:34:27,742
They'll play to you.

364
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,892
Now, listen to this.

365
00:34:56,645 --> 00:34:57,980
Sit down.

366
00:34:59,773 --> 00:35:02,067
Be seated. No courtship, Thomas.

367
00:35:06,447 --> 00:35:08,741
You're my friend, are you not?

368
00:35:09,283 --> 00:35:10,309
Your Majesty.

369
00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:12,937
Thank God I have a friend
for my chancellor.

370
00:35:13,037 --> 00:35:16,065
Readier to befriend, I trust,
than he was to be chancellor.

371
00:35:16,165 --> 00:35:18,359
My own knowledge of
my poor abilities...

372
00:35:18,459 --> 00:35:20,752
I will judge of your abilities.

373
00:35:21,669 --> 00:35:22,712
Thomas?

374
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,760
You know that Wolsey named
you for chancellor?

375
00:35:29,844 --> 00:35:34,057
Before he died, Wolsey named
you, and Wolsey was no fool.

376
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,269
He was a statesman of
incomparable ability, Your Grace.

377
00:35:40,563 --> 00:35:41,814
Was he?

378
00:35:43,232 --> 00:35:44,609
Was he so?

379
00:35:45,693 --> 00:35:47,737
Then, why did he fail me?

380
00:35:50,364 --> 00:35:52,200
It was villainy then.

381
00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:55,185
Yes, villainy. Secret
opposition, secret.

382
00:35:55,285 --> 00:35:58,689
But deliberate, wilful,
meditated opposition.

383
00:35:58,789 --> 00:36:01,316
Wanted to be pope to
master me, Wolsey.

384
00:36:01,416 --> 00:36:02,901
What is it? Thought.

385
00:36:03,001 --> 00:36:05,348
Because I'm simple
and plain and deal

386
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:07,447
with every man straightforwardly.

387
00:36:07,547 --> 00:36:11,468
Because of that I say, do
they take me for a simpleton?

388
00:36:16,431 --> 00:36:21,228
Wolsey was a proud man, Thomas.

389
00:36:22,312 --> 00:36:23,897
Pride right through.

390
00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:25,565
And he failed me.

391
00:36:26,733 --> 00:36:30,069
Failed me in the one thing
that matters, then as now.

392
00:36:33,864 --> 00:36:34,990
But look.

393
00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:37,118
Be seated.

394
00:36:42,498 --> 00:36:43,874
What an evening.

395
00:36:45,084 --> 00:36:47,211
A man could fight a lion.

396
00:36:47,628 --> 00:36:49,755
Some men could, Your Grace.

397
00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:52,258
Thomas...

398
00:36:53,384 --> 00:36:56,053
touching this matter
of my divorce.

399
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:58,706
Have you thought of it
since we last spoke?

400
00:36:58,806 --> 00:36:59,874
Of little else.

401
00:36:59,974 --> 00:37:01,833
Then you see your way clear to me?

402
00:37:01,933 --> 00:37:04,811
That you should put away
Queen Catherine, sire?

403
00:37:05,061 --> 00:37:07,130
Alas, as I think of it,
I see so clearly...

404
00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:10,342
that I cannot come with Your
Grace, that my endeavour is...

405
00:37:10,442 --> 00:37:11,801
not to think of it at all.

406
00:37:11,901 --> 00:37:14,320
Then you haven't thought enough.

407
00:37:21,494 --> 00:37:22,704
Lilac.

408
00:37:24,247 --> 00:37:25,957
We have them at Hampton.

409
00:37:26,875 --> 00:37:28,710
Not so fine as this, though.

410
00:37:31,046 --> 00:37:33,590
I'm in an excellent frame of mind.

411
00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:42,039
Thomas, you must consider, I
stand in peril of my soul.

412
00:37:42,139 --> 00:37:43,640
It was no marriage.

413
00:37:44,183 --> 00:37:47,352
I have lived in incest
with my brother's widow.

414
00:37:48,312 --> 00:37:50,999
Leviticus: "Thou shalt
not uncover the

415
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,342
nakedness of thy brother's wife."

416
00:37:53,442 --> 00:37:55,761
Leviticus. Chapter 18, verse 16.

417
00:37:55,861 --> 00:37:57,721
Yes, Your Grace.
But Deuteronomy...

418
00:37:57,821 --> 00:37:59,807
Deuteronomy is ambiguous.

419
00:37:59,907 --> 00:38:02,559
Your Grace, I'm not fitted
to meddle in these matters.

420
00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,770
To me, it seems a matter
for the Holy See...

421
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:08,624
Thomas, does a man need a pope
to tell him where he's sinned?

422
00:38:10,291 --> 00:38:11,793
It was a sin.

423
00:38:12,627 --> 00:38:14,379
God's punished me.

424
00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:16,839
I've no son.

425
00:38:18,299 --> 00:38:20,118
Son after son she's borne me.

426
00:38:20,218 --> 00:38:23,221
All dead at birth, or
dead within the month.

427
00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:26,082
I never saw the hand of
God so clear in anything.

428
00:38:26,182 --> 00:38:28,334
It's my bounden duty
to put away the Queen.

429
00:38:28,434 --> 00:38:30,399
And all the popes,
back to Peter, shall

430
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,021
not come between me and my duty.

431
00:38:34,565 --> 00:38:37,051
How is it that you cannot
see? Everyone else does.

432
00:38:37,151 --> 00:38:40,279
Then, why does Your Grace
need my poor support?

433
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:42,198
Because you're honest.

434
00:38:42,699 --> 00:38:45,517
And what is more to the purpose,
you're known to be honest.

435
00:38:45,617 --> 00:38:48,145
Those like Norfolk follow me
because I wear the crown.

436
00:38:48,245 --> 00:38:49,895
Those like Cromwell follow because

437
00:38:49,896 --> 00:38:51,690
they're jackals
with sharp teeth...

438
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:53,984
and I'm their tiger.
A mass follows me...

439
00:38:54,084 --> 00:38:56,044
because it follows
anything that moves.

440
00:38:58,588 --> 00:38:59,840
And then there's you.

441
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,470
I am sick to think how much I
must displease Your Grace.

442
00:39:06,096 --> 00:39:09,808
No, Thomas, I respect
your sincerity.

443
00:39:13,145 --> 00:39:14,771
But respect...

444
00:39:15,397 --> 00:39:18,191
man, that's water in the desert.

445
00:39:23,738 --> 00:39:25,139
How'd you like our music?

446
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,350
That air they played,
it had a certain...

447
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:29,936
Well, tell me what
you thought of it.

448
00:39:30,036 --> 00:39:32,288
Could it have been
Your Grace's own?

449
00:39:32,663 --> 00:39:33,831
Discovered.

450
00:39:34,665 --> 00:39:37,610
Now I'll never know your true
opinion, and that's irksome.

451
00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:41,172
Well, we artists, we love praise,
yet we love truth better.

452
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:43,151
Then I will tell my true opinion.

453
00:39:43,152 --> 00:39:44,152
Well?

454
00:39:44,153 --> 00:39:47,053
To me it seemed delightful.

455
00:39:48,971 --> 00:39:53,166
Thomas, I chose the right
man for chancellor.

456
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,539
I should in fairness
add that my taste

457
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:57,520
in music is reputedly deplorable.

458
00:39:58,354 --> 00:40:00,590
Your taste in music is excellent.

459
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:02,901
It exactly coincides with my own.

460
00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:08,531
Music.

461
00:40:10,116 --> 00:40:11,409
Music.

462
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,590
Send them back without
me, Thomas. I'll

463
00:40:14,591 --> 00:40:16,606
live here in Chelsea
and make music.

464
00:40:16,706 --> 00:40:18,900
My house is at Your
Grace's disposal.

465
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,503
Touching this other
business, mark you...

466
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,799
I'll have no opposition.

467
00:40:27,549 --> 00:40:28,951
Your Grace.

468
00:40:29,051 --> 00:40:33,305
No opposition, I
say. No opposition.

469
00:40:34,264 --> 00:40:35,641
Be seated.

470
00:40:38,685 --> 00:40:43,148
I'll leave you out of it
but you are my chancellor.

471
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,404
I don't take it kindly and
I'll have no opposition.

472
00:40:50,906 --> 00:40:52,783
I see how it will be.

473
00:40:53,992 --> 00:40:56,161
The bishops will oppose me.

474
00:40:56,578 --> 00:40:59,182
The full-fed princes
of the Church.

475
00:40:59,183 --> 00:41:01,208
Hypocrites. All hypocrites.

476
00:41:01,375 --> 00:41:03,710
Mind they do not
take you in, Thomas.

477
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,403
Your Grace is unjust.

478
00:41:05,503 --> 00:41:08,615
If I cannot serve Your Grace in
this great matter of the Queen.

479
00:41:08,715 --> 00:41:11,092
I have no queen.

480
00:41:11,759 --> 00:41:13,803
Catherine's not my wife.

481
00:41:14,554 --> 00:41:16,681
No priest can make her so.

482
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:21,102
They that say she is my wife are
not only liars, but traitors.

483
00:41:23,104 --> 00:41:24,647
Yes, traitors.

484
00:41:25,481 --> 00:41:27,275
That I will not brook now.

485
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:29,068
Treachery.

486
00:41:30,194 --> 00:41:31,387
I will not brook.

487
00:41:31,487 --> 00:41:32,822
It maddens me.

488
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,827
It is a deadly canker in the body
politic, and I will have it out.

489
00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:49,796
See?

490
00:41:51,965 --> 00:41:54,259
You see how you've maddened me?

491
00:41:54,843 --> 00:41:57,137
I hardly know myself.

492
00:42:04,978 --> 00:42:08,048
If you could come with me, there's
no man I'd sooner raise...

493
00:42:08,148 --> 00:42:10,025
yes, with my own hand.

494
00:42:10,359 --> 00:42:12,443
Your Grace overwhelms me.

495
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:23,829
What's that?

496
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:25,998
Eight o'clock, Your Grace.

497
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,877
Lift yourself up, man.

498
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:36,550
Have I not promised I'll
leave you out of it?

499
00:42:38,177 --> 00:42:39,470
Shall we eat?

500
00:42:39,595 --> 00:42:41,222
If Your Grace pleases.

501
00:42:45,558 --> 00:42:47,102
Eight o'clock, you said.

502
00:42:48,687 --> 00:42:50,438
The tide will be turning.

503
00:42:50,814 --> 00:42:52,764
I was forgetting the
tide. I must go.

504
00:42:52,765 --> 00:42:53,983
I'm sorry, Your Grace.

505
00:42:54,484 --> 00:42:57,429
If I don't catch the tide I'll
not get back to Richmond.

506
00:42:57,529 --> 00:42:59,072
No, don't come.

507
00:43:02,659 --> 00:43:04,593
Lady Alice, I must
go and catch the

508
00:43:04,594 --> 00:43:06,313
tide. Affairs call me to court.

509
00:43:06,413 --> 00:43:09,082
So we give you our thanks
and we say goodnight.

510
00:43:31,437 --> 00:43:32,730
What's this?

511
00:43:33,313 --> 00:43:35,174
- You crossed him.
- Somewhat.

512
00:43:35,274 --> 00:43:37,384
- Why?
- I couldn't find the other way.

513
00:43:37,484 --> 00:43:39,511
You're too nice
altogether, Thomas.

514
00:43:39,611 --> 00:43:43,115
- Woman, mind your house.
- I am minding my house.

515
00:43:46,452 --> 00:43:48,370
God save Your Majesty.

516
00:43:49,705 --> 00:43:51,540
God save Your Grace.

517
00:43:58,713 --> 00:44:00,465
God save the King.

518
00:44:03,259 --> 00:44:04,552
Lift.

519
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,770
Drop blades.

520
00:44:16,314 --> 00:44:18,566
Sire. Sire. Sire.

521
00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:52,683
Are you coming my way, Rich?

522
00:44:54,976 --> 00:44:56,061
No.

523
00:44:58,063 --> 00:45:00,315
I think you should, you know.

524
00:45:00,774 --> 00:45:02,900
I can't tell you anything.

525
00:45:09,573 --> 00:45:10,741
Well?

526
00:45:23,421 --> 00:45:24,672
Thomas?

527
00:45:27,133 --> 00:45:28,926
Stay friends with him.

528
00:45:30,428 --> 00:45:34,181
Whatever may be done by smiling,
you may rely on me to do.

529
00:45:41,438 --> 00:45:43,606
Set your mind at rest.

530
00:45:43,898 --> 00:45:47,152
This is not the stuff of
which martyrs are made.

531
00:45:56,828 --> 00:45:59,831
Good evening, sir, Lady Alice.

532
00:46:01,249 --> 00:46:03,209
Will wants to talk to you, Father.

533
00:46:04,711 --> 00:46:06,613
I told him it wouldn't
be convenient.

534
00:46:06,713 --> 00:46:07,714
You were quite right.

535
00:46:08,506 --> 00:46:11,425
You're very free with my
daughter's hand, Roper.

536
00:46:11,967 --> 00:46:12,967
Yes.

537
00:46:13,469 --> 00:46:15,387
It's of that I wish to speak.

538
00:46:15,763 --> 00:46:18,682
Sir, you've had a disagreement
with His Majesty.

539
00:46:19,558 --> 00:46:21,877
- Have I?
- So Meg tells me.

540
00:46:21,977 --> 00:46:23,937
I offer my congratulations.

541
00:46:24,313 --> 00:46:27,216
If it's true, is it a
matter for congratulation?

542
00:46:27,316 --> 00:46:28,359
Yes.

543
00:46:31,737 --> 00:46:36,408
Sir, when last I asked you
for your daughter's hand...

544
00:46:36,658 --> 00:46:39,870
you objected to my
unorthodox opinions.

545
00:46:40,412 --> 00:46:41,605
- I did.
- Yes.

546
00:46:41,705 --> 00:46:44,375
Well, since then my views
have somewhat modified.

547
00:46:48,878 --> 00:46:50,671
Well, that's good hearing, Will.

548
00:46:51,631 --> 00:46:53,455
Mind you, I modify
nothing concerning

549
00:46:53,456 --> 00:46:55,326
the various corruptions
in the Church.

550
00:46:55,426 --> 00:46:56,426
Quite right.

551
00:46:56,427 --> 00:46:58,246
But an attack upon the
Church herself...

552
00:46:58,346 --> 00:47:00,873
no. I see behind that
an attack on God.

553
00:47:00,973 --> 00:47:02,458
- Roper.
- The Devil's work...

554
00:47:02,558 --> 00:47:04,335
to be done by the
Devil's ministers.

555
00:47:04,435 --> 00:47:06,337
For heaven's sake,
remember my office.

556
00:47:06,437 --> 00:47:07,880
If you stand on your office...

557
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:12,193
No, I don't stand on it, but there
are certain things I may not hear.

558
00:47:12,902 --> 00:47:13,902
Sir Thomas.

559
00:47:16,114 --> 00:47:17,407
Richard?

560
00:47:18,157 --> 00:47:19,324
I fell.

561
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:22,411
Lady Alice.

562
00:47:22,744 --> 00:47:24,313
- Lady Margaret.
- Good evening.

563
00:47:24,413 --> 00:47:26,832
Do you know William
Roper, the younger?

564
00:47:26,998 --> 00:47:28,875
By reputation, of course.

565
00:47:29,126 --> 00:47:31,420
- Good evening, Master...
- Rich.

566
00:47:38,927 --> 00:47:40,429
You've heard of me?

567
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:41,805
Yes.

568
00:47:42,139 --> 00:47:45,559
In what connection? I don't
know what you can have heard.

569
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,608
I sense that I'm not welcome here.

570
00:47:53,858 --> 00:47:56,928
Why Richard? Have you done
something to make you not welcome?

571
00:47:57,028 --> 00:47:58,387
Cromwell is asking questions.

572
00:47:58,487 --> 00:48:00,470
About you. He's always
asking questions

573
00:48:00,471 --> 00:48:01,907
about you and your opinions.

574
00:48:02,408 --> 00:48:03,701
Of whom?

575
00:48:04,744 --> 00:48:06,996
Of him, for one. That's
one of his sources.

576
00:48:08,664 --> 00:48:11,042
Of course. That's
one of my servants.

577
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:14,336
All right, Matthew.

578
00:48:19,342 --> 00:48:21,761
Well, you look at me as
though I were an enemy.

579
00:48:24,388 --> 00:48:26,349
Why Richard, you're shaking.

580
00:48:28,099 --> 00:48:29,392
Help me.

581
00:48:30,310 --> 00:48:31,311
How?

582
00:48:31,436 --> 00:48:32,729
Employ me.

583
00:48:33,438 --> 00:48:34,522
No.

584
00:48:35,065 --> 00:48:36,858
- Employ me.
- No.

585
00:48:52,457 --> 00:48:54,292
I would be faithful.

586
00:48:58,046 --> 00:49:02,217
You couldn't answer for yourself
even so far as tonight.

587
00:49:14,353 --> 00:49:15,562
Arrest him.

588
00:49:15,688 --> 00:49:17,172
- For what?
- He's dangerous.

589
00:49:17,272 --> 00:49:19,049
- Libel. He's a spy.
- That man's bad.

590
00:49:19,149 --> 00:49:21,343
- There's no law against that.
- God's law.

591
00:49:21,443 --> 00:49:24,013
- Then God can arrest him.
- While you talk, he's gone.

592
00:49:24,113 --> 00:49:27,141
Go he should, if he were the
Devil, until he broke the law.

593
00:49:27,241 --> 00:49:29,476
Now you give the Devil
benefit of law.

594
00:49:29,477 --> 00:49:30,894
Yes, what would you do?

595
00:49:30,994 --> 00:49:33,522
Cut a road through the law
to get after the Devil?

596
00:49:33,622 --> 00:49:36,583
Yes. I'd cut down every law
in England to do that.

597
00:49:37,417 --> 00:49:40,486
And when the last law was down,
and the Devil turned on you...

598
00:49:40,586 --> 00:49:43,615
where would you hide, Roper,
the laws all being flat?

599
00:49:43,715 --> 00:49:46,409
This country is planted with
laws from coast to coast...

600
00:49:46,509 --> 00:49:49,120
Man's laws, not God's, and
if you cut them down...

601
00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:50,955
and you're just the
man to do it...

602
00:49:51,055 --> 00:49:53,134
do you really think
you could stand

603
00:49:53,135 --> 00:49:55,560
upright in the wind
that would blow then?

604
00:49:56,436 --> 00:49:57,436
Yes.

605
00:49:57,437 --> 00:50:01,733
I give the Devil benefit of
law for my own safety's sake.

606
00:50:39,644 --> 00:50:41,396
- Master Rich?
- Yes.

607
00:50:41,521 --> 00:50:43,065
In there, sir.

608
00:50:49,111 --> 00:50:51,155
Rich? Come in.

609
00:50:55,201 --> 00:50:57,311
Taken you long enough to get here.

610
00:50:57,411 --> 00:50:59,121
Have I kept you waiting?

611
00:51:00,331 --> 00:51:01,582
Months.

612
00:51:03,959 --> 00:51:06,170
- Here.
- Thank you.

613
00:51:07,588 --> 00:51:09,131
Do you know the news?

614
00:51:09,465 --> 00:51:12,593
- What news?
- Sir Thomas Paget is retiring.

615
00:51:14,136 --> 00:51:16,222
And I succeed him.

616
00:51:17,431 --> 00:51:19,166
Secretary to the Council?

617
00:51:19,266 --> 00:51:20,392
You?

618
00:51:20,934 --> 00:51:22,644
'Tis surprising, isn't it?

619
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:26,815
I mean, one sees that's logical.

620
00:51:28,775 --> 00:51:31,653
Sit down, Rich. No
ceremony, no courtship...

621
00:51:31,778 --> 00:51:33,863
as His Majesty would say.

622
00:51:37,325 --> 00:51:39,119
You see how I trust you.

623
00:51:40,078 --> 00:51:42,831
I'd never repeat or
report a thing like that.

624
00:51:44,124 --> 00:51:46,918
What kind of thing would
you repeat or report?

625
00:51:49,004 --> 00:51:50,797
Nothing said in friendship.

626
00:51:51,214 --> 00:51:52,532
Do you believe that?

627
00:51:52,632 --> 00:51:54,617
- Why, yes.
- No, seriously.

628
00:51:54,717 --> 00:51:56,093
Well, yes.

629
00:51:56,427 --> 00:52:00,389
Rich, seriously.

630
00:52:05,602 --> 00:52:08,939
That would depend
what I was offered.

631
00:52:10,816 --> 00:52:12,426
Don't say it just to please me.

632
00:52:12,526 --> 00:52:15,237
It's true. It would depend
what I was offered.

633
00:52:17,322 --> 00:52:20,284
Well, there is
another post vacant.

634
00:52:20,743 --> 00:52:22,953
Collector of Revenues for York.

635
00:52:23,579 --> 00:52:25,189
Is it in your gift?

636
00:52:25,289 --> 00:52:26,665
Effectively.

637
00:52:27,708 --> 00:52:29,500
What must I do for it?

638
00:52:31,919 --> 00:52:35,214
I know a man who wants
to change his woman.

639
00:52:36,841 --> 00:52:39,744
Normally a matter of small
importance, but in this case...

640
00:52:39,844 --> 00:52:43,014
it's our liege, Lord Henry,
the eighth of that name.

641
00:52:43,765 --> 00:52:45,974
Which is a quaint way
of saying that if

642
00:52:45,975 --> 00:52:48,127
he wants to change
his woman, he will.

643
00:52:48,227 --> 00:52:50,396
And our job as administrators...

644
00:52:50,980 --> 00:52:55,318
is to minimise the inconvenience
which this is going to cause.

645
00:52:55,443 --> 00:52:57,275
That's our only job, Rich, to

646
00:52:57,276 --> 00:52:59,739
minimise the
inconvenience of things.

647
00:53:00,198 --> 00:53:03,200
A harmless occupation
you would say, but no.

648
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:06,453
We administrators are
not liked, Rich.

649
00:53:06,912 --> 00:53:08,689
We are not popular.

650
00:53:08,789 --> 00:53:10,733
I say "we" on the
assumption you'll

651
00:53:10,734 --> 00:53:13,001
accept the post at
York I've offered you.

652
00:53:17,964 --> 00:53:19,091
Yes.

653
00:53:26,932 --> 00:53:28,442
It's a bad sign when people are

654
00:53:28,443 --> 00:53:30,294
depressed by their
own good fortune.

655
00:53:30,394 --> 00:53:32,421
- I'm not depressed.
- You look depressed.

656
00:53:32,521 --> 00:53:34,923
I was lamenting. I've
lost my innocence.

657
00:53:35,023 --> 00:53:37,900
Some time ago. Have you
only just noticed?

658
00:53:39,402 --> 00:53:41,869
Your friend, our present
Lord Chancellor,

659
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:43,572
now there's an innocent man.

660
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:47,576
The odd thing is, he is.

661
00:53:47,827 --> 00:53:50,813
Yes, I say he is. Unhappily...

662
00:53:50,913 --> 00:53:53,274
his innocence is tangled
up in this problem...

663
00:53:53,374 --> 00:53:56,110
that you can't change your
woman without a divorce...

664
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:59,463
and you can't get a divorce
unless the Pope says so.

665
00:53:59,588 --> 00:54:02,046
And from this meaningless
circumstance,

666
00:54:02,047 --> 00:54:04,135
I foresee a certain measure of...

667
00:54:04,468 --> 00:54:06,762
- Inconvenience?
- Just so.

668
00:54:07,847 --> 00:54:10,599
This goblet he gave you,
how much was it worth?

669
00:54:12,517 --> 00:54:14,443
Come along, he gave you a silver

670
00:54:14,444 --> 00:54:16,730
goblet. How much did
you get for it?

671
00:54:17,063 --> 00:54:18,256
Fifty shillings.

672
00:54:18,356 --> 00:54:21,359
It was a gift, wasn't it,
from a litigant, a woman?

673
00:54:21,943 --> 00:54:23,945
- Yes.
- Which court? Chancery?

674
00:54:25,697 --> 00:54:27,782
Don't get drunk.

675
00:54:28,283 --> 00:54:30,869
Which court was the
litigant's case?

676
00:54:32,787 --> 00:54:34,539
Court of Requests.

677
00:54:36,624 --> 00:54:39,377
There. That wasn't
too painful, was it?

678
00:54:42,005 --> 00:54:43,423
- No.
- No.

679
00:54:43,548 --> 00:54:46,175
And you'll find it
easier, next time.

680
00:55:21,584 --> 00:55:24,420
My Lord Archbishop, my lords...

681
00:55:24,796 --> 00:55:27,173
Reverend Doctors of the Church.

682
00:55:27,382 --> 00:55:30,285
The answer of our
liege, Lord Henry...

683
00:55:30,385 --> 00:55:32,829
to his trusty
well-beloved subjects...

684
00:55:32,929 --> 00:55:35,682
pontiffs in the
Canterbury Convocation.

685
00:55:37,392 --> 00:55:38,685
"His Majesty...

686
00:55:38,810 --> 00:55:41,074
"acknowledges your
humble admission

687
00:55:41,075 --> 00:55:42,772
of many grievous errors...

688
00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:45,383
"for which he accepts...

689
00:55:45,483 --> 00:55:50,154
"the manumission of
£100,000 in token.

690
00:55:52,657 --> 00:55:54,664
"Mindful for the
well-being of the realm

691
00:55:54,665 --> 00:55:56,476
and the quietness
of his subjects...

692
00:55:56,576 --> 00:55:58,779
"His Majesty requires
that you do now

693
00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:00,981
straightly renounce
your pretended...

694
00:56:01,081 --> 00:56:03,500
"allegiance to the See of Rome.

695
00:56:04,042 --> 00:56:07,212
"And admit the statute
passed through parliament...

696
00:56:07,546 --> 00:56:10,090
"acknowledging the
King's good title...

697
00:56:10,674 --> 00:56:13,468
"Supreme Head of the
Church in England."

698
00:56:19,099 --> 00:56:22,060
Well, my lords,
what's your answer?

699
00:56:24,021 --> 00:56:26,398
Yea or nay?

700
00:56:28,691 --> 00:56:31,235
His Majesty accepts your
resignation very sadly.

701
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:33,971
He's mindful of your
goodness and past loyalty.

702
00:56:34,071 --> 00:56:36,270
And in any matter
concerning your honour

703
00:56:36,271 --> 00:56:38,576
and welfare he'll
continue your good lord.

704
00:56:39,952 --> 00:56:42,204
You will convey my
humble gratitude.

705
00:56:48,461 --> 00:56:50,880
- Help me with this.
- Not I.

706
00:56:54,425 --> 00:56:56,302
- Alice?
- No.

707
00:56:57,261 --> 00:56:59,440
Sun and moon, Master More, you're

708
00:56:59,441 --> 00:57:02,016
taken for a wise
man. Is this wisdom?

709
00:57:02,308 --> 00:57:04,000
To betray your ability...

710
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:07,771
abandon your station and forget
your duty to your kith and kin?

711
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,148
Shall I, sir?

712
00:57:11,816 --> 00:57:14,444
No, thank you, son Roper.

713
00:57:16,279 --> 00:57:17,447
Margaret...

714
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:20,116
will you?

715
00:57:21,451 --> 00:57:22,702
Yes.

716
00:57:27,832 --> 00:57:29,751
If you want.

717
00:57:34,881 --> 00:57:36,758
There's my clever girl.

718
00:57:40,135 --> 00:57:44,556
Well done, sir. In my opinion,
that thing's a degradation.

719
00:57:44,682 --> 00:57:47,251
I'll tell you my opinion of
the King's title, too...

720
00:57:47,351 --> 00:57:51,230
Don't. Will, silence. Remember,
you have a wife now...

721
00:57:52,106 --> 00:57:53,857
and may have children.

722
00:58:05,703 --> 00:58:07,771
All right, Thomas,
make me understand...

723
00:58:07,871 --> 00:58:10,649
because I tell you, to me
this looks like cowardice.

724
00:58:10,749 --> 00:58:11,749
All right, I will.

725
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,545
This isn't reformation, this
is war against the Church.

726
00:58:15,753 --> 00:58:17,604
Our King has declared
war on the Pope

727
00:58:17,605 --> 00:58:19,407
because the Pope
will not declare...

728
00:58:19,507 --> 00:58:22,385
- that our Queen is not his wife.
- And is she?

729
00:58:25,471 --> 00:58:26,806
Is she?

730
00:58:29,308 --> 00:58:32,211
Have I your word that what we
say here is between us two?

731
00:58:32,311 --> 00:58:33,521
Very well.

732
00:58:33,646 --> 00:58:37,191
And if the King should command
you to repeat what I may say?

733
00:58:37,317 --> 00:58:39,277
I should keep my word to you.

734
00:58:39,402 --> 00:58:43,239
Then what has become of your
oath of obedience to the King?

735
00:58:45,949 --> 00:58:47,768
You lay traps for me.

736
00:58:47,868 --> 00:58:50,495
No, I show you the times.

737
00:58:53,790 --> 00:58:57,653
We are at war with the Pope. For
the Pope's a prince, isn't he?

738
00:58:57,753 --> 00:58:59,905
He is. He's also the
descendant of St.

739
00:58:59,906 --> 00:59:01,782
Peter, our only link with Christ.

740
00:59:01,882 --> 00:59:05,744
So you believe. And will you
forfeit all you have...

741
00:59:05,844 --> 00:59:08,789
which includes the respect of
your country, for a belief?

742
00:59:08,889 --> 00:59:12,184
Because what matters is that I
believe it, or rather, no...

743
00:59:12,768 --> 00:59:15,937
not that I believe it,
but that I believe it.

744
00:59:16,730 --> 00:59:20,108
- I trust I make myself obscure?
- Perfectly.

745
00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:26,697
Why do you insult me with
this lawyer's chatter?

746
00:59:27,406 --> 00:59:29,325
Because I'm afraid.

747
00:59:29,492 --> 00:59:31,118
Man, you're ill.

748
00:59:33,913 --> 00:59:36,540
This isn't Spain, you
know. This is England.

749
00:59:55,975 --> 01:00:00,021
My friends, you all know
why I've called you here.

750
01:00:00,772 --> 01:00:04,192
I have today resigned my office.

751
01:00:06,653 --> 01:00:09,656
I am no longer a great man.

752
01:00:10,865 --> 01:00:14,160
Sir, we want you to know
that we're all on your side.

753
01:00:14,995 --> 01:00:17,455
My side? What side is that?

754
01:00:17,831 --> 01:00:19,733
Well, sir, we all
know what you think.

755
01:00:19,833 --> 01:00:22,319
None of you knows what I
think. And if you guess...

756
01:00:22,419 --> 01:00:25,463
and babble it about, you
do me no good service.

757
01:00:27,257 --> 01:00:31,118
Since I am no more a great man, I
no longer need a great household.

758
01:00:31,218 --> 01:00:36,015
Nor can I afford one.
You will have to go.

759
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:39,460
However, I still number some
great men among my friends...

760
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,837
and they still need
great households.

761
01:00:41,937 --> 01:00:45,341
No one will be turned away until
we've found another place for him.

762
01:00:45,441 --> 01:00:47,518
We can't find places for them all.

763
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:48,519
Yes, we can.

764
01:00:50,571 --> 01:00:52,072
Thank you.

765
01:00:53,365 --> 01:00:54,867
That is all.

766
01:01:05,585 --> 01:01:07,253
What about you, Matthew?

767
01:01:10,923 --> 01:01:12,467
Will you stay?

768
01:01:12,592 --> 01:01:14,535
Well, sir, that's according.

769
01:01:14,635 --> 01:01:17,430
There will be more
work and less money.

770
01:01:18,765 --> 01:01:20,888
Well then, I don't see
how I can then, sir.

771
01:01:20,889 --> 01:01:22,794
After all, I've got my own...

772
01:01:22,894 --> 01:01:26,856
Quite right, Matthew. Why should
you? I shall miss you, Matthew.

773
01:01:27,982 --> 01:01:30,777
Oh, no, sir, you see through
me, sir. I know that.

774
01:01:35,448 --> 01:01:37,158
I shall miss you.

775
01:01:48,752 --> 01:01:51,046
Damn me. Isn't that them all over.

776
01:01:51,505 --> 01:01:53,865
Miss me? What's in
me for him to miss?

777
01:01:53,965 --> 01:01:55,969
"Matthew, will you take a cut in

778
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:58,287
wages?" No, Sir
Thomas, I will not.

779
01:01:58,387 --> 01:02:00,761
And that's it. And
that's all of it.

780
01:02:00,762 --> 01:02:03,308
All right, so he's down
on his luck, I'm sorry.

781
01:02:04,101 --> 01:02:06,353
I don't mind saying that
I'm sorry, bad luck.

782
01:02:06,645 --> 01:02:08,797
If I had good luck to
spare he could have some.

783
01:02:08,897 --> 01:02:10,883
I wish we could have
good luck all the time.

784
01:02:10,983 --> 01:02:15,611
I wish rainwater was beer. I
wish we had wings. But we don't.

785
01:02:26,747 --> 01:02:29,125
Well, there's an end of you.

786
01:02:30,001 --> 01:02:32,028
What'll you do now?
Sit by the fire...

787
01:02:32,128 --> 01:02:34,280
and make goslings in the ash?

788
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:36,424
Not at all, Alice.

789
01:02:37,299 --> 01:02:39,719
I expect I'll write a bit...

790
01:02:40,886 --> 01:02:42,263
I'll write...

791
01:02:43,139 --> 01:02:45,308
I'll read, I'll think.

792
01:02:46,933 --> 01:02:48,768
I think I'll learn to fish.

793
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,482
I'll play with my grandchildren
when son Roper's done his duty.

794
01:02:56,234 --> 01:02:58,696
Alice, shall I teach you to read?

795
01:02:58,697 --> 01:02:59,697
No, by God.

796
01:03:03,116 --> 01:03:06,019
Poor, silly man, you think
they'll leave you here to think?

797
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,580
If we govern our
tongues, they will.

798
01:03:12,250 --> 01:03:14,495
I have a word to say
on that. I've made

799
01:03:14,496 --> 01:03:16,796
no statement. I've
resigned, that's all.

800
01:03:18,131 --> 01:03:20,128
The King is made, by
Act of Parliament,

801
01:03:20,129 --> 01:03:22,076
Supreme Head of the
Church in England.

802
01:03:22,176 --> 01:03:24,368
This English Church
will divorce him from

803
01:03:24,369 --> 01:03:26,455
the Queen, then marry
him to Lady Anne.

804
01:03:26,555 --> 01:03:30,434
But on any of these matters, have
you heard me make a statement?

805
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:31,602
No.

806
01:03:31,894 --> 01:03:33,585
If I'm to lose my rank and fall to

807
01:03:33,586 --> 01:03:35,673
housekeeping, I want
to know the reason.

808
01:03:35,773 --> 01:03:37,800
- So make a statement now.
- No.

809
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:40,886
Alice, it's a point of
law. Accept it from me...

810
01:03:40,986 --> 01:03:43,889
that in silence is my
safety, under the law.

811
01:03:43,989 --> 01:03:47,643
And my silence must be absolute,
it must extend to you.

812
01:03:47,743 --> 01:03:49,870
In short, you don't trust me.

813
01:03:53,582 --> 01:03:55,311
I'm the Lord Chief Justice, I'm

814
01:03:55,312 --> 01:03:57,543
Cromwell, I'm the
keeper of the Tower.

815
01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,237
I take your hand...

816
01:03:59,337 --> 01:04:03,199
I clamp it on the Bible, on
the blessed Cross and I say:

817
01:04:03,299 --> 01:04:06,678
"Woman, has your husband made
a statement on these matters?

818
01:04:07,261 --> 01:04:10,723
"On peril of your soul remember,
what is your answer?"

819
01:04:12,809 --> 01:04:13,893
No.

820
01:04:15,144 --> 01:04:17,939
And so it must remain.

821
01:04:26,906 --> 01:04:29,408
Have you opened your mind to Meg?

822
01:04:29,866 --> 01:04:32,661
Would I tell Meg what
I won't tell you?

823
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:36,748
Meg has your heart. I
know that well enough.

824
01:04:48,468 --> 01:04:50,637
This is a dangerous matter then...

825
01:04:51,596 --> 01:04:53,390
if you've not told Meg.

826
01:04:54,057 --> 01:04:57,019
I don't think so. No.

827
01:04:58,353 --> 01:05:00,480
When they find I'm silent...

828
01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:04,400
they'll want nothing better
than to leave me silent.

829
01:05:05,651 --> 01:05:07,194
You'll see.

830
01:05:29,342 --> 01:05:32,720
But he's silent, Master Secretary,
why not leave him silent?

831
01:05:32,887 --> 01:05:35,931
Your Grace, not being
a man of letters...

832
01:05:36,557 --> 01:05:39,376
you perhaps don't realise the
extent of his reputation.

833
01:05:39,476 --> 01:05:42,420
This silence of his is
bellowing up and down Europe.

834
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,714
In Europe he is claimed
as the King's enemy.

835
01:05:44,814 --> 01:05:47,259
Rubbish. Crank he may
be, traitor he is not.

836
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:49,778
Exactly. And with a
little pressure...

837
01:05:50,779 --> 01:05:52,973
With a little pressure
he can be got to say so.

838
01:05:53,073 --> 01:05:55,809
That's all we need. A brief
declaration of his loyalty...

839
01:05:55,909 --> 01:05:57,676
to the present administration.

840
01:05:57,677 --> 01:05:59,829
I still say, let
sleeping dogs lie.

841
01:06:00,705 --> 01:06:02,999
The King does not agree with you.

842
01:06:08,046 --> 01:06:12,174
What kind of pressure do you
think you can bring to bear?

843
01:06:12,841 --> 01:06:15,003
I have evidence that,
Sir Thomas, while

844
01:06:15,004 --> 01:06:16,787
he was a judge, accepted bribes.

845
01:06:16,887 --> 01:06:18,305
What?

846
01:06:18,597 --> 01:06:20,382
Goddammit. He was the only judge

847
01:06:20,383 --> 01:06:22,501
since Cato who didn't
accept bribes.

848
01:06:22,601 --> 01:06:25,880
When was there a chancellor whose
possessions, after three years...

849
01:06:25,980 --> 01:06:28,816
totalled £100 and a gold chain?

850
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:35,139
It is, as you imply,
common practise...

851
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:38,267
but a practise may be common
and remain an offence.

852
01:06:38,367 --> 01:06:40,953
This offence could send
a man to the Tower.

853
01:06:46,125 --> 01:06:47,417
Come here.

854
01:06:48,418 --> 01:06:51,738
This woman's name is Averil
Machin. She comes from Leicester.

855
01:06:51,838 --> 01:06:53,948
- She entered a case...
- A property case it was.

856
01:06:54,048 --> 01:06:55,508
Shut your mouth.

857
01:06:56,426 --> 01:06:59,120
A property case in the Court
of Requests in April, 1528.

858
01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:00,747
And got a wicked false judgement.

859
01:07:00,847 --> 01:07:03,666
And got an impeccably correct
judgement from, Sir Thomas.

860
01:07:03,766 --> 01:07:05,835
- No, sir, it was not.
- Tell the gentleman...

861
01:07:05,935 --> 01:07:08,646
about the gift you gave the judge.

862
01:07:09,772 --> 01:07:11,482
I gave him a cup, sir.

863
01:07:11,607 --> 01:07:15,053
A silver Italian cup I bought in
Leicester, for 100 shillings.

864
01:07:15,153 --> 01:07:17,155
Did, Sir Thomas accept this cup?

865
01:07:17,405 --> 01:07:18,598
Yes, sir, he did.

866
01:07:18,698 --> 01:07:22,159
He did accept it. We can
corroborate that. You can go.

867
01:07:22,492 --> 01:07:24,411
- To my way of thinking...
- Go.

868
01:07:33,337 --> 01:07:36,006
- Is that your witness?
- No.

869
01:07:36,798 --> 01:07:39,054
By an odd coincidence
that cup later

870
01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:41,553
came into the hands
of Master Rich here.

871
01:07:43,347 --> 01:07:44,473
How?

872
01:07:47,392 --> 01:07:50,479
- He gave it to me, Your Grace.
- Gave it to you? Why?

873
01:07:50,896 --> 01:07:52,147
A gift.

874
01:07:53,148 --> 01:07:56,275
Yes, you were a
friend, weren't you?

875
01:07:56,901 --> 01:07:59,153
When did Thomas give
you this thing?

876
01:07:59,987 --> 01:08:01,864
I can't exactly remember.

877
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:07,119
Do you "remember"
what you did with it?

878
01:08:07,536 --> 01:08:09,330
- I sold it.
- Where?

879
01:08:09,997 --> 01:08:12,208
- A shop.
- Has the shop still got it?

880
01:08:13,292 --> 01:08:15,461
No. They've lost all track of it.

881
01:08:15,711 --> 01:08:17,171
How convenient.

882
01:08:19,298 --> 01:08:21,409
You doubt Master Rich's
word, Your Grace?

883
01:08:21,509 --> 01:08:23,844
It had occurred to me.

884
01:08:26,889 --> 01:08:28,975
This is the bill of sale.

885
01:08:39,776 --> 01:08:42,174
That cow put her
case into court in

886
01:08:42,175 --> 01:08:44,572
April, you said.
This is dated May.

887
01:08:45,699 --> 01:08:48,643
In other words, the moment Thomas
knew the cup was a bribe...

888
01:08:48,743 --> 01:08:52,163
he dropped it into
the nearest gutter.

889
01:08:55,041 --> 01:08:58,044
The facts will bear that
interpretation, I suppose.

890
01:08:59,296 --> 01:09:02,032
This is a horse that won't
run, Master Secretary.

891
01:09:02,132 --> 01:09:04,909
Just a trial gallop. We'll
find something better.

892
01:09:05,009 --> 01:09:07,594
- I want no part of it.
- You have no choice.

893
01:09:09,471 --> 01:09:11,223
What's that you say?

894
01:09:12,683 --> 01:09:14,922
The King particularly
wishes you to be

895
01:09:14,923 --> 01:09:17,104
active in this matter
of, Sir Thomas.

896
01:09:17,563 --> 01:09:19,089
He's not told me that.

897
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:21,108
Indeed? He told me.

898
01:09:25,237 --> 01:09:26,864
Look here, Cromwell...

899
01:09:27,156 --> 01:09:29,325
what's the purpose of all this?

900
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:30,993
There you have me.

901
01:09:32,369 --> 01:09:34,621
It's a matter of
conscience, I think.

902
01:09:34,830 --> 01:09:38,333
The King wants, Sir Thomas
to bless his marriage.

903
01:09:38,791 --> 01:09:41,179
If, Sir Thomas appeared
at the wedding now,

904
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:43,296
it might save us all
a lot of trouble.

905
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,259
He won't attend the wedding.

906
01:09:48,384 --> 01:09:50,887
If I were you, I'd try
and persuade him.

907
01:09:51,512 --> 01:09:54,682
I really would try, if I were you.

908
01:09:57,185 --> 01:10:00,188
Cromwell, are you threatening me?

909
01:10:00,313 --> 01:10:03,650
My dear Norfolk, this isn't Spain.

910
01:10:04,525 --> 01:10:06,194
This is England.

911
01:12:22,576 --> 01:12:25,079
Thomas? Thomas.

912
01:13:31,018 --> 01:13:32,127
Lady Margaret?

913
01:13:32,227 --> 01:13:33,227
Yes.

914
01:13:35,397 --> 01:13:38,899
We've been cutting greens.
We use them for fuel.

915
01:13:41,152 --> 01:13:45,489
I have a letter for your father,
Lady Margaret. From Hampton Court.

916
01:13:48,909 --> 01:13:53,039
He's to answer certain charges
before Secretary Cromwell.

917
01:13:56,208 --> 01:13:58,085
Good of you to come, Sir Thomas.

918
01:14:04,091 --> 01:14:06,619
Master Rich will make a
record of our conversation.

919
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,746
Good of you to tell
me, Master Secretary.

920
01:14:08,846 --> 01:14:10,331
I think you know one another.

921
01:14:10,431 --> 01:14:12,766
Indeed yes, we're old friends.

922
01:14:13,725 --> 01:14:16,061
That's a nice gown
you have, Richard.

923
01:14:21,232 --> 01:14:23,485
Sir Thomas, believe me.

924
01:14:23,693 --> 01:14:27,781
No, that's asking too much. But
let me tell you all the same.

925
01:14:28,073 --> 01:14:31,868
You have no more sincere
admirer than myself.

926
01:14:32,994 --> 01:14:35,372
No, not yet, Rich, not yet.

927
01:14:39,376 --> 01:14:41,194
If I might hear the charges.

928
01:14:41,294 --> 01:14:42,294
The charges?

929
01:14:42,295 --> 01:14:44,239
I understand there
are certain charges.

930
01:14:44,339 --> 01:14:46,295
Some ambiguities of
behaviour I should

931
01:14:46,296 --> 01:14:47,950
like to clarify, hardly charges.

932
01:14:48,050 --> 01:14:51,720
Make a note of that, will you,
Master Rich? There are no charges.

933
01:14:52,721 --> 01:14:54,974
Sir Thomas, Sir Thomas.

934
01:14:59,979 --> 01:15:03,023
The King is not pleased with you.

935
01:15:03,816 --> 01:15:05,317
I am grieved.

936
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:07,984
And yet, do you
know that even now,

937
01:15:07,985 --> 01:15:09,597
if you could bring yourself...

938
01:15:09,697 --> 01:15:11,791
to agree with the
Church, universities,

939
01:15:11,792 --> 01:15:13,309
the Lords and the Commons...

940
01:15:13,409 --> 01:15:15,537
there is no honour
which His Majesty

941
01:15:15,538 --> 01:15:17,204
would be likely to deny you?

942
01:15:17,746 --> 01:15:21,041
I am well acquainted with
His Grace's generosity.

943
01:15:24,127 --> 01:15:25,253
Very well.

944
01:15:27,714 --> 01:15:31,968
You have heard of the so-called
"Holy Maid of Kent"...

945
01:15:32,385 --> 01:15:34,871
who was executed for
prophesying against the King?

946
01:15:34,971 --> 01:15:37,140
- Yes, I met her.
- Yes, you met her.

947
01:15:37,307 --> 01:15:40,919
Yet you did not warn His Majesty
of her treason. How was that?

948
01:15:41,019 --> 01:15:44,397
She spoke no treason. Our
talk was not political.

949
01:15:44,772 --> 01:15:47,759
But the woman was notorious. Do
you expect me to believe that?

950
01:15:47,859 --> 01:15:51,054
- Happily, there were witnesses.
- You wrote a letter to her.

951
01:15:51,154 --> 01:15:53,574
Yes. I wrote, advising
her to abstain

952
01:15:53,575 --> 01:15:56,058
from meddling in the
affairs of state.

953
01:15:56,158 --> 01:16:00,078
I have a copy of the
letter. Also witnessed.

954
01:16:02,247 --> 01:16:04,266
You have been cautious.

955
01:16:04,267 --> 01:16:07,336
I like to keep my affairs regular.

956
01:16:14,426 --> 01:16:18,347
In the June of 1521, the
King published a book.

957
01:16:19,348 --> 01:16:20,849
A theological work.

958
01:16:22,351 --> 01:16:25,045
It was called, A Defence
of the Seven Sacraments.

959
01:16:25,145 --> 01:16:27,551
For which he was
named "Defender of

960
01:16:27,552 --> 01:16:30,091
the Faith" by His
Holiness, the Pope.

961
01:16:30,191 --> 01:16:33,553
By the Bishop of Rome, or
do you insist on "pope"?

962
01:16:33,653 --> 01:16:37,823
No. "Bishop of Rome" if you like.
It doesn't alter his authority.

963
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:41,798
Thank you. You come
to the point very

964
01:16:41,799 --> 01:16:44,272
readily. What is that authority?

965
01:16:44,372 --> 01:16:46,440
For example, in the
Church of England...

966
01:16:46,540 --> 01:16:49,377
what exactly is the Bishop
of Rome's authority?

967
01:16:50,294 --> 01:16:54,632
You will find it very ably set out
and defended, Master Secretary...

968
01:16:54,882 --> 01:16:56,676
in the King's book.

969
01:16:57,259 --> 01:16:58,751
In the book published under the

970
01:16:58,752 --> 01:17:00,580
King's name, would
be more accurate.

971
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,165
- You wrote this book.
- I wrote no part of it.

972
01:17:03,265 --> 01:17:05,125
I don't mean you
actually held the pen.

973
01:17:05,225 --> 01:17:08,044
I answered to my best ability,
some points of common law...

974
01:17:08,144 --> 01:17:10,463
which the King put to me,
as I was bound to do.

975
01:17:10,563 --> 01:17:12,132
Do you deny you instigated it?

976
01:17:12,232 --> 01:17:15,802
It was from first to last
the King's own project.

977
01:17:15,902 --> 01:17:17,028
The King says not.

978
01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:22,826
The King knows the truth of it.

979
01:17:23,702 --> 01:17:25,979
And whatever he may
have said to you...

980
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:29,291
he will not give evidence
to support this accusation.

981
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:31,985
Why not?

982
01:17:32,085 --> 01:17:36,381
Because evidence is given on oath,
and he will not perjure himself.

983
01:17:36,965 --> 01:17:40,718
If you don't know that, then
you don't yet know him.

984
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:47,766
Sir Thomas More.

985
01:17:47,933 --> 01:17:49,126
Have you anything to say...

986
01:17:49,226 --> 01:17:51,603
regarding the King's
marriage with Queen Anne?

987
01:17:52,521 --> 01:17:54,840
I understood I was not
to be asked that again.

988
01:17:54,940 --> 01:17:57,051
Then you understood
wrongly. These charges...

989
01:17:57,151 --> 01:18:01,614
They are terrors for children,
Master Secretary, not for me.

990
01:18:07,328 --> 01:18:10,064
Then know that the King
commands me to charge you...

991
01:18:10,164 --> 01:18:12,750
in his name, with
great ingratitude.

992
01:18:13,541 --> 01:18:15,705
And to tell you that
there never was, nor

993
01:18:15,706 --> 01:18:17,612
could be, so villainous
a servant...

994
01:18:17,712 --> 01:18:20,590
nor so traitorous a
subject, as yourself.

995
01:18:22,425 --> 01:18:23,468
So...

996
01:18:26,179 --> 01:18:28,473
I am brought here at last.

997
01:18:29,432 --> 01:18:30,475
Brought?

998
01:18:31,768 --> 01:18:34,437
You've brought yourself
to where you stand now.

999
01:18:36,689 --> 01:18:37,857
You may go.

1000
01:18:43,404 --> 01:18:44,781
For the present.

1001
01:18:51,203 --> 01:18:52,829
What will you do now?

1002
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,917
Whatever's necessary.

1003
01:19:05,884 --> 01:19:06,927
Boat.

1004
01:19:23,818 --> 01:19:26,821
Oh, come, come, it's not
as bad as all that.

1005
01:19:32,285 --> 01:19:33,536
Howard.

1006
01:19:39,583 --> 01:19:41,168
I can't get home.

1007
01:19:41,919 --> 01:19:43,754
They won't bring me a boat.

1008
01:19:44,046 --> 01:19:45,798
Do you blame them?

1009
01:19:45,965 --> 01:19:47,591
Is it as bad as that?

1010
01:19:48,050 --> 01:19:50,386
It's every bit as bad as that.

1011
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:53,998
Then it's good of you
to be seen with me.

1012
01:19:54,098 --> 01:19:55,683
I followed you.

1013
01:19:56,808 --> 01:19:58,560
Were you followed?

1014
01:20:09,112 --> 01:20:11,306
- You're dangerous to know.
- Then don't know me.

1015
01:20:11,406 --> 01:20:13,350
- I do know you.
- I mean as a friend.

1016
01:20:13,450 --> 01:20:16,054
I am your friend. I wish
I wasn't, but I am.

1017
01:20:16,055 --> 01:20:17,495
What's to be done then?

1018
01:20:17,621 --> 01:20:19,689
- Give in.
- I can't give in, Howard.

1019
01:20:19,789 --> 01:20:22,067
Our friendship's more
mutable than that.

1020
01:20:22,167 --> 01:20:24,903
The one fixed point in the
world of turning friendship...

1021
01:20:25,003 --> 01:20:26,675
is that, Sir More won't give in.

1022
01:20:26,676 --> 01:20:28,740
To me it has to be,
for that's myself.

1023
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,467
Affection goes as deep
in me as you, I think.

1024
01:20:31,925 --> 01:20:34,435
But only God is
love right through,

1025
01:20:34,436 --> 01:20:36,388
Howard, and that's my self.

1026
01:20:37,973 --> 01:20:39,350
And who are you?

1027
01:20:41,101 --> 01:20:43,170
A lawyer. And a lawyer's son.

1028
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:45,231
We're supposed to
be the proud ones,

1029
01:20:45,232 --> 01:20:47,299
the arrogant ones,
we've all given in.

1030
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:49,051
Why must you stand out?

1031
01:20:49,151 --> 01:20:52,529
Goddammit man. It's
disproportionate.

1032
01:20:55,741 --> 01:20:57,326
You'll break my heart.

1033
01:20:58,535 --> 01:21:02,414
No one is safe, Howard,
and you have a son.

1034
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:08,044
We'll end our friendship now.

1035
01:21:08,461 --> 01:21:10,588
- For friendship's sake?
- Yes.

1036
01:21:11,381 --> 01:21:12,381
Daft.

1037
01:21:20,056 --> 01:21:21,975
Norfolk, you're a fool.

1038
01:21:23,393 --> 01:21:25,837
You can't place a quarrel,
you haven't the style.

1039
01:21:25,937 --> 01:21:27,768
Hear me out. You and
your class have

1040
01:21:27,769 --> 01:21:29,549
given in, as you
rightly call it...

1041
01:21:29,649 --> 01:21:32,635
because this country's religion
means nothing to you at all.

1042
01:21:32,735 --> 01:21:34,988
Well, that's a foolish
saying for a start.

1043
01:21:35,947 --> 01:21:37,473
The nobility of England...

1044
01:21:37,573 --> 01:21:39,437
The nobility of England would have

1045
01:21:39,438 --> 01:21:41,685
snored through the
Sermon on the Mount.

1046
01:21:41,785 --> 01:21:45,580
But you'll labour like scholars
over a bulldog's pedigree.

1047
01:21:46,081 --> 01:21:47,941
An artificial quarrel
is not a quarrel.

1048
01:21:48,041 --> 01:21:49,922
We've had a quarrel
since the day we

1049
01:21:49,923 --> 01:21:51,753
met. Our friendship
was mere sloth.

1050
01:21:52,045 --> 01:21:54,865
You can be cruel when you want,
but I've always known that.

1051
01:21:54,965 --> 01:21:58,176
What do you value in your
bulldogs? Gripping, is it not?

1052
01:22:00,178 --> 01:22:01,413
- Yes.
- It's their nature?

1053
01:22:01,513 --> 01:22:03,290
- Yes.
- It's why you breed them?

1054
01:22:03,390 --> 01:22:04,600
It's so with men.

1055
01:22:05,017 --> 01:22:07,002
I will not give in,
because I oppose it.

1056
01:22:07,102 --> 01:22:09,935
Not my pride, not
my spleen, nor any

1057
01:22:09,936 --> 01:22:12,691
other of my appetites,
but I do, I.

1058
01:22:13,566 --> 01:22:15,782
Is there, in the midst
of all this muscle,

1059
01:22:15,783 --> 01:22:17,637
no sinew that serves
no appetite...

1060
01:22:17,737 --> 01:22:20,056
of Norfolk's, but is
just Norfolk? There is.

1061
01:22:20,156 --> 01:22:21,613
Give that some exercise, my lord.

1062
01:22:21,614 --> 01:22:22,614
Thomas.

1063
01:22:22,615 --> 01:22:25,228
As you stand you'll go before
your Maker ill conditioned.

1064
01:22:25,328 --> 01:22:26,328
Now steady.

1065
01:22:26,329 --> 01:22:28,610
And he'll think that,
somewhere back along

1066
01:22:28,611 --> 01:22:31,042
your pedigree, a bitch
got over the wall.

1067
01:22:45,431 --> 01:22:49,476
Cast in this very house
on April 3, last year...

1068
01:22:49,851 --> 01:22:54,214
it is a matter very fit for
the Commons, gathered here...

1069
01:22:54,314 --> 01:22:56,900
in parliament, to take in hand.

1070
01:22:57,150 --> 01:23:01,321
Or, in consequence of
the decay of guilds...

1071
01:23:01,613 --> 01:23:05,725
the woollen cloth, now coming
out of Yorkshire, Lincoln...

1072
01:23:05,825 --> 01:23:09,329
and the like, is not
to blame and this...

1073
01:23:11,456 --> 01:23:14,626
I will defer the rest
of my matter to later.

1074
01:23:22,132 --> 01:23:24,237
That the loyal Commons,
here assembled,

1075
01:23:24,238 --> 01:23:26,553
will speedily enact
this bill, I doubt not.

1076
01:23:26,804 --> 01:23:29,125
For as much as it
concerns the King's new

1077
01:23:29,126 --> 01:23:31,225
title and his marriage
to Queen Anne.

1078
01:23:31,517 --> 01:23:35,271
Both matters pleasing
to a loyal subject.

1079
01:23:36,897 --> 01:23:38,649
Mark, my Masters...

1080
01:23:38,983 --> 01:23:43,487
there is among us a brood
of discreet traitors...

1081
01:23:43,862 --> 01:23:46,182
to which deceit the King
can brook no longer.

1082
01:23:46,282 --> 01:23:49,492
And we, his loyal
huntsmen, must now drive

1083
01:23:49,493 --> 01:23:52,329
these subtle foxes
from their covert.

1084
01:24:21,065 --> 01:24:22,065
Father?

1085
01:24:22,066 --> 01:24:23,151
Margaret.

1086
01:24:24,736 --> 01:24:26,446
I couldn't get a boat.

1087
01:24:26,988 --> 01:24:28,598
What is it, Meg?

1088
01:24:28,698 --> 01:24:31,366
Father, there's a new act
going through parliament.

1089
01:24:33,577 --> 01:24:36,063
And by this act, they're going
to administer an oath...

1090
01:24:36,163 --> 01:24:37,956
about the marriage.

1091
01:24:38,624 --> 01:24:40,375
On what compulsion is the oath?

1092
01:24:41,627 --> 01:24:43,946
- High treason.
- But what is the wording?

1093
01:24:44,046 --> 01:24:46,406
Do the words matter?
We know what it means.

1094
01:24:46,506 --> 01:24:47,616
Tell me the words.

1095
01:24:47,716 --> 01:24:50,410
An oath is made of words. It
may be possible to take it.

1096
01:24:50,510 --> 01:24:51,510
Take it?

1097
01:24:51,511 --> 01:24:53,639
And if it can be taken,
you must take it, too.

1098
01:24:54,473 --> 01:24:55,473
No.

1099
01:24:55,474 --> 01:24:59,895
Listen, Meg. God made the
angels to show him splendour.

1100
01:25:00,395 --> 01:25:05,107
As he made animals for innocence
and plants for their simplicity.

1101
01:25:05,232 --> 01:25:07,316
But Man he made to serve him

1102
01:25:07,317 --> 01:25:10,071
wittily, in the
tangle of his mind.

1103
01:25:10,529 --> 01:25:13,850
If he suffers us to come to such a
case that there is no escaping...

1104
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:16,769
then we may stand to our
tackle as best we can.

1105
01:25:16,869 --> 01:25:19,299
And yes, Meg, then
we can clamour like

1106
01:25:19,300 --> 01:25:21,916
champions, if we have
the spittle for it.

1107
01:25:22,249 --> 01:25:26,195
But it's God's part, not our own,
to bring ourselves to such a pass.

1108
01:25:26,295 --> 01:25:29,674
Our natural business
lies in escaping.

1109
01:25:31,884 --> 01:25:33,886
If I can take this oath, I will.

1110
01:25:38,975 --> 01:25:40,792
I would, for my sake, you
could take the oath.

1111
01:25:40,892 --> 01:25:43,478
I never took a man into
the Tower less willingly.

1112
01:25:43,895 --> 01:25:45,730
Thank you, Master Governor.

1113
01:25:48,733 --> 01:25:50,110
Thank you.

1114
01:25:52,404 --> 01:25:53,571
Sir Thomas.

1115
01:27:27,204 --> 01:27:28,413
Sir Thomas.

1116
01:27:31,583 --> 01:27:32,834
Sir Thomas.

1117
01:27:53,522 --> 01:27:55,524
This is iniquitous.

1118
01:27:59,277 --> 01:28:01,654
- Where to this time?
- Richmond Palace.

1119
01:28:58,793 --> 01:29:00,128
Sit down.

1120
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,955
This is the Seventh Commission
to inquire into the case...

1121
01:29:11,055 --> 01:29:14,041
of, Sir Thomas More, appointed
by His Majesty's Council.

1122
01:29:14,141 --> 01:29:16,085
Have you anything to say?

1123
01:29:16,185 --> 01:29:17,269
No.

1124
01:29:20,105 --> 01:29:22,049
- Seen this document before?
- Many times.

1125
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:23,759
It is the Act of Succession.

1126
01:29:23,859 --> 01:29:26,345
These are the names of those
who have sworn to it.

1127
01:29:26,445 --> 01:29:28,275
I have, as you say,
seen it before.

1128
01:29:28,276 --> 01:29:29,431
Will you swear to it?

1129
01:29:29,531 --> 01:29:30,616
No.

1130
01:29:31,450 --> 01:29:33,410
Thomas, we must know...

1131
01:29:37,456 --> 01:29:39,252
We must know plainly whether you

1132
01:29:39,253 --> 01:29:41,609
recognise the offspring
of Queen Anne...

1133
01:29:41,709 --> 01:29:43,695
as heirs to the throne.

1134
01:29:43,795 --> 01:29:46,406
The King in parliament
tells me that they are.

1135
01:29:46,506 --> 01:29:48,832
- Of course I recognise them.
- Will you swear to it?

1136
01:29:48,833 --> 01:29:49,880
Yes.

1137
01:29:49,881 --> 01:29:52,120
Then why won't he
swear to the act?

1138
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:55,039
Because there is more
than that in the act.

1139
01:29:55,139 --> 01:29:57,238
Just so. Sir Thomas,
it states in the

1140
01:29:57,239 --> 01:29:59,669
preamble that the King's
former marriage...

1141
01:29:59,769 --> 01:30:01,754
to the Lady Catherine
was unlawful...

1142
01:30:01,854 --> 01:30:04,121
she being his brother's
widow and the

1143
01:30:04,122 --> 01:30:06,567
Pope having no authority
to sanction it.

1144
01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:09,737
Is that what you deny?

1145
01:30:15,701 --> 01:30:17,786
Is that what you dispute?

1146
01:30:24,293 --> 01:30:27,212
Is that what you are not sure of?

1147
01:30:33,427 --> 01:30:35,741
You insult His Majesty
and Council in

1148
01:30:35,742 --> 01:30:37,873
the person of the Lord Archbishop.

1149
01:30:37,973 --> 01:30:39,208
I insult no one.

1150
01:30:39,308 --> 01:30:43,186
I will not take the oath. I will
not tell you why I will not.

1151
01:30:43,312 --> 01:30:45,504
Then your reasons
must be treasonable.

1152
01:30:45,505 --> 01:30:46,840
Not "must be," may be.

1153
01:30:46,940 --> 01:30:48,633
It's a fair assumption.

1154
01:30:48,733 --> 01:30:50,405
The law requires more than an

1155
01:30:50,406 --> 01:30:52,595
assumption, the law
requires a fact.

1156
01:30:52,695 --> 01:30:55,890
Of course, I cannot judge your
legal standing in the case...

1157
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:58,809
but until I know the ground
of your objections...

1158
01:30:58,909 --> 01:31:02,914
I can only guess your
spiritual standing, too.

1159
01:31:03,289 --> 01:31:05,333
If you're willing to
guess that, it should

1160
01:31:05,334 --> 01:31:07,235
be small matter to
guess my objections.

1161
01:31:07,335 --> 01:31:09,320
Then you do have
objections to the act?

1162
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:11,255
Well, we know that, Cromwell.

1163
01:31:11,464 --> 01:31:12,824
No, my lord, you don't.

1164
01:31:12,924 --> 01:31:14,993
You may suppose I have
objections, all you

1165
01:31:14,994 --> 01:31:16,869
know is that I will
not swear to it...

1166
01:31:16,969 --> 01:31:20,014
for which you cannot
lawfully harm me further.

1167
01:31:20,264 --> 01:31:22,499
But if you were right
in supposing me

1168
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:24,793
to have objections,
and right again...

1169
01:31:24,893 --> 01:31:27,420
in supposing my objections
to be treasonable...

1170
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,857
the law would let you
cut my head off.

1171
01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:33,985
Oh, yes.

1172
01:31:35,153 --> 01:31:36,763
Well done, Sir Thomas.

1173
01:31:36,863 --> 01:31:40,851
I've been trying to make that
clear to His Grace for some time.

1174
01:31:40,951 --> 01:31:43,228
Oh, confound all this.
I'm not a scholar.

1175
01:31:43,328 --> 01:31:45,480
I don't know if the marriage
was lawful or not...

1176
01:31:45,580 --> 01:31:47,666
but damn it, Thomas,
look at these names.

1177
01:31:48,166 --> 01:31:51,628
Why can't you do as I did, and
come with us, for fellowship?

1178
01:31:53,088 --> 01:31:54,982
And when we die, and
you are sent to

1179
01:31:54,983 --> 01:31:56,824
heaven for doing
your conscience...

1180
01:31:56,924 --> 01:31:59,541
and I am sent to hell
for not doing mine,

1181
01:31:59,542 --> 01:32:01,971
will you come with
me, for fellowship?

1182
01:32:03,264 --> 01:32:06,542
So, those of us whose names are
there, are damned, Sir Thomas?

1183
01:32:06,642 --> 01:32:09,628
I have no window to look into
another man's conscience.

1184
01:32:09,728 --> 01:32:11,005
I condemn no one.

1185
01:32:11,105 --> 01:32:13,032
Then the matter is
capable of question?

1186
01:32:13,033 --> 01:32:14,074
Certainly.

1187
01:32:14,075 --> 01:32:17,011
But that you owe obedience to the
King is not capable of question.

1188
01:32:17,111 --> 01:32:20,322
So weigh a doubt against
a certainty and sign.

1189
01:32:23,284 --> 01:32:28,330
Some men think the earth is
round, others think it flat.

1190
01:32:28,539 --> 01:32:31,082
It is a matter
capable of question.

1191
01:32:31,874 --> 01:32:36,154
But if it is flat, will the
King's command make it round?

1192
01:32:36,254 --> 01:32:39,591
And if it is round, will the
King's command flatten it?

1193
01:32:40,425 --> 01:32:43,303
No, I will not sign.

1194
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,123
Then you have more regard for your
own doubt than the King's command?

1195
01:32:47,223 --> 01:32:49,501
- For myself I have no doubt.
- No doubt of what?

1196
01:32:49,601 --> 01:32:51,878
No doubt that I will
not take this oath.

1197
01:32:51,978 --> 01:32:53,908
But why I will not, you, Master

1198
01:32:53,909 --> 01:32:56,274
Secretary, will not
trick out of me.

1199
01:32:56,691 --> 01:32:59,569
I might get it out of
you in other ways.

1200
01:33:00,820 --> 01:33:03,406
You threaten like
a dockside bully.

1201
01:33:03,573 --> 01:33:04,807
How should I threaten?

1202
01:33:04,907 --> 01:33:08,744
Like a minister of
state, with justice.

1203
01:33:09,453 --> 01:33:12,080
Justice is what you're
threatened with.

1204
01:33:12,205 --> 01:33:14,082
Then I am not threatened.

1205
01:33:20,464 --> 01:33:22,758
Gentlemen, can't I go to bed?

1206
01:33:22,966 --> 01:33:25,309
Aye. The prisoner may
retire as he requests.

1207
01:33:25,310 --> 01:33:26,310
Unless you...

1208
01:33:26,376 --> 01:33:28,680
I see no purpose in
prolonging this.

1209
01:33:32,684 --> 01:33:35,812
Then, goodnight, Thomas.

1210
01:33:40,983 --> 01:33:43,486
May I have one or two more books?

1211
01:33:44,362 --> 01:33:45,863
Why, you have books?

1212
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:47,280
Yes.

1213
01:33:47,281 --> 01:33:49,825
I didn't know, you shouldn't have.

1214
01:33:58,084 --> 01:33:59,902
May I see my family?

1215
01:34:00,002 --> 01:34:01,087
No.

1216
01:34:07,551 --> 01:34:08,594
Captain.

1217
01:34:08,886 --> 01:34:10,596
Master Secretary?

1218
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:13,308
Have you ever heard
the prisoner speak

1219
01:34:13,309 --> 01:34:15,041
of the King's
divorce, supremacy...

1220
01:34:15,141 --> 01:34:17,419
- or the King's marriage?
- No, not a word.

1221
01:34:17,519 --> 01:34:20,230
If he does, you will
repeat it to me.

1222
01:34:21,231 --> 01:34:22,607
Of course.

1223
01:34:27,737 --> 01:34:28,737
Rich.

1224
01:34:28,738 --> 01:34:29,748
Secretary?

1225
01:34:29,749 --> 01:34:32,409
Tomorrow morning, remove
the prisoner's books.

1226
01:34:32,576 --> 01:34:34,269
Is that necessary?

1227
01:34:34,369 --> 01:34:37,397
With regards to this case, the
King is becoming impatient.

1228
01:34:37,497 --> 01:34:39,357
- Aye, with you.
- With all of us.

1229
01:34:39,457 --> 01:34:42,752
The King's impatience will
embrace a duke or two.

1230
01:34:52,553 --> 01:34:54,013
Master Secretary.

1231
01:34:55,973 --> 01:34:58,142
Sir Redvers Llewellyn has retired.

1232
01:34:59,143 --> 01:35:01,186
The Attorney General for Wales.

1233
01:35:01,437 --> 01:35:03,230
His post is vacant.

1234
01:35:04,356 --> 01:35:06,567
You said that I
might approach you.

1235
01:35:07,735 --> 01:35:09,695
Not now, Rich.

1236
01:35:12,781 --> 01:35:14,992
He must submit. He must.

1237
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:17,202
Rack him.

1238
01:35:21,206 --> 01:35:24,918
No. The King's conscience
will not permit it.

1239
01:35:25,293 --> 01:35:27,670
We have to find some other way.

1240
01:35:36,971 --> 01:35:38,389
Sir Thomas.

1241
01:35:40,725 --> 01:35:41,725
Father.

1242
01:35:41,726 --> 01:35:43,102
What? Margaret?

1243
01:35:43,978 --> 01:35:45,480
Father.

1244
01:35:46,189 --> 01:35:49,342
Meg. For God's sake, they
haven't put you in here?

1245
01:35:49,442 --> 01:35:51,845
- No, sir, a visit.
- A brief one, Sir Thomas.

1246
01:35:51,945 --> 01:35:53,363
Father.

1247
01:35:54,405 --> 01:35:56,741
- Good morning, husband.
- Good morning.

1248
01:36:00,327 --> 01:36:02,120
Good morning, Will.

1249
01:36:07,501 --> 01:36:09,836
Well, this is a hellish place.

1250
01:36:10,087 --> 01:36:13,115
Except it's keeping me from
you, my dears, it isn't so bad.

1251
01:36:13,215 --> 01:36:14,950
It's remarkably like
any other place.

1252
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:17,970
- It drips.
- Yes. It's too near the river.

1253
01:36:29,856 --> 01:36:30,983
Well, what is it?

1254
01:36:33,442 --> 01:36:36,988
Father, come out. Swear
to the act and come out.

1255
01:36:39,198 --> 01:36:41,367
Is this why they've let you come?

1256
01:36:41,492 --> 01:36:42,535
Yes.

1257
01:36:45,246 --> 01:36:47,498
Meg's under oath to persuade you.

1258
01:36:49,166 --> 01:36:51,002
That was silly, Meg.

1259
01:36:59,343 --> 01:37:01,512
How do you plan to do that?

1260
01:37:03,556 --> 01:37:04,765
Father.

1261
01:37:05,391 --> 01:37:07,203
"God more regards
the thoughts of the

1262
01:37:07,204 --> 01:37:08,919
heart than the words
of the mouth."

1263
01:37:09,019 --> 01:37:11,379
- Well, so you've always told me.
- Yes.

1264
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,633
Then say the words of the oath and
in your heart think otherwise.

1265
01:37:14,733 --> 01:37:17,986
What is an oath then, but
words we say to God?

1266
01:37:24,659 --> 01:37:25,952
Listen, Meg.

1267
01:37:26,745 --> 01:37:28,959
When a man takes an
oath, he's holding

1268
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,832
his own self in his own hands...

1269
01:37:31,124 --> 01:37:32,417
like water.

1270
01:37:32,626 --> 01:37:35,184
And if he opens his
fingers then, he

1271
01:37:35,185 --> 01:37:37,672
needn't hope to
find himself again.

1272
01:37:38,882 --> 01:37:41,399
Some men aren't capable
of this, but I'd be

1273
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,802
loathed to think your
father one of them.

1274
01:37:46,931 --> 01:37:49,308
- I have another argument.
- Oh, Meg.

1275
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,186
In any state that
was half good, you

1276
01:37:52,187 --> 01:37:54,772
would be raised up
high, not here...

1277
01:37:54,939 --> 01:37:57,942
- for what you've done already.
- All right.

1278
01:37:58,275 --> 01:38:00,885
It's not your fault the
state's three-quarters bad.

1279
01:38:00,886 --> 01:38:01,920
No.

1280
01:38:01,921 --> 01:38:04,530
If you elect to suffer for
it, you elect to be a hero.

1281
01:38:04,531 --> 01:38:06,075
That's very neat.

1282
01:38:06,575 --> 01:38:08,935
But look now. If we
lived in a state

1283
01:38:08,936 --> 01:38:10,913
where virtue was profitable...

1284
01:38:11,247 --> 01:38:13,524
common sense would
make us saintly.

1285
01:38:13,624 --> 01:38:18,044
But since we see that avarice,
anger, pride and stupidity...

1286
01:38:18,294 --> 01:38:20,944
commonly profit far
beyond charity,

1287
01:38:20,945 --> 01:38:23,299
modesty, justice and thought...

1288
01:38:23,466 --> 01:38:26,052
perhaps we must stand
fast a little...

1289
01:38:26,219 --> 01:38:28,721
even at the risk of being heroes.

1290
01:38:33,393 --> 01:38:34,794
But in reason.

1291
01:38:34,894 --> 01:38:38,356
Haven't you done as much as
God can reasonably want?

1292
01:38:43,111 --> 01:38:47,031
Well, finally it isn't
a matter of reason.

1293
01:38:47,156 --> 01:38:49,533
Finally, it's a matter of love.

1294
01:38:52,786 --> 01:38:55,898
You're content then to be shut
up here with mice and rats...

1295
01:38:55,998 --> 01:38:58,275
- when you might be home with us?
- Content?

1296
01:38:58,375 --> 01:39:00,890
If they'd open a crack
that wide, I'd be

1297
01:39:00,891 --> 01:39:03,589
through it like a bird
and back to Chelsea.

1298
01:39:08,218 --> 01:39:10,913
I haven't told you what the
house is like without you.

1299
01:39:11,013 --> 01:39:12,164
Don't, Meg.

1300
01:39:12,264 --> 01:39:14,513
What we do in the
evening without you.

1301
01:39:14,514 --> 01:39:15,514
Meg, have done.

1302
01:39:15,601 --> 01:39:17,853
We don't read because
we've no candles.

1303
01:39:18,061 --> 01:39:20,923
We don't talk because we wonder
what they're doing to you.

1304
01:39:21,023 --> 01:39:23,716
The King is more merciful.
He doesn't use the rack.

1305
01:39:23,816 --> 01:39:25,551
Two minutes to go, sir.

1306
01:39:25,651 --> 01:39:28,321
- I thought you'd like to know.
- Two minutes.

1307
01:39:28,946 --> 01:39:31,490
- Jailer.
- Sorry, sir. Two minutes.

1308
01:39:33,284 --> 01:39:35,263
Listen, you must
leave the country.

1309
01:39:35,264 --> 01:39:37,188
All of you must leave the country.

1310
01:39:37,288 --> 01:39:39,273
- And leave you?
- It makes no difference.

1311
01:39:39,373 --> 01:39:41,150
They won't let me see you again.

1312
01:39:41,250 --> 01:39:44,153
You must all go on the same
day, but not on the same boat.

1313
01:39:44,253 --> 01:39:46,296
Different boats from
different ports.

1314
01:39:46,297 --> 01:39:47,573
After the trial, then.

1315
01:39:47,673 --> 01:39:50,259
There'll be no trial,
they have no case.

1316
01:39:51,844 --> 01:39:53,846
Do this for me, I beseech you.

1317
01:39:53,971 --> 01:39:55,790
- Will?
- Yes, sir.

1318
01:39:55,890 --> 01:39:57,724
- Margaret?
- Yes.

1319
01:39:58,391 --> 01:39:59,434
Alice?

1320
01:40:05,398 --> 01:40:08,151
- Alice, I command you.
- Right.

1321
01:40:15,533 --> 01:40:17,535
This is splendid.

1322
01:40:18,245 --> 01:40:21,106
- I know who packed this.
- I packed it.

1323
01:40:21,206 --> 01:40:22,249
Yes.

1324
01:40:25,001 --> 01:40:27,571
You still make a superlative
custard, Alice.

1325
01:40:27,671 --> 01:40:28,755
Do I?

1326
01:40:31,299 --> 01:40:33,634
That's a nice dress you have on.

1327
01:40:34,969 --> 01:40:36,720
Nice colour anyway.

1328
01:40:37,012 --> 01:40:39,139
My God, you think little of me.

1329
01:40:39,723 --> 01:40:40,723
I know I'm a fool...

1330
01:40:40,766 --> 01:40:44,003
but I'm not such a fool as to
be lamenting for my dresses...

1331
01:40:44,103 --> 01:40:46,564
or to relish complimenting
on my custards.

1332
01:40:46,730 --> 01:40:48,440
I'm well rebuked.

1333
01:40:49,817 --> 01:40:51,443
- Alice...
- No.

1334
01:40:54,613 --> 01:40:59,410
I'm sick with fear when I think
of the worst they may do to me.

1335
01:40:59,577 --> 01:41:01,953
But worse than that will be to go

1336
01:41:01,954 --> 01:41:04,690
with you not
understanding why I go.

1337
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:05,815
I don't.

1338
01:41:05,915 --> 01:41:08,588
If you can tell me
that you understand, I

1339
01:41:08,589 --> 01:41:11,070
might make a good
death, if I have to.

1340
01:41:11,170 --> 01:41:12,908
Your death's no good to me.

1341
01:41:12,909 --> 01:41:15,366
You must tell me
that you understand.

1342
01:41:15,466 --> 01:41:16,634
I don't.

1343
01:41:17,010 --> 01:41:18,786
I don't believe
this had to happen.

1344
01:41:18,886 --> 01:41:21,122
If you say that I don't
see how I'm to face it.

1345
01:41:21,222 --> 01:41:22,557
It's the truth.

1346
01:41:22,974 --> 01:41:26,144
- You're an honest woman.
- Much good may it do me.

1347
01:41:26,936 --> 01:41:29,130
I'll tell you what
I'm afraid of...

1348
01:41:29,230 --> 01:41:32,150
that when you've gone, I
shall hate you for it.

1349
01:41:36,571 --> 01:41:38,281
You mustn't, Alice.

1350
01:41:41,783 --> 01:41:43,076
You mustn't.

1351
01:41:47,789 --> 01:41:49,932
As for understanding,
I understand you're

1352
01:41:49,933 --> 01:41:52,127
the best man I ever met
or ever likely to.

1353
01:41:52,586 --> 01:41:54,706
And if you go, God knows why I

1354
01:41:54,707 --> 01:41:57,533
suppose, though as
God's my witness...

1355
01:41:57,633 --> 01:41:59,885
God's kept deadly quiet about it.

1356
01:42:00,594 --> 01:42:02,873
And if any one wants
to know my opinion

1357
01:42:02,874 --> 01:42:04,640
of the King and his Council...

1358
01:42:04,765 --> 01:42:07,434
he only has to ask for it.

1359
01:42:11,021 --> 01:42:14,358
Why, it's a lion I married.

1360
01:42:14,607 --> 01:42:16,400
A lion. A lion.

1361
01:42:22,323 --> 01:42:24,575
This is good.

1362
01:42:27,286 --> 01:42:28,663
It's very good.

1363
01:42:29,455 --> 01:42:31,165
Sorry, Sir Thomas.

1364
01:42:31,624 --> 01:42:33,776
- Oh, for pity's sake.
- Time's up, sir.

1365
01:42:33,876 --> 01:42:34,910
But one more minute.

1366
01:42:34,911 --> 01:42:36,696
You don't know what you're asking.

1367
01:42:36,796 --> 01:42:38,656
- Come along, Miss.
- For heaven's sake.

1368
01:42:38,756 --> 01:42:40,508
Now, don't do that, sir.

1369
01:42:43,427 --> 01:42:45,763
Now, madam, don't make trouble.

1370
01:42:48,683 --> 01:42:51,017
Come along, please, Lady Alice.

1371
01:42:54,896 --> 01:42:57,232
Take your muddy paws off me.

1372
01:42:57,774 --> 01:43:00,860
Filthy, stinking,
gutter-fed, turnkey.

1373
01:43:01,611 --> 01:43:03,905
I'll see you suffer for this.

1374
01:43:05,156 --> 01:43:06,408
Goodbye.

1375
01:43:21,548 --> 01:43:23,924
You must understand
my position, sir.

1376
01:43:24,258 --> 01:43:27,887
I'm a plain, simple man and I
just want to keep out of trouble.

1377
01:43:37,771 --> 01:43:42,401
Dear Lord Jesus, my soul
Saviour, clear my wits.

1378
01:43:43,736 --> 01:43:48,032
Dear Lady, Blessed Mother of God,
comfort my wife and daughter...

1379
01:43:48,991 --> 01:43:51,035
and forgive me for them.

1380
01:44:55,514 --> 01:44:57,437
Sir Thomas More, though you have

1381
01:44:57,438 --> 01:44:59,960
heinously offended the
King's majesty...

1382
01:45:00,060 --> 01:45:02,513
we hope that if
you'll even now fore

1383
01:45:02,514 --> 01:45:05,232
think and repent of
obstinate opinion...

1384
01:45:05,649 --> 01:45:08,442
you may still taste
his gracious pardon.

1385
01:45:09,819 --> 01:45:11,696
My lords, I thank you.

1386
01:45:12,446 --> 01:45:14,932
As for the matters you
may charge me with...

1387
01:45:15,032 --> 01:45:18,811
I fear from my present weakness,
that neither my wit...

1388
01:45:18,911 --> 01:45:21,163
nor my memory will serve...

1389
01:45:21,789 --> 01:45:23,791
to make sufficient answer.

1390
01:45:25,084 --> 01:45:27,378
I should be glad to sit down.

1391
01:45:27,545 --> 01:45:29,297
A chair for the prisoner.

1392
01:45:43,768 --> 01:45:46,004
Master Secretary Cromwell,
have you the charge?

1393
01:45:46,104 --> 01:45:48,523
- I have, my lord.
- Then read the charge.

1394
01:45:52,235 --> 01:45:55,514
"That you did wilfully and
maliciously deny and deprive...

1395
01:45:55,614 --> 01:45:59,451
"our liege, Lord Henry, of his
undoubted certain title...

1396
01:45:59,701 --> 01:46:02,621
"Supreme Head of the
Church in England."

1397
01:46:04,122 --> 01:46:07,417
But, I have never
denied this title.

1398
01:46:09,794 --> 01:46:13,632
At Westminster Hall, at Lambeth,
and again at Richmond...

1399
01:46:13,757 --> 01:46:16,258
you stubbornly refused the oath.

1400
01:46:16,425 --> 01:46:17,743
Was this no denial?

1401
01:46:17,843 --> 01:46:19,929
No, this was silence.

1402
01:46:20,262 --> 01:46:23,599
And for my silence, I am
punished with imprisonment.

1403
01:46:24,892 --> 01:46:26,633
Why have I been called again?

1404
01:46:26,634 --> 01:46:29,104
On a charge of high
treason, Sir Thomas.

1405
01:46:29,897 --> 01:46:32,942
For which the punishment
is not imprisonment.

1406
01:46:33,359 --> 01:46:34,443
Death...

1407
01:46:34,985 --> 01:46:37,363
comes for us all, my lords.

1408
01:46:37,655 --> 01:46:39,849
Yes, even for kings he comes.

1409
01:46:39,949 --> 01:46:43,035
The death of kings is not
in question, Sir Thomas.

1410
01:46:43,285 --> 01:46:46,330
Nor mine, I trust, until
I'm proven guilty.

1411
01:46:46,455 --> 01:46:49,858
Your life lies in your own
hands, Thomas, as it always has.

1412
01:46:49,958 --> 01:46:51,793
Is that so, my lord?

1413
01:46:52,418 --> 01:46:54,170
Then I'll keep a good grip on it.

1414
01:47:01,135 --> 01:47:02,720
So, Sir Thomas...

1415
01:47:03,304 --> 01:47:05,348
you stand on your silence?

1416
01:47:06,015 --> 01:47:07,183
I do.

1417
01:47:07,934 --> 01:47:10,019
But, gentlemen of the jury...

1418
01:47:10,812 --> 01:47:13,606
there are many kinds of silence.

1419
01:47:14,065 --> 01:47:17,193
Consider first the silence
of a man when he is dead.

1420
01:47:17,527 --> 01:47:20,680
Suppose we go into the room where
he is laid out and we listen.

1421
01:47:20,780 --> 01:47:21,948
What do we hear?

1422
01:47:23,449 --> 01:47:24,741
Silence.

1423
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,328
What does it betoken,
this silence?

1424
01:47:28,912 --> 01:47:31,582
Nothing. This is silence
pure and simple.

1425
01:47:31,915 --> 01:47:33,692
But let us take another case.

1426
01:47:33,792 --> 01:47:36,653
Suppose I were to take a
dagger from my sleeve...

1427
01:47:36,753 --> 01:47:38,739
and make to kill the
prisoner with it.

1428
01:47:38,839 --> 01:47:40,949
And my lordships there,
instead of crying

1429
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:43,160
out for me to stop,
maintain their silence.

1430
01:47:43,260 --> 01:47:45,178
That would betoken.

1431
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:48,807
It would betoken a willingness
that I should do it.

1432
01:47:49,016 --> 01:47:51,935
And under the law, they
would be guilty with me.

1433
01:47:52,895 --> 01:47:56,607
So silence can, according
to the circumstances...

1434
01:47:57,524 --> 01:47:58,649
speak.

1435
01:47:59,317 --> 01:48:01,877
Let us consider now
the circumstances

1436
01:48:01,878 --> 01:48:03,696
of the prisoner's silence.

1437
01:48:04,322 --> 01:48:06,261
The oath was put to
loyal subjects all

1438
01:48:06,262 --> 01:48:08,100
over the country who
all declared...

1439
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,353
His Grace's title to
be just and good.

1440
01:48:10,453 --> 01:48:13,539
But when it came to the
prisoner, he refused.

1441
01:48:15,458 --> 01:48:17,793
He calls this "silence."

1442
01:48:18,961 --> 01:48:21,714
Yet, is there a man
in this court...

1443
01:48:22,506 --> 01:48:25,468
Is there a man in this country...

1444
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:30,014
who does not know, Sir Thomas
More's opinion of this title?

1445
01:48:32,682 --> 01:48:34,517
Yet, how can this be?

1446
01:48:34,893 --> 01:48:37,854
Because this silence betokened...

1447
01:48:38,355 --> 01:48:43,276
nay, this silence was not silence
at all, but most eloquent denial.

1448
01:48:45,820 --> 01:48:47,072
Not so.

1449
01:48:48,990 --> 01:48:50,742
Not so, Master Secretary.

1450
01:48:53,536 --> 01:48:56,857
The maxim of the law is,
"Silence gives consent."

1451
01:48:56,957 --> 01:48:58,680
If, therefore, you
wish to construe

1452
01:48:58,681 --> 01:49:00,068
what my silence betokened...

1453
01:49:00,168 --> 01:49:04,381
you must construe that I
consented, not that I denied.

1454
01:49:05,674 --> 01:49:08,492
Is that in fact what the
world construes from it?

1455
01:49:08,592 --> 01:49:10,087
Do you pretend that is what you

1456
01:49:10,088 --> 01:49:11,871
wish the world to
construe from it?

1457
01:49:11,971 --> 01:49:15,266
The world must construe
according to its wits.

1458
01:49:15,432 --> 01:49:18,686
This court must construe
according to the law.

1459
01:49:28,237 --> 01:49:31,198
My lords, I wish to
call, Sir Richard Rich.

1460
01:49:32,866 --> 01:49:35,619
Richard Rich, come into court.

1461
01:49:35,911 --> 01:49:37,580
Richard Rich.

1462
01:49:58,892 --> 01:50:00,590
"I do swear the evidence I'll give

1463
01:50:00,591 --> 01:50:02,587
before the court shall
be the truth...

1464
01:50:02,687 --> 01:50:05,048
"the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth."

1465
01:50:05,148 --> 01:50:06,858
"So help me God," sir.

1466
01:50:07,275 --> 01:50:08,693
"So help me God."

1467
01:50:11,487 --> 01:50:15,240
Now Rich, on May 12,
you were at the Tower?

1468
01:50:15,532 --> 01:50:17,226
- I was.
- For what purpose?

1469
01:50:17,326 --> 01:50:19,603
I was sent to carry away
the prisoner's books.

1470
01:50:19,703 --> 01:50:21,939
- Did you talk with the prisoner?
- Yes.

1471
01:50:22,039 --> 01:50:24,775
Did you talk of the King's
supremacy of the Church?

1472
01:50:24,875 --> 01:50:25,918
Yes.

1473
01:50:26,210 --> 01:50:27,836
What did you say?

1474
01:50:28,503 --> 01:50:31,573
I said to him, "Supposing there
were an Act of Parliament...

1475
01:50:31,673 --> 01:50:34,326
"to say that I, Richard
Rich, were to be king.

1476
01:50:34,426 --> 01:50:37,346
"Would not you, Master
More, take me for king?"

1477
01:50:37,554 --> 01:50:39,014
"That I would," he said.

1478
01:50:42,768 --> 01:50:45,062
"For then you would be king."

1479
01:50:47,481 --> 01:50:48,523
Yes?

1480
01:50:49,815 --> 01:50:53,319
Then he said, "But I will
put you a higher case.

1481
01:50:54,028 --> 01:50:56,723
"How, if there were
an Act of Parliament,

1482
01:50:56,724 --> 01:50:59,033
to say that God
should not be God?"

1483
01:50:59,408 --> 01:51:01,441
This is true and then you said...

1484
01:51:01,442 --> 01:51:02,442
Silence.

1485
01:51:02,745 --> 01:51:03,955
Continue.

1486
01:51:06,624 --> 01:51:10,503
But then I said, "I will
put you a middle case.

1487
01:51:11,003 --> 01:51:13,656
"Parliament has made our
King Head of the Church.

1488
01:51:13,756 --> 01:51:15,758
"Why will you not accept him?"

1489
01:51:19,178 --> 01:51:20,263
Well?

1490
01:51:23,683 --> 01:51:27,477
And then he said, "Parliament
had not the power to do it."

1491
01:51:29,229 --> 01:51:31,481
Repeat the prisoner's words.

1492
01:51:33,275 --> 01:51:34,359
He said:

1493
01:51:35,777 --> 01:51:38,280
"Parliament had not
the competence."

1494
01:51:40,865 --> 01:51:42,742
Or words to that effect.

1495
01:51:43,034 --> 01:51:45,203
He denied the title.

1496
01:51:45,537 --> 01:51:46,872
He did.

1497
01:51:55,088 --> 01:52:00,009
In good faith, Rich, I am sorrier
for your perjury than my peril.

1498
01:52:00,134 --> 01:52:02,761
- Do you deny this?
- Yes.

1499
01:52:03,345 --> 01:52:05,138
You know if I were
a man who heeded

1500
01:52:05,139 --> 01:52:06,582
not the taking of an oath...

1501
01:52:06,682 --> 01:52:08,142
I need not be here.

1502
01:52:08,726 --> 01:52:11,228
Now, I will take an oath.

1503
01:52:13,063 --> 01:52:15,941
If what Master Rich
has said is true...

1504
01:52:16,358 --> 01:52:20,321
I pray I may never
see God in the face.

1505
01:52:21,363 --> 01:52:25,075
Which I would not say, were it
otherwise, for anything on earth.

1506
01:52:25,201 --> 01:52:27,912
- That is not evidence.
- Is it probable...

1507
01:52:28,704 --> 01:52:33,274
Is it probable that after so
long a silence on this...

1508
01:52:33,374 --> 01:52:35,944
the very point so
urgently sought of me...

1509
01:52:36,044 --> 01:52:39,839
I should open my mind
to such a man as that?

1510
01:52:41,424 --> 01:52:44,802
Sir Richard, do you wish
to modify your testimony?

1511
01:52:45,929 --> 01:52:47,038
No, my lord.

1512
01:52:47,138 --> 01:52:49,749
Is there anything you wish
to take away from it?

1513
01:52:49,849 --> 01:52:50,959
No, my lord.

1514
01:52:51,059 --> 01:52:52,936
Have you anything to add?

1515
01:52:53,228 --> 01:52:54,520
No, my lord.

1516
01:52:55,813 --> 01:52:59,067
- Have you, Sir Thomas?
- To what purpose?

1517
01:53:03,029 --> 01:53:04,697
I am a dead man.

1518
01:53:08,408 --> 01:53:10,327
You have your will of me.

1519
01:53:11,453 --> 01:53:13,789
Then the witness may withdraw.

1520
01:53:21,129 --> 01:53:24,341
There is one question I would
like to ask the witness.

1521
01:53:26,885 --> 01:53:30,097
That's a chain of office
you're wearing. May I see it?

1522
01:53:38,146 --> 01:53:39,523
The Red Dragon.

1523
01:53:39,856 --> 01:53:41,048
What's this?

1524
01:53:41,148 --> 01:53:44,277
Sir Richard is appointed
Attorney General for Wales.

1525
01:53:44,485 --> 01:53:45,820
For Wales.

1526
01:53:47,363 --> 01:53:49,949
Why Richard, it
profits a man nothing

1527
01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:52,535
to give his soul for
the whole world.

1528
01:53:54,412 --> 01:53:55,913
But for Wales.

1529
01:54:04,297 --> 01:54:05,798
My lords. I've done.

1530
01:54:06,883 --> 01:54:09,510
The jury will retire and
consider the evidence.

1531
01:54:11,596 --> 01:54:14,080
Considering the
evidence, it shouldn't

1532
01:54:14,081 --> 01:54:16,182
be necessary for them to retire.

1533
01:54:18,685 --> 01:54:20,353
Is it necessary?

1534
01:54:27,152 --> 01:54:29,905
Then is the prisoner
guilty or not guilty?

1535
01:54:35,076 --> 01:54:36,745
Guilty, my lord.

1536
01:54:47,255 --> 01:54:51,050
Sir Thomas More, you have been
found guilty of high treason.

1537
01:54:51,175 --> 01:54:53,636
- The sentence of the court...
- My lords.

1538
01:54:54,428 --> 01:54:58,390
When I was practising the law, the
manner was to ask the prisoner...

1539
01:54:58,515 --> 01:55:02,436
before pronouncing sentence,
if he had anything to say.

1540
01:55:02,811 --> 01:55:04,605
Have you anything to say?

1541
01:55:05,272 --> 01:55:06,315
Yes.

1542
01:55:17,451 --> 01:55:20,538
Since the court has
determined to condemn me...

1543
01:55:21,664 --> 01:55:23,415
God knoweth how...

1544
01:55:24,499 --> 01:55:27,794
I will now discharge my mind...

1545
01:55:28,378 --> 01:55:32,715
concerning the indictment
and the King's title.

1546
01:55:36,261 --> 01:55:40,765
The indictment is grounded
in an Act of Parliament...

1547
01:55:41,140 --> 01:55:43,960
which is directly repugnant...

1548
01:55:44,060 --> 01:55:47,730
to the law of God and
His Holy Church.

1549
01:55:47,897 --> 01:55:52,135
The supreme government of which
no temper able person...

1550
01:55:52,235 --> 01:55:56,406
may by any law presume
to take upon him.

1551
01:55:57,282 --> 01:55:58,991
This was granted...

1552
01:55:59,741 --> 01:56:01,243
by the mouth...

1553
01:56:01,994 --> 01:56:04,538
of our Saviour, Christ Himself...

1554
01:56:05,414 --> 01:56:09,960
to St. Peter and the bishops
of Rome whilst He lived...

1555
01:56:10,669 --> 01:56:13,964
and was personally present...

1556
01:56:16,383 --> 01:56:18,010
here on earth.

1557
01:56:20,262 --> 01:56:24,099
It is therefore
insufficient in law...

1558
01:56:24,725 --> 01:56:27,686
to charge any
Christian to obey it.

1559
01:56:29,146 --> 01:56:30,631
And more than this...

1560
01:56:30,731 --> 01:56:35,568
the immunity of the Church is
promised both in Magna Carta...

1561
01:56:35,693 --> 01:56:39,280
and in the King's own
coronation oath.

1562
01:56:41,115 --> 01:56:43,743
Now, we plainly see
you are malicious.

1563
01:56:44,243 --> 01:56:45,494
Not so.

1564
01:56:47,914 --> 01:56:49,999
I am the King's true subject...

1565
01:56:50,875 --> 01:56:54,503
and I pray for him
and all the realm.

1566
01:56:56,297 --> 01:56:57,882
I do none harm.

1567
01:56:59,050 --> 01:57:00,927
I say none harm.

1568
01:57:01,928 --> 01:57:04,222
I think none harm.

1569
01:57:06,307 --> 01:57:09,351
And if this be not enough
to keep a man alive...

1570
01:57:09,768 --> 01:57:13,355
then in good faith,
I long not to live.

1571
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:16,733
Nevertheless...

1572
01:57:17,692 --> 01:57:22,264
it is not for the supremacy that
you have sought my blood...

1573
01:57:22,364 --> 01:57:26,576
but because I would not
bend to the marriage.

1574
01:57:35,001 --> 01:57:38,129
You have been found
guilty of high treason.

1575
01:57:38,964 --> 01:57:42,007
The sentence of the court
is that you be taken...

1576
01:57:42,132 --> 01:57:44,051
to the Tower of London...

1577
01:57:46,178 --> 01:57:49,515
until the day hence
to the appointment...

1578
01:57:50,516 --> 01:57:52,601
for your execution.

1579
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,453
I am commanded by the
King to be brief...

1580
01:58:12,204 --> 01:58:15,124
and since I am the King's
obedient subject...

1581
01:58:15,665 --> 01:58:17,208
brief I will be.

1582
01:58:18,710 --> 01:58:21,963
I die His Majesty's
good servant...

1583
01:58:22,964 --> 01:58:24,549
but God's first.

1584
01:58:31,389 --> 01:58:33,683
I forgive you, right readily.

1585
01:58:39,731 --> 01:58:42,025
Be not afraid of your office.

1586
01:58:42,442 --> 01:58:44,152
You send me to God.

1587
01:58:46,613 --> 01:58:48,556
You're very sure of
that, Sir Thomas?

1588
01:58:48,656 --> 01:58:51,992
He will not refuse one who
is so blithe to go to him.

1589
01:59:14,765 --> 01:59:18,210
Thomas More's head was stuck
on Traitor's Gate for a month.

1590
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:20,390
Then his daughter,
Margaret, removed

1591
01:59:20,391 --> 01:59:22,189
it and kept it until her death.

1592
01:59:22,981 --> 01:59:26,901
Cromwell was beheaded for high
treason five years after More.

1593
01:59:27,401 --> 01:59:30,071
The Archbishop was
burned at the stake.

1594
01:59:30,696 --> 01:59:33,850
The Duke of Norfolk should have
been executed for high treason...

1595
01:59:33,950 --> 01:59:36,953
but the King died of
syphilis the night before.

1596
01:59:37,912 --> 01:59:40,831
Richard Rich became
Chancellor of England...

1597
01:59:41,457 --> 01:59:43,292
and died in his bed.