1 00:00:28,487 --> 00:00:30,030 Hey, one, two, three 2 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:38,372 Now, red Solo cup Is the best receptacle 3 00:00:38,497 --> 00:00:41,250 For barbecues, tailgates, Fairs and festivals 4 00:00:41,375 --> 00:00:44,002 And you, sir, do not have A pair of testicles 5 00:00:44,127 --> 00:00:47,256 If you prefer drinking From glass, whoo 6 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:49,883 Red Solo cup 7 00:00:50,008 --> 00:00:51,635 I fill you up 8 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,054 Let's have a party 9 00:00:55,097 --> 00:00:57,599 Let's have a party 10 00:00:57,724 --> 00:01:00,519 I love you, red Solo cup 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,355 I lift you up 12 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,278 Proceed to party, proceed to party 13 00:01:10,279 --> 00:01:13,031 Now, I really love How you're easy to stack 14 00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:15,826 But I really hate How you're easy to crack 15 00:01:15,951 --> 00:01:18,787 'Cause when beer runs down the front of my back 16 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:21,790 Well, that, my friends Is quite yucky 17 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:24,501 But I have to admit That the ladies get smitten 18 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:26,336 Admiring how sharply 19 00:01:26,461 --> 00:01:28,046 My first name is written 20 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:30,340 On you with a Sharpie when I get to hitting 21 00:01:30,465 --> 00:01:33,594 On them to help me get lucky 22 00:01:33,677 --> 00:01:35,178 Red Solo cup 23 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:38,056 I fill you up 24 00:01:38,181 --> 00:01:40,976 Let's have a party 25 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:45,272 Proceed to party 26 00:01:46,857 --> 00:01:49,401 Solo cup 27 00:01:49,526 --> 00:01:52,571 Solo cup 28 00:01:52,696 --> 00:01:55,449 Solo cup 29 00:01:55,574 --> 00:01:58,368 Solo cup ooh, doodle, da, doo 30 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:01,288 Solo cup 31 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:04,333 Solo cup De, dum, dum 32 00:02:04,458 --> 00:02:07,002 Solo cup Ooh, de, da, bah 33 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:21,183 The potential in this room is astounding. 34 00:02:21,391 --> 00:02:23,769 I love the potential. Hundred percent. 35 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:25,479 It's a world of infinite possibilities. 36 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:27,314 Infinite. Hundred percent. 37 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:29,816 How many "Y"s do I put in "Hey" at this time of night? 38 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:31,318 Is it before 2:00 a.m.? Yeah. 39 00:02:31,443 --> 00:02:32,778 Two "Y"s. Okay. 40 00:02:32,903 --> 00:02:34,946 Three is thirsty. Thirsty. 41 00:02:35,072 --> 00:02:37,032 And one is curt. 42 00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:38,450 You know what I was thinking about? 43 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:40,077 Cookie dough became so popular. 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,412 It's 'cause it's not finished. It could still be anything. 45 00:02:42,496 --> 00:02:43,747 Hundred percent. 46 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:45,457 Making cookies out of cookie dough is just a suggestion. 47 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:46,708 Hundred percent. That's what they say 48 00:02:46,833 --> 00:02:48,335 you could do with it. Right. 49 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,004 And the same thing, like dating someone for more than a month. 50 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:53,090 It's just a serving suggestion. 51 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:54,341 Hundred percent. 52 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:56,093 "Kara question mark." That means I don't remember 53 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,511 where I met her. Okay. 54 00:02:57,636 --> 00:02:59,221 But it's a question mark with an exclamation point, 55 00:02:59,304 --> 00:03:00,806 which means I should want to follow up. 56 00:03:00,931 --> 00:03:02,307 Let's see what the options are first though. 57 00:03:02,391 --> 00:03:05,060 Yes. Exactly that. That's the world that we're living in. 58 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,479 You can just see what the options are for anything. 59 00:03:07,604 --> 00:03:08,689 Like with travel. 60 00:03:08,772 --> 00:03:10,399 You're not gonna just pick the first flight you see. 61 00:03:10,482 --> 00:03:11,566 You want to see all the flights. 62 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:12,734 That's a good thing. Yeah. 63 00:03:12,818 --> 00:03:13,902 You get the best flight that way. 64 00:03:13,985 --> 00:03:15,946 Why wouldn't you get the best person 65 00:03:16,071 --> 00:03:17,364 by looking at all the potential people? 66 00:03:17,447 --> 00:03:19,157 And how could you even expect to find one person 67 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:20,951 who could fulfill all of your needs? 68 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:24,496 It's easier just to find the most supportive person here. 69 00:03:24,579 --> 00:03:26,248 The funniest person here. Right. 70 00:03:26,331 --> 00:03:27,541 The best sex here. Right. 71 00:03:27,624 --> 00:03:28,667 The best advice here. 72 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:30,293 The second-best sex here. 73 00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:31,378 Hundred percent. 74 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:32,629 I don't ever want to go past 75 00:03:32,754 --> 00:03:34,548 knowing what someone's parents do for a living. 76 00:03:34,631 --> 00:03:36,091 If I know what someone's parents do for a living... 77 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:38,009 Right. Right. I've hung too long. 78 00:03:38,135 --> 00:03:39,136 Or, like, siblings. 79 00:03:39,219 --> 00:03:41,638 Like, why does anyone want to know about your siblings? 80 00:03:41,763 --> 00:03:43,432 Yeah. Especially so early. "How many siblings..." 81 00:03:43,557 --> 00:03:45,600 Has that ever changed whether you want to date somebody? 82 00:03:45,684 --> 00:03:46,893 It's like, "I have two sisters and a brother." 83 00:03:46,977 --> 00:03:48,061 Hold on. Well, I'm out of here. 84 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:49,312 I'm out of here. You know what I say? 85 00:03:49,396 --> 00:03:51,148 I only date only children or the oldest of three. 86 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,817 They say, "Exercise your options." It's like a muscle. 87 00:03:53,942 --> 00:03:55,986 Options are like a muscle. Yeah. 88 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:59,156 Some people are weak and atrophied, and they don't understand 89 00:03:59,281 --> 00:04:00,907 how to exercise their options. Yeah. 90 00:04:01,032 --> 00:04:04,411 My options are burly and strong and turgid. 91 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:05,620 Hundred percent. 92 00:04:05,704 --> 00:04:08,415 People say guys like us are afraid of commitment. 93 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:10,250 No. We're afraid of commitment 94 00:04:10,333 --> 00:04:11,752 to something we can't get out of. 95 00:04:11,835 --> 00:04:13,462 There's no such thing as fear of commitment. 96 00:04:13,545 --> 00:04:15,589 Fear of commitment is fear of regret. 97 00:04:15,672 --> 00:04:17,841 Hundred percent. Or fear of intimacy. 98 00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:19,968 Please, I'm intimate with everybody. 99 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:22,220 Do you ever wonder, 100 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:25,098 if you did find something deeper with somebody, 101 00:04:25,182 --> 00:04:27,434 if that would somehow be more meaningful? 102 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:29,144 I do, sometimes. 103 00:04:29,227 --> 00:04:32,230 Like right now, I'm casually dating, like, six or seven different women. 104 00:04:32,314 --> 00:04:34,483 But I do wonder, deep down, what it would be like 105 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:36,860 to seriously date two or three. 106 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:39,321 Even when I don't understand you, 107 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:41,698 I understand you better than I understand anybody. 108 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:43,700 - Hundred percent. - I love when we hang out. 109 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:45,827 This is like, if someone were recording this, 110 00:04:45,911 --> 00:04:47,329 that's what my podcast should be. 111 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:49,498 There should be, like, the sound of a stand-up bass 112 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:50,999 playing under me right now. 113 00:04:52,834 --> 00:04:53,877 Okay, I got one. 114 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:55,587 "Brunette Random House Party." 115 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:57,088 "Random House," the publisher? 116 00:04:57,172 --> 00:04:59,800 Or "random house," like a random house party? 117 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,011 "Emily Vogue." 118 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:04,846 I'm gonna go with "Kara question mark" 119 00:05:04,930 --> 00:05:06,932 'cause I feel like letting the universe surprise me tonight. 120 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:09,142 What a time to be alive. Hundred percent. 121 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:10,977 Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Hundred percent. 122 00:05:11,061 --> 00:05:12,479 Hundred percent. Hundred percent. 123 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:16,483 - I figured it out. - Figured what out? 124 00:05:17,192 --> 00:05:18,193 America. 125 00:05:18,735 --> 00:05:20,654 Okay. I know you're laughing, 126 00:05:20,737 --> 00:05:22,322 but I have a pitch you're really gonna like. 127 00:05:22,405 --> 00:05:23,657 America is divided, 128 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:25,826 but it's not for the reason that we think. 129 00:05:26,576 --> 00:05:28,954 We think that America's divided by geography, 130 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:32,290 red state, blue state, city, country. 131 00:05:32,415 --> 00:05:34,584 We're missing something far more profound. 132 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:36,378 America isn't divided by space. 133 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:38,171 America is divided by time. 134 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:40,882 We don't live in the moment anymore. And why would we, 135 00:05:40,966 --> 00:05:43,510 when we can live in any moment that's ever been recorded? 136 00:05:43,593 --> 00:05:45,846 And when we experience something we really love, 137 00:05:45,929 --> 00:05:48,682 our overwhelming instinct is to somehow file it away for later. 138 00:05:48,765 --> 00:05:49,850 That's interesting. 139 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:51,685 We don't watch movies in the theater. 140 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:53,603 We don't watch TV when it airs. 141 00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:57,023 We don't even have conversations at the same time 142 00:05:57,148 --> 00:05:58,275 because we text. 143 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,068 And when you text, I can say, "Hi," 144 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:02,112 and you can say "Hi" back in a second, 145 00:06:02,237 --> 00:06:03,864 or a minute. Or never. 146 00:06:03,947 --> 00:06:06,116 Or never 'cause it's you 147 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:08,702 and you're too busy producing the biggest podcast in America, 148 00:06:08,827 --> 00:06:10,579 which is kind of my point because we're all living 149 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:13,164 in our own individualized times. 150 00:06:13,248 --> 00:06:15,458 That's why we're living in divided times. 151 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:17,085 That's... I like that. 152 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:18,545 You like that? Ooh! Yeah. 153 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:20,797 So, what do you think? Do you think that's a story? 154 00:06:22,299 --> 00:06:23,508 It's a theory. 155 00:06:23,592 --> 00:06:25,510 A theory is a story. No, a theory is not a story. 156 00:06:25,635 --> 00:06:28,430 Yes, it is when it's about an idea. And America is an idea. 157 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:30,056 That's what makes it so great. 158 00:06:30,181 --> 00:06:32,309 So, if you're... No, America is its people. 159 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:34,102 That's what makes it so fucked up. 160 00:06:34,644 --> 00:06:38,523 Hey. Not every white guy in New York needs to have a podcast. 161 00:06:39,316 --> 00:06:40,859 You have the verified check mark. 162 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:43,737 You got the New Yorker position. I want something more. 163 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:47,616 I don't just want to be a writer. I want to be a voice. 164 00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:50,911 As dorky as it sounds, I care about America. 165 00:06:50,994 --> 00:06:52,913 And not in that faded Lana Del Rey way. 166 00:06:52,996 --> 00:06:54,414 And now I see it falling apart, 167 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:57,834 and we're just standing in the corner, like, making fun of it, you know? 168 00:06:57,918 --> 00:07:02,339 I'd like to try to tell some story that connects. 169 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:05,759 Okay, okay. Well, then, let me help you connect. 170 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:09,220 With all your ideas about America, even if they're good, right, 171 00:07:09,304 --> 00:07:13,350 you gotta put 'em in a story 'cause Americans listen to stories. 172 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:17,187 'Cause Americans are people. They're not ideas. 173 00:07:18,355 --> 00:07:20,231 You're here. Yeah. 174 00:07:20,649 --> 00:07:21,900 You need to be here. 175 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:23,693 Does that make sense? 176 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:25,654 Hundred percent. 177 00:07:27,989 --> 00:07:31,117 I'm Robin Dillon, and this is American Moment. 178 00:07:31,785 --> 00:07:34,621 To the organizers of the Western Montana fly-fishing... 179 00:07:55,141 --> 00:07:56,226 Hi. Hey. 180 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:57,519 You changed your hair. 181 00:07:57,644 --> 00:07:59,270 Yeah, you noticed. Of course. 182 00:07:59,354 --> 00:08:00,730 How's the book world? 183 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:02,315 The what? 184 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,025 Nothing. Can I get you a drink? 185 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:05,193 Yes. Great. 186 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:06,903 Um, what can I make you? 187 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:09,030 Um, can you do, like, a white wine? 188 00:08:09,447 --> 00:08:12,200 Um, sure. I have to open a bottle for that. 189 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:14,786 That's okay. Open it. I only want, like, one glass. 190 00:08:39,602 --> 00:08:41,021 - Hello? - Ben? 191 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:45,483 Yeah. Hello? 192 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:49,029 This is the worst phone call you're ever gonna get in your life. 193 00:08:50,488 --> 00:08:51,698 My God. 194 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:55,410 Your girlfriend's dead. 195 00:08:56,661 --> 00:08:58,663 I'm sorry. What did you say? 196 00:08:59,164 --> 00:09:00,540 She's dead. 197 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:02,751 No, no, the first part. 198 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:03,918 Your girlfriend. 199 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:07,088 Yeah, I'm sorry. Hey, I don't understand. 200 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,174 I know. I know, I know. 201 00:09:09,257 --> 00:09:10,842 We can't make no sense of it either. 202 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:12,552 Who is this? 203 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,389 This is Ty Shaw. Abby's brother. 204 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:20,310 Um, hey, I don't really know what to say. 205 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:23,897 I know this must be so hard to process. I'm so sorry. 206 00:09:24,522 --> 00:09:26,524 Abby told us so much about you. 207 00:09:26,608 --> 00:09:27,609 Abby. 208 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:30,612 My God. 209 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:33,156 Abby. 210 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:35,408 Who's Abby? 211 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,077 Some girl. 212 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,079 Who's that? Some... 213 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,248 We definitely hung out a few times. 214 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:44,125 I wouldn't have... 215 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:45,502 Funeral's Sunday. 216 00:09:46,169 --> 00:09:47,337 My God. I'm... 217 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:49,255 Can you tell me where I can send flowers? 218 00:09:49,339 --> 00:09:51,883 There's no need to send flowers, Ben. 219 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:54,469 No, no, no, no, no. I'm absolutely gonna send flowers. 220 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:57,138 Just, you tell me the address. See if you can text it to me. 221 00:09:57,222 --> 00:09:59,557 If you really want, there's a flower shop by the airport. 222 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:02,227 We'll just swing by there when I pick you up. 223 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:04,104 When you pick me up? 224 00:10:05,647 --> 00:10:09,234 Hey. I will be there in spirit. 225 00:10:09,317 --> 00:10:12,028 Spirit Airlines. Right, man. That's a great choice. 226 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:13,947 You just let me know what flight. 227 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,283 Hey... I... 228 00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:18,451 This is just... 229 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:19,702 I can't do this. 230 00:10:19,828 --> 00:10:21,246 None of us can do this. 231 00:10:21,329 --> 00:10:22,497 Not alone. 232 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:26,793 Y'all had your whole future ahead of you. 233 00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:28,128 Okay. 234 00:10:28,253 --> 00:10:29,671 Okay, don't cry. 235 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:33,007 I mean, no, cry. Cry. 236 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:34,717 Of course. God. 237 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:36,427 Be in touch with your emotions. 238 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:39,097 I can't believe we have to go through this. 239 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:40,765 Okay. All right. Hey. 240 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:43,726 Remind me where you guys are exactly. 241 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,938 Well, you've been to Texas before? 242 00:10:50,358 --> 00:10:51,359 Texas. 243 00:10:53,027 --> 00:10:54,279 Okay, are you near Austin? 244 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:58,241 No, we're not near Austin. 245 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:00,952 Dallas? Dallas ain't Texas. 246 00:11:02,453 --> 00:11:04,873 Houston? Houston's another country. 247 00:11:04,956 --> 00:11:07,375 Why don't you just tell me where... 248 00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:09,711 Have you heard of Abilene? The city. 249 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,088 Never heard of Abilene, no. 250 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:14,841 Well, Abilene is about three hours from Dallas. 251 00:11:14,966 --> 00:11:16,467 Okay. 252 00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:18,386 And we're five hours from Abilene. 253 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:29,439 Ladies and gentlemen... 254 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,651 Hey. Hi. 255 00:11:51,878 --> 00:11:54,756 And while she could be quite a handful when she was a girl... 256 00:11:59,177 --> 00:12:02,263 I can't believe I'm talking about my daughter in the past tense. 257 00:12:08,853 --> 00:12:10,271 She was living in New York. 258 00:12:11,439 --> 00:12:13,358 She was finding her voice in music. 259 00:12:13,983 --> 00:12:16,778 And she finally found love. 260 00:12:18,488 --> 00:12:19,822 Ben Manalowitz. 261 00:12:19,948 --> 00:12:24,118 A successful writer and a regular contributor to New York Magazine. 262 00:12:24,202 --> 00:12:25,245 The New Yorker. 263 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:27,330 But even with all his success, 264 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:29,958 he always respected our girl for who she was. 265 00:12:31,251 --> 00:12:34,337 "Mama," she said, "you know how he has me saved in his phone? 266 00:12:35,296 --> 00:12:36,297 Texas." 267 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,467 Well, as short as her life was, 268 00:12:40,134 --> 00:12:41,886 she found her voice, 269 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:43,471 and she found love. 270 00:12:45,056 --> 00:12:46,724 And that's all there is, right? 271 00:13:03,366 --> 00:13:04,492 Let's hear from Ben. 272 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:06,035 - Go ahead. - Go on, Ben. 273 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:07,245 No, I couldn't. 274 00:13:07,370 --> 00:13:08,788 - Thank you. - You got it. 275 00:13:08,871 --> 00:13:10,790 - Brother, come up. - Please say something. 276 00:13:10,873 --> 00:13:12,375 Get up there. 277 00:13:17,672 --> 00:13:18,881 Father. Sir. 278 00:13:27,432 --> 00:13:31,185 I never expected to be in a situation like this. 279 00:13:32,937 --> 00:13:34,272 I'm sure none of us did. 280 00:13:36,858 --> 00:13:38,609 I wish I had known her better. 281 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:42,488 I wish I had spent more time with her. 282 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,409 I'm sure all of us feel that... 283 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:48,911 right now. 284 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:50,288 Yes. 285 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:55,960 She loved music. 286 00:13:57,253 --> 00:14:00,173 I know that. I know that. 287 00:14:00,298 --> 00:14:02,091 She loved music. 288 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:03,551 Yeah. 289 00:14:07,305 --> 00:14:08,556 And... 290 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,812 she will always be a song in our hearts. 291 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,078 "Song in our hearts." 292 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:32,789 You damn near broke me with that one. 293 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:45,259 Now, I don't know about you, but... 294 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:47,428 I know it hasn't been long, but I feel like me and you, 295 00:14:47,512 --> 00:14:48,846 we got a real bond. 296 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:51,015 Kind of like family. 297 00:14:51,432 --> 00:14:52,433 Hundred percent. 298 00:14:54,185 --> 00:14:55,561 Wow. 299 00:14:55,686 --> 00:14:57,271 A hundred percent? 300 00:14:58,272 --> 00:14:59,607 Yeah. 301 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:01,692 Yeah. I felt really close to you guys today. 302 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:04,028 Don't just say that to say it. 303 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:07,156 Yeah. I knew it. 304 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:18,668 Abilene just didn't die. She was murdered. 305 00:15:19,794 --> 00:15:21,921 And the two of us are gonna avenge her death. 306 00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:24,799 What? 307 00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:28,010 You and me, we're gonna track her killer down 308 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:29,470 and deliver vengeance. 309 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:34,058 Okay, nobody said anything about a killer. 310 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:35,726 An overdose? 311 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,646 At a party in an oil field? 312 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:41,232 Yeah. The girl never took so much as an Advil in her life. 313 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:43,568 You know that. You know her better than anybody. 314 00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:47,363 Did you call the police about this? 315 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:49,699 In Texas, we don't dial 911. 316 00:15:51,367 --> 00:15:52,910 Not even for, like, a fire? 317 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,454 Fire or ambulance, fine. 318 00:15:54,537 --> 00:15:55,788 Who do you think did it? 319 00:15:55,913 --> 00:15:57,123 I got a couple theories. 320 00:15:57,582 --> 00:16:00,710 Cartels. Mexican gangbanger I got my eyes on. 321 00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:03,337 I mean, this is just the beginning. It goes deep. 322 00:16:04,088 --> 00:16:05,548 And what's this based on? 323 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:07,133 Gut. 324 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:09,343 Right. What's behind that though? 325 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:11,804 Ain't nothing behind gut. 326 00:16:11,888 --> 00:16:14,432 Gut's behind everything else. Otherwise, who are you? 327 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:16,601 I really think this is something for the police. 328 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:18,394 Yeah. You talk about the police 329 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:20,271 like it's just the same everywhere. 330 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,149 Like the police is McDonald's 331 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:25,067 and justice is an Egg McMuffin. 332 00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:28,362 We don't have the police. We got Mike and Dan. 333 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:33,659 You and me, we were the men in her life. 334 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:37,163 And they fucked with the wrong two guys. 335 00:16:38,706 --> 00:16:40,082 Okay. Um... 336 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:46,172 So, as, like, a personal boundary everybody's different. 337 00:16:46,297 --> 00:16:47,798 Some people don't eat certain foods. 338 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,175 You know, everybody... 339 00:16:50,718 --> 00:16:52,678 I don't avenge deaths. 340 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:55,806 It's just who I am. 341 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,851 I... You know, I don't live in a Liam Neeson movie. 342 00:17:00,061 --> 00:17:01,270 But you kind of look like a guy 343 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:02,980 from a Liam Neeson movie though. 344 00:17:03,105 --> 00:17:05,316 Okay. Which one am I thinking about? 345 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:06,859 It was a train. No, it was... 346 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:08,277 It was just on TV. I don't know. 347 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,279 Schindler's List. My God. 348 00:17:11,155 --> 00:17:13,449 You look like a lot of those guys in that movie. 349 00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,535 Yeah. Thanks. 350 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,120 You know, that was my least favorite Liam Neeson movie. 351 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:19,705 Huge downer. 352 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:21,707 It was a really sad movie. 353 00:17:21,832 --> 00:17:24,043 Ty, I know that you're in a lot of pain. 354 00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:27,004 Yes, sir. We both are. And you have a lot of anger. 355 00:17:27,338 --> 00:17:29,507 Goddamn it, I'm asking you for your help. 356 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:33,010 If we don't do this, it's like leaving her body 357 00:17:33,094 --> 00:17:35,888 out in the middle of that desert for the rest of our lives. 358 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:39,517 I knew it the minute I saw you. 359 00:17:40,643 --> 00:17:42,895 'Cause heart sees heart. 360 00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:47,066 Stay down here and avenge Abby's death with me. 361 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:51,070 What a story that would be. 362 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,541 - Is this a pocket dial? - I have a story. 363 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:04,792 Can it wait? No. 364 00:18:04,875 --> 00:18:06,752 I'm in Texas. I'm on my way back from a funeral. 365 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:08,421 My God. I'm so sorry. 366 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:10,548 It's okay. It's not someone I was close to. 367 00:18:11,882 --> 00:18:13,884 But you flew to Texas for it? 368 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,847 Yes. It was a girl I hooked up with a few times. 369 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:19,557 You flew to Texas 370 00:18:19,682 --> 00:18:22,059 to attend the funeral of a random hookup? 371 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:23,686 Her family thought that 372 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:25,229 we were more serious than I did. 373 00:18:25,313 --> 00:18:27,565 Do you know what? This is a story. 374 00:18:28,316 --> 00:18:29,483 Yeah? Yeah. 375 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:32,528 It's you. Your whole way of life. 376 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:34,530 It's dating, it's hookup culture. 377 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:36,866 How it enables disconnectedness. 378 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:38,743 The selfishness. No. 379 00:18:38,868 --> 00:18:39,910 The emptiness. No. 380 00:18:39,994 --> 00:18:41,203 The hollowness. That's not what I meant. 381 00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:42,330 The lack of self-awareness. 382 00:18:42,413 --> 00:18:43,581 Okay, that's not what I'm pitching. 383 00:18:43,664 --> 00:18:44,832 It's really how sad your life is. 384 00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:46,167 Okay, now you're fucking with me. 385 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:48,961 Listen, I'm in West Texas 386 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:51,964 where this family just lost their daughter to an opioid overdose. 387 00:18:52,048 --> 00:18:53,758 That is sad but common. 388 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:57,345 Except, her brother won't accept it's an overdose. 389 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:58,512 He says it was a murder. 390 00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:00,014 Based on what? 391 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:01,599 Nothing. 392 00:19:01,724 --> 00:19:03,142 And that's the story. 393 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:05,436 This is an existential crime story. 394 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:08,439 This is In Cold Blood, but there are no killers. 395 00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:11,942 This is about a new American reality that people can't accept. 396 00:19:12,026 --> 00:19:15,029 So instead, they invent these myths and conspiracies 397 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:18,699 so they can cast themselves as heroes because 398 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:21,369 the truth is too hard to accept. 399 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,955 The death of Abilene is about the death of American identity 400 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,333 and the need to find someone to blame for it. 401 00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:30,169 This isn't just a story about vengeance. 402 00:19:30,252 --> 00:19:33,422 It's a story about the need for vengeance. 403 00:19:34,048 --> 00:19:36,717 The meaning of vengeance. 404 00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:42,973 Dead white girl? 405 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,017 Holy grail of podcasts. 406 00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:48,062 Eloise, I wish my recorder were already on. 407 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:50,147 He's saying such crazy things already. 408 00:19:50,272 --> 00:19:51,607 Her brother? 409 00:19:54,151 --> 00:19:55,569 He is such a character. 410 00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:57,571 And you can get close to the family? 411 00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:00,032 Can I get close to the family? 412 00:20:00,116 --> 00:20:01,784 They think I was her boyfriend. 413 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:03,536 I mean... 414 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,707 I went to her funeral, for God's sake. 415 00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:09,083 That's good. 416 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,918 I mean, it's fucked up, 417 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:13,295 but it's good for this. 418 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:14,505 So? 419 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,758 Okay, let's give it a shot. 420 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,263 Okay, talk to me. Give me everything. 421 00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:23,389 Stay with the family, 422 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:25,725 get as close as possible, record everything. 423 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:27,393 'Cause you never know what will be important. 424 00:20:27,518 --> 00:20:29,645 I'll be your editor, so I'll pull selects 425 00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:31,188 and see what's there. Okay. 426 00:20:31,313 --> 00:20:33,607 I'll have Tracy overnight you the equipment, 427 00:20:33,691 --> 00:20:35,401 but just use your phone in the meantime 428 00:20:35,484 --> 00:20:37,319 and get the story, stay safe. 429 00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:38,404 You got it. 430 00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:40,364 Not in that order. In that order. 431 00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:54,503 The dust in West Texas settles like rain on a lake. 432 00:20:54,628 --> 00:20:58,007 I'm under a West Texas sky, bright blue Texan sky, 433 00:20:58,466 --> 00:21:01,719 where I've just learned about the death of Abilene Shaw. 434 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,929 My... 435 00:21:05,556 --> 00:21:06,849 A person 436 00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:09,977 who lived here. 437 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:20,571 Hell yeah, brother. 438 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,448 All right. 439 00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:25,868 I'm gonna stay with you guys for a couple of weeks. 440 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:27,161 I'm gonna record everything 441 00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:28,746 that you think happened to Abilene. 442 00:21:28,871 --> 00:21:30,539 Okay? Hell, yes. Then we kill him. 443 00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:31,749 No. 444 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,751 I'm gonna put it on a podcast... 445 00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:41,050 and it will be on podcast platforms. 446 00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:43,010 That's fucking brilliant. 447 00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:45,137 Yeah. You're fucking smart. 448 00:21:45,846 --> 00:21:48,015 All right. Once people on Reddit find out... 449 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:50,851 They'll kill him for us. 450 00:22:00,402 --> 00:22:01,403 All right. 451 00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:17,378 Hey, Mama. Guess who came back after all. 452 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:19,672 Ben. 453 00:22:20,297 --> 00:22:21,882 Hi. My God. You came back. 454 00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:23,717 Thank you. 455 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:26,136 I hope I'm not imposing. 456 00:22:26,428 --> 00:22:27,471 Please. 457 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:29,431 We have this empty seat at the table. 458 00:22:29,515 --> 00:22:31,642 We can use all the distraction we can get. 459 00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:34,353 Can I get you anything? 460 00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:35,855 Um... 461 00:22:36,522 --> 00:22:38,482 Just, what's the Wi-Fi situation? 462 00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:40,359 It's a little temperamental, it'll kick in. 463 00:22:40,442 --> 00:22:42,778 Did you have a chance to meet everybody before? 464 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:44,238 No. I would love to. 465 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:46,782 This is Abilene's sister, Paris. Hi. 466 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:49,034 She's 24, fixin' to be 25. Yep. 467 00:22:49,159 --> 00:22:50,578 She's gonna be a famous filmmaker. 468 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:53,122 It is a pleasure to meet you, Paris. 469 00:22:53,247 --> 00:22:54,790 Pleasure. I've heard so much about you. 470 00:22:54,915 --> 00:22:57,042 I've heard... Yeah. 471 00:22:57,126 --> 00:22:58,752 And this is Kansas City. 472 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:01,130 She's 17, fixin' to be 18. 473 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,090 And she's gonna be a famous... 474 00:23:03,173 --> 00:23:04,174 Just famous. 475 00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:05,843 KC, I told you. 476 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:07,553 Those are not our values. 477 00:23:07,678 --> 00:23:09,471 You have to be a famous something. 478 00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:12,016 A famous... 479 00:23:13,517 --> 00:23:14,518 celebrity. 480 00:23:16,937 --> 00:23:17,938 These are really your daughters? 481 00:23:18,022 --> 00:23:19,565 I mean, you all could be sisters. 482 00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:20,733 You think that I look... 483 00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:22,026 You are so sweet. this fucking old? 484 00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:24,904 And this is El Stupido. 485 00:23:25,863 --> 00:23:27,531 Sorry? This is El Stupido. 486 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,284 That's what you call him? 487 00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:32,912 It's okay, Ben. He don't speak Spanish. 488 00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:38,250 And, how old are you? 489 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:40,711 Nine. 490 00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:42,296 Fixin' to be ten? 491 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:48,719 Yes, sir. 492 00:23:48,802 --> 00:23:49,929 Boys, come on. 493 00:23:50,012 --> 00:23:51,680 Ben, come take a seat. Thank you. 494 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:52,973 You have a lovely home, by the way. 495 00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:54,266 - Thank you. - It's really nice. 496 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:55,601 This is Granny Carole. Yeah. 497 00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:56,977 Granny for short. 498 00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,313 Nice to meet you, Granny. Yeah. 499 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,401 So, Ben, tell us about yourself. 500 00:24:05,027 --> 00:24:06,654 Do you come from a close family? 501 00:24:06,737 --> 00:24:08,572 Yes. We're very close. 502 00:24:08,656 --> 00:24:11,241 We don't see each other much, but we're very close. 503 00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:14,328 You from Texas? 504 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,955 No, I'm not. 505 00:24:16,038 --> 00:24:17,331 I'm sorry. 506 00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:18,958 That you're not from Texas. 507 00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:22,753 Have you been to Texas before, Ben? Yes, actually. 508 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:24,922 I've been to Austin, for South By. 509 00:24:25,005 --> 00:24:26,006 For what? 510 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:27,967 South by Southwest is an annual... 511 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:29,385 No, for what band? 512 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:31,178 You don't just go to South By. 513 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:33,138 You go see a band, don't you? 514 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,683 Well, true. 515 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:38,852 I was part of a journalism panel about the future of new media. 516 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:40,521 Amazing. That's so cool. 517 00:24:40,646 --> 00:24:42,231 Thank you. You're welcome. 518 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:46,485 Um, speaking of. Would you mind if I recorded this dinner? 519 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:47,569 Record us now? 520 00:24:47,695 --> 00:24:48,696 - Yeah. - Hell yeah. 521 00:24:48,779 --> 00:24:49,780 Would we mind? 522 00:24:49,863 --> 00:24:51,365 I love being recorded. My God. 523 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:52,491 Great. Fantastic. 524 00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:53,951 Hey, smile. Okay? Great. 525 00:24:54,076 --> 00:24:56,578 Well, would you want to hear the story of Texas? 526 00:24:57,663 --> 00:24:59,331 Absolutely. Go, Granny. 527 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:01,083 All right. Right here. 528 00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:02,543 My goodness. Okay. 529 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:04,753 1836. 530 00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:06,797 Texas is part of Mexico, 531 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,466 made up of settlers and English-speaking white folk. 532 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:12,511 And, they didn't like the government. What else is new? 533 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:16,015 Them Texans wanted to do things their own way. What else is new? 534 00:25:16,432 --> 00:25:19,560 So, you take everybody's two favorite things, 535 00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:21,353 government and Mexicans. 536 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:24,064 And guess what happens. 537 00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:25,315 Go on. 538 00:25:25,399 --> 00:25:26,859 Guess. You should... In your words. 539 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,027 All right. All right. 540 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:30,279 Well, Generalissimo Santa Anna 541 00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:33,449 brung up 7,000 Mexican soldiers 542 00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:38,912 to fight against 186 Texan rebels at a place called the Alamo. 543 00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:40,914 And the Texans won. 544 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:42,791 That's very inspiring. 545 00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:44,251 Say what? 546 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:48,505 The Texans didn't win, Ben. 547 00:25:50,007 --> 00:25:54,928 They teach math where you from? 186.7,000. 548 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,389 Um... 549 00:25:58,057 --> 00:25:59,767 Seven thousand is more, Ben. 550 00:26:00,476 --> 00:26:02,352 It was a massacre. 551 00:26:03,312 --> 00:26:05,689 It was unspeakable cruelty. 552 00:26:06,148 --> 00:26:07,775 Unspeakable cruelty. 553 00:26:07,858 --> 00:26:10,486 I'm sorry. I had no idea you didn't win the Alamo. 554 00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:12,237 Um... 555 00:26:12,321 --> 00:26:14,406 I feel like you guys talk about it a lot. 556 00:26:15,115 --> 00:26:17,451 Who's "Equinox Girl Cute"? 557 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,161 Um... A friend. 558 00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:21,455 Who's "Paris Review Party Asian"? 559 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,165 Excuse me. Very good reading. 560 00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:25,375 Let me... The Wi-Fi must have just kicked on. 561 00:26:25,459 --> 00:26:27,252 Who's "Natalie Bumble"? 562 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:29,588 - Who's "Katie Raya"? - Let me just... 563 00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:30,881 - Let me put that on... - Raya? 564 00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:32,591 Let me put that on airplane mode. 565 00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:34,510 I thought Raya was supposed to be exclusive. 566 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,470 So what do you think of this place, Ben? 567 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:38,430 I love it. 568 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:39,973 Are you joking? Are you serious? You love it? 569 00:26:40,099 --> 00:26:41,308 You're from New York City. 570 00:26:41,391 --> 00:26:43,185 - Literally nothing happens here. - Yeah. 571 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:46,480 Well, I mean, it is a little... 572 00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:49,274 You know. 573 00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:51,193 - Bleak. - Come on, that's not fair. 574 00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:52,861 We just got a Target. Excuse me? How dare you? 575 00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:54,905 Do you know how fucking good our football team is? 576 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,199 This is our town. Okay, look, I don't know where to... 577 00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,283 Where to land here. 578 00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:00,244 Ben, there's probably something you should know 579 00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:01,829 about this place. Yeah. 580 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:04,998 This is the most, wretched, 581 00:27:05,916 --> 00:27:08,710 godforsaken stretch of land on the face of the Earth. 582 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:11,255 And I'd never leave. You know what I mean? 583 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:14,800 Yeah. That's how I feel about Twitter. 584 00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:16,385 See, Ben's a journalist. 585 00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:18,011 One of the finest there is. 586 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,180 He writes for the New York Magazine. 587 00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:21,431 New Yorker. Yep. 588 00:27:21,515 --> 00:27:22,933 And he's gonna help us find out 589 00:27:23,016 --> 00:27:24,852 what really happened to Abilene. 590 00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:28,313 I was saying we go out and settle it with a .45, 591 00:27:28,397 --> 00:27:32,693 but Ben gives a whole new perspective to the situation. 592 00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:36,155 Ty, you can't solve something like this with a .45. 593 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:38,574 It's not as simple as one person. 594 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,909 It's a whole system, Son. 595 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:42,244 Tell us what you mean, Granny. 596 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,371 It's the breakdown of society, is what it is. 597 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,249 It's the breakdown of the school system, the government. 598 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,585 It's the pharmaceutical companies. 599 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:52,629 It's the breakdown of the family... 600 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:54,756 and tradition. 601 00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,094 There's a whole lot of people responsible 602 00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:01,430 - for what happened to Abilene. - That's true. 603 00:28:01,555 --> 00:28:02,723 - Yes, ma'am. - Amen. 604 00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:04,016 I think that's very wise. 605 00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:06,185 You're gonna need a 12-gauge, couple of ARs. 606 00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:07,603 No. A Wesson automatic. 607 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:08,979 No, no, no. And a sidearm for safety. 608 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:10,731 Yep. Exactly. We're not doing that. 609 00:28:10,856 --> 00:28:12,399 We're not? Yeah. 610 00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:17,154 I didn't think you had the balls. 611 00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:20,532 Are you gonna help us, Ben? 612 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:24,369 You know... 613 00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,958 There's some things I'm good at. 614 00:28:31,585 --> 00:28:33,629 I'm good at asking the right questions. 615 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,839 I'm good at getting people to talk. 616 00:28:35,923 --> 00:28:37,633 And I'm especially good 617 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,301 at drawing thematic connections 618 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:41,136 between seemingly disparate elements 619 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:45,057 and using that to illustrate a larger point or theory. 620 00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:49,478 So, whoever or whatever 621 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:52,314 is responsible for what happened to Abilene, 622 00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:55,776 I will find this person 623 00:28:56,985 --> 00:29:00,030 or this generalized societal force, 624 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:03,700 and I will define it. 625 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:07,120 I'll define it. 626 00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:11,500 Bless your heart. 627 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:20,592 I guess we have a guest room now. 628 00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:25,389 Ty. 629 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:30,519 Well, rest up good. We'll meet in the morning and start to solve this. 630 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:31,770 Yeah. 631 00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:33,355 See you in the morning. 632 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:34,773 Good night, Ty. Good night. 633 00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:45,946 Good morning. 634 00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:48,740 Yeah, that's it. What else... 635 00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:50,367 - Can I say it proves a lot? - Yeah. 636 00:31:50,492 --> 00:31:51,993 I'm gonna take a short break here, 637 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,330 and during this break, I hope you'll call and support this station 638 00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,208 during this long, important membership drive. 639 00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:00,168 We have some great free gifts to offer you, 640 00:32:00,293 --> 00:32:02,045 and I'm not just talking coffee mugs. 641 00:32:08,176 --> 00:32:10,637 Well, Ben, there's really two versions of life out here. 642 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:13,557 Boom times, everybody's rich and busy. 643 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,600 It's like one big party out here. 644 00:32:15,725 --> 00:32:17,561 And then the bust comes. 645 00:32:17,686 --> 00:32:19,438 It's really like two different places out here. 646 00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:21,189 It's always boom or bust. 647 00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:23,650 Which is it right now? 648 00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:26,486 Kinda in between. Yeah. 649 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:29,239 Kinda in between, to tell you the truth. Okay. 650 00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:32,492 You son of a... 651 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:35,078 - Get off. - Crawl. There's our worm. 652 00:32:35,162 --> 00:32:36,746 You like being on top. 653 00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:38,039 Get off. Yeah. 654 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:40,834 This the guy? 655 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:41,960 Yep. 656 00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:45,464 Let me save you some time. Sancholo. 657 00:32:45,589 --> 00:32:47,591 Sancholo. Sancholo. 658 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:48,884 What's Sancholo? 659 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,469 The guy who killed Abilene. 660 00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:53,889 A Mexican drug dealer. Evil motherfucker. 661 00:32:54,014 --> 00:32:55,640 You name it, he's got it. 662 00:32:55,765 --> 00:32:57,392 Not crazy about his prices though. 663 00:32:57,517 --> 00:33:00,437 So, you know who killed Abilene? Yes, sir. 664 00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,689 Did you call the police about it? 665 00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:04,441 Mike and Dan? 666 00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:06,193 Those lazy fucktards. 667 00:33:06,276 --> 00:33:07,402 Everything's an accident. 668 00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:09,321 Gun accident. Driving accident. 669 00:33:10,197 --> 00:33:13,283 I've known Abilene since we were knee-high to a grasshopper. 670 00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:15,327 She never touched so much as an Advil, 671 00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,454 and then, out of the blue, 672 00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:20,749 they find this angel, this angel, 673 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,793 dead of an oxy OD at a party he threw! 674 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,504 You're getting me warmed up. 675 00:33:25,629 --> 00:33:28,006 He's been obsessed with her since middle school. 676 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,549 Yep. He'd call the house every night. 677 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,134 They used to be on the phone for hours. 678 00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:33,136 He's just a piece of it anyway. 679 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:35,013 It's too big to understand. 680 00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:39,726 You got deep state in bed with pill pushers, cartels, pedos. 681 00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:41,228 The law. How... 682 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:42,479 Hey. 683 00:33:42,562 --> 00:33:44,356 And you're a piece of it, too. 684 00:33:45,607 --> 00:33:48,777 So, um, I'd love to talk to some of the characters you mentioned. 685 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,695 Mike and Dan? Sancholo? 686 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,365 - He's gotta be at the rodeo in Holliston. - No doubt. 687 00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:55,325 There and the honky-tonk, too, afterwards. 688 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,702 That's where a drug dealer can do their best business. 689 00:33:58,119 --> 00:33:59,663 'Cause everybody goes to the rodeo. 690 00:34:00,121 --> 00:34:01,331 White, Mexicans. 691 00:34:02,624 --> 00:34:05,210 You really want to avenge her with him? 692 00:34:05,335 --> 00:34:06,962 I'm like a brother to you. 693 00:34:07,087 --> 00:34:09,464 Well, he's like a brother-in-law. 694 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:10,924 Come on. 695 00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,718 Ben, you ever been in a fight? 696 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:16,888 You mean like a physical fight or like an online skirmish? 697 00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:21,017 I got him. 698 00:34:21,268 --> 00:34:23,562 Crawl wouldn't hurt a fly, would you, Crawl? 699 00:34:23,687 --> 00:34:26,523 I never understood that expression about flies. 700 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:28,692 Yeah, I'd kill a fly, 701 00:34:28,775 --> 00:34:31,528 but what kind of sick fuck would hurt a fly? 702 00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:34,864 Make it feel pain? 703 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:41,663 You don't have any idea where you are, do you? 704 00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:45,458 Want me to show you a map? 705 00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:49,254 Welcome to Texas. 706 00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:52,215 You are here. 707 00:35:08,732 --> 00:35:09,733 Morning, KC. 708 00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:10,817 Hey. 709 00:35:10,984 --> 00:35:13,361 Would you like some coffee? 710 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:15,363 Sure. How do you take it? 711 00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:18,325 In the mouth? 712 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,749 All right, tell me something that you love about where you live. 713 00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:27,500 Whataburger! 714 00:35:28,043 --> 00:35:29,336 - Yeah. - Okay, great. 715 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:30,587 Um, tell me about it. 716 00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:32,380 You want to go right now? Yeah, let's go. 717 00:35:32,464 --> 00:35:33,465 I'm ready. 718 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,592 You want... Just, no, tell me about it. 719 00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:37,761 You're gonna love Whataburger, Ben. 720 00:35:37,886 --> 00:35:40,305 It's the best. What makes it the best? 721 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,724 Wherever you are, there's a Whataburger. 722 00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:45,268 Yeah. It's always right there. 723 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,355 Okay. And then when you get there, 724 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,190 what do you like about it? What do you get? 725 00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:51,691 Whatever you want. It's always right there. 726 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,443 You could order whatever you want, Ben. 727 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:56,404 Right, but there are a lot of places like that. 728 00:35:56,529 --> 00:35:58,823 So, let's say, there is a McDonald's, 729 00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:01,451 a Burger King, a Sonic and a Whataburger 730 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:04,120 all lined up. Which one do you go to? 731 00:36:04,204 --> 00:36:05,497 Whataburger! 732 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:06,665 Right, right. Why? 733 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:08,833 Because it's right there! 734 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:10,710 Yes, but they're all right there. 735 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:15,715 In this scenario, they're all right there. 736 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,303 So, what do you get out of Whataburger? 737 00:36:20,387 --> 00:36:22,180 What makes it better to you? 738 00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:23,556 What are you getting... Ben. 739 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,184 Asking why you love Whataburger 740 00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,269 is like asking why you love Christmas 741 00:36:28,978 --> 00:36:31,231 or a summer night or why you love your dog. 742 00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:33,566 I mean, you could point to the reasons, 743 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:35,860 but the reasons aren't really the point. 744 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:39,072 You just love it, and that's how love works. 745 00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:57,048 I'm on my way to get what could be some good local color. 746 00:36:57,173 --> 00:36:59,884 It's the place Abilene recorded some demos. 747 00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:03,304 I'm heading towards the Quentin Sellers Music Factory. 748 00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:06,766 A place in Marfa, the arts town, where... 749 00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:09,185 people pursue their dreams of musical stardom. 750 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:13,481 His motto is "making dreams come true since 2018." 751 00:37:15,108 --> 00:37:17,861 Eloise, if you have, um... If you can play a clip of that, 752 00:37:18,611 --> 00:37:20,488 Rebecca Black song, "Friday," 753 00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,282 that would be really funny here. 754 00:37:22,407 --> 00:37:24,075 I bet it's cheap to play. 755 00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:40,049 Yeah, yeah 756 00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:43,803 Yeah 757 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:56,316 Yeah 758 00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:09,370 Okay. 759 00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,500 Hi. Hi. 760 00:38:15,585 --> 00:38:16,795 What is music? 761 00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:19,005 Like, singing and stuff. 762 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:20,757 Yeah, that's right. 763 00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:25,136 Let's take a step back. 764 00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,515 I want to share an idea with you. 765 00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:32,811 There's no argument more profound 766 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:36,523 than how the universe came into existence. 767 00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:39,692 God. Are we here because of God or science? 768 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:42,237 I mean, it is, by its very nature, 769 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,365 the most fundamental question. 770 00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:50,161 But there's one thing that everyone agrees on. 771 00:38:52,705 --> 00:38:57,168 And that is whether it was God declaring "Let there be light," 772 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:02,006 or an infinite particle of energy 773 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:03,842 bursting forth in the big bang. 774 00:39:06,177 --> 00:39:07,178 Everyone, 775 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,848 and I mean everyone, 776 00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:14,269 agrees that the universe 777 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:17,522 started with a sound. 778 00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:23,278 Why do I call myself a record producer? 779 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:25,238 I don't know. 780 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,991 Yeah, I mean, we don't even make records anymore. 781 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:32,704 What we're recording here isn't your record. 782 00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,623 It's your sound... 783 00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:38,960 on the record that started 784 00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,338 with the very first moment in time. 785 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:46,426 So when you sing this song, 786 00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:52,891 I want you to think about how what you're making 787 00:39:54,058 --> 00:39:58,813 is the record of your time here on this Earth. 788 00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:04,360 It's the sound that you scratch 789 00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:07,614 with your life 790 00:40:09,449 --> 00:40:11,868 on the record of the universe. 791 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:17,165 Okay? Okay. 792 00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:27,884 I finished my shift at Claire's 793 00:40:28,009 --> 00:40:34,098 Climbed up those steep mall stairs 794 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:39,979 And the pain of having nowhere to go 795 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:43,107 Pierced the skin of my soul 796 00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:47,028 As I sat on the steps 797 00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,364 And waited and waited 798 00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:54,786 For no one to take me home 799 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:56,496 Yeah. 800 00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:00,291 Thank you. 801 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,293 I call this place the Factory. 802 00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:04,295 You know, after Andy Warhol's Factory. 803 00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:09,467 Most people around here think it's a reference to C+C Music Factory. 804 00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:12,804 Which, honestly, I think Warhol would've loved, but... 805 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,640 Yeah, actually. Yeah. 806 00:41:15,765 --> 00:41:16,933 I'm from out here. 807 00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:18,393 I went to college in New Haven. 808 00:41:18,768 --> 00:41:20,395 I went to school in Boston. 809 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:21,854 Yeah, I thought about staying there, 810 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:24,232 but this is the place that needs something like this. 811 00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:26,234 The problem isn't that people aren't smart. 812 00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:27,777 The problem is that they are. 813 00:41:28,736 --> 00:41:30,405 If the landscape is like this, 814 00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:31,990 and people were just boring, 815 00:41:32,073 --> 00:41:33,533 you wouldn't have this problem. 816 00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:36,995 The problem is, you get all these bright, creative lights 817 00:41:37,078 --> 00:41:39,288 and nowhere to plug in their energy. 818 00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:41,916 And so it gets channeled into conspiracy theories 819 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,418 and drugs and violence. 820 00:41:44,127 --> 00:41:46,045 Who are your favorite music artists right now? 821 00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:47,213 Um... 822 00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:48,715 Can I take a guess? Yeah. 823 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,299 You're a playlist guy. 824 00:41:50,383 --> 00:41:51,384 What does that mean? 825 00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:53,219 When some computer recommends you a bunch of songs 826 00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:55,388 based on your favorites, and a bunch more 827 00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:56,889 based on your favorites of those. Right. 828 00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:58,808 So you're listening to a bunch of music that, 829 00:41:58,891 --> 00:42:00,727 I mean, you genuinely like... Yeah. 830 00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:02,353 but you have no idea who sings it. 831 00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:05,273 Now, these playlists, it's like the dating app for music. 832 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:06,941 You're not hearing other people's voices. 833 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:10,069 You're just hearing your voice get played back at you. 834 00:42:10,278 --> 00:42:11,738 How are you supposed to fall in love? 835 00:42:13,406 --> 00:42:15,658 Art used to be in charge of us. 836 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:17,368 You used to buy a whole album 837 00:42:17,452 --> 00:42:19,704 not even knowing what songs would be on it. 838 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:23,624 Now we have everything on demand. 839 00:42:24,792 --> 00:42:26,252 At your fingertips. 840 00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:28,546 In pieces. 841 00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:33,134 You think half the people that are posting quotes from Oscar Wilde 842 00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:35,762 have ever actually read one of his plays? No. 843 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:37,638 Or posting photos of Audrey Hepburn 844 00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:39,932 have actually seen the film that it's from? 845 00:42:40,058 --> 00:42:41,684 No. Not a chance, right? 846 00:42:42,268 --> 00:42:43,352 What is that about? 847 00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:45,980 It's the same in culture as it is in archaeology. 848 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,191 When a civilization collapses, 849 00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,818 only the tiniest fragments remain. 850 00:42:51,486 --> 00:42:52,987 But we can build it back again. 851 00:42:53,738 --> 00:42:54,947 How? 852 00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:56,491 Make recordings. 853 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:58,576 Real people. 854 00:42:59,327 --> 00:43:02,663 Not what people think that they already know and want to hear. 855 00:43:03,247 --> 00:43:04,415 Real people. 856 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:08,461 Not some generic stereotype or generic song. 857 00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:11,798 Real people. 858 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,260 What's this podcast about, anyway? 859 00:43:16,344 --> 00:43:18,554 Well, um, it's about America. 860 00:43:18,638 --> 00:43:19,639 Okay. 861 00:43:19,722 --> 00:43:23,184 It's about the myths that we tell ourselves. 862 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,310 Who is it about? 863 00:43:26,312 --> 00:43:27,313 All of us. 864 00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:30,483 Every story we tell is ultimately about a person. 865 00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:33,152 Abilene Shaw. 866 00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:35,488 Abilene. 867 00:43:36,197 --> 00:43:37,198 Yeah. 868 00:43:37,532 --> 00:43:39,534 You're making a podcast about Abilene. 869 00:43:40,368 --> 00:43:41,744 Well, it's a little about Abilene. 870 00:43:41,869 --> 00:43:43,621 I'm trying to make it more about... No. 871 00:43:43,746 --> 00:43:46,415 It's about Abilene. The person. 872 00:43:46,541 --> 00:43:47,792 That's all you need. 873 00:43:47,917 --> 00:43:49,252 What did you think about her music? 874 00:43:49,335 --> 00:43:50,586 I haven't really heard it. 875 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:52,088 Shut the front door. 876 00:43:52,213 --> 00:43:54,674 I mean, I haven't... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. 877 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:58,636 Come with me. 878 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:01,472 Here it is. 879 00:44:01,556 --> 00:44:02,932 Everything we ever recorded. 880 00:44:03,015 --> 00:44:05,184 - Thank you so much. - You're in for a treat. 881 00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:09,147 Doesn't she have a sister who wants to be a singer? 882 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:10,773 Wants to be famous. 883 00:44:10,857 --> 00:44:12,859 Means she knows she's somebody. 884 00:44:12,942 --> 00:44:14,861 Just doesn't know who yet. 885 00:44:14,944 --> 00:44:16,696 She needs to find her voice. 886 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,448 What about my voice? 887 00:44:19,532 --> 00:44:21,576 I'll put you in the studio. What do you want to do? 888 00:44:22,952 --> 00:44:24,287 I, you know... 889 00:44:25,454 --> 00:44:29,625 If I came here for advice about my voice, my... 890 00:44:30,126 --> 00:44:32,003 you know, my writing, my podcast, 891 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,505 what would you tell me? 892 00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:40,469 I'd probably say that nobody writes anything. 893 00:44:42,805 --> 00:44:44,432 All we do is translate. 894 00:44:45,308 --> 00:44:47,727 So if you ever get stuck and you don't know what to say... 895 00:44:49,145 --> 00:44:50,521 just listen. 896 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,982 Even to the silences. 897 00:44:55,151 --> 00:44:58,738 Listen as hard as you can to the world around you 898 00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:02,617 and repeat back what you hear. 899 00:45:04,285 --> 00:45:05,661 That translation, 900 00:45:07,288 --> 00:45:08,581 that's your voice. 901 00:45:16,464 --> 00:45:20,051 I gotta say, this is not anything like what I expected to find. 902 00:45:20,676 --> 00:45:22,428 You came here to make fun of me, didn't you? 903 00:45:23,888 --> 00:45:25,723 No, no. No. No, I get it's... 904 00:45:25,806 --> 00:45:27,391 It's... I get it. 905 00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:29,810 Record producer in the middle of nowhere. 906 00:45:29,936 --> 00:45:31,938 You thought I'd be sillier, smaller. 907 00:45:33,064 --> 00:45:34,190 I get it. 908 00:45:34,941 --> 00:45:35,942 Hey, look. 909 00:45:37,318 --> 00:45:38,444 It's already working. 910 00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:40,154 You listened. 911 00:45:40,947 --> 00:45:42,073 You learned. 912 00:45:45,534 --> 00:45:46,911 Welcome to Texas. 913 00:45:53,626 --> 00:45:54,877 Thank you. 914 00:46:06,722 --> 00:46:09,934 The setting sun sets Texas afire with a glow. 915 00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:12,520 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 916 00:46:12,645 --> 00:46:14,146 It's fucking beautiful. 917 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,116 Well, hi. 918 00:46:28,661 --> 00:46:30,162 Thank you. 919 00:46:30,246 --> 00:46:32,540 When I told my mama that I was gonna move to New York 920 00:46:32,623 --> 00:46:34,083 and try and make it in music, 921 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:37,003 she looked at me and she just said, "Bless your heart." 922 00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:39,839 Which is Texas for, "Fuck you." 923 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:42,383 Love you, Mama. 924 00:46:43,968 --> 00:46:48,556 True love will find you in the end 925 00:46:50,391 --> 00:46:54,520 You'll find out just who is your friend 926 00:46:57,523 --> 00:47:00,609 Don't be sad, I know you will... 927 00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:05,740 Will you help me unjam my gun? 928 00:47:07,366 --> 00:47:08,993 I don't know how to do that. 929 00:47:21,213 --> 00:47:23,215 They ought to call you El Stupido. 930 00:47:27,803 --> 00:47:29,263 Can I sleep on your floor? 931 00:47:31,098 --> 00:47:32,099 Yeah. 932 00:47:33,142 --> 00:47:34,226 Of course. 933 00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:37,063 Thank you. 934 00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:00,836 I'm still drivin' 935 00:48:00,961 --> 00:48:03,547 When's this break gon' come? 936 00:48:03,672 --> 00:48:06,008 You back my pickin' 937 00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:09,345 With a big ol' timpani drum... 938 00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:11,931 Vengeance is a unique phenomenon. 939 00:48:12,056 --> 00:48:13,682 Texas invented vengeance. 940 00:48:13,808 --> 00:48:16,394 It makes no sense if you think about it. 941 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:20,231 Every other primal human instinct leads to a clear evolutionary reward. 942 00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:22,233 But vengeance is different. 943 00:48:22,358 --> 00:48:23,567 It's not about the future. 944 00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:25,653 It's only about the past. 945 00:48:25,778 --> 00:48:28,614 When that massacre happened, we didn't retreat. 946 00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:31,742 We didn't say, "Let's all make sure we don't get Mexiphobia." 947 00:48:31,867 --> 00:48:34,161 We said, "Remember the Alamo." 948 00:48:34,954 --> 00:48:37,289 It's not about hope. It's about regret. 949 00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:39,750 Abby was always creatively minded. 950 00:48:39,875 --> 00:48:41,752 She would make movies with her sisters. 951 00:48:41,877 --> 00:48:43,254 Music, of course. 952 00:48:43,379 --> 00:48:45,881 She had such a beautiful voice. 953 00:48:46,841 --> 00:48:48,592 I really wish more people could've heard it. 954 00:48:48,717 --> 00:48:49,802 You're a writer. 955 00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:51,595 Anything I'd know? 956 00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:54,265 None of this. 957 00:48:54,807 --> 00:48:56,392 The desperation that you see around here, 958 00:48:56,517 --> 00:48:59,186 it's not from a lack of intelligence or creativity. 959 00:48:59,311 --> 00:49:00,646 It's an excess. 960 00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:02,398 We're not really a gun family. 961 00:49:02,523 --> 00:49:04,650 We have a few rifles for shooting targets, 962 00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:06,235 a couple handguns for safety, and... 963 00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:08,362 And that doesn't concern you? Why would it concern me? 964 00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:10,239 There's this playwright, Anton Chekhov, 965 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:12,825 and he says that if there's a gun in act one of a play... 966 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:15,744 There's no guns in any one of his plays I can think of. 967 00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:17,496 Cherry Orchard, no. Uncle Vanya, no. 968 00:49:17,621 --> 00:49:19,248 I'm not actually that familiar with his plays. 969 00:49:19,331 --> 00:49:20,666 I'm more familiar with his theory. 970 00:49:20,791 --> 00:49:23,836 But the stakes of these feelings aren't hypothetical. 971 00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:25,838 They're all too real. 972 00:49:25,921 --> 00:49:27,590 I'm your host, Ben Manalowitz, 973 00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:29,341 from American Radio Collective. 974 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,594 This is Dead White Girl. 975 00:49:31,677 --> 00:49:32,678 Hey. 976 00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:34,638 So, this is great. 977 00:49:34,763 --> 00:49:35,931 Really? 978 00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:38,726 Yeah. I'm, like, dorking out over this family. 979 00:49:38,851 --> 00:49:40,311 Their family's like my family. 980 00:49:40,436 --> 00:49:41,520 Great. Great. 981 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,022 Do you have any notes? 982 00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:44,273 Yeah. I got a couple. 983 00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:45,524 Thought you said you loved it. 984 00:49:46,192 --> 00:49:49,320 You asked if I had notes, and I got notes okay, first-timer? 985 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:51,071 Okay. All right, all right, what do you got? 986 00:49:51,739 --> 00:49:53,157 Okay, you're stepping on people's lines, 987 00:49:53,282 --> 00:49:55,576 and we need it clean, so... Yep, yep. 988 00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:57,870 Just like what you're doing right now. Don't do that. 989 00:49:57,995 --> 00:49:59,163 Right. 990 00:49:59,288 --> 00:50:00,956 Don't talk while they're talking. 991 00:50:01,081 --> 00:50:03,792 Just listen or pretend to listen. 992 00:50:03,918 --> 00:50:05,419 Okay. What else? 993 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:07,421 And you know what would help some people? 994 00:50:07,505 --> 00:50:10,424 If you do a silent laugh to egg them on. 995 00:50:10,508 --> 00:50:11,800 You know, like... 996 00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:15,179 Like what? I lost you. 997 00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:16,514 No, I'm doing it. 998 00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:18,265 Right, okay. 999 00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:20,434 Where are you going to next, the rodeo? 1000 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,061 Yep, my first rodeo. 1001 00:50:22,144 --> 00:50:23,145 I'm really excited. 1002 00:50:23,229 --> 00:50:25,356 Apparently, it's a real socioeconomic cross section. 1003 00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:27,942 Yeah, and horses and bulls and stuff. 1004 00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:32,154 You're doing it? 1005 00:50:32,279 --> 00:50:33,405 Yeah, could you tell? 1006 00:50:33,822 --> 00:50:34,865 Good luck. 1007 00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:40,663 - All right, Ben. - Thank you. 1008 00:50:40,788 --> 00:50:42,039 You're gonna love this place. Yeah. 1009 00:50:42,164 --> 00:50:43,707 A whole lot to see, lot to take in. 1010 00:50:43,832 --> 00:50:46,168 "Fourth Annual Bull Bash Cowboy Protection." 1011 00:50:46,293 --> 00:50:48,629 Cowboy protection for bullfighting 1012 00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:50,589 in Oyster Creek, Texas. Cool. Excellent. 1013 00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:52,216 And, you're a pitmaster. 1014 00:50:52,341 --> 00:50:54,885 Yes, sir. And what is the secret to your success? 1015 00:50:54,969 --> 00:50:56,929 Time and more time. 1016 00:50:58,556 --> 00:51:00,349 Bingo! Ten points! 1017 00:51:02,935 --> 00:51:03,936 Hell yes! 1018 00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:05,271 - Ben, you're gonna love this. - All right. 1019 00:51:05,354 --> 00:51:07,231 Deep-fried Twinkies. Ben, you gotta try one of these. 1020 00:51:07,314 --> 00:51:08,774 Hello, beautiful. Hi. 1021 00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:10,651 Can I get, one, two, three, four, five 1022 00:51:10,776 --> 00:51:11,986 deep-fried Twinkies? 1023 00:51:12,111 --> 00:51:13,696 Can we get one of those grilled? 1024 00:51:16,782 --> 00:51:17,825 It's fucking good. 1025 00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,118 Fucking good. Yeah. 1026 00:51:19,243 --> 00:51:20,786 Just keep a low profile, Ben. 1027 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:21,996 We'll find our man. No doubt. 1028 00:51:22,121 --> 00:51:23,539 Hundred percent. 1029 00:51:23,872 --> 00:51:26,500 Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 1030 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,669 welcome to the Holliston Rodeo. 1031 00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:33,048 We say a special hello to our sponsors, Stetson Energy, 1032 00:51:33,173 --> 00:51:36,552 McGuane Energy, Trailways Energy Company, 1033 00:51:36,635 --> 00:51:40,139 Rawson Energy, the T&B Energy Company, 1034 00:51:40,306 --> 00:51:43,767 Panhandle Energy, Andrew & Sons Hardware, 1035 00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:45,811 an Energy Corporation, 1036 00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:49,398 Anderton Energy Transport, Donahue Energy, 1037 00:51:49,523 --> 00:51:51,442 and the Quentin Sellers Music Factory, 1038 00:51:51,567 --> 00:51:55,529 making dreams come true since 2018. 1039 00:51:55,904 --> 00:51:59,533 Now, carrying the six beautiful flags of Texas, 1040 00:51:59,658 --> 00:52:02,369 welcome our beautiful riders. 1041 00:52:03,495 --> 00:52:04,580 All right, Ben. 1042 00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:06,415 The six flags of Texas 1043 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,627 are the six countries that Texas has belonged to. 1044 00:52:09,752 --> 00:52:12,296 Can you name all six? Okay. The United States. 1045 00:52:12,421 --> 00:52:15,007 France, Louisiana Purchase, Spain, 1046 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:16,425 Mexico. 1047 00:52:17,259 --> 00:52:18,594 Um, um... 1048 00:52:19,053 --> 00:52:21,221 Republic of Texas! What's that, five? 1049 00:52:21,347 --> 00:52:22,931 Not bad, brother. Not bad. 1050 00:52:23,015 --> 00:52:24,642 Nobody ever gets five. 1051 00:52:27,603 --> 00:52:28,896 Right. 1052 00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:32,066 So Six Flags, the theme park... 1053 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,150 Exactly. 1054 00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:35,235 Is a Texas company. Right. 1055 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:38,322 Very interesting. 1056 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,117 And now, ladies and gentlemen, if you're a real Texan, 1057 00:52:42,242 --> 00:52:44,953 you know what to do when this song plays. 1058 00:52:50,751 --> 00:52:54,088 Did you really just try to Shazam "Deep in the Heart of Texas"? 1059 00:52:54,213 --> 00:52:55,214 No. 1060 00:52:55,756 --> 00:52:58,759 Now, ladies and gentlemen, who here is a die-hard fan 1061 00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:01,387 of the University of Texas? 1062 00:53:01,470 --> 00:53:02,930 Whoo! 1063 00:53:04,932 --> 00:53:07,810 And who here is a fan of Texas Tech? 1064 00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:15,067 Okay, let's hear from both sides. 1065 00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:17,361 Can we have the UT fan come down? 1066 00:53:17,486 --> 00:53:19,154 - Good luck, buddy. - Give them hell, Ben. 1067 00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:20,739 Is this for real? Are you serious... 1068 00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:22,408 Do you think we're joking? 1069 00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:25,494 And let's get a Texas Tech fan. 1070 00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:39,258 Okay, let's start with Mr. University of Texas. 1071 00:53:40,884 --> 00:53:42,177 Now, what's your name, son? 1072 00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:43,637 Ben Manalowitz. 1073 00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:45,013 What the whosit? 1074 00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:49,101 And what do you do, son? 1075 00:53:49,768 --> 00:53:50,853 I'm a writer. 1076 00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:54,022 A rider? You don't look like a rider. What do you ride, son? 1077 00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:57,234 Well, there's lots of kinds of riding. 1078 00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,028 You can ride horses, steer, tractors. 1079 00:54:00,112 --> 00:54:01,155 No. 1080 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,615 I'm not a rider. I'm a writer. 1081 00:54:05,117 --> 00:54:06,368 I'm a writer. 1082 00:54:08,162 --> 00:54:09,830 So, like, you know... 1083 00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:14,918 when you come across a book or a magazine... 1084 00:54:16,044 --> 00:54:18,505 or even an article that you read online. 1085 00:54:20,591 --> 00:54:24,470 Somebody has to actually think about what those words... 1086 00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:27,222 I know what a writer is, you condescending asshole. 1087 00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:30,726 Well, tell me, Shakespeare, 1088 00:54:30,809 --> 00:54:34,062 what do you like so much about the University of Texas? 1089 00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:40,527 Well, I like that it's a state school. 1090 00:54:41,028 --> 00:54:43,530 So, it gives financial opportunities 1091 00:54:43,864 --> 00:54:46,241 to local people who could use the help. 1092 00:54:47,367 --> 00:54:50,954 And I know that it has a very good film department. 1093 00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:53,207 Some of the graduates include, 1094 00:54:53,332 --> 00:54:55,626 I believe, Richard Linklater. 1095 00:54:55,709 --> 00:54:57,252 Okay. 1096 00:54:57,336 --> 00:54:59,797 And what do you like about Texas Tech? 1097 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,841 Quarterback Matt Harris! 1098 00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:07,513 Guns up! Repping Tech! 1099 00:55:10,182 --> 00:55:12,518 Shake that thang, make that than 1100 00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:14,478 Bend until you think it's gonna break that thang... 1101 00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:15,938 Don't worry about it. 1102 00:55:16,021 --> 00:55:17,773 Nobody's thinking about it. Yeah. 1103 00:55:17,898 --> 00:55:19,817 Erase it from your mind. 1104 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:20,943 Enjoy. 1105 00:55:21,276 --> 00:55:22,945 When she moves that thang grooves that thang 1106 00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:26,073 Swing to the rhythm of the groove that thang 1107 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:28,158 Ooh! Shake it, girls! 1108 00:55:28,283 --> 00:55:29,618 Nobody else does what she does to me 1109 00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:30,828 Not you, KC. 1110 00:55:30,953 --> 00:55:32,454 Shake that thang... 1111 00:55:32,579 --> 00:55:36,250 How do they all know how to do the same... 1112 00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:38,252 Collective consciousness. 1113 00:55:38,794 --> 00:55:41,630 Every song is such a sight to see 1114 00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:43,799 When she moves that thang, grooves that thang 1115 00:55:43,924 --> 00:55:45,634 Swing to the rhythm of the groove that thang 1116 00:55:47,386 --> 00:55:49,012 Speaks for itself 1117 00:55:49,137 --> 00:55:51,723 Nobody else does what she does to me 1118 00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:54,893 When she shakes that thang... 1119 00:55:55,894 --> 00:55:57,145 Sancholo. 1120 00:56:01,608 --> 00:56:02,651 Whoa, whoa, whoa! 1121 00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:04,069 You going over there? Yeah. 1122 00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:06,238 You want my gun? You brought a gun? 1123 00:56:06,488 --> 00:56:08,156 Didn't I? Phone, keys, wallet, gun. 1124 00:56:08,282 --> 00:56:09,533 Yeah. No. No. 1125 00:56:10,075 --> 00:56:12,703 Nobody else does what she does to me 1126 00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:14,997 When she shakes that thang 1127 00:56:15,122 --> 00:56:18,250 Swinging like an old screen door 1128 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,253 Lord, she makes that thang... 1129 00:56:22,296 --> 00:56:24,590 Excuse me, are you Sancholo? 1130 00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:28,385 I was hoping to talk to you for a second. 1131 00:56:28,468 --> 00:56:29,803 You a cop? 1132 00:56:29,887 --> 00:56:31,096 Not a cop. 1133 00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,639 Cop don't have to say he's a cop. 1134 00:56:32,764 --> 00:56:34,057 Then why did you ask? 1135 00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:36,393 Right? 'Cause you're wasting my time. 1136 00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:38,854 Figured I might as well waste yours. 1137 00:56:38,979 --> 00:56:40,230 Look, I'm a journalist. 1138 00:56:40,355 --> 00:56:41,398 I'm doing a story. 1139 00:56:41,481 --> 00:56:43,775 I was really only hoping to ask you a couple of questions. 1140 00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:45,444 I'm just trying to... Just trying to what? 1141 00:56:45,527 --> 00:56:47,154 - Fucking killer! - Hey, Ty. Relax! 1142 00:56:47,279 --> 00:56:48,947 Guys, guys, guys, guys. Whoa, whoa, who! 1143 00:56:50,991 --> 00:56:53,368 Go easy on him. He just lost his sister. 1144 00:56:54,661 --> 00:56:56,538 Most beautiful girl in Texas. 1145 00:56:56,663 --> 00:56:58,498 So what I heard was that you were at the party 1146 00:56:58,624 --> 00:56:59,958 where she died. 1147 00:57:00,626 --> 00:57:01,710 Lucky me. 1148 00:57:02,294 --> 00:57:05,464 She took her last breath on my shoulder. 1149 00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:11,970 My name is Ben Manalowitz. I'm doing a podcast about Abilene. 1150 00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:14,640 I would love to hear your side of the story. 1151 00:57:15,724 --> 00:57:16,725 Hey. 1152 00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:18,894 We got a regular Joe Rogan here. 1153 00:57:19,353 --> 00:57:21,355 Joe Rogan meets Seth Rogen. 1154 00:57:26,151 --> 00:57:27,319 Just you. 1155 00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:05,315 When I was in middle school, 1156 00:58:06,358 --> 00:58:09,486 my mom wouldn't let me read Harry Potter 1157 00:58:09,611 --> 00:58:11,154 because of church stuff. 1158 00:58:12,406 --> 00:58:15,951 So I would call Abby every night. 1159 00:58:17,577 --> 00:58:19,287 She would read it to me. 1160 00:58:23,917 --> 00:58:25,877 I don't know what made her care about me. 1161 00:58:26,503 --> 00:58:30,340 I was like, "Why me? I'm just an effing dropout drug dealer." 1162 00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:33,760 She'd say, "Heart sees heart." 1163 00:58:34,594 --> 00:58:35,846 Right. 1164 00:58:35,971 --> 00:58:37,723 She used to text that to me 1165 00:58:37,806 --> 00:58:41,685 Every day on that dumb-ass little Razr phone. 1166 00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:43,437 You remember those? Yeah. 1167 00:58:43,937 --> 00:58:45,272 5-4-5. 1168 00:58:47,399 --> 00:58:50,569 5-4-5. Heart sees heart. It was, like, her little code. 1169 00:58:54,156 --> 00:58:55,490 I miss her so much. 1170 00:58:56,908 --> 00:58:59,578 You told me that her last breath was on your shoulder. 1171 00:59:00,328 --> 00:59:03,290 And other people told me that you threw the party where she died. 1172 00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:04,750 I wasn't even there. 1173 00:59:06,001 --> 00:59:07,085 Okay. 1174 00:59:08,837 --> 00:59:10,213 Where were you? 1175 00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:17,387 Look at the date. 1176 00:59:24,227 --> 00:59:25,270 Where is this? 1177 00:59:25,395 --> 00:59:27,189 Tulsa. I went to see Adele. 1178 00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:32,778 I was there with my niece. She loves her. 1179 00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:34,112 Adele? 1180 00:59:34,196 --> 00:59:37,032 Obviously, I'm gonna have to kill you if you tell anyone about that. 1181 00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:38,450 No, it's... 1182 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:40,869 Yeah. 1183 00:59:40,994 --> 00:59:42,287 I'm a fan. 1184 00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:49,252 So... you have an alibi, 1185 00:59:49,377 --> 00:59:51,713 but you want people to think you killed her? 1186 00:59:51,797 --> 00:59:53,423 These fucking cartels, man. 1187 00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:55,133 They're gonna control everything pretty soon. 1188 00:59:55,217 --> 00:59:57,594 You're the cartels. No, sir. 1189 00:59:58,303 --> 01:00:01,181 It kills me to claim her, but I don't know. 1190 01:00:03,391 --> 01:00:05,769 If they don't actually think I killed someone, 1191 01:00:05,852 --> 01:00:07,854 then I might have to kill someone 1192 01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:10,982 To prove myself. 1193 01:00:11,358 --> 01:00:14,027 That's not really how it works, is it? It's what I heard. 1194 01:00:14,152 --> 01:00:15,737 Go on Snopes. It's not a real thing. 1195 01:00:15,821 --> 01:00:16,822 Excuse me? 1196 01:00:18,323 --> 01:00:20,659 So, let me piece this together. She OD'd... 1197 01:00:20,784 --> 01:00:22,953 The fuck? This is Abby we're talking about here, okay? 1198 01:00:23,036 --> 01:00:24,454 She wouldn't touch the stuff. 1199 01:00:24,538 --> 01:00:25,831 Girl wouldn't touch an Advil. 1200 01:00:28,083 --> 01:00:31,336 Listen, they found her two and a half miles from the party, 1201 01:00:31,419 --> 01:00:34,256 at a spot where all the deaths happen called "the Afterparty." 1202 01:00:34,381 --> 01:00:36,883 You don't just wander off like that by yourself. 1203 01:00:37,592 --> 01:00:39,010 Someone takes you there. 1204 01:00:40,929 --> 01:00:42,514 This was no OD. 1205 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:43,765 No fucking way. 1206 01:00:46,685 --> 01:00:48,395 Who goes to these parties? 1207 01:00:48,687 --> 01:00:49,855 Everybody. 1208 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:51,898 Everybody goes. Nobody went. Yeah. 1209 01:00:53,441 --> 01:00:55,235 Same people every time? Yes. 1210 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,530 When's the next one? 1211 01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:01,116 Whenever I want. 1212 01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:11,835 You're at 11 %, bro. 1213 01:01:12,627 --> 01:01:14,588 You might want to switch to low power mode. 1214 01:01:15,881 --> 01:01:17,215 Thank you. 1215 01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:31,563 Hello? 1216 01:01:32,439 --> 01:01:33,690 What if she was murdered? 1217 01:01:35,901 --> 01:01:36,902 What? 1218 01:01:36,985 --> 01:01:38,486 We dismissed the first theory presented 1219 01:01:38,570 --> 01:01:39,654 without even thinking about it. 1220 01:01:39,779 --> 01:01:41,573 What if we're not taking them seriously? 1221 01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:45,827 Wait, so are you saying the Mexican drug dealer did it? 1222 01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:47,495 Definitely not that. 1223 01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:49,539 But that was the first theory presented. 1224 01:01:49,623 --> 01:01:51,374 I'm just sure it wasn't that. 1225 01:01:52,834 --> 01:01:54,294 Why are you so sure? 1226 01:01:54,878 --> 01:01:55,921 Gut. 1227 01:01:56,421 --> 01:01:57,672 Gut? Look, 1228 01:01:57,797 --> 01:01:59,424 I know we liked what we had before. 1229 01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:02,344 Something about America and fantasy and regret 1230 01:02:02,469 --> 01:02:03,762 and the meaning of vengeance. 1231 01:02:03,887 --> 01:02:06,431 No, no. This... This is better. 1232 01:02:08,516 --> 01:02:10,101 This just keeps getting bigger and bigger. 1233 01:02:11,186 --> 01:02:12,312 Right? 1234 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:13,480 Okay. 1235 01:02:13,855 --> 01:02:15,065 Stay safe. 1236 01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:16,650 Get the story. 1237 01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:18,193 Not in that order. 1238 01:02:18,276 --> 01:02:20,070 No. In that order. 1239 01:02:49,391 --> 01:02:50,934 What are you watching? 1240 01:02:51,017 --> 01:02:52,060 Um... 1241 01:02:52,644 --> 01:02:54,062 Videos of Abilene. 1242 01:02:58,441 --> 01:02:59,734 Do you see my phone? 1243 01:03:01,194 --> 01:03:02,612 How it's, like, cracked. 1244 01:03:03,154 --> 01:03:04,155 Yeah. 1245 01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,158 It makes me look the way that I feel. 1246 01:03:08,952 --> 01:03:11,538 Um... 1247 01:03:14,124 --> 01:03:15,458 Where do I know you from? 1248 01:03:16,084 --> 01:03:18,795 Rodeo. It's the Longhorns fan. 1249 01:03:18,878 --> 01:03:21,298 Indeed it is, Mike. Indeed it is. 1250 01:03:21,381 --> 01:03:22,757 Actually, that was a misunderstanding. 1251 01:03:22,882 --> 01:03:24,592 I'm sorry. I'm not even a football fan. 1252 01:03:24,718 --> 01:03:26,428 I was just trying to fit in. 1253 01:03:26,511 --> 01:03:28,179 Funny way to fit in around here. 1254 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:29,681 Point taken. 1255 01:03:29,764 --> 01:03:32,058 I didn't know there was gonna be another team. 1256 01:03:32,183 --> 01:03:33,893 I was cheering for Texas. 1257 01:03:36,104 --> 01:03:37,397 Um... 1258 01:03:37,731 --> 01:03:40,650 I'd love to ask you a couple questions about the death of Abilene Shaw. 1259 01:03:40,775 --> 01:03:42,152 OD'd. Accident. 1260 01:03:42,277 --> 01:03:43,695 I know that was the official report. 1261 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:45,613 I was wondering, were you able to talk to anyone 1262 01:03:45,739 --> 01:03:47,157 who was there the night she died? 1263 01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,452 You ever go to a party out by the pump jacks? 1264 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,997 Everybody goes and nobody was there. 1265 01:03:54,122 --> 01:03:56,708 I wasn't there. I wasn't there. 1266 01:03:59,586 --> 01:04:01,379 Why are you so interested anyway? 1267 01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:03,465 You her boyfriend or something? 1268 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,385 We hung out. 1269 01:04:08,178 --> 01:04:09,596 Yeah. Yeah, I was her boyfriend. 1270 01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,931 Well, you know, 90% of the time it's the boyfriend who did it. 1271 01:04:12,057 --> 01:04:13,725 Okay, I wasn't really her boyfriend. 1272 01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:16,061 His story's starting to sound a little inconsistent. 1273 01:04:16,186 --> 01:04:18,063 Swiss cheese. 1274 01:04:18,146 --> 01:04:20,940 Yeah, I'm not trying to cause any problems here. 1275 01:04:21,066 --> 01:04:22,734 I'm really just trying to help the family. 1276 01:04:22,817 --> 01:04:25,236 You know, this isn't even our jurisdiction anyways. 1277 01:04:26,446 --> 01:04:29,574 Party happened outside city limits. That's county, not city. 1278 01:04:29,699 --> 01:04:31,201 County sheriff. Sheriff'll talk. 1279 01:04:31,326 --> 01:04:32,535 Sheriff's a politician. 1280 01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:34,329 Ain't that a fact. 1281 01:04:34,412 --> 01:04:36,164 I'd love to help you, son, but our policy is 1282 01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:38,875 we can't comment on our process or cases. 1283 01:04:39,626 --> 01:04:42,170 Well, I was interviewing people for a podcast 1284 01:04:42,295 --> 01:04:43,838 that could be heard by millions of people. 1285 01:04:43,963 --> 01:04:46,424 But I guess that's not a possibility. 1286 01:04:47,217 --> 01:04:48,676 These are oxy sticks. 1287 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,220 See how the pills are squared off? 1288 01:04:50,303 --> 01:04:52,931 That way, they can pack 'em in boxes to the corners 1289 01:04:53,014 --> 01:04:54,891 without wasting any space. 1290 01:04:55,016 --> 01:04:56,684 That's how big this business is. 1291 01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:58,019 We don't know who's shipping it. 1292 01:04:58,103 --> 01:04:59,979 All we know is they're coming along the interstate 1293 01:05:00,105 --> 01:05:01,231 right along the border. 1294 01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:03,441 And that route cuts right by the oil field 1295 01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:04,859 where the party was. 1296 01:05:04,943 --> 01:05:06,611 The most common overdose spot in the county. 1297 01:05:06,736 --> 01:05:08,238 We call it "the Afterparty." 1298 01:05:09,322 --> 01:05:10,782 Very common thing, sad to say. 1299 01:05:12,158 --> 01:05:13,743 What's this right here? 1300 01:05:13,868 --> 01:05:16,246 Looks like two pairs of prints. 1301 01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:17,372 Cowboy boots. 1302 01:05:18,832 --> 01:05:21,501 Calling out an APB to find two men wearing cowboy boots. 1303 01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:26,089 - Okay. - What the fuck? 1304 01:05:26,214 --> 01:05:27,424 Stand down. 1305 01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:31,052 Son, I wish you well, I really do. 1306 01:05:31,136 --> 01:05:34,139 And bless your little heart, but this ain't even our jurisdiction, though. 1307 01:05:35,223 --> 01:05:36,433 It's not? No, sir. 1308 01:05:36,516 --> 01:05:38,143 This was along the highway. 1309 01:05:38,268 --> 01:05:40,061 You want to talk to highway patrol. 1310 01:05:41,104 --> 01:05:43,273 Well, ain't that just like a sheriff to puff his hot air 1311 01:05:43,356 --> 01:05:45,442 and blow you straight into my office. 1312 01:05:45,567 --> 01:05:48,778 If there's a drug overdose at a party in some fucking field off 29, 1313 01:05:48,862 --> 01:05:51,156 I'm sorry, but we got shit to do. 1314 01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:54,659 We're not a bunch of Army rejects just gazing at the Rio Grande. 1315 01:05:54,784 --> 01:05:56,911 I never said that you were. I wasn't talking about us. 1316 01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:59,497 Is that what they told you over at highway patrol? 1317 01:05:59,622 --> 01:06:03,418 You can go tell Junior Brown and the rest of them glorified meter maids 1318 01:06:03,543 --> 01:06:05,962 that if they spent more time with their real guns 1319 01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:07,839 and less with their radar guns, 1320 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:10,467 we might not have to chase the goddamn Texas syndicate 1321 01:06:10,592 --> 01:06:13,178 up and down the Trans-Pecos! Got it? 1322 01:06:13,303 --> 01:06:16,806 Yes. If I find a natural way to work that into the conversation with them, 1323 01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:17,932 I will do that. 1324 01:06:18,057 --> 01:06:19,851 - DRT. - DRT. 1325 01:06:19,934 --> 01:06:21,811 DRT. Dead right there. 1326 01:06:22,687 --> 01:06:24,772 Law enforcement was no help at all. 1327 01:06:25,398 --> 01:06:27,567 You're learning a lot down there, aren't you? 1328 01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:30,403 The murder or overdose happened where a lot 1329 01:06:30,487 --> 01:06:31,654 of these things happen. 1330 01:06:31,738 --> 01:06:34,365 At the intersection of four overlapping jurisdictions. 1331 01:06:34,449 --> 01:06:37,076 So they all kicked it to each other. What are the odds? 1332 01:06:37,702 --> 01:06:39,287 What are the odds? 1333 01:06:40,288 --> 01:06:41,831 Okay, I'm gonna kick this around 1334 01:06:41,956 --> 01:06:44,417 with the team for a little bit, shake up the Boggle board, 1335 01:06:44,501 --> 01:06:47,212 and then I'm gonna hit up Robin to get her thoughts. 1336 01:06:47,337 --> 01:06:49,714 All right. Thanks, Eloise. Thanks, everybody. 1337 01:06:49,797 --> 01:06:51,341 - Bye, Ben. - Bye, Ben. 1338 01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:56,971 Um... 1339 01:06:57,889 --> 01:07:00,016 You're probably not even gonna watch this, 1340 01:07:00,099 --> 01:07:04,229 but I'm back home in Texas, and I'm bored. 1341 01:07:05,522 --> 01:07:07,148 This is my little brother, Mason. 1342 01:07:07,815 --> 01:07:10,443 He sleeps on my floor because he's afraid of ghosts. 1343 01:07:10,527 --> 01:07:12,487 And I tried to tell him 1344 01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:14,906 there's no such thing as ghosts, but whatever. 1345 01:07:14,989 --> 01:07:16,533 It keeps him close to me. 1346 01:07:17,992 --> 01:07:20,328 So I guess it's not all bad being here. 1347 01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:22,580 That's... 1348 01:07:23,498 --> 01:07:24,832 Well, that's it. 1349 01:07:32,757 --> 01:07:33,758 Mason. 1350 01:07:35,426 --> 01:07:36,553 Yes, sir? 1351 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:42,934 Just saying good night. 1352 01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:45,728 You woke me up just to say good night? 1353 01:07:47,981 --> 01:07:49,107 Yes, sir. 1354 01:07:54,112 --> 01:07:55,780 I love you mucho. 1355 01:07:58,616 --> 01:07:59,909 Collective consciousness. 1356 01:08:00,535 --> 01:08:02,579 If everyone believes the same thing... 1357 01:08:04,664 --> 01:08:06,583 but without any facts to support it, 1358 01:08:06,666 --> 01:08:09,377 do we listen to that intuition or dismiss it? 1359 01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:10,587 An overdose? 1360 01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:12,380 Girl never took so much as an Advil in her life. 1361 01:08:12,505 --> 01:08:14,090 She never touched so much as an Advil. 1362 01:08:14,173 --> 01:08:16,009 You ever go to a party out by the pump jacks? 1363 01:08:16,134 --> 01:08:17,510 - Everybody goes. - Nobody went. 1364 01:08:17,594 --> 01:08:18,595 I wasn't there. 1365 01:08:20,847 --> 01:08:22,932 The problem is you get all these bright, creative lights 1366 01:08:23,016 --> 01:08:24,601 and nowhere to plug in their energy. 1367 01:08:24,684 --> 01:08:26,769 And so it gets channeled into conspiracy theories 1368 01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:27,895 and drugs and violence. 1369 01:08:27,979 --> 01:08:30,273 I came here to find out why people in grief 1370 01:08:30,356 --> 01:08:31,691 would choose to believe a myth. 1371 01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:33,860 I don't know shit about how this all connects, 1372 01:08:33,985 --> 01:08:35,612 but you bet your ass it does. 1373 01:08:35,695 --> 01:08:37,322 MS-13? La Linea? 1374 01:08:37,447 --> 01:08:39,365 Yeah, I'm familiar with La Linea. 1375 01:08:39,490 --> 01:08:41,409 They actually murdered 41 journalists last year. 1376 01:08:41,534 --> 01:08:43,411 They've done bad things, too. 1377 01:08:50,501 --> 01:08:52,128 But now I find myself wondering 1378 01:08:52,211 --> 01:08:55,256 how much truth might be embedded in that intuition. 1379 01:08:55,381 --> 01:08:57,508 You don't happen to know her phone password, do you? 1380 01:08:57,592 --> 01:08:59,469 Took it to every Geek Squad in the state. 1381 01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:00,803 It's impossible to crack. 1382 01:09:00,887 --> 01:09:02,639 This ain't us. You got the wrong department. 1383 01:09:02,722 --> 01:09:04,057 Highway patrol. Mike and Dan. 1384 01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:05,767 Border Patrol. Sheriff's department. 1385 01:09:05,850 --> 01:09:08,227 You want county. BEN: Everything's bigger in Texas, 1386 01:09:08,353 --> 01:09:11,522 including your expectations and its reality. 1387 01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:14,400 I'm your host, Ben Manalowitz, 1388 01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:18,237 and from American Radio Collective, this is Abilene. 1389 01:09:19,572 --> 01:09:22,075 Hey. Guess who's on the line. 1390 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,576 Hey. It's Robin. 1391 01:09:23,701 --> 01:09:25,078 I produce American Moment. 1392 01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:27,080 Yeah. I know who you are. 1393 01:09:27,205 --> 01:09:28,831 It's great to meet you, Robin. 1394 01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:30,500 How are you? Great to talk to you. 1395 01:09:30,625 --> 01:09:32,835 I love what you're doing with "Dead White Girl". 1396 01:09:32,919 --> 01:09:34,587 Thank you. Thank you so much. 1397 01:09:35,213 --> 01:09:37,215 Eloise pitched that we use some of the story 1398 01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:39,258 as a segment on American Moment, 1399 01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,260 and that would help promote your series. 1400 01:09:41,344 --> 01:09:43,179 Wow. So it'd be on American Moment? 1401 01:09:43,304 --> 01:09:44,847 Everything you're getting is great. 1402 01:09:44,931 --> 01:09:46,349 The characters are amazing. 1403 01:09:46,432 --> 01:09:48,518 Yeah. No, I mean, the characters are unbelievable. 1404 01:09:48,643 --> 01:09:50,061 Ty is just a total firecracker. 1405 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:52,355 And Granny deserves her own show. 1406 01:09:52,438 --> 01:09:54,357 And then Abilene, I mean... 1407 01:09:55,441 --> 01:09:56,693 The more people hear her voice, 1408 01:09:56,818 --> 01:09:58,653 the more they're gonna fall in love with her. 1409 01:09:58,778 --> 01:10:01,155 So if you think you can tighten up what you have, 1410 01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:03,700 we can work it into Sunday's episode. 1411 01:10:05,118 --> 01:10:07,954 Yeah. I... Absolutely. I'd love to. 1412 01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:09,956 Wow. Yeah, I can do that. 1413 01:10:10,415 --> 01:10:12,083 Can I ask what you're eating? 1414 01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:13,876 This is Frito pie. 1415 01:10:14,001 --> 01:10:15,294 It's great sound. 1416 01:10:15,378 --> 01:10:16,421 What is that? 1417 01:10:17,422 --> 01:10:20,383 Frito pie is when they cut open a bag of Fritos 1418 01:10:20,508 --> 01:10:21,551 and they pour chili in it. 1419 01:10:21,634 --> 01:10:23,177 Then you eat it out of the bag with a fork. 1420 01:10:23,261 --> 01:10:24,303 That is disgusting. 1421 01:10:24,429 --> 01:10:25,555 Yeah, in a good way. 1422 01:10:28,057 --> 01:10:29,308 Ben, are you there? 1423 01:10:30,852 --> 01:10:32,311 Ben, did I lose you? 1424 01:10:39,861 --> 01:10:41,404 What happened to you, son? 1425 01:10:42,739 --> 01:10:44,323 My Prius exploded. 1426 01:10:50,538 --> 01:10:52,707 Thank heavens. Are you all right? 1427 01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:53,791 Hey. 1428 01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:55,293 Yeah. Look at that. 1429 01:10:55,418 --> 01:10:56,919 Hey. What happened? 1430 01:10:57,044 --> 01:10:59,589 I'm fine. His car blew up, Mom! 1431 01:10:59,714 --> 01:11:00,840 It's so fucked up! This... 1432 01:11:00,965 --> 01:11:02,467 Tyler Clayton! Sorry. 1433 01:11:02,592 --> 01:11:04,093 We're just so grateful you're all right. 1434 01:11:04,177 --> 01:11:07,680 My God. What if you were driving a real car with gas and stuff? 1435 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:10,641 Yeah. 1436 01:11:10,725 --> 01:11:13,186 Ben, this is a message that we're getting close. 1437 01:11:13,311 --> 01:11:17,106 Or it's kids fucking around for no reason with Tannerite. 1438 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,030 I can't believe you're all here. 1439 01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:25,907 Well, where else would we be? 1440 01:11:26,908 --> 01:11:28,951 Come on. The girls are waiting in the car. 1441 01:11:29,952 --> 01:11:31,120 Let's go. 1442 01:11:31,204 --> 01:11:32,622 Hey, are you limping? No. 1443 01:11:32,747 --> 01:11:33,831 You sure about that? 1444 01:11:33,915 --> 01:11:35,792 Come on, Mama. His face looks all right. 1445 01:11:35,917 --> 01:11:37,585 He's gonna be all right. Yeah, I seen worse. 1446 01:11:37,710 --> 01:11:38,836 Come on, buddy. 1447 01:11:40,171 --> 01:11:41,672 - How is everything? - So good. 1448 01:11:41,756 --> 01:11:42,840 This is our friend Ben. 1449 01:11:42,924 --> 01:11:44,926 And this is his first time at Whataburger. 1450 01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:48,930 Let's have a toast. Thank you. 1451 01:11:49,055 --> 01:11:50,306 To Ben. Come on, to Ben. 1452 01:11:50,389 --> 01:11:51,766 Whataburger, Whataburger. To a good milkshake. 1453 01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:52,975 Over there. 1454 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:54,101 Thanks. 1455 01:11:55,561 --> 01:11:57,563 Well, what do you think? 1456 01:11:58,773 --> 01:12:00,650 I love this. You do? 1457 01:12:02,068 --> 01:12:04,946 And it's always right there. 1458 01:12:10,743 --> 01:12:11,994 Excuse me, Mama. 1459 01:12:14,789 --> 01:12:15,832 It's a Texas thing. 1460 01:12:15,915 --> 01:12:17,834 You're not supposed to do it, but you're supposed to do it. 1461 01:12:18,376 --> 01:12:19,961 You're supposed to take your lucky number, 1462 01:12:20,086 --> 01:12:22,505 but we figure every number's lucky to somebody, 1463 01:12:22,588 --> 01:12:23,714 so we take all of 'em. 1464 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,258 I won't tell Mike and Dan. 1465 01:12:25,383 --> 01:12:26,467 Like they'd do anything. 1466 01:12:26,592 --> 01:12:27,969 They'd say it was an accident. 1467 01:12:29,762 --> 01:12:30,805 Party tonight. 1468 01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:32,306 What's the dress code? 1469 01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:34,684 Broncos and buckle bunnies. 1470 01:12:34,934 --> 01:12:36,727 You know, they're seriously phoning it in 1471 01:12:36,811 --> 01:12:38,020 with the themes nowadays. 1472 01:12:38,563 --> 01:12:40,940 You want to come tonight? You can borrow something from my closet. 1473 01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:42,149 You're okay to go? 1474 01:12:42,233 --> 01:12:44,235 It doesn't stir up too many feelings for you? 1475 01:12:46,863 --> 01:12:48,239 You gotta keep living life. 1476 01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:49,866 Like Catherine the Great said, 1477 01:12:49,991 --> 01:12:52,034 you gotta get right back under the horse. 1478 01:12:53,703 --> 01:12:55,329 Tyler Clayton. What? 1479 01:12:55,413 --> 01:12:59,125 I listened to that history podcast you recommended. 1480 01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:00,585 I've got a question for you. 1481 01:13:00,668 --> 01:13:02,461 Have you got family in Texas? 1482 01:13:02,545 --> 01:13:03,588 No. 1483 01:13:03,713 --> 01:13:04,922 You do now. 1484 01:13:05,631 --> 01:13:07,717 - Isn't that right, everybody? - Yes, ma'am. 1485 01:13:07,842 --> 01:13:09,468 Careful what you wish for, Ben. 1486 01:13:14,599 --> 01:13:15,600 One second. 1487 01:13:15,683 --> 01:13:17,685 Who's got a honey thing over there? 1488 01:13:17,768 --> 01:13:20,104 I got some right here. Anybody? 1489 01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:22,398 - Hey. What's up? - Hey. 1490 01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:24,025 Your car blew up? 1491 01:13:24,150 --> 01:13:25,526 Are you okay? 1492 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:26,986 Yeah. Yes. 1493 01:13:27,069 --> 01:13:29,363 I mean, I wish I got that extra rental insurance 1494 01:13:29,488 --> 01:13:31,532 that no one ever gets, but I'm fine. 1495 01:13:31,657 --> 01:13:34,785 Good. Well, listen, I finished it, and everyone loves it. 1496 01:13:34,911 --> 01:13:36,787 Thanks. What do you mean "finished it"? 1497 01:13:36,871 --> 01:13:38,039 You're clearly in danger, 1498 01:13:38,164 --> 01:13:40,249 and you've already got everything you need. 1499 01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:43,753 Well, I didn't solve the murder. 1500 01:13:44,462 --> 01:13:46,088 It's better this way. 1501 01:13:46,213 --> 01:13:49,508 You know, an ambiguous ending without resolution. 1502 01:13:49,592 --> 01:13:53,679 That's... That's the secret weapon with a story like this. 1503 01:13:53,763 --> 01:13:55,056 It gnaws at you. 1504 01:13:55,139 --> 01:13:57,308 It haunts you forever. 1505 01:13:57,433 --> 01:13:58,684 You never let it go. 1506 01:13:58,809 --> 01:14:00,227 No, there's more to it, Eloise. 1507 01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:01,312 I'm getting so close. 1508 01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:02,855 As much as we'd love to see you 1509 01:14:02,980 --> 01:14:04,649 blown up for a story... No, no. 1510 01:14:04,732 --> 01:14:08,361 my conscience tells me I have to choose a person over a story. 1511 01:14:08,486 --> 01:14:09,528 No. 1512 01:14:10,237 --> 01:14:11,280 No, no. 1513 01:14:11,364 --> 01:14:14,825 Otherwise, it would take, like, two years of therapy 1514 01:14:15,201 --> 01:14:17,203 to justify it, and... 1515 01:14:17,828 --> 01:14:19,622 I can't afford that on my plan. 1516 01:14:20,164 --> 01:14:22,458 Look, you're gonna be huge from this. 1517 01:14:22,541 --> 01:14:23,668 Okay? 1518 01:14:23,751 --> 01:14:24,877 Come home. 1519 01:14:29,548 --> 01:14:31,092 You remember? Hey, you. 1520 01:14:31,217 --> 01:14:32,969 Hey. Sorry about that. 1521 01:14:33,427 --> 01:14:34,512 Who was that? 1522 01:14:35,096 --> 01:14:36,472 Friend. 1523 01:14:36,597 --> 01:14:38,307 Was it Equinox Girl Cute? 1524 01:14:38,391 --> 01:14:40,017 Or was it Natalie Bumble? 1525 01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:41,894 It was my podcast producer. 1526 01:14:42,353 --> 01:14:44,271 And everything's on track. 1527 01:14:45,314 --> 01:14:46,816 You're very sweet to ask. 1528 01:14:47,024 --> 01:14:48,401 I love you mucho. 1529 01:14:48,526 --> 01:14:50,695 We're so lucky you found Abilene. 1530 01:14:52,196 --> 01:14:54,448 I really don't know what she saw in me. 1531 01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:55,533 I do. 1532 01:14:55,616 --> 01:14:57,201 I get it. I totally get it. 1533 01:14:58,661 --> 01:15:00,162 Heart sees heart. 1534 01:15:01,747 --> 01:15:06,168 You know, when I came down here to spend time with Abby's... 1535 01:15:06,293 --> 01:15:09,005 "Crazy Texan family," right? Yeah. 1536 01:15:10,047 --> 01:15:12,675 I never thought it would be like this. 1537 01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:14,635 People can surprise you. 1538 01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:16,303 Yeah. 1539 01:15:16,429 --> 01:15:17,763 Like Abilene. 1540 01:15:17,888 --> 01:15:19,348 I mean, she was full of surprises. 1541 01:15:19,432 --> 01:15:20,808 Like Abilene. 1542 01:15:20,933 --> 01:15:24,353 Great reputation, but a huge pill-popper. 1543 01:15:29,942 --> 01:15:31,318 What? 1544 01:15:31,444 --> 01:15:32,862 What'd you just say? 1545 01:15:32,987 --> 01:15:35,072 Put that in your podcast, maybe. 1546 01:15:35,197 --> 01:15:36,615 Where'd you hear that? 1547 01:15:36,741 --> 01:15:38,034 The girls told me. 1548 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:46,709 Ty told us not to say anything. 1549 01:16:01,182 --> 01:16:02,850 Are you fucking serious? 1550 01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:06,520 I thought you wouldn't do this with me 1551 01:16:06,645 --> 01:16:08,564 if you knew that she was using. 1552 01:16:08,647 --> 01:16:09,899 You think? 1553 01:16:09,982 --> 01:16:12,443 Drugs was something Abilene did. It's not who she was. 1554 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:13,903 But it is how she died, 1555 01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:15,821 which is what we were investigating. 1556 01:16:15,905 --> 01:16:17,198 I thought there was more to this. 1557 01:16:17,281 --> 01:16:19,158 I thought that you and I would get to know each other, 1558 01:16:19,241 --> 01:16:20,284 and that would be cool. 1559 01:16:20,826 --> 01:16:23,162 I... Maybe it was part of the grieving process. 1560 01:16:23,245 --> 01:16:24,246 Denial? 1561 01:16:24,371 --> 01:16:26,332 Isn't that one of the 12 steps of grief? 1562 01:16:26,457 --> 01:16:28,626 It's five stages of grief, 12 steps to recovery, 1563 01:16:28,751 --> 01:16:31,420 but I understand that everyone here is more familiar with the latter. 1564 01:16:31,545 --> 01:16:32,713 It's complicated. 1565 01:16:32,838 --> 01:16:34,381 It's not. It's actually very simple. 1566 01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:37,468 Everything here is actually really simple, 1567 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:40,638 and maybe that's why it took me so long to understand it. 1568 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:45,226 Well, I was following my heart, and that's what we do around here. 1569 01:16:45,935 --> 01:16:47,019 You follow your heart. 1570 01:16:47,144 --> 01:16:48,479 Yeah. 1571 01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:51,816 Well, maybe it's time to look around 1572 01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:54,693 and ask yourselves how that's working out for you. 1573 01:16:54,944 --> 01:16:57,863 Maybe you should try following your brain for a change. 1574 01:16:57,947 --> 01:16:59,907 Because when you follow your heart, 1575 01:17:00,074 --> 01:17:03,911 the Earth is flat, climate change is a hoax, 1576 01:17:03,994 --> 01:17:06,413 vaccines contain microchips, 1577 01:17:06,539 --> 01:17:10,000 and Mexican drug dealers killed your sister. 1578 01:17:10,084 --> 01:17:13,087 You invent these insane fucking narratives 1579 01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:15,464 to explain why your lives are such shit shows 1580 01:17:15,589 --> 01:17:18,384 because the truth is too scary for you to face, 1581 01:17:18,509 --> 01:17:21,303 which is that you did it to yourselves. 1582 01:17:21,387 --> 01:17:23,806 Do you know what people say about you guys where I'm from? 1583 01:17:24,473 --> 01:17:26,517 Let me guess. Bad things. No. Worse. 1584 01:17:27,059 --> 01:17:28,352 We say good things. 1585 01:17:28,477 --> 01:17:30,896 "We took them seriously when we should've taken them literally." 1586 01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:31,981 You're neither. 1587 01:17:32,106 --> 01:17:33,691 You're not serious people. 1588 01:17:33,816 --> 01:17:35,734 And maybe it's time for you all 1589 01:17:35,818 --> 01:17:37,945 to take us seriously and literally 1590 01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:41,240 because where I'm from is fun and interesting. 1591 01:17:41,323 --> 01:17:43,993 And the people are rich and diverse, 1592 01:17:44,118 --> 01:17:48,831 and, meanwhile, your town looks like this! 1593 01:17:48,956 --> 01:17:50,291 Bless your heart. 1594 01:17:50,416 --> 01:17:51,834 And I know what that means. 1595 01:17:51,917 --> 01:17:54,003 So you know what? Bless your heart. 1596 01:17:54,086 --> 01:17:56,172 Bless your heart. Bless all your hearts. 1597 01:17:56,255 --> 01:17:58,299 All your hearts can go bless themselves. 1598 01:17:58,424 --> 01:17:59,967 Who are you to talk to us? 1599 01:18:01,010 --> 01:18:04,221 I had to drag you to her fucking funeral! 1600 01:18:07,892 --> 01:18:09,185 Who are you? 1601 01:18:10,561 --> 01:18:12,354 If your car would've blown up in Brooklyn, 1602 01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,692 would anyone, anyone, come to help you? 1603 01:18:17,234 --> 01:18:19,695 First of all, I wouldn't have needed a car in Brooklyn. 1604 01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:23,199 Second, if I had one, I doubt it would've been blown up 1605 01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:24,909 by God knows who. 1606 01:18:25,784 --> 01:18:27,036 I don't understand you people. 1607 01:18:27,161 --> 01:18:28,996 "You people" is a microaggression. 1608 01:18:29,121 --> 01:18:30,831 My apologies. Y'all. 1609 01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:33,167 "Y'all" is a cultural appropriation. 1610 01:18:33,292 --> 01:18:35,419 Paris... 1611 01:18:35,544 --> 01:18:38,672 you accusing someone of cultural appropriation 1612 01:18:38,797 --> 01:18:40,633 is cultural appropriation. 1613 01:18:41,342 --> 01:18:43,510 Why wouldn't you look after her? 1614 01:18:43,886 --> 01:18:45,262 Check in on her? 1615 01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:48,057 You wouldn't do anything for her, would you? 1616 01:18:48,140 --> 01:18:50,226 That's right. I wouldn't. 1617 01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:52,770 I was hooking up with different people, 1618 01:18:52,895 --> 01:18:55,356 and I assumed she was, too, 1619 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,400 because I live in the real world, 1620 01:18:58,525 --> 01:19:01,237 and that's what everybody does. 1621 01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:03,864 I tried to tell you this when you called. 1622 01:19:04,406 --> 01:19:06,158 She wasn't my girlfriend. 1623 01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:08,827 She was just a girl in my phone. 1624 01:19:17,169 --> 01:19:18,712 Now you've been in a fight. 1625 01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:33,978 I don't know the whole story... 1626 01:19:35,729 --> 01:19:37,481 but life is complicated. 1627 01:19:37,606 --> 01:19:40,192 Even around here, if you can believe that. 1628 01:19:41,735 --> 01:19:43,529 I'll tell you what I think. 1629 01:19:45,197 --> 01:19:47,491 I think people don't do drugs for no reason. 1630 01:19:48,450 --> 01:19:50,452 They do drugs because they're in pain. 1631 01:19:50,536 --> 01:19:51,745 Pain like... 1632 01:19:52,579 --> 01:19:55,165 Like maybe caring for someone who hardly knows your name. 1633 01:19:57,167 --> 01:19:58,544 So, I don't know, Ben. 1634 01:19:59,962 --> 01:20:03,173 But if you're still looking for someone to blame for what happened, 1635 01:20:04,091 --> 01:20:06,343 you may not have needed to come all this way. 1636 01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:13,225 Bless your heart. 1637 01:21:16,997 --> 01:21:20,334 You were right, Eloise. I was the story. 1638 01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:24,004 A self-absorbed know-it-all 1639 01:21:24,129 --> 01:21:28,133 thinks he's gonna figure out the meaning of America, 1640 01:21:29,009 --> 01:21:31,387 and all he learns is how empty he is. 1641 01:21:34,264 --> 01:21:36,100 I was the one living a myth. 1642 01:21:39,436 --> 01:21:42,147 They say you regret the things you don't do. 1643 01:21:44,233 --> 01:21:45,567 I didn't love. 1644 01:21:49,780 --> 01:21:51,031 I have no story. 1645 01:21:52,116 --> 01:21:53,492 I guess that's the story. 1646 01:21:54,743 --> 01:21:57,329 I am the story, and the story sucks. 1647 01:21:58,622 --> 01:21:59,998 The story is nothing. 1648 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,419 I'm coming home. 1649 01:22:09,091 --> 01:22:10,300 I'm scared. 1650 01:22:11,009 --> 01:22:12,344 What are you scared of? 1651 01:22:13,429 --> 01:22:14,596 Ghosts. 1652 01:22:15,139 --> 01:22:16,348 Ghosts aren't real. 1653 01:22:17,057 --> 01:22:20,144 If they're not real, how come everyone knows what they are? 1654 01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:23,939 They're real as an idea, but they're not "real" real. 1655 01:22:24,815 --> 01:22:28,110 That's what's scary about ghosts, that they aren't real. 1656 01:22:28,861 --> 01:22:31,572 If ghosts were real, they wouldn't be scary at all, right? 1657 01:22:31,655 --> 01:22:34,867 We would just smile and say, "Hi, ghosts." 1658 01:22:34,992 --> 01:22:36,201 Hi, ghosts. 1659 01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:39,288 Hi, ghost. 1660 01:22:40,747 --> 01:22:42,624 Wouldn't that be cool? 1661 01:22:42,749 --> 01:22:47,421 If when someone wasn't there anymore, there was still a little piece of them 1662 01:22:47,504 --> 01:22:49,840 that could surprise you sometimes? 1663 01:22:50,424 --> 01:22:51,633 Yeah. 1664 01:22:52,342 --> 01:22:54,344 But there's not, there's nothing. 1665 01:22:55,345 --> 01:22:57,431 And that's what's scary about ghosts. 1666 01:22:57,514 --> 01:23:02,102 That the little piece of someone 1667 01:23:02,186 --> 01:23:04,855 that feels like it might still be there 1668 01:23:04,938 --> 01:23:06,815 isn't there at all. 1669 01:23:11,278 --> 01:23:12,696 Do you feel better? 1670 01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:13,989 No. 1671 01:23:15,491 --> 01:23:16,825 Me neither. 1672 01:23:21,288 --> 01:23:22,623 Thanks for listening. 1673 01:23:25,792 --> 01:23:27,503 I'm leaving tomorrow, Mason. 1674 01:23:29,379 --> 01:23:30,631 I love you mucho. 1675 01:23:31,089 --> 01:23:33,759 One-four-three-five. What? 1676 01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:35,260 One-four-three-five. 1677 01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:37,638 It's what Abby used to say to me. 1678 01:23:38,096 --> 01:23:40,682 She used to say, "I love you mucho," 1679 01:23:40,807 --> 01:23:42,059 but then she shortened it. 1680 01:23:42,184 --> 01:23:44,102 So it was kind of like a secret code 1681 01:23:44,228 --> 01:23:47,314 'cause that's the number of letters in "I love you mucho." 1682 01:23:48,607 --> 01:23:50,234 One-four-three-five. 1683 01:25:19,031 --> 01:25:20,407 Hello? 1684 01:25:21,658 --> 01:25:23,076 This is beautiful. 1685 01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:24,286 What is? 1686 01:25:25,621 --> 01:25:28,373 What you just recorded. Your concluding piece. 1687 01:25:29,374 --> 01:25:31,793 It's what we talked about from the beginning. 1688 01:25:31,877 --> 01:25:33,712 It's disconnection, myth... 1689 01:25:35,339 --> 01:25:37,966 Stories are always personal, but... 1690 01:25:39,635 --> 01:25:41,136 this is you. 1691 01:25:42,929 --> 01:25:44,556 You know, it's so you. 1692 01:25:44,681 --> 01:25:47,893 It's kind of... everyone. 1693 01:25:47,976 --> 01:25:49,603 You didn't lock that yet, did you? 1694 01:25:49,728 --> 01:25:51,146 No, not till the morning. 1695 01:25:51,271 --> 01:25:52,856 It's on the server if you want to check it out. 1696 01:25:52,981 --> 01:25:55,108 Great, great. Just don't touch it tonight. 1697 01:25:55,192 --> 01:25:57,444 There's... It's not 100%. 1698 01:25:57,569 --> 01:25:59,738 There's a tiny piece I'm gonna add. 1699 01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:02,324 No, don't touch it. It's great. 1700 01:26:02,449 --> 01:26:04,284 You're only gonna fuck it up. Don't. 1701 01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:07,663 Where are you right now? 1702 01:26:07,788 --> 01:26:09,456 I'm in an Uber. 1703 01:26:11,291 --> 01:26:13,585 Well, anyway, good job. 1704 01:26:14,044 --> 01:26:16,046 People are gonna love this. 1705 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,924 I didn't know you had it in you. 1706 01:26:19,383 --> 01:26:21,009 Or maybe I did. 1707 01:26:21,468 --> 01:26:23,136 Heart sees heart, right? 1708 01:26:23,595 --> 01:26:24,638 Okay, all right. 1709 01:26:24,721 --> 01:26:27,015 All right, just wait till the morning, okay? Okay, bye. 1710 01:26:38,568 --> 01:26:40,821 I won't be your chosen one 1711 01:26:40,946 --> 01:26:43,073 I'll just be your fire 1712 01:26:43,198 --> 01:26:45,117 I won't be your favored son 1713 01:26:45,242 --> 01:26:47,327 I'll just be what you desire 1714 01:26:47,452 --> 01:26:49,496 I won't be your superman 1715 01:26:49,621 --> 01:26:51,707 But I'll be your fear 1716 01:26:51,832 --> 01:26:53,875 I won't be your promised land 1717 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,877 I'll just be the voice you hear 1718 01:26:56,002 --> 01:26:59,464 Shot, better run and hide 1719 01:26:59,589 --> 01:27:04,136 Shot, got an evil eye... 1720 01:27:05,512 --> 01:27:07,681 Don't go anywhere. Yes, sir. 1721 01:27:07,806 --> 01:27:12,936 'Cause, shot, got an evil eye, yeah 1722 01:27:22,779 --> 01:27:24,322 Look at him! 1723 01:27:30,746 --> 01:27:33,373 Fuck yeah. Texas Tech fireworks, bitch. 1724 01:27:33,498 --> 01:27:35,125 Red and black, baby. 1725 01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:36,460 Are you shitting me? 1726 01:27:36,543 --> 01:27:39,546 I told you black fireworks ain't gonna show, you jackass. 1727 01:27:39,629 --> 01:27:41,089 I can see 'em. 1728 01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:44,092 Hey. It's the Longhorns fan. 1729 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,428 How's your car, man? 1730 01:27:46,511 --> 01:27:47,971 You like what we did to it? 1731 01:27:48,054 --> 01:27:49,765 That was about football? 1732 01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:51,057 Jesus Christ. 1733 01:27:56,563 --> 01:27:58,273 What the fuck are you doing here? 1734 01:27:58,398 --> 01:27:59,608 I got an invite. 1735 01:27:59,691 --> 01:28:01,401 You're wearing my shit. Yeah. 1736 01:28:01,526 --> 01:28:02,819 What the fuck? 1737 01:28:02,944 --> 01:28:04,654 Okay, well, it's his hat, so... 1738 01:28:07,324 --> 01:28:09,409 You better be careful. That's a loaded gun. 1739 01:28:09,493 --> 01:28:10,786 You keep your gun loaded? 1740 01:28:10,911 --> 01:28:12,579 You keep your phone charged? 1741 01:28:12,704 --> 01:28:14,664 How'd you even get here? Mason drove me. 1742 01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:18,376 Who in the fuck is Mason? Mason's your fucking brother. 1743 01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:20,045 I'd watch your back. 1744 01:28:20,170 --> 01:28:21,588 You don't have friends here. 1745 01:28:21,713 --> 01:28:23,173 Look who it is. 1746 01:28:24,925 --> 01:28:26,259 Look who it is. 1747 01:28:26,384 --> 01:28:28,178 - My friend. - Look at you, bud. 1748 01:28:29,012 --> 01:28:31,932 How you doing? How's that podcast coming? 1749 01:28:32,057 --> 01:28:33,809 I sent it in last night. 1750 01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:38,021 You're still here? Still here. 1751 01:28:41,650 --> 01:28:43,485 Texas has a pull, doesn't it? 1752 01:28:45,153 --> 01:28:46,613 Kinda gets under your skin. 1753 01:28:47,614 --> 01:28:48,698 Hundred percent. 1754 01:28:49,324 --> 01:28:51,284 Why don't you turn that thing on? 1755 01:28:51,409 --> 01:28:53,036 Got a story for you. 1756 01:28:53,829 --> 01:28:54,996 Fellas. 1757 01:28:59,876 --> 01:29:04,548 First drug law in the United States passed in 1875. 1758 01:29:05,674 --> 01:29:08,927 The Chinese rail workers brought in the opium den. 1759 01:29:09,010 --> 01:29:12,556 And this country was so anti-immigrant 1760 01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:15,183 that they banned the opium den. 1761 01:29:16,726 --> 01:29:18,270 Not the opium. 1762 01:29:18,395 --> 01:29:19,771 Right? 1763 01:29:19,896 --> 01:29:22,232 You ever hear anything more American than that? 1764 01:29:22,315 --> 01:29:25,986 I mean, now we got an opium epidemic breaking out across the heartland 1765 01:29:26,069 --> 01:29:28,446 with all the ceremony, majesty, 1766 01:29:28,530 --> 01:29:30,282 glamour and fun is removed. 1767 01:29:30,407 --> 01:29:32,576 And that's what people yearn for. 1768 01:29:33,285 --> 01:29:34,828 You see what I'm saying? 1769 01:29:36,121 --> 01:29:39,082 Do you think Gary Webb would've won a Pulitzer today? 1770 01:29:41,084 --> 01:29:43,962 You know, I think you were smart for staying here. 1771 01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:45,881 Yeah? Yeah. 1772 01:29:46,006 --> 01:29:48,967 That story about Abilene, it's nice. 1773 01:29:51,386 --> 01:29:54,514 I think you were meant to tell a bigger story. 1774 01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:58,310 Ask yourself, what part of the country today 1775 01:29:58,393 --> 01:30:00,395 is it in certain people's interest 1776 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,900 to keep devastated, demoralized, dependent, and divided? 1777 01:30:06,026 --> 01:30:07,903 You got the opioid crisis, 1778 01:30:07,986 --> 01:30:10,405 nation in divide, civic unrest. 1779 01:30:10,488 --> 01:30:13,533 Why are all these things happening at the same time? 1780 01:30:13,658 --> 01:30:15,869 What do you really think is going on here? 1781 01:30:19,915 --> 01:30:21,791 Told you I had a story for you. 1782 01:30:31,843 --> 01:30:34,846 So what are you saying? That it all connects? 1783 01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:38,016 That the conspiracy theories are true? 1784 01:30:38,099 --> 01:30:39,601 What I'm saying is 1785 01:30:39,726 --> 01:30:42,479 people can sense the truth, 1786 01:30:43,605 --> 01:30:45,690 but they're grasping for the facts. 1787 01:30:46,316 --> 01:30:49,736 See, a myth is just a truth without facts. 1788 01:30:49,861 --> 01:30:52,656 That's why it comes out all abstract, gnarled, 1789 01:30:52,739 --> 01:30:53,740 wrong. 1790 01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:58,328 Easy to dismiss and ridicule. Nobody listens to them 1791 01:30:58,453 --> 01:31:00,288 because they don't have the facts. 1792 01:31:02,457 --> 01:31:03,541 But I do. 1793 01:31:04,209 --> 01:31:06,544 And you, Ben... Yeah. 1794 01:31:08,797 --> 01:31:10,924 The whole damn world will listen to you. 1795 01:31:18,598 --> 01:31:20,016 Where are they going? 1796 01:31:20,141 --> 01:31:21,267 Afterparty. 1797 01:31:23,937 --> 01:31:26,356 The Afterparty. Tell me about that. 1798 01:31:26,982 --> 01:31:30,360 I mean, people overdose a hundred times a day, Ben. 1799 01:31:30,443 --> 01:31:31,695 That's a fact. 1800 01:31:31,778 --> 01:31:33,530 But they can't do it in a place where it's gonna be 1801 01:31:33,613 --> 01:31:34,864 a problem for people like you and I. 1802 01:31:37,409 --> 01:31:39,202 That's what happened to Abilene. 1803 01:31:40,745 --> 01:31:41,955 Abilene? 1804 01:31:42,998 --> 01:31:45,333 I mean, she died at a party like this. 1805 01:31:48,211 --> 01:31:49,879 I thought you finished that story. 1806 01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:53,883 This is just for us. 1807 01:31:54,884 --> 01:31:57,137 Well, it's not a very good story anyway. 1808 01:31:57,220 --> 01:31:59,764 She was a drug addict. She OD'd. 1809 01:32:00,849 --> 01:32:02,684 Then she tried to call 911. 1810 01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:06,980 No. In Texas, we don't call 911. 1811 01:32:07,105 --> 01:32:08,898 Yeah, I've heard that. 1812 01:32:10,025 --> 01:32:12,193 They record all those calls. 1813 01:32:12,318 --> 01:32:15,238 We gotta be very careful about what gets recorded. 1814 01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:17,073 Yeah. You do. 1815 01:32:17,824 --> 01:32:19,701 It's all that's left of us. 1816 01:32:20,201 --> 01:32:21,536 The recordings. 1817 01:32:22,746 --> 01:32:25,749 And people like you and I, Abilene, 1818 01:32:25,874 --> 01:32:29,419 everybody posting photos of every part of their day, 1819 01:32:30,754 --> 01:32:33,548 we trade in our entire lives 1820 01:32:34,799 --> 01:32:38,011 for the tiny pieces that get recorded of us. 1821 01:32:40,597 --> 01:32:41,973 Abilene tried to call 911. 1822 01:32:42,098 --> 01:32:44,184 You didn't let her. Then what? 1823 01:32:47,187 --> 01:32:48,396 Boy. 1824 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:50,065 Don't get distracted. 1825 01:32:50,690 --> 01:32:53,610 You gotta admit, that's a hell of a distraction. 1826 01:32:53,693 --> 01:32:56,863 That is... That's kind of like the very definition of distraction. 1827 01:32:56,988 --> 01:32:59,491 - Abilene. - Abilene. 1828 01:32:59,616 --> 01:33:02,327 Abilene. Abilene. 1829 01:33:02,452 --> 01:33:04,162 What happened to Abilene? 1830 01:33:05,163 --> 01:33:07,123 Do you believe in ghosts, Ben? 1831 01:33:07,874 --> 01:33:09,959 I got a call from a ghost earlier. 1832 01:33:12,170 --> 01:33:14,297 Kind of thought I'd be seeing you today. 1833 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,593 What happened to her? 1834 01:33:18,718 --> 01:33:20,386 Why do you care so much? 1835 01:33:22,597 --> 01:33:24,599 Why do you care so little? 1836 01:33:28,728 --> 01:33:30,438 She overdosed. 1837 01:33:30,563 --> 01:33:34,109 Instead of helping her, you dragged her to the Afterparty, 1838 01:33:34,192 --> 01:33:36,152 which is a spot with no cell reception 1839 01:33:36,236 --> 01:33:40,073 at the exact intersection of four overlapping law jurisdictions 1840 01:33:40,198 --> 01:33:44,285 where you knew her death would just become an anonymous statistic. 1841 01:33:52,544 --> 01:33:54,170 It's well said. 1842 01:33:54,295 --> 01:33:55,421 Very succinct. 1843 01:33:59,384 --> 01:34:01,386 Yes. That's exactly what happened. 1844 01:34:10,645 --> 01:34:11,771 Brilliant. 1845 01:34:12,689 --> 01:34:15,316 You got it. You got it all. 1846 01:34:16,276 --> 01:34:19,112 That's a story about America. 1847 01:34:19,904 --> 01:34:22,031 Let me know if you need me to rerecord anything. 1848 01:34:22,157 --> 01:34:25,076 Or, like, rephrase things. I can do that, too. 1849 01:34:27,036 --> 01:34:28,037 What? 1850 01:34:28,872 --> 01:34:31,082 Come... You and I are gonna be sitting on a panel 1851 01:34:31,207 --> 01:34:32,876 talking about this. I want it to be great. 1852 01:34:32,959 --> 01:34:35,128 We both know how this works. Right? 1853 01:34:35,253 --> 01:34:37,463 Yeah, I mean, at first, 1854 01:34:37,547 --> 01:34:41,050 everyone's gonna think you got your bad guy. 1855 01:34:43,386 --> 01:34:45,597 Nobody's gonna let it be that simple. 1856 01:34:45,722 --> 01:34:47,432 Everyone's gonna have to have their take 1857 01:34:47,515 --> 01:34:49,058 'cause that's how it works now. 1858 01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:51,686 Everyone has a take. 1859 01:34:52,353 --> 01:34:54,063 See, if you don't have a take, you don't have a voice. 1860 01:34:54,189 --> 01:34:56,024 If you don't have a voice, you don't exist. 1861 01:34:56,649 --> 01:35:00,278 So yeah, at first, everyone's gonna blame me. 1862 01:35:01,362 --> 01:35:04,240 But then someone's gonna say, "Wait a second." 1863 01:35:05,491 --> 01:35:06,993 There's a big difference 1864 01:35:07,076 --> 01:35:09,829 between leaving somebody to die 1865 01:35:09,954 --> 01:35:11,581 and killing somebody. 1866 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,585 Then they're gonna turn to you. 1867 01:35:17,045 --> 01:35:19,422 What were you doing here in the first place? 1868 01:35:20,089 --> 01:35:22,175 What was your relationship with her? 1869 01:35:22,300 --> 01:35:25,762 Why would you exploit her grieving family? 1870 01:35:28,014 --> 01:35:29,807 Those... Those characters. 1871 01:35:31,351 --> 01:35:33,519 I mean, that's what they're gonna be. 1872 01:35:34,020 --> 01:35:35,396 Famous characters. 1873 01:35:36,272 --> 01:35:37,523 Not famous people. 1874 01:35:37,607 --> 01:35:39,484 And then they're gonna blame the family. 1875 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,111 I hope they're ready for that. 1876 01:35:44,322 --> 01:35:45,740 They'll blame the president. 1877 01:35:45,865 --> 01:35:47,367 The last president. 1878 01:35:49,285 --> 01:35:51,246 And then they'll start in with the conspiracy theories. 1879 01:35:51,329 --> 01:35:54,332 You know, and someone will refute the conspiracy theories, 1880 01:35:54,415 --> 01:35:58,628 and then one side will make their version like their cause. 1881 01:35:59,796 --> 01:36:02,465 And the other side will take the other side 1882 01:36:02,548 --> 01:36:06,135 just to take the other side and on, and on. 1883 01:36:06,511 --> 01:36:09,222 Until your story proves 1884 01:36:09,889 --> 01:36:13,226 the defining truth of our time. 1885 01:36:14,894 --> 01:36:16,187 Which is what? 1886 01:36:17,355 --> 01:36:20,942 Everything means everything. 1887 01:36:22,277 --> 01:36:25,738 So nothing means anything. 1888 01:36:30,618 --> 01:36:32,495 Some things mean something. 1889 01:36:34,747 --> 01:36:35,999 Yeah? 1890 01:36:36,708 --> 01:36:37,875 Like what? 1891 01:36:38,293 --> 01:36:39,460 Abilene? 1892 01:36:40,878 --> 01:36:43,089 You didn't care about her. 1893 01:36:43,172 --> 01:36:45,341 You came here for yourself. 1894 01:36:46,217 --> 01:36:47,719 For a recording. 1895 01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:50,555 And then you heard her music. 1896 01:36:51,347 --> 01:36:54,767 And you saw her photos. The record of her. 1897 01:36:55,935 --> 01:36:57,812 And that's what you care for. 1898 01:36:59,272 --> 01:37:00,690 A recording. 1899 01:37:02,275 --> 01:37:03,568 Not a person. 1900 01:37:08,031 --> 01:37:09,449 We are all... 1901 01:37:10,908 --> 01:37:12,618 just inspirations 1902 01:37:14,037 --> 01:37:16,247 for the record of ourselves. 1903 01:37:16,622 --> 01:37:19,709 You and I both know it. You got your opus. 1904 01:37:20,251 --> 01:37:22,295 And that's what matters. 1905 01:37:23,379 --> 01:37:25,590 But Abilene? The person? 1906 01:37:28,134 --> 01:37:29,344 Come on. 1907 01:37:30,386 --> 01:37:32,096 She was just some girl. 1908 01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:34,640 That's the truth, Ben. 1909 01:37:35,266 --> 01:37:36,642 Hundred percent. 1910 01:37:45,401 --> 01:37:47,737 I can almost taste it now 1911 01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:49,447 L.A. 1912 01:37:51,032 --> 01:37:52,742 I don't even have to fake it now 1913 01:37:52,867 --> 01:37:55,370 You were like so sick 1914 01:37:55,495 --> 01:37:56,996 Everybody said it 1915 01:37:57,121 --> 01:38:00,291 You were way ahead of the trend, ge-get it 1916 01:38:00,416 --> 01:38:03,628 Elvis is the best, hell yes 1917 01:38:03,753 --> 01:38:07,298 Honey, put on that party dress 1918 01:38:07,423 --> 01:38:10,676 Like ooh, 1919 01:38:10,802 --> 01:38:12,762 Ooh, ooh, 1920 01:38:12,887 --> 01:38:15,014 You make me crazy 1921 01:38:15,139 --> 01:38:19,227 You make me wild 1922 01:38:19,352 --> 01:38:25,233 Just like a baby, spin me round like a child 1923 01:38:25,358 --> 01:38:27,318 Your skin so 1924 01:38:27,443 --> 01:38:31,906 Golden brown 1925 01:38:32,031 --> 01:38:33,991 Be young 1926 01:38:34,117 --> 01:38:37,662 Be dope, be proud 1927 01:38:37,787 --> 01:38:40,373 Like an American 1928 01:38:40,498 --> 01:38:44,335 Ooh, 1929 01:38:44,460 --> 01:38:46,337 Like an American 1930 01:38:46,462 --> 01:38:50,383 Ooh, 1931 01:38:54,971 --> 01:38:57,682 Everybody wants to go fast 1932 01:38:57,807 --> 01:39:00,768 But they can't compare 1933 01:39:00,893 --> 01:39:04,355 I don't really want the rest 1934 01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:07,483 Only you can take me there 1935 01:39:07,608 --> 01:39:10,069 I don't even know what I'm saying 1936 01:39:10,194 --> 01:39:16,868 But I'm praying for you... 1937 01:39:19,954 --> 01:39:23,124 We got a report of a possible overdose. 49-40 1938 01:39:23,207 --> 01:39:25,084 Afterparty. Ambulance en route. 1939 01:39:25,168 --> 01:39:27,712 A 911 on a Saturday night? 1940 01:39:28,254 --> 01:39:29,464 Bullshit. 1941 01:39:29,589 --> 01:39:30,923 People. 1942 01:39:31,007 --> 01:39:33,342 Got a report. Quentin Sellers shot in the head. 1943 01:39:33,426 --> 01:39:34,510 Q? 1944 01:39:34,594 --> 01:39:36,679 I never thought of that guy as accident-prone. 1945 01:39:36,804 --> 01:39:39,724 Let's get wild tonight, check your heart at the door 1946 01:39:40,766 --> 01:39:43,478 That ain't what tonight is for 1947 01:39:43,603 --> 01:39:45,563 It's an old times, good times... 1948 01:39:47,398 --> 01:39:52,445 Gonna send you this text when I get signal 1949 01:39:53,863 --> 01:39:58,701 I'll know just the words to say when I do... 1950 01:40:11,380 --> 01:40:13,216 I heard that y'all made up. 1951 01:40:14,759 --> 01:40:15,760 Yeah. 1952 01:40:17,762 --> 01:40:20,306 And I understand that was quite a party last night. 1953 01:40:23,476 --> 01:40:24,852 I wasn't there. 1954 01:40:25,937 --> 01:40:28,189 That's right, you weren't. 1955 01:40:28,272 --> 01:40:29,524 But... 1956 01:40:30,024 --> 01:40:32,360 I heard it was a pretty good party. 1957 01:40:36,822 --> 01:40:40,743 I've... very much enjoyed being in your home. 1958 01:40:44,997 --> 01:40:46,832 You're gonna need a ride. 1959 01:40:47,375 --> 01:40:49,752 That's true. My car is... 1960 01:40:52,838 --> 01:40:55,049 What are your plans when you get back? 1961 01:40:55,299 --> 01:40:57,385 Guess I have to find a new story. 1962 01:40:57,552 --> 01:40:59,053 After all that? 1963 01:41:00,179 --> 01:41:02,390 What about all that stuff with Abby? 1964 01:41:03,182 --> 01:41:05,560 I think that story's just for us. 1965 01:41:10,314 --> 01:41:11,774 That's nice, too. 1966 01:41:12,692 --> 01:41:14,026 No regrets. 1967 01:41:14,777 --> 01:41:16,362 I never understood that. 1968 01:41:16,445 --> 01:41:17,697 No regrets. 1969 01:41:18,155 --> 01:41:19,657 I mean, how do you... 1970 01:41:22,493 --> 01:41:27,248 In my life, everything starts with a regret, ends with a regret. 1971 01:41:27,331 --> 01:41:28,916 In between, regrets. 1972 01:41:29,709 --> 01:41:31,294 It's all regrets. 1973 01:41:32,628 --> 01:41:35,006 You run as fast as you can from the last regret 1974 01:41:35,089 --> 01:41:37,383 and, of course, you're just running straight into the next one. 1975 01:41:38,050 --> 01:41:39,427 That's life. 1976 01:41:40,303 --> 01:41:41,679 It's all regrets. 1977 01:41:41,762 --> 01:41:43,139 That's what they should say. 1978 01:41:44,223 --> 01:41:45,641 No other way to be alive. 1979 01:41:47,268 --> 01:41:48,769 It's all regrets. 1980 01:41:50,354 --> 01:41:52,023 Make 'em count.