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Hi. Welcome to <i>Surf's Up.</i>
Audio commentary.

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I will be your guide...

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...through this wonderful presentation
of <i>Surf's Up.</i>

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I'm Chris Buck, one of the directors.

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Ash Brannon, another director.

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And I'm Chris Jenkins
and I make the coffee.

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And it's good coffee too.

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Not that crystal stuff.

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And he's the producer, okay,
here we go.

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Hey, look at that logo, guys.

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We came up with the logo
just for <i>Surf's Up.</i>

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Here we are.

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Okay.

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Interesting thing about this one
was that...

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...this was the last scene created
and the first scene in the movie.

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But the movie originally started
with the sequences coming up...

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...which was what we call
the legend sequence, right?

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And, Ash, you boarded the whole bit...
The sort of history of surfing.

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- Yeah.
- We thought that we needed Cody.

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Cody to introduce it and get to know
Cody a little bit more before...

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Yeah, it was originally
a disembodied voice.

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You didn't know who it was.

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Okay, everybody wants to know...

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...why a documentary, right, guys?

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Why do an animated documentary?

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Lots of reasons.

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First of all, surf videos are actually
made that way.

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And we thought it would be cool...

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...to do the subject of <i>Surf's Up</i>
as a surf documentary.

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Well, there was originally
a storyline, right?

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When Chris Jenkins was on this
about four and a half years ago.

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It was 48 years ago, actually.

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It was a comedy based
on <i>Romeo and Juliet.</i>

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Yes, it was, Ash Brannon.
Thank you.

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And they were racing cars...

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...and they were wearing clothes
and all that, right?

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Yeah, and they were dressed
as policemen...

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...and they were falling off cliffs
and dying and...

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- Isn't really a comedy.
- Okay.

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- And how did it become this, Chris?
- It became this...

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It became this when, you know...

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...l'm kind of looking at the idea
of doing a surf movie.

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And looking at the prevalence
for surf docs...

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...movies to be done
as documentaries.

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Or for the whole reality TV thing
to be realized in animation.

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- Did that make sense?
- Yeah, kind of. In a Welsh kind of way.

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And the storyline was designed
to work as a documentary.

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We had to imagine that there was a kid
we heard about who's up and coming.

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We decided to send a crew
down there and follow him...

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...as he went to his first contest.

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And then follow him.

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Yeah, and be able to just put
a camera...

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Not a camera. What do they call
the things where you...?

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- Like a microphone.
- Microphone, yeah.

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Like that thing in front of you
right now.

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But it's interesting, we had rules.

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Like, we never saw
the documentarians. We never...

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No, people really wanted to know
who the documentarians are.

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- What species.
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And we felt that if we did that...

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...then we would really be winking
at the audience...

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...in a particular way, you know?

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It would be more...

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I suppose, more mockumentary
in that way...

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...than we wanted it to be.

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And the thing, I think,
that fascinated me was that...

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...we could get inside
an animated character's head.

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Via the interviews, you can find out
what these guys were thinking...

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...and what they just thought
about the scene that we just shot.

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I don't know. It's something
that we'd never done before...

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...in other animated movies.

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There was a lot of things going on,
the idea that in this day and age...

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...everybody seems to have an opinion
or reaction to a camera...

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...being put in their face and they have
an opinion about something.

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Maybe they're hiding things.

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Maybe they wanna use it
as a confessional.

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And it just felt it was the right time
to take an animated feature...

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And it just felt it was the right time
to take an animated feature...

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...and really follow the inner life
of these characters on the screen.

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Well, people are fascinated
by the documentary and reality TV.

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I mean, I know that's what we watch
at home.

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There's so many of those shows
who love it.

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I mean, a lot of times, it's what,
you know...

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...it's what the camera catches
that they weren't supposed to catch...

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...that everybody loves.

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Or the thing that somebody
said that, you know...

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...they didn't really mean to say this
or whatever...

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...but it's very telling.

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The-camera-doesn't-lie
kind of thing, so...

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- We planned in a kind of spontaneity.
- It's fun.

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Planned spontaneity.

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Planned these things, like the camera
would stay on a character...

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...after they'd finished saying
what they were gonna say.

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And their reaction, then,
after their last sentence...

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...was more telling
than what they were trained to tell you.

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And it wasn't easy
the whole way through.

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There are a lot of rules we set up
for ourselves.

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And it was tough
between the camera work...

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...where the camera could be.

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The type of questions
that we would ask these guys.

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When the character's
aware of the camera or not.

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These are rules,
set of rules that we had.

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Once in a while, we'd break them.

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And we can talk about those
as we go through this but...

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It's kind of
the whole documentary thing.

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Remember, we had lots of talk about,
you know...

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...where the camera crew
is coming from...

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...and how did they get there.

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All the kinds of things
that quite honestly in the end...

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- Nobody thinks about.
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He can't help it.
That's just the way he is.

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It was important
when we started the movie...

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...we knew it was a surf movie,
but the surfing is really a metaphor.

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And we didn't want the film just to be
about surfing per se.

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And we came across an article...

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...by some guys named
the Malloy brothers.

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They said something interesting.

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They said, "A lot of surf movies
don't get it right.

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They think it's all about just riding
the waves.

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And it's really about life
and the way you live it."

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And we just really fell in love
with that concept.

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Being one with the wave
and with life...

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And that's how we, you know,
faced the production every day.

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We came in
to have a good time every day.

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- Not gonna touch you.
- Do you see this?

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- Don't. Please?
- I'm not.

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Well, now, Shiverpool's...

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...kind of inspired
by an Errol Morris film...

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...he did one about a
town in Florida...

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...where nothing happens.

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This is where, again,
we play with... This whole sequence...

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...we play with the whole
documentary feel.

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Like you're saying,
that's an Errol Morris film.

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The cutting that we did,
we kept moving things around.

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And then the interviews.

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Yeah, our editor lvan Bilancio
kind of took all these moments...

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Yeah, our editor lvan Bilancio
kind of took all these moments...

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...as if he had coverage.

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And just found an entertaining way
to intercut them.

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Kind of a proof of concept,
this whole sequence, in a way.

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Right, I remember this is one
of the first ones.

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And it was really interesting how...

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...when Errol came in
to take a look at the stuff...

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...and we were calling it
a mockumentary...

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...he said, "It's not a mockumentary.
It's a documentary."

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- Right.
- Because we don't nod to the camera.

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Right.

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Yeah, that was important to us,
to keep the tongue out of the cheek.

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And have these characters believe
who they were.

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And you get the humor
out of the seriousness of that.

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Right.

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But this kind of performance too,
all this improv...

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...all these multiple cast recording,
this was pretty new.

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I mean, it sounds strange to say it...

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...but this was a new technique
for animation.

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Because in animated movies...

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...usually we have the actors
by themselves.

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And we get a very clean recording...

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...and then you can cut
everybody together.

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The problem with that is that,
you get a very...

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You can get
a very sterile performance.

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And they don't always feel like
they're in the same room together.

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Or that they're actually relating
to the other character.

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Biggest challenge for an editor...

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...is to cut a natural performance
from a bunch of different sessions.

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And they said, "Well, let's skip
all that. Let's encourage...

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Get them in together,
have them overlap...

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...have them, you know, of course,
work off the script...

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...but turn the pages over and see...

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...and just let it, kind of,
go on its own and wing it."

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We told all the actors
we're gonna do this at the outset.

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- And they were all excited.
- Right.

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And they were all really good at it.

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Not all actors can pull that off.

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James Woods, of course.

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We have so much recording
of James...

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...that in the end, we were
unable to use for all sorts of reasons.

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It was a heart thing, you know?
Can we just take five minutes?

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We couldn't have written
some of the stuff the way... You know?

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So we try to replicate
as much as possible...

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...the conditions
on the recording stage.

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So the actors could even get out
from behind the podium...

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...and move around
and act things out.

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And we had a guy with a boom,
following them on occasion.

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And I just freed them up
to get more physical with everything...

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...and make it real.

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I remember many times, you guys
would pick up a video camera.

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And really be in... Quite intrusive
with the camera like you were there.

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That's right. We did that to Jeff.
That's right.

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And you really did throw
something at us.

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How's your head, by the way, there?

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Sal Masekela,
the real voice of the X Games.

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This all worked...
I forgot how this happened.

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But we came up with the idea that...

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...if we had
this fake sports network...

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...we could just get a lot of information
out in short order.

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And then coincidentally,
Sal dropped by the studio...

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...through Quicksilver
and was a perfect match.

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Over lunch, I think,
we had an accidental lunch...

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Yeah, we just talked about it,
how we could use him in the movie.

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And same with Kelly.

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Yeah, they did their scenes together.
We had Kelly, Rob and...

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- Yeah, all three.
- And Sal.

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They weren't originally a part of...
Kelly and Rob...

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...weren't originally in the movie.
They were on as consultants.

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To help us get the waves right
and the surf culture right.

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- Right.
- But it turned out to be really good.

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The twisted Tank.

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Diedrich.

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<i>You never want to get in there</i>
<i>and help them out...</i>

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He is the biggest character
in the movie.

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A big personality
and the nicest guy.

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He's a really great guy to work with.

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But Tank, you know, we tried
to just find something...

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...a little bit different for him,
so he wasn't the same old villain.

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And I think we came up
with something very unique for him.

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Yeah.

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We always said he was like
a cross between...

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...John McEnroe and a forklift truck.

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...John McEnroe and a forklift truck.

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Mikey Abromowitz played
by Mario Cantone...

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...is anything but the typical surfer.

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He's sort of a... He's sort of a...

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We refer to him
as an office gopher...

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...which got very confusing because
he's really a sandpiper.

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And he's the kind of guy,
originally, anyway...

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We were thinking of
the kind of guy...

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...that really didn't wanna get
his feet wet with his boss.

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So the sandpiper's interesting...

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...because they never really seem
to get their feet wet...

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...when they're fishing for...

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Yup, and he's a talent scout
that doesn't surf.

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A surfing talent scout.

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But Mario gave him a great edge.

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This guy has done this way too much.
Nothing fazes him.

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00:10:59,891 --> 00:11:03,588
Ash, you brought up Mario
from a one-man show.

237
00:11:03,761 --> 00:11:06,958
Oh, yeah, my wife and I saw him
in his last show in Broadway.

238
00:11:07,131 --> 00:11:09,622
His one-man comedy show.

239
00:11:09,801 --> 00:11:12,065
And a few months later,
we're trying to figure out...

240
00:11:12,236 --> 00:11:15,296
...who would do the voice
and popped in the head.

241
00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:17,469
- Great.
- He's a huge animation fan.

242
00:11:17,642 --> 00:11:20,110
He knew more about animation
than we did.

243
00:11:20,845 --> 00:11:24,679
Jon Heder knows about animation.
Jon Heder, Chicken Joe.

244
00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:29,585
Now, this was added late.

245
00:11:29,754 --> 00:11:32,314
But it was about...

246
00:11:32,623 --> 00:11:35,524
...showing what Cody really wanted,
you know?

247
00:11:35,693 --> 00:11:37,183
It's not about winning
the competition.

248
00:11:37,362 --> 00:11:39,660
He just wants somebody
to be there for him.

249
00:11:39,831 --> 00:11:43,824
And he clearly doesn't have it
in his hometown.

250
00:11:44,001 --> 00:11:45,491
You know, I think it was also added...

251
00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:48,503
...so that he would have a chance
with mom.

252
00:11:48,673 --> 00:11:50,300
Because originally,
it wasn't in there...

253
00:11:50,475 --> 00:11:54,605
...so he would just go from the fish pile
to the water, to the whale.

254
00:11:54,779 --> 00:11:57,339
- He's gone. He never says goodbye.
- He didn't get to say goodbye.

255
00:11:57,515 --> 00:11:58,573
To his family.

256
00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:00,843
And this was his chance
to say goodbye...

257
00:12:01,018 --> 00:12:03,885
...but mom, still,
is not really interested, so...

258
00:12:04,055 --> 00:12:06,046
It seemed to help his character
a little bit better.

259
00:12:06,224 --> 00:12:08,526
Well, I think it re-injects that pathos
that you have for this young kid...

260
00:12:08,526 --> 00:12:10,289
Well, I think it re-injects that pathos
that you have for this young kid...

261
00:12:10,461 --> 00:12:13,362
...that just has a passion
right from the beginning.

262
00:12:13,531 --> 00:12:15,556
Lets you know what he really wants,
what's important.

263
00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:18,224
- And how no one understands him.
- Yeah.

264
00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:25,798
I gotta thank my wife, Nicole,
for that toucan line.

265
00:12:26,077 --> 00:12:29,444
She had a handle on who Mike was.

266
00:12:33,484 --> 00:12:35,975
Can't this blubber ball go any faster?
Step on it, fish sticks!

267
00:12:36,921 --> 00:12:38,786
Bunch of other surfers up there
on the whale.

268
00:12:38,956 --> 00:12:42,756
They were gonna be bigger characters
initially. We have an Aussie up there.

269
00:12:42,927 --> 00:12:45,452
Japanese surfer.

270
00:12:46,264 --> 00:12:48,664
- Brazilian.
- Brazilian, yeah.

271
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,332
There's so much material
that you discover...

272
00:12:51,502 --> 00:12:53,026
...when you create a movie like this.

273
00:12:53,204 --> 00:12:56,571
Particularly, I think, as a documentary
or reality show.

274
00:12:56,741 --> 00:12:58,368
You can really get
into these characters.

275
00:12:58,543 --> 00:13:00,101
And then, at the end of the day...

276
00:13:00,278 --> 00:13:02,712
...you realize, well, you got 80 minutes
and a story to tell.

277
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:09,183
So there were a lot of casualties
simply from the point of view...

278
00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,679
...of not having enough time
to get into all those back-stories.

279
00:13:13,858 --> 00:13:16,793
- Casualties.
- Casualties.

280
00:13:17,061 --> 00:13:18,824
It sounds painful.

281
00:13:18,996 --> 00:13:20,930
The whole idea of Cody
chasing this whale...

282
00:13:21,098 --> 00:13:24,795
...was inspired by surfers...

283
00:13:24,969 --> 00:13:28,700
...who ride the wakes of oil tankers,
I think, in the Gulf of Mexico.

284
00:13:28,873 --> 00:13:29,862
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

285
00:13:30,041 --> 00:13:31,133
Yup.

286
00:13:32,276 --> 00:13:34,642
They had a hard time getting
these two together too.

287
00:13:34,812 --> 00:13:38,179
We had to get Joe and Cody
get an introduction...

288
00:13:38,349 --> 00:13:41,910
...before we get to the next sequence
of Pen Gu where the just takes off, so...

289
00:13:42,086 --> 00:13:45,681
Yeah, they needed a quick moment
to bond.

290
00:13:45,857 --> 00:13:47,449
Deeply enough that you could buy...

291
00:13:47,625 --> 00:13:49,786
...that Joe would spend
the next several days...

292
00:13:49,961 --> 00:13:52,054
...going to find Cody
as he's lost in the jungle.

293
00:13:52,964 --> 00:13:55,125
Joe, kind of...
We always had that character.

294
00:13:55,299 --> 00:13:59,235
He was gonna be that guy that,
you know, nothing fazed him.

295
00:13:59,403 --> 00:14:01,871
But we did have. We went down
the road where he got a little.

296
00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:04,507
You know, he'd get angry sometimes
or this or that...

297
00:14:04,675 --> 00:14:07,473
...and you realize, this guy just...
Nothing fazes Joe.

298
00:14:07,645 --> 00:14:08,703
Everything is good.

299
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:09,972
Every moment is good.

300
00:14:10,147 --> 00:14:13,344
And he turned out to be one
of the favorite characters in the movie.

301
00:14:13,518 --> 00:14:18,717
He seems to epitomize
a quintessential surfer attitude.

302
00:14:20,658 --> 00:14:22,023
Inspired Ash Brannon moment
there.

303
00:14:23,494 --> 00:14:25,052
Butt freeze?

304
00:14:25,229 --> 00:14:29,359
No, the whole whale spout.
Joe being blasted off in the air.

305
00:14:29,534 --> 00:14:32,332
Finding a way to end that scene
properly.

306
00:14:33,137 --> 00:14:36,106
Our visual development team,
Paul Lasaine...

307
00:14:36,674 --> 00:14:38,608
...Marcelo Vignali.

308
00:14:39,677 --> 00:14:41,508
Hope I pronounced it right.

309
00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:43,738
Armand Serrano, Ron Lukas...

310
00:14:44,615 --> 00:14:46,207
...designed a beautiful world.

311
00:14:48,019 --> 00:14:49,714
- The characters.
- They're natural primitive.

312
00:14:49,887 --> 00:14:52,720
- Oh, yes, Sylvain Deboissy.
- Sylvain Deboissy.

313
00:14:54,025 --> 00:14:55,083
He had a real challenge...

314
00:14:55,259 --> 00:14:58,057
...because most of our characters
are penguins.

315
00:14:58,362 --> 00:15:00,694
It's real easy for them to start
looking alike...

316
00:15:00,865 --> 00:15:02,298
...but he gave them all distinction.

317
00:15:03,434 --> 00:15:06,460
They ended up having different tattoos
to help you...

318
00:15:07,104 --> 00:15:10,972
I think it started with
the Hawaiian shirt thing.

319
00:15:11,142 --> 00:15:14,839
- That was a Marcelo invention, right?
- Yeah, Marcelo.

320
00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:17,008
It was a brilliant, brilliant invention...

321
00:15:17,181 --> 00:15:21,117
...because it just carried forward
to everybody else then.

322
00:15:22,253 --> 00:15:24,778
I think we wanted to find
a much more organic way...

323
00:15:24,956 --> 00:15:29,325
...to actually feel the excitement
of this island and the MTV style.

324
00:15:30,695 --> 00:15:33,562
You know, music video
was the best way to go.

325
00:15:33,731 --> 00:15:35,255
Introduced a lot of things in here.

326
00:15:35,433 --> 00:15:38,732
Introduced the fact that Joe and Cody
are really good friends.

327
00:15:39,904 --> 00:15:41,496
Or have become really good friends.

328
00:15:41,672 --> 00:15:45,472
Yeah, saving...
Joe saving Cody made all that work.

329
00:15:45,643 --> 00:15:47,804
Just instant bond, you get that.

330
00:15:47,979 --> 00:15:51,710
Like when we pulled you out
from in front of that moving train.

331
00:15:52,249 --> 00:15:54,444
Yeah, the one that you were driving.

332
00:15:54,619 --> 00:15:57,452
Coming through! Oh, crap.

333
00:15:57,622 --> 00:16:00,921
- Introduction of Lani.
- Lani.

334
00:16:01,092 --> 00:16:04,391
Now, the squid life preserver.

335
00:16:04,562 --> 00:16:10,398
That was an invention of our character
designer, Sylvan Deboissy.

336
00:16:11,268 --> 00:16:13,566
Brilliant invention.

337
00:16:13,738 --> 00:16:18,607
This is why animation is great
because of that squid.

338
00:16:20,177 --> 00:16:23,544
This is also a scene that Zooey
ad-libbed.

339
00:16:23,814 --> 00:16:26,442
She came up
with the character Arnold.

340
00:16:27,418 --> 00:16:30,182
She was holding a sandbag,
remember?

341
00:16:30,354 --> 00:16:33,152
- And invented that character.
- That's right.

342
00:16:33,324 --> 00:16:35,690
Then we said, "Well, she's talking
to a kid, we need a kid."

343
00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:37,122
And Chris Buck...

344
00:16:37,962 --> 00:16:40,624
...took a portable DAT recorder
home.

345
00:16:40,798 --> 00:16:42,493
- Yup.
- And just recorded his...

346
00:16:42,667 --> 00:16:44,362
What was he, eight at that time
or seven?

347
00:16:44,535 --> 00:16:47,527
- He was probably eight.
- His son, Reed, just at home.

348
00:16:47,705 --> 00:16:49,400
To do scratch
and it turned out so good...

349
00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:50,938
...we had to use it in the production.

350
00:16:51,108 --> 00:16:53,736
Yeah, because a lot of times
there's nothing worse than an adult...

351
00:16:53,911 --> 00:16:57,039
...trying to do a kid voice.

352
00:16:58,249 --> 00:17:00,444
So we have real kids.

353
00:17:00,751 --> 00:17:02,844
I love my job.
I have an amazing job.

354
00:17:03,888 --> 00:17:06,721
This is so Zooey.
This whole thing here.

355
00:17:06,891 --> 00:17:10,452
Again, the camera work here,
working so beautifully.

356
00:17:10,628 --> 00:17:11,617
They're gonna go...

357
00:17:11,796 --> 00:17:14,230
...for the interesting thing
that's happening at the moment.

358
00:17:14,398 --> 00:17:17,265
That would be this little kid
who's about to drown.

359
00:17:19,403 --> 00:17:21,598
And James Williams,
our head of layout.

360
00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:25,766
Wonderful cinematography
in this movie.

361
00:17:27,645 --> 00:17:30,273
A lot of times, the camera...

362
00:17:30,448 --> 00:17:33,440
We had to sort of give the illusion
that the camera was finding the action.

363
00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:34,914
It couldn't be ahead of it.

364
00:17:35,086 --> 00:17:38,214
As you would normally create
these shots at this stage.

365
00:17:38,389 --> 00:17:41,790
- Remember?
- No, no. Not really.

366
00:17:42,993 --> 00:17:47,089
More of the archival footage that we...
Little scratches on the side.

367
00:17:47,264 --> 00:17:50,631
Actually, that stuff is pretty easy to do
from what I've been told.

368
00:17:50,901 --> 00:17:52,459
It looks hard.

369
00:17:52,636 --> 00:17:54,365
I think a lot of times it was just...

370
00:17:54,538 --> 00:17:56,597
Well, you know,
the guys would do the work...

371
00:17:56,774 --> 00:17:59,242
...and it'd be beautiful and pristine
and the color would be perfect.

372
00:17:59,410 --> 00:18:01,275
And then, we would say,
"Okay, now, make it look..."

373
00:18:01,445 --> 00:18:04,346
Yeah, muck it up,
make it look pretty bad.

374
00:18:04,515 --> 00:18:06,540
And then, you know...

375
00:18:07,952 --> 00:18:10,284
- They would do it.
- And then, on the long run, they go:

376
00:18:10,454 --> 00:18:12,547
"Okay, I get it.
I know what you guys are doing."

377
00:18:14,391 --> 00:18:16,655
It was all part of getting
a real organic look...

378
00:18:17,595 --> 00:18:20,086
...and feel for the movie.
That was really important to us.

379
00:18:20,264 --> 00:18:21,458
That it didn't feel CG.

380
00:18:22,299 --> 00:18:23,960
And in fact...

381
00:18:24,502 --> 00:18:25,628
...archival footage aside...

382
00:18:25,803 --> 00:18:29,204
...every shot including shots like this
have film grain.

383
00:18:29,373 --> 00:18:31,307
Because when we saw
the original images...

384
00:18:31,475 --> 00:18:32,703
...they were too perfect.

385
00:18:32,877 --> 00:18:35,072
And, too, almost a little sterile.

386
00:18:35,246 --> 00:18:39,546
But adding that little bit of film grain
took the edge off everything.

387
00:18:39,984 --> 00:18:43,010
The character of Tank
was really articulated...

388
00:18:44,655 --> 00:18:46,646
...by Jeff Ranjo, our head of story.

389
00:18:46,824 --> 00:18:51,852
He took what could have been
a real cutout, cardboard-like villain...

390
00:18:52,863 --> 00:18:55,798
...and went somewhere different
with him as you'll see later.

391
00:18:57,168 --> 00:18:58,931
We used to have a sequence...

392
00:18:59,103 --> 00:19:02,197
...that took us off into a big luau party
right here.

393
00:19:02,373 --> 00:19:05,604
And actually, Cody was gonna ride
the wave the next day, isn't that right?

394
00:19:05,776 --> 00:19:06,800
It slowed everything down.

395
00:19:06,977 --> 00:19:09,002
We had, like, a three-hour first act,
didn't we?

396
00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:12,638
Yeah, 80 minutes. Get to the point.

397
00:19:13,384 --> 00:19:15,375
This used to be
a much more complicated scene.

398
00:19:15,553 --> 00:19:17,384
It was a big dialogue-driven...

399
00:19:17,555 --> 00:19:18,852
Or even before that, remember?

400
00:19:19,023 --> 00:19:22,515
When Cody was saving Chicken Joe
from being beaten up.

401
00:19:22,693 --> 00:19:25,093
- That's right.
- And then the Ransoms came in.

402
00:19:25,262 --> 00:19:28,288
They were Tank's cronies.
And they held Cody down.

403
00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:33,066
Lani rushed in and flipped Tank
on his back.

404
00:19:33,237 --> 00:19:35,364
That was the three-hour version,
I think.

405
00:19:35,539 --> 00:19:37,029
It was our head of story, Jeff Ranjo.

406
00:19:37,208 --> 00:19:40,143
He came up with the great,
efficient way of just moving forward.

407
00:19:40,311 --> 00:19:40,377
You have the memorial surfboard
out on the rock.

408
00:19:40,377 --> 00:19:42,208
You have the memorial surfboard
out on the rock.

409
00:19:42,379 --> 00:19:44,609
And somebody's throwing rocks at it.

410
00:19:45,583 --> 00:19:48,450
Now, those urchins, they come back
a little bit later.

411
00:19:48,619 --> 00:19:50,644
At least one of them does.

412
00:19:52,022 --> 00:19:54,820
This one used to be, like,
so much longer too.

413
00:19:54,992 --> 00:19:56,550
Cody would...
He wouldn't take a wave.

414
00:19:56,727 --> 00:20:00,561
And he was really... Really was
wearing his fear on his sleeve.

415
00:20:00,731 --> 00:20:03,791
You just wanted him to wipeout.

416
00:20:04,401 --> 00:20:05,663
I remember nearly doing this.

417
00:20:05,836 --> 00:20:07,736
Of course the wave that I was on
doing that...

418
00:20:08,505 --> 00:20:11,372
...was about a foot and a half high,
but it was still pretty frightening.

419
00:20:11,542 --> 00:20:14,272
Well, we've had some
of the best teachers in the world.

420
00:20:14,445 --> 00:20:17,437
We had Kelly and Rob
teaching us too, so...

421
00:20:17,615 --> 00:20:19,173
And we still surf the way we do.

422
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:21,784
- Yup, no reflection on their skill.
- Yup.

423
00:20:21,952 --> 00:20:25,012
- We're still useless.
- I wouldn't call it surfing.

424
00:20:26,857 --> 00:20:29,621
Now, we can't tell you anything
about the waves technically...

425
00:20:29,793 --> 00:20:31,784
...because we don't know anything
about the waves.

426
00:20:31,962 --> 00:20:36,126
And we all, between us, we have
a brain the size of a hamster.

427
00:20:38,002 --> 00:20:40,937
But a lot of the scenes with the water,
and the jungles and everything...

428
00:20:41,105 --> 00:20:43,801
...I know we would look at them
and say, "Fantastic."

429
00:20:43,974 --> 00:20:47,375
And the guys would say,
"Yeah, but we're not done yet."

430
00:20:47,912 --> 00:20:50,813
You know, and a few days later,
it would look even better.

431
00:20:50,981 --> 00:20:53,882
And these guys
kept topping themselves.

432
00:20:54,618 --> 00:20:57,849
And this one, this is an odd one
where we kept trying, you know...

433
00:20:58,022 --> 00:21:01,219
...well, would it be
just two wipeouts, three?

434
00:21:01,392 --> 00:21:03,189
Rule of comedy is three.

435
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,225
But somehow when we added
the fourth one in...

436
00:21:05,396 --> 00:21:07,387
...people really laughed.
The three was funny.

437
00:21:07,765 --> 00:21:10,893
The fourth one they weren't expecting,
especially the different angle.

438
00:21:11,068 --> 00:21:13,468
Plus Cody had said, "You know,
you're gonna wanna watch it...

439
00:21:13,637 --> 00:21:16,606
...one, two, three.
Over and over and over and over."

440
00:21:17,775 --> 00:21:20,801
Now, why the camera people
didn't go and rescue Cody...

441
00:21:20,978 --> 00:21:23,276
- I'm not sure why they...
- There's a rule of noninvolvement.

442
00:21:23,447 --> 00:21:25,813
- Oh, right. That's right.
- Yeah, don't make the news.

443
00:21:25,983 --> 00:21:28,281
- Just report the news.
- Yeah.

444
00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:31,752
We used to have Lani out there,
doing the rescue.

445
00:21:31,922 --> 00:21:33,014
Cody was passed out...

446
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:35,385
...and she was the one
kind of suffering for Cody.

447
00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:37,493
I don't know why we did that.

448
00:21:37,661 --> 00:21:39,595
- Now, this scene...
- Try, you try.

449
00:21:39,763 --> 00:21:43,255
...described to us by a guy
from Quicksilver and he walked in.

450
00:21:43,434 --> 00:21:44,423
Yeah.

451
00:21:44,601 --> 00:21:47,832
He described what it's like
to almost drown.

452
00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:49,336
It stayed with this, because I think...

453
00:21:49,506 --> 00:21:51,804
...it was early on that he showed us
that... You know...

454
00:21:51,976 --> 00:21:55,070
...what it looked like to drown
as he's, sort of, like, lying on the floor...

455
00:21:55,245 --> 00:21:57,873
...of the conference room
with his arms and legs in the air.

456
00:21:58,048 --> 00:21:59,106
- I forgot about that.
- Yeah.

457
00:21:59,283 --> 00:22:01,183
A lot of the surfers talk about
how once you're...

458
00:22:01,352 --> 00:22:03,081
If you've wiped out
and you're under water...

459
00:22:03,253 --> 00:22:06,313
...often, you can't tell which way is up,
which way is down.

460
00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,549
And you'll be swimming thinking
you're surfacing...

461
00:22:08,726 --> 00:22:10,387
...and you'll hit the bottom
of the reef...

462
00:22:10,561 --> 00:22:12,153
...realize you're going
the wrong way.

463
00:22:12,329 --> 00:22:14,422
When you come up for air,
sometimes that next wave...

464
00:22:14,598 --> 00:22:18,557
...is right down on top of you.
You don't even get another breath.

465
00:22:18,736 --> 00:22:21,170
- Tank, you okay?
- Tank needs fuel.

466
00:22:21,338 --> 00:22:23,966
Now, he says it tastes like...

467
00:22:24,475 --> 00:22:25,464
- Shellfish.
- Shellfish.

468
00:22:25,642 --> 00:22:27,371
Shellfish, I just wanna be clear
about that.

469
00:22:27,544 --> 00:22:29,603
And he doesn't like shellfish.

470
00:22:34,084 --> 00:22:36,279
I think it was Ed who animated that.

471
00:22:36,453 --> 00:22:38,478
I'm sorry, boarded that scene,
initially.

472
00:22:38,655 --> 00:22:41,886
And there were fish coming out
of Cody's mouth...

473
00:22:42,059 --> 00:22:43,720
...when Lani was pushing down
on his chest.

474
00:22:43,894 --> 00:22:44,883
That's right.

475
00:22:45,062 --> 00:22:46,529
Ed Gombert.

476
00:22:48,632 --> 00:22:49,656
- You know, I'm...
- Ha.

477
00:22:50,567 --> 00:22:53,832
We had these three actors
on the coach together and they were...

478
00:22:54,671 --> 00:22:58,732
This was the moment
where Glen acts out Cody wiping out...

479
00:22:58,909 --> 00:23:02,037
...that was a touch that the animator,
Pete Nash, added.

480
00:23:02,212 --> 00:23:05,238
- That was beautiful.
- We didn't expect that.

481
00:23:10,087 --> 00:23:11,987
Again, beautiful camerawork here...

482
00:23:12,156 --> 00:23:15,819
...with a little spotlight that they used.
The rain.

483
00:23:15,993 --> 00:23:17,654
We did have one point,
we were gonna do it...

484
00:23:17,828 --> 00:23:19,159
...all that sort of night camera.

485
00:23:19,329 --> 00:23:23,561
Green with those sort of, you know,
those glowing eyes.

486
00:23:23,734 --> 00:23:26,760
- Green retinas and all that.
- Just a little too creepy.

487
00:23:26,937 --> 00:23:28,837
- But I think we always wanted this.
- Yeah.

488
00:23:29,006 --> 00:23:30,940
And it came out beautifully.

489
00:23:31,108 --> 00:23:32,507
I think from the beginning...

490
00:23:32,676 --> 00:23:35,236
...we always imagined setting up
the Geek as...

491
00:23:35,412 --> 00:23:38,973
Or introducing him as being a guy
asleep outside in the rain.

492
00:23:39,283 --> 00:23:42,650
Just kind of tells you all about
how out of touch he is...

493
00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,879
...how washed up he is.

494
00:23:45,722 --> 00:23:46,814
Jeff's great here.

495
00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:48,480
Remember when he first came in...

496
00:23:48,659 --> 00:23:50,684
...he was actually doing more
of a cartoon voice.

497
00:23:50,861 --> 00:23:52,852
Yes, little bit higher voice
and all that.

498
00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:55,999
We said, "Just do your own voice."

499
00:23:57,101 --> 00:23:59,262
- I remember.
- Jeff is this character.

500
00:23:59,436 --> 00:24:01,131
- He just...
- Yeah.

501
00:24:01,305 --> 00:24:03,398
He brought so much
of himself to it.

502
00:24:05,742 --> 00:24:09,439
These actors did this, I mean,
the same thing all together...

503
00:24:09,613 --> 00:24:11,171
...the three of them.

504
00:24:11,348 --> 00:24:13,373
It gives all that overlapping feeling.

505
00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:17,145
The three of them acting,
workshopping this sequence...

506
00:24:17,321 --> 00:24:19,289
...was fantastic.

507
00:24:20,657 --> 00:24:21,646
Okay, Fire Urchin.

508
00:24:21,825 --> 00:24:25,090
Oh, lvan, you know, this is a tribute
to our editor.

509
00:24:25,262 --> 00:24:27,856
Who came...? Who did this first?
Was this Ed Gombert, who did the...?

510
00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:31,262
Yeah, but I think it was your idea,
Chris, to...

511
00:24:31,435 --> 00:24:33,096
To interview the Fire Urchin.

512
00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:34,794
Yeah, and then Ed Gombert
boarded it...

513
00:24:34,972 --> 00:24:37,031
...and came up
with a lot of great dialogue.

514
00:24:37,474 --> 00:24:39,374
I'll take credit for it...

515
00:24:41,512 --> 00:24:43,036
...if you like it at home.

516
00:24:43,213 --> 00:24:45,545
And if you don't,
it was Chris Jenkins.

517
00:24:45,716 --> 00:24:49,117
And Matt Taylor did the voice
for the urchin...

518
00:24:49,286 --> 00:24:52,847
...which is... Matt was one of our
storyboard artist.

519
00:24:53,023 --> 00:24:54,388
And great improviser. He helped...

520
00:24:54,558 --> 00:24:57,152
We would workshop scenes
with Matt...

521
00:24:57,327 --> 00:24:59,955
...and one of our development guys,
Pete Burns...

522
00:25:00,130 --> 00:25:02,621
...and they would give us
great material.

523
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,393
Particularly with our final sessions
with him.

524
00:25:05,569 --> 00:25:07,537
It was written in a different way
in that regard.

525
00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:11,731
I mean, we just allowed the improv
to, you know, create the scenes.

526
00:25:12,809 --> 00:25:15,869
Knowing that we were hitting marks
all the way along that...

527
00:25:17,314 --> 00:25:19,748
We went back and forth in this scene
a couple of times.

528
00:25:21,018 --> 00:25:23,486
Yeah, well, our first instinct
was to go with this.

529
00:25:25,189 --> 00:25:27,157
That's what you do when you get
some kind of...

530
00:25:27,324 --> 00:25:29,622
Yeah, it's really a surefire cure.
It really is.

531
00:25:29,793 --> 00:25:31,693
Then, we second guessed ourselves.

532
00:25:31,862 --> 00:25:34,763
Well, Jeff, every time he came in,
he'd go, "Is the pee scene still in?"

533
00:25:35,165 --> 00:25:36,257
We got nervous at one point.

534
00:25:36,433 --> 00:25:38,594
- We said, "Yeah, kind of."
- Because I'm not, you know...

535
00:25:38,769 --> 00:25:41,897
- Oh, good. Okay, good.
- And it really works, right guys?

536
00:25:42,973 --> 00:25:44,497
- I hope.
- I don't know.

537
00:25:44,675 --> 00:25:46,074
We hear.

538
00:25:46,243 --> 00:25:48,612
Why did you...?
That time I cut my foot?

539
00:25:48,612 --> 00:25:50,170
Why did you...?
That time I cut my foot?

540
00:25:51,715 --> 00:25:55,310
Then the kids came in later
and I think...

541
00:25:55,485 --> 00:25:59,012
...they kind of take the ick factor off it,
if you have any of it.

542
00:25:59,189 --> 00:26:03,023
Now, this is Reese,
our youngest daughter.

543
00:26:03,193 --> 00:26:07,095
And then Reed, my son,
and Jeff Ranjo's son.

544
00:26:07,264 --> 00:26:08,822
- Jack.
- Smudge, Jack.

545
00:26:08,999 --> 00:26:11,763
- Playing Smudge.
- Is his son named Smudge?

546
00:26:11,935 --> 00:26:14,768
- Son Jack playing Smudge.
- Okay.

547
00:26:15,539 --> 00:26:17,200
- Oh, come on.
- Bye.

548
00:26:17,908 --> 00:26:21,071
- This was a much longer scene too.
- Oh, yeah.

549
00:26:22,946 --> 00:26:27,815
And then we decided to end
with a little classy joke.

550
00:26:28,418 --> 00:26:30,682
- Look at that for...
- <i>Masterpiece Theatre</i> right there.

551
00:26:30,854 --> 00:26:33,584
Now, that burp was provided
by Jon Heder.

552
00:26:33,757 --> 00:26:35,657
- Jon Heder.
- Jon Heder.

553
00:26:36,193 --> 00:26:37,820
That's right.

554
00:26:38,295 --> 00:26:39,489
With the Reggie character...

555
00:26:39,663 --> 00:26:43,326
...he was originally much more
of a villain, and then he just...

556
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,628
Cody was his own villain, really.

557
00:26:46,803 --> 00:26:49,670
You know,
it's his struggle whether to...

558
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,365
Yeah, the internal struggle
and his struggle with Z.

559
00:26:52,542 --> 00:26:55,670
- Yeah.
- We didn't need a... kind of villain.

560
00:26:55,846 --> 00:26:59,077
- Right. So Reggie's part got a little...
- We couldn't even spell that.

561
00:26:59,249 --> 00:27:01,114
- Or villain?
- Yeah.

562
00:27:01,285 --> 00:27:03,378
- I can't spell either of them.
- Yeah.

563
00:27:03,553 --> 00:27:05,646
Okay, so then...

564
00:27:05,822 --> 00:27:08,154
...we got the idea of Joe...
We gotta keep Joe in the movie.

565
00:27:08,325 --> 00:27:11,192
Everybody loved Joe,
but Joe was separate from Cody.

566
00:27:11,361 --> 00:27:14,421
So, what is... I guess the idea came up
that he would be searching for him.

567
00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:16,759
- Yeah.
- So that keeps Joe alive.

568
00:27:16,933 --> 00:27:18,332
Well, not in that scene.

569
00:27:20,637 --> 00:27:24,539
Chicken Joe, of course,
was just a breakout...

570
00:27:24,941 --> 00:27:27,341
...cool and wonderful character
in the movie.

571
00:27:28,845 --> 00:27:31,439
Yeah, Jon just found him.

572
00:27:32,749 --> 00:27:34,341
But Jon found him
in the first session.

573
00:27:34,518 --> 00:27:37,487
- Yeah, he did.
- But we had him come in and audition.

574
00:27:37,654 --> 00:27:41,488
Just in that room, set up a little tape
recorder and did some great stuff.

575
00:27:41,658 --> 00:27:43,592
Jon was always the choice
for Chicken Joe...

576
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,625
...after seeing <i>Napoleon.</i>

577
00:27:45,796 --> 00:27:47,957
<i>Napoleon Dynamite</i> that is.

578
00:27:49,666 --> 00:27:51,896
At this point in the movie,
you can't smell this...

579
00:27:52,069 --> 00:27:56,665
...but, you know, Z hasn't washed
for about 10 years.

580
00:27:58,542 --> 00:28:01,909
The jungle that these guys created,
the lighting...

581
00:28:02,579 --> 00:28:04,479
...and the leaves
and the wind blowing...

582
00:28:04,648 --> 00:28:06,673
...it's amazing.

583
00:28:07,718 --> 00:28:10,016
I think it was one of our writers,
Don Rymer...

584
00:28:10,187 --> 00:28:13,179
...who came up with this idea
that Cody lost his necklace.

585
00:28:13,357 --> 00:28:16,349
And once he had made
that suggestion...

586
00:28:16,526 --> 00:28:17,993
...everything fell into place here.

587
00:28:18,161 --> 00:28:19,788
Because we struggled
for a long time...

588
00:28:19,963 --> 00:28:23,126
...about how to get Z motivated
to help this kid out.

589
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,928
- And get involved in his life.
- That's right.

590
00:28:26,103 --> 00:28:30,403
Yeah, we had that whole thing about Z
having a particular scar.

591
00:28:31,041 --> 00:28:32,804
Yeah, and Cody would recognize.

592
00:28:32,976 --> 00:28:35,103
So losing the necklace brings up
the conversation...

593
00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:37,769
...about the meeting
10 years earlier.

594
00:28:37,948 --> 00:28:39,745
And then gives Z a chance
to make a decision...

595
00:28:39,916 --> 00:28:42,282
...after he's gone back to his tree.

596
00:28:42,452 --> 00:28:44,386
Yeah, so Z feels somewhat
responsible...

597
00:28:44,554 --> 00:28:46,283
...for where this kid is right now.

598
00:28:46,456 --> 00:28:48,617
And has set him on his path.

599
00:28:48,792 --> 00:28:51,283
Beautiful song
by Ken Andrews here.

600
00:28:51,461 --> 00:28:53,292
It's just fantastic.

601
00:28:53,463 --> 00:28:55,863
We had a great music supervisor...

602
00:28:56,032 --> 00:28:59,297
...Liza Richardson,
also working with Lia Vollack.

603
00:28:59,469 --> 00:29:01,937
Some incredible music.

604
00:29:02,105 --> 00:29:03,333
They would just turn up...

605
00:29:03,507 --> 00:29:06,772
These original songs would come
into the studio.

606
00:29:06,943 --> 00:29:10,936
They can bring a CD in and say,
"Hey, we're gonna play this moment."

607
00:29:11,848 --> 00:29:12,872
They were perfect.

608
00:29:13,049 --> 00:29:15,381
It was a treat the day this came in.

609
00:29:15,552 --> 00:29:18,043
This anchors the scene emotionally.

610
00:29:18,221 --> 00:29:20,985
The values in this scene,
it's not sad.

611
00:29:21,158 --> 00:29:24,218
It's just, there's a certain kind of...

612
00:29:25,962 --> 00:29:29,022
...something that I can't think about
right now.

613
00:29:32,936 --> 00:29:34,961
- Lf you say so.
- Not quite.

614
00:29:42,746 --> 00:29:46,147
This is the international version,
listeners.

615
00:29:46,883 --> 00:29:48,282
One of the inspirations for Z...

616
00:29:48,452 --> 00:29:51,421
...was a legendary surfer named
Greg Knoll...

617
00:29:51,955 --> 00:29:55,288
...who rode big waves
before anybody else was.

618
00:29:55,625 --> 00:29:57,559
Back in the '50s.

619
00:29:57,727 --> 00:30:01,493
And he rode one of the biggest waves
ever recorded.

620
00:30:01,665 --> 00:30:02,859
It wasn't filmed or anything...

621
00:30:03,033 --> 00:30:05,729
...and he walked away from surfing
after that.

622
00:30:05,902 --> 00:30:09,838
And that was part of our... Something...
That idea led to, you know...

623
00:30:10,006 --> 00:30:13,908
...what if we had
this Elvis-type surfer...

624
00:30:15,178 --> 00:30:16,202
...who got really big...

625
00:30:16,379 --> 00:30:18,711
...and then all of a sudden
disappeared one day?

626
00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:22,311
We learned all about the koa wood.

627
00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:25,954
And how boards...

628
00:30:26,122 --> 00:30:28,454
...how they're made, best boards.

629
00:30:28,992 --> 00:30:30,516
You want to make one?

630
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,387
Remember we talked about
this bit, too...

631
00:30:32,562 --> 00:30:35,258
...where, you know,
I was talking about a scene...

632
00:30:35,432 --> 00:30:37,195
...you know, at home...

633
00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:40,131
...where you go to your teenager
and wanna do something with them.

634
00:30:40,303 --> 00:30:42,271
And you wanna be the best dad
in the world.

635
00:30:42,439 --> 00:30:44,066
And you're gonna go to them
and say:

636
00:30:44,241 --> 00:30:46,675
"Hey, you wanna go do this with me?
I think it'll be great."

637
00:30:46,843 --> 00:30:49,539
You're expecting the kid to say,
"Yeah, Dad. You're the best."

638
00:30:49,713 --> 00:30:52,204
And give you a big hug and all that,
whatever.

639
00:30:52,382 --> 00:30:55,579
But normally, they would just say:

640
00:30:55,852 --> 00:30:57,820
"Never mind, I don't really want to."

641
00:30:57,988 --> 00:30:59,979
And so we tried to go
for that kind of feeling...

642
00:31:00,156 --> 00:31:03,148
...more than... You know,
the believable kind of relationship...

643
00:31:03,326 --> 00:31:04,452
...with Cody and Z...

644
00:31:04,628 --> 00:31:08,621
...as opposed to just the, you know,
the fantasy of it all.

645
00:31:08,798 --> 00:31:10,493
I think that happened to you,
didn't it?

646
00:31:10,667 --> 00:31:12,498
Isn't that...? There was an example
that weekend...

647
00:31:12,669 --> 00:31:14,830
...you brought it in, we thought,
"Great, let's get that."

648
00:31:15,005 --> 00:31:18,736
Oh, yeah, we bring our lives into this,
you know...

649
00:31:18,909 --> 00:31:20,570
...this movie.

650
00:31:21,244 --> 00:31:22,711
And I think our families...

651
00:31:24,147 --> 00:31:26,240
...will be scarred forever
by watching some of this.

652
00:31:29,252 --> 00:31:31,516
Now, this whole log-rolling concept
came up...

653
00:31:31,688 --> 00:31:35,419
...we just needed a device
to get Z and Cody to the beach.

654
00:31:35,592 --> 00:31:38,356
We knew Z wouldn't consciously
go back to his old place.

655
00:31:38,528 --> 00:31:39,927
See, he's heading back
to his house.

656
00:31:40,096 --> 00:31:42,064
His house is off on the right there.

657
00:31:42,232 --> 00:31:45,895
And now, they're heading away.

658
00:31:46,736 --> 00:31:50,570
Mychael Danna created
some really great music for this.

659
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:53,766
It was fun watching this stuff
being recorded too.

660
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:57,008
Oh, once again we threw something
completely different to him, you know.

661
00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,549
Instead of this big, lush,
symphonic score, we were like:

662
00:32:01,718 --> 00:32:06,382
"This little bit, try something
kind of Islandy sort of thing.

663
00:32:06,556 --> 00:32:08,581
- You know, log chasing."
- "Okay."

664
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:10,651
- And he'd go for it.
- Yeah.

665
00:32:10,827 --> 00:32:12,624
His brother happened to be in town
that weekend.

666
00:32:13,063 --> 00:32:16,396
And his brother plays the uke
and they put this little piece together.

667
00:32:16,566 --> 00:32:18,193
- It's a great piece.
- Yeah.

668
00:32:18,368 --> 00:32:20,598
Well, the scene used to feel
really dangerous.

669
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:24,866
We had Steve Ticknor,
who's our sound designer...

670
00:32:25,041 --> 00:32:26,872
...and he did brilliant work.

671
00:32:27,043 --> 00:32:30,444
But it was scary
because a giant log rolling down...

672
00:32:30,614 --> 00:32:34,106
...and Z caught going off a cliff.

673
00:32:34,284 --> 00:32:36,013
But we added the music
and it made it...

674
00:32:36,186 --> 00:32:39,383
...just gave it a tone...
A little more humor, right?

675
00:32:39,823 --> 00:32:43,987
Here's the most perfect beach
you will ever find.

676
00:32:45,161 --> 00:32:46,628
And it doesn't exist.

677
00:32:46,796 --> 00:32:49,356
- Darn.
- Yeah.

678
00:32:55,005 --> 00:32:59,374
Squids don't necessarily need
to live in water in our movie.

679
00:33:00,143 --> 00:33:00,877
There's a tank of water
just off frame.

680
00:33:00,877 --> 00:33:03,402
There's a tank of water
just off frame.

681
00:33:09,152 --> 00:33:11,848
Our visual development team...

682
00:33:12,455 --> 00:33:15,117
...just did a beautiful job
coming up...

683
00:33:15,492 --> 00:33:16,618
...with this world.

684
00:33:16,793 --> 00:33:19,762
We said we wanted something natural
and primitive.

685
00:33:19,929 --> 00:33:23,126
- And I think it was Armand Serrano.
- Armand Serrano.

686
00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:24,823
- Beautiful.
- Who drew this originally.

687
00:33:25,001 --> 00:33:30,268
This leaned-over palm tree converted
into a board shack, like an old garage.

688
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,708
I love watching this with people.
Actually people that... Or kids.

689
00:33:34,878 --> 00:33:37,904
They may have figured it out
in the scene before, you know.

690
00:33:38,081 --> 00:33:39,673
- It was Z.
- "It's Z. It's Z."

691
00:33:39,849 --> 00:33:41,749
But they're not sure yet.

692
00:33:42,952 --> 00:33:45,420
So they're with you on the journey.

693
00:33:46,322 --> 00:33:48,222
Of course they look
at the Hawaiian flowers.

694
00:33:48,391 --> 00:33:49,653
They sort of figure it out.

695
00:33:49,826 --> 00:33:52,021
Yeah, on his chest.

696
00:33:52,796 --> 00:33:54,127
Everything's working in the scene.

697
00:33:54,297 --> 00:33:56,265
The way that the flowers
in the background...

698
00:33:56,433 --> 00:33:58,526
...at the bottom left there.

699
00:33:58,702 --> 00:34:01,068
Sand's moving.

700
00:34:02,072 --> 00:34:04,939
It was tough finding out
where to reveal Z.

701
00:34:05,108 --> 00:34:07,770
And then, it just kind of landed
in our laps.

702
00:34:08,244 --> 00:34:11,145
When he gets to his old house,
it's the perfect way to reveal it.

703
00:34:11,314 --> 00:34:14,545
Well, he reveals himself
and he doesn't tell Cody who he is...

704
00:34:14,718 --> 00:34:15,912
...it just happens, right?

705
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,422
Because of his being confronted
with his past, he just...

706
00:34:21,591 --> 00:34:22,956
That's how he reacts to everything.

707
00:34:23,993 --> 00:34:25,620
Cody puts it together.

708
00:34:25,795 --> 00:34:28,286
It's a very organic reveal that...

709
00:34:28,465 --> 00:34:31,901
I remember we had so many ideas
about Z having a scar...

710
00:34:35,205 --> 00:34:36,695
...a cupboard of trophies...

711
00:34:36,873 --> 00:34:40,138
Well, the question was always, like,
"How would Cody know who this...?"

712
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:41,971
It's like,
"Wait a minute, Cody's not..."

713
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,341
He's pretty bright.
He's gonna put it together, you know.

714
00:34:45,515 --> 00:34:48,643
You see this character reacting
the way they do.

715
00:34:48,952 --> 00:34:51,443
Often in story development,
you work on these things.

716
00:34:51,621 --> 00:34:53,213
And you second guess yourself.

717
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:55,880
Or you're being guessed
by a lot of people around you.

718
00:34:56,059 --> 00:34:59,460
All for good reasons, really,
but you kind of forget...

719
00:34:59,629 --> 00:35:02,029
...that people are discovering
their journey with you.

720
00:35:02,198 --> 00:35:08,137
And sometimes you try too hard
to disguise things without realizing...

721
00:35:08,304 --> 00:35:10,704
...that your perspective as a storyteller
is everything.

722
00:35:10,874 --> 00:35:12,364
You know the story inside out.

723
00:35:12,542 --> 00:35:14,601
But the audience
is just walking this path...

724
00:35:14,778 --> 00:35:17,008
...and discovering things
as they come up.

725
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:20,809
- What happened?
- I don't want to talk about it.

726
00:35:20,984 --> 00:35:23,680
I love the way he looks
in the camera there.

727
00:35:27,223 --> 00:35:30,056
We were always trying to keep
that idea alive...

728
00:35:30,226 --> 00:35:34,686
...that these characters
were going about their business.

729
00:35:34,864 --> 00:35:36,764
But at times,
when they were revealing things...

730
00:35:36,933 --> 00:35:39,197
...they didn't wanna be revealed,
in particularly with Z...

731
00:35:39,369 --> 00:35:41,303
...they'd looked right at the camera.

732
00:35:41,905 --> 00:35:45,204
Yeah, we wanted awareness
of the camera throughout.

733
00:35:45,475 --> 00:35:48,376
Not too often,
but enough to remind you...

734
00:35:48,545 --> 00:35:50,172
...that there's cameras
on the beach.

735
00:35:50,346 --> 00:35:53,042
And there's only 800
and something shots in the movie.

736
00:35:53,216 --> 00:35:56,481
It's a really low shot count
for a movie like this.

737
00:35:56,653 --> 00:35:58,553
Especially when we get to
making the board...

738
00:35:58,721 --> 00:36:02,384
...which is very long.
Couple of long scenes.

739
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,186
We wanted the limitation
of the camera...

740
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,055
...having to stay away
from the characters.

741
00:36:06,229 --> 00:36:09,892
It couldn't get exactly where it wanted
to get for the perfect shot every time.

742
00:36:12,402 --> 00:36:16,702
We had this kid thing all as one
and then, I think, lvan our editor...

743
00:36:17,507 --> 00:36:19,065
...split it up into three.

744
00:36:19,242 --> 00:36:22,700
Just kind of wrap the whole thing
around, yeah.

745
00:36:22,879 --> 00:36:24,870
Ivan's not only a fantastic editor...

746
00:36:25,048 --> 00:36:29,917
...he's a really great,
accomplished surfer himself.

747
00:36:30,086 --> 00:36:34,284
It turned out to be indispensable
that he was...

748
00:36:34,457 --> 00:36:36,516
Could help us connect
to the surf world...

749
00:36:36,693 --> 00:36:39,719
...and keep it real every day.

750
00:36:40,697 --> 00:36:43,928
Jack Ranjo's big line coming up.

751
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,330
He's a dirty trashcan full of poop.

752
00:36:46,502 --> 00:36:46,903
Hey, now, nobody made him
say that line, Chris.

753
00:36:46,903 --> 00:36:48,894
Hey, now, nobody made him
say that line, Chris.

754
00:36:49,072 --> 00:36:50,539
That was his own line.

755
00:36:50,707 --> 00:36:53,232
Yeah, well, maybe Jeff wrote it.
We don't know.

756
00:36:53,776 --> 00:36:55,937
- Hey, what's that?
- And Tank's mom...

757
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,412
- What a looker.
- Oh, yeah.

758
00:36:59,682 --> 00:37:02,276
- Played by Diedrich Bader.
- Yeah.

759
00:37:02,552 --> 00:37:05,487
Who is also a looker
as a matter of fact.

760
00:37:07,891 --> 00:37:10,655
Okay, this is probably the weirdest
sequence in the whole movie.

761
00:37:10,827 --> 00:37:11,953
Yeah, we admit it.

762
00:37:12,128 --> 00:37:15,461
- And it's Jeff Ranjo's fault.
- Jeff Ranjo, it's all his fault.

763
00:37:15,632 --> 00:37:19,864
Then Diedrich ran with it
and we encouraged it and all that.

764
00:37:20,603 --> 00:37:23,401
But as strange as this is, you know,
we were questioning it...

765
00:37:23,573 --> 00:37:25,541
...you know,
is this just too out there?

766
00:37:25,708 --> 00:37:28,871
Then I think about at the same time,
it was Super Bowl Sunday...

767
00:37:29,879 --> 00:37:34,043
...and in this particular Super Bowl,
they had...

768
00:37:34,217 --> 00:37:36,117
When you cut away
from the game...

769
00:37:36,786 --> 00:37:39,084
...they would cut to photographs
of the players...

770
00:37:39,255 --> 00:37:40,722
...posing with the trophy...

771
00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:43,415
...and kissing the trophy
and hugging the trophy.

772
00:37:43,593 --> 00:37:46,289
And we realize this is not so...

773
00:37:47,096 --> 00:37:48,859
...far out.
- This isn't weird.

774
00:37:49,032 --> 00:37:51,227
You know, but we pushed it.

775
00:37:51,834 --> 00:37:53,734
We make a little weirder.

776
00:37:54,037 --> 00:37:56,767
We had a test screening
and this first version...

777
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:58,965
...slightly, sort of the same,
people didn't like.

778
00:37:59,142 --> 00:38:02,669
We did a different version, edited it.
Nobody liked.

779
00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:05,507
So we went back
to the original version.

780
00:38:06,115 --> 00:38:07,343
- You know...
- I like the pretty...

781
00:38:07,517 --> 00:38:08,506
Kids get it on one level.

782
00:38:08,685 --> 00:38:10,744
Adults get it on another.

783
00:38:11,354 --> 00:38:13,049
Well, one of the ideas
is that Cody was...

784
00:38:13,222 --> 00:38:14,424
That's all Cody wanted to do,
was to win the trophy.

785
00:38:14,424 --> 00:38:15,789
That's all Cody wanted to do,
was to win the trophy.

786
00:38:15,959 --> 00:38:19,122
Epitomized winning. Well, we thought,
"What if our villain...?

787
00:38:19,295 --> 00:38:21,456
That's what he's all about.

788
00:38:21,631 --> 00:38:23,997
It's all about the trophy."

789
00:38:24,767 --> 00:38:28,168
One of our best
documentary shots here.

790
00:38:28,338 --> 00:38:31,671
Camera follows. It's still one shot.

791
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:35,741
Hey, who said you...

792
00:38:35,912 --> 00:38:38,574
Turn the board around.
Get back here.

793
00:38:39,082 --> 00:38:40,879
I think the water is...

794
00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:43,280
Some of the best water
is when it's like that.

795
00:38:43,453 --> 00:38:45,546
Not necessarily
when there's breaking waves.

796
00:38:45,722 --> 00:38:46,814
I just love this scene.

797
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:49,982
- You wanna jump in.
- Yeah.

798
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,821
- Well, I'd like you to jump in there.
- Beautiful.

799
00:38:52,996 --> 00:38:54,224
Jump off.

800
00:38:56,632 --> 00:38:59,897
We never got tired of putting Cody
through the ringer.

801
00:39:00,069 --> 00:39:02,537
He needed to be.

802
00:39:02,705 --> 00:39:03,763
Well, it's a cocky...

803
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:07,341
A cocky character,
you don't mind seeing him...

804
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:09,171
That was the interesting thing
with him...

805
00:39:09,345 --> 00:39:13,111
...was keeping him sort of driven
and cocky and that...

806
00:39:13,282 --> 00:39:15,307
- Likable?
- Likable.

807
00:39:15,485 --> 00:39:18,420
- Gotta keep him likable.
- And believable, I guess.

808
00:39:19,555 --> 00:39:21,182
- Mychael Danna's score.
- Oh, yeah.

809
00:39:21,357 --> 00:39:24,087
- We gotta...
- Funny little ditty that he did here.

810
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:26,660
The guy was versatile
more than like...

811
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:28,160
- That's...
- He's amazing, amazing.

812
00:39:28,331 --> 00:39:33,701
But he also wrote the SPEN theme,
the original, the opening theme.

813
00:39:34,837 --> 00:39:36,464
And then the Boneyards.

814
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,075
- Incredible music at the end.
- Score.

815
00:39:41,611 --> 00:39:44,307
Now, this X started off as a gag.

816
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,538
And it also showed...

817
00:39:45,715 --> 00:39:47,979
...you know, that Zeke was really
connected to the water.

818
00:39:48,151 --> 00:39:49,743
He knew when the waves
were gonna break.

819
00:39:49,919 --> 00:39:53,252
And it was kind of a one-off gag
at one point.

820
00:39:53,423 --> 00:39:55,584
And we'd realize
we could use it later on.

821
00:39:55,758 --> 00:39:57,953
Now, the precursor of that
was a scene...

822
00:39:58,127 --> 00:40:00,061
...that, I think, Ed Gombert
had created.

823
00:40:00,229 --> 00:40:01,389
A lovely scene.

824
00:40:01,564 --> 00:40:04,124
Where Z was very much...
Kind of like...

825
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:06,530
...he's doing transcendental meditation
on the beach.

826
00:40:06,702 --> 00:40:07,691
Oh, right.

827
00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:09,895
And he was counting down
the waves...

828
00:40:10,073 --> 00:40:13,201
...and he knew exactly
when each wave would break.

829
00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:15,970
With his eyes closed.
He didn't really need it.

830
00:40:16,145 --> 00:40:19,376
That wasn't ultimately, what,
Cody needed to learn.

831
00:40:19,549 --> 00:40:22,450
He didn't have to learn the technique
or the technical aspects of surfing.

832
00:40:22,618 --> 00:40:24,643
He needed to learn
how to have fun.

833
00:40:24,821 --> 00:40:27,051
We could have gone conventional
and said:

834
00:40:27,223 --> 00:40:29,316
"Well, there's gonna be a big contest
in act three...

835
00:40:29,492 --> 00:40:31,653
...and we need to have Cody,
like, training every day...

836
00:40:31,828 --> 00:40:33,193
...in leading up to that.

837
00:40:33,362 --> 00:40:34,624
We tried some versions.

838
00:40:34,797 --> 00:40:36,196
Yeah, they just never...

839
00:40:36,365 --> 00:40:40,131
It wasn't fun and it felt
like you had seen it before.

840
00:40:41,337 --> 00:40:43,168
Now, Rob has hair kind of like that.

841
00:40:43,339 --> 00:40:44,363
And by coincidence...

842
00:40:44,540 --> 00:40:47,907
...adolescent penguins grow
this crazy, brown feathery stuff...

843
00:40:48,077 --> 00:40:49,874
...out of their head
when they're teenagers.

844
00:40:50,046 --> 00:40:55,951
Not quite as much of a Chia Pet
as Rob became in this movie.

845
00:40:56,219 --> 00:40:58,312
Okay, you gotta tell
our wonderful listeners...

846
00:40:58,488 --> 00:41:00,353
...about this one right here.

847
00:41:00,523 --> 00:41:02,218
Well, Reed was talking about...

848
00:41:02,391 --> 00:41:04,723
Actually, he loves, you know,
toy guns and stuff like that.

849
00:41:04,894 --> 00:41:07,021
So I was asking him,
"What would you like on your gun?"

850
00:41:07,196 --> 00:41:08,527
He said,
"I'd like grenade launcher."

851
00:41:08,698 --> 00:41:12,657
So we took that out of context
and put it into the surfboard thing.

852
00:41:12,835 --> 00:41:13,893
Those happy accidents.

853
00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:17,836
- Oh, the Pen Guans.
- It's another happy accident.

854
00:41:18,307 --> 00:41:20,036
How many cameramen did we lose
in the movie?

855
00:41:22,745 --> 00:41:26,545
Now, we gotta give a nod
to Jason Lethcoe.

856
00:41:26,716 --> 00:41:28,843
- Yes.
- He really...

857
00:41:29,018 --> 00:41:30,576
Early on in production...

858
00:41:30,753 --> 00:41:32,516
...he took the whole middle
of the movie...

859
00:41:32,688 --> 00:41:34,087
...with Cody and Z...

860
00:41:34,257 --> 00:41:37,385
...and worked out a through line
about making a board.

861
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,791
Now, he... I think he told us
he was inspired by...

862
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:42,857
Being in the workshop...

863
00:41:43,032 --> 00:41:45,694
...with his granddad
when he was a kid.

864
00:41:45,868 --> 00:41:50,305
And he tapped into something here
that's universal.

865
00:41:50,907 --> 00:41:52,875
He really understood
the father-and-son dynamic...

866
00:41:53,042 --> 00:41:54,976
...of these guys.

867
00:41:56,179 --> 00:41:59,945
And in creating this scene,
it had echoes back...

868
00:42:00,116 --> 00:42:03,347
...and into the end of the movie.

869
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:08,286
The movie, I think, really sort of
added those elements back in...

870
00:42:08,457 --> 00:42:10,152
...to all aspects.

871
00:42:11,627 --> 00:42:14,187
Again a lot of great improv
from Jeff and Shia.

872
00:42:14,363 --> 00:42:16,160
Yeah, they were
in the room together.

873
00:42:16,332 --> 00:42:19,199
I think it was their first time together,
like the second day.

874
00:42:19,368 --> 00:42:21,268
We did three days in a row.

875
00:42:21,437 --> 00:42:24,998
And they did four takes.
That was all we needed.

876
00:42:25,174 --> 00:42:27,369
- Yeah.
- We wanted the overlaps.

877
00:42:27,543 --> 00:42:28,532
We wanted the improv.

878
00:42:28,711 --> 00:42:30,178
We wanted it to feel natural.

879
00:42:30,346 --> 00:42:33,144
This scene could be so written...

880
00:42:33,416 --> 00:42:38,217
...and really traditionally,
the information in this scene...

881
00:42:38,387 --> 00:42:41,117
It could be over in a few seconds.

882
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:42,689
But to actually experience...

883
00:42:42,858 --> 00:42:44,758
...this relationship developed
on-screen...

884
00:42:44,927 --> 00:42:47,020
...this is kind of the core
of the movie in a way.

885
00:42:47,196 --> 00:42:48,390
- Yeah.
- It is.

886
00:42:49,165 --> 00:42:53,932
We were asked many times to cut it.
Trim it...

887
00:42:54,437 --> 00:42:55,563
...way back.

888
00:42:55,738 --> 00:42:57,171
We kept saying, "I don't know."

889
00:42:57,340 --> 00:42:59,638
I think the whole gag works...

890
00:42:59,809 --> 00:43:03,245
...because of the tension that builds up
throughout the sequence.

891
00:43:03,412 --> 00:43:06,575
The subtlety of these performances
is just staggering.

892
00:43:06,749 --> 00:43:08,273
But they were cuing off too, I think...

893
00:43:08,451 --> 00:43:10,180
...of the great performances
they were getting.

894
00:43:10,353 --> 00:43:12,321
The very natural cadence
of the actors.

895
00:43:12,488 --> 00:43:15,423
And those little eccentric...

896
00:43:15,591 --> 00:43:18,890
...you know, characteristics
that you don't normally get...

897
00:43:19,061 --> 00:43:22,497
...because lines are, in other movies,
so delivered.

898
00:43:23,299 --> 00:43:26,393
Very unusual to have two actors
in the same space...

899
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:29,538
...acting out a scene
for an animated movie.

900
00:43:29,705 --> 00:43:33,106
Normally, you would record
one actor at a time...

901
00:43:33,276 --> 00:43:37,440
...and then a great deal of work goes
into trying to forge a connection...

902
00:43:37,613 --> 00:43:40,275
...between the performances.

903
00:43:40,449 --> 00:43:43,577
And that seemed a little crazy to us,
quite honestly. We thought...

904
00:43:43,753 --> 00:43:48,053
"If you want a natural performance,
put them together in the room."

905
00:43:48,324 --> 00:43:52,283
And everyone was worried about them
overlapping dialogue...

906
00:43:52,461 --> 00:43:55,658
...and how it would limit us
when we got back to editorial.

907
00:43:55,831 --> 00:43:57,856
No, we embraced it.

908
00:43:58,134 --> 00:44:01,626
We embraced to a large degree
the idea of spontaneity...

909
00:44:01,804 --> 00:44:04,705
...and kind of being stuck with
what you get on film...

910
00:44:04,874 --> 00:44:05,932
...or what you get on tape.

911
00:44:06,108 --> 00:44:08,235
That's what documentary filmmakers
have to deal with.

912
00:44:08,411 --> 00:44:13,416
It was important to keep that sense
of spontaneous reality in everything.

913
00:44:13,416 --> 00:44:13,905
It was important to keep that sense
of spontaneous reality in everything.

914
00:44:14,083 --> 00:44:18,281
The camera moves, then obviously,
the character performances...

915
00:44:18,454 --> 00:44:20,615
...the story events.

916
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:23,987
We wanted a sense of reality
unfolding in front of you...

917
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,957
...not these sort of...

918
00:44:26,696 --> 00:44:28,994
...preordained events
being locked down...

919
00:44:29,165 --> 00:44:30,359
...in a kind of a formulaic way.

920
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,467
That can sometimes happen.

921
00:44:32,635 --> 00:44:35,502
We had transcripts
of everything that these guys said...

922
00:44:35,671 --> 00:44:39,038
...so we could go in and find just the
right things with our highlighters...

923
00:44:39,208 --> 00:44:41,369
...and try to cut it all together.

924
00:44:41,544 --> 00:44:44,980
We had hours and hours of tape
to work with.

925
00:44:45,147 --> 00:44:47,115
So that made it a lot easier
with the transcripts.

926
00:44:48,451 --> 00:44:50,681
We have to thank
the blistered fingers...

927
00:44:50,853 --> 00:44:53,117
...of Jeannine. Yeah.
- Jeannine Marques, yes.

928
00:44:55,291 --> 00:44:58,089
So those voices are really good
on those penguins.

929
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,751
- Who plays those guys?
- Why, that would be us.

930
00:45:00,930 --> 00:45:02,591
Sped up.

931
00:45:02,765 --> 00:45:04,460
Well, I have never...

932
00:45:04,667 --> 00:45:06,794
Oh, it is just us.

933
00:45:08,571 --> 00:45:11,506
Again, you know, like with the kids,
you added more kids...

934
00:45:11,674 --> 00:45:13,608
...as the movie went on,
we added more Pen Guans.

935
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:17,402
- They're a very popular character.
- Yeah.

936
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:21,141
And John ad-libbed this scene here.

937
00:45:21,317 --> 00:45:22,375
- We just said, "What...?"
- Yeah.

938
00:45:22,551 --> 00:45:26,715
"How would Chicken Joe
take being put in a pot...

939
00:45:26,889 --> 00:45:28,220
...a boiling pot of water?"

940
00:45:28,824 --> 00:45:31,486
I love the opening up
the pores and...

941
00:45:37,166 --> 00:45:41,034
This is something that... I remember
you bringing this idea into work, Chris.

942
00:45:41,203 --> 00:45:44,798
The idea of going non-linear
with this sequence.

943
00:45:46,208 --> 00:45:49,200
Going back and forth, yeah.
Cutting ahead.

944
00:45:49,378 --> 00:45:52,176
We always had that struggle of trying
to keep the documentary alive...

945
00:45:52,348 --> 00:45:55,909
...because sometimes
it would just become too narrative.

946
00:45:56,085 --> 00:45:59,282
We're trying to tell the story
and we forget that it's a documentary.

947
00:45:59,455 --> 00:46:01,787
And we'd push ourselves
to keep that alive...

948
00:46:01,957 --> 00:46:03,925
...and others would push us too.

949
00:46:04,093 --> 00:46:08,393
So wherever we could,
we tried to keep those bits going.

950
00:46:09,799 --> 00:46:12,393
And then the fun idea, too,
that came in late.

951
00:46:12,568 --> 00:46:15,799
Not late. I mean, it's always there,
but I think we just kind of lost it...

952
00:46:15,971 --> 00:46:18,132
...in the second act a bit.

953
00:46:18,307 --> 00:46:23,438
So we tried to keep that alive
and it started here, I think.

954
00:46:24,313 --> 00:46:26,213
Because this sequence
was a little more melancholy...

955
00:46:26,382 --> 00:46:27,542
...than we really wanted.

956
00:46:27,716 --> 00:46:29,946
- Yeah, Z was too down.
- Yeah.

957
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:33,088
And we realized,
if he's gonna be the mentor...

958
00:46:33,422 --> 00:46:37,256
...he's gotta be the one who realizes,
"Wait, what are we doing? We're...

959
00:46:37,426 --> 00:46:38,791
We should be having a great time."

960
00:46:38,961 --> 00:46:42,556
And even Z hasn't been having a good
time and when he realizes that...

961
00:46:44,233 --> 00:46:46,827
...then it's time for him to be
a great teacher to Cody.

962
00:46:47,002 --> 00:46:50,563
And also, you know,
Cody, for Z, is a way of kind of...

963
00:46:50,739 --> 00:46:53,537
...reconciling with his past
because he's...

964
00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:56,678
Cody is kind of like Z was as a kid.

965
00:46:56,846 --> 00:47:00,213
Z is what Cody might be
if he goes down the wrong path...

966
00:47:00,382 --> 00:47:02,850
...where winning becomes
everything.

967
00:47:03,018 --> 00:47:05,452
And if it's everything,
it's not gonna...

968
00:47:05,621 --> 00:47:07,179
Being the champion,
you're not gonna be on top forever.

969
00:47:07,356 --> 00:47:10,052
And what your life's like,
when your glory days are behind you?

970
00:47:10,226 --> 00:47:11,591
- So...
- Right.

971
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,921
That was a strong hook in the movie,
I think, is that...

972
00:47:14,096 --> 00:47:17,725
...they're the same character
essentially separated by time.

973
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:25,831
This is a huge moment
for Lani in this sequence, I mean...

974
00:47:26,342 --> 00:47:30,039
A little nod to Denise Koyama
who storyboarded...

975
00:47:30,212 --> 00:47:32,942
...a lot of the Lani stuff.

976
00:47:33,115 --> 00:47:36,175
You know, being guys,
we just didn't understand the girl.

977
00:47:36,352 --> 00:47:38,843
And she brought a warmth
into this character...

978
00:47:39,021 --> 00:47:44,391
...and the slight sense of romance
building between Cody and Lani.

979
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,221
I think it's a really lovely...

980
00:47:46,395 --> 00:47:48,090
Ash, you rewrote
some of this stuff too.

981
00:47:48,264 --> 00:47:50,755
- That's right.
- That kooky stuff she does.

982
00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:52,662
Yeah, the waterfall stuff and all.

983
00:47:52,835 --> 00:47:55,429
- That's great. That's good.
- Yeah.

984
00:47:56,038 --> 00:47:57,835
What was the whole thing
with the lava tube?

985
00:47:58,007 --> 00:48:01,773
Because we knew that we were really
pushing the rules of a documentary...

986
00:48:01,944 --> 00:48:03,502
...in a camera following them
down here.

987
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:08,582
Well, there's a parallel track
through...

988
00:48:09,585 --> 00:48:11,212
...the ride coming up.

989
00:48:11,387 --> 00:48:13,184
- Yes.
- And that's how the camera followed.

990
00:48:13,355 --> 00:48:14,344
Yeah.

991
00:48:14,523 --> 00:48:17,048
Bravest cameraman
in the history of animation.

992
00:48:17,226 --> 00:48:19,558
- We lost a few.
- Yeah.

993
00:48:20,396 --> 00:48:22,023
All right!

994
00:48:22,331 --> 00:48:25,630
But James Williams came up
with this idea of a parallel track.

995
00:48:26,435 --> 00:48:29,404
- To make it more believable...
- How'd they get ahead of them there?

996
00:48:29,572 --> 00:48:31,870
Yeah, how did they...? How are they
ahead of them?

997
00:48:32,041 --> 00:48:34,100
- Where's the camera...?
- I track... You know what?

998
00:48:34,276 --> 00:48:36,744
- The guy's Welsh, I can't explain it.
- Yeah.

999
00:48:36,912 --> 00:48:39,437
And by the way,
penguins didn't invent surfing.

1000
00:48:40,049 --> 00:48:43,280
- You're kidding.
- Yeah, I know it's surprising.

1001
00:48:43,452 --> 00:48:45,215
Man, all this time.

1002
00:48:46,388 --> 00:48:48,686
This idea came up...
I'm not sure where it originated.

1003
00:48:48,857 --> 00:48:50,119
We were well into production...

1004
00:48:50,292 --> 00:48:53,557
...and then somebody read about
how the Hawaiians were doing this...

1005
00:48:53,729 --> 00:48:54,821
...2000 years ago.

1006
00:48:54,997 --> 00:48:56,555
They called it lava sledding.

1007
00:48:56,732 --> 00:48:59,860
- Jerry had been to Hawaii.
- Yeah, yeah.

1008
00:49:00,569 --> 00:49:03,060
And glow worms really do exist.

1009
00:49:03,238 --> 00:49:06,036
- Yeah, it was...
- That really is their poop.

1010
00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,732
Yeah, the glowing stuff
is their poop.

1011
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:09,639
Now, maybe they don't output
that much.

1012
00:49:09,812 --> 00:49:12,076
I don't think so. I hope not.

1013
00:49:12,247 --> 00:49:14,841
These guys are big eaters
on Pen Gu.

1014
00:49:15,017 --> 00:49:16,917
A little known fact that
that's actually radioactive.

1015
00:49:17,086 --> 00:49:21,352
We're kind of concerned
about Cody, I think.

1016
00:49:22,858 --> 00:49:25,190
Yeah, Ash, the stuff
coming up here.

1017
00:49:25,361 --> 00:49:29,821
You wrote this beautiful stuff
between Cody and Lani.

1018
00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:33,961
Look at that, look at the sentiment
of that. It's just...

1019
00:49:34,136 --> 00:49:37,594
I think that was Zooey-ism, right?
That stink-stink thing?

1020
00:49:37,773 --> 00:49:39,070
No, that was Ash.

1021
00:49:39,241 --> 00:49:40,401
That was an Ash-ism.

1022
00:49:40,576 --> 00:49:43,841
What happened is you...
You know, well, you'd...

1023
00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:47,107
You're with actors and you kind of
get to know their voices...

1024
00:49:47,282 --> 00:49:49,147
...and we could all go back.
We can all write.

1025
00:49:49,318 --> 00:49:51,980
Yeah. You're right because it's one
of the last scenes we did.

1026
00:49:52,154 --> 00:49:54,486
You just got to know
their voices after a while...

1027
00:49:54,657 --> 00:49:56,955
...and they talk to you in your head.

1028
00:49:58,827 --> 00:50:00,488
Oh, do they talk to you
in your head?

1029
00:50:00,663 --> 00:50:03,154
- You know, I never had that, Ash.
- Oh, okay.

1030
00:50:03,332 --> 00:50:05,425
We can cut that.

1031
00:50:05,968 --> 00:50:08,664
He's my uncle.
He's the only family I've got.

1032
00:50:09,071 --> 00:50:11,631
- There she is.
- Bucktoothed Lani.

1033
00:50:12,708 --> 00:50:14,767
- Even though penguins don't...
- Do they grow teeth?

1034
00:50:14,943 --> 00:50:15,932
I'm not sure.

1035
00:50:16,111 --> 00:50:20,548
No, I think that might have been
some kind of snack food...

1036
00:50:20,716 --> 00:50:23,207
...that she was eating at that time.
It just looks like a tooth.

1037
00:50:23,385 --> 00:50:26,479
- It was a lucky photograph.
- Oh, it was a snack food.

1038
00:50:33,095 --> 00:50:37,191
Another great song
that came in from a band called...

1039
00:50:37,366 --> 00:50:39,459
- Dirty Heads.
- Dirty Heads.

1040
00:50:40,836 --> 00:50:42,463
Slow mo, we slowed that down,
didn't we?

1041
00:50:42,638 --> 00:50:43,900
Didn't we stretch it?

1042
00:50:44,073 --> 00:50:46,132
- Yeah.
- Is that what it's called?

1043
00:50:46,875 --> 00:50:49,036
We were down in the wire.
We had a shorter scene...

1044
00:50:49,211 --> 00:50:50,872
...and then we just...
We wanted to...

1045
00:50:51,046 --> 00:50:53,207
We wanted the music
to hit certain beats...

1046
00:50:53,382 --> 00:50:55,213
...and, you know, really swell here.

1047
00:50:55,384 --> 00:50:57,909
- So we open up a couple of the shots.
- Can we stretch it?

1048
00:50:58,087 --> 00:50:59,554
I think it was all carefully planned...

1049
00:50:59,722 --> 00:51:01,587
...you guys are just
making this up now.

1050
00:51:01,757 --> 00:51:04,055
No, no. They have
a stretching machine.

1051
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,790
There was the idea of that...
That curl of wood...

1052
00:51:06,962 --> 00:51:09,954
...looking like the wave,
which is kind of nice little...

1053
00:51:10,132 --> 00:51:11,292
Oh, that's right. Yeah.

1054
00:51:11,467 --> 00:51:13,526
- Little thing that we threw in there.
- We tried.

1055
00:51:13,702 --> 00:51:15,533
It was out there.

1056
00:51:19,374 --> 00:51:22,104
That's pretty good
for a second board.

1057
00:51:23,846 --> 00:51:25,973
- Pretty good job.
- The ones that he damaged...

1058
00:51:26,148 --> 00:51:28,275
...before we got to this state.

1059
00:51:28,584 --> 00:51:30,449
- No.
- Let's see here.

1060
00:51:31,186 --> 00:51:33,654
Don't try this at home, by the way.

1061
00:51:36,158 --> 00:51:38,820
Come on! Come on!

1062
00:51:39,828 --> 00:51:42,023
I think this is the most beautiful scene
in the movie.

1063
00:51:42,197 --> 00:51:43,562
I love this one.

1064
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,036
We wanted to bring in the concept
of the tube as a...

1065
00:51:48,504 --> 00:51:50,734
Because we...
We went down to Trussels...

1066
00:51:50,906 --> 00:51:53,739
It's a surf spot near San Diego.
- And we interviewed real surfers.

1067
00:51:53,909 --> 00:51:56,207
They're the voices
that you hear coming up.

1068
00:51:56,378 --> 00:51:58,608
And we just started to realize that...

1069
00:51:58,981 --> 00:52:01,848
Yeah, surfing is competitive,
but there's also a real spiritual side.

1070
00:52:02,017 --> 00:52:07,011
Everybody kept talking about
what it's like to be inside the barrel.

1071
00:52:07,456 --> 00:52:10,482
And we just knew we had
to incorporate it into the movie...

1072
00:52:10,659 --> 00:52:12,217
...and it became...

1073
00:52:13,695 --> 00:52:18,564
Became the metaphor, I think,
or the theme, in a way.

1074
00:52:18,734 --> 00:52:20,702
Wait, wait, that's Toby, Cody.

1075
00:52:20,869 --> 00:52:22,496
It became the metaphor
of the symbol.

1076
00:52:22,671 --> 00:52:24,502
- Tobey, Tubey?
- This is <i>Surf's Up...</i>

1077
00:52:24,673 --> 00:52:27,301
...not <i>Spider-Man,</i>
ladies and gentlemen.

1078
00:52:28,076 --> 00:52:31,102
Isn't it? I thought we were talking
about <i>Spider-Man</i> all this time.

1079
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,841
No, it was Cody's thing.
It was Cody to be tubed.

1080
00:52:35,017 --> 00:52:36,245
Right, to get tubed.

1081
00:52:36,418 --> 00:52:38,409
- It's not what he wanted to...
- Be one with the wave.

1082
00:52:38,587 --> 00:52:40,714
- You know, necessarily do but...

1083
00:52:40,889 --> 00:52:43,153
Well, here, this moment right here
sums it all up...

1084
00:52:43,325 --> 00:52:45,293
...for where Cody still is.

1085
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:48,429
Yeah, "How many points
can I score for getting barreled?"

1086
00:52:48,597 --> 00:52:53,432
Didn't understand the spiritual
quality of being one with the water.

1087
00:52:53,602 --> 00:52:56,628
Now, Reggie Belafonte
is not a gopher.

1088
00:52:56,805 --> 00:52:58,466
- He is not a...
- Koala bear.

1089
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
- Koala, hedgehog.
- We're here to tell you... What is he?

1090
00:53:01,210 --> 00:53:03,405
- We're here to tell you.
- He is a sea otter.

1091
00:53:03,579 --> 00:53:06,571
- Sea otter.
- Okay.

1092
00:53:06,748 --> 00:53:07,683
- So chosen because...
- Look at the feet.

1093
00:53:07,683 --> 00:53:08,377
- So chosen because...
- Look at the feet.

1094
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:10,882
Is that his real hair, do you think?

1095
00:53:11,053 --> 00:53:12,281
- I don't know.
- Hard to say.

1096
00:53:12,454 --> 00:53:15,514
I've never seen a sea otter
like that personally, but, you know...

1097
00:53:17,526 --> 00:53:21,087
He's a sea otter because of...

1098
00:53:21,263 --> 00:53:24,096
He's a sort of a manipulative guy.

1099
00:53:24,566 --> 00:53:27,296
- And sea otters are very manipulative.
- They have hands.

1100
00:53:27,469 --> 00:53:29,630
- That's great.
- Oh, they have hands.

1101
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,873
Did you ever go to...

1102
00:53:34,409 --> 00:53:37,901
...Monterey and watch how
they pick pockets and stuff.

1103
00:53:38,413 --> 00:53:40,438
I get it. You guys look hungry.

1104
00:53:40,616 --> 00:53:42,106
So Joe got away
from the natives.

1105
00:53:42,284 --> 00:53:44,218
We had to bring him back.

1106
00:53:45,587 --> 00:53:48,351
Now, the Pen Guan language
is similar to Hovitos.

1107
00:53:49,725 --> 00:53:52,489
<i>Hukana matusa</i> means, I think,
"kill him" in Hovitos...

1108
00:53:52,661 --> 00:53:55,528
...but in Pen Guan,
it means "tastes like chicken."

1109
00:53:55,697 --> 00:53:57,961
So there's no confusion.

1110
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:04,002
Squids can actually
either be made into a snack food...

1111
00:54:04,172 --> 00:54:07,767
...or into a life preserver on Pen Gu,
by the way.

1112
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:10,935
- What face?
- Oh, man.

1113
00:54:11,413 --> 00:54:13,540
They go pink when you cook them.

1114
00:54:15,183 --> 00:54:18,346
That was all improv to. Reed's...

1115
00:54:19,221 --> 00:54:20,984
It wasn't true.

1116
00:54:23,292 --> 00:54:26,159
It was the improv of...
Reese was actually...

1117
00:54:26,328 --> 00:54:28,922
- That 's right.
- Sitting at home recording that line...

1118
00:54:29,097 --> 00:54:31,122
...and the cat...
- Oh, the cat.

1119
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,030
The cat had a trouser cough
as we call it back in Wales.

1120
00:54:34,202 --> 00:54:36,602
Cat had too many
bean burritos that night.

1121
00:54:36,772 --> 00:54:38,069
And she responded to that.

1122
00:54:39,141 --> 00:54:41,632
Hey, Z! Come on!

1123
00:54:41,810 --> 00:54:43,744
- Where you going?
- I thought we were going to train.

1124
00:54:43,912 --> 00:54:47,370
Not in the water. Jeez.
What are you thinking?

1125
00:54:48,417 --> 00:54:50,317
And this all became...
Again, last minute thing.

1126
00:54:50,485 --> 00:54:51,645
All became about fun also.

1127
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:53,219
- Yeah, originally...
- The training...

1128
00:54:53,388 --> 00:54:55,379
It was real nuts-and-bolts
training like...

1129
00:54:55,557 --> 00:54:57,821
Here's how you balance on a board
and here's how you turn.

1130
00:54:57,993 --> 00:55:00,154
There's a little leftover
with the rock thing, right?

1131
00:55:00,329 --> 00:55:01,318
Yeah.

1132
00:55:01,496 --> 00:55:02,758
But this was Ed again, right?

1133
00:55:02,931 --> 00:55:07,994
Ed Gombert had done a lot of stuff,
initially. I know that...

1134
00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:10,502
I think I actually brought
a lot of gags in here too...

1135
00:55:10,672 --> 00:55:12,970
...but the pineapple slices
on the eyes was from...

1136
00:55:13,141 --> 00:55:16,304
Yeah, that came from the scene
you mentioned earlier.

1137
00:55:17,145 --> 00:55:20,945
That was a line improvved by Jeff.

1138
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:24,516
Right, so we added that music back in
and sort of...

1139
00:55:24,686 --> 00:55:26,847
- That sitar.
- Sitar.

1140
00:55:27,022 --> 00:55:29,718
Okay, how did Jeff do that, guys?

1141
00:55:29,891 --> 00:55:31,188
He was talking about...

1142
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,828
He wanted us to show him
doing this great wave...

1143
00:55:33,996 --> 00:55:35,520
...and he acted out this whole thing.

1144
00:55:35,697 --> 00:55:37,688
- How he would surf the wave.
- Surf the wave.

1145
00:55:37,866 --> 00:55:39,857
He was not...
He didn't think he was on mike, right?

1146
00:55:40,035 --> 00:55:43,266
- Yeah.
- He's just showing us, so it's all real.

1147
00:55:43,438 --> 00:55:44,632
These are the kind of tricks...

1148
00:55:44,806 --> 00:55:47,297
...we used to play on each other
in making a movie.

1149
00:55:47,709 --> 00:55:49,734
Pineapples on the eyes.

1150
00:55:49,911 --> 00:55:51,173
Yeah.

1151
00:55:51,346 --> 00:55:53,541
Can I take them off now?

1152
00:55:54,516 --> 00:55:55,617
Ash and I do the interviewers
throughout the movie...

1153
00:55:55,617 --> 00:55:56,743
Ash and I do the interviewers
throughout the movie...

1154
00:55:56,918 --> 00:55:59,011
...so those are our voices.

1155
00:56:00,455 --> 00:56:02,355
Whether you like them or not.

1156
00:56:03,125 --> 00:56:04,717
I love them.

1157
00:56:05,894 --> 00:56:07,759
You owe me 20 bucks for that.

1158
00:56:08,430 --> 00:56:10,261
Where's my wallet?

1159
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:14,296
Now, this used to be a heck
of a lot more complicated.

1160
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:17,561
And there's the X again.

1161
00:56:17,739 --> 00:56:19,673
- Show them that Cody has...
- Number two X.

1162
00:56:19,841 --> 00:56:21,832
- Learned to read the waves.

1163
00:56:23,111 --> 00:56:24,874
And have fun.

1164
00:56:25,047 --> 00:56:26,036
Then, Cody...

1165
00:56:26,214 --> 00:56:28,580
And we took a lot longer for Z
getting back in the water...

1166
00:56:28,750 --> 00:56:30,547
...and we also
had this moment where...

1167
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:31,879
- The tiptoeing in.
- Yes, but...

1168
00:56:32,054 --> 00:56:34,215
But Z, wouldn't he
have this spiritual moment...

1169
00:56:34,389 --> 00:56:36,949
...going back in the water?
At this point in the movie...

1170
00:56:37,125 --> 00:56:40,652
...nobody cares.
It's like, let's just get into the water.

1171
00:56:41,363 --> 00:56:43,297
- That scene was much bigger.
- Yeah.

1172
00:56:43,465 --> 00:56:45,160
I just took forever to get Z
in the water.

1173
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:47,494
We thought we had to make a big deal
about it...

1174
00:56:47,669 --> 00:56:50,194
...and he'd have to tiptoe
out there and...

1175
00:56:50,372 --> 00:56:51,566
Yup.

1176
00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:54,834
The idea was Z hadn't been
in the water for 10 years.

1177
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:57,376
And so that was
such a big moment...

1178
00:56:59,181 --> 00:57:01,445
...and you had it be very serious.
He was, you know...

1179
00:57:01,616 --> 00:57:05,177
...considering whether to smack Cody
on the head...

1180
00:57:05,353 --> 00:57:06,843
...or go surfing and...

1181
00:57:07,022 --> 00:57:08,421
Just had him jump in the deep end.

1182
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:09,784
- Yeah.
- Yup.

1183
00:57:09,958 --> 00:57:12,392
It came through Chad Stuart
animated that great shot...

1184
00:57:12,561 --> 00:57:16,327
...where Z's upon the board
for the first time and he's tipsy.

1185
00:57:16,498 --> 00:57:18,932
It all came through right there.

1186
00:57:19,101 --> 00:57:23,003
We wanted to do...
Slow-mo photography...

1187
00:57:23,171 --> 00:57:24,900
...is a big part
of surf documentaries.

1188
00:57:25,073 --> 00:57:27,974
The waves look so much better
if you're shooting at...

1189
00:57:28,143 --> 00:57:31,271
...200 fps rather than real time.

1190
00:57:31,446 --> 00:57:34,347
Again, lmageworks folks,
they pulled it off.

1191
00:57:34,516 --> 00:57:36,507
You're gonna see
a few shots coming up here...

1192
00:57:36,685 --> 00:57:39,483
...that's just couldn't be
more beautiful.

1193
00:57:40,455 --> 00:57:43,117
Thanks to Sugar Ray
for this fantastic song.

1194
00:57:43,291 --> 00:57:45,987
And for Liza for bringing it to us.

1195
00:57:47,362 --> 00:57:49,023
Now, in this sequence, originally...

1196
00:57:49,731 --> 00:57:52,495
...Cody was gonna get tubed.

1197
00:57:53,101 --> 00:57:54,864
He was gonna find out
what it's all about...

1198
00:57:55,036 --> 00:57:56,765
...and he was gonna unlearn
that lesson...

1199
00:57:56,938 --> 00:57:58,929
...that was much too complex.

1200
00:57:59,107 --> 00:58:03,043
I think we felt that just to be able
to hold on to the experience...

1201
00:58:03,211 --> 00:58:06,009
...that's transformative for him.

1202
00:58:06,181 --> 00:58:09,082
Yeah, if you got tubed this early...

1203
00:58:09,851 --> 00:58:12,513
...then it said that he'd gotten past
needing to win.

1204
00:58:12,687 --> 00:58:15,679
If he went back to wanting to win,
then he hadn't learned a thing.

1205
00:58:15,857 --> 00:58:18,348
- So it was confusing.
- So we just keep it.

1206
00:58:18,527 --> 00:58:21,621
He has a good time out here,
but he doesn't get tubed.

1207
00:58:21,796 --> 00:58:24,822
Yeah, it's more about just getting
his confidence back so that he can...

1208
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,061
That he feels he can really ride
these waves...

1209
00:58:27,235 --> 00:58:31,569
...and maybe has what it takes
to go compete now.

1210
00:58:33,775 --> 00:58:35,504
Now, where did the cannon ball
come from?

1211
00:58:35,677 --> 00:58:38,111
- Was that in animation?
- I don't remember.

1212
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,305
Was it...? Was it lvan?

1213
00:58:40,482 --> 00:58:41,676
Oh, lvan suggested it.

1214
00:58:41,850 --> 00:58:44,648
- Ivan Bilancio.
- Great moment.

1215
00:58:48,590 --> 00:58:52,788
The water in that shot even when
they're not waves, the refraction...

1216
00:58:53,662 --> 00:58:55,630
I just wanna dive in.

1217
00:58:56,264 --> 00:58:59,461
So this is probably, I would say...

1218
00:58:59,634 --> 00:59:04,628
...the most complex story sequence
of the movie.

1219
00:59:05,574 --> 00:59:10,170
Z having to reveal what happened.
It was not easy.

1220
00:59:10,345 --> 00:59:13,280
We had it earlier in the movie.

1221
00:59:13,615 --> 00:59:17,449
Or I don't know if it was earlier,
but it was in a different place.

1222
00:59:17,619 --> 00:59:20,452
How much to reveal?
How much to say?

1223
00:59:20,622 --> 00:59:24,456
We had one point when both
the characters were really angry.

1224
00:59:25,193 --> 00:59:27,252
- You kind of hated both of them.
- Yeah.

1225
00:59:27,429 --> 00:59:29,420
You really didn't care
what happened.

1226
00:59:30,198 --> 00:59:33,690
But somehow Z's journey
was about coming back to life...

1227
00:59:33,868 --> 00:59:37,360
...and returning to the beach
and to his...

1228
00:59:38,340 --> 00:59:40,740
His old friends and his family.

1229
00:59:42,777 --> 00:59:46,713
We let that fear of having lost
so many years ago...

1230
00:59:46,881 --> 00:59:50,146
...be the thing that keeps him
from being able to go to the contest...

1231
00:59:50,318 --> 00:59:53,185
...and support Cody
and be there for him, so...

1232
00:59:54,723 --> 00:59:56,714
- It was tough.
- Yup.

1233
00:59:56,891 --> 00:59:58,825
History revised,
we call this sequence.

1234
00:59:58,994 --> 01:00:04,125
And I think we revised this one about
1000 times.

1235
01:00:04,299 --> 01:00:08,099
It's such a delicate balance
on information in here...

1236
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:09,430
...and tone for the movie.

1237
01:00:10,138 --> 01:00:12,834
Gets too deep and you start
to break the tone, the movie...

1238
01:00:13,008 --> 01:00:14,270
...becomes more of a drama.

1239
01:00:14,909 --> 01:00:18,436
But there are some very big and
important things going on in this scene.

1240
01:00:18,613 --> 01:00:20,410
It turned out
to be the right moment...

1241
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:23,142
...for Z to reveal why he was
in hiding.

1242
01:00:23,318 --> 01:00:27,755
And that his fear of showing
his face again as a loser...

1243
01:00:27,922 --> 01:00:30,447
...kept him from being able to go
and support Cody.

1244
01:00:30,625 --> 01:00:32,354
So they didn't pass.

1245
01:00:34,329 --> 01:00:38,698
God, it looks so easy now, guys.
We struggled...

1246
01:00:40,735 --> 01:00:45,229
Back to the archival footage.
Great grainy look.

1247
01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:49,535
Ash, you did some beautiful
versions of this...

1248
01:00:49,711 --> 01:00:53,943
...I mean, going all the way back
to virtually the beginning of the movie.

1249
01:00:54,449 --> 01:00:57,475
- Well, we have...
- Yeah, it used to be in...

1250
01:00:57,986 --> 01:01:01,444
...in his tree, he revealed this,
didn't he?

1251
01:01:01,723 --> 01:01:03,020
Oh, really?

1252
01:01:04,092 --> 01:01:09,189
And even before that this is where
Geek revealed that he was Big Z.

1253
01:01:09,898 --> 01:01:12,128
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
01:01:12,801 --> 01:01:14,393
Oh, this is the exact
same scene, right?

1255
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:16,230
- That we used earlier.
- Yeah.

1256
01:01:16,404 --> 01:01:18,599
There's this spot lit...

1257
01:01:19,674 --> 01:01:23,542
So if you go back
and look at that scene now...

1258
01:01:23,712 --> 01:01:25,942
Back when Cody
first arrives in the island.

1259
01:01:26,114 --> 01:01:31,347
- You'll see Z backing off the board
and disappearing in the white water.

1260
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:33,481
Not wiping out.

1261
01:01:33,888 --> 01:01:37,221
I thought it would be kind of nice
to have a Zapruder like moment.

1262
01:01:41,096 --> 01:01:44,395
I mean,
I think our hats are off to...

1263
01:01:44,766 --> 01:01:47,735
...our actors on this.
- Oh, yeah.

1264
01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:51,300
Yeah, we put Shia
through the ringer on this.

1265
01:01:52,974 --> 01:01:55,340
But he committed totally.

1266
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:58,479
Well, every session we'd come in,
we probably had a new version of it.

1267
01:01:58,646 --> 01:02:02,605
And they'd keep asking,
"What was wrong with the old one?"

1268
01:02:03,218 --> 01:02:05,186
- They were troupers.
- Yeah.

1269
01:02:05,353 --> 01:02:08,618
But kudos to Shia, man.

1270
01:02:08,957 --> 01:02:11,619
He can handle both, you know,
the comedy and the drama.

1271
01:02:11,793 --> 01:02:14,990
- He can handle anything.
- Just anything we threw at him.

1272
01:02:15,163 --> 01:02:17,654
He's been an amazing guy.

1273
01:02:17,832 --> 01:02:20,995
So this is Cody's lowest moment
in the movie.

1274
01:02:21,169 --> 01:02:23,069
In case you hadn't noticed.

1275
01:02:24,272 --> 01:02:27,139
Well, you struggle with that.
It has to be somewhere in here...

1276
01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:28,707
...but you're not exactly sure.

1277
01:02:28,877 --> 01:02:32,040
Yeah, you question, when to...
When to do an interview...

1278
01:02:32,213 --> 01:02:36,149
...and when just to let the moments
play out without the interview.

1279
01:02:36,317 --> 01:02:40,276
But we really felt
we needed to remind people...

1280
01:02:40,455 --> 01:02:42,320
...that he's are not just there
to win a trophy.

1281
01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:45,118
That there's
something deeper going on.

1282
01:02:45,293 --> 01:02:47,955
What he's really missing is a dad.

1283
01:02:48,129 --> 01:02:52,691
And what was a joke in the one
of the first sequences of the movie...

1284
01:02:52,867 --> 01:02:54,926
...ends up being,
as we kind of knew it...

1285
01:02:55,103 --> 01:02:59,631
...then really, just a core emotion
for this guy.

1286
01:02:59,808 --> 01:03:02,606
I think Cody's really been looking
for a chicken all his life...

1287
01:03:02,777 --> 01:03:04,608
...more than a dad.

1288
01:03:04,779 --> 01:03:05,905
Like many of us.

1289
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,980
- Great.
- Yeah, I've been looking.

1290
01:03:08,149 --> 01:03:11,141
- I'm still looking.
- How's lunch coming?

1291
01:03:16,291 --> 01:03:18,759
We won't ask how far the beach is.

1292
01:03:18,927 --> 01:03:21,555
Of course, it's right there.

1293
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:25,456
The jungle set and the beach set were
two completely different models...

1294
01:03:25,633 --> 01:03:26,861
...and there was no way to...

1295
01:03:27,035 --> 01:03:29,526
We couldn't move
the camera around to show...

1296
01:03:29,704 --> 01:03:30,966
Show that the beach was close.

1297
01:03:32,907 --> 01:03:35,307
Now, this whole competition day
was inspired by a location...

1298
01:03:36,644 --> 01:03:39,442
...up in Northern California
called Maverick's.

1299
01:03:39,614 --> 01:03:41,775
Where Cody got his last name,
right?

1300
01:03:41,950 --> 01:03:46,080
Yup, we were... It was that...
That documentary we watched...

1301
01:03:46,254 --> 01:03:48,154
- <i>Condition Black.</i>
- <i>Condition Black,</i> yeah.

1302
01:03:48,323 --> 01:03:52,089
Surfers going out in Hawaii
after a hurricane or...

1303
01:03:52,260 --> 01:03:53,693
They were gonna cancel it, right?

1304
01:03:53,862 --> 01:03:55,591
And the promoter wanted
to keep doing it.

1305
01:03:55,763 --> 01:03:57,628
Yeah, that was back in '74.

1306
01:03:57,799 --> 01:03:59,960
The promoter pushed the surfers out
against their will...

1307
01:04:00,134 --> 01:04:04,195
...because he had a big, live broadcast
all set up to go.

1308
01:04:04,372 --> 01:04:07,102
That's right.
Didn't wanna have it cancelled.

1309
01:04:07,275 --> 01:04:09,641
So Reggie was inspired by that.

1310
01:04:09,811 --> 01:04:13,474
And if he's watching right now,
we apologize.

1311
01:04:14,449 --> 01:04:16,576
We hope you learned your lesson.

1312
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:19,817
Without you, we'd never have been
able to get story point.

1313
01:04:19,988 --> 01:04:21,319
So thanks.

1314
01:04:23,324 --> 01:04:26,760
I'm trying to think of all
the incarnations of this scene.

1315
01:04:27,061 --> 01:04:28,528
- I couldn't tell you.
- The whole...

1316
01:04:28,696 --> 01:04:30,891
Yeah, the fight Reggie and Lani
had about...

1317
01:04:31,065 --> 01:04:33,795
...whether the contest
would proceed or not.

1318
01:04:33,968 --> 01:04:36,835
That's right. Man, I remember
this used to be like...

1319
01:04:37,005 --> 01:04:40,202
...15 minutes longer
to set up the contest rules and...

1320
01:04:40,375 --> 01:04:43,208
Oh, we had the rules
and the scoreboards and all that.

1321
01:04:43,378 --> 01:04:45,505
And we realize that...

1322
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,043
...you folks, out there don't really need
all that information.

1323
01:04:49,217 --> 01:04:50,343
You already know this stuff.

1324
01:04:50,852 --> 01:04:52,410
If a surfer falls, you probably lost.

1325
01:04:52,587 --> 01:04:54,452
If he stands up on the board,
rides it, he'll win.

1326
01:04:54,622 --> 01:04:56,920
Those were our rules,
we decided.

1327
01:04:57,091 --> 01:04:59,059
That's all people really care about.

1328
01:04:59,227 --> 01:05:02,128
Now, this scene kind of
really happened.

1329
01:05:02,764 --> 01:05:05,198
- With our animators...
- Surf day.

1330
01:05:05,366 --> 01:05:07,197
Surf day out at Zuma Beach.

1331
01:05:07,368 --> 01:05:09,893
Not quite that size a wave.

1332
01:05:10,071 --> 01:05:11,299
Watching 40 or 50 people...

1333
01:05:11,472 --> 01:05:12,905
...taking the same wave.

1334
01:05:13,074 --> 01:05:15,042
Wiping out all at the same time.

1335
01:05:15,877 --> 01:05:17,640
Hey, you guys came up with this.

1336
01:05:17,812 --> 01:05:20,781
- Little flashbacks, they're great.
- Flashbacks, great.

1337
01:05:20,949 --> 01:05:22,507
Just needed to get inside his head.

1338
01:05:23,818 --> 01:05:26,309
Yeah, you were doing something
unimportant...

1339
01:05:26,487 --> 01:05:29,513
...like you were having a baby
at that point, I think, and...

1340
01:05:29,691 --> 01:05:33,889
Not me, I won't take credit.

1341
01:05:35,530 --> 01:05:37,555
Great shot here.

1342
01:05:37,799 --> 01:05:40,825
- I love this.
- Not sure if he's gonna make it or not.

1343
01:05:43,905 --> 01:05:45,429
I love the soundtrack.

1344
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,371
It was a huge moment for Cody...

1345
01:05:47,542 --> 01:05:50,705
...and we had to watch the music
still swell but we didn't get too big...

1346
01:05:50,878 --> 01:05:55,747
...because it's not the climax
of the whole sequence.

1347
01:05:57,919 --> 01:06:00,080
- There he is.
- That was a late addition.

1348
01:06:00,254 --> 01:06:03,348
Oh, we struggled. Should we bring
him back, should we not.

1349
01:06:03,524 --> 01:06:07,517
Really hats off to Ash
on that one, we...

1350
01:06:08,329 --> 01:06:09,762
We weren't sure.

1351
01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:12,024
We kept thinking we could
bring him back at the shrine.

1352
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,363
But it's nice to bring him back earlier.

1353
01:06:16,104 --> 01:06:18,038
We used to have a really extended...

1354
01:06:18,206 --> 01:06:20,333
- We showed everybody...
- Two minutes of...

1355
01:06:20,508 --> 01:06:22,271
- rising up through the ranks.
It's called that, right?

1356
01:06:22,443 --> 01:06:24,308
- Rising through the ranks?
- Yeah.

1357
01:06:24,479 --> 01:06:25,503
Oh, nobody care.

1358
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,477
I just told you what you already knew
was gonna happen.

1359
01:06:27,649 --> 01:06:28,911
Exactly.

1360
01:06:32,654 --> 01:06:34,986
- Joe was enjoying everything.
- We knew from the beginning...

1361
01:06:35,156 --> 01:06:37,420
...we wanted Joe to win the contest.
- From the beginning.

1362
01:06:37,592 --> 01:06:39,321
Just didn't know how
it was gonna happen.

1363
01:06:39,494 --> 01:06:42,622
Joe's gotta win. Joe's the guy
who doesn't care about it.

1364
01:06:44,032 --> 01:06:47,058
As his character developed,
it made more sense though.

1365
01:06:47,235 --> 01:06:50,329
I love Chicken Joe's surfing style
and that scene too.

1366
01:06:50,505 --> 01:06:55,101
It's like holding on to the rails
with his talons.

1367
01:06:57,779 --> 01:07:01,215
- Joe, typical Joe.
- Yup.

1368
01:07:03,918 --> 01:07:05,818
Again this is all improvved, right?

1369
01:07:05,987 --> 01:07:10,083
Yeah, although they were
recorded separately, the kids, were.

1370
01:07:10,258 --> 01:07:14,354
Their agents and managers
would not let them work together.

1371
01:07:14,529 --> 01:07:16,963
So we had to record them
separately.

1372
01:07:17,999 --> 01:07:19,728
And the hiccup was real too.

1373
01:07:19,901 --> 01:07:24,531
The hiccup... I think this is when
Jeff brought the DAT recorder...

1374
01:07:24,706 --> 01:07:26,606
...back in the first day.

1375
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:31,301
And his son was just hiccupping,
and we go, "We gotta have that."

1376
01:07:31,479 --> 01:07:35,575
This was a late little addition, too,
but it's a nice touch of Lani.

1377
01:07:37,018 --> 01:07:42,581
Instead of just supporting Cody,
actually hurt by the whole thing.

1378
01:07:43,591 --> 01:07:48,790
That he would choose
to compete over Lani and Z.

1379
01:07:51,999 --> 01:07:54,866
Well, I like that story point,
it just holds...

1380
01:07:55,036 --> 01:07:55,103
...that energy back
for the end of the story too when...

1381
01:07:55,103 --> 01:07:57,628
...that energy back
for the end of the story too when...

1382
01:07:57,805 --> 01:08:01,070
...everybody realizes
that Cody's triumphed.

1383
01:08:02,243 --> 01:08:03,437
I love that kind of decision.

1384
01:08:03,611 --> 01:08:05,203
One thing we never got
to make a point of...

1385
01:08:05,379 --> 01:08:08,974
...was that surf board of Joe's,
it's an ear of corn.

1386
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:11,948
Some bit of old wood
that fell of a barn somewhere...

1387
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,452
...and turned it into this corn board.

1388
01:08:14,655 --> 01:08:18,716
Remember there was a long dialogue
scene with Cody and Joe here?

1389
01:08:18,893 --> 01:08:21,191
Where Joe is talking about
the meaning of life.

1390
01:08:21,362 --> 01:08:23,353
It got a little preachy.

1391
01:08:23,531 --> 01:08:25,465
Yeah, it got a lot preachy.

1392
01:08:25,633 --> 01:08:28,261
Much better for Joe to be
talking about kittens in the cloud.

1393
01:08:28,436 --> 01:08:29,767
Yeah.

1394
01:08:30,037 --> 01:08:32,562
A reminder of Z.

1395
01:08:33,908 --> 01:08:38,004
That medallion came in
real useful.

1396
01:08:38,179 --> 01:08:40,704
It wasn't planned
that way, originally.

1397
01:08:43,985 --> 01:08:48,422
This used to go by so quickly
that... A big moment...

1398
01:08:48,589 --> 01:08:50,887
- Tank wiping out, yeah.
- Weren't you guys saying:

1399
01:08:51,058 --> 01:08:54,994
"I wish we could just replay it."
And we said, "We can, it's SPEN."

1400
01:08:55,429 --> 01:08:56,828
"It's animation. It's SPEN.

1401
01:08:56,998 --> 01:09:00,365
- We can do it."
- So here you go. So we did slow mo.

1402
01:09:00,902 --> 01:09:02,699
So anybody that missed
what's happening...

1403
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:05,839
...we not only show them
we have Sal tell you.

1404
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:09,273
But the energy that Sal
brings to this when you hear it.

1405
01:09:09,443 --> 01:09:10,740
It's great.

1406
01:09:10,912 --> 01:09:13,574
Well, Sal did a lot of improv.
We just showed this to him.

1407
01:09:13,748 --> 01:09:16,012
We showed him the scene
and he just did a few takes.

1408
01:09:16,184 --> 01:09:17,845
As if he was commentating
on a live event.

1409
01:09:18,019 --> 01:09:19,008
Doing it live.

1410
01:09:21,022 --> 01:09:23,684
And we hoped that the audience
would forget about Tank...

1411
01:09:23,858 --> 01:09:26,292
...and think that maybe...

1412
01:09:26,460 --> 01:09:29,122
...you know, you misdirect to think...
Make everybody think...

1413
01:09:29,664 --> 01:09:32,963
The last wave is gonna be about Cody
having to ride against his best friend.

1414
01:09:33,134 --> 01:09:35,830
- Right.
- And we were struggling...

1415
01:09:36,003 --> 01:09:38,062
...with all this in editorial.

1416
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,298
Well, we struggled every day
in editorial.

1417
01:09:40,474 --> 01:09:45,571
And lvan said, "You know what?"
We wanted Tank to come back into it.

1418
01:09:45,746 --> 01:09:49,273
And lvan said, "Well, there's a
really tough move called the Airdrop...

1419
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:55,286
...where a surfer comes off the top
of a wave and drops straight down."

1420
01:09:55,823 --> 01:09:58,417
And then that spurred all
this, coming up.

1421
01:09:58,593 --> 01:10:01,926
Yeah, that was the signature sound
of the tube again.

1422
01:10:02,096 --> 01:10:05,190
So Cody's about to get tubed.

1423
01:10:05,533 --> 01:10:07,831
He has a choice to make.

1424
01:10:08,369 --> 01:10:10,064
Here he comes.

1425
01:10:11,172 --> 01:10:12,161
Joe's unfazed.

1426
01:10:12,340 --> 01:10:14,865
Even then, yeah, Joe doesn't go,
"Hey, wait."

1427
01:10:15,042 --> 01:10:17,476
He just... He enjoys it.

1428
01:10:18,312 --> 01:10:21,406
Of course, Cody's
gonna do the right thing.

1429
01:10:24,051 --> 01:10:26,315
Boneyards was there from
the beginning, wasn't it?

1430
01:10:26,487 --> 01:10:28,978
Yeah, we had that.

1431
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:31,353
It was gonna be our climax.

1432
01:10:31,525 --> 01:10:34,392
We had that thing where
Cody went back and saved Tank and...

1433
01:10:34,896 --> 01:10:36,557
Right.

1434
01:10:36,898 --> 01:10:39,833
But they were taking
Lani's job away from her.

1435
01:10:40,001 --> 01:10:43,095
It was getting convoluted so we said,
"Well, we gotta get Cody to Z.

1436
01:10:43,271 --> 01:10:45,296
That's where the story
picks up again."

1437
01:10:45,773 --> 01:10:49,209
We made some tough trims
in here that was really...

1438
01:10:49,377 --> 01:10:51,368
We'd animated some of them.
It was beautiful.

1439
01:10:51,545 --> 01:10:55,072
That wave... That wave
is just staggering there.

1440
01:10:55,249 --> 01:10:58,150
- This whole Boneyard sequence.
- Just incredible.

1441
01:10:58,319 --> 01:11:01,049
And the mist that these guys
are put in there and...

1442
01:11:01,222 --> 01:11:04,555
I love these shots in here.
All the...

1443
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:10,019
Yeah, Mychael Danna incorporated
some Hawaiian drums...

1444
01:11:10,197 --> 01:11:13,689
...into the score here,
especially coming up right here.

1445
01:11:13,868 --> 01:11:15,733
I just love this part.

1446
01:11:15,903 --> 01:11:17,268
Now, that was...

1447
01:11:17,438 --> 01:11:19,872
We saw something like that
on some documentary stuff.

1448
01:11:20,041 --> 01:11:22,373
It was a guy on a jet-ski
getting pushed up onto the rocks.

1449
01:11:22,543 --> 01:11:23,942
- Yeah.
- Trapped.

1450
01:11:24,111 --> 01:11:25,976
In, like, this area,
they couldn't get to him.

1451
01:11:28,382 --> 01:11:31,146
We poured over this moment
for hours...

1452
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:33,412
...to get this last...

1453
01:11:33,587 --> 01:11:36,317
- Days, months.
- Weeks, months.

1454
01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:40,790
- Maybe you hours.
- It all blurs together now.

1455
01:11:42,563 --> 01:11:46,431
This is where we talked about
the X again so we'd play it off again.

1456
01:11:47,601 --> 01:11:49,569
Third X.

1457
01:11:51,739 --> 01:11:53,036
And Cody having to let go.

1458
01:11:53,207 --> 01:11:54,731
- Oh yeah, the third X.
- Stop fighting.

1459
01:11:54,909 --> 01:11:57,469
Fighting life, fighting everything.

1460
01:11:59,213 --> 01:12:01,511
This really does work
if you're in a situation like this.

1461
01:12:01,682 --> 01:12:05,140
- We tested it out.
- Well, we put Chris in...

1462
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:08,117
- Yeah, he tested it out for us.
- Well, I only needed...

1463
01:12:08,289 --> 01:12:10,883
I only need one leg to get around.

1464
01:12:15,763 --> 01:12:18,357
"Is he dead? Are they dead?"

1465
01:12:20,234 --> 01:12:21,792
Where's Cody?

1466
01:12:22,236 --> 01:12:24,966
Lani is an incredibly powerful
penguin.

1467
01:12:25,139 --> 01:12:29,075
The way she can maneuver
something like that.

1468
01:12:30,077 --> 01:12:33,535
And the Reggie character
that really cares.

1469
01:12:34,048 --> 01:12:36,744
There's more of Reggie
we had in the movie at one point.

1470
01:12:36,917 --> 01:12:39,579
- Just couldn't fit it all in.
- Yeah.

1471
01:12:42,423 --> 01:12:43,754
Love this scene.

1472
01:12:43,924 --> 01:12:48,691
Z hasn't yet decided
to go back on the beach.

1473
01:12:48,863 --> 01:12:54,392
But here he kind of admits he lost
and Cody lost and it's no big deal.

1474
01:12:54,568 --> 01:12:58,299
In fact, we had another take for Cody
where he was really down about it.

1475
01:12:58,472 --> 01:13:00,064
He said, "I lost."

1476
01:13:00,641 --> 01:13:03,269
And then you found
another one, of course, that...

1477
01:13:03,444 --> 01:13:06,436
...wasn't so...
- He's just kind of tossed it aside.

1478
01:13:06,647 --> 01:13:08,274
That's right.

1479
01:13:08,649 --> 01:13:11,243
It's a great way
of bonding two guys...

1480
01:13:11,419 --> 01:13:13,319
...who have gone through
the same thing in life.

1481
01:13:13,487 --> 01:13:16,012
Realize it's not that important.

1482
01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:19,717
It's so subtle.
It's not like you would normally do.

1483
01:13:19,894 --> 01:13:24,854
You really push for maybe
very sentimental lines...

1484
01:13:25,032 --> 01:13:27,728
...but this is very natural.

1485
01:13:27,902 --> 01:13:31,065
Every time I've been on a surf board
in that situation...

1486
01:13:31,238 --> 01:13:33,866
- "Let's go, loser."
- Yeah.

1487
01:13:36,077 --> 01:13:38,204
"Don't touch his stuff,"
if you guys remember the line.

1488
01:13:38,379 --> 01:13:39,368
Oh, yeah.

1489
01:13:39,547 --> 01:13:43,244
When Z says,
"Don't touch my stuff, man."

1490
01:13:45,419 --> 01:13:48,013
- Okay, Doris and Sheila.
- There's Doris and Sheila right there.

1491
01:13:48,189 --> 01:13:50,316
- Yeah, Z's ex-girlfriends.
- Mindy Sterling.

1492
01:13:50,491 --> 01:13:52,322
- Jane Krakowski.
- We had to cut them out.

1493
01:13:52,493 --> 01:13:55,894
They gave such wonderful, wonderful,
wonderful stuff.

1494
01:13:56,063 --> 01:13:57,530
But those are not their voices.

1495
01:13:57,698 --> 01:14:00,462
Yeah, because they were trimmed out
of the movie.

1496
01:14:00,634 --> 01:14:05,094
We wanna save them
for another movie.

1497
01:14:05,539 --> 01:14:10,442
- I got lost for a little while.
But that kid there, Cody...

1498
01:14:10,611 --> 01:14:13,637
Okay, I'm a sucker,
but I love this moment here.

1499
01:14:14,515 --> 01:14:18,849
Yeah, we'd knew that Z's appearance
would overshadow Cody.

1500
01:14:19,019 --> 01:14:23,285
And that it would be great if Z could
take the spotlight back over to Cody.

1501
01:14:23,457 --> 01:14:26,654
- And then Mario takes it back.
- Yeah.

1502
01:14:29,296 --> 01:14:33,630
The animator did this little
touch here, Z...

1503
01:14:33,801 --> 01:14:38,135
...rubbing Cody's head just like he did
back in Shiverpool, 10 years ago.

1504
01:14:38,305 --> 01:14:40,273
Nice touch.

1505
01:14:40,608 --> 01:14:42,701
The one piece... The guy's
we never got together...

1506
01:14:42,877 --> 01:14:45,209
...were James and Jeff.
- Oh, Yeah.

1507
01:14:45,379 --> 01:14:47,904
They never got to do
their scenes together.

1508
01:14:48,716 --> 01:14:52,584
The idea of dropping the boards
was that they were Reggie boards...

1509
01:14:52,753 --> 01:14:54,880
...and everyone was kind of...

1510
01:14:55,055 --> 01:14:56,852
- Done with Reggie.
- Yup.

1511
01:14:57,858 --> 01:14:59,519
Notice the fluorescent colors...

1512
01:14:59,693 --> 01:15:02,992
...as compared to the natural colors
of the other boards.

1513
01:15:03,898 --> 01:15:07,390
We used to have an extra long
wrap-up, then we just said, "Well..."

1514
01:15:08,202 --> 01:15:11,660
These two scenes with Kelly and Rob
were animated without their voices.

1515
01:15:11,839 --> 01:15:13,466
We didn't...
We couldn't get ahold of them.

1516
01:15:13,641 --> 01:15:17,634
They were always off in
the other side of the world...

1517
01:15:17,811 --> 01:15:20,075
...surfing some great breaks.

1518
01:15:20,247 --> 01:15:24,115
And we finally caught up with them
over the Internet basically...

1519
01:15:24,285 --> 01:15:27,584
...and recorded in Hawaii and...
- Very last day of production.

1520
01:15:27,755 --> 01:15:28,915
Last day.

1521
01:15:29,089 --> 01:15:34,493
Yeah, within an hour their lines,
recorded in Australia and Hawaii...

1522
01:15:34,662 --> 01:15:36,186
...were cut into the movie.

1523
01:15:37,631 --> 01:15:39,792
That's a nice touch.

1524
01:15:40,367 --> 01:15:42,494
- Look, that hair's not real.
- Hey.

1525
01:15:42,670 --> 01:15:45,002
Now, he looks like a sea otter.

1526
01:15:46,874 --> 01:15:50,503
Sponsors of the competition
were Reggie Belafonte's...

1527
01:15:50,678 --> 01:15:52,111
- Hair gel.
- Wood wax and hair gel.

1528
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:53,837
That's right.

1529
01:15:54,381 --> 01:15:58,181
We had really wonderful help
in this movie.

1530
01:15:58,352 --> 01:16:00,411
There was a really...

1531
01:16:00,854 --> 01:16:04,381
It's quite a vision to carry out
for the second movie at a new studio.

1532
01:16:04,558 --> 01:16:06,458
But there were great people...

1533
01:16:06,627 --> 01:16:09,755
...we were lucky enough
to help us along the way.

1534
01:16:09,930 --> 01:16:11,921
- Incredible, incredible artists.
- Yeah.

1535
01:16:12,099 --> 01:16:13,794
Incredible voice talent, everyone.

1536
01:16:16,570 --> 01:16:19,300
We talked about this
being the ultimate...

1537
01:16:19,473 --> 01:16:21,839
It's Z's beach
but it's never looked better.

1538
01:16:22,009 --> 01:16:24,534
And everyone's back on,
it's full of life again.

1539
01:16:25,846 --> 01:16:28,679
How did they get that thing
out there, that pot?

1540
01:16:29,383 --> 01:16:31,010
We always ask that.

1541
01:16:31,185 --> 01:16:35,588
With that... Who better to put, you know,
on the board than Mikey at the end.

1542
01:16:35,756 --> 01:16:37,781
We got Kelly and Rob surfing.

1543
01:16:38,692 --> 01:16:42,093
- Look at the lighting on this.
- Yeah.

1544
01:16:42,997 --> 01:16:45,693
Cody used to get tubed
a lot earlier in the movie.

1545
01:16:45,866 --> 01:16:50,098
And it seem like such a spiritual
thing that it's something that...

1546
01:16:50,271 --> 01:16:52,262
...maybe you shouldn't earn
until right at the end.

1547
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,671
- Right.
- And he also went in by himself.

1548
01:16:56,844 --> 01:16:59,438
And then Chris said, "No.
That's how he started the movie.

1549
01:16:59,613 --> 01:17:01,877
He's alone, so why don't we get him...

1550
01:17:02,249 --> 01:17:04,080
...in there with Z?"
- He's never had the dad.

1551
01:17:04,251 --> 01:17:08,779
We thought, "Oh, come on, we gotta...
The two of them together, finally."

1552
01:17:08,956 --> 01:17:11,083
Kelly Slater said after seeing
the movie...

1553
01:17:11,258 --> 01:17:13,249
...that there were various
other times in the movie...

1554
01:17:13,427 --> 01:17:16,021
...he wanted us to go into the tube
and see inside there.

1555
01:17:16,196 --> 01:17:19,927
He was just, like, really eager to
see that and then he realized...

1556
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:25,060
...at the end, to hold off and to... To get
the experience of being in the tube.

1557
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:28,333
He was happy, relieved.

1558
01:17:29,576 --> 01:17:33,410
A ring of fire there
with the golden light around there.

1559
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:35,377
That's wonderful.

1560
01:17:35,549 --> 01:17:38,347
- Gives me goose bumps.
- Incredible.

1561
01:17:39,019 --> 01:17:40,816
Love it. Oh, but it's not over yet.

1562
01:17:40,988 --> 01:17:43,752
No, we're gonna have a really
long extended "Where are they now?"

1563
01:17:43,924 --> 01:17:45,687
And we're gonna check
with all the characters.

1564
01:17:45,859 --> 01:17:48,225
- Oh, that's right.
- But they were all kind of wrapped up.

1565
01:17:48,395 --> 01:17:51,922
- Yeah, except for these two.
- Yup.

1566
01:17:53,767 --> 01:17:58,363
We needed... We had a lot of feedback
on what happened to Mom and Glen.

1567
01:17:58,539 --> 01:18:00,905
- Particularly Mom.
- Yeah.

1568
01:18:01,075 --> 01:18:04,010
There are suggestions
that they show up for the competition...

1569
01:18:04,178 --> 01:18:07,079
...and we just didn't want that
so this was...

1570
01:18:07,581 --> 01:18:11,984
And that Mom has a change of heart
right here.

1571
01:18:12,953 --> 01:18:16,411
- But not Glen.
- Never Glen.

1572
01:18:17,091 --> 01:18:21,391
So Mom's supporting Cody,
Glen never.

1573
01:18:21,562 --> 01:18:23,621
We tried a version
where Mom was a little more...

1574
01:18:23,797 --> 01:18:25,662
- Yeah, just like Glen.
- She's like...

1575
01:18:25,833 --> 01:18:27,596
- She didn't...
- "What do you mean he didn't win?

1576
01:18:27,768 --> 01:18:29,599
Why are you doing this?
You're embarrassing us?

1577
01:18:29,770 --> 01:18:31,601
- Get out of here," so...
- Yeah.

1578
01:18:31,772 --> 01:18:34,900
And then we went...
Others went, "Wait a minute."

1579
01:18:35,075 --> 01:18:38,567
They wanted to see Mom
change a bit.

1580
01:18:38,946 --> 01:18:39,935
- And so...
- She does.

1581
01:18:40,114 --> 01:18:42,981
We went... Dana was right down
the hall, we recorded her.

1582
01:18:43,150 --> 01:18:46,984
And then we went through
the transcript of Brian Posehn...

1583
01:18:47,154 --> 01:18:48,985
...and found lines that worked,
you know.

1584
01:18:49,156 --> 01:18:51,420
That was the value of these transcripts
we had.

1585
01:18:51,592 --> 01:18:54,493
- Yes.
- Hours and hours of material that...

1586
01:18:54,661 --> 01:18:57,528
There's always a little nugget
that was right for a moment.

1587
01:18:57,698 --> 01:18:59,563
- Right.
- Lf you looked hard enough.

1588
01:18:59,733 --> 01:19:03,692
So those two did not record
those scenes together.

1589
01:19:05,806 --> 01:19:08,434
The fact that Cody's mom
comes back...

1590
01:19:08,609 --> 01:19:11,339
...and understands that
something good happened...

1591
01:19:11,512 --> 01:19:15,414
...this, I think...
Satisfied a lot of folks.

1592
01:19:15,582 --> 01:19:19,313
We also...
The scene that's at the very end...

1593
01:19:20,087 --> 01:19:23,818
...with Glen, was pushed up here
when we thought:

1594
01:19:23,991 --> 01:19:26,221
"You know, let's just leave it
with those two."

1595
01:19:26,393 --> 01:19:29,157
And it was such a great out,
with, "This interview's over."

1596
01:19:29,329 --> 01:19:31,354
But the scene
was already animated...

1597
01:19:31,532 --> 01:19:33,261
...I don't know if it was all lit yet.

1598
01:19:33,434 --> 01:19:36,426
But it was such a great scene and we
said, "We gotta put it somewhere."

1599
01:19:36,603 --> 01:19:38,628
So we decided to put it
at the very end.

1600
01:19:38,806 --> 01:19:43,641
So those are the people that stay
to the bitter end...

1601
01:19:43,811 --> 01:19:45,506
...get a little treat.

1602
01:19:48,515 --> 01:19:51,143
So yeah, it's a fun movie to do and...

1603
01:19:51,318 --> 01:19:56,085
It's a nice way to spend a few years
on the beach, in the water.

1604
01:19:56,256 --> 01:19:58,019
It's fantastic.

1605
01:19:59,226 --> 01:20:01,558
So it came out well.

1606
01:20:01,728 --> 01:20:03,855
- This is actually very fun. It's great.
- Yeah.

1607
01:20:04,031 --> 01:20:08,593
I haven't seen the movie in a while
and it's, you know, it's cool.

1608
01:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,964
In a week.
Haven't seen the movie in a week.

1609
01:20:11,138 --> 01:20:12,127
That's a while.

1610
01:20:12,306 --> 01:20:15,969
I was watching it
probably five times a day, you know.

1611
01:20:16,143 --> 01:20:18,441
- So...
- You know what, these movies...

1612
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:21,410
...these kind of movies,
they come along so rarely...

1613
01:20:21,582 --> 01:20:26,519
...and I just wanna say,
it's great working with you guys.

1614
01:20:26,687 --> 01:20:27,984
- Likewise.
- Where are the tissues?

1615
01:20:28,155 --> 01:20:31,283
And I'm looking up all the names
in the credits here and just...

1616
01:20:31,458 --> 01:20:34,427
- It's an incredible team.
- Yup.

1617
01:20:34,661 --> 01:20:37,129
- Couldn't have hoped for better.
- Very lucky, really.

1618
01:20:37,631 --> 01:20:41,260
And I think everybody
had a really good time on this.

1619
01:20:41,869 --> 01:20:43,427
Hope you guys
had a good time listening.

1620
01:20:43,604 --> 01:20:47,973
- Yeah, thank you.
- Hope... A little insight to the movie.

1621
01:20:48,141 --> 01:20:51,907
Or at least we hope we helped you
take a nap if you were sleepy.

1622
01:20:52,079 --> 01:20:56,072
Maybe you're asleep right now.
We can make subliminal suggestions.

1623
01:20:56,383 --> 01:20:58,874
Buy more DVD's...

1624
01:20:59,086 --> 01:21:01,987
...or Blu-ray.

1625
01:21:03,624 --> 01:21:04,648
Thanks for listening, guys.

1626
01:21:04,825 --> 01:21:06,087
- Appreciate it.
- Thank you, guys.

1627
01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:11,357
Thanks for getting this little movie
for your home theater.

1628
01:21:11,765 --> 01:21:14,427
Get out there.
Get out there and surf.

1629
01:21:14,601 --> 01:21:17,229
- What do you doing watching TV?
- And if you live in Indiana...

1630
01:21:17,404 --> 01:21:21,170
...the lakes are going off today.

1631
01:21:21,341 --> 01:21:23,969
If you need a river, you can dam
the river then surf that.

1632
01:21:24,144 --> 01:21:25,475
Do you wanna follow a tanker?

1633
01:21:25,646 --> 01:21:28,206
Oil tankers are going down in
the gulf right now.

1634
01:21:28,382 --> 01:21:30,475
- Yeah.
- Pretty good ride.

1635
01:21:30,651 --> 01:21:32,118
And there's always snowboarding.

1636
01:21:32,286 --> 01:21:34,151
Hey, that's a thought.

1637
01:21:34,321 --> 01:21:35,879
Shakabrah.

1638
01:21:36,056 --> 01:21:38,752
- Over and out.
- See you, dudes.

1639
01:24:59,826 --> 01:25:02,226
Remember when we were talking
about you leaving? That was great.

1640
01:25:02,395 --> 01:25:04,022
Remember when
you were gonna go?

1641
01:25:04,197 --> 01:25:06,222
- <i>We were gonna</i> go...
- You should still go.

1642
01:25:06,466 --> 01:25:07,524
<i>It's technical equipment.</i>

1643
01:25:07,701 --> 01:25:11,694
I know what I'm doing. I can unplug
one of your little Hollywood devices.

1644
01:25:12,205 --> 01:25:14,503
The lighting thing,
whatever you call that...

1645
01:25:14,674 --> 01:25:16,539
...and then the microphone thing.

1646
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:18,041
Go back to Hollywood.

1647
01:25:18,211 --> 01:25:19,701
Cody would never do this.