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For the last couple of years

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I've gotten very busy on the off season.

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Mainly, because early in my career...

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I had those rough years in Buffalo.

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I sort of told myself then

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I would, uh, put my energies
in something that was gonna

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sustain me and last.

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I knew then that I would
have trouble adjusting

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to not being a football player.

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So, I said,

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"Hey, I better start
preparing myself for... for...

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for, you know... now.

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I wanna tell you that over the years

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I've heard your applause,
and I appreciated your cheers.

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And I want you to know

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that I already know it's
what I'm gonna miss most.

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Thank you all, very much.

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Growing up in Brentwood was
really a wonderful experience.

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It's very quiet.

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It's very affluent.

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Very safe.

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Very white.

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Burglaries were very rare.

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Violent crime almost nonexistent.

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You could leave your door unlocked.

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Never have to worry about anything.

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I graduated the academy in 1975.

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And then transferred to West L.A. 1978-79.

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West L.A., the whole division,
Bel Air, Brentwood, all...

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it's loaded with stars.

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And I'd sit back and go,

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"Man, am I really getting
paid for doing this?"

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When I first got there,
O.J. had just moved

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from around Mulholland over to Rockingham.

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O.J. Simpson living in
Brentwood was really an anomaly.

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He'd be one of maybe three black people

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in the entire community.

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Los Angeles is unlike other places.

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If you're a celebrity, you have no color.

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People enjoy having you
in their neighborhood.

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Especially if you're a celebrity like O.J.

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where everyone's husband
worshipped him as a sports hero

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and couldn't wait to shake hands.

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Once I found out he was
living on Rockingham,

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I decided I'd go by there,
you know, and let him know...

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"Hey, you know? O.J., I'm here."

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This is where I work.

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O.J. was great.

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He'd always referred to the
LAPD as "the boys." You know?

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"How's crime today?"

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"Hey, Shipp, what's
going on in my area, man?"

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"Is you keeping the peace?"

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You know, stuff like that?

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And I'd be like, "Hey,
man, everything's good."

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70-80 percent of the people
in the city of Los Angeles,

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were thinking LAPD does a great
job, we don't have crime here.

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They thought out in the
Valley or West Los Angeles,

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"Hey, man, they're great."
They smile. They wave.

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They're always around when you need them.

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Well, that wasn't how other parts
of the city were being treated.

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On January 3rd, 1979,

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two members of the Los
Angeles Police Department

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shot and killed Eulia Love at her home,

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in a dispute over $22.09 utility bill.

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She died on her front lawn

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before the eyes of her own children.

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There is no single event that
had a more profound impact

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in LAPD history up to that point and time

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than the shooting of Eulia May Love.

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This is where Mrs. Eulia Love stood
the day the shooting took place.

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There was an officer
here, an officer there.

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She held a knife in her
hand, there was a scuffle,

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the knife was knocked out of her hand,

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she reached for it, and as she threw it,

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the officers opened fire.

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This was a big deal.

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This is a woman who's had a tough time.

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And she was desperate.

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So, there was a lot of
empathy going out to her

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from the community.

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Once again, we have a member
of the black community...

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dead...

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under circumstances that are
highly questionable at best.

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It has been determined that the evidence

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does not warrant the
filing of criminal charges.

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This was a justifiable homicide,

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uh, committed by the officers
in their own self-defense.

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As far as LAPD was concerned,
it was just an event.

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And everybody was supposed to accept it.

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This was on the lips and minds
of everybody in the community.

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The people gonna get justice,
and it's gonna be in the street.

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It didn't help that
you had a police chief,

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who behaved poorly,

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and, in many ways, irresponsibly.

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And I've commented on the media
squeezing out the last, uh...

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tear of emotion in this situation,

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where they talk about a $22 gas bill.

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It doesn't make any
difference, but it was, uh...

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a $69 gas bill.

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Gates was Gates.

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He's going to be fully
supportive of his officers.

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I guess they don't think I
have any sympathy for anyone,

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other than police officers,
and that's simply not true.

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I have great empathy and sympathy
for Eulia Love and her family.

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Deeply sorry that it
happened, but it did happen.

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I...

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was a big fan of Daryl...

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Francis Gates.

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Gates introduced the SWAT
model of law enforcement,

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introduced the D.A.R.E. program
to all of law enforcement.

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So he was an innovator.

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But he was also a controversial guy.

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We have officers out there doing the job.

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Attempting to make good judgment
based on the information they have,

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protecting themselves and protecting

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the people of the city of Los Angeles,

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that we will go to hell for.

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He loved LAPD. He loved his officers.

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And there were times that I believe
that his love for his officers...

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and the law enforcement mission...

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conflicted.

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O.J. Simpson and Elizabeth Montgomery

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are two police detectives
who have a problem.

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They're falling in love, and
it's breaking all the rules.

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But you are a married man,

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and your conduct is
supposed to be exemplary.

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Would it make any difference
if I was a white cop?

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It's a bittersweet story
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their emotions and their actions

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in "A Killing Affair".

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Sunday at 3:00 on channel 9.

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Life for a black person...

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in a way, unfortunately,

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is different than for white people.

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And especially for black
people who attain great success.

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Is there pressure from your community

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for you to really walk
the straight and narrow?

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I know that you are currently
dating a white woman.

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I wouldn't be asking this question
if we were living in different times,

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but we are, and there seems to be...

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this sort of dichotomy here.

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How do you answer it?

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Well, I rebel against images because...

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then, um...

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you know, people tend to
expect things from you.

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I... I think I created
an image by being me.

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When I get into these arguments with...

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people of the bla...
people of my community,

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the black community,

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I say, "Hey, I... I've
accepted Jesus Christ"

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and, uh, I try to do unto others as, uh...

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you know, I would have them do unto me.

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And after that, hey, my life is mine.

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And I... I do what is morally
right and acceptable to me.

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I am not prejudiced in any form.

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Obviously, I got a white girlfriend.

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I admired his celebrity status.

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We thought he had
accomplished quite a bit.

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To move from an athlete...

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to... a position of celebrity,

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and loved by all the
people, not just black folk.

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I invited O.J. here, early on in the '80s.

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He didn't come as often
as I thought he should.

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But he did come to church.

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I think he was very in tune with...

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who his mother wanted him to be.

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She wanted him to be
honest, to be religious.

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Just to rise above a lot of the things

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that he saw growing up.

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His mother was a staunch Christian.

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And she had embedded within
him the tenants of Jesus Christ.

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I would talk to him about
having achieved money and fame.

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But all that came from God.

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And there are times when you should...

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respond to how good God has been to you.

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Now, some days, depending on his mood,

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he would agree.

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But he was not out there...

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publically...

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fighting for African-Americans.

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I think each person
who is in the limelight

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has an obligation...

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to make things better for
the last, the lost, the least,

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the left out, and the looked over.

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And I thought he should have done more.

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If we, as Black people, do not
take on the responsibility...

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to do something for ourselves,

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we really should be scorned
in the eyes of the world.

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In my circles, there
were not a lot of people

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who were preoccupying
themselves with getting to O.J.

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or believing that O.J.
could be turned around,

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or someday was gonna come to his senses

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and embrace all of the things
that have the values that we had,

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in terms of really, really

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doing something demonstrative
for the Black community.

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O.J. was just one of those things

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that you just kind of dismissed,
"Oh, that brother's a lost cause."

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His voice was mute...

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on any issues that related to
Black people and our salvation,

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police brutality, all of those things.

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He was just a non-entity.

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I don't know that he felt
that he was sacrificing

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what other people thought he was.

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But you're sacrificing who you are...

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who you are raised to be.

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How does one sustain that
over that period of time?

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How does one bend one's soul
to that degree of denial?

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It's easy to tell while
laid out on the ground,

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while he's bleeding to death.

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Is that what makes you happy?

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Did you hear? Did you
see what was going on?

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Did he see everything
happening in South Central?

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Yeah.

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Did he want to take that home with him?

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Did he want that to be who he was?

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Who he identified with? No.

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He stayed in Brentwood.

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When you live in South L.A.,

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I mean you live here,

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this is where you breath,

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this is where you occupy your space,

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I'm not sure if, you know,
a lot of people even know

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where Brentwood is.

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That's just the reality...

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of Black America and White America.

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Two totally... separate worlds.

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He's somebody who
learned how to live with,

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be totally accepted by a white world.

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Underneath that,

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he learned all of the
indignities of the Black world.

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Although it's impossible to believe
that he's that brilliant an actor.

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I think he was always kind of
on when he was in a White world,

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and he weren't when he
was in a Black world.

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Which makes him the right
soul for Coalhouse Walker.

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He very much wanted to be cast
in E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime".

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And he worked hard on
trying to get that part.

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He saw the part as being

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something that he could go into
a new dimension as an actor.

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Let's go to your acting
career for a moment.

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Why did you want the role
of Coalhouse Walker Jr.?

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Well, first of all, it, um...

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it was the only part thus
far that I've ever actively

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went after and didn't get.

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So, I'd consider it my
only failure in film.

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Thus far.

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Good afternoon.

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I wonder if you might be able to help me.

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Uh...

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Uh... what do you want?

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Well, I'm looking for a young
woman of color called Sarah.

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Uh... who are you?

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00:14:13,773 --> 00:14:14,838
Oh, I'm sorry.

253
00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,005
My name is Coalhouse Walker Jr.

254
00:14:17,007 --> 00:14:20,574
When I read the book, I could
identify with this guy...

255
00:14:20,576 --> 00:14:23,842
so much... He was a
Black man in... at a time

256
00:14:23,844 --> 00:14:26,577
when you were supposed
to know you were Black.

257
00:14:26,579 --> 00:14:28,443
You were supposed to know you had a place.

258
00:14:28,445 --> 00:14:30,511
Would you please wait around the back?

259
00:14:30,513 --> 00:14:32,345
I was raised in the sports world

260
00:14:32,347 --> 00:14:35,613
where you're only, uh,
judged by your abilities...

261
00:14:35,615 --> 00:14:37,347
and, uh, you know, what you have to give.

262
00:14:40,651 --> 00:14:41,950
Who is Coalhouse?

263
00:14:41,952 --> 00:14:44,151
Well, he's a guy who created himself.

264
00:14:44,153 --> 00:14:46,818
And destroyed himself... ultimately.

265
00:14:48,588 --> 00:14:52,588
He was a guy among other things
who was very prideful and suffered.

266
00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:54,188
Suffered for his pride.

267
00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:56,156
Mr. Walker, let me give you some advice.

268
00:14:57,625 --> 00:14:59,524
You spend the money on your wedding.

269
00:14:59,526 --> 00:15:03,926
Build yourself a home and a family
where you can find some comfort.

270
00:15:03,928 --> 00:15:07,461
And just forget that some damn
white man caused you offence.

271
00:15:07,463 --> 00:15:09,661
I can understand exactly what he felt.

272
00:15:09,663 --> 00:15:10,696
When he walked in a room,

273
00:15:10,698 --> 00:15:13,363
he gave no credence to
the fact he was Black

274
00:15:13,365 --> 00:15:15,764
and he wasn't supposed to say
things or be treated any differently.

275
00:15:15,766 --> 00:15:17,131
And, uh...

276
00:15:17,133 --> 00:15:18,699
Uh.. that's the way I've
tried to look at my life.

277
00:15:18,701 --> 00:15:20,766
So, I felt I was the
right person for that role.

278
00:15:20,768 --> 00:15:23,502
I felt that I was
today's Coalhouse Walker.

279
00:15:23,504 --> 00:15:25,402
"Just forget it"? Is that it?

280
00:15:27,505 --> 00:15:29,504
I've spent my whole life forgetting.

281
00:15:29,506 --> 00:15:33,606
You're a young man. You
better start learning now.

282
00:15:33,608 --> 00:15:34,608
Learning what?

283
00:15:35,175 --> 00:15:36,374
How to be a nigger?

284
00:15:39,544 --> 00:15:41,676
You know, there was some
tragedy in your life...

285
00:15:41,678 --> 00:15:44,477
in the last 10 years. You lost a child.

286
00:15:44,479 --> 00:15:46,578
I wanna talk about how it changed you.

287
00:15:53,850 --> 00:15:56,049
The baby drowned in a swimming pool.

288
00:15:56,051 --> 00:15:57,517
On Rockingham, there.

289
00:15:59,152 --> 00:16:00,151
He was away.

290
00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:02,352
You know, he was always gone.

291
00:16:02,354 --> 00:16:03,552
Four, set!

292
00:16:04,355 --> 00:16:06,053
I don't know how much it changed me.

293
00:16:06,055 --> 00:16:08,522
I've always tried to live
my life to the fullest.

294
00:16:08,524 --> 00:16:09,455
And, uh...

295
00:16:09,457 --> 00:16:10,455
I used to be so busy.

296
00:16:10,457 --> 00:16:11,856
And I was on the road so much,

297
00:16:11,858 --> 00:16:14,790
that in a sense it
partially cost me a marriage.

298
00:16:14,792 --> 00:16:16,791
When I lost my daughter...

299
00:16:16,793 --> 00:16:17,592
I was gone.

300
00:16:17,594 --> 00:16:20,994
When my first daughter
was born, I was gone.

301
00:16:25,163 --> 00:16:27,496
When you lose a child, it's very hard.

302
00:16:27,498 --> 00:16:31,532
Three weeks before Aaren
drowned, my son drowned...

303
00:16:31,534 --> 00:16:35,799
in a pool, that Boys Club
in San Leandro, California.

304
00:16:35,801 --> 00:16:38,434
So, the tragedy affected us both.

305
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:43,436
It still affects me. So, I
know... how it affects him.

306
00:16:46,373 --> 00:16:49,039
He didn't bring it up, and
we didn't talk much about it.

307
00:16:49,041 --> 00:16:50,040
Hey, O.J.!

308
00:16:51,075 --> 00:16:54,041
I think it's the single most
horrible thing in the world.

309
00:16:58,479 --> 00:17:00,511
I think what you learn in the streets,

310
00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,546
is how to bury things.

311
00:17:04,381 --> 00:17:05,780
And he blamed Marguerite.

312
00:17:12,351 --> 00:17:16,518
He got rid of that memory
when he got rid of that wife.

313
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,585
He just compartmentalized it.

314
00:17:19,354 --> 00:17:20,986
And got 'em out.

315
00:17:22,989 --> 00:17:26,556
If anything, I made up my
mind that I would be around.

316
00:17:26,558 --> 00:17:27,556
And, uh...

317
00:17:27,558 --> 00:17:29,690
it's nice to be loved by everybody.

318
00:17:29,692 --> 00:17:31,758
But there's some people
that love you a little more.

319
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,991
So, I guess if anything,

320
00:17:32,993 --> 00:17:35,159
I... I just want to
be a little more loving

321
00:17:35,161 --> 00:17:37,527
and be there a little more
to the people that have, uh,

322
00:17:37,529 --> 00:17:39,762
have chosen to share their lives with me.

323
00:17:42,231 --> 00:17:43,463
And now by the...

324
00:17:44,499 --> 00:17:45,730
authority committed unto me

325
00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,932
as a minister in the
church of Jesus Christ

326
00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:50,667
and according to the laws
in the State of California,

327
00:17:50,669 --> 00:17:53,334
it gives me great
delight, O.J. and Nicole,

328
00:17:53,336 --> 00:17:55,936
to pronounce you husband and wife.

329
00:18:09,877 --> 00:18:11,609
We love "Juice" like my brother.

330
00:18:11,611 --> 00:18:14,410
I'm thrilled he's my
partner, and we're just...

331
00:18:14,412 --> 00:18:17,445
totally knocked out that
he finally took the step...

332
00:18:20,281 --> 00:18:21,913
They had a great wedding.

333
00:18:23,215 --> 00:18:25,081
Of course, they had amazing music.

334
00:18:25,083 --> 00:18:27,749
And it was all, you
know, Christal champagne,

335
00:18:27,751 --> 00:18:28,683
all you could drink.

336
00:18:28,685 --> 00:18:30,450
Where are the drugs? No, I'm just kidding.

337
00:18:31,353 --> 00:18:32,451
It was a great party.

338
00:18:34,854 --> 00:18:38,187
And they made a really
strong, gorgeous couple.

339
00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:44,123
I just felt that they
were the ideal couple.

340
00:18:44,125 --> 00:18:46,924
Because it seems like
to me, from what I saw,

341
00:18:46,926 --> 00:18:50,426
it seemed like they just
had so much fun all the time.

342
00:18:50,428 --> 00:18:52,260
I'm married! I don't believe it!

343
00:18:53,263 --> 00:18:55,128
I'm married! I really don't believe it.

344
00:18:55,863 --> 00:19:00,497
Nicole was funny, and
she was fun to be around.

345
00:19:00,499 --> 00:19:02,431
She was a very good friend.

346
00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:04,099
When Nicole came into my life at...

347
00:19:04,101 --> 00:19:06,433
what for any athlete
is very difficult time,

348
00:19:06,435 --> 00:19:08,067
it was at the end of my career,

349
00:19:08,069 --> 00:19:10,768
I was also going through a
divorce at the time and, uh...

350
00:19:10,770 --> 00:19:14,203
All my life, I wanted to be a father.

351
00:19:14,205 --> 00:19:16,371
I never really thought
about being a husband.

352
00:19:16,373 --> 00:19:17,612
And I thought I had given up...

353
00:19:18,307 --> 00:19:20,939
the opportunity to watch my kids grow

354
00:19:20,941 --> 00:19:23,940
until you came into my life
and made this house a home,

355
00:19:23,942 --> 00:19:25,241
brought my kids in.

356
00:19:25,243 --> 00:19:27,076
You brought love into my house.

357
00:19:32,913 --> 00:19:35,212
He was really proud of her.

358
00:19:35,214 --> 00:19:38,413
And she had definitely taken over.

359
00:19:38,415 --> 00:19:40,848
I mean, she was running
the show at Rockingham.

360
00:19:43,385 --> 00:19:45,583
Rockingham, it was his Graceland.

361
00:19:45,585 --> 00:19:47,884
It was all of their Graceland.

362
00:19:47,886 --> 00:19:50,086
We never said, "I'll
meet you at O.J.'s house."

363
00:19:50,088 --> 00:19:52,253
It was always, "I'll
see you at Rockingham."

364
00:19:52,255 --> 00:19:54,221
It was what brought all of us together.

365
00:19:56,056 --> 00:19:57,723
It was a special place.

366
00:19:57,725 --> 00:20:00,156
I mean, you never knew
who was gonna be there.

367
00:20:00,158 --> 00:20:03,992
He gravitated toward celebrities.

368
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:04,726
In any field.

369
00:20:04,728 --> 00:20:09,294
And that's the glue that
bonded him to Los Angeles,

370
00:20:09,296 --> 00:20:12,362
and also made Rockingham that castle.

371
00:20:13,598 --> 00:20:16,797
You'd have the greatest
athletes in the world show up.

372
00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:19,099
The most interesting
politicians, you know?

373
00:20:19,101 --> 00:20:20,599
The entertainment world.

374
00:20:20,601 --> 00:20:22,834
And everybody always had a wonderful time

375
00:20:22,836 --> 00:20:24,301
because it was "The Juice".

376
00:20:25,303 --> 00:20:28,569
I've always had a large
what I call "family"...

377
00:20:28,571 --> 00:20:30,470
A large circle of friends,

378
00:20:30,472 --> 00:20:32,738
and you need 'em more,
I guess, in your life.

379
00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:35,439
At my house, I mean,
I have to be successful

380
00:20:35,441 --> 00:20:37,773
to pay for the soft drinks and the beer

381
00:20:37,775 --> 00:20:40,008
that the guys drink at
the house on the weekends.

382
00:20:43,344 --> 00:20:46,844
He flew a flag at Rockingham every day.

383
00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:49,412
He loved America. He loved
the red, white, and blue.

384
00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:52,613
He loved that feeling that you get,
you know, on the Fourth of July,

385
00:20:52,615 --> 00:20:54,481
and see jets fly over.

386
00:20:54,483 --> 00:20:56,649
During the Olympics,
when he carried the torch.

387
00:20:56,651 --> 00:20:57,849
That was a big thing to him.

388
00:20:59,351 --> 00:21:03,785
That was one of the things we
talked about for years after.

389
00:21:03,787 --> 00:21:06,185
How perfect the world was then.

390
00:21:07,755 --> 00:21:09,654
I want to say to, uh...

391
00:21:09,656 --> 00:21:11,088
the Hall of Fame members here,

392
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:13,422
I mean, as a kid, I watched these guys

393
00:21:13,424 --> 00:21:15,456
and, well, I must have done something good

394
00:21:15,458 --> 00:21:17,858
or something right to be here,
and I just want you to know

395
00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:19,925
that I'll never let you guys down, man.

396
00:21:19,927 --> 00:21:21,760
I'll live up to the honor
of being in this Hall

397
00:21:21,762 --> 00:21:22,860
and being on your team.

398
00:21:25,163 --> 00:21:26,161
Thank you very much.

399
00:21:30,298 --> 00:21:32,531
The most unique aspect of O.J. Simpson

400
00:21:32,533 --> 00:21:34,132
is that you're one of the few people

401
00:21:34,134 --> 00:21:36,966
who've not only been
successful in athletics,

402
00:21:36,968 --> 00:21:41,669
but that success has really
carried over to life after football.

403
00:21:44,171 --> 00:21:46,337
Well, it's real exciting
for me to be back here.

404
00:21:46,339 --> 00:21:48,304
You know, on the field
where I had so many thrills,

405
00:21:48,306 --> 00:21:50,938
and to experience these
Buffalo Bills fans,

406
00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:53,373
and, believe me, Howard,
they're in rare form tonight.

407
00:21:54,342 --> 00:21:57,342
Well, he certainly tried
to be a commentator.

408
00:21:57,344 --> 00:21:59,776
Peyton following Matt Suhey.

409
00:21:59,778 --> 00:22:03,644
It's a testament to walk...
Walter's conditioning.

410
00:22:03,646 --> 00:22:05,365
This guy works out
harder than anybody in...

411
00:22:07,515 --> 00:22:12,015
He very much was involved
in corporate America

412
00:22:12,017 --> 00:22:13,549
and being on boards.

413
00:22:14,484 --> 00:22:18,217
I think he was trying, very intelligently,

414
00:22:18,219 --> 00:22:21,719
to parley his fame into wealth.

415
00:22:23,689 --> 00:22:26,721
By the '80s, O.J.
really was a businessman.

416
00:22:28,724 --> 00:22:32,223
His new friends were all super wealthy,

417
00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:34,258
powerful white men.

418
00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:38,326
And I think really the
reason he surrounded himself

419
00:22:38,328 --> 00:22:40,794
with all these big,
successful entrepreneurs

420
00:22:40,796 --> 00:22:42,761
is because he saw himself as one, too.

421
00:22:45,331 --> 00:22:48,330
I've always been, sort
of, an inquisitive person.

422
00:22:48,332 --> 00:22:50,699
And I have friends who do
a lot of different things.

423
00:22:50,701 --> 00:22:53,533
And I've made it a point
to find out what the people

424
00:22:53,535 --> 00:22:54,600
around me were doing.

425
00:22:57,236 --> 00:22:59,302
He called me a lot.

426
00:22:59,304 --> 00:23:03,871
"Now, Frank, I have this
opportunity for HoneyBaked Hams."

427
00:23:03,873 --> 00:23:07,239
Or "Frank, this friend of mine
is doing some storage things

428
00:23:07,241 --> 00:23:08,306
in California."

429
00:23:09,342 --> 00:23:11,474
I didn't always know those answers.

430
00:23:11,476 --> 00:23:13,175
But I guess I enjoyed the fact

431
00:23:13,177 --> 00:23:15,376
that he trusted me enough to do that.

432
00:23:17,412 --> 00:23:20,378
I introduced him to the business world.

433
00:23:25,383 --> 00:23:27,082
I took him places...

434
00:23:27,084 --> 00:23:31,183
where I think very few
Black men had ever been.

435
00:23:31,185 --> 00:23:32,750
The Pine Valley Golf Club.

436
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,952
The number one club in America.

437
00:23:39,189 --> 00:23:41,088
I got him into Arcola.

438
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:43,255
He was the first black member of the club.

439
00:23:43,257 --> 00:23:45,322
Oh, yeah, by a long shot.

440
00:23:46,225 --> 00:23:49,024
This one time, he brought Sidney Poitier.

441
00:23:49,026 --> 00:23:53,693
And, of course, the whole club was
circling around the two of them.

442
00:23:53,695 --> 00:23:57,228
Even the bigots thought that was terrific.

443
00:23:58,263 --> 00:23:59,263
They loved him.

444
00:24:00,031 --> 00:24:01,463
Because he just fit in.

445
00:24:03,399 --> 00:24:06,099
He could schmooze around
and get ingratiated,

446
00:24:06,101 --> 00:24:07,699
'cause he was "The Juice".

447
00:24:07,701 --> 00:24:11,568
Street-smart, this man was an Einstein.

448
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:16,269
He could cunningly and
calculatingly figure out exactly

449
00:24:16,271 --> 00:24:19,038
what these white people
were thinking about,

450
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,338
but he was also that
way with Black people.

451
00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:25,841
It was almost magnetic,
they were just drawn to it.

452
00:24:25,843 --> 00:24:27,208
And I don't care who was there,

453
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:29,289
when he got to the room,
it was, "The Juice is here."

454
00:24:30,077 --> 00:24:33,111
Here's the man whose
smile is more dazzling

455
00:24:33,113 --> 00:24:35,178
than all his golden awards.

456
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:38,913
Sportsman, actor, all around wonderful

457
00:24:38,915 --> 00:24:41,080
Mr. O.J. Simpson!

458
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:46,249
I always told him he had
delusions of grandeur.

459
00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:48,717
He thought he could do
certain things in business

460
00:24:48,719 --> 00:24:50,184
that he wasn't capable of.

461
00:24:50,186 --> 00:24:51,518
Three!

462
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,954
One day he was gonna run
Paramount or 20th Century,

463
00:24:54,956 --> 00:24:55,787
Warner Brothers...

464
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:58,788
Now, I mean, he believed things like that.

465
00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:01,056
Ladies and gentlemen,
another winning performance

466
00:25:01,058 --> 00:25:03,524
from Mr. O.J. Simpson!

467
00:25:04,626 --> 00:25:06,191
There's something deep-seated...

468
00:25:06,193 --> 00:25:08,192
that I think a lot of people like myself

469
00:25:08,194 --> 00:25:11,260
have to face up to about what created

470
00:25:11,262 --> 00:25:12,895
this complex character.

471
00:25:12,897 --> 00:25:15,796
It wasn't just him, it was part society.

472
00:25:20,933 --> 00:25:23,099
We were looking for a celebrity...

473
00:25:23,101 --> 00:25:26,868
and I... I don't think we
wanted an all-white cast anymore,

474
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:29,602
as we did for the Police Squad TV show.

475
00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:34,604
This was something that, you
know, kinda looked better...

476
00:25:34,606 --> 00:25:35,606
for us.

477
00:25:38,074 --> 00:25:41,774
He was still in the public
eye, but yet he was economical,

478
00:25:41,776 --> 00:25:44,542
because I don't think he
was in demand for movies.

479
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:47,143
Police! Throw down your guns!

480
00:25:47,145 --> 00:25:50,111
O.J. was fine for Naked Gun.

481
00:25:50,113 --> 00:25:51,745
There was nobody better.

482
00:25:57,383 --> 00:25:59,048
Ahh!

483
00:26:01,152 --> 00:26:02,151
Oh, no!

484
00:26:03,819 --> 00:26:06,085
Naked Gun surprised me...

485
00:26:08,255 --> 00:26:09,620
How funny he was.

486
00:26:10,055 --> 00:26:11,120
He's a funny man.

487
00:26:11,122 --> 00:26:14,054
I mean, he was always a very funny man.

488
00:26:14,056 --> 00:26:16,956
And he was always a selflessly funny man.

489
00:26:16,958 --> 00:26:18,123
- Nordberg!
- Hiya, buddy!

490
00:26:18,125 --> 00:26:19,724
Hey!

491
00:26:19,726 --> 00:26:21,992
The doc says I should be on my
feet and as good as new in a week!

492
00:26:21,994 --> 00:26:25,393
- And back on the force.
- Nordberg, that's wonderful!

493
00:26:26,729 --> 00:26:28,095
Whoa!

494
00:26:28,097 --> 00:26:30,729
Oh, Frank! Everyone should
have a friend like you!

495
00:26:36,167 --> 00:26:38,733
I used to take a lot of
cops over to O.J.'s house,

496
00:26:38,735 --> 00:26:42,268
and I would never tell them
who we were going to meet.

497
00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:45,002
And I just loved looking at the expression

498
00:26:45,004 --> 00:26:47,069
on my partner's face

499
00:26:47,071 --> 00:26:49,837
when they looked and saw
O.J. opening the door,

500
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,338
and it was just like looking at...

501
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:53,672
You know, 'cause some of these
guys, you know, macho cops.

502
00:26:53,674 --> 00:26:56,174
"Hey," you know, "I'm LAPD".

503
00:26:56,176 --> 00:27:02,076
And you could see them melt
like little kids around this guy.

504
00:27:02,078 --> 00:27:05,778
Everybody loved O.J.
Simpson, all the cops.

505
00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:08,112
If you asked him for an autograph,
you asked him for whatever,

506
00:27:08,114 --> 00:27:10,914
I mean, he was just really,
like, your best friend.

507
00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:17,183
Now, let's take a look
at today's black culture

508
00:27:17,185 --> 00:27:18,550
in the city of Los Angeles.

509
00:27:19,653 --> 00:27:22,018
The most important point
that should be considered

510
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,019
in a law-enforcement
setting involving blacks

511
00:27:24,021 --> 00:27:26,187
is the matter of respect.

512
00:27:27,023 --> 00:27:29,855
Everyone should be treated
in a respectful manner.

513
00:27:29,857 --> 00:27:32,323
Okay, 4-23, you see that, uh, male black.

514
00:27:32,325 --> 00:27:33,757
He's walking on the north
side of the street there

515
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,191
on your right side.

516
00:27:35,193 --> 00:27:36,912
Slow down. That's one
of the suspects there.

517
00:27:40,161 --> 00:27:42,627
People who have been abused by the police

518
00:27:42,629 --> 00:27:44,161
have no regard for them.

519
00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:47,162
They don't believe that the police comes

520
00:27:47,164 --> 00:27:50,531
to protect them, comes to serve them.

521
00:27:50,533 --> 00:27:52,698
That would be an
unfortunate error in judgment

522
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:55,667
for you to conclude that all
persons of a particular group

523
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:59,268
are similar to the few you have
contact while you are working.

524
00:27:59,270 --> 00:28:01,769
We're sorry if, you
know, it's our job too.

525
00:28:01,771 --> 00:28:04,003
that... that we've had to do this.

526
00:28:04,005 --> 00:28:05,170
We just can't let you go.

527
00:28:06,006 --> 00:28:07,371
Look how I look.

528
00:28:07,373 --> 00:28:11,307
I'm light, bright, but
damn sure not white. Okay?

529
00:28:11,309 --> 00:28:15,108
But the reality is, when
I'm stopped by the police,

530
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:16,629
you know, they treat me like a nigger.

531
00:28:17,511 --> 00:28:21,978
Okay, let's roll, and
let's be careful out there.

532
00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:26,013
In 1978, Los Angeles police
chief Daryl Gates apologized

533
00:28:26,015 --> 00:28:29,548
after saying some Hispanic
officers don't advance in the ranks

534
00:28:29,550 --> 00:28:31,649
because they are, quote, "lazy",

535
00:28:31,651 --> 00:28:33,983
and now an NAACP official

536
00:28:33,985 --> 00:28:35,951
is calling a comment by Chief Gates,

537
00:28:35,953 --> 00:28:38,652
quote, "so horrendous
that it's laughable."

538
00:28:38,654 --> 00:28:41,153
It all started when he first defended

539
00:28:41,155 --> 00:28:42,787
controversial choke holds.

540
00:28:44,157 --> 00:28:46,322
A number of African-American
suspects had died

541
00:28:46,324 --> 00:28:48,790
after being subjected to a choke hold,

542
00:28:48,792 --> 00:28:50,958
and Gates was asked about it,
and he said the problem was

543
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,825
that they didn't respond
the same as normal people.

544
00:28:53,827 --> 00:28:57,727
The chief needs some time off
to remove his foot from his mouth

545
00:28:57,729 --> 00:29:01,562
and LAPD's choke hold from
the necks of black people.

546
00:29:01,564 --> 00:29:03,563
When I started covering
the police department,

547
00:29:03,565 --> 00:29:07,165
you could feel the
residue of that comment.

548
00:29:07,167 --> 00:29:09,365
In fact, police officers
used to refer to the cars,

549
00:29:09,367 --> 00:29:11,666
which normally people
would call black-and-whites,

550
00:29:11,668 --> 00:29:13,147
they called them "black-and-normals".

551
00:29:14,136 --> 00:29:16,969
And they would call them that in
front of a reporter, by the way.

552
00:29:16,971 --> 00:29:20,136
So it's safe to say that
it was a sort of easy,

553
00:29:20,138 --> 00:29:22,037
call it racial
insensitivity, call it racism,

554
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:23,105
within the department.

555
00:29:25,041 --> 00:29:28,941
I moved to LA in 1988.

556
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:33,810
I had a really good friend
who lived there, and she said,

557
00:29:33,812 --> 00:29:37,378
"I have to give you the black
man's guide to survival in LA.

558
00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:40,479
Whatever you do, don't fuck with LAPD."

559
00:29:44,083 --> 00:29:47,249
In Los Angeles it was a day filled
with tension in many communities,

560
00:29:47,251 --> 00:29:49,884
because of the current
wave of gang warfare.

561
00:29:49,886 --> 00:29:51,718
I feel like a prisoner on the streets.

562
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,218
This city has vowed to stop gang violence,

563
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:56,887
but as police hunt the people responsible,

564
00:29:56,889 --> 00:29:59,054
they must follow a trail of bodies.

565
00:29:59,056 --> 00:30:01,022
We're gonna do whatever's necessary,

566
00:30:01,024 --> 00:30:03,422
and I told my people
we're gonna wage a war.

567
00:30:08,027 --> 00:30:09,525
Operation Hammer,

568
00:30:09,527 --> 00:30:13,927
that was the belief that
we overwhelm the community

569
00:30:13,929 --> 00:30:18,263
with warrants where we believe
that we had violent criminals,

570
00:30:18,265 --> 00:30:21,931
we could rid the problem.

571
00:30:21,933 --> 00:30:23,365
Ladies, down on the ground!

572
00:30:23,367 --> 00:30:25,266
Put your hands down, kneel over there!

573
00:30:25,268 --> 00:30:27,433
Over the past week or so, Chief Gates,

574
00:30:27,435 --> 00:30:28,867
how many arrests have you made?

575
00:30:28,869 --> 00:30:33,003
Well, in the last month we've
made, uh, about 3,000 arrests.

576
00:30:33,005 --> 00:30:35,837
Uh, just in the last
weekend we made, uh, 1,400.

577
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:43,540
You just have a culture
of officers who felt that,

578
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,009
uh, the only way the world will survive

579
00:30:46,011 --> 00:30:48,776
is if we neutralize these individuals

580
00:30:48,778 --> 00:30:50,543
as soon as possible.

581
00:30:50,545 --> 00:30:51,544
Hands down, man.

582
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,178
And in the process of doing that,

583
00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:56,647
they debased and demeaned the community.

584
00:31:01,450 --> 00:31:02,449
You understand me?

585
00:31:05,752 --> 00:31:08,084
There was no conversation
with the community about

586
00:31:08,086 --> 00:31:09,852
"How should we deal with this?"

587
00:31:09,854 --> 00:31:12,854
It was just hammer, hammer, hammer.

588
00:31:16,257 --> 00:31:21,057
We have a war. We are
going to be successful.

589
00:31:21,059 --> 00:31:23,358
Whatever it takes, we will do it.

590
00:31:33,531 --> 00:31:36,297
I'd just put the kids into
bed, and the next thing I know,

591
00:31:36,299 --> 00:31:38,231
they just came in with guns and
they were saying, "Get down",

592
00:31:38,233 --> 00:31:40,032
and they grabbed me
by the back of my head,

593
00:31:40,034 --> 00:31:41,199
and he threw me on the floor,

594
00:31:41,201 --> 00:31:43,633
then they kicked me, and
they hit me on my back,

595
00:31:43,635 --> 00:31:45,101
and they said, "Get down, bitch."

596
00:31:45,103 --> 00:31:47,101
And then the kids were just
hollerin' and screamin'.

597
00:31:47,103 --> 00:31:48,036
And the next thing I know

598
00:31:48,038 --> 00:31:49,603
they were just tearing the place up.

599
00:31:50,939 --> 00:31:54,305
1988, 39th and Dalton.

600
00:32:02,744 --> 00:32:04,943
Not the best police practices.

601
00:32:04,945 --> 00:32:08,945
Not the best way to manage
a, uh... a warrant service.

602
00:32:08,947 --> 00:32:11,212
Everything was destroyed as police

603
00:32:11,214 --> 00:32:13,547
batted and rammed their
way from room to room

604
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:15,048
searching for drugs.

605
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:18,316
Much of what they found were
screaming mothers and children.

606
00:32:19,751 --> 00:32:21,450
This is my bedroom over here,

607
00:32:21,452 --> 00:32:24,185
but they even broke all the
mirrors and stuff out of the bed.

608
00:32:26,654 --> 00:32:29,920
They went in and literally
destroyed the apartment

609
00:32:29,922 --> 00:32:34,623
where supposedly a lot of
drug activity was going on.

610
00:32:34,625 --> 00:32:38,491
All this resulted in three quarters
of an ounce of rock cocaine seized

611
00:32:38,493 --> 00:32:40,559
along with six ounces of pot.

612
00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:45,261
You wouldn't go to
Beverly Hills and do that,

613
00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:47,828
even if you thought there
was a... a mafia hangout.

614
00:32:49,898 --> 00:32:51,630
Even if you thought it was legitimate.

615
00:32:52,933 --> 00:32:56,132
I called my insurance, and
I told them what happened.

616
00:32:56,134 --> 00:32:58,833
He said he had never heard
of the police doing this.

617
00:33:00,669 --> 00:33:06,637
When you don't live in the community,
you don't think of 'em as human.

618
00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:08,972
In my wildest dreams,
would have never thought

619
00:33:08,974 --> 00:33:12,640
the police of the city of Los
Angeles would treat someone that way.

620
00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:13,907
They started kicking me.

621
00:33:15,776 --> 00:33:17,241
What they tell ya?

622
00:33:17,243 --> 00:33:18,342
They didn't tell me nothin',

623
00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:19,676
they started kicking me and hitting me

624
00:33:19,678 --> 00:33:20,576
on my ribs and stuff.

625
00:33:20,578 --> 00:33:25,979
Chief Gates, we're proud of you,
We're proud to wear the 'PD blue.

626
00:33:28,015 --> 00:33:31,414
You'd go to the power of LAPD back then.

627
00:33:31,416 --> 00:33:34,882
They pretty much could
do what they wanted to do.

628
00:33:43,421 --> 00:33:44,421
Yeah.

629
00:33:45,923 --> 00:33:48,788
Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson,
and this season on HBO,

630
00:33:48,790 --> 00:33:51,223
I'm gonna be high-stepping
right into your living room.

631
00:33:52,826 --> 00:33:53,986
All right, we'll do it again.

632
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,959
When O.J. was at SC,

633
00:33:56,961 --> 00:34:00,027
in my generation you didn't have
the jerseys you could go buy,

634
00:34:00,029 --> 00:34:02,662
so I would take my T-shirts
and write "Simpson",

635
00:34:02,664 --> 00:34:03,962
and I'd put, you know,

636
00:34:03,964 --> 00:34:07,764
like, you know, his number,
32, and, "Okay, I'm O.J."

637
00:34:07,766 --> 00:34:10,832
Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson,
and this season on HBO,

638
00:34:10,834 --> 00:34:12,766
I'm gonna be high-stepping
right into your living room.

639
00:34:12,768 --> 00:34:15,201
I just thought, "One day,
I wanna meet this guy."

640
00:34:15,203 --> 00:34:16,668
Okay, what's the next one?

641
00:34:17,470 --> 00:34:19,335
And it was through Marcus Allen.

642
00:34:19,337 --> 00:34:21,770
Follow me through Training Camp,
and I guarantee that I'll...

643
00:34:21,772 --> 00:34:23,637
Hey, Juice, I did hear my name.

644
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,171
Hey, man, this is my spot, Marcus.

645
00:34:25,173 --> 00:34:26,292
Well, I've got the ball now.

646
00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:30,474
I'd been marketing Marcus for a few years.

647
00:34:30,476 --> 00:34:31,941
And I told him, uh,

648
00:34:31,943 --> 00:34:34,943
"O.J. ever needs a manager, let me know."

649
00:34:34,945 --> 00:34:37,777
Training Camp is a time
to show what you can do.

650
00:34:37,779 --> 00:34:39,711
It's a time to show off your skills.

651
00:34:40,947 --> 00:34:42,946
You can prove yourself as a man.

652
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:44,880
Blah, blah, blah.

653
00:34:44,882 --> 00:34:47,115
I did public appearances, endorsements,

654
00:34:47,117 --> 00:34:48,215
TV commercials...

655
00:34:48,217 --> 00:34:49,715
... autograph signings,

656
00:34:49,717 --> 00:34:53,384
basically everything
encompassing his image.

657
00:34:53,386 --> 00:34:54,918
This week in Training Camp...

658
00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:57,753
This week in Training Camp...

659
00:34:58,855 --> 00:35:01,821
This week in Training Camp... No.

660
00:35:01,823 --> 00:35:05,656
The big thing that has always
been in everybody's head is image.

661
00:35:05,658 --> 00:35:06,456
Image is everything.

662
00:35:06,458 --> 00:35:12,026
Never do anything that is
going to harm his image.

663
00:35:13,695 --> 00:35:14,659
Thank you guys.

664
00:35:14,661 --> 00:35:16,128
I remember he had a...

665
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:19,362
a little hundred-yard dash
with Marcus Allen one day.

666
00:35:19,364 --> 00:35:22,363
And he had bad knees,
O.J., from all the running.

667
00:35:22,365 --> 00:35:24,898
And he beat fuckin' Marcus.
I couldn't believe it.

668
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:26,198
It's something inside of him.

669
00:35:27,068 --> 00:35:30,367
He wanted to win, no matter what it took.

670
00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:33,301
Chopping through that swing. And look out.

671
00:35:34,104 --> 00:35:38,937
When he first started playing
golf, he violated every rule.

672
00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:42,973
Okay. He's gotta work on
his balance a little bit.

673
00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:45,473
I played with O.J. and this other friend,

674
00:35:45,475 --> 00:35:47,207
Little Joe Kolkowitz.

675
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:51,910
O.J. had the worst form
of anybody on this planet

676
00:35:51,912 --> 00:35:53,411
when he swung a golf club.

677
00:35:55,647 --> 00:35:59,880
One day, on the first tee,
he hits this big drive,

678
00:35:59,882 --> 00:36:02,715
and it hooks into the trees, heavy stuff.

679
00:36:03,984 --> 00:36:06,716
So we go down the fairway,
we're waiting and waiting

680
00:36:06,718 --> 00:36:08,750
'til Joe goes after him.

681
00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:10,885
All of a sudden, he finds his ball

682
00:36:10,887 --> 00:36:12,886
after a place where we probably went over.

683
00:36:15,389 --> 00:36:19,755
He sees the ball sitting on
a tee, and he says to O.J.,

684
00:36:19,757 --> 00:36:21,122
"You can't do this shit, man."

685
00:36:22,592 --> 00:36:24,258
I go, "Jeez, come on."

686
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:28,426
"Do you know what the odds
of the ball landing on a tee

687
00:36:28,428 --> 00:36:30,026
in this area... ?"

688
00:36:30,028 --> 00:36:34,095
He totally was not going to
confess to the whole thing.

689
00:36:35,531 --> 00:36:37,263
He definitely cheated.

690
00:36:37,698 --> 00:36:39,130
Yes. Yes.

691
00:36:40,833 --> 00:36:43,900
What he'd do, he had a ball in his pants,

692
00:36:43,902 --> 00:36:45,600
and he'd drop it out and then,

693
00:36:45,602 --> 00:36:46,700
"Hey, you guys, come on over here."

694
00:36:46,702 --> 00:36:48,301
You know, "Here's my ball."

695
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:51,569
And he did that to the point where finally

696
00:36:51,571 --> 00:36:55,571
a bunch of guys got together,
and they hired a caddy.

697
00:36:55,573 --> 00:36:57,172
We called it The Juice Patrol.

698
00:36:58,774 --> 00:37:01,007
And so he'd follow O.J.
around in another cart,

699
00:37:01,009 --> 00:37:03,575
so he wouldn't cheat.

700
00:37:03,577 --> 00:37:06,776
It was funny. It was, you know,
it was like you couldn't get mad.

701
00:37:06,778 --> 00:37:08,677
It was very hard to get mad at him.

702
00:37:12,381 --> 00:37:15,113
One of the things you pride
yourself in in being a golfer

703
00:37:15,115 --> 00:37:16,447
is you don't cheat,

704
00:37:17,716 --> 00:37:20,415
but people made a joke out of it,

705
00:37:20,417 --> 00:37:23,750
because they so badly
wanted him to understand

706
00:37:23,752 --> 00:37:26,785
the rules and regulations
of this part of society

707
00:37:26,787 --> 00:37:29,252
that didn't tolerate
that type of behavior.

708
00:37:29,254 --> 00:37:32,254
And yet he had that amazing charm

709
00:37:32,256 --> 00:37:35,489
that you'd somehow let him
get away with certain things.

710
00:37:37,292 --> 00:37:39,723
Juice! Juice!

711
00:37:39,725 --> 00:37:41,458
Juice! Juice!

712
00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:43,759
Touchdown!

713
00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:45,726
Whenever you went somewhere with him,

714
00:37:45,728 --> 00:37:47,294
like, doors would just open,

715
00:37:47,296 --> 00:37:50,329
and, you know, people
would pick up checks.

716
00:37:51,465 --> 00:37:53,397
I'd say to him, "Hey, Juice,

717
00:37:53,399 --> 00:37:55,897
how are we going to get in... somewhere?

718
00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:57,399
We don't have any tickets."

719
00:37:57,401 --> 00:37:58,666
He would go like this...

720
00:38:00,802 --> 00:38:02,734
He... That's his ticket.

721
00:38:02,736 --> 00:38:05,035
I think he became entitled.

722
00:38:07,772 --> 00:38:12,772
I certainly felt bedazzled by O.J.
and Nicole and their lifestyle,

723
00:38:12,774 --> 00:38:15,473
and I was very charmed by him,

724
00:38:16,976 --> 00:38:22,776
but I always did sense that
part of it was not sincere.

725
00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:24,977
The other side is my better side, I think.

726
00:38:24,979 --> 00:38:26,211
Turn the other side for me.

727
00:38:26,213 --> 00:38:29,613
And I did feel that he
took advantage of that.

728
00:38:29,615 --> 00:38:35,281
And if you allowed him to, I
think he would, uh, use you.

729
00:38:35,283 --> 00:38:36,323
All right, we're set here.

730
00:38:37,218 --> 00:38:39,217
My kissable lips, ooh.

731
00:38:39,219 --> 00:38:42,252
While he was married, his integrity was...

732
00:38:42,254 --> 00:38:46,787
I mean, uh... not as I would have it.

733
00:38:46,789 --> 00:38:48,020
I will put it that way.

734
00:38:50,157 --> 00:38:53,089
He was an incorrigible womanizer.

735
00:38:53,091 --> 00:38:54,491
He just never stopped.

736
00:38:55,893 --> 00:38:59,659
He cornered me a couple
times and tried to make, uh,

737
00:38:59,661 --> 00:39:04,728
sexual, you know, advance and,
you know, I kind of pushed him off.

738
00:39:06,397 --> 00:39:10,664
I think O.J. felt entitled
to anything O.J. wanted,

739
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:16,399
and I think that he really needed
that adulation from other women.

740
00:39:18,603 --> 00:39:21,802
She knew he had affairs,
and it drove her crazy.

741
00:39:21,804 --> 00:39:23,237
Most of their big fights

742
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,004
were about his affairs with other women.

743
00:39:26,106 --> 00:39:30,640
He went out of his way to
almost rub it in her face.

744
00:39:30,642 --> 00:39:33,774
He'd be in Las Vegas at a
show and be holding hands

745
00:39:33,776 --> 00:39:35,675
with another woman.

746
00:39:35,677 --> 00:39:38,476
She would be watching TV, and, I mean,

747
00:39:38,478 --> 00:39:40,077
I don't know how she put up with it.

748
00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:43,245
He was pretty darn brazen.

749
00:39:44,314 --> 00:39:46,647
I think he even blamed his
affair with Tawny Kitaen

750
00:39:46,649 --> 00:39:49,615
on the fact that Nicole got
fat when she got pregnant.

751
00:39:49,617 --> 00:39:51,282
And he didn't wanna have sex with her.

752
00:39:51,284 --> 00:39:54,583
Something as superficial and cold as that.

753
00:39:55,653 --> 00:39:59,253
¶ ... on the hammock,
take a little swing. ¶

754
00:39:59,255 --> 00:40:01,153
Look! See the trees?

755
00:40:02,623 --> 00:40:06,688
I told him, "Man, you're
breaking the laws of God,

756
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:10,690
and nobody does it with immunity.

757
00:40:11,527 --> 00:40:13,259
You're gonna pay for it, man.

758
00:40:15,262 --> 00:40:19,494
One day everybody's gonna know
everything that you've done, man."

759
00:40:52,011 --> 00:40:54,310
When you hear a call come out,

760
00:40:54,312 --> 00:40:58,312
and the 911 operator puts out on the call

761
00:40:58,314 --> 00:41:02,947
that she can hear the woman
being beaten in the background,

762
00:41:02,949 --> 00:41:04,714
that... that's serious.

763
00:41:08,051 --> 00:41:09,850
When I got there,

764
00:41:09,852 --> 00:41:15,619
I saw an electronic buzzer
system, so I pushed the button.

765
00:41:15,621 --> 00:41:19,321
Almost simultaneously,
a tall, female blonde

766
00:41:19,323 --> 00:41:21,855
came running out of the bushes.

767
00:41:22,891 --> 00:41:26,991
She's wearing nothin'
but a bra and sweatpants,

768
00:41:26,993 --> 00:41:28,225
covered in mud.

769
00:41:28,227 --> 00:41:29,225
And she kept yelling,

770
00:41:29,227 --> 00:41:30,826
"He's gonna kill me! He's gonna kill me!"

771
00:41:32,728 --> 00:41:34,694
When that gate opened, she ran up

772
00:41:34,696 --> 00:41:37,862
and just put her arms
around me and clasped on me.

773
00:41:39,665 --> 00:41:42,064
She was so wet and cold

774
00:41:42,066 --> 00:41:44,566
that you could feel her
shivering to her bone.

775
00:41:45,668 --> 00:41:48,301
And I said, "Well, who's gonna kill you?"

776
00:41:48,303 --> 00:41:49,701
She said, "O.J."

777
00:41:50,503 --> 00:41:53,736
She says, "You guys have been
up here eight times before.

778
00:41:53,738 --> 00:41:56,804
All you do is talk to
him, you never do anything.

779
00:41:56,806 --> 00:41:58,538
He's gonna kill me."

780
00:41:59,574 --> 00:42:01,673
Her face had already swollen.

781
00:42:01,675 --> 00:42:03,740
She actually had an imprint

782
00:42:03,742 --> 00:42:06,641
on one side of her face and her forehead.

783
00:42:06,643 --> 00:42:09,577
So I said, "Do you want him
arrested for beating you?"

784
00:42:09,579 --> 00:42:10,578
She said, "Yes."

785
00:42:12,313 --> 00:42:17,047
About that time, O.J. Simpson
came right up to the fence,

786
00:42:17,049 --> 00:42:18,614
and he started yelling,

787
00:42:19,416 --> 00:42:21,582
"I don't want her in my bed anymore.

788
00:42:21,584 --> 00:42:22,549
I got two other women.

789
00:42:22,551 --> 00:42:24,449
I don't want her in my bed anymore."

790
00:42:26,053 --> 00:42:29,219
He's got a receding hairline,
so you can see his forehead,

791
00:42:29,221 --> 00:42:33,087
and this vein was popping out, pulsating,

792
00:42:33,089 --> 00:42:35,254
and it was right up his forehead.

793
00:42:36,524 --> 00:42:40,523
I told him, "I'm placing you
under arrest for beating your wife.

794
00:42:40,525 --> 00:42:43,992
You're gonna have to go get
dressed so I can take you to jail."

795
00:42:45,494 --> 00:42:49,560
He turned around and went back
in the house to get dressed.

796
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:55,863
Suddenly I saw a Bentley pull
out of the other driveway.

797
00:42:57,266 --> 00:42:59,632
So I said, "Back up. He's
trying to get away in a car."

798
00:43:01,368 --> 00:43:05,567
And we backed out of the driveway,
and I never caught him with that car.

799
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:07,135
I never found him.

800
00:43:12,372 --> 00:43:14,238
Downtown Los Angeles, little ocean haze.

801
00:43:14,241 --> 00:43:17,773
There is no smog today,
everybody's takin' it easy.

802
00:43:17,775 --> 00:43:22,375
Here at the 75th Rose
Bowl game, score 7-3.

803
00:43:22,377 --> 00:43:25,676
1989, Trojans were in the Rose Bowl.

804
00:43:25,678 --> 00:43:28,678
I was privileged enough
to... to have sideline passes

805
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,779
and that was actually the first time
I'd ever been to a Rose Bowl game

806
00:43:31,781 --> 00:43:34,114
on the sidelines, 'cause
when I was a walk-on at USC,

807
00:43:34,116 --> 00:43:35,047
I never got to play.

808
00:43:37,284 --> 00:43:40,516
I was just having the time of my life.

809
00:43:40,518 --> 00:43:43,184
All of a sudden, one of O.J.'s
really, really good friends

810
00:43:43,186 --> 00:43:44,951
came up and tapped me on the shoulder.

811
00:43:44,953 --> 00:43:49,254
He said, "Hey, man, uh, O.J. had
a problem last night, you know,

812
00:43:49,256 --> 00:43:52,722
and, uh, he really needs to talk to you."

813
00:43:55,592 --> 00:43:56,457
It's over.

814
00:44:00,527 --> 00:44:04,060
When I called, he said, "Hey,
man, I had a little riff.

815
00:44:04,062 --> 00:44:05,261
Boys had to come out.

816
00:44:06,063 --> 00:44:07,582
Right now I feel like I'm a fugitive."

817
00:44:08,631 --> 00:44:11,631
And he explained to me
that they had an argument,

818
00:44:11,633 --> 00:44:13,864
and she got real physical with him,

819
00:44:13,866 --> 00:44:16,966
and he had to defend himself
and grab her and hold her...

820
00:44:16,968 --> 00:44:19,300
The way he... he told me
the story, I'm thinkin',

821
00:44:19,302 --> 00:44:22,402
"Hey, man, no big deal. You
know? Um, you didn't hit her.

822
00:44:22,404 --> 00:44:23,969
You know, you said she was aggressive,

823
00:44:23,971 --> 00:44:25,637
and you were trying to stop her from...

824
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,605
from beating you up. Um, no big deal."

825
00:44:29,607 --> 00:44:32,473
And... And when I got to work the
next morning, it was a big deal.

826
00:44:37,477 --> 00:44:41,577
I got a call from downstairs,
"Someone wants to talk to you,"

827
00:44:41,579 --> 00:44:43,645
and there's Nicole in the lobby.

828
00:44:44,613 --> 00:44:46,212
"Hey, Nicole, what's up?"

829
00:44:46,214 --> 00:44:47,779
You know, she... she goes, "Did
you hear about what happened?"

830
00:44:47,781 --> 00:44:49,780
I said, "Yeah, I did hear what happened."

831
00:44:49,782 --> 00:44:51,848
And she told me it wasn't the first time.

832
00:44:53,417 --> 00:44:55,583
Showed me the pictures from the past...

833
00:44:55,585 --> 00:44:58,118
... beatings, and I
looked at those pictures

834
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,351
and my heart just... just, like, dropped.

835
00:45:01,554 --> 00:45:03,953
I was like, "Man, this
guy is a typical batterer."

836
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:11,390
The '89 thing, the way I saw
him act in Hawaii that Christmas

837
00:45:11,392 --> 00:45:12,723
convinced me that, um,

838
00:45:12,725 --> 00:45:15,392
boy, there was something
really, really wrong.

839
00:45:18,061 --> 00:45:22,561
He freaked out about Nicole
sitting their little son

840
00:45:22,563 --> 00:45:27,597
next to a homosexual in
a restaurant they were at.

841
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:28,897
I mean, he just freaked.

842
00:45:30,234 --> 00:45:33,099
And they fought all the way back.

843
00:45:33,101 --> 00:45:38,068
The next day I got a call that, uh,
he freaked out on New Year's Eve,

844
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:40,736
and he beat the hell out of her.

845
00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:43,937
Nicole knew that I used
to teach domestic violence

846
00:45:43,939 --> 00:45:45,458
for the Los Angeles Police Department.

847
00:45:45,774 --> 00:45:47,472
And she asked me,

848
00:45:48,342 --> 00:45:49,507
"O.J.'s dad is gay.

849
00:45:50,575 --> 00:45:54,542
Do you think this is why he beats me?"

850
00:45:56,412 --> 00:45:59,644
And I was like, "I... I,
you know, I don't know,

851
00:46:00,914 --> 00:46:03,313
but a lot of that stuff has
to do with their self-esteem."

852
00:46:08,117 --> 00:46:09,416
O.J. Simpson that night

853
00:46:10,318 --> 00:46:12,350
definitely got preferential treatment.

854
00:46:13,585 --> 00:46:17,752
Had that have been anybody else,
you or me, we'd have gone to jail.

855
00:46:21,156 --> 00:46:22,322
I did place him under arrest.

856
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:25,489
I tried my best, but couldn't get to him.

857
00:46:26,692 --> 00:46:29,425
But when you tell someone
they're under arrest,

858
00:46:29,427 --> 00:46:30,692
they are under arrest.

859
00:46:31,593 --> 00:46:34,260
If he flees, then, he's a fleeing felony.

860
00:46:36,363 --> 00:46:41,997
But the unique thing
about O.J. is it was O.J.

861
00:46:41,999 --> 00:46:45,665
Where can he go? Where can he hide?

862
00:46:47,134 --> 00:46:48,399
Where can he run to...

863
00:46:49,702 --> 00:46:51,567
on the face of this earth?

864
00:46:53,103 --> 00:46:55,002
Where can he go?

865
00:47:39,057 --> 00:47:40,956
Now the story that
might never have surfaced

866
00:47:40,958 --> 00:47:43,223
if someone hadn't picked
up his home video camera.

867
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:49,326
I can remember that moment
like it was yesterday.

868
00:47:49,328 --> 00:47:51,861
I was laying in my bed,
and I called out to my wife.

869
00:47:51,863 --> 00:47:54,395
I said, "You gotta come
see, you can't believe this."

870
00:47:55,964 --> 00:48:00,465
How will the police justify this one?

871
00:48:00,467 --> 00:48:03,265
How will they get out of this one?

872
00:48:04,835 --> 00:48:07,968
Police say the man,
25-year-old Rodney King,

873
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:12,636
was involved in a high-speed
chase, wanted as a parole violator.

874
00:48:12,638 --> 00:48:15,071
The police department says
there will be no comment

875
00:48:15,073 --> 00:48:16,972
until its investigation is complete.

876
00:48:16,974 --> 00:48:19,473
As yet, no charges have been filed.

877
00:48:21,175 --> 00:48:25,342
This is what happens
when you take away a tool

878
00:48:25,344 --> 00:48:28,410
that would have ended this in 10 seconds.

879
00:48:30,747 --> 00:48:31,778
Choke hold.

880
00:48:36,716 --> 00:48:40,282
Look how this thing looks.
You can't justify that.

881
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,485
I was the captain at Watts at the time.

882
00:48:46,487 --> 00:48:47,885
Atten-hut.

883
00:48:47,887 --> 00:48:50,420
The next day, we had a training day.

884
00:48:50,422 --> 00:48:55,322
I remember standing in front of
all of the troops, and I told them,

885
00:48:55,324 --> 00:48:59,557
"The LAPD will never be the same again."

886
00:49:02,427 --> 00:49:03,892
Oh, it was devastating,

887
00:49:03,894 --> 00:49:06,894
because there's gonna be a
belief that if these guys do it,

888
00:49:06,896 --> 00:49:08,661
everybody else does it.

889
00:49:08,663 --> 00:49:11,195
Those guys driving down the street
in the black-and-white do that.

890
00:49:11,197 --> 00:49:12,662
And that's just not the case.

891
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,998
But that visual image,
folks remember that,

892
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,199
and they will take it to their grave.

893
00:49:19,201 --> 00:49:21,401
That home video showing a black motorist

894
00:49:21,403 --> 00:49:23,667
being beaten by a white
Los Angeles policeman

895
00:49:23,669 --> 00:49:26,403
has triggered investigations
now by the FBI,

896
00:49:26,405 --> 00:49:27,703
the district attorney there,

897
00:49:27,705 --> 00:49:29,337
and the police department itself.

898
00:49:29,339 --> 00:49:34,239
The media didn't give
LAPD a break on this one.

899
00:49:34,241 --> 00:49:38,274
They showed that tape
over and over and over.

900
00:49:38,276 --> 00:49:40,275
I mean, it wasn't just in Los Angeles.

901
00:49:40,277 --> 00:49:41,942
It was all over the world.

902
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,078
I was embarrassed for Los Angeles.

903
00:49:49,081 --> 00:49:53,214
The real significance wasn't
what you saw on the tape.

904
00:49:53,216 --> 00:49:55,382
That tape became exhibit one

905
00:49:55,384 --> 00:49:59,917
for every mishandled abuse
and excessive force incident

906
00:49:59,919 --> 00:50:01,918
that anyone had ever experienced.

907
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,452
This is an aberration.

908
00:50:03,454 --> 00:50:05,720
This is something that
should never have happened.

909
00:50:05,722 --> 00:50:09,054
We had in place all of the procedures

910
00:50:09,056 --> 00:50:11,289
that would keep it from happening.

911
00:50:11,291 --> 00:50:14,223
Those procedures fell down
because of human error.

912
00:50:14,225 --> 00:50:17,124
And we will deal with that human error.

913
00:50:17,126 --> 00:50:21,260
I believe things like that
do happen from time to time,

914
00:50:21,262 --> 00:50:22,460
but they are anomalies.

915
00:50:22,462 --> 00:50:25,262
That's not what happens all day, every day

916
00:50:25,264 --> 00:50:27,797
in the thousands of contacts that occur.

917
00:50:27,799 --> 00:50:29,730
I don't believe it. I'll never believe it.

918
00:50:29,732 --> 00:50:32,832
Daryl Gates started out
saying it was an aberration.

919
00:50:34,401 --> 00:50:38,634
And we say, "Darryl, don't
you remember Eulia Love?"

920
00:50:40,703 --> 00:50:44,103
I think the thing that's most
shocking about the King incident

921
00:50:44,105 --> 00:50:45,638
isn't even what happens to King.

922
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:48,639
It's the fact that all those officers

923
00:50:48,641 --> 00:50:51,273
go back to their police
divisions that night,

924
00:50:51,275 --> 00:50:54,375
none of them knowing
that a video tape exists.

925
00:50:54,377 --> 00:50:56,309
They all file their reports

926
00:50:56,311 --> 00:50:59,744
and not one of 'em says, in any document,

927
00:50:59,746 --> 00:51:01,378
that they saw anything go wrong.

928
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:05,712
That suggests to me a culture in which

929
00:51:05,714 --> 00:51:08,381
this wasn't perceived as something wrong.

930
00:51:10,284 --> 00:51:11,615
In Los Angeles today,

931
00:51:11,617 --> 00:51:14,616
four men were arrested,
photographed, and fingerprinted.

932
00:51:14,618 --> 00:51:15,818
They were policemen,

933
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:17,819
charged with assault with a deadly weapon

934
00:51:17,821 --> 00:51:19,985
in the beating of a black motorist.

935
00:51:19,987 --> 00:51:21,253
Named in the indictment:

936
00:51:21,255 --> 00:51:23,420
Officers Laurence Powell, Ted Briseno

937
00:51:23,422 --> 00:51:24,555
and Timothy Wind

938
00:51:24,557 --> 00:51:27,456
and their supervising
sergeant, Stacey Koon.

939
00:51:27,458 --> 00:51:31,157
The FBI will investigate
whether the federal civil rights

940
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,158
of the victim, Rodney
King, have been violated.

941
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,127
A story is not a story
unless there's conflict.

942
00:51:37,129 --> 00:51:39,295
Do you really wanna say this is a felon

943
00:51:39,297 --> 00:51:41,328
speeding on the freeway
under the influence

944
00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:43,663
of a hallucinogenic and/or alcohol,

945
00:51:43,665 --> 00:51:45,464
or do you wanna say he's a "motorist",

946
00:51:45,466 --> 00:51:47,965
and he was stopped by these racist cops?

947
00:51:47,967 --> 00:51:49,486
How do you know these cops are racist?

948
00:51:50,135 --> 00:51:51,333
They are not racist.

949
00:51:52,268 --> 00:51:55,168
The furor is only growing
with the revelations

950
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:58,736
of police communications over
their in-car computer terminals.

951
00:51:58,738 --> 00:52:01,137
An earlier message from
the Powell-Wind unit

952
00:52:01,139 --> 00:52:04,705
referred to a previous call as
"'right out of Gorillas in the Mist."

953
00:52:06,641 --> 00:52:08,974
Has there been times
that we've been brutal,

954
00:52:08,976 --> 00:52:10,842
uh, used excessive force?

955
00:52:10,844 --> 00:52:12,309
Absolutely.

956
00:52:13,578 --> 00:52:17,744
The racist part is really
tough to choke down for me.

957
00:52:17,746 --> 00:52:21,112
During my 38 years there, I didn't see it.

958
00:52:21,114 --> 00:52:24,314
Civil rights organizations say
the Los Angeles police department

959
00:52:24,316 --> 00:52:27,015
has a history of brutality and misconduct

960
00:52:27,017 --> 00:52:29,350
that goes back a quarter of a century,

961
00:52:29,352 --> 00:52:32,184
including one incident that
sparked the Watts riots.

962
00:52:32,186 --> 00:52:37,153
We want effective law-enforcement
in the city of Los Angeles.

963
00:52:37,155 --> 00:52:39,454
You take an oath to protect and serve,

964
00:52:39,456 --> 00:52:41,188
but when you come to the black community,

965
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:43,223
all you do is abuse!

966
00:52:43,658 --> 00:52:45,157
Hey, hey! Ho, ho!

967
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,859
You can only take so many shots
publicly before your reputation

968
00:52:49,861 --> 00:52:54,727
is so soiled that it can be
manipulated over and over again.

969
00:52:56,197 --> 00:52:59,830
That will always be included
in the argument to demonstrate

970
00:52:59,832 --> 00:53:04,866
how brutal and insensitive
and racist the LAPD is.

971
00:53:04,868 --> 00:53:08,200
It's like you can't put Humpty
Dumpty back together again.

972
00:53:08,202 --> 00:53:12,169
We're outraged, we're disgusted,
and let's close this one with,

973
00:53:12,171 --> 00:53:17,505
No more! No more! No more!
No more! No more! No more!

974
00:53:39,816 --> 00:53:46,650
It comes to Latasha Harlins,
coming to the counter

975
00:53:46,652 --> 00:53:49,685
with what she was going
to buy in one hand,

976
00:53:49,687 --> 00:53:51,753
money in the other.

977
00:53:55,156 --> 00:53:56,688
Altercation,

978
00:54:01,225 --> 00:54:02,891
walks away,

979
00:54:04,294 --> 00:54:07,193
is shot in the back of the head.

980
00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:13,729
Latasha Harlins really hit home,

981
00:54:13,731 --> 00:54:16,264
because my daughter was the
same age as Latasha Harlins.

982
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,200
Rodney King didn't touch me
as much as Latasha Harlins,

983
00:54:23,202 --> 00:54:24,767
because this girl was killed.

984
00:54:27,004 --> 00:54:30,570
She was a little teenage
girl buying some orange juice.

985
00:54:30,572 --> 00:54:31,571
Mm-mm.

986
00:54:33,406 --> 00:54:36,239
That... that could've been my child.

987
00:54:36,241 --> 00:54:37,706
Up until Saturday morning,

988
00:54:37,708 --> 00:54:41,208
Soon Ja Du was a Korean
grocer in Los Angeles.

989
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:42,842
Now she's an alleged criminal,

990
00:54:42,844 --> 00:54:45,544
facing a first-degree murder charge.

991
00:54:45,546 --> 00:54:49,178
Well, at this time, she's looking
at a maximum of 30 years to life.

992
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:52,213
According to witnesses and
a security camera video tape,

993
00:54:52,215 --> 00:54:54,914
Harlins never tried to steal the juice.

994
00:54:54,916 --> 00:54:58,482
Instead, investigators say
Du angrily confronted the girl

995
00:54:58,484 --> 00:55:01,217
and then shot her with
a .38 caliber handgun.

996
00:55:01,219 --> 00:55:04,552
I hope and I know that
justice will serve itself,

997
00:55:04,554 --> 00:55:06,553
and she will get what she deserved.

998
00:55:08,188 --> 00:55:12,755
Soon Ja Du had no
respect for that young...

999
00:55:13,858 --> 00:55:17,724
The way they beat Rodney King, okay?

1000
00:55:17,726 --> 00:55:19,858
Her shooting Latasha Harlins...

1001
00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:24,460
It's the same people, okay,
that are being victimized.

1002
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:31,196
The recommendation of the
people was maximum state prison.

1003
00:55:31,198 --> 00:55:34,364
I think that the death
of Latasha deserved that.

1004
00:55:34,366 --> 00:55:36,499
The court decided otherwise.

1005
00:55:36,501 --> 00:55:39,234
Mrs. Du is placed on formal probation

1006
00:55:39,236 --> 00:55:42,268
for five years on the
following terms and conditions.

1007
00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:46,903
Mrs. Du is to perform 400
hours of community service.

1008
00:55:46,905 --> 00:55:48,071
Get the cameras off!

1009
00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:52,072
No cameras! Get the camera out of my face!

1010
00:55:52,074 --> 00:55:54,173
The judge called for peace. She said...

1011
00:55:54,175 --> 00:55:57,175
How can you have peace when...?

1012
00:55:57,177 --> 00:56:01,076
What? This woman killed a child.

1013
00:56:01,078 --> 00:56:04,245
She killed a child and
not getting any jail time?

1014
00:56:04,247 --> 00:56:07,680
I... I... I haven't
gotten over that, really.

1015
00:56:07,682 --> 00:56:15,916
Wake up, Los Angeles! Wake up!
Let not her blood be in vain!

1016
00:56:15,918 --> 00:56:18,451
Latasha was killed, our family was killed.

1017
00:56:18,453 --> 00:56:20,185
- Yeah!
- That's right!

1018
00:56:20,187 --> 00:56:23,687
Racism is not the Korean killing
her, racism is the courts system...

1019
00:56:23,689 --> 00:56:25,608
- That's right!
- ... that allows her to kill her.

1020
00:56:26,556 --> 00:56:27,854
Karlin must go! Karlin must go!

1021
00:56:27,856 --> 00:56:30,957
Chanting "Karlin must
go", angry protestors

1022
00:56:30,959 --> 00:56:34,124
stormed through security checkpoints
at the courthouse in Compton.

1023
00:56:36,595 --> 00:56:40,094
They are still outraged over
Judge Joyce Karlin's decision

1024
00:56:40,096 --> 00:56:43,395
not to send Latasha
Harlins' killer to jail.

1025
00:56:43,397 --> 00:56:47,130
They are willing to go to
jail to get their point across.

1026
00:56:47,132 --> 00:56:49,898
In the community, you go
to jail for selling crack

1027
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:51,565
for 20 years, 20 and 30 years.

1028
00:56:51,567 --> 00:56:55,901
How you gonna kill
somebody and get probation?

1029
00:56:55,903 --> 00:56:58,135
What kind of sense does that make?

1030
00:56:58,137 --> 00:56:59,769
What kind of justice is that?

1031
00:57:03,606 --> 00:57:05,172
39th and Dalton,

1032
00:57:08,075 --> 00:57:09,940
then Rodney King,

1033
00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:13,508
then Latasha Harlins.

1034
00:57:14,544 --> 00:57:18,711
Three defining issues in different ways,

1035
00:57:18,713 --> 00:57:20,945
but the tension in the environment

1036
00:57:20,947 --> 00:57:26,014
and the disrespect shown
to Black life was the theme.

1037
00:57:31,952 --> 00:57:34,217
ESPN presents...

1038
00:57:36,587 --> 00:57:37,952
Sports Look

1039
00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:41,454
with the personalities and cover stories

1040
00:57:41,456 --> 00:57:43,855
making news in the world of sport.

1041
00:57:44,957 --> 00:57:48,323
Now, here's your host, Roy Firestone.

1042
00:57:48,325 --> 00:57:51,092
When you live your life
so publicly and, uh,

1043
00:57:51,094 --> 00:57:54,226
really almost with such ease,

1044
00:57:54,228 --> 00:57:57,260
uh, it's hard to believe that
there could ever be any rocky time.

1045
00:57:57,262 --> 00:57:58,762
The reason I'm bringing that to light now

1046
00:57:58,764 --> 00:58:00,463
is not to dredge it up again,

1047
00:58:00,465 --> 00:58:03,230
but more or less talk about
how things can get distorted

1048
00:58:03,232 --> 00:58:06,132
to such a point that you
are portrayed as the bad guy.

1049
00:58:06,134 --> 00:58:08,432
Um, New Year's Eve,

1050
00:58:08,434 --> 00:58:10,100
you had a little bit too much to drink.

1051
00:58:10,102 --> 00:58:11,134
- There was some...
- Uh, you know, that's...

1052
00:58:11,136 --> 00:58:12,601
You know, actually,

1053
00:58:12,603 --> 00:58:14,902
you know, my wife and I have
been together for 12 years

1054
00:58:14,904 --> 00:58:16,570
and it really... when I look at it,

1055
00:58:16,572 --> 00:58:18,070
it wasn't really that big of a fight,

1056
00:58:18,072 --> 00:58:21,105
it's just that because of,
uh, it being New Year's Eve...

1057
00:58:21,107 --> 00:58:22,139
Right.

1058
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:23,171
... because it's three
o'clock in the mornin',

1059
00:58:23,174 --> 00:58:24,840
just finished a big party,

1060
00:58:24,842 --> 00:58:27,807
uh, it got a little verb...
it... it got a little loud.

1061
00:58:29,077 --> 00:58:31,076
Here's... here's my point,
the point I'm making, Juice...

1062
00:58:31,078 --> 00:58:32,010
Yeah.

1063
00:58:32,012 --> 00:58:33,977
... is that it got to such a point

1064
00:58:33,979 --> 00:58:36,945
that you were portrayed in the press
for a while there like a wife beater.

1065
00:58:36,947 --> 00:58:38,912
Yeah, well, and that bothered me.

1066
00:58:38,914 --> 00:58:40,913
Obviously, it bothered my whole family.

1067
00:58:40,915 --> 00:58:43,148
I mean, uh, you know, the
day after this was over,

1068
00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:44,081
you know, we looked at, say...

1069
00:58:44,083 --> 00:58:44,982
you know, we had a fight,

1070
00:58:44,984 --> 00:58:46,650
we were both guilty.

1071
00:58:46,652 --> 00:58:49,091
No one was hurt, was no big
deal, and we got on with our life.

1072
00:58:53,488 --> 00:58:57,087
I had always suspected that
they had violent fights.

1073
00:58:58,490 --> 00:59:02,923
The day of my wedding I
found out that Nicole and O.J.

1074
00:59:02,925 --> 00:59:04,244
were not going to be attending...

1075
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:06,959
and he said it was because

1076
00:59:06,961 --> 00:59:11,060
Nicole was having very
bad cramps from her period.

1077
00:59:12,529 --> 00:59:14,095
I thought it was a lie.

1078
00:59:16,464 --> 00:59:20,464
It was always Nicole's fault.
I mean, even the '89 thing.

1079
00:59:20,466 --> 00:59:22,666
When I cornered him
sitting on a golf cart,

1080
00:59:22,668 --> 00:59:24,133
I listened for nine holes,

1081
00:59:24,135 --> 00:59:26,967
everything that she did wrong
to create what had happened.

1082
00:59:26,969 --> 00:59:29,769
"You think that she's bruised
up, you should have seen my face,"

1083
00:59:29,771 --> 00:59:32,536
you know, the... the whole pity
thing that he always went through.

1084
00:59:33,972 --> 00:59:38,039
I think anybody that
knew them... it was over.

1085
00:59:38,041 --> 00:59:41,807
Then it was a matter of when
would Nicole have the fortitude

1086
00:59:41,809 --> 00:59:44,075
to just completely walk away.

1087
00:59:47,945 --> 00:59:48,944
She said, "Ron,

1088
00:59:49,946 --> 00:59:52,278
if it wasn't for the
kids, I'd be out of here."

1089
00:59:53,781 --> 00:59:55,479
And then I get a call from O.J.

1090
00:59:55,481 --> 00:59:57,547
He says, "You gotta help me here.

1091
00:59:57,549 --> 01:00:00,049
You... you gotta help save this marriage.

1092
01:00:00,051 --> 01:00:04,517
You gotta talk to Nicole, tell
her I'll never do it again."

1093
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,018
I saw her start to soften,
because by this time,

1094
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:11,287
O.J. is just doing
everything with the kids.

1095
01:00:11,289 --> 01:00:12,721
And they're just having a great time,

1096
01:00:12,723 --> 01:00:14,288
he's taking them here,
he's taking them there.

1097
01:00:14,290 --> 01:00:15,689
She's looking at me goin',

1098
01:00:15,691 --> 01:00:20,358
"Hey, Ron, he's really
changing. He's really changing."

1099
01:00:23,127 --> 01:00:27,194
When it turned toward
the domestic violence,

1100
01:00:27,196 --> 01:00:30,896
that was one that nobody wanted to hear.

1101
01:00:30,898 --> 01:00:32,129
The police didn't wanna hear it,

1102
01:00:32,131 --> 01:00:34,664
most certainly Hertz didn't wanna hear it,

1103
01:00:34,666 --> 01:00:36,131
NBC didn't wanna hear it.

1104
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:38,066
Nobody wanted to deal with that.

1105
01:00:38,068 --> 01:00:40,366
Back to you, Bob.

1106
01:00:43,036 --> 01:00:45,135
When we heard that, I thought that was it.

1107
01:00:45,137 --> 01:00:46,235
That's... it's over.

1108
01:00:48,072 --> 01:00:53,005
You know who called me to tell
me that it was a false arrest?

1109
01:00:53,007 --> 01:00:54,007
Nicole.

1110
01:00:55,875 --> 01:00:58,041
Nicole called me and said,

1111
01:00:58,043 --> 01:01:00,475
"Frank, it didn't happen that way."

1112
01:01:01,677 --> 01:01:05,577
They'd had a terrible
argument, but he wasn't abusive.

1113
01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:07,244
They just overreacted.

1114
01:01:09,848 --> 01:01:12,714
I certainly understand how
she got involved with him,

1115
01:01:12,716 --> 01:01:15,982
and I could understand how
hard it would be to leave that.

1116
01:01:17,552 --> 01:01:18,983
There was a lot to leave.

1117
01:01:20,019 --> 01:01:23,218
Especially if it was to go
back to your parents' house

1118
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:25,953
in Laguna Beach and start over.

1119
01:01:27,889 --> 01:01:33,724
O.J. was the income
producer for the family.

1120
01:01:33,726 --> 01:01:37,225
For not only just Nicole and O.J.

1121
01:01:37,227 --> 01:01:42,927
but for Nicole's father,
and mother, sisters...

1122
01:01:42,929 --> 01:01:45,061
He was the... the money man.

1123
01:01:47,431 --> 01:01:52,431
Nicole told me that she felt
her family would side with O.J.

1124
01:01:52,433 --> 01:01:54,833
And that... and that
disturbed her a great deal.

1125
01:01:58,103 --> 01:02:00,569
Nicole was like the trophy to him.

1126
01:02:00,571 --> 01:02:02,936
You know, something
that... that he possessed,

1127
01:02:02,938 --> 01:02:05,003
that he wanted control of, you know?

1128
01:02:05,005 --> 01:02:07,505
And "You better do what
I say," but, you know,

1129
01:02:07,507 --> 01:02:09,039
"You better go along with this program."

1130
01:02:09,041 --> 01:02:12,273
I... I totally believe he
was concerned about his image.

1131
01:02:12,275 --> 01:02:14,208
What kind of public reaction did you get,

1132
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:17,008
and what kind of corporate
reaction did you get, Juice?

1133
01:02:17,010 --> 01:02:20,777
Surprisingly, so supportive
it was unbelievable, you know?

1134
01:02:20,779 --> 01:02:22,344
So supportive, you know?

1135
01:02:22,346 --> 01:02:25,113
Uh, most of the people that
I work with know us real well,

1136
01:02:25,115 --> 01:02:27,913
so they can see first-hand that
there was, uh, you know, that,

1137
01:02:27,915 --> 01:02:29,547
hey, our relationship was as strong as...

1138
01:02:29,549 --> 01:02:33,249
not only as it's ever been, but
as strong as anybody's I know.

1139
01:02:33,251 --> 01:02:35,517
So nobody dropped you from any contracts?

1140
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:36,717
- No. No. No.
- See, the one thing that...

1141
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:38,451
another thing people
don't realize about O.J.

1142
01:02:38,453 --> 01:02:42,053
is he is extremely, uh, well-involved
in the business community.

1143
01:02:42,055 --> 01:02:44,187
And he doesn't wanna do this,
'cause it's embarrassing to him,

1144
01:02:44,189 --> 01:02:46,288
but he is one of the
owners of HoneyBaked Hams,

1145
01:02:46,290 --> 01:02:48,389
uh, Ramada Inns, a couple of Ramada Inns,

1146
01:02:48,391 --> 01:02:49,690
three Ramada Inns,

1147
01:02:49,692 --> 01:02:51,557
very involved, of course, with Hertz.

1148
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:53,792
And when something like this happens,

1149
01:02:53,794 --> 01:02:54,792
it takes a toll,

1150
01:02:54,794 --> 01:02:56,960
it takes a bite out of it, but, you know,

1151
01:02:56,962 --> 01:02:58,727
it boun... you bounce back
from something like this.

1152
01:02:58,729 --> 01:03:01,695
Once they really,
really got back together,

1153
01:03:01,697 --> 01:03:03,396
you know, I mean, we were
still friends, you know,

1154
01:03:03,398 --> 01:03:05,197
I still know the guy and everything,

1155
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:06,297
but, you know,

1156
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:08,799
he kinda had that, uh, attitude,

1157
01:03:08,801 --> 01:03:11,266
"I'm back. I knew I'd be back."

1158
01:03:11,268 --> 01:03:14,300
You know, "Hey... Don't worry about it."

1159
01:03:14,302 --> 01:03:15,935
You know, "Everything's fine."

1160
01:03:17,804 --> 01:03:21,937
This is where O.J. Simpson
performed community service

1161
01:03:21,939 --> 01:03:24,938
as part of his sentence for
beating his wife, Nicole.

1162
01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:28,407
For part of his punishment,
Simpson went golfing.

1163
01:03:28,409 --> 01:03:30,908
He spent his 120 hours
of community service

1164
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:33,409
organizing a celebrity tournament.

1165
01:03:33,411 --> 01:03:36,978
Prosecutors in the case say
they wanted him to go to jail.

1166
01:03:41,915 --> 01:03:46,815
Can you imagine if every time he
did something violent like that

1167
01:03:46,817 --> 01:03:48,516
that a report would've been made?

1168
01:03:49,619 --> 01:03:52,718
When I got to the station,
I checked the computer,

1169
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:58,554
there would have been eight previous
domestic incident reports on file.

1170
01:03:58,556 --> 01:04:01,221
Then I would have put that in my report

1171
01:04:01,223 --> 01:04:04,290
and sent it on to the prosecutor,

1172
01:04:04,292 --> 01:04:08,658
that most likely that would
have been filed as a felony.

1173
01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:12,994
Because it would have shown
that a slap on the hand

1174
01:04:12,996 --> 01:04:16,128
is not going to cure
this from happening again.

1175
01:04:17,230 --> 01:04:20,264
And that's why I hung onto the report.

1176
01:04:20,266 --> 01:04:22,831
I don't have a garage full of reports,

1177
01:04:22,833 --> 01:04:26,833
I have one report, one,

1178
01:04:26,835 --> 01:04:31,002
that was O.J. Simpson's
report because I thought

1179
01:04:31,004 --> 01:04:35,937
that the case might be
mishandled, and I needed proof

1180
01:04:35,939 --> 01:04:37,037
that it actually happened,

1181
01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:41,072
and I thought he was gonna kill her.

1182
01:04:52,613 --> 01:04:55,913
A controversial case involving
four Los Angeles police officers

1183
01:04:55,915 --> 01:04:57,113
goes to court today.

1184
01:04:57,115 --> 01:04:58,513
The officers face charges

1185
01:04:58,515 --> 01:05:00,915
stemming from the videotaped
beating of a motorist.

1186
01:05:00,917 --> 01:05:03,082
The case has already raised accusations

1187
01:05:03,084 --> 01:05:06,117
of officially-sanctioned
racism and brutality.

1188
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:08,685
At issue is the use of force.

1189
01:05:08,687 --> 01:05:11,452
The question is whether
their force was justified

1190
01:05:11,454 --> 01:05:13,754
by King's behavior
before the camera rolled.

1191
01:05:15,857 --> 01:05:19,123
I don't think that that
should have been prosecuted.

1192
01:05:19,125 --> 01:05:20,957
Those officers had about
two seconds to make up

1193
01:05:20,959 --> 01:05:22,491
their mind to do something,

1194
01:05:22,493 --> 01:05:25,125
and they did what they
thought was right at the time.

1195
01:05:25,127 --> 01:05:27,326
When is too much? When is not enough?

1196
01:05:28,362 --> 01:05:30,494
Should they go to trial? Definitely not.

1197
01:05:32,297 --> 01:05:35,796
On film, what you see was illegal.

1198
01:05:35,798 --> 01:05:37,497
There had to be a prosecution,

1199
01:05:37,499 --> 01:05:42,799
and if there isn't a
legitimate reason for this,

1200
01:05:42,801 --> 01:05:45,034
there's jail time involved with this one.

1201
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:49,803
I was fairly new to LA, so I'm thinkin',

1202
01:05:49,805 --> 01:05:55,206
"Hey, we got 'em... we got 'em
cold. This time we'll get justice."

1203
01:05:55,208 --> 01:05:58,674
And there were people who had lived
in those communities a long time,

1204
01:05:58,676 --> 01:05:59,774
and they were saying,

1205
01:05:59,776 --> 01:06:03,475
"Well, you know, maybe. I hope so.

1206
01:06:03,477 --> 01:06:04,876
But it's not a done deal."

1207
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:09,445
In a brand-new courthouse
in a distant LA suburb

1208
01:06:09,447 --> 01:06:11,012
called Simi Valley,

1209
01:06:11,014 --> 01:06:14,147
the city's drama is putting
a little town on the map.

1210
01:06:14,149 --> 01:06:15,848
The defense had the trial moved

1211
01:06:15,850 --> 01:06:18,815
from Los Angeles county
to this bedroom suburb.

1212
01:06:18,817 --> 01:06:22,184
This area is notably more
white and conservative than LA.

1213
01:06:24,186 --> 01:06:25,985
It was a horrible decision.

1214
01:06:25,987 --> 01:06:28,153
It was the worst possible decision.

1215
01:06:28,155 --> 01:06:31,721
And a lot of LAPD officers
live in Simi Valley.

1216
01:06:33,791 --> 01:06:36,324
The idea is that you get a
representative cross-section

1217
01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:38,724
of the community, that's what
the sixth amendment talks about,

1218
01:06:38,726 --> 01:06:42,059
and that people come in with
different life experiences,

1219
01:06:42,061 --> 01:06:43,360
because you really do need

1220
01:06:43,362 --> 01:06:45,861
the people to come from
different walks of life

1221
01:06:45,863 --> 01:06:49,362
so that you get a complete
understanding of the testimony.

1222
01:06:49,364 --> 01:06:51,663
Completely in fear for
my life, scared to death

1223
01:06:51,665 --> 01:06:53,798
that if this guy got back up,

1224
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,699
he was gonna take my gun away from me.

1225
01:06:56,734 --> 01:06:59,367
Cases involving charges
against police officers

1226
01:06:59,369 --> 01:07:01,001
are rarely slam dunks.

1227
01:07:01,003 --> 01:07:03,069
Even when they're on videotape.

1228
01:07:03,071 --> 01:07:05,803
Do you believe that the
actions of your officers

1229
01:07:05,805 --> 01:07:08,837
up to this point were having
any effect on Mr. King?

1230
01:07:08,839 --> 01:07:12,240
None at all. This was a managed
and controlled use of force.

1231
01:07:12,242 --> 01:07:13,874
It followed the policies and procedures

1232
01:07:13,876 --> 01:07:16,541
of Los Angeles Police
Department and the training.

1233
01:07:16,543 --> 01:07:19,209
Now, as the defense presents its case,

1234
01:07:19,211 --> 01:07:21,910
civil rights lawyers
like Johnny Cochran worry

1235
01:07:21,912 --> 01:07:24,411
that convictions are far from certain,

1236
01:07:24,413 --> 01:07:26,812
because the prosecutors
seem to lack experience

1237
01:07:26,814 --> 01:07:28,479
dealing with cops.

1238
01:07:28,481 --> 01:07:31,081
Somebody with some experience
has to stand up and say,

1239
01:07:31,083 --> 01:07:32,648
"Look, you can't get away with this.

1240
01:07:32,650 --> 01:07:34,983
This isn't right, and we're
not gonna let it happen."

1241
01:07:34,985 --> 01:07:37,317
The prosecution's strategy seems to be

1242
01:07:37,319 --> 01:07:40,819
to let the violence of the
videotape speak for itself.

1243
01:07:40,821 --> 01:07:44,720
But nobody is certain anymore what
that tape is saying to the jury.

1244
01:07:46,156 --> 01:07:49,556
I had been telling my
people at Time Magazine,

1245
01:07:49,558 --> 01:07:50,723
"There's something going on.

1246
01:07:51,592 --> 01:07:53,124
We need to pay attention.

1247
01:07:54,226 --> 01:07:57,592
There's a story here beyond this trial."

1248
01:08:00,062 --> 01:08:02,895
I just sensed there was this unrest.

1249
01:08:19,738 --> 01:08:23,537
The day started like any other
day, but it really wasn't.

1250
01:08:23,539 --> 01:08:26,005
We were waiting for the verdict
to be handed down in the trial

1251
01:08:26,007 --> 01:08:28,072
of the four white police officers

1252
01:08:28,074 --> 01:08:31,340
that were charged with
beating Rodney King.

1253
01:08:31,342 --> 01:08:32,775
Sergeant Koon, how are you feeling?

1254
01:08:33,777 --> 01:08:34,776
No comment.

1255
01:08:35,411 --> 01:08:36,910
I got up that morning and I said,

1256
01:08:36,912 --> 01:08:39,011
"I gotta go out there
and see what's going on."

1257
01:08:39,013 --> 01:08:41,579
So I got on the freeway and
started looking for Simi Valley.

1258
01:08:44,015 --> 01:08:46,281
It's a all-white town.

1259
01:08:46,283 --> 01:08:48,682
I only saw white people
out there that day,

1260
01:08:49,784 --> 01:08:54,351
and they wasn't that kind to me
when I was asking for direction.

1261
01:08:57,254 --> 01:08:59,086
I wanted to be there to witness it,

1262
01:09:00,022 --> 01:09:02,621
and I guess I thought that my being there

1263
01:09:02,623 --> 01:09:04,455
was gonna change something.

1264
01:09:04,457 --> 01:09:05,656
Title of accordant cause:

1265
01:09:06,759 --> 01:09:09,557
We the jury, in the above-entitled action,

1266
01:09:09,559 --> 01:09:10,591
find the defendant,

1267
01:09:10,593 --> 01:09:13,059
Laurence M. Powell not guilty of...

1268
01:09:16,763 --> 01:09:19,062
Man, you got to be kiddin'.

1269
01:09:19,064 --> 01:09:21,729
We the jury, in the above-entitled action,

1270
01:09:21,731 --> 01:09:24,264
find the defendant Theodore J. Briseno

1271
01:09:24,266 --> 01:09:27,065
not guilty of the crime of assault

1272
01:09:27,067 --> 01:09:29,700
by force likely to
produce great bodily injury

1273
01:09:29,702 --> 01:09:31,701
with a deadly weapon.

1274
01:09:31,703 --> 01:09:36,136
This 29th day of April,
1992, signed by the court.

1275
01:09:36,138 --> 01:09:37,337
Title of accordant cause:

1276
01:09:38,272 --> 01:09:41,204
We the jury, in the above-entitled action,

1277
01:09:41,206 --> 01:09:43,439
find the defendant, Timothy E. Wind,

1278
01:09:43,441 --> 01:09:46,440
not guilty of the crime
of assault by force

1279
01:09:46,442 --> 01:09:50,642
likely to produce great bodily
injury with a deadly weapon.

1280
01:09:50,644 --> 01:09:53,044
I was sitting in the bureau
the day of the verdict,

1281
01:09:53,046 --> 01:09:55,711
with all of my white
colleagues and friends.

1282
01:09:55,713 --> 01:09:56,745
We the jury...

1283
01:09:56,747 --> 01:09:58,979
And every time they said, "Not guilty"...

1284
01:09:58,981 --> 01:10:01,781
... the defendant, Stacey
C. Koon, not guilty...

1285
01:10:01,783 --> 01:10:06,282
... what I heard was, "Fuck
niggers. Not guilty. Fuck niggers."

1286
01:10:07,552 --> 01:10:11,152
No justice! No peace!
No justice! No peace!

1287
01:10:11,154 --> 01:10:14,453
I was at Parker Center when
the acquittals were announced.

1288
01:10:14,455 --> 01:10:17,487
And I recall some high-fives
and some fist-pumping in the air,

1289
01:10:17,489 --> 01:10:19,622
and, I mean, there were
clearly some people who felt

1290
01:10:19,624 --> 01:10:23,123
that the public misunderstood them,
that the media misunderstood them,

1291
01:10:23,125 --> 01:10:24,590
and that the jury got it right.

1292
01:10:24,592 --> 01:10:26,792
Well, first, all your
reaction to what has happened.

1293
01:10:27,927 --> 01:10:29,826
Very happy.

1294
01:10:35,297 --> 01:10:39,397
I'm glad the LAPD are
out there protecting me...

1295
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,799
I wanted to believe that
the system would work

1296
01:10:43,801 --> 01:10:45,499
for black people in general,

1297
01:10:45,501 --> 01:10:47,667
even though I knew often it doesn't,

1298
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:50,669
but this time, it should
work. And it didn't.

1299
01:10:50,671 --> 01:10:51,903
And all I felt like,

1300
01:10:51,905 --> 01:10:53,704
I just wanted to smack somebody white.

1301
01:10:55,606 --> 01:10:56,805
You're guilty!

1302
01:10:56,807 --> 01:10:58,939
Your skin color determines
what degree of justice

1303
01:10:58,941 --> 01:10:59,940
you have these days.

1304
01:11:01,775 --> 01:11:06,176
I don't think the community's
gonna take this lying down.

1305
01:11:06,178 --> 01:11:08,610
I don't think this is gonna be good.

1306
01:11:08,612 --> 01:11:11,812
No justice in America, not for the blacks!

1307
01:11:11,814 --> 01:11:14,980
The justice is for the other
man, not for the brother man!

1308
01:11:17,816 --> 01:11:21,282
Pastor, your reaction after
that first verdict was read?

1309
01:11:21,284 --> 01:11:26,085
Our reaction was almost
universal, utter pain.

1310
01:11:27,354 --> 01:11:29,686
Justice! Justice!

1311
01:11:29,688 --> 01:11:33,621
Rodney King did not
have a choirboy's record,

1312
01:11:33,623 --> 01:11:36,422
but Rodney King had the flesh and blood

1313
01:11:36,424 --> 01:11:39,190
of decency and humanity in his heart.

1314
01:11:39,192 --> 01:11:44,493
What they were beating is
every Black person in America.

1315
01:11:44,494 --> 01:11:46,027
Don't lay down for this shit!

1316
01:11:46,029 --> 01:11:49,862
We had an understanding
that the night of the verdict

1317
01:11:49,864 --> 01:11:52,696
we would assemble at First AME Church.

1318
01:11:53,765 --> 01:11:56,631
We'd been meeting with
the mayor to get ready.

1319
01:11:56,633 --> 01:11:58,032
I said Beverly Hills,

1320
01:11:58,034 --> 01:11:59,466
'cause this is some fucked-up
shit that happened, man.

1321
01:11:59,468 --> 01:12:00,533
- This is history...
- We're going to Westwood...

1322
01:12:00,535 --> 01:12:03,601
Brentwood, Whitewood. All that.

1323
01:12:03,603 --> 01:12:07,636
We were gonna send out groups of young men

1324
01:12:07,638 --> 01:12:12,105
to walk the streets and
keep everything in order.

1325
01:12:18,043 --> 01:12:22,476
I had spent weeks talking to
Black clergy, gang members,

1326
01:12:22,478 --> 01:12:28,278
and they were very upfront about
what they believed would happen.

1327
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,639
"Yeah, there's gonna be violence."

1328
01:12:31,215 --> 01:12:35,548
So we had everything prepared.
We had the copter fully fueled.

1329
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:36,815
It seems like the only people

1330
01:12:36,817 --> 01:12:38,649
that didn't know that
there would be a riot

1331
01:12:38,651 --> 01:12:40,450
was the news media and the LAPD.

1332
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:46,653
You're looking at a live picture
here at Normandie and Florence.

1333
01:12:46,655 --> 01:12:49,354
There has been a
mini-riot at this location.

1334
01:12:49,356 --> 01:12:51,655
There's now been a tactical alert.

1335
01:12:51,657 --> 01:12:56,724
Officers have been ordered to
stay out of this general area.

1336
01:12:56,726 --> 01:12:59,126
We're gonna try to get you
more information on that.

1337
01:13:01,029 --> 01:13:02,627
Even before the verdict,

1338
01:13:02,629 --> 01:13:05,361
Los Angeles police chief
Daryl Gates was criticized

1339
01:13:05,363 --> 01:13:07,295
for preparing for unrest in the event

1340
01:13:07,297 --> 01:13:09,230
four of his officers were acquitted.

1341
01:13:09,232 --> 01:13:10,897
But when the rioting began,

1342
01:13:10,899 --> 01:13:13,499
where were the police and firefighters?

1343
01:13:19,736 --> 01:13:22,669
My most striking memory is of
members of the police commission

1344
01:13:22,671 --> 01:13:24,370
desperately trying to find Gates.

1345
01:13:24,372 --> 01:13:26,505
Which is just shocking, if you
think about it in retrospect,

1346
01:13:26,507 --> 01:13:27,972
that the verdicts in the Rodney King case

1347
01:13:27,974 --> 01:13:29,539
were coming down and the
chief was not at Parker Center.

1348
01:13:29,541 --> 01:13:32,573
Gates had driven to this
house in ritzy Brentwood

1349
01:13:32,575 --> 01:13:36,142
to campaign against a
police reform initiative.

1350
01:13:36,144 --> 01:13:39,543
Fighting police reform,
that's what he was doing.

1351
01:13:39,545 --> 01:13:43,578
He abandoned his post

1352
01:13:43,580 --> 01:13:47,514
and left his troops in a shameful state.

1353
01:13:52,251 --> 01:13:54,216
The LAPD response was tepid.

1354
01:13:57,053 --> 01:13:59,986
All of the media gets
on the police department,

1355
01:13:59,988 --> 01:14:01,053
the people are screaming,

1356
01:14:01,055 --> 01:14:03,087
"We have an occupying force."

1357
01:14:03,089 --> 01:14:05,355
Well, gee, we don't wanna
look like an occupying force,

1358
01:14:05,357 --> 01:14:07,156
so maybe we'll just sit
here until it blows over.

1359
01:14:07,158 --> 01:14:08,623
That type of crap goes on.

1360
01:14:10,259 --> 01:14:11,557
And we were furious.

1361
01:14:19,063 --> 01:14:21,429
- Fuck the police!
- Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em!

1362
01:14:25,166 --> 01:14:27,331
Chaos at this particular location.

1363
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:33,200
To see the very start of the
violence was very troubling.

1364
01:14:33,202 --> 01:14:36,568
What made it really troubling
was there was no police presence.

1365
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:38,669
There's a van coming under attack.

1366
01:14:38,671 --> 01:14:40,437
They're pulling the driver out of the van,

1367
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,072
and they're kicking the
driver and beating the driver.

1368
01:14:43,074 --> 01:14:45,173
We captured what essentially became

1369
01:14:45,175 --> 01:14:48,774
the bookend to the Rodney King beating.

1370
01:14:48,776 --> 01:14:51,008
There's another driver, badly beaten.

1371
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:52,608
In the case of Reginald Denny,

1372
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:56,177
we had black gang members
beating a white man.

1373
01:14:56,179 --> 01:14:58,445
Oh, look at that. Terrible.

1374
01:14:58,447 --> 01:15:01,046
And there's no police presence down here.

1375
01:15:01,048 --> 01:15:02,346
They will not enter the area.

1376
01:15:03,916 --> 01:15:07,248
That was the most disgusting thing
I've seen in my entire career.

1377
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:10,117
Two blocks away we had a
platoon of metro division.

1378
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:12,551
We could have cleared that
intersection in a minute.

1379
01:15:12,553 --> 01:15:14,018
But the commander there

1380
01:15:14,020 --> 01:15:16,219
didn't wanna release 'em to
do it, because of imagery.

1381
01:15:16,221 --> 01:15:17,619
We're on live television.

1382
01:15:17,621 --> 01:15:20,288
We're seeing a dark
day here in Los Angeles.

1383
01:15:20,290 --> 01:15:22,589
The LAPD is nowhere to be found.

1384
01:15:22,591 --> 01:15:24,223
So we're sitting there in our uniforms

1385
01:15:24,225 --> 01:15:26,757
watching this poor truck
driver get his head beat in.

1386
01:15:26,759 --> 01:15:28,558
Nobody's doing a damn thing about it.

1387
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:29,560
We're screamin'.

1388
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,827
Nobody would even move on it.

1389
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:41,330
How are you this evening?

1390
01:15:42,233 --> 01:15:43,531
- Angry.
- Angry?

1391
01:15:45,468 --> 01:15:48,433
The jury is trying to tell
us we didn't see what we saw.

1392
01:15:50,236 --> 01:15:53,869
We've been the victims of
police brutality in this town

1393
01:15:53,871 --> 01:15:55,369
for too long!

1394
01:16:00,374 --> 01:16:01,973
We didn't come here tonight to mourn.

1395
01:16:01,975 --> 01:16:04,440
We came here tonight to say who we are.

1396
01:16:05,543 --> 01:16:07,708
And we ain't gonna take
this business lying down.

1397
01:16:08,978 --> 01:16:10,477
And we ain't gonna tear up our community

1398
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:11,910
to be proving their point.

1399
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:17,379
Mark Brown, Channel Seven
waved at the monitor and said,

1400
01:16:17,381 --> 01:16:21,381
"The city's on fire. It's on fire."

1401
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:24,449
And I looked at him and said, "My God."

1402
01:16:24,451 --> 01:16:26,884
I had no idea it was
right across the street.

1403
01:16:26,886 --> 01:16:27,885
Literally.

1404
01:16:28,453 --> 01:16:30,719
The gas station was on fire.

1405
01:16:37,891 --> 01:16:41,823
What I didn't anticipate
personally and professionally

1406
01:16:41,825 --> 01:16:44,959
was the response of the community.

1407
01:16:48,062 --> 01:16:51,194
I went on the streets, and
Western Avenue was in flames.

1408
01:16:53,231 --> 01:16:58,397
And this crowd is gathering,
and the police have now come,

1409
01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:01,399
and there's one guy, and
he's screaming his head off,

1410
01:17:01,401 --> 01:17:03,399
"Burn, baby, burn!

1411
01:17:03,401 --> 01:17:06,301
How you like me now, Mr. Policeman?"

1412
01:17:09,938 --> 01:17:12,403
And I felt his pain.

1413
01:17:17,242 --> 01:17:18,607
I just didn't get it.

1414
01:17:18,609 --> 01:17:21,541
I just didn't understand
burning down your own community.

1415
01:17:23,344 --> 01:17:24,842
I didn't get what it proved.

1416
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,480
Here are people who feel
like they have no stake,

1417
01:17:33,482 --> 01:17:35,314
nobody's paying any attention to them.

1418
01:17:36,483 --> 01:17:39,115
This is the only way we
can get any attention.

1419
01:17:45,087 --> 01:17:48,086
As it got darker, a
crowd began to gather out

1420
01:17:48,088 --> 01:17:49,448
in front of the police department.

1421
01:17:51,423 --> 01:17:53,322
It got increasingly unruly.

1422
01:17:54,158 --> 01:17:55,856
Someone grabbed me and tore my shirt

1423
01:17:55,858 --> 01:17:57,423
and said something about, you know,

1424
01:17:57,425 --> 01:17:59,424
"You fucking newsmen.
Why do you tell lies?"

1425
01:18:04,162 --> 01:18:08,495
It is the most physically-frightening
situation that I've ever been part of.

1426
01:18:18,701 --> 01:18:20,333
Guy pulls up, and he goes,

1427
01:18:20,335 --> 01:18:23,435
"Mike, whatever you do,
don't go to the command post.

1428
01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:25,336
Go to the police station down the street.

1429
01:18:25,338 --> 01:18:28,437
Because it's very violent out there."

1430
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,605
I looked at him, and I
thought, "What a coward he is,"

1431
01:18:31,607 --> 01:18:37,542
get in the car, make the first turn,
and the car gets lit up by gunfire.

1432
01:18:37,544 --> 01:18:40,276
So I go, "Okay. Now I know
what he's talking about."

1433
01:18:40,278 --> 01:18:42,977
So I took my .45 out, I put it on my lap,

1434
01:18:42,979 --> 01:18:45,645
I took a big gulp of Copenhagen,

1435
01:18:45,647 --> 01:18:48,480
stuck it down my mouth,
turned off the lights

1436
01:18:48,482 --> 01:18:50,780
and drove as fast as I
could to the command post.

1437
01:18:54,317 --> 01:18:59,218
Hindsight, the overall management
could've been done much better,

1438
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:11,557
but once it got away
from us, we were cooked.

1439
01:19:43,005 --> 01:19:44,370
911 Emergency.

1440
01:19:44,372 --> 01:19:46,838
Yeah, can you send someone to my house?

1441
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,306
What's the problem there?

1442
01:19:48,308 --> 01:19:50,307
Well, my ex-husband, or my husband,

1443
01:19:50,309 --> 01:19:51,807
just broke into my house,

1444
01:19:51,809 --> 01:19:53,408
and he's ranting and raving.

1445
01:19:53,410 --> 01:19:55,509
Now he's just walked
out on the front yard.

1446
01:19:55,511 --> 01:19:57,310
Has he been drinking or anything?

1447
01:19:57,312 --> 01:19:59,177
No, but he's crazy.

1448
01:19:59,179 --> 01:20:00,811
Is he black, white, or Hispanic?

1449
01:20:00,813 --> 01:20:01,979
Black.

1450
01:20:01,981 --> 01:20:03,680
What's he wearing right now?

1451
01:20:03,682 --> 01:20:06,247
Black pants and a golf shirt.

1452
01:20:06,249 --> 01:20:07,481
You said he hasn't been drinking?

1453
01:20:07,483 --> 01:20:08,482
- No.
- Did he hit you?

1454
01:20:08,984 --> 01:20:10,166
No.

1455
01:20:10,167 --> 01:20:11,349
Do you have a restraining
order against him?

1456
01:20:11,351 --> 01:20:12,417
No.

1457
01:20:12,419 --> 01:20:13,884
What's your name?

1458
01:20:13,886 --> 01:20:15,051
Nicole Simpson.

1459
01:20:15,053 --> 01:20:16,018
Your address?

1460
01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:19,053
325 Gretna Green Way.

1461
01:20:19,055 --> 01:20:20,653
Okay, we'll send police out.

1462
01:20:20,655 --> 01:20:21,955
- Thank you.
- Uh-huh.

1463
01:20:24,724 --> 01:20:29,058
When Nicole first decided to leave O.J.,

1464
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:30,391
she came to me.

1465
01:20:31,327 --> 01:20:33,659
She said, "I wanna move
out" and at that time,

1466
01:20:33,661 --> 01:20:34,960
I was doing real estate.

1467
01:20:35,862 --> 01:20:37,962
And then we had to sell O.J. on the idea.

1468
01:20:39,164 --> 01:20:41,762
He was obsessed with controlling Nicole.

1469
01:20:41,764 --> 01:20:44,397
I said, "Look, O.J.,
we'll get her a lease."

1470
01:20:44,399 --> 01:20:46,098
He goes, "Three months."

1471
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:52,034
I said, "We'll get her a year lease.
You know? It'll be right nearby.

1472
01:20:52,036 --> 01:20:55,236
You can go to therapy and see
if you can work things out.

1473
01:20:55,238 --> 01:20:57,170
But she needs her space."

1474
01:20:58,038 --> 01:20:59,637
He really didn't wanna do it.

1475
01:21:13,012 --> 01:21:15,111
I think for the first time she felt free.

1476
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:19,247
It was like she just came
into that sense of self,

1477
01:21:19,249 --> 01:21:22,648
that she was really ready to
do life for her and her kids.

1478
01:21:25,351 --> 01:21:27,416
She responded great to being divorced.

1479
01:21:28,452 --> 01:21:31,352
She was really enjoying her life,

1480
01:21:31,354 --> 01:21:35,087
going out and not being Mrs. Simpson,

1481
01:21:35,089 --> 01:21:36,320
being Nicole Brown.

1482
01:21:37,256 --> 01:21:39,688
She wanted to pursue
her photography career,

1483
01:21:39,690 --> 01:21:43,190
and she wanted to have
a normal life again.

1484
01:21:48,227 --> 01:21:49,526
It was a beautiful day,

1485
01:21:49,528 --> 01:21:52,127
and we skied down to the
bottom of the mountain.

1486
01:21:52,129 --> 01:21:55,295
And everybody's gathering on
the deck, having a great time.

1487
01:21:55,297 --> 01:21:57,696
I looked across the
deck, and I said, "Wow."

1488
01:21:57,698 --> 01:21:59,597
I said that, "That is absolutely
the most stunning woman

1489
01:21:59,599 --> 01:22:00,931
I've ever seen in my life.

1490
01:22:00,933 --> 01:22:02,932
I have to find a way to
introduce myself to her."

1491
01:22:02,934 --> 01:22:03,934
So I did.

1492
01:22:05,269 --> 01:22:07,134
When I got back to LA
several months later,

1493
01:22:07,136 --> 01:22:08,868
we spent more time together.

1494
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:11,302
Her and friends came
by Mezzaluna one night,

1495
01:22:11,304 --> 01:22:14,271
and we're having a good
time, and, all of a sudden,

1496
01:22:14,273 --> 01:22:16,205
I see the Bentley come screeching up

1497
01:22:16,207 --> 01:22:17,472
to the front of the door.

1498
01:22:18,241 --> 01:22:20,239
He comes in, walks
straight over to our table,

1499
01:22:20,241 --> 01:22:21,707
slams his hands down,

1500
01:22:21,709 --> 01:22:23,708
looks me straight in the eye and says,

1501
01:22:23,710 --> 01:22:25,942
"I'm O.J. Simpson, and
she's still my wife."

1502
01:22:27,145 --> 01:22:29,077
I was sort of love-blind,

1503
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:31,578
so I didn't get up, I didn't
run, I didn't back down,

1504
01:22:31,580 --> 01:22:34,079
I just stood my ground from day one.

1505
01:22:34,081 --> 01:22:36,513
And that's when she
started to open up to me.

1506
01:22:38,883 --> 01:22:42,383
She told me about years
of abuse at his hands.

1507
01:22:59,326 --> 01:23:02,125
He would beat her and lock
her in closets at hotels

1508
01:23:02,127 --> 01:23:04,259
because she asked where he was at

1509
01:23:04,261 --> 01:23:05,693
when he was out cheating on her.

1510
01:23:12,665 --> 01:23:16,264
She was told how to look,
told how to wear her hair,

1511
01:23:16,266 --> 01:23:17,132
told how to dress,

1512
01:23:17,134 --> 01:23:18,932
told where to be, what time to be,

1513
01:23:18,934 --> 01:23:21,700
how to be, everything for O.J. Simpson.

1514
01:23:22,803 --> 01:23:26,402
Kind of a reverse slavery
thing. Uh, very, very odd.

1515
01:23:26,404 --> 01:23:29,103
You know, "That's, uh,
that's my property,"

1516
01:23:29,105 --> 01:23:31,038
and he always said, "That's my booty."

1517
01:23:32,607 --> 01:23:34,105
The two sides of O.J.,

1518
01:23:34,107 --> 01:23:36,307
the O.J. that everybody sees on TV...

1519
01:23:36,309 --> 01:23:38,274
And when the Cowboys
brought in their big back,

1520
01:23:38,276 --> 01:23:41,309
that they didn't make good
tackles on them, so the coach

1521
01:23:41,311 --> 01:23:43,410
was on their cases to make better tackles,

1522
01:23:43,412 --> 01:23:44,810
as my family throws snowballs at me.

1523
01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:46,244
Incidentally, uh...

1524
01:23:46,246 --> 01:23:48,912
That's not the O.J. that
there was behind closed doors,

1525
01:23:48,914 --> 01:23:50,880
certainly not with her,
and she told me that.

1526
01:23:52,349 --> 01:23:55,015
"Don't ever be left alone with him,

1527
01:23:55,017 --> 01:23:56,736
'cause you don't know
what he's capable of."

1528
01:23:58,985 --> 01:24:03,352
He had her followed, and he
would plant people in our group

1529
01:24:03,354 --> 01:24:07,753
that would call him and tell him
where we're going every night.

1530
01:24:07,755 --> 01:24:09,021
He would either show up

1531
01:24:09,023 --> 01:24:12,256
or have a spy planted there at the club

1532
01:24:12,258 --> 01:24:14,756
so they could watch her every move.

1533
01:24:14,758 --> 01:24:18,858
He never relinquished control.
He never would really let go.

1534
01:24:20,494 --> 01:24:23,827
He would tell me that
Nicole tried to get him back,

1535
01:24:23,829 --> 01:24:27,429
that she was actually taking
golf lessons at Riviera.

1536
01:24:27,431 --> 01:24:30,831
And he had a girlfriend, you know, Paula.

1537
01:24:30,833 --> 01:24:33,231
And he seemed enthralled with her.

1538
01:24:35,802 --> 01:24:39,201
O.J.'s personality had totally changed,

1539
01:24:39,203 --> 01:24:41,768
and I didn't think it
was just the divorce.

1540
01:24:41,770 --> 01:24:44,503
Because his womanizing didn't change.

1541
01:24:44,505 --> 01:24:49,172
He was truly the most jealous
person I ever met in my life.

1542
01:24:49,174 --> 01:24:51,873
He was as jealous as he
was a good football player.

1543
01:24:54,509 --> 01:24:55,875
I saw the anger,

1544
01:24:55,877 --> 01:24:59,143
I saw the rage in his
face on several occasions.

1545
01:24:59,145 --> 01:25:01,278
At me, in particular, and at her.

1546
01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:08,814
There was an incident where
we went over to Roxbury,

1547
01:25:08,816 --> 01:25:10,281
a hot club at the time in LA,

1548
01:25:10,283 --> 01:25:12,248
and we get in, and she's dancing.

1549
01:25:13,652 --> 01:25:18,118
Maybe 20, 30 minutes go by, and
I see her coming back towards me.

1550
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:24,021
She goes, "O.J.'s here."
And I go, "Ha. Great. Again."

1551
01:25:24,023 --> 01:25:26,055
You know, she goes, "Let's
just get out of here."

1552
01:25:26,057 --> 01:25:27,456
And I say, "I couldn't agree more."

1553
01:25:28,524 --> 01:25:30,957
So we drive back to her
house on Gretna Green.

1554
01:25:33,227 --> 01:25:36,693
We go inside, and, uh, we became romantic.

1555
01:25:38,196 --> 01:25:41,261
We were off in a private area
in one of the living rooms,

1556
01:25:44,065 --> 01:25:48,164
and the next day he came over
and pushed in the back door,

1557
01:25:48,166 --> 01:25:49,199
confronted both of us,

1558
01:25:49,201 --> 01:25:51,499
and he wanted to talk to her alone.

1559
01:25:51,501 --> 01:25:53,367
She was trembling, standing next to me,

1560
01:25:53,369 --> 01:25:55,201
holding my hand, shaking.

1561
01:25:55,203 --> 01:25:56,868
And she said,

1562
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:59,789
"Keith, I think you need to leave me
alone with him for a couple minutes."

1563
01:26:01,005 --> 01:26:02,504
I could hear him screaming at her,

1564
01:26:02,506 --> 01:26:04,672
I could hear him using disparaging terms

1565
01:26:04,674 --> 01:26:05,972
about her and me.

1566
01:26:06,875 --> 01:26:10,675
They walked out, and he was O.J. again.

1567
01:26:10,677 --> 01:26:11,975
Shook my hand.

1568
01:26:12,644 --> 01:26:14,210
"Sorry, dude. No hard feelings."

1569
01:26:14,212 --> 01:26:17,644
You know, "I'm a very proud man."

1570
01:26:17,646 --> 01:26:18,765
And he walked out the house.

1571
01:26:20,081 --> 01:26:25,048
And she turned to me, and she was
white as a ghost, and she said,

1572
01:26:25,050 --> 01:26:27,382
"Oh, my God, Keith. He watched us."

1573
01:26:31,052 --> 01:26:33,551
And everything changed from that point on.

1574
01:26:35,087 --> 01:26:38,053
We realized we weren't safe anymore.

1575
01:26:38,055 --> 01:26:41,389
We realized that nothing was off limits.

1576
01:26:44,258 --> 01:26:50,159
I think she knew O.J. was
always a presence. She hated it.

1577
01:26:50,161 --> 01:26:53,927
She couldn't even explore
being single again and...

1578
01:26:53,929 --> 01:26:55,661
and free and having fun,

1579
01:26:55,663 --> 01:26:59,896
because everybody was still
being manipulated by O.J.

1580
01:27:03,733 --> 01:27:05,766
When he found out that
she had been with Marcus,

1581
01:27:05,768 --> 01:27:08,767
that's... that was a real issue.

1582
01:27:08,769 --> 01:27:10,367
It's a time you look the competition

1583
01:27:10,369 --> 01:27:11,835
right in the face and say,

1584
01:27:11,837 --> 01:27:13,736
- "Look, I'm better than you."
- No, I'm better than you.

1585
01:27:13,738 --> 01:27:15,070
You may be younger, but you ain't better.

1586
01:27:15,072 --> 01:27:16,003
Yo, who started?

1587
01:27:16,005 --> 01:27:17,437
And don't be taking my number either.

1588
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:18,738
Besides, I'm better lookin'.

1589
01:27:18,740 --> 01:27:20,372
I'm tired of you trying to be like me.

1590
01:27:20,374 --> 01:27:23,673
I remember going with O.J.
to watch Marcus play at USC.

1591
01:27:27,511 --> 01:27:30,143
He was kinda like a mentor to Marcus.

1592
01:27:32,913 --> 01:27:35,879
They were extremely close. Extremely.

1593
01:27:35,881 --> 01:27:37,946
You know, Marcus got
married at O.J.'s house.

1594
01:27:39,749 --> 01:27:43,082
I think she always
festered a crush for Marcus.

1595
01:27:43,084 --> 01:27:45,750
And he was the only person in her life

1596
01:27:45,752 --> 01:27:49,118
that was as famous and as strong as O.J.

1597
01:27:50,354 --> 01:27:53,820
And so I think she felt in a
way that she was safe with him.

1598
01:27:58,891 --> 01:28:00,589
O.J. said, "Marcus, we're 'SC guys.

1599
01:28:01,926 --> 01:28:04,444
We don't do that to each other.
What the hell's wrong with you?"

1600
01:28:06,961 --> 01:28:09,427
He was a younger version of O.J.

1601
01:28:09,429 --> 01:28:12,961
He was almost like the
newer, bigger, better version.

1602
01:28:14,131 --> 01:28:16,963
I had no... no idea whatsoever,

1603
01:28:16,965 --> 01:28:21,032
uh, that they were carrying
on some kind of affair.

1604
01:28:21,034 --> 01:28:22,132
I was a bit stunned.

1605
01:28:23,436 --> 01:28:26,835
Did you ever have a romantic
relationship with Nicole?

1606
01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:29,235
No, I did not.

1607
01:28:29,237 --> 01:28:32,538
No kind of sexual or romantic involvement

1608
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:33,638
did you ever have with her?

1609
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,005
None whatsoever.

1610
01:28:36,108 --> 01:28:38,973
I really do not wanna
talk about that at all.

1611
01:28:40,075 --> 01:28:42,308
Sometimes I'll try to sing,
but I'm not gonna do it.

1612
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:44,376
Tonight I got this tequila in me.

1613
01:28:44,378 --> 01:28:46,943
The girl I came here with said to me,

1614
01:28:46,945 --> 01:28:48,545
"Is this a blues place?"

1615
01:28:48,547 --> 01:28:50,312
I said, "Oh, no, no, no.
This is rhythm and blues."

1616
01:28:51,147 --> 01:28:53,613
Speaking of that lady
I was talking about...

1617
01:28:53,615 --> 01:28:54,547
There she is.

1618
01:28:54,549 --> 01:28:56,114
With another shot of this tequila.

1619
01:28:56,116 --> 01:28:57,315
Now, watch her... Yeah, that's right.

1620
01:28:57,317 --> 01:28:58,315
Now, watch her sing.

1621
01:28:58,317 --> 01:29:00,082
I don't know if... Oh, my God.

1622
01:29:01,219 --> 01:29:02,218
That's right.

1623
01:29:03,052 --> 01:29:04,918
We're live right now all across America,

1624
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,453
and she is my woman.

1625
01:29:07,788 --> 01:29:09,120
I'm taking her tequila.

1626
01:29:09,122 --> 01:29:10,720
That's why I'm not singing tonight.

1627
01:29:11,924 --> 01:29:14,389
When they initially got back together,

1628
01:29:14,391 --> 01:29:15,990
I was the first person she told about it.

1629
01:29:16,892 --> 01:29:19,891
He had told her, "I'm
changed. I'm a new man.

1630
01:29:19,893 --> 01:29:21,125
Let me prove this to ya."

1631
01:29:22,628 --> 01:29:26,928
She said, "We're gonna date first,
and I'm not giving up my house,

1632
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:29,095
and we're gonna see how it goes."

1633
01:29:29,097 --> 01:29:31,963
That was how they tried to reconcile.

1634
01:29:31,965 --> 01:29:36,032
She said all she really
ever wanted was her family.

1635
01:29:38,935 --> 01:29:43,569
It's almost like she risked everything
to have that unit back together.

1636
01:29:50,507 --> 01:29:52,272
911 Emergency. What is the... ?

1637
01:29:52,274 --> 01:29:55,440
Can you get someone over
here now, to 325 Gretna Green?

1638
01:29:55,442 --> 01:29:57,007
He's back. Please.

1639
01:29:57,009 --> 01:29:58,575
Okay. What does he look like?

1640
01:29:58,577 --> 01:30:00,943
He's O.J. Simpson. I
think you know his record.

1641
01:30:00,945 --> 01:30:02,743
Could you just send somebody over here?

1642
01:30:02,745 --> 01:30:03,910
Okay. What is he doing there?

1643
01:30:03,912 --> 01:30:05,512
He's just... All this again.

1644
01:30:05,514 --> 01:30:07,313
Could you just send somebody over?

1645
01:30:07,315 --> 01:30:08,613
Wait a minute. What kind of car is he... ?

1646
01:30:08,615 --> 01:30:10,180
We were filming another Naked Gun movie,

1647
01:30:10,182 --> 01:30:13,281
and it was the first time
I can remember him being

1648
01:30:13,283 --> 01:30:15,716
just in one of the foulest moods ever.

1649
01:30:16,785 --> 01:30:18,784
And he said, "It's just Nicole bullshit."

1650
01:30:18,786 --> 01:30:20,651
First of all, he broke the back door down

1651
01:30:20,653 --> 01:30:21,818
to get in before...

1652
01:30:21,820 --> 01:30:22,953
Okay. Wait a minute. What's your name?

1653
01:30:22,955 --> 01:30:24,954
Nicole Simpson.

1654
01:30:24,955 --> 01:30:26,954
Okay. Is he the sportscaster or whatever?

1655
01:30:26,957 --> 01:30:27,988
- Yeah.
- Okay.

1656
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:29,155
Thank you.

1657
01:30:29,157 --> 01:30:30,690
My ex-girlfriend approached
him on the movie set

1658
01:30:30,692 --> 01:30:32,357
and said some very disparaging things

1659
01:30:32,359 --> 01:30:33,358
about Nicole and myself,

1660
01:30:34,493 --> 01:30:37,526
so I knew that O.J. was
gonna take it out on Nicole.

1661
01:30:37,528 --> 01:30:38,659
Wait a minute, we're sending police.

1662
01:30:38,661 --> 01:30:40,427
What is he doing? Is he threatening you?

1663
01:30:40,429 --> 01:30:41,660
I... He's fucking going nuts.

1664
01:30:43,663 --> 01:30:46,029
You're gonna hear him in a minute.
He's about to come in again.

1665
01:30:46,031 --> 01:30:46,996
Okay, just stay on the line...

1666
01:30:46,998 --> 01:30:48,297
I don't wanna stay on the line.

1667
01:30:48,299 --> 01:30:49,865
He's gonna beat the shit out of me.

1668
01:30:49,867 --> 01:30:51,649
Wait a minute, would you?
Just stay on the line,

1669
01:30:51,650 --> 01:30:53,432
so we can know what's going on
'til the police get there, okay?

1670
01:30:54,802 --> 01:30:57,868
It wasn't until years later
that I actually sat down,

1671
01:30:57,870 --> 01:31:00,035
and I had even listened to the 911 call.

1672
01:31:00,037 --> 01:31:03,837
I knew different voices for
Nicole, and she wasn't mad,

1673
01:31:03,839 --> 01:31:04,958
she definitely wasn't drunk.

1674
01:31:05,707 --> 01:31:06,938
She's terrified.

1675
01:31:06,940 --> 01:31:10,540
And that was heartbreaking.
That was heartbreaking.

1676
01:31:10,542 --> 01:31:11,542
- Okay, Nicole.
- Uh-huh?

1677
01:31:12,776 --> 01:31:14,175
Just a moment. Does he have any weapons?

1678
01:31:14,177 --> 01:31:15,177
I don't know.

1679
01:31:15,611 --> 01:31:16,843
Okay.

1680
01:31:16,845 --> 01:31:18,978
He went home, and now he's back.

1681
01:31:18,980 --> 01:31:21,512
The kids are up there sleeping,
and I don't want anything to happen.

1682
01:31:21,514 --> 01:31:22,778
Okay, just a moment.

1683
01:31:23,948 --> 01:31:25,914
When you hear O.J.'s
voice, what do you hear?

1684
01:31:27,817 --> 01:31:28,915
Rage.

1685
01:31:37,988 --> 01:31:39,653
Is he inside right now?

1686
01:31:39,655 --> 01:31:41,087
- Yes. Yes.
- Okay, just a moment.

1687
01:31:46,825 --> 01:31:51,192
All units, a domestic at
325 Gretna Green Way...

1688
01:31:54,028 --> 01:31:55,927
O.J., the kids are sleeping.

1689
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:07,999
Is he upset with something that you did?

1690
01:32:08,902 --> 01:32:12,434
Oh, a long time ago. It always comes back.

1691
01:32:14,737 --> 01:32:16,669
Has this happened before or no?

1692
01:32:16,671 --> 01:32:17,637
Many times.

1693
01:32:17,639 --> 01:32:18,638
Okay.

1694
01:32:22,407 --> 01:32:23,540
The police should be on the way.

1695
01:32:23,542 --> 01:32:25,173
It just seems like a long time

1696
01:32:25,175 --> 01:32:27,874
because it's kind of busy
in that division right now.

1697
01:32:33,812 --> 01:32:38,012
When she left him for good,
she called me, and she's like,

1698
01:32:38,014 --> 01:32:40,113
"Yep, this is it, Robin."

1699
01:32:41,016 --> 01:32:44,916
She said, "This is it.
I'm done. I'm done."

1700
01:32:44,918 --> 01:32:47,149
She goes, "I don't even... I have no
feeling for him whatsoever anymore.

1701
01:32:47,151 --> 01:32:48,151
It's just over."

1702
01:32:49,085 --> 01:32:52,652
She was free, and she
was happy without him,

1703
01:32:52,654 --> 01:32:56,487
and I think he knew it was really over.

1704
01:32:59,890 --> 01:33:02,890
The day she changed, it
was like a light switch.

1705
01:33:02,892 --> 01:33:07,325
He spiraled, from that day
on. Everything was different.

1706
01:33:07,327 --> 01:33:09,826
Who he was, that persona,
everything was gone.

1707
01:33:10,762 --> 01:33:16,763
She wasn't chasing him anymore
and it... it spun him out.

1708
01:33:18,265 --> 01:33:21,431
We all believed that right
toward the very end when, uh,

1709
01:33:21,433 --> 01:33:23,399
they had split up, after Mother's Day,

1710
01:33:23,401 --> 01:33:25,433
that Nicole was not seeing Marcus again.

1711
01:33:25,435 --> 01:33:27,868
I absolutely believed that she was.

1712
01:33:27,870 --> 01:33:29,735
And O.J. told Nicole,

1713
01:33:29,737 --> 01:33:32,236
"You ever see Marcus
again, I will kill you."

1714
01:33:35,006 --> 01:33:39,573
This was obviously "I'm...
I'm gonna get back at you, O.J.

1715
01:33:39,575 --> 01:33:41,941
I don't care what it takes,
I'm gonna humiliate you."

1716
01:33:44,610 --> 01:33:46,342
If she did it,

1717
01:33:46,344 --> 01:33:50,044
it was more for her
own personal rebellion,

1718
01:33:50,046 --> 01:33:53,111
it was more for her saying to herself,

1719
01:33:53,113 --> 01:33:56,913
"I'm gonna date who I want,
I'm gonna go where I want,

1720
01:33:56,915 --> 01:34:01,282
I'm gonna be friends
with who I want. I'm free.

1721
01:34:01,284 --> 01:34:04,483
You have lost me, O.J. Watch me run."

1722
01:34:07,421 --> 01:34:09,285
I think there was something about her

1723
01:34:09,287 --> 01:34:12,654
that was almost unattainable to him.

1724
01:34:14,457 --> 01:34:16,989
Something that he couldn't quite control.

1725
01:34:22,727 --> 01:34:26,226
And I think that that was
part of the attraction.

1726
01:34:26,228 --> 01:34:30,795
And I think, in the final analysis,
that's what got her killed.