1 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,812 It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much 2 00:00:42,813 --> 00:00:45,774 as a living, severely maimed plaintiff. 3 00:00:45,775 --> 00:00:48,401 However, if it's a long, agonizing death, 4 00:00:48,402 --> 00:00:51,032 as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, 5 00:00:51,033 --> 00:00:53,617 the value can rise considerably. 6 00:00:53,618 --> 00:00:57,498 A dead adult in his 20s is worth less than a middle-aged one, 7 00:00:57,499 --> 00:01:00,000 a dead woman less than a dead man, 8 00:01:00,001 --> 00:01:02,837 single adults less than married, 9 00:01:02,838 --> 00:01:06,925 black less than white, poor less than rich. 10 00:01:06,926 --> 00:01:10,469 But the perfect victim is a white, male, professional - 11 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:13,600 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, 12 00:01:13,601 --> 00:01:16,227 struck down in his prime. 13 00:01:16,228 --> 00:01:18,897 And the most imperfect? 14 00:01:18,898 --> 00:01:22,027 Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, 15 00:01:22,028 --> 00:01:24,733 a dead child is worth least of all. 16 00:01:28,577 --> 00:01:30,246 A million dollars he turns down. 17 00:01:30,247 --> 00:01:33,957 - One million dollars! - I don't believe their story. 18 00:01:33,958 --> 00:01:36,377 - It's true. - Come on! 19 00:01:36,378 --> 00:01:39,214 - Hey, Eddie. How you doing? - Good. 20 00:01:39,215 --> 00:01:41,425 Do me a favor - shut the fuck up. 21 00:01:41,426 --> 00:01:45,513 Our banker there doesn't know Jan refused a million. 22 00:01:45,514 --> 00:01:47,720 - Sorry. - Yeah. 23 00:01:50,895 --> 00:01:52,769 Asshole. 24 00:02:15,258 --> 00:02:18,176 How's your head? Up? 25 00:02:21,932 --> 00:02:25,848 How's that? OK? Are you comfortable? 26 00:02:27,189 --> 00:02:29,478 Open? 27 00:02:37,744 --> 00:02:40,032 Here we go. 28 00:02:48,923 --> 00:02:51,000 All rise. 29 00:02:52,844 --> 00:02:54,968 This court is now in session. 30 00:02:55,056 --> 00:02:58,892 The Honorable Constance Mullen presiding. 31 00:02:58,893 --> 00:03:00,970 Would you like some water? 32 00:03:01,438 --> 00:03:04,190 Carney versus Massachusetts General Hospital - 33 00:03:04,275 --> 00:03:06,980 case number 812725. 34 00:03:09,615 --> 00:03:12,403 Attorneys, please state your appearance. 35 00:03:12,494 --> 00:03:14,367 Randolph Woodside, Mass General. 36 00:03:15,455 --> 00:03:17,662 Greg Monk, Massachusetts General Hospital. 37 00:03:18,584 --> 00:03:20,209 Harold Peshniak, Mass General. 38 00:03:21,296 --> 00:03:23,039 Jan Schlichtmann for Paul Carney. 39 00:03:23,131 --> 00:03:26,759 Kevin Conway for Mr Carney, Your Honor. 40 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,046 Mr Schlichtmann, we're ready for your opening statement. 41 00:03:54,043 --> 00:03:57,128 Your Honor, if it please the court, 42 00:03:57,213 --> 00:04:00,215 the parties involved have agreed to a settlement. 43 00:05:11,261 --> 00:05:14,013 Personal injury law has a bad reputation. 44 00:05:14,098 --> 00:05:16,850 They call us ambulance chasers, bottom feeders, 45 00:05:16,934 --> 00:05:19,938 vultures preying on the misfortunes of others. 46 00:05:19,939 --> 00:05:24,186 If that's true, why do I lie awake worrying about my clients? 47 00:05:24,276 --> 00:05:27,112 Why is their pain my pain? 48 00:05:27,196 --> 00:05:32,323 I wish I didn't empathize. It'd be a lot easier. 49 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:56,642 We're speaking to Jan Schlichtmann, personal injury attorney 50 00:05:56,732 --> 00:05:59,769 and according to Boston magazine - have you seen this? - 51 00:05:59,861 --> 00:06:03,112 one of Boston's ten most eligible bachelors. 52 00:06:16,547 --> 00:06:19,170 Let's go back to the phones. Woburn, you're on the air. 53 00:06:21,888 --> 00:06:23,383 Mr Schlichtmann, it's Anne Anderson. 54 00:06:23,473 --> 00:06:25,466 - Hello. - How are you? 55 00:06:25,558 --> 00:06:28,097 Very well. You? Sounds pretty. 56 00:06:29,188 --> 00:06:31,228 How come you never call me? 57 00:06:31,315 --> 00:06:34,934 - If I had your number, I would. - You have it. 58 00:06:35,028 --> 00:06:38,813 - I do? - You have no idea who I am? 59 00:06:38,908 --> 00:06:41,446 - Is this Ricky? - No. 60 00:06:41,536 --> 00:06:44,822 You see, my son died of leukemia two years ago. 61 00:06:44,915 --> 00:06:48,035 - Your firm is handling the case. - We are? 62 00:06:48,128 --> 00:06:50,963 The reason I'm calling you here 63 00:06:51,047 --> 00:06:56,090 is because my calls to your offices have gone unreturned for weeks. 64 00:06:56,179 --> 00:06:58,505 - Sorry, your name was? - Anne. 65 00:06:58,598 --> 00:07:00,767 - Anne... - Anderson. 66 00:07:00,768 --> 00:07:05,265 I'm writing that down. I'm gonna take care of this. 67 00:07:07,651 --> 00:07:09,442 Why don't you come up to Woburn 68 00:07:09,528 --> 00:07:14,238 and actually meet a few of those people whose pain is your pain? 69 00:07:17,496 --> 00:07:19,205 Let me picture this. 70 00:07:19,290 --> 00:07:23,289 She called you, she cried. You felt sorry and you cried. 71 00:07:23,378 --> 00:07:26,712 - Now she's mad. - It's a good case. 72 00:07:26,799 --> 00:07:30,168 - She's not crying now! - An orphan, but good. 73 00:07:30,261 --> 00:07:34,129 12 deaths over 15 years from leukemia - eight of them children. 74 00:07:34,224 --> 00:07:37,808 - That's unusual? - Statistically. It's a small town. 75 00:07:37,896 --> 00:07:39,355 She lost a child? 76 00:07:40,482 --> 00:07:43,934 They think it's something to do with the city's drinking water 77 00:07:44,028 --> 00:07:45,902 which they say tastes funny. 78 00:07:45,988 --> 00:07:48,115 What was she like before? 79 00:07:48,116 --> 00:07:51,870 - Do want to hear what it's about? - No, I don't! 80 00:07:51,871 --> 00:07:54,445 I'd like to hear about it. 81 00:07:56,668 --> 00:07:59,045 Thank you, Kathy. 82 00:07:59,046 --> 00:08:01,751 There's a report here from state inspectors 83 00:08:01,841 --> 00:08:04,878 saying that the water from two city wells 84 00:08:04,969 --> 00:08:08,421 is contaminated - or was before they shut them down - 85 00:08:08,516 --> 00:08:11,802 with something called... I can't pronounce this... 86 00:08:11,895 --> 00:08:14,018 trichloroethylene... ethylene, 87 00:08:14,105 --> 00:08:16,680 which the EPA lists as a probable carcinogen. 88 00:08:16,775 --> 00:08:18,603 - Stop. - There's more. 89 00:08:18,695 --> 00:08:23,938 No, from a financial standpoint, this is not a sound investment. 90 00:08:24,035 --> 00:08:26,360 Probable is a euphemism for unproven. 91 00:08:26,454 --> 00:08:29,870 To prove something like this, you need new medical research. 92 00:08:29,958 --> 00:08:32,331 Is that our business - medical research? 93 00:08:32,419 --> 00:08:36,881 And... and ask yourself, why is this an orphan? 94 00:08:36,967 --> 00:08:40,383 It's been kicked around before ending up on your desk. 95 00:08:40,471 --> 00:08:43,223 Gordon's right. 96 00:08:43,224 --> 00:08:47,061 I can appreciate the theatrical value of dead kids. 97 00:08:47,062 --> 00:08:51,856 That's good. But that's all it has going for it, and it's not enough. 98 00:08:52,986 --> 00:08:55,026 I'll get rid of it. 99 00:08:56,365 --> 00:08:59,699 I'll... just go up there and... 100 00:08:59,786 --> 00:09:04,115 You'll both start to cry again, she'll be mad at me. 101 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:08,372 I'll do it. I'll get rid of it. Give it to me. 102 00:09:11,425 --> 00:09:13,085 Thank you. 103 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:25,103 - There you go, sir. - Thank you. 104 00:09:25,191 --> 00:09:27,065 - Drive careful. - Yeah. 105 00:09:35,662 --> 00:09:37,702 When I stand on my porch, 106 00:09:37,789 --> 00:09:39,830 I can see the houses where children died. 107 00:09:41,503 --> 00:09:45,631 These are the Kanes, the Toomeys, the Zohners, 108 00:09:45,716 --> 00:09:49,500 the Robbins and the Aufieros. 109 00:09:49,595 --> 00:09:52,169 Now, I want to be clear. 110 00:09:52,265 --> 00:09:55,302 I'm not interested in money - none of us are. 111 00:09:55,394 --> 00:10:00,437 What we want is to know what happened. And we want an apology. 112 00:10:00,526 --> 00:10:03,196 - From who? - Whoever did this. 113 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:07,147 I want somebody to come and say, "We're responsible. 114 00:10:07,242 --> 00:10:10,327 "We didn't mean it, but we're sorry." 115 00:10:10,412 --> 00:10:12,453 But who is that? 116 00:10:14,458 --> 00:10:16,831 Well, we don't know. 117 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,835 Mrs Anderson, our firm is very small, just three attorneys. 118 00:10:20,924 --> 00:10:24,341 We can only take so many cases at once 119 00:10:24,429 --> 00:10:28,843 and we have to be choosy because, frankly, we can't afford to lose. 120 00:10:28,935 --> 00:10:33,977 We pay everything. We only get paid if we win or settle. 121 00:10:34,066 --> 00:10:36,937 - I know. - You want an apology. 122 00:10:37,028 --> 00:10:41,109 And I'd love to get you that apology, but from who? 123 00:10:41,199 --> 00:10:45,032 Who is going to apologize to you and pay me? 124 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,490 There has to be a defendant with very deep pockets. 125 00:10:48,583 --> 00:10:51,787 This is not an inexpensive case to try. 126 00:10:55,090 --> 00:10:57,463 There's an old tannery out there. 127 00:10:57,552 --> 00:10:59,426 A tannery? 128 00:10:59,513 --> 00:11:02,087 And some other small factories. 129 00:11:07,605 --> 00:11:11,521 I really wish I could help you but I can't. I'm sorry. 130 00:11:11,611 --> 00:11:17,318 Maybe you could go out to the river, to the wells, and look. 131 00:11:17,410 --> 00:11:21,194 For what? What would that accomplish? 132 00:11:25,502 --> 00:11:29,632 I do hope you find someone. And I am sorry. 133 00:11:42,815 --> 00:11:46,350 - Thank you very much. - Drive carefully. 134 00:14:48,705 --> 00:14:50,948 It was fate. 135 00:14:51,041 --> 00:14:56,000 I was meant to get that ticket, at that moment, at that exact spot. 136 00:14:57,090 --> 00:14:59,213 Do you know who Beatrice is? 137 00:15:02,638 --> 00:15:04,797 Peter Pan peanut butter, 138 00:15:04,891 --> 00:15:06,220 Tropicana orange juice, 139 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:07,852 Rosarita Mexican Food, 140 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:11,970 Swiss Miss cocoa, Samsonite luggage... The list goes on! 141 00:15:12,066 --> 00:15:14,818 - And the other one? - W.R. Grace. 142 00:15:14,819 --> 00:15:16,778 Chemical plants in two dozen states, 143 00:15:16,779 --> 00:15:18,690 South America, Europe and Japan. 144 00:15:18,783 --> 00:15:20,941 - What's this? - The ticket. 145 00:15:21,035 --> 00:15:23,871 No, I've got that right here. 146 00:15:23,955 --> 00:15:28,168 - I got two speeding tickets. - A two-ticket town? 147 00:15:28,253 --> 00:15:30,744 Exactly. Don't take your Caddie there. 148 00:15:30,839 --> 00:15:34,926 Kevin, it's a gold mine. You almost let it get away. 149 00:15:34,927 --> 00:15:37,680 I almost let it get away. 150 00:15:42,019 --> 00:15:45,519 Lawsuits are war - it's as simple as that. 151 00:15:45,606 --> 00:15:49,688 And they begin the same way, with a declaration of war - 152 00:15:49,779 --> 00:15:51,818 the complaint. 153 00:15:51,906 --> 00:15:54,741 When you're a small firm and they're big, 154 00:15:54,826 --> 00:15:56,985 steeped in history and wealth, 155 00:15:57,079 --> 00:15:59,452 with Persian carpets on the floor 156 00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:01,699 and Harvard diplomas on the walls, 157 00:16:01,793 --> 00:16:04,201 it's easy to be intimidated. 158 00:16:04,295 --> 00:16:06,621 Don't - that's what they want. 159 00:16:06,715 --> 00:16:09,551 That's what they expect, like all bullies. 160 00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:11,925 That's how they win. 161 00:16:13,181 --> 00:16:15,637 I don't run away from bullies. 162 00:16:41,883 --> 00:16:43,626 Mr Facher... 163 00:16:43,718 --> 00:16:47,170 Mr Doyle asked me to bring this to you. 164 00:16:57,610 --> 00:16:59,945 When? 165 00:16:59,946 --> 00:17:02,616 - When did he ask me? - Yeah. 166 00:17:02,699 --> 00:17:03,898 Just now. 167 00:17:03,993 --> 00:17:08,739 On your lunch break? That hardly seems fair. 168 00:17:08,831 --> 00:17:13,420 I almost never go to lunch, sir. Too much to do. 169 00:17:13,421 --> 00:17:15,460 I just grab something. 170 00:17:15,548 --> 00:17:19,417 You know, I'd make a point of taking an hour or so 171 00:17:19,511 --> 00:17:22,086 away from all the noise and insanity. 172 00:17:22,181 --> 00:17:23,640 I should do that. 173 00:17:23,724 --> 00:17:27,141 I'd find a place that was relatively quiet and peaceful, 174 00:17:27,229 --> 00:17:29,851 have a sandwich, read a magazine. 175 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:33,440 Maybe listen to a game if one was on. 176 00:17:35,197 --> 00:17:40,488 I'd make sure everyone knew not to disturb me during that hour. 177 00:17:40,579 --> 00:17:44,162 Because that would be my time - my own private time, 178 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:48,082 which no-one, if they had any sense of self-preservation, 179 00:17:48,171 --> 00:17:50,211 would dare interrupt. 180 00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:54,043 If I were you. 181 00:17:56,347 --> 00:17:57,427 I'm sorry. 182 00:18:16,997 --> 00:18:19,156 Jesus. 183 00:18:22,795 --> 00:18:24,705 Jesus! 184 00:18:32,140 --> 00:18:34,892 Jesus... 185 00:18:37,438 --> 00:18:41,271 Mr Facher, it's Bill Cheeseman - Foley, Hoag and Elliot. 186 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,068 We represent New York Grace. 187 00:18:43,154 --> 00:18:45,146 How you doing? 188 00:18:45,239 --> 00:18:49,072 Well, all right, I guess, under the circumstances. 189 00:18:49,161 --> 00:18:50,952 What circumstances are those? 190 00:18:51,038 --> 00:18:53,873 Woburn - these outrageous charges. 191 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:57,374 This bloodsucking ambulance chaser, Schlichtmann. 192 00:18:57,462 --> 00:18:59,005 Who? 193 00:18:59,089 --> 00:19:03,218 We're co-defendants in a lawsuit, Mr Facher, a very serious lawsuit. 194 00:19:03,302 --> 00:19:07,218 - What? - What is that thumping? 195 00:19:09,727 --> 00:19:13,596 Yeah, well, it's gone now. It was driving me crazy! 196 00:19:13,690 --> 00:19:17,392 I was wondering if I could talk to you. 197 00:19:17,486 --> 00:19:21,948 - Could we meet for a drink or... - What's on your mind? 198 00:19:22,033 --> 00:19:24,703 I'll tell you what I'm thinking. 199 00:19:24,786 --> 00:19:28,370 - Are you familiar with Rule 11? - With what? 200 00:19:28,457 --> 00:19:30,747 Rule 11, a civil provision 201 00:19:30,835 --> 00:19:33,872 to prevent frivolous and irresponsible lawsuits like this, 202 00:19:33,964 --> 00:19:37,001 and sanction quite severely those who file them. 203 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:42,349 Mr... Cheeseman. Cheeseman, is it? 204 00:19:44,936 --> 00:19:47,178 Mr Cheeseman. What is a fine? 205 00:19:47,272 --> 00:19:50,772 You get fined, you pay it and carry on. 206 00:19:50,860 --> 00:19:56,235 If you're gonna knock a guy down, do it so he can't get up again. 207 00:19:59,536 --> 00:20:02,289 What are you looking for with this suit? 208 00:20:02,373 --> 00:20:05,043 Obviously, we're seeking compensation for the families 209 00:20:05,127 --> 00:20:08,662 and punitive damages for willful negligence by these companies. 210 00:20:08,756 --> 00:20:11,841 But is that what this is about - money? 211 00:20:11,926 --> 00:20:14,963 - No. - Is that what matters most? 212 00:20:15,055 --> 00:20:17,843 - No. - It's about this. 213 00:20:21,312 --> 00:20:23,140 And this. 214 00:20:26,611 --> 00:20:28,521 And this. 215 00:20:30,031 --> 00:20:31,692 Yeah. 216 00:20:33,077 --> 00:20:36,281 Yeah, I know, we have no feelings, no compassion, 217 00:20:36,372 --> 00:20:38,366 no empathy for our clients' suffering. 218 00:20:38,459 --> 00:20:40,203 Can I say something? 219 00:20:40,294 --> 00:20:43,130 What does that have to do with anything? 220 00:20:43,215 --> 00:20:45,884 The lawyer who shares his client's pain 221 00:20:45,967 --> 00:20:48,293 does his client such a grave disservice 222 00:20:48,387 --> 00:20:51,839 he should have his license to practice taken away. 223 00:20:51,933 --> 00:20:55,386 It clouds his judgement, and that's as useful 224 00:20:55,479 --> 00:20:58,647 as a doctor who's frightened of blood. 225 00:20:58,733 --> 00:20:59,729 All rise. 226 00:21:01,402 --> 00:21:03,479 This court is now in session. 227 00:21:03,572 --> 00:21:06,776 The Honorable Walter J Skinner presiding. 228 00:21:06,867 --> 00:21:08,908 Is this the only case? 229 00:21:08,995 --> 00:21:11,783 This is a lot of lawyers. 230 00:21:11,874 --> 00:21:13,700 Sit down. 231 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:22,635 You're looking well. The Red Sox must be in first place. 232 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,805 Roger Clemens is the answer to my prayers. 233 00:21:27,184 --> 00:21:29,176 You have some interest in this case? 234 00:21:29,269 --> 00:21:34,347 I'm a co-defendant, but it's not my motion. It's Foley-Hoag's. 235 00:21:34,442 --> 00:21:36,732 - And that motion? - Your Honor. 236 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:39,775 - I'm Jan Schlichtmann. - I know. Sit down. 237 00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:44,157 The matter before us seems simple. 238 00:21:44,246 --> 00:21:47,948 - Your Honor, it isn't. - May I hear it? 239 00:21:48,043 --> 00:21:51,087 The intention here is to place me 240 00:21:51,088 --> 00:21:54,005 under a cloud of impropriety. 241 00:21:54,091 --> 00:21:56,417 - Really? - Yes. What they're saying 242 00:21:56,510 --> 00:22:00,925 is that they know law and I don't, they're real lawyers and I'm not. 243 00:22:01,016 --> 00:22:03,222 They're just trying to humiliate me. 244 00:22:03,310 --> 00:22:08,816 You are a personal injury lawyer, aren't you? I think you'll survive. 245 00:22:09,735 --> 00:22:13,354 - See? It's starting already. - No, you've started already. 246 00:22:13,448 --> 00:22:15,774 I'm on the defensive, they're the defendants. 247 00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:19,487 Do you think I might hear this motion 248 00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:23,080 before You explain to ME what it's really about? 249 00:22:24,461 --> 00:22:26,917 - Of course. - Thank you. 250 00:22:28,633 --> 00:22:34,054 Now, Mr... Cheeseman, is it? 251 00:22:37,852 --> 00:22:40,177 Your motion to dismiss is based on? 252 00:22:40,271 --> 00:22:42,099 Rule 11, Your Honor. 253 00:22:42,191 --> 00:22:46,528 Specifically that Mr Schlichtmann had no evidential grounds 254 00:22:46,529 --> 00:22:48,736 on which to bring this suit - 255 00:22:48,823 --> 00:22:53,653 only his knowledge that W.R. Grace Corporation has a lot of money. 256 00:22:53,746 --> 00:22:55,157 Not true. 257 00:22:55,248 --> 00:22:59,461 He performed no real investigation, did no research of any consequence, 258 00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:02,831 except perhaps to review profit statements. 259 00:23:02,924 --> 00:23:07,503 And he's prepared his complaint so inexpertly as to render it moot. 260 00:23:07,596 --> 00:23:11,642 - All untrue. - Do you know what Rule 11 is? 261 00:23:11,726 --> 00:23:15,476 To be honest, Your Honor, I had to look it up. 262 00:23:15,564 --> 00:23:21,319 I'll be honest, so did l. Do you know why, Mr Cheeseman? 263 00:23:21,405 --> 00:23:24,192 Because it is so old and ambiguous 264 00:23:24,283 --> 00:23:27,653 few lawyers waste their time with it, or mine. 265 00:23:27,746 --> 00:23:32,289 It's a non-issue, Mr Cheeseman. Your motion is denied. Thank you. 266 00:23:32,376 --> 00:23:34,203 Thank you. 267 00:23:34,295 --> 00:23:36,834 - Anything else? - No, Your Honor. 268 00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:38,832 Set a trial date. 269 00:23:38,925 --> 00:23:42,711 Excuse me, Mr Facher. I'd like to thank you. 270 00:23:42,805 --> 00:23:47,219 That was very statesman-like of you not to join that ridiculous attack. 271 00:23:49,522 --> 00:23:51,431 You're welcome. 272 00:23:54,694 --> 00:23:56,901 We have to show how 273 00:23:56,989 --> 00:24:00,572 the toxic solvents these factories dumped on the land there, 274 00:24:00,659 --> 00:24:05,655 were drawn into the city wells here and Well H over there, 275 00:24:05,749 --> 00:24:08,455 and then pumped into east Woburn homes. 276 00:24:08,544 --> 00:24:12,044 So I'll need to inspect and map the debris, 277 00:24:12,132 --> 00:24:14,467 drill some monitoring wells, 278 00:24:14,468 --> 00:24:18,222 conduct seismic tests, and so on. 279 00:24:18,223 --> 00:24:22,268 And you're talking about you and a couple of assistants? 280 00:24:22,352 --> 00:24:25,723 No. I mean a team of geologists and engineers. 281 00:24:25,816 --> 00:24:29,102 - A team? - A big team. 282 00:24:32,573 --> 00:24:34,566 It's actually quite exciting. 283 00:24:34,659 --> 00:24:38,409 The nature of the contour here means there's an effect - 284 00:24:38,497 --> 00:24:40,157 named after me, actually... 285 00:24:43,878 --> 00:24:49,122 In the shop, Mr Roberts, you used solvents to clean brushes? 286 00:24:50,762 --> 00:24:55,757 What would you've done with that stuff back in the 1970s and '80s? 287 00:24:55,851 --> 00:25:00,898 - Used solvent? Put it in drums. - 35-gallon drums? 288 00:25:00,899 --> 00:25:03,521 What would you do with full drums? 289 00:25:03,611 --> 00:25:06,281 - Don't know. - They just went? 290 00:25:06,364 --> 00:25:09,531 - Never noticed. - Did you dump them? 291 00:25:09,618 --> 00:25:13,079 - No. - Nothing like that? 292 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,497 - Never noticed anyone who did? - No. 293 00:25:16,584 --> 00:25:19,629 Just disappeared... 294 00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:22,300 What were your duties at Grace, Mr Shalline? 295 00:25:22,383 --> 00:25:28,257 Discharge to the drains. Be sure we weren't polluting the air. 296 00:25:28,349 --> 00:25:33,855 Then you know that chemicals were deposited behind the plant? 297 00:25:33,939 --> 00:25:35,978 I don't know that. 298 00:25:36,066 --> 00:25:38,439 Six barrels of toxic waste 299 00:25:38,527 --> 00:25:42,775 were found there in a pit and exhumed by city inspectors. 300 00:25:42,866 --> 00:25:44,859 - You didn't know? - Nope. 301 00:25:44,952 --> 00:25:49,999 Back in 1965 did you clean metal parts with solvent? 302 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,162 Yes. 303 00:25:51,251 --> 00:25:53,956 - What kind? - That I couldn't say. 304 00:25:54,046 --> 00:25:58,793 Did you ever notice the name trichloroethylene or TCE? 305 00:25:58,886 --> 00:26:00,130 I don't know. 306 00:26:00,220 --> 00:26:04,599 But you'd put it in barrels when you were finished, right? 307 00:26:04,684 --> 00:26:05,716 Yes. 308 00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:10,356 Did you ever see what happened to these barrels? 309 00:26:10,357 --> 00:26:11,354 Yes. 310 00:26:21,621 --> 00:26:23,032 What was that? 311 00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:30,037 - They get dumped. - Where? 312 00:26:30,131 --> 00:26:33,667 - Out back, in the ground. - You saw this? 313 00:26:33,761 --> 00:26:35,219 Yes. 314 00:26:35,304 --> 00:26:37,178 - When? - My coffee break. 315 00:26:37,265 --> 00:26:42,011 I would go out and hit nine-iron shots with golf balls. 316 00:26:42,104 --> 00:26:44,144 Do you want a break? 317 00:26:44,231 --> 00:26:47,933 - Do you need a break? - No. 318 00:26:48,028 --> 00:26:52,904 Did you see who was dumping the stuff while hitting golf balls? 319 00:26:53,993 --> 00:26:58,537 - What do you mean? - The names of people. 320 00:27:01,711 --> 00:27:03,669 He wants to tell us. 321 00:27:03,755 --> 00:27:07,456 He won't tell us. He has to work there. 322 00:27:07,551 --> 00:27:13,139 But he lives near Anne Anderson. He sees her every day. 323 00:27:40,967 --> 00:27:45,380 - Mr Love, do you have any children? - Yes, I do. 324 00:27:45,472 --> 00:27:47,465 - Eight of them. - Eight? 325 00:27:47,558 --> 00:27:50,762 My goodness! That's quite a family. 326 00:27:51,979 --> 00:27:55,816 What do you think of the water in Woburn? 327 00:27:55,817 --> 00:27:58,225 Now? It's all right. 328 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,812 What about then, 15 years ago? 329 00:28:00,907 --> 00:28:04,987 It had an odor then. Chlorine or something. 330 00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:09,160 - Did you drink it? - Yeah. 331 00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:12,869 - The kids? - Yes. 332 00:28:15,091 --> 00:28:18,543 Were you concerned when you found the wells were contaminated? 333 00:28:18,637 --> 00:28:22,505 I object to that. You don't have to answer that. 334 00:28:24,978 --> 00:28:28,727 - Yeah, I was concerned. - For your family? 335 00:28:28,815 --> 00:28:29,811 Yes. 336 00:28:29,901 --> 00:28:33,981 Has any member of your family had any unusual illness? 337 00:28:34,072 --> 00:28:39,286 You don't have to answer any of these type of questions. 338 00:28:39,287 --> 00:28:41,279 - Yeah. - What kind? 339 00:28:41,372 --> 00:28:43,365 One of my sons has seizures, 340 00:28:43,458 --> 00:28:46,413 my eldest daughter has had two miscarriages 341 00:28:46,504 --> 00:28:48,544 and my youngest was born with... 342 00:28:48,631 --> 00:28:52,131 Are we going to go through their entire medical history? 343 00:28:52,219 --> 00:28:54,758 If you don't want to hear, leave. 344 00:28:54,847 --> 00:28:58,181 What's wrong? We're deposing Grace employees, not Beatrice. 345 00:28:58,268 --> 00:29:03,855 - I have a right to be here. - Then sit down and shut up! 346 00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:15,613 Mr Love, 347 00:29:15,705 --> 00:29:21,460 are you aware that some of your neighbors have had leukemia? 348 00:29:21,545 --> 00:29:23,254 Yes, I am. 349 00:29:24,632 --> 00:29:26,673 They think it's the water. 350 00:29:27,761 --> 00:29:31,807 Al, that water hasn't made anybody sick. 351 00:29:33,852 --> 00:29:38,645 - How do you know? - I just do. 352 00:29:39,859 --> 00:29:42,944 A lot of people in my neighborhood are dead, 353 00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:45,604 or dying, Mr Chessman, from something. 354 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:51,030 Look, if I took a hundred pennies 355 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,449 and threw them in the air, 356 00:29:53,543 --> 00:29:57,296 half would land heads and half tails, right? 357 00:29:57,297 --> 00:30:01,759 Looking close, I'd probably find some heads grouped together. 358 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,262 Does that mean anything? 359 00:30:04,263 --> 00:30:07,680 You see, no one knows what causes leukemia, Al. 360 00:30:07,768 --> 00:30:12,231 No one knows what caused that cluster. 361 00:30:12,232 --> 00:30:16,444 I know what happened. And I know who did it. 362 00:30:21,868 --> 00:30:23,908 Al, this is very important. 363 00:30:25,122 --> 00:30:28,243 I want you to tell me who those people are. 364 00:30:28,334 --> 00:30:31,462 I'm not a rat. 365 00:30:31,463 --> 00:30:33,547 You know, it's important, 366 00:30:33,548 --> 00:30:36,419 because if there is something wrong, 367 00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:39,547 we need to disclose it to the authorities. 368 00:30:39,639 --> 00:30:43,768 We need to get them out there and have it cleaned up. 369 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:48,850 You think about that and call me. 370 00:30:48,942 --> 00:30:50,852 Yeah. Yeah. 371 00:31:16,976 --> 00:31:19,134 Do you eat peanut butter? 372 00:31:20,647 --> 00:31:22,058 No. 373 00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:23,857 You've never eaten peanut butter? 374 00:31:23,943 --> 00:31:26,399 I guess everyone alive has tried it, 375 00:31:26,488 --> 00:31:29,573 but I'm not a peanut butter fan. 376 00:31:31,243 --> 00:31:34,529 Did your son ever eat peanut butter? 377 00:31:37,083 --> 00:31:40,784 - Do you eat bacon? - Yes. 378 00:31:40,879 --> 00:31:44,249 - Yes. - How often? How many slices? 379 00:31:47,637 --> 00:31:50,473 Do you have Teflon pans in your kitchen? 380 00:31:50,558 --> 00:31:54,010 Do you chew sugarless gum? Do you pump your own gas? 381 00:31:54,104 --> 00:31:57,723 Do you use hair spray? Do you use artificial sweeteners? 382 00:31:57,817 --> 00:32:01,898 Smoke cigarettes? Drink diet soda? Use tampons? 383 00:32:01,988 --> 00:32:03,898 Are your clothes ever dry-cleaned? 384 00:32:03,991 --> 00:32:07,277 Do you have silver fillings in your teeth? 385 00:32:09,247 --> 00:32:14,325 You knew when you moved to Woburn that its water didn't taste good? 386 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:18,548 Yeah, but lots of places the water doesn't taste so good. 387 00:32:18,633 --> 00:32:20,543 I agree with that. 388 00:32:20,636 --> 00:32:23,092 Did you ever consider using bottled water? 389 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:27,261 We used bottled water off and on, split half and half. 390 00:32:27,352 --> 00:32:31,303 Like... we cooked with regular water - tap water. 391 00:32:31,399 --> 00:32:34,436 We did other things, like make orange juice. 392 00:32:34,528 --> 00:32:37,197 But to... drink just straight water, we drank bottled water. 393 00:32:39,491 --> 00:32:44,036 Has a doctor ever said that you have any immune system dysfunction? 394 00:32:44,123 --> 00:32:49,996 No. But when my son died, they told us that was why he died. 395 00:32:50,088 --> 00:32:52,626 His immune system was... 396 00:32:53,717 --> 00:32:55,757 tore down to nothing. 397 00:33:01,393 --> 00:33:05,522 - Why did you have an autopsy? - Because he was doing good. 398 00:33:05,523 --> 00:33:09,152 He only lived three months with leukemia 399 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:11,192 and he looked fine. 400 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,448 Did you talk to the doctor about this? 401 00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:18,533 I had more like a violent talk with him. 402 00:33:20,207 --> 00:33:24,253 - "Violent"? You were angry? - Yelling at him. 403 00:33:24,254 --> 00:33:28,383 Your son seemed to be doing all right. He was in remission? 404 00:33:28,467 --> 00:33:30,757 You were optimistic about his future 405 00:33:30,845 --> 00:33:33,763 and suddenly he became ill and died. 406 00:33:33,849 --> 00:33:36,388 And they said that was expected - 407 00:33:36,477 --> 00:33:41,021 that anybody with a disease like leukemia could die any minute. 408 00:33:42,776 --> 00:33:47,071 - But you were angry and upset. - My son just died. 409 00:33:47,156 --> 00:33:51,867 I understand, I'm just trying to recreate the event. 410 00:33:51,954 --> 00:33:55,904 You know when your child isn't well. 411 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,457 You try to explain on the phone 412 00:33:58,545 --> 00:34:01,167 and they say, "Has he got a temperature?" 413 00:34:01,257 --> 00:34:04,175 You say, "No." "He's all right, then," they say. 414 00:34:04,261 --> 00:34:07,547 "Don't worry - bring him into the clinic Monday." 415 00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:11,758 He died Monday morning. 416 00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:16,685 He was in the clinic when he died? 417 00:34:16,776 --> 00:34:18,353 No. 418 00:34:19,446 --> 00:34:23,396 He was in the car on the way. 419 00:34:33,003 --> 00:34:35,874 He died in the car on the way to the clinic? 420 00:34:35,965 --> 00:34:41,043 He died on l-93, up by the Somerville exit. 421 00:34:49,398 --> 00:34:53,611 My wife was yelling that he'd stopped breathing. 422 00:34:53,612 --> 00:34:58,440 I pulled over and tried to give him CPR. 423 00:35:00,453 --> 00:35:05,365 I was holding him in my lap. 424 00:35:08,128 --> 00:35:10,169 Lauren was... 425 00:35:11,257 --> 00:35:12,882 screaming. 426 00:35:15,263 --> 00:35:19,213 Cars and trucks rushing by. 427 00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:24,561 And... 428 00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:27,976 she helped... 429 00:35:31,407 --> 00:35:33,446 I'm sorry. 430 00:35:34,536 --> 00:35:36,575 It's all right. 431 00:35:39,709 --> 00:35:41,618 It's OK. 432 00:36:01,819 --> 00:36:03,894 These people can never testify. 433 00:36:03,987 --> 00:36:05,815 No. 434 00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:45,203 We'll have the first seven monitor wells in this area, 435 00:36:45,287 --> 00:36:47,280 in the permeable rock here. 436 00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:49,081 All right. There's seven? 437 00:36:49,167 --> 00:36:51,160 Yes. I did say only seven. 438 00:36:51,253 --> 00:36:53,923 Now we'll probably have 12, because... 439 00:36:54,006 --> 00:36:56,841 Hey! Hey! 440 00:36:59,762 --> 00:37:02,634 - Private property. - Yes, your property. 441 00:37:02,724 --> 00:37:04,884 My property and you're trespassing. 442 00:37:04,977 --> 00:37:07,136 - Here. - What the fuck is this? 443 00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:11,893 That's a court order, Mr Riley, giving me the right to be here, 444 00:37:11,985 --> 00:37:15,437 and to inspect every inch of your tannery, too. 445 00:37:15,531 --> 00:37:17,904 No, keep that. That's your copy. 446 00:37:20,913 --> 00:37:22,538 Let's go. 447 00:37:31,385 --> 00:37:36,180 I started working when I was seven years old, 448 00:37:36,181 --> 00:37:38,969 sweeping the beam house floors for my father, 449 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:43,770 which he swept for his father when he was seven years old. 450 00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:47,813 - Which my boys... - I know. They swept it, too. 451 00:37:47,904 --> 00:37:52,817 Please answer the question I asked. Silicone and trichloroethylene. 452 00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:54,737 These two chemicals mixed together 453 00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:57,996 are used to waterproof leather, are they not? 454 00:37:59,543 --> 00:38:03,162 I asked you a question, Mr Riley - again. 455 00:38:06,343 --> 00:38:10,127 Please inform your client that he's obligated to answer my question. 456 00:38:21,653 --> 00:38:24,323 Let the record show that the witness 457 00:38:24,406 --> 00:38:27,693 emptied a glass of water on my conference table. 458 00:38:27,785 --> 00:38:33,410 What exactly do you intend to say to me by pouring water on my table? 459 00:38:33,501 --> 00:38:37,202 It's how silicone is used to waterproof leather. 460 00:38:37,297 --> 00:38:39,124 I'm answering your question. 461 00:38:39,216 --> 00:38:44,211 It's poured on, like you poured water on my table. 462 00:38:44,305 --> 00:38:46,097 Yeah. Correct. 463 00:38:46,183 --> 00:38:49,220 So some of it must spill off the leather, 464 00:38:49,311 --> 00:38:51,684 Like the water spilling off my table... 465 00:38:51,773 --> 00:38:54,145 and onto my rug. 466 00:38:54,902 --> 00:38:57,227 That's the part I'm interested in. 467 00:38:58,989 --> 00:39:02,193 The spilled silicone and trichloroethylene, sir, 468 00:39:02,285 --> 00:39:04,325 how you disposed of that. 469 00:39:05,414 --> 00:39:10,042 - I never once used TCE. - TCE? Did I say TCE? 470 00:39:10,128 --> 00:39:12,500 I didn't say TCE. 471 00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:14,878 I said trichloroethylene. 472 00:39:18,471 --> 00:39:20,381 You said TCE - 473 00:39:20,474 --> 00:39:23,677 as it is commonly known... 474 00:39:23,769 --> 00:39:26,391 to those who know it. 475 00:39:27,565 --> 00:39:31,266 Mr Riley, would you mind if I checked your statements today 476 00:39:31,361 --> 00:39:34,898 against your records - invoices, purchase orders and formulas? 477 00:39:34,991 --> 00:39:40,662 No. Be my guest. They go back... three years. 478 00:39:40,747 --> 00:39:43,500 Everything before that, we dumped. 479 00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:56,349 - Jan, you're not listening. - You've been out there three times. 480 00:39:56,434 --> 00:39:58,972 I know why you find this unacceptable. 481 00:39:59,061 --> 00:40:02,728 But you don't know what it's like. Riley is Woburn. 482 00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:05,735 His employees are loyal subjects. They won't talk. 483 00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:08,941 Ex-employees, that's who you should be talking to. 484 00:40:09,032 --> 00:40:13,825 - Disgruntled employees, they talk. - You want me to go back there? 485 00:40:13,913 --> 00:40:19,074 This is THE case against Beatrice. He's a liar. Go back and catch him. 486 00:40:19,169 --> 00:40:22,589 - You got the medical records? - I can't... 487 00:40:22,590 --> 00:40:25,046 Just get it. 488 00:40:42,655 --> 00:40:46,357 This figure here, this 100 an hour for Dr Cohen, 489 00:40:46,452 --> 00:40:49,074 that seems fair, considering his pre-eminence. 490 00:40:49,164 --> 00:40:51,619 That's for his nights in the hotel. 491 00:40:51,708 --> 00:40:53,785 That's his discount sleeping rate. 492 00:40:55,588 --> 00:40:59,373 - Your doctors have cost 900,000. - They're worth it. 493 00:40:59,468 --> 00:41:03,680 - Your geologists over 500,000. - They're worth it. 494 00:41:03,764 --> 00:41:07,633 The point is, everybody here is working on this case. 495 00:41:07,728 --> 00:41:11,643 There's no money coming in - just going out. 496 00:41:11,732 --> 00:41:14,306 You want to cut our losses now? 497 00:41:14,402 --> 00:41:17,938 You want to get out and throw away 900 and... what? 498 00:41:18,032 --> 00:41:20,191 1 .4 million. 499 00:41:27,918 --> 00:41:31,003 There's certain things I've got to prove 500 00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:35,217 and I can't do that not spending money. 501 00:41:35,218 --> 00:41:37,259 We have to see Uncle Pete. 502 00:41:42,353 --> 00:41:46,303 - Where are we on the last loan... - Spent it. 503 00:41:46,399 --> 00:41:50,148 - How much of it? - All of it. 504 00:41:51,614 --> 00:41:54,022 And the Carney settlement? How much... 505 00:41:54,117 --> 00:41:57,652 - Spent it. - On? 506 00:41:57,746 --> 00:42:00,617 Woburn. We spend everything on Woburn now. 507 00:42:00,708 --> 00:42:03,330 On Woburn. 508 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:09,920 What will you need to tide you over? Two hundred? 509 00:42:10,011 --> 00:42:12,597 600,000. 510 00:42:12,598 --> 00:42:15,635 - 600,000? - Yeah. 511 00:42:18,479 --> 00:42:22,348 Pete, when was the last time you lost money betting on me? 512 00:42:22,443 --> 00:42:26,939 Never. I'm probably the best investment your bank ever made. 513 00:43:16,966 --> 00:43:20,216 How do vampires get around on Halloween? 514 00:43:20,303 --> 00:43:23,055 - Pass. - Blood vessels. 515 00:44:04,106 --> 00:44:06,441 Let's go. 516 00:44:06,442 --> 00:44:09,313 - Bye, Dad. - See you later. Goodbye. 517 00:44:11,031 --> 00:44:13,072 Love you. 518 00:44:40,524 --> 00:44:44,275 I thought about seeing you for a long time. 519 00:44:45,447 --> 00:44:50,905 I was afraid to 'cause... l didn't think you'd want to talk to me, 520 00:44:50,996 --> 00:44:54,116 'cause of where I work and everything. 521 00:44:56,711 --> 00:45:00,163 I'm concerned about what's been happening around here and... 522 00:45:00,257 --> 00:45:03,840 I'm angry at the way the company's handling itself. 523 00:45:14,816 --> 00:45:17,438 I'm very sorry about your son. 524 00:45:37,218 --> 00:45:39,258 Thank you. 525 00:45:46,479 --> 00:45:49,101 He said he never dumped anything, 526 00:45:49,191 --> 00:45:53,059 never did anything like that, never saw anybody who did. 527 00:45:53,154 --> 00:45:57,282 Tommy Barbas lied. So did Paul Shalline. 528 00:45:57,367 --> 00:46:00,950 Tommy, Paul and Joey were out back all the time... 529 00:46:01,038 --> 00:46:03,909 - Joey? - Joey Miola, plant maintenance. 530 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,453 And the rumor is, there's 50 more barrels buried 531 00:46:07,547 --> 00:46:09,586 that the inspectors didn't find. 532 00:46:09,673 --> 00:46:13,339 - 50? - Or more. Here. 533 00:46:16,265 --> 00:46:21,426 OK. Is there anyone else at the plant that might talk to me? 534 00:46:21,521 --> 00:46:23,313 I don't think so. 535 00:46:23,399 --> 00:46:25,272 Bobby Pasqueriella. 536 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:26,984 Bobby? 537 00:46:28,905 --> 00:46:31,692 He might. He doesn't work there any more though. 538 00:46:31,783 --> 00:46:32,780 Could you call him? 539 00:46:34,453 --> 00:46:37,159 Yeah, that's the stuff got dumped. 540 00:46:37,248 --> 00:46:42,291 All the time. Threw it back there myself all the time. 541 00:46:44,382 --> 00:46:47,752 Eddie Arsine - he'd say, dump that stuff in the gully. 542 00:46:47,845 --> 00:46:50,514 Out there in the gully, you know? 543 00:46:50,597 --> 00:46:53,634 Dumped it back there in the gully right there. 544 00:46:53,726 --> 00:46:58,057 Washed belts and gearboxes with it, and threw it in the gully. 545 00:46:58,149 --> 00:47:01,981 He'd say, dump it out in the gully, like Joey. 546 00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:07,066 - Did Tom Barbas? - Tommy? No, not Tommy, no. 547 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,114 - Never did that? - No, no. 548 00:47:10,205 --> 00:47:12,244 He dumped his in a ditch. 549 00:47:19,132 --> 00:47:23,795 Mr Barbas, I understand you've had a chance to think about things 550 00:47:23,888 --> 00:47:25,846 since your first deposition. 551 00:47:25,932 --> 00:47:29,765 He says you said to pour it into the pit. 552 00:47:29,853 --> 00:47:32,974 Is that how you remember it now? 553 00:47:33,065 --> 00:47:37,361 He just said, go out and dig a trench...30 feet long. 554 00:47:37,446 --> 00:47:39,485 Load the barrels onto the truck, 555 00:47:39,573 --> 00:47:42,859 drive out and dump it into the swimming pool. 556 00:47:42,952 --> 00:47:46,738 That's what we called it - the swimming pool. 557 00:47:49,753 --> 00:47:50,748 Right. 558 00:48:02,893 --> 00:48:05,183 Mr Cheeseman, well done. 559 00:48:06,397 --> 00:48:10,016 The odds of a plaintiff's lawyer winning in court 560 00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:11,854 are 2 to 1 against. 561 00:48:11,946 --> 00:48:14,235 Think about that for a second. 562 00:48:14,324 --> 00:48:18,702 Your odds of surviving a game of Russian roulette are better. 563 00:48:18,787 --> 00:48:20,827 12 times better. 564 00:48:20,915 --> 00:48:23,203 So why does anyone do it? 565 00:48:23,292 --> 00:48:25,332 They don't. They settle. 566 00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:29,632 Out of the 780,000 cases filed each year, 567 00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:37,011 The whole idea of lawsuits is to settle, 568 00:48:37,101 --> 00:48:39,390 to compel the other side to settle. 569 00:48:39,479 --> 00:48:43,180 You do that by spending more money than you should, 570 00:48:43,275 --> 00:48:46,645 forcing them to spend more money than they should. 571 00:48:46,737 --> 00:48:50,115 And whoever comes to their senses first... 572 00:48:50,116 --> 00:48:52,110 loses. 573 00:48:52,203 --> 00:48:55,406 Trials are a corruption of the entire process. 574 00:48:55,498 --> 00:49:00,160 And only fools with something to prove end up ensnared in them. 575 00:49:00,253 --> 00:49:04,798 When I say prove, I don't mean about the case. 576 00:49:05,885 --> 00:49:07,713 I mean about themselves. 577 00:49:07,805 --> 00:49:10,379 Hey, old man, out of the way! 578 00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:18,733 - How's business? - It's good. 579 00:49:18,817 --> 00:49:23,066 Is it? I was afraid, with all these scientists and doctors, 580 00:49:23,156 --> 00:49:25,992 a small firm like yours might be in trouble. 581 00:49:26,077 --> 00:49:28,533 I appreciate your concern. 582 00:49:28,621 --> 00:49:31,291 We've got more than enough to go the distance. 583 00:49:31,374 --> 00:49:35,243 Are you sure? lf you realized you miscalculated the arithmetic, 584 00:49:35,338 --> 00:49:38,838 you'd be digging quarters out the seats of your car. 585 00:49:38,925 --> 00:49:44,052 - You don't have to worry, Jerry. - That's a relief. 586 00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:49,645 You know what? You don't want me in this case. You've got Grace. 587 00:49:49,729 --> 00:49:53,479 I'm only gonna hurt you. So get rid of me. 588 00:49:53,568 --> 00:49:58,396 Tell me what you've got so far, I'll get a cheque cut - OK? 589 00:50:00,368 --> 00:50:04,615 My expenses? You're offering to cover my expenses? 590 00:50:04,706 --> 00:50:07,079 Your expenses and your pride. 591 00:50:09,212 --> 00:50:12,831 You think you're gonna put those families on the stand. 592 00:50:12,924 --> 00:50:15,176 They'll tell their stories 593 00:50:15,177 --> 00:50:19,092 so the jury pull out their handkerchiefs? 594 00:50:19,182 --> 00:50:23,936 Do you really think I'd let that happen? 595 00:50:23,937 --> 00:50:27,438 I don't see how you can prevent it. 596 00:50:27,526 --> 00:50:30,646 Of course you don't. 597 00:50:45,964 --> 00:50:48,455 - Yeah? - Jan, guess what? 598 00:50:48,550 --> 00:50:52,715 Cheeseman wants to talk. He wants a number. He wants out. 599 00:50:52,806 --> 00:50:56,684 I'll meet you back here at the office. 600 00:50:56,685 --> 00:51:00,351 Jan, this is it. We've got them. 601 00:51:00,439 --> 00:51:02,480 That's great. 602 00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:32,349 Oh, baby. God, no! 603 00:51:51,168 --> 00:51:54,003 Oh, God! 604 00:52:12,735 --> 00:52:14,644 He said he'd be here. 605 00:52:14,737 --> 00:52:17,573 Are the Red Sox in town? 606 00:52:21,621 --> 00:52:25,038 Sorry I'm late. I got tied up. Yeah. 607 00:52:26,126 --> 00:52:30,171 I was just given a chair at Harvard, of all things. 608 00:52:30,256 --> 00:52:31,834 You're kidding. Which chair? 609 00:52:33,928 --> 00:52:37,842 It's black with arms, with my name on a brass plate on the back. 610 00:52:37,932 --> 00:52:39,971 From my students. 611 00:52:40,894 --> 00:52:44,394 Jerry, ever thought about getting yourself a new briefcase? 612 00:52:44,482 --> 00:52:48,811 You don't change your socks in the middle of the World Series. 613 00:52:51,948 --> 00:52:54,274 Am I sitting in the right place? 614 00:52:54,368 --> 00:52:58,449 Actually, we have a seat for you here, but that's fine. 615 00:53:04,422 --> 00:53:06,249 Nice pen. 616 00:53:06,341 --> 00:53:10,386 - They're courtesy of the hotel. - Really? 617 00:53:10,471 --> 00:53:14,006 This is a good quality pen. Yeah. 618 00:53:16,895 --> 00:53:20,764 - So? - So, Bill... 619 00:53:22,902 --> 00:53:25,476 How much did Grace make last year? 620 00:53:25,572 --> 00:53:29,618 I have no idea. But I have a feeling you do. 621 00:53:29,703 --> 00:53:33,535 198 million. And Beatrice, Jerry? 622 00:53:33,624 --> 00:53:37,457 - What? - 436 million. 623 00:53:37,545 --> 00:53:42,458 Together, that's 634 million. That's one year. That's net. 624 00:53:43,678 --> 00:53:45,967 So, that's what they made. 625 00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:49,924 What should they be made to pay to compensate the families, 626 00:53:50,018 --> 00:53:53,139 to provide for their economic security in the future? 627 00:53:53,231 --> 00:53:57,728 Don't forget to mention you - compensating you. 628 00:53:59,154 --> 00:54:02,904 And to make sure that this doesn't happen again. 629 00:54:04,036 --> 00:54:06,075 25 million cash. 630 00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:17,124 And another 25 million to establish a research foundation 631 00:54:17,218 --> 00:54:21,465 to study the links between hazardous waste and illness. 632 00:54:26,563 --> 00:54:30,264 And 1 .5 million per family annually for 30 years. 633 00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,517 320 million. 634 00:55:03,273 --> 00:55:05,147 Can I ask a question? 635 00:55:05,275 --> 00:55:08,527 I'm sure everyone has questions. What's yours, Jerry? 636 00:55:09,865 --> 00:55:11,692 Can I have this? 637 00:55:15,914 --> 00:55:17,324 Thank you. 638 00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:22,538 Excuse me. 639 00:55:45,407 --> 00:55:49,073 - Jan? - Yes, Gordon? 640 00:55:49,162 --> 00:55:51,783 What's the story? 641 00:55:51,874 --> 00:55:55,742 - They don't want to end this. - They don't... 642 00:55:55,837 --> 00:56:01,177 You said this wouldn't go to trial. You just made certain that it will. 643 00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:03,585 Without consulting us, I might add. 644 00:56:04,264 --> 00:56:06,303 They patronize us. 645 00:56:07,768 --> 00:56:09,677 They think we're blackmailers. 646 00:56:12,731 --> 00:56:14,855 They think they can buy us. 647 00:56:17,029 --> 00:56:18,986 Yeah? 648 00:56:20,116 --> 00:56:22,192 We can't afford a long trial. 649 00:56:22,284 --> 00:56:25,619 Find a way of getting some money, then. 650 00:56:25,705 --> 00:56:30,701 - What do you suggest? - Am I the financial advisor? 651 00:56:32,004 --> 00:56:33,416 No, you're not. 652 00:56:37,261 --> 00:56:40,844 This is the plan. Start with scientific evidence. 653 00:56:40,932 --> 00:56:43,554 Then the medical experts and their evidence. 654 00:56:43,644 --> 00:56:46,135 Then the parents, then your testimony. 655 00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:48,307 Your presence is very important. 656 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,354 It's where the jury gets to know you. 657 00:56:51,445 --> 00:56:57,033 If you're only there some days, they'll ask "why? Does she care?" 658 00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:01,199 I'll be there every day, in the back left-hand corner. 659 00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:03,330 Wherever you're comfortable. 660 00:57:03,418 --> 00:57:06,088 That was our plan. 661 00:57:06,171 --> 00:57:11,510 If we got separated in the grocery store that's where we'd meet. 662 00:57:11,594 --> 00:57:13,421 Oh, I see, I see. 663 00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,640 In the end, when he was dying, 664 00:57:19,729 --> 00:57:24,891 he said, I'll meet you in the back left-hand corner of heaven. 665 00:57:36,207 --> 00:57:40,039 All rise. This court is now in session. 666 00:57:40,129 --> 00:57:43,249 The Honorable Walter J Skinner presiding. 667 00:57:43,341 --> 00:57:46,092 Civil Action 841672. 668 00:57:46,177 --> 00:57:51,006 Anderson and all versus W.R. Grace and Beatrice Foods. 669 00:57:57,899 --> 00:58:00,986 Ladies and gentlemen... 670 00:58:00,987 --> 00:58:04,820 there's a small town north of Boston called Woburn. 671 00:58:04,909 --> 00:58:08,492 Woburn is like many small towns. 672 00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:13,740 It has homes, it has churches, it has schools, it has industry. 673 00:58:13,835 --> 00:58:16,837 But Woburn has something else. 674 00:58:16,922 --> 00:58:22,380 It has more than its share of sickness and death. 675 00:58:22,471 --> 00:58:26,220 Small amounts of solvents were left on the ground. 676 00:58:26,308 --> 00:58:29,019 Why? To evaporate. 677 00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:31,097 Did they? Yes. 678 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:37,395 These chemicals never reached Wells G and H - we will show that. 679 00:58:37,489 --> 00:58:41,439 And they never made anyone sick. We will show that, too. 680 00:58:41,535 --> 00:58:45,914 The idea of criminal court is crime and punishment. 681 00:58:45,999 --> 00:58:50,128 The idea of civil court and personal injury law by nature - 682 00:58:50,212 --> 00:58:52,298 though no-one says it, 683 00:58:52,299 --> 00:58:56,131 least of all the personal injury lawyer himself - 684 00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:58,138 is money. 685 00:58:58,139 --> 00:59:00,631 Money for suffering. Money for death. 686 00:59:00,726 --> 00:59:03,644 As if that could somehow relieve suffering. 687 00:59:03,729 --> 00:59:08,190 As if that could somehow bring dead children back to life. 688 00:59:09,527 --> 00:59:13,657 Every credit card application we send, we get more in the mail. 689 00:59:13,741 --> 00:59:19,615 Here's one from North Dakota. Fill it out. Fill them all out. 690 00:59:19,707 --> 00:59:22,329 It's the last great pyramid scheme. 691 00:59:22,418 --> 00:59:27,381 The terrain of East Woburn was actually shaped 12,000 years ago, 692 00:59:27,382 --> 00:59:30,337 during the end of the last ice Age. 693 00:59:30,427 --> 00:59:33,890 At this time, an immense glacier, over a mile thick, 694 00:59:33,891 --> 00:59:36,678 covered what is now New England. 695 00:59:36,768 --> 00:59:40,720 Cancel The American Lawyer. Cancel all the legal journals. 696 00:59:40,816 --> 00:59:44,730 And tell the janitorial people they're no longer required. 697 00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:46,897 We'll empty our own ashtrays. 698 00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:50,988 To understand what's going on in the ground water system, 699 00:59:51,078 --> 00:59:55,290 we must start with the soil itself. These are soil samples... 700 00:59:55,374 --> 00:59:57,617 So you see, the Aberjona River valley... 701 00:59:57,710 --> 01:00:01,578 I...l can't send you the entire balance right now. 702 01:00:01,673 --> 01:00:05,803 But perhaps we could work out some sort of a deal. 703 01:00:06,888 --> 01:00:09,843 How much can I send you right now? 704 01:00:09,933 --> 01:00:11,761 Nothing. 705 01:00:11,853 --> 01:00:15,388 A plaintiff's case depends on momentum. 706 01:00:15,482 --> 01:00:19,729 The fewer objections he gets, the better his case will go. 707 01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:22,394 So whenever you can, you should object. 708 01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:25,492 18 times yesterday, 20 today. 709 01:00:25,577 --> 01:00:27,820 They're not even his witnesses, they're his. 710 01:00:27,914 --> 01:00:32,042 I can't not object when you phrase questions improperly. 711 01:00:32,127 --> 01:00:33,752 As a craftsman... 712 01:00:33,837 --> 01:00:38,049 He is deliberately trying to destroy the rhythm of my case. 713 01:00:39,386 --> 01:00:43,799 Here we are. You must have some good luck on these. 714 01:00:43,891 --> 01:00:47,592 - Hold on. 17, 17, 17. - You got a winner? 715 01:00:47,687 --> 01:00:49,147 No! Shoot. 716 01:00:49,231 --> 01:00:52,683 Relevance - objection. Hearsay - objection. 717 01:00:52,777 --> 01:00:56,775 Best evidence - objection. Authenticity... 718 01:00:56,865 --> 01:00:58,241 Objection. 719 01:00:58,325 --> 01:01:03,533 If you fall asleep, the first thing you say when you wake up is... 720 01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:09,330 Objection. 721 01:01:10,673 --> 01:01:15,135 Do you swear to tell the whole truth, so help you God? 722 01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:16,763 Yes. 723 01:01:16,848 --> 01:01:21,225 Good morning, Mr Riley. Would you care for a glass of water? 724 01:01:22,688 --> 01:01:24,562 No, thank you. 725 01:01:26,025 --> 01:01:27,519 Are you sure? 726 01:01:28,778 --> 01:01:33,240 The single greatest liability for a lawyer is pride. 727 01:01:33,325 --> 01:01:35,200 Pride... 728 01:01:35,286 --> 01:01:39,450 pride has lost more cases than lousy evidence, 729 01:01:39,541 --> 01:01:42,708 idiot witnesses and a hanging judge put together. 730 01:01:42,795 --> 01:01:47,208 There is absolutely no place in a courtroom for pride. 731 01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:51,963 Mr Riley, you own the property referred to here as the 15 acres? 732 01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:55,757 No, it's currently owned by a non-profit corporation 733 01:01:55,852 --> 01:01:57,892 called The Wildwood Conservancy. 734 01:01:57,980 --> 01:02:01,231 Oh, yes. What is that? The Wildwood Conservancy. 735 01:02:01,317 --> 01:02:04,354 - Is that a conservation group? - Yes, sir. 736 01:02:04,446 --> 01:02:08,990 I've donated the land as a sanctuary for indigent wildlife. 737 01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:15,743 I don't think the indigent wildlife has heard about this, Mr Riley. 738 01:02:15,835 --> 01:02:20,711 I've been there several times and haven't seen any living thing. 739 01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:25,343 He says no, no, no. He says yes once, I've got him. 740 01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:27,469 He's not that stupid. 741 01:02:27,557 --> 01:02:32,019 Keep him there long enough, he'll figure a way to get you. 742 01:02:32,104 --> 01:02:33,896 I'm not that stupid. 743 01:02:38,695 --> 01:02:41,270 Mr Riley, experts have testified in this court 744 01:02:41,365 --> 01:02:43,489 that your land, your 15 acres, 745 01:02:43,577 --> 01:02:46,946 is the most grotesquely polluted land in New England. 746 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,495 You have no idea how that happened? 747 01:02:49,584 --> 01:02:53,748 - No, sir. - Does it upset you to learn this? 748 01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:57,588 - Very much so. - Really? Why? 749 01:02:59,763 --> 01:03:02,254 And one last thing, 750 01:03:02,349 --> 01:03:05,267 unless you know exactly what the answer is, 751 01:03:05,353 --> 01:03:08,888 never, ever ask a witness "why". 752 01:03:08,982 --> 01:03:10,606 Never. 753 01:03:14,447 --> 01:03:17,899 My factory is the oldest surviving business in Woburn. 754 01:03:17,993 --> 01:03:21,363 When the other tanners moved out, I stayed, 755 01:03:21,455 --> 01:03:24,825 even though that was a very big financial burden. 756 01:03:24,918 --> 01:03:27,456 - That's not... - Woburn is my home... 757 01:03:27,546 --> 01:03:29,170 That's not the question. 758 01:03:29,256 --> 01:03:33,884 He's trying to answer it, Mr Schlichtmann. Let him. 759 01:03:42,731 --> 01:03:47,477 That land has been in my family for three generations. 760 01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:51,531 That land to me is hallowed ground. 761 01:03:51,617 --> 01:03:56,445 So when you ask me would I be upset 762 01:03:56,539 --> 01:03:59,083 if someone desecrated it - 763 01:03:59,084 --> 01:04:03,082 land that's part of the town that I love - 764 01:04:03,172 --> 01:04:06,589 my answer to your question, Mr Schlichtmann... 765 01:04:10,056 --> 01:04:11,965 is yes. 766 01:04:29,203 --> 01:04:32,122 I have no further questions, Your Honor. 767 01:04:36,087 --> 01:04:41,129 The sad part is, they rob themselves of the blessing of giving. 768 01:04:41,218 --> 01:04:46,890 If somebody wrote a cheque for the total budget of my church, 769 01:04:46,975 --> 01:04:50,843 it wouldn't affect my giving. 770 01:04:50,938 --> 01:04:54,770 Ain't nobody gonna rob me of the blessing of giving! 771 01:04:54,859 --> 01:04:58,857 You know why folks ain't getting? 'Cause they ain't giving! 772 01:04:58,947 --> 01:05:03,776 Do not rob yourself of the blessing of giving. 773 01:05:03,870 --> 01:05:08,367 You'll never guess what I did last night. You'll like this. 774 01:05:08,459 --> 01:05:12,789 I pledged 200 to a televangelist. I'm not kidding. 775 01:05:12,881 --> 01:05:16,001 He said, "Give and ye shall receive." 776 01:05:16,093 --> 01:05:18,763 I know. I know what you're thinking. 777 01:05:18,846 --> 01:05:23,058 You're thinking, Gordon's losing it. He's falling apart. 778 01:05:23,143 --> 01:05:26,228 He's probably buying lottery tickets. 779 01:05:27,607 --> 01:05:30,229 I bought a few. I'll admit it. 780 01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:34,020 I know, but seriously, the jackpot's 45 million. 781 01:05:34,115 --> 01:05:37,983 That's just this week! You should see the lines out there. 782 01:05:40,914 --> 01:05:45,376 - Is that a gun? - What? 783 01:05:48,548 --> 01:05:52,298 This? No. No, this is for you. 784 01:05:56,016 --> 01:05:58,852 My Krugerrands. I've had them forever. 785 01:06:00,313 --> 01:06:02,555 I want you to have them. 786 01:06:02,649 --> 01:06:06,517 And this is the deed to my house. 787 01:06:06,612 --> 01:06:10,314 Here is Conway's and Crowley's and Jan's. 788 01:06:10,409 --> 01:06:12,734 See, I've come bearing gifts. 789 01:06:18,001 --> 01:06:20,041 We really need the money. 790 01:06:26,052 --> 01:06:28,924 You can tell your child isn't well. 791 01:06:29,014 --> 01:06:33,641 "Has he got a temperature?" "No." "He's all right, then", they say. 792 01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:39,898 "Bring him to the clinic Monday." He died Monday morning. 793 01:06:39,985 --> 01:06:42,026 Start with Jimmy Anderson - 794 01:06:42,113 --> 01:06:45,732 countless trips to hospital, futile chemotherapy treatments. 795 01:06:45,826 --> 01:06:51,166 Then the others, ending with Jared Aufiero, dying on the highway. 796 01:06:51,291 --> 01:06:54,293 Could somebody get that? 797 01:06:58,132 --> 01:06:59,841 Where is everybody? 798 01:06:59,927 --> 01:07:04,803 You're just noticing now? Gordon laid everybody off two weeks ago. 799 01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:08,894 Gordon, instead of sitting there reading a magazine, 800 01:07:08,895 --> 01:07:12,515 why not go to Uncle Pete and get me a staff? 801 01:07:12,608 --> 01:07:15,693 Good idea. Why didn't I think of that? 802 01:07:19,992 --> 01:07:21,403 Hello? 803 01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:36,469 There was a Cheeseman on the Mayflower. 804 01:07:36,553 --> 01:07:39,175 - This way, sir. - Thank you. 805 01:07:39,265 --> 01:07:41,139 Jan, have a seat. 806 01:07:41,226 --> 01:07:44,393 You want something to drink? Some coffee? Soda? 807 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,936 You've been talking without me present? 808 01:07:47,025 --> 01:07:51,070 No, we have been drinking coffee without your being present. 809 01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:53,824 Don't be so paranoid. They were early. 810 01:07:56,661 --> 01:08:00,161 - All right. What's up? - Jerry? 811 01:08:00,249 --> 01:08:03,286 Last night, I was at a ball game. 812 01:08:03,377 --> 01:08:07,245 It was the seventh innings and I was standing there, 813 01:08:07,340 --> 01:08:10,876 and it occurred to me at that moment, 814 01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:14,719 unless you've proven that any... What word should we use? 815 01:08:14,808 --> 01:08:16,717 - Chemicals? - Poisons. 816 01:08:16,810 --> 01:08:19,847 If you like that word, I'll use it. 817 01:08:19,938 --> 01:08:25,279 Unless you've proven that poisons reached the wells, there's no case. 818 01:08:25,362 --> 01:08:29,277 And therefore, no need to make these families, 819 01:08:29,366 --> 01:08:31,241 who've already suffered so much, 820 01:08:31,327 --> 01:08:34,946 relive their suffering all over again 821 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,457 by putting them on the stand. 822 01:08:39,796 --> 01:08:42,917 - Your Honor, you've... - That's interesting. 823 01:08:43,008 --> 01:08:46,176 - What? - I'd have to agree with that. 824 01:08:46,262 --> 01:08:47,887 Your Honor, the... 825 01:08:47,973 --> 01:08:52,102 If the jury decides favorably on the geological evidence, 826 01:08:52,186 --> 01:08:54,760 you could bring your families in. 827 01:08:54,856 --> 01:08:58,142 Your Honor, the jury was expecting a human drama. 828 01:08:58,235 --> 01:09:01,439 For three months they've had lessons in geology. 829 01:09:01,531 --> 01:09:04,900 We had to do that. Now it's over - finally. 830 01:09:04,993 --> 01:09:09,074 Now we have to see where we are before moving on, 831 01:09:09,164 --> 01:09:12,499 and subjecting these families to more trauma than necessary, 832 01:09:12,585 --> 01:09:14,709 because that would just be cruel. 833 01:09:14,796 --> 01:09:18,415 - They want to testify. - The decision is made. 834 01:09:18,509 --> 01:09:21,464 - It's the defendant's plan. - It's my plan. 835 01:09:21,554 --> 01:09:23,963 Right from the beginning, he threatened... 836 01:09:24,057 --> 01:09:26,300 It's MY plan! 837 01:09:34,571 --> 01:09:36,148 Now... 838 01:09:37,031 --> 01:09:43,035 my plan is to present the jury with some simple questions. 839 01:09:44,416 --> 01:09:47,121 How you answer these three questions, 840 01:09:47,211 --> 01:09:49,963 will determine whether this trial continues. 841 01:09:51,466 --> 01:09:54,136 I don't disagree - I don't understand them. 842 01:09:54,219 --> 01:09:56,889 What don't you understand? They're straightforward questions. 843 01:09:56,972 --> 01:10:00,638 Have the plaintiffs established, by preponderance of evidence, 844 01:10:00,727 --> 01:10:05,853 that chemicals containing TCE were disposed of on these lands 845 01:10:05,942 --> 01:10:12,776 after October 1, 1964 and August 27, 1968, respectively, 846 01:10:12,866 --> 01:10:16,200 and did those chemicals contribute to the well water contamination? 847 01:10:16,287 --> 01:10:20,915 What were these dates? Where are they from? Out of a hat? 848 01:10:21,001 --> 01:10:22,745 Question two. 849 01:10:22,836 --> 01:10:26,336 What, according to a preponderance of the evidence, 850 01:10:26,424 --> 01:10:29,876 was the earliest time at which these chemicals 851 01:10:29,970 --> 01:10:33,387 substantially contributed to the wells' contamination? 852 01:10:33,475 --> 01:10:35,099 How can they determine that? 853 01:10:35,185 --> 01:10:38,850 Science can't even determine when the chemicals arrived 854 01:10:38,939 --> 01:10:42,190 with the precision that you're asking of the jurors. 855 01:10:42,276 --> 01:10:44,068 And finally, three. 856 01:10:44,154 --> 01:10:46,776 What, according to a preponderance of the evidence, 857 01:10:46,866 --> 01:10:49,867 was the earliest time - again, month and year - 858 01:10:49,953 --> 01:10:52,990 at which substantial contribution referred to in question two 859 01:10:53,081 --> 01:10:55,371 was caused, if it was, 860 01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:58,959 by the negligent conduct of the defendants? 861 01:10:59,047 --> 01:11:02,333 It's like English translated into Japanese back into English again. 862 01:11:02,426 --> 01:11:03,884 I've heard enough. 863 01:11:03,969 --> 01:11:07,054 Your Honor, no one can answer these. 864 01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:09,596 You're asking for answers that are unknowable. 865 01:11:09,684 --> 01:11:11,144 I've heard enough. 866 01:11:11,228 --> 01:11:14,977 You're asking for a fiction that stands for truth, but isn't. 867 01:11:15,066 --> 01:11:16,062 Enough! 868 01:11:17,361 --> 01:11:23,317 Once again, I remind you not to discuss your views outside, 869 01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:25,783 and excuse you... 870 01:11:28,498 --> 01:11:31,583 Don't worry about it. Everything's under control. 871 01:11:32,546 --> 01:11:38,301 And excuse you to your deliberations. Thank you. 872 01:13:03,071 --> 01:13:05,365 I've never done this. 873 01:13:05,366 --> 01:13:07,358 In 45 years of practicing, 874 01:13:07,451 --> 01:13:10,904 I've never waited in a corridor for a jury. 875 01:13:10,997 --> 01:13:13,952 - I always do. - I can tell. 876 01:13:14,043 --> 01:13:16,878 You're good at it. 877 01:13:16,879 --> 01:13:19,251 You seem so at peace doing it. 878 01:13:24,096 --> 01:13:28,177 What do you think? ls it good they're out this long? 879 01:13:28,268 --> 01:13:31,435 - For who? - For me, of course. 880 01:13:33,733 --> 01:13:37,019 You can never tell. It could mean anything. 881 01:13:37,112 --> 01:13:41,489 It could mean jury duty's more fun than working at the post office. 882 01:13:43,411 --> 01:13:47,623 - It's bad for both of you. - You think? 883 01:13:49,210 --> 01:13:51,250 Well, here's my take. 884 01:13:52,672 --> 01:13:54,831 Guilty. 885 01:13:55,968 --> 01:13:59,836 Not guilty. That's what they're going to say. 886 01:13:59,930 --> 01:14:03,300 Nothing to do with dates or ground-water measurements 887 01:14:03,394 --> 01:14:07,855 or any of that crap, which nobody understands anyway. 888 01:14:07,940 --> 01:14:11,690 It's going to come down to people, like always. 889 01:14:11,778 --> 01:14:15,563 You found someone who saw him dumping stuff. 890 01:14:15,658 --> 01:14:19,443 You didn't find anyone who saw me. 891 01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:25,542 - What's your take? - They'll see the truth. 892 01:14:25,629 --> 01:14:27,372 The truth? 893 01:14:28,674 --> 01:14:31,960 We're talking about a court of law. 894 01:14:32,053 --> 01:14:35,257 You've been around long enough to know 895 01:14:35,349 --> 01:14:38,434 courtrooms aren't where you look for the truth. 896 01:14:38,519 --> 01:14:42,648 You're lucky to find anything that even resembles the truth. 897 01:14:45,611 --> 01:14:49,859 You disagree. Well, since when? 898 01:14:51,034 --> 01:14:53,027 Eight kids are dead, Jerry. 899 01:14:55,247 --> 01:14:59,745 Jan, that suit fits you better than the sentimentality. 900 01:14:59,836 --> 01:15:03,585 That's not how you made all that money, is it? 901 01:15:03,674 --> 01:15:08,717 It wasn't about dead children from the minute you filed the complaint. 902 01:15:08,806 --> 01:15:13,634 The minute it entered the justice system. Oh, yes. 903 01:15:18,025 --> 01:15:20,350 I know you like to gamble. 904 01:15:20,444 --> 01:15:22,900 High-stakes gambler, that's your profession. 905 01:15:22,989 --> 01:15:27,035 Why not test your faith in the righteousness of our courts 906 01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:29,692 with a high-stakes gamble? 907 01:15:33,919 --> 01:15:37,419 If that's a settlement offer, Jerry, it's not enough. 908 01:15:37,506 --> 01:15:40,958 - That's not what I hear. - Who said that? 909 01:15:41,052 --> 01:15:45,881 The IRS, telling us they have a lien on any eventual settlement 910 01:15:45,975 --> 01:15:50,139 in order to recover over 2.5 million in unpaid taxes. 911 01:15:53,275 --> 01:15:55,233 But all right... 912 01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:00,741 What if I would add six zeros onto that? 913 01:16:00,826 --> 01:16:05,822 That would be - what? - 20 million. 914 01:16:06,958 --> 01:16:09,995 Now, that would put things in perspective, wouldn't it? 915 01:16:10,087 --> 01:16:13,588 As far as truth, justice and dead children go? 916 01:16:13,675 --> 01:16:16,511 If you want to talk about a settlement, 917 01:16:16,595 --> 01:16:19,763 get the decision-makers together and talk seriously. 918 01:16:19,849 --> 01:16:22,470 The decision-makers are here, aren't they? 919 01:16:22,561 --> 01:16:24,470 You're looking at Mr Beatrice. 920 01:16:24,563 --> 01:16:28,015 I don't have to call anybody. Do you? 921 01:16:31,571 --> 01:16:34,615 It's just you and me. 922 01:16:34,616 --> 01:16:38,450 We're like kings. We are kings. 923 01:16:39,539 --> 01:16:42,209 Sitting in our castle, deciding important things. 924 01:16:42,293 --> 01:16:44,867 Deciding the fates of others. 925 01:16:44,963 --> 01:16:48,083 And counting money. In our counting room! 926 01:17:03,610 --> 01:17:06,980 Tell you what. I'll leave this here, 927 01:17:07,072 --> 01:17:10,442 go back down the hall to my throne room 928 01:17:10,535 --> 01:17:13,205 and await your decision. 929 01:17:19,337 --> 01:17:21,794 If you really want the truth, Jan, 930 01:17:21,882 --> 01:17:27,803 Look for it where it is - at the bottom of a bottomless pit. 931 01:18:34,803 --> 01:18:38,718 Mr Foreman, members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? 932 01:18:38,808 --> 01:18:40,635 Yes, Your Honor. 933 01:18:54,452 --> 01:18:59,791 With respect to W.R. Grace, the jury has answered... 934 01:18:59,874 --> 01:19:04,454 "yes" to question one regarding trichloroethylene contamination, 935 01:19:04,547 --> 01:19:07,133 requiring the case against Grace 936 01:19:07,134 --> 01:19:09,804 to go to a second stage of this trial. 937 01:19:11,055 --> 01:19:18,221 In regard to Beatrice, the jury has answered "no" to question one 938 01:19:18,313 --> 01:19:21,683 in all its points pertaining to contamination 939 01:19:21,775 --> 01:19:25,775 which renders questions two and three inapplicable, 940 01:19:25,864 --> 01:19:27,821 ending the case against Beatrice. 941 01:19:27,908 --> 01:19:32,037 - Mr Facher, you're excused. - Thank you, Your Honor. 942 01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:40,338 We are going to take a break now, until after lunch. 943 01:19:40,424 --> 01:19:44,208 Once again, I remind you not to talk to anyone 944 01:19:44,303 --> 01:19:46,426 about your deliberations here... 945 01:19:58,946 --> 01:20:03,692 Disappointed? Not at all. This is a victory. 946 01:20:03,785 --> 01:20:08,448 This sends a message that companies can no longer get away with this. 947 01:20:08,541 --> 01:20:11,114 - So what now? - Right now? 948 01:20:11,210 --> 01:20:14,794 I think we should celebrate. What do you think? Yes? 949 01:20:14,882 --> 01:20:20,007 You'll proceed against Grace, no matter how long it takes? 950 01:20:21,556 --> 01:20:25,507 We have to get out of this case fast. 951 01:20:25,603 --> 01:20:27,643 That's our only strategy left. 952 01:20:29,148 --> 01:20:32,399 The good news is Grace wants to talk. 953 01:20:32,486 --> 01:20:36,816 They want us to see their executive vice-president, AI Eustis. 954 01:20:36,908 --> 01:20:40,527 So we need to know what our squeal point is. 955 01:20:41,622 --> 01:20:45,917 8 million. 8 million will just about get us out of hock. 956 01:20:47,545 --> 01:20:50,417 Gordon knows the numbers. 957 01:20:57,641 --> 01:21:01,770 Jan, every dollar we spend is a dollar we don't have. 958 01:21:01,855 --> 01:21:04,856 We are floating on credit without a net. 959 01:21:04,942 --> 01:21:08,987 I don't need a net. Mortgage my house. I don't care. 960 01:21:09,780 --> 01:21:15,156 I have. And Kevin's and Bill's and mine. 961 01:21:15,245 --> 01:21:20,621 I've cashed in our retirement plans and life-insurance. And it's gone. 962 01:21:20,711 --> 01:21:23,333 Let me put it this way, 963 01:21:23,422 --> 01:21:29,592 if we can't appear we've got money they won't give us 8 million. 964 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,548 They won't give us eight cents. You know that. 965 01:21:33,643 --> 01:21:35,683 You all know that. 966 01:21:44,364 --> 01:21:46,404 It's our nicest suite. 967 01:21:46,491 --> 01:21:51,949 Living room, dining room, two bedrooms, a den, a lovely view. 968 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,080 It's 2,400 a night. 969 01:21:56,295 --> 01:21:58,122 For our inner strength. 970 01:21:59,131 --> 01:22:02,168 - On the card. - Why not? 971 01:22:04,930 --> 01:22:07,173 Farmers' Bank of Iowa. 972 01:22:29,585 --> 01:22:30,996 Hey, there! 973 01:22:31,087 --> 01:22:33,329 - Jan Schlichtmann. - AI Eustis. 974 01:22:33,422 --> 01:22:36,543 How are you? Sorry I'm late. I got lost. 975 01:22:36,636 --> 01:22:38,758 - Got lost? - Yes. 976 01:22:38,846 --> 01:22:40,720 How did you manage that? 977 01:22:40,807 --> 01:22:42,884 I've never been here before so... 978 01:22:42,977 --> 01:22:45,847 What kind of Harvard man are you? 979 01:22:46,981 --> 01:22:49,105 The Cornell kind. 980 01:22:49,192 --> 01:22:54,863 Cornell? I thought you went to Harvard? 981 01:22:54,948 --> 01:23:00,406 I'm sure somebody said that you went to Harvard! Cornell! 982 01:23:00,497 --> 01:23:02,455 Yes. 983 01:23:02,541 --> 01:23:05,626 Well, listen, Cornell is... is a damn good school. 984 01:23:06,212 --> 01:23:09,131 Damn good. 985 01:23:09,132 --> 01:23:11,173 So what do you want? 986 01:23:12,261 --> 01:23:15,962 Well, I could take you through it step by step 987 01:23:16,057 --> 01:23:20,187 or you could take this with you and study it. 988 01:23:20,271 --> 01:23:22,180 It's a little complicated but... 989 01:23:22,273 --> 01:23:25,477 It's an unspoken rule of the Harvard Club - 990 01:23:25,569 --> 01:23:29,698 business is never transacted here. 991 01:23:29,699 --> 01:23:32,154 I meant, what do you want to drink? 992 01:23:33,704 --> 01:23:38,117 I wanted to reach across and strangle him with his tie. 993 01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:40,535 Instead, I sat there for two hours 994 01:23:40,628 --> 01:23:44,794 and listened to him talk about selling his yacht. 995 01:23:44,884 --> 01:23:50,674 You know, sometimes I actually prefer the 35-footer. 996 01:23:50,765 --> 01:23:53,091 Because I can crew it myself, 997 01:23:53,185 --> 01:23:57,849 I can be all by myself out there alone. It's magnificent. 998 01:23:57,941 --> 01:24:01,642 And there's no... Nobody can call you. Nobody can beep you. 999 01:24:01,737 --> 01:24:03,814 Nobody can fax you. 1000 01:24:03,907 --> 01:24:06,148 There's no lawsuits. 1001 01:24:06,242 --> 01:24:09,279 You know what I'm talking about. You sail? 1002 01:24:09,371 --> 01:24:12,408 - No. - You don't sail? 1003 01:24:13,794 --> 01:24:18,006 - Finally, we went to his office. - Let's sit down. 1004 01:24:18,090 --> 01:24:21,959 Come on. It's more comfortable. Have a seat. 1005 01:24:22,054 --> 01:24:25,340 He comes around the desk, he sits down. 1006 01:24:27,518 --> 01:24:29,013 Go ahead, sit down. 1007 01:24:29,104 --> 01:24:32,769 He puts his feet up on this French antique thing 1008 01:24:33,609 --> 01:24:36,978 and he tells me to put my feet up. 1009 01:24:37,071 --> 01:24:39,527 Put your feet up. Come on. 1010 01:24:39,616 --> 01:24:42,701 - No, thank you. - No, go ahead. 1011 01:24:42,786 --> 01:24:45,741 - Go ahead. - No, really, I'm fine. 1012 01:24:45,832 --> 01:24:49,036 Nothing's going to break. Put them up. 1013 01:24:49,127 --> 01:24:53,340 It was weird - all this talk about putting my feet on this table. 1014 01:24:53,425 --> 01:24:56,462 It's all right - I mean it. Try it. Come on. 1015 01:24:56,553 --> 01:24:58,380 Put your feet up. 1016 01:25:07,316 --> 01:25:13,818 There. Now, I can afford to pay you almost anything you ask. 1017 01:25:13,907 --> 01:25:16,446 It's not the money. 1018 01:25:16,535 --> 01:25:19,454 But a settlement that high says we're guilty. 1019 01:25:19,539 --> 01:25:23,704 That says to every two-bit personal injury lawyer in Boston, 1020 01:25:23,795 --> 01:25:26,001 let's sign up everyone in Woburn. 1021 01:25:26,088 --> 01:25:29,588 Creates a shark effect, and that I can't afford. 1022 01:25:29,676 --> 01:25:31,634 Give me a number. 1023 01:25:33,098 --> 01:25:35,423 I'm not negotiating with myself, Al, 1024 01:25:35,516 --> 01:25:38,886 throwing out numbers you can say no to. 1025 01:25:38,979 --> 01:25:41,553 - You give me one. - 8 million. 1026 01:25:44,611 --> 01:25:48,444 He said 8 million? 1027 01:25:48,533 --> 01:25:49,991 8 million. 1028 01:25:51,870 --> 01:25:54,540 I can't go to the families with that. 1029 01:25:54,623 --> 01:25:56,912 Wait! What? Who? What families? 1030 01:25:57,001 --> 01:25:59,753 I can't go to them empty-handed. 1031 01:25:59,837 --> 01:26:01,795 What are you talking about? 1032 01:26:01,882 --> 01:26:06,544 Since when is that empty-handed? 8 million is a lot of money! 1033 01:26:08,181 --> 01:26:10,221 I owe them more than that. 1034 01:26:10,309 --> 01:26:12,882 What do you owe them? 1035 01:26:12,978 --> 01:26:15,185 Do you owe them your career? 1036 01:26:15,273 --> 01:26:17,396 You're talking about our careers here! 1037 01:26:17,484 --> 01:26:20,735 - You owe them that? - And OUR families! 1038 01:26:20,821 --> 01:26:22,696 That's what we're talking here. 1039 01:26:22,782 --> 01:26:25,660 Our families... 1040 01:26:25,661 --> 01:26:27,700 Don't do it. 1041 01:26:30,333 --> 01:26:32,871 Don't go for broke on this one. 1042 01:26:32,961 --> 01:26:35,583 It isn't worth it, Jan. 1043 01:27:00,494 --> 01:27:04,658 Nobody calls any more? Not even the creditors. 1044 01:27:06,168 --> 01:27:07,994 Are the phones still working? 1045 01:27:17,431 --> 01:27:19,471 Schlichtmann, Conway and Crowley. 1046 01:27:22,312 --> 01:27:24,138 Just a moment, please. 1047 01:27:25,107 --> 01:27:26,684 Someone named Grendan. 1048 01:27:26,775 --> 01:27:28,436 Creditor. 1049 01:27:28,528 --> 01:27:33,190 - Are you here? - Do I look like I'm here? 1050 01:27:34,827 --> 01:27:37,153 He's in a meeting at the moment. 1051 01:27:37,247 --> 01:27:40,332 Do me a favor, Gordon? Shut up. 1052 01:27:42,294 --> 01:27:43,753 What? 1053 01:27:43,838 --> 01:27:47,373 I'm tired of hearing you moan about money. 1054 01:27:47,467 --> 01:27:49,626 This isn't about money any more. 1055 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,469 No? What's it about? 1056 01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:56,769 What's it about, Jan? 1057 01:27:56,853 --> 01:28:00,638 - Look, let's all... - No, I want to know. 1058 01:28:00,733 --> 01:28:06,689 I want to know what I gave up my house for - my credit, my life! 1059 01:28:06,782 --> 01:28:08,905 Would you take 10 million? 1060 01:28:08,993 --> 01:28:11,117 - Yes. - But not eight? 1061 01:28:11,204 --> 01:28:12,235 No. 1062 01:28:12,330 --> 01:28:16,198 So 10 million is some mythic struggle, 1063 01:28:16,293 --> 01:28:18,582 but eight is just another lawsuit! 1064 01:28:18,671 --> 01:28:22,290 If they're willing to pay eight then it's not enough. 1065 01:28:22,384 --> 01:28:25,670 - That makes sense! - It makes perfect sense. 1066 01:28:25,763 --> 01:28:29,180 So you'll only accept what they won't give us? 1067 01:28:29,268 --> 01:28:30,892 Listen to yourself! 1068 01:28:30,977 --> 01:28:36,222 I'm sick of listening to you. I've lost enough because of you. 1069 01:28:36,318 --> 01:28:41,063 You'd have nothing but for me. All you have, I got for you! 1070 01:28:41,156 --> 01:28:45,025 I don't have anything! What do I have? 1071 01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,248 I got a couple of bucks and some bus transfers. 1072 01:28:49,333 --> 01:28:54,043 I've got a savings account from when I was 12. 1073 01:28:54,131 --> 01:28:56,586 Here - there's 37 in here. 1074 01:28:56,675 --> 01:28:59,345 With interest after 25 years, probably 47! 1075 01:28:59,428 --> 01:29:02,181 Take it! Add it to the war chest. 1076 01:29:02,265 --> 01:29:04,305 Use it to fight injustice! 1077 01:29:04,393 --> 01:29:08,687 Go down in flames with it for all I care. 1078 01:29:08,773 --> 01:29:11,774 Only next time... Next time - that's a laugh! 1079 01:29:11,860 --> 01:29:15,941 Ask us if we want to go down with you! 1080 01:30:25,615 --> 01:30:28,700 I'd like to leave a message for AI Eustis, please. 1081 01:30:35,710 --> 01:30:40,006 I've been informed that a settlement agreement has been reached. 1082 01:30:40,091 --> 01:30:42,084 As a condition of this agreement, 1083 01:30:42,177 --> 01:30:46,128 the exact terms shall remain private among the parties involved. 1084 01:30:47,266 --> 01:30:49,675 Thank you for your service... 1085 01:30:49,769 --> 01:30:53,720 Our contingency fee, as you know, as you agreed to - 1086 01:31:02,785 --> 01:31:05,193 or 2.2 million. 1087 01:31:05,288 --> 01:31:09,785 Our expenses - what we actually paid out trying this case - 1088 01:31:09,876 --> 01:31:11,786 comes to 3.5 million. 1089 01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:24,641 and dividing it equally, comes out to 375,000 per family. 1090 01:31:34,824 --> 01:31:36,863 And they're gonna clean the place up? 1091 01:31:38,411 --> 01:31:40,036 No. 1092 01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:46,206 When you first came out here, Mr Schlichtmann, 1093 01:31:46,295 --> 01:31:52,880 when we first spoke, I told you I wasn't interested in money. 1094 01:31:52,970 --> 01:31:54,798 Here it comes. 1095 01:31:54,889 --> 01:31:58,093 What I wanted was an apology from someone 1096 01:31:58,185 --> 01:32:00,890 for what they did to my son. 1097 01:32:02,023 --> 01:32:04,858 And you said, money is the apology. 1098 01:32:04,943 --> 01:32:09,024 That's how they apologize - with their chequebooks. 1099 01:32:11,994 --> 01:32:14,531 Would you call this an apology? 1100 01:32:16,373 --> 01:32:17,832 No. 1101 01:32:17,916 --> 01:32:22,212 The only meaningful apology you're going to get is from me. 1102 01:32:22,297 --> 01:32:24,041 I'm sorry. 1103 01:32:27,846 --> 01:32:30,516 I'm afraid that isn't meaningful. 1104 01:32:32,184 --> 01:32:36,396 Mrs Anderson, you're looking at four guys who are broke. 1105 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,390 We lost everything trying this case. 1106 01:32:40,403 --> 01:32:44,531 How can you even begin to compare what you've lost 1107 01:32:44,616 --> 01:32:46,656 to what we've lost? 1108 01:33:31,255 --> 01:33:35,753 Listen, the minute you put money on the table, things turn ugly. 1109 01:33:35,844 --> 01:33:38,300 It happens every time. Forget it. 1110 01:33:38,389 --> 01:33:40,631 But she's right. 1111 01:33:41,810 --> 01:33:43,849 She's not right. 1112 01:33:46,023 --> 01:33:50,770 It's cold. It's wet. We're in the swamp. I want to go home. 1113 01:33:50,862 --> 01:33:53,614 Someone out here saw what happened. 1114 01:33:53,698 --> 01:33:57,235 You can't do what Riley did without somebody seeing it. 1115 01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:01,072 You're talking about the case. 1116 01:34:01,166 --> 01:34:03,124 The case is over. 1117 01:34:13,848 --> 01:34:16,684 Yeah, I know. They want out, right? 1118 01:34:16,768 --> 01:34:19,521 It's time they went their separate way. 1119 01:34:19,605 --> 01:34:21,931 You know what I think of that? 1120 01:34:22,025 --> 01:34:24,861 Fine. Let 'em. 1121 01:34:24,862 --> 01:34:28,990 - I can imagine worse things. - Like what? 1122 01:34:29,075 --> 01:34:31,827 So what if we have to start over? 1123 01:34:31,912 --> 01:34:36,823 We did it once. We can do it again, the two of us. 1124 01:34:45,261 --> 01:34:51,466 Oh, I see. When you say it's over, you mean it's over. 1125 01:34:53,145 --> 01:34:56,230 It's time for me to go my separate way. 1126 01:34:59,820 --> 01:35:02,490 You always went your separate way, Jan. 1127 01:36:05,482 --> 01:36:07,107 Thank you. 1128 01:37:05,387 --> 01:37:10,383 This is how silicone is put on leather to waterproof it. 1129 01:37:10,477 --> 01:37:13,846 Like you poured water on my table. 1130 01:37:13,939 --> 01:37:15,979 Yeah. 1131 01:37:23,868 --> 01:37:27,534 So some of it must spill off the leather, 1132 01:37:27,623 --> 01:37:30,577 like the water spilling off my table. 1133 01:37:34,548 --> 01:37:37,122 That's the part I'm interested in. 1134 01:37:37,218 --> 01:37:40,219 The spilled silicone and trichloroethylene, sir - 1135 01:37:40,305 --> 01:37:42,344 how you disposed of that. 1136 01:37:53,946 --> 01:37:56,947 We're just here to look at your records. 1137 01:38:13,344 --> 01:38:16,096 I didn't call him, he just came. 1138 01:38:16,180 --> 01:38:21,223 - You just let him in? - Of course I did. 1139 01:38:43,088 --> 01:38:46,707 You know how sometimes you get so close to something 1140 01:38:46,801 --> 01:38:48,841 that you lose sight of it? 1141 01:38:52,641 --> 01:38:55,512 I kept looking for someone 1142 01:38:55,603 --> 01:38:59,020 who saw Riley dumping barrels of poison, when l... 1143 01:38:59,107 --> 01:39:03,569 I should've been looking for someone who helped him clean it up. 1144 01:39:11,038 --> 01:39:16,378 Why did you rent two dump trucks and a front loader in October '81? 1145 01:39:16,462 --> 01:39:20,377 Or is this just part of your job at the tannery? 1146 01:39:22,177 --> 01:39:26,222 - Mr Granger? - I don't have to talk to you. 1147 01:39:26,307 --> 01:39:30,970 I can tell you to leave and I'd be within my rights. 1148 01:39:31,063 --> 01:39:33,470 Yes, you would. 1149 01:39:45,705 --> 01:39:50,701 In the fall of 1981, Mr Riley instructed me to rent a loader 1150 01:39:50,795 --> 01:39:54,211 and two 10-wheel dump trucks. 1151 01:39:54,299 --> 01:39:58,167 - Did he tell you why? - Yes, he did. 1152 01:39:58,261 --> 01:40:02,592 Everything goes. I don't want to see anything but topsoil. 1153 01:40:02,684 --> 01:40:08,190 Didn't it seem strange that he had to get rid of it now? 1154 01:40:08,274 --> 01:40:11,644 I don't want to know where. Just take it. 1155 01:40:11,737 --> 01:40:14,407 He told me city inspectors were coming. 1156 01:40:14,490 --> 01:40:16,981 He didn't want them to see it. 1157 01:40:22,249 --> 01:40:24,705 This went on for several nights. 1158 01:40:24,794 --> 01:40:26,834 Fill the trucks, trucks drive off, 1159 01:40:26,922 --> 01:40:31,002 trucks come back empty, we fill them up again. 1160 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,760 On the last night... 1161 01:40:34,847 --> 01:40:37,054 On the last night, what? 1162 01:40:38,768 --> 01:40:41,805 Are you sure you didn't see some kids there? 1163 01:40:41,897 --> 01:40:45,647 - Lighting fires, drinking beers? - I've nothing to say. 1164 01:40:45,736 --> 01:40:49,070 It'd be hard to forget. You know, it's a... 1165 01:40:49,157 --> 01:40:51,196 Apparently, it was quite a sight. 1166 01:40:54,955 --> 01:40:56,236 Go, go, go. 1167 01:40:56,331 --> 01:40:58,906 Watch out! 1168 01:40:59,001 --> 01:41:02,003 This is private property! You little punks! 1169 01:41:02,089 --> 01:41:03,547 That's you! 1170 01:41:03,633 --> 01:41:08,129 You know, mister, I'm sorry. Here's something to make up for it. 1171 01:41:08,221 --> 01:41:10,345 There you go! There - fry! 1172 01:41:12,017 --> 01:41:14,010 I'll have you arrested! 1173 01:41:14,103 --> 01:41:18,397 It's like that now! You want some of that? Eat it! 1174 01:41:35,254 --> 01:41:38,089 Let's go! Let's go! 1175 01:41:39,925 --> 01:41:42,880 - Get the fuck out! - Come on. 1176 01:41:53,150 --> 01:41:55,723 Did Riley threaten you at all 1177 01:41:55,819 --> 01:41:59,949 with what might happen to you if you ever came forward? 1178 01:42:00,033 --> 01:42:01,611 No, sir. 1179 01:42:01,702 --> 01:42:05,451 He didn't say anything at all in this regard? 1180 01:42:09,962 --> 01:42:13,047 He gave me a couple of Celtics tickets. 1181 01:42:13,132 --> 01:42:15,802 Told me to keep my mouth shut. 1182 01:42:52,722 --> 01:42:55,557 The appeals process is even more Byzantine 1183 01:42:55,642 --> 01:42:57,634 than the trial it's appealing. 1184 01:42:59,813 --> 01:43:02,139 It takes longer, it costs more, 1185 01:43:02,233 --> 01:43:04,903 its outcome is even less promising. 1186 01:43:06,112 --> 01:43:09,945 Only five cases in 50 will win in appeals court, 1187 01:43:10,034 --> 01:43:13,784 odds as easy to calculate as they are discouraging. 1188 01:43:13,872 --> 01:43:16,197 They're 10 to 1 against. 1189 01:43:16,291 --> 01:43:19,127 Just about any bet at any table 1190 01:43:19,211 --> 01:43:21,999 in any casino anywhere in the world... 1191 01:43:22,090 --> 01:43:23,917 is better than that. 1192 01:43:27,138 --> 01:43:31,267 I have the evidence but not the resources or the gambling spirit 1193 01:43:31,351 --> 01:43:34,721 to appeal the decision in this case. 1194 01:43:36,065 --> 01:43:38,308 I have no money, no partners, 1195 01:43:38,402 --> 01:43:41,403 and, it seems, no clients any more. 1196 01:43:43,324 --> 01:43:47,538 The Woburn case has become what it was when it first came to me - 1197 01:43:47,539 --> 01:43:49,411 an orphan. 1198 01:43:49,498 --> 01:43:52,876 I'm forwarding it on to you, 1199 01:43:52,877 --> 01:43:57,421 knowing you may not want it any more than I did at first. 1200 01:43:58,551 --> 01:44:01,469 If you do decide to take it on, 1201 01:44:01,554 --> 01:44:05,339 I hope you'll be able to succeed where I've failed. 1202 01:44:05,434 --> 01:44:09,267 If you calculate success and failure as I always have, 1203 01:44:09,356 --> 01:44:12,734 in money divided neatly into human suffering, 1204 01:44:12,735 --> 01:44:15,405 the arithmetic says... 1205 01:44:15,488 --> 01:44:17,527 I failed completely. 1206 01:44:19,117 --> 01:44:22,985 What it doesn't say is if I could go back, 1207 01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:28,787 knowing what I know now and where I'd end up if I got involved, 1208 01:44:28,879 --> 01:44:31,833 knowing all the numbers, all the odds, 1209 01:44:31,924 --> 01:44:33,964 all the angles... 1210 01:44:39,516 --> 01:44:41,759 I'd do it again. 1211 01:45:31,078 --> 01:45:32,739 Sorry. 1212 01:46:33,945 --> 01:46:35,571 Jesus! 1213 01:47:38,857 --> 01:47:40,435 I'm sorry. Yes? 1214 01:47:40,526 --> 01:47:44,606 The purpose of these questions is not to humiliate you, 1215 01:47:44,697 --> 01:47:47,782 but to verify the assets that you've declared. 1216 01:47:47,868 --> 01:47:49,411 I understand. 1217 01:47:49,495 --> 01:47:54,959 Because what you're asking your creditors to believe is... 1218 01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,910 - Well, it's hard to believe. - I know. 1219 01:47:59,006 --> 01:48:04,797 After 17 years of practicing law, all you have to show for it is... 1220 01:48:04,889 --> 01:48:08,388 14 dollars in a checking account and a portable radio? 1221 01:48:08,476 --> 01:48:10,351 That's correct. 1222 01:48:15,484 --> 01:48:17,442 Where did it all go? 1223 01:48:18,571 --> 01:48:19,651 The money? 1224 01:48:19,740 --> 01:48:24,735 The money, the property, the personal belongings. 1225 01:48:24,829 --> 01:48:29,409 The things one acquires in one's life, Mr Schlichtmann. 1226 01:48:31,086 --> 01:48:35,299 The things by which one measures one's life. 1227 01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:54,194 What happened?