1 00:00:29,122 --> 00:00:31,613 So this is the 300. 2 00:00:31,725 --> 00:00:35,923 The forward look. 1958 is here today. 3 00:00:36,029 --> 00:00:39,396 That's the ermine white. Seventeen coats, hand-sanded. 4 00:00:39,499 --> 00:00:42,525 - I'm sure it's the 17th coat that does it. - Power steering, power windows, 5 00:00:42,636 --> 00:00:44,627 power brakes, power mirrors. 6 00:00:44,738 --> 00:00:47,206 The new auto-pilot will make you virtually superfluous. 7 00:00:47,307 --> 00:00:50,071 - I'm not sure I need a car for that. - TorqueFlite transmission. 8 00:00:50,176 --> 00:00:52,576 The standard that sets the standard. 9 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:55,011 And the top operates by just the touch of a button. 10 00:00:55,115 --> 00:00:57,879 - I can feel the wind in my hair already. - You just out of school? 11 00:00:57,984 --> 00:01:00,953 - Harvard Law School. - That degree sells itself. 12 00:01:01,054 --> 00:01:02,988 Do you live here in Washington? 13 00:01:03,089 --> 00:01:06,081 - I've been working for the government. - Oh. 14 00:01:06,192 --> 00:01:08,854 - Not that it's permanent. - Oh. 15 00:01:08,962 --> 00:01:12,090 - Care to get behind the wheel, Mr. Goodman? - Goodwin. 16 00:01:12,198 --> 00:01:14,291 Oh. 17 00:01:14,401 --> 00:01:16,426 Just be careful with the cigar. 18 00:01:16,536 --> 00:01:19,300 Used to be a man drove the car. Now the car drives the man. 19 00:01:19,406 --> 00:01:21,567 Go on. Turn it over. 20 00:01:21,675 --> 00:01:24,667 - Here? Is it, uh... - Go on. It's in neutral. 21 00:01:32,052 --> 00:01:34,816 Listen to that power. 22 00:01:34,921 --> 00:01:38,186 - This is the town for it. - And with the new Bendix Electrojector, 23 00:01:38,291 --> 00:01:40,191 we can rate this honey up to... 24 00:01:40,293 --> 00:01:43,490 - 390 horsepower. - Correct to the hoof. 25 00:01:43,596 --> 00:01:46,963 - If my wife knew I was here, she'd kill me. - What a way to go. 26 00:01:47,067 --> 00:01:49,763 - Yeah. - I see you're admiring the seats. 27 00:01:49,869 --> 00:01:53,134 That's pigskin and calfskin. 28 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:55,139 Hand rubbed. 29 00:01:55,241 --> 00:01:59,234 - Nicest piece of furniture I own would be in the garage. - Try the radio. 30 00:01:59,346 --> 00:02:03,112 The only thing that sounds better than the engine is the radio. 31 00:02:07,087 --> 00:02:10,614 The Russians have beaten us into outer space. 32 00:02:10,724 --> 00:02:13,158 You are listening to the sound of Sputnik, 33 00:02:13,259 --> 00:02:16,319 a satellite launched this morning via rocket, 34 00:02:16,429 --> 00:02:19,227 in orbit, right now, directly over our heads. 35 00:02:19,332 --> 00:02:24,326 A sound that says all is not well with America. 36 00:02:24,437 --> 00:02:26,837 America doesn't own the 300. 37 00:02:32,345 --> 00:02:35,212 Oh, the shark, babe 38 00:02:35,315 --> 00:02:38,113 Has such teeth, dear 39 00:02:38,218 --> 00:02:40,948 And he shows them 40 00:02:41,054 --> 00:02:42,954 Pearly white 41 00:02:43,957 --> 00:02:46,790 Just a jackknife 42 00:02:46,893 --> 00:02:48,793 Has old Macheath, babe 43 00:02:49,996 --> 00:02:53,727 And he keeps it out of sight 44 00:02:55,168 --> 00:02:58,194 You know when that shark bites 45 00:02:58,304 --> 00:03:01,137 With his teeth, babe 46 00:03:01,241 --> 00:03:03,106 Scarlet billows 47 00:03:04,210 --> 00:03:06,804 Start to spread 48 00:03:06,913 --> 00:03:09,347 Fancy gloves, oh 49 00:03:09,449 --> 00:03:12,441 Wears old Macheath, babe 50 00:03:12,552 --> 00:03:14,713 So there's never 51 00:03:14,821 --> 00:03:16,789 Never a trace of red 52 00:03:18,224 --> 00:03:20,988 Now on the sidewalk uh-huh, uh-huh 53 00:03:21,094 --> 00:03:24,188 Ooh, Sunday mornin', uh-huh 54 00:03:24,297 --> 00:03:26,788 Lies a body 55 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:29,300 - Just oozin' life - Hi. 56 00:03:29,402 --> 00:03:32,860 And someone's sneakin' 57 00:03:32,972 --> 00:03:35,839 'Round the corner 58 00:03:35,942 --> 00:03:38,502 Could that someone 59 00:03:38,611 --> 00:03:41,580 Be Mack the Knife 60 00:03:41,681 --> 00:03:44,206 Now did ya hear about Louie Miller 61 00:03:44,317 --> 00:03:47,445 He disappeared, babe 62 00:03:47,554 --> 00:03:49,852 After drawin' out 63 00:03:49,956 --> 00:03:52,948 All his hard-earned cash 64 00:03:53,059 --> 00:03:55,857 And now Macheath spends 65 00:03:55,962 --> 00:03:58,021 Just like a sailor 66 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:03,865 Could it be our boy's done somethin' rash 67 00:04:05,038 --> 00:04:07,734 Ah, Jenny Diver 68 00:04:07,841 --> 00:04:10,969 Hey, Suki Tawdry 69 00:04:11,077 --> 00:04:13,637 Ooh, Miss Lotte Lenya 70 00:04:13,746 --> 00:04:16,874 And old Lucy Brown 71 00:04:16,983 --> 00:04:19,918 Oh, the line forms 72 00:04:20,019 --> 00:04:22,886 On the right, babe 73 00:04:22,989 --> 00:04:27,892 Now that Mackie's 74 00:04:29,095 --> 00:04:32,861 Back in town 75 00:04:32,966 --> 00:04:35,230 - What's this? Get this thing out of here. - It's not my station. 76 00:04:35,335 --> 00:04:38,463 - Yeah, yeah. Let's go. - We're still hot on the right. - Watch it. 77 00:04:42,909 --> 00:04:47,073 - Oh, it's very exciting. You know, my mother said that... - Hey, those are the questions. 78 00:04:47,180 --> 00:04:49,080 Ah, he's got the questions there. 79 00:04:49,182 --> 00:04:54,586 Like walking on the bottom of the sea, 80 00:04:54,687 --> 00:04:58,680 as if I had drowned long ago. 81 00:04:58,791 --> 00:05:00,986 - As if... - Five minutes, Mr. Barry. 82 00:05:03,663 --> 00:05:05,722 - We're ready, Mr. Barry. - You ready, America? 83 00:05:05,832 --> 00:05:09,632 - Oh, thanks, Tim. - All right, one minute. - Move a little to your left. 84 00:05:09,736 --> 00:05:12,227 - Hey, video, you done with the test patterns? - Camera one. 85 00:05:12,338 --> 00:05:14,533 Okay, clear the floor, folks. 86 00:05:14,641 --> 00:05:17,735 - Marty, you're still very hot. - Light it up, lighting. 87 00:05:17,844 --> 00:05:19,744 - Stand by. Thirty seconds. - Give me his opening shots, please. 88 00:05:19,846 --> 00:05:22,007 - Thirty seconds to air. - I'm getting a glare on camera one. 89 00:05:22,115 --> 00:05:25,346 You think you can adjust the barn door on Jack's back light? Yeah, if you can. 90 00:05:25,451 --> 00:05:28,648 - Twenty seconds. - My light okay? My nose doesn't look big? 91 00:05:28,755 --> 00:05:31,690 - You look great, Jack. - Last week I looked like a sun dial. 92 00:05:31,791 --> 00:05:33,258 Jack, we're on countdown. 93 00:05:33,426 --> 00:05:35,053 Coming to air in ten, 94 00:05:35,161 --> 00:05:37,425 - nine, eight, seven, - Stand by, timpani. Stand by, opening film. 95 00:05:37,530 --> 00:05:39,623 - Stand by, music. Stand by, announcer. ...six, five, 96 00:05:39,732 --> 00:05:42,860 ...four, three, two, one. - Cue the timpani. 97 00:05:44,846 --> 00:05:46,746 And fade up. Announce. 98 00:05:47,949 --> 00:05:50,850 Geritol. America's #1 tonic. 99 00:05:50,952 --> 00:05:53,785 Geritol, the fast-acting, high-potency tonic... 100 00:05:53,888 --> 00:05:56,857 that helps you feel stronger fast, 101 00:05:56,958 --> 00:06:00,052 presents the exciting quiz program... 102 00:06:00,161 --> 00:06:02,026 Twenty-One. 103 00:06:02,130 --> 00:06:05,964 Brought to you by NBC, the National Broadcasting Company, 104 00:06:06,067 --> 00:06:08,058 broadcasting nationally coast to coast, 105 00:06:08,169 --> 00:06:10,569 from New York to Los Angeles, 106 00:06:10,672 --> 00:06:12,867 from Seattle to St. Petersburg... 107 00:06:12,974 --> 00:06:17,070 via a vast network of affiliates crisscrossing the country. 108 00:06:17,178 --> 00:06:19,305 Coming up next, Twenty-One, 109 00:06:19,414 --> 00:06:22,042 starring master of ceremonies Jack Barry! 110 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:25,779 Two players racing to score 21 points, 111 00:06:27,055 --> 00:06:29,148 each in a soundproof television studio, 112 00:06:29,257 --> 00:06:31,350 not knowing the other one's score, 113 00:06:31,459 --> 00:06:35,020 - with $500 riding on each point... - Damn it! 114 00:06:35,129 --> 00:06:37,256 as they both play... 115 00:06:37,365 --> 00:06:39,265 Twenty-One! 116 00:06:41,636 --> 00:06:44,935 And here's your host, Jack Barry! 117 00:06:50,612 --> 00:06:52,580 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 118 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,083 Due to a series of ties, Herbert Stempel, our 29-year-old ex-G.I. college student, 119 00:06:57,185 --> 00:06:59,915 must play at $3,000 a point, 120 00:07:00,021 --> 00:07:01,921 which means that in a few brief minutes, 121 00:07:02,023 --> 00:07:06,926 he can either win as much as $100,000, the most money won on television to date, 122 00:07:07,028 --> 00:07:10,054 or lose everything he's won in the last eight weeks. 123 00:07:10,164 --> 00:07:13,133 You nervous? 124 00:07:13,234 --> 00:07:15,225 It's only money. 125 00:07:15,336 --> 00:07:17,395 Isolated in their soundproof studios, 126 00:07:17,505 --> 00:07:20,269 neither player is aware of the other's score. 127 00:07:20,375 --> 00:07:22,502 I've been assured by our friends at the encyclopedia... 128 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:25,511 that they've concocted some real brain-breakers this week, 129 00:07:25,613 --> 00:07:27,513 so we'll find out in the next 30 minutes... 130 00:07:27,615 --> 00:07:30,982 if the unstumpable Herbert Stempel can be stumped. 131 00:07:31,085 --> 00:07:34,714 Could I have the questions, please? 132 00:07:34,822 --> 00:07:37,814 Thank you, gentlemen. Remember, the questions on Twenty-One are secured each week... 133 00:07:37,926 --> 00:07:41,760 in a Manhattan bank vault 'til just before show time. 134 00:07:41,863 --> 00:07:45,094 So right now, let's meet Herbert Stempel and his challenger as Geritol, 135 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:48,293 American's #1 tonic, presents Twenty-One. 136 00:07:54,709 --> 00:07:56,677 Welcome back to the show, gentlemen. 137 00:07:56,778 --> 00:07:59,212 Mr. Peloubet, a very cordial welcome to you, sir. 138 00:07:59,314 --> 00:08:01,305 How are you, Herb? How's everything in Queens? 139 00:08:01,416 --> 00:08:04,146 - Fine, Mr. Barry. - It's a nervous strain in the family, I bet. 140 00:08:04,252 --> 00:08:07,915 - How's your wife holding out? - She's fine, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Barry, for asking. 141 00:08:08,022 --> 00:08:11,617 As you know, Herb, the questions are graded for difficulty by the Encyclopedia Britannica... 142 00:08:11,726 --> 00:08:15,025 I might add that my wife no longer suffers from tired blood, 143 00:08:15,129 --> 00:08:17,097 now that I've got her on Geritol. 144 00:08:17,198 --> 00:08:19,098 That's fine. Graded on a scale from one... 145 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,327 I personally vouch that it's a fine product. 146 00:08:21,436 --> 00:08:24,837 I'm sure our sponsor will be pleased to know that. Now, to get on with the show... 147 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:27,407 I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Geritol... 148 00:08:27,508 --> 00:08:31,000 for giving a poor ex-G.I. this amazing opportunity... 149 00:08:31,112 --> 00:08:33,410 to realize his dream of a college education. 150 00:08:36,084 --> 00:08:38,177 Now there's a face for radio. 151 00:08:39,253 --> 00:08:42,381 Dick Peloubet back again from sunny Miami, Florida, and Herb Stempel. 152 00:08:42,490 --> 00:08:44,720 - Yeah. - Stempel is giving me a headache. 153 00:08:44,826 --> 00:08:47,351 - Well, he sells Geritol. - Have you seen the ratings? 154 00:08:47,462 --> 00:08:50,488 - Well, they've evened out. - I don't think he works anymore. 155 00:08:50,598 --> 00:08:54,534 Stempel is an underdog. You know, people root for that. It's a New York thing. 156 00:08:54,635 --> 00:08:57,160 Queens is not New York. 157 00:08:57,271 --> 00:08:59,330 Let's play Twenty-One. 158 00:09:11,152 --> 00:09:13,052 Mr. Kintner's office, please. 159 00:09:13,154 --> 00:09:15,452 Office of the president. Could you hold, please? 160 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:17,490 Mr. Kintner's office. 161 00:09:17,592 --> 00:09:20,322 Once inside the isolation booth, neither player can see the other, 162 00:09:20,428 --> 00:09:24,922 nor can they hear anything until I turn their studios on, which I'm gonna do right now. 163 00:09:27,335 --> 00:09:29,496 All right, gentlemen? 164 00:09:29,604 --> 00:09:32,869 - He's not hurting sales, is he? - He just doesn't think he works. 165 00:09:32,974 --> 00:09:34,874 - Why? - Look, I don't know. 166 00:09:34,976 --> 00:09:38,844 I guess the sponsor wants a guy on Twenty-One who looks like he'd get a table at 21. 167 00:09:38,946 --> 00:09:41,881 You just tell him I said Stempel has an everyman quality. 168 00:09:41,983 --> 00:09:45,180 You know that whole American dream thing? You, too, can be rich? 169 00:09:45,286 --> 00:09:47,948 - If the ratings stay high. - Very funny. 170 00:09:48,056 --> 00:09:51,184 I'm just passing it along, sir. 171 00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:58,595 Every schoolboy knows about the midnight ride of Paul Revere. 172 00:09:58,699 --> 00:10:02,999 For 11 points, how many lanterns were hung in the Old North Church? 173 00:10:03,104 --> 00:10:05,902 Who rode with Paul Revere? Who lent him his horse? 174 00:10:06,007 --> 00:10:08,066 Was it a mare or a stallion? 175 00:10:08,176 --> 00:10:10,576 And what was the horse's name? 176 00:10:10,678 --> 00:10:13,272 - Stand by, Joe, on Herbie. - Kill the air. 177 00:10:13,381 --> 00:10:15,611 Tommy, air off. 178 00:10:23,224 --> 00:10:25,124 Uh... 179 00:10:25,226 --> 00:10:27,990 A little tighter. Kelly, put the sign up. 180 00:10:28,096 --> 00:10:31,623 Control booth. Uh, yeah, hold on, sir. 181 00:10:31,732 --> 00:10:34,030 Dan, it's for you. It's Kintner. 182 00:10:36,170 --> 00:10:39,765 Would you mind, Mr. Barry, could I take the third part last? 183 00:10:39,874 --> 00:10:42,468 That's fine. 184 00:10:42,577 --> 00:10:47,640 The code was, uh, "One if by land, two if by sea." 185 00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:51,479 Therefore, it would have to be two lanterns in the Old North Church. 186 00:10:51,586 --> 00:10:55,022 That's right. And the second part. Who rode with him? 187 00:10:55,123 --> 00:10:58,581 - Dawes and Prescott. - Dawes and Prescott. 188 00:11:01,696 --> 00:11:03,721 What these books have conclusively proven... 189 00:11:03,831 --> 00:11:07,460 is that the difference between men and women is exactly 38 pages. 190 00:11:07,568 --> 00:11:09,968 - Can I quote you, Mark? - Not before I quote me. 191 00:11:10,071 --> 00:11:12,005 His own quotes are his greatest pleasure. 192 00:11:12,106 --> 00:11:14,802 Did you hear the market dropped 30 points today? There's a rumor Eisenhower died. 193 00:11:14,909 --> 00:11:18,003 - How would they tell? - Oh, please, don't get Dorothy started on politics. 194 00:11:18,112 --> 00:11:20,307 - There'll be a raid. - Good night. 195 00:11:20,414 --> 00:11:23,315 Good night, Dorothy. Sorry I'm late. It's impossible out there. 196 00:11:23,417 --> 00:11:27,148 - You can't get a cab without a dragnet. - Eisenhower died. 197 00:11:27,255 --> 00:11:30,247 - What? - Professor Van Doren, I took your course at Columbia... 198 00:11:30,358 --> 00:11:32,724 "Hawthorne, Original Sin and the American Experience." 199 00:11:32,827 --> 00:11:35,853 - Nixon is president? - Well, as silly as it sounds, it changed my life. 200 00:11:35,963 --> 00:11:40,696 - Was it the Hawthorne or the sin? - Perhaps you'd like to meet my son, the unmarried Van Doren. 201 00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:43,167 - Oh, where is Charlie? - You're right again, Herb. 202 00:11:43,271 --> 00:11:46,832 You got the first two parts correct. Just three more for 11 points. 203 00:11:46,941 --> 00:11:48,966 Excuse me. Are you the son? 204 00:11:49,076 --> 00:11:52,842 - I'm Charlie. Pleasure. - Elizabeth. The pleasure's all mine. 205 00:11:52,947 --> 00:11:55,347 It was a mare, Mr. Barry. 206 00:11:55,449 --> 00:11:57,417 How did he know that? 207 00:11:57,518 --> 00:12:02,182 - Oh, there you are. - We're making our getaway, Charlie, if you want a ride. 208 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:04,315 Have you ever watched one of these quiz shows, Dad? 209 00:12:04,425 --> 00:12:07,417 The $64,000 Question or Twenty-One? 210 00:12:07,528 --> 00:12:11,225 For $64,000, I hope they ask you the meaning of life. 211 00:12:11,332 --> 00:12:16,269 Okay, Herb, finally: Name the man who loaned Paul Revere his horse... 212 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:18,395 for that fateful midnight ride. 213 00:12:18,506 --> 00:12:20,406 The horse. Who loaned him the horse? 214 00:12:20,508 --> 00:12:23,602 - Okay, Herb, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for your answer. - Yes, Mr. Barry. 215 00:12:23,711 --> 00:12:27,545 Look, just give him what he wants. I don't want to talk to these agency guys. 216 00:12:27,648 --> 00:12:31,140 - So what do you want me to do, Mr. Kintner? - You're a producer, Dan. 217 00:12:31,252 --> 00:12:33,277 - Produce. - Would you like more time, Herb? 218 00:12:33,387 --> 00:12:35,548 - Right. - If I may. 219 00:12:39,126 --> 00:12:41,185 Herbie's dead. 220 00:12:41,295 --> 00:12:44,560 Larkin? Deacon John Larkin? 221 00:12:44,665 --> 00:12:46,860 That's correct for 11 points! 222 00:12:50,738 --> 00:12:55,266 All right, Herb, take a deep breath and relax, will you? 223 00:12:55,376 --> 00:12:58,971 And we'll get back to the game after this word from our sponsor. 224 00:13:01,849 --> 00:13:05,649 Now, friends, I was just wondering, what kind of a day did you have today? 225 00:13:05,753 --> 00:13:08,654 Did you greet the sunrise with plenty of vim, vigor and vitality, 226 00:13:08,756 --> 00:13:11,987 only to feel the wind go out of your sails just after lunchtime? 227 00:13:12,093 --> 00:13:14,186 Do you find you're not having as much fun as you used to? 228 00:13:15,763 --> 00:13:18,732 - This beats the subway, huh, Mr. Stempel? - You said it. 229 00:13:26,641 --> 00:13:28,871 - Hey, Dave! - Hey, Herbie! 230 00:13:31,078 --> 00:13:33,740 You were the greatest tonight, Herbie! 231 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:38,848 Great, huh, big guy? 232 00:13:38,953 --> 00:13:42,684 - Hey, the audience really loves you! - Herbie, you remember me when! 233 00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:44,781 Herbie! I remember you when! 234 00:13:44,892 --> 00:13:47,793 - Hi, Ellen. - Hey, Herbie, what color was she? 235 00:13:47,895 --> 00:13:50,693 You looked so good on TV tonight, Herbie! 236 00:13:50,798 --> 00:13:55,462 - You should have gone for 11 on the movies, Herbie. - You should win $100,000. 237 00:13:55,569 --> 00:13:57,469 Hey, you were really cookin' tonight, Stempel. 238 00:13:57,571 --> 00:13:59,732 - Of course I watched it. - You didn't go to the show? 239 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,331 The genius is home. The rich genius is home. 240 00:14:02,443 --> 00:14:06,072 - I watched it on television like everybody else. - Would you tell him that... 241 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:08,080 You were great tonight, Herb. 242 00:14:08,182 --> 00:14:10,207 Come on. I wanna dance. Dance with me. 243 00:14:10,318 --> 00:14:13,378 - Looking for the light - Would you ask him for me, please, right now? 244 00:14:13,487 --> 00:14:18,015 - Of a new love - Mother wants to know why you only went for 8 on the movies. 245 00:14:18,125 --> 00:14:21,458 Because my real expertise is pain-in-the-ass in-laws. Now would you get off the phone? 246 00:14:21,562 --> 00:14:24,793 - I'm not gonna start with this. - Tell him that everybody is watching that show. 247 00:14:24,899 --> 00:14:27,800 Steve Allen is gettin' a busy signal because my mother-in-law won't shut up. 248 00:14:27,902 --> 00:14:31,133 - Look, Ma, I got... I gotta go. - You're upset, and I don't want to have to deal with it. 249 00:14:31,238 --> 00:14:33,399 - All right. Good-bye. - Call me before you go to bed. That's all I'm sayin'. 250 00:14:33,507 --> 00:14:37,534 What are you doin'? My father paid good money for this suit. 251 00:14:37,645 --> 00:14:41,274 - He wore it to his own funeral. - You make it sound like it was the suit that killed him. 252 00:14:41,382 --> 00:14:45,148 You wanna know why Enright makes me wear that suit? Because it makes me look like a schmuck. 253 00:14:45,252 --> 00:14:47,152 Yeah, well, stop actin' like a schmuck then. 254 00:14:47,254 --> 00:14:50,815 You don't get it, do you? I go out on the street, and everybody knows me. 255 00:14:50,925 --> 00:14:55,419 Me. Herb Stempel. And they love me for the same reason they used to hate me. 256 00:14:55,529 --> 00:14:57,554 Because I'm the guy who knows everything. 257 00:14:57,665 --> 00:15:01,226 You should worship the ground I walk on, what my family's done for you. 258 00:15:01,335 --> 00:15:03,633 You wanna be worshipped? Go to lndia and moo. 259 00:15:03,738 --> 00:15:06,866 Without my family, you'd be on that show in your underwear. 260 00:15:06,974 --> 00:15:09,841 Things are gonna change around here, boy. 261 00:15:09,944 --> 00:15:12,242 What does that mean, everything's gonna change? 262 00:15:12,346 --> 00:15:15,179 You think I should get my teeth capped? 263 00:15:17,518 --> 00:15:19,418 What's gonna change, Herbert? 264 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,681 Everything's gonna change. 265 00:15:23,224 --> 00:15:26,455 For us. 266 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,994 Hey, what the hell were you thinking? 267 00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:32,293 Toby, that box is the biggest thing... 268 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,301 since Gutenberg invented the printing press, 269 00:15:35,403 --> 00:15:37,303 and I'm the biggest thing on it. 270 00:15:38,839 --> 00:15:41,103 We don't need your mother and her money anymore. 271 00:15:41,208 --> 00:15:44,473 Don't you wanna tell her where to get off after 28 years? 272 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,380 Now would you please... 273 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:51,477 dance with me? 274 00:15:51,585 --> 00:15:54,816 Dancing in the dark 275 00:15:54,922 --> 00:15:56,981 Until the tune ends 276 00:15:57,091 --> 00:16:01,391 We're dancing in the dark 277 00:16:01,495 --> 00:16:03,986 And it soon ends 278 00:16:04,098 --> 00:16:05,998 We're waltzing 279 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:11,333 In the wonder of why we're here... 280 00:16:11,439 --> 00:16:14,033 Because of a disagreement with his commanding general, 281 00:16:14,141 --> 00:16:19,374 Ulysses S. Grant was virtually placed under arrest for a brief time early in 1862. 282 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,074 Who was the commanding general of the Union army at that time? 283 00:16:22,183 --> 00:16:25,619 Oh, I know that. Uh, Halleck. General H.W. Halleck. 284 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:29,211 That's correct. Who was Sebastian Cabot... 285 00:16:29,323 --> 00:16:31,791 - and what country was he in the service of? - Hey, Terry. 286 00:16:31,892 --> 00:16:35,658 - He was, uh, an explorer from Spain. - That's correct. 287 00:16:35,763 --> 00:16:39,631 - Who founded the former hub of the Byzantine Empire, - Who's that guy in the corner? 288 00:16:39,733 --> 00:16:41,701 - Constantinople? - Constantine the First. 289 00:16:41,802 --> 00:16:43,702 Charles Van Doren. 290 00:16:43,804 --> 00:16:46,398 Charles Van Doren? Like Van Doren Van Doren? 291 00:16:48,108 --> 00:16:50,975 - He wants to be on Tic-Tac-Dough? - I guess so. 292 00:16:51,078 --> 00:16:54,013 - Meriwether Lewis. - That's it. 293 00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:56,981 Who was the editor of the socialist paper... 294 00:16:57,084 --> 00:16:59,518 Oh, this is the guy. This is the guy 295 00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:01,884 I got the guy I got the guy 296 00:17:01,989 --> 00:17:03,889 I got the guy! 297 00:17:04,992 --> 00:17:07,517 I got the guy. 298 00:17:07,895 --> 00:17:09,556 So I turned to astrophysics, 299 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:13,191 but, of course, as you know, all the great physicists were great before the age of 25. 300 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,564 It just wasn't in the cards. 301 00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:20,038 - So I went to Paris and wrote my novel about a patricide. - What? 302 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:23,769 A boy who kills his father. 303 00:17:23,878 --> 00:17:25,812 M-My dad liked it quite a lot, actually, 304 00:17:25,913 --> 00:17:29,144 although you could fill Yankee Stadium with the world's mediocre novelists. 305 00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:31,047 And your father is Carl Van Doren. 306 00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:33,881 My uncle. My father is Mark Van Doren, the poet. 307 00:17:33,988 --> 00:17:37,446 He also teaches... I-I mean, I also teach at Columbia. Literature. 308 00:17:37,558 --> 00:17:41,426 - Same as, uh, same as Dad. - Oh, same as Dad, huh? That's nice. 309 00:17:41,529 --> 00:17:43,588 Could I ask you a personal question, Professor? 310 00:17:43,697 --> 00:17:45,824 Actually, I'm not a professor yet. I'm just an instructor. 311 00:17:45,933 --> 00:17:47,867 How much do they pay instructors up at Columbia? 312 00:17:47,968 --> 00:17:51,768 - Eighty-six dollars a week. - You have any idea how much Bozo the Clown makes? 313 00:17:51,872 --> 00:17:54,102 Well, we... we can't all be Bozo the Clown. 314 00:17:54,208 --> 00:17:56,802 No, no, not to question your choice of profession. Not at all. 315 00:17:56,911 --> 00:17:59,812 I'm questioning the values of a society that pays somebody like you... 316 00:17:59,914 --> 00:18:01,814 - What was it? - Eighty-six dollars a week. 317 00:18:01,916 --> 00:18:04,476 Eighty-six dollars a week. You plan on raising a family, right, Professor? 318 00:18:04,585 --> 00:18:07,418 - Yes, I hope to, very much. - Can you imagine raising a family on 86 dollars a week? 319 00:18:07,521 --> 00:18:10,957 Eighty-six dollars a week. And meanwhile, look at the crisis of education in this country. 320 00:18:11,058 --> 00:18:13,754 W-Well, yes, I-I agree. It's a national problem. 321 00:18:13,861 --> 00:18:16,455 So I understand you came down to try out for Tic-Tac-Dough. 322 00:18:16,564 --> 00:18:20,557 Well, my friends tell me I have a good mind for this sort of thing. They coaxed me... 323 00:18:20,668 --> 00:18:24,035 How'd you like to be on Twenty-One? 324 00:18:24,138 --> 00:18:26,572 - Twenty-One? - Dan produces both shows. 325 00:18:26,674 --> 00:18:28,801 You're young; you're clean-cut; You're from a prominent family. 326 00:18:28,909 --> 00:18:31,275 Kids would run to do their homework to be like Charles Van Doren. 327 00:18:31,378 --> 00:18:33,710 - What about, uh, Herbert Stempel? - What about him? 328 00:18:33,814 --> 00:18:36,305 - Herb? Oh, I love him. People don't like him. - Well, we love Herb. 329 00:18:36,417 --> 00:18:38,783 - Kids don't look up to him. - If you were a kid, would you want to be... 330 00:18:38,886 --> 00:18:41,047 an annoying Jewish guy with a sidewall haircut? 331 00:18:41,155 --> 00:18:44,522 - Well, I wanted to be Joe DiMaggio. - Oh, yeah? Me too. 332 00:18:44,625 --> 00:18:46,786 - Especially after he signed for the hundred grand. - Yeah, Al... 333 00:18:46,894 --> 00:18:50,386 But you see, that's what this country needs, is an intellectual Joe DiMaggio, 334 00:18:50,497 --> 00:18:53,864 with the women and the money and all of it, but from his brain instead of a bat and ball. 335 00:18:53,968 --> 00:18:56,562 - Dan. - I know. You're probably right. 336 00:18:56,670 --> 00:19:00,367 Yeah, boy. What are we gonna do here? 337 00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:03,475 Well, I could take a whack at it. 338 00:19:08,382 --> 00:19:13,081 Yeah, see, the problem, Professor, is the old college try ain't gonna do it. 339 00:19:13,187 --> 00:19:16,054 And you've seen Stempel. The guy's unbeatable. 340 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:18,750 I have to admit Tic-Tac-Dough seemed more feasible. 341 00:19:18,859 --> 00:19:21,987 What if we were to put you on the show... 342 00:19:22,096 --> 00:19:25,156 Put you on Twenty-One and ask you questions that you know. 343 00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:28,757 Say, the questions that he answered correctly on the test this morning. 344 00:19:28,869 --> 00:19:31,702 - I-I don't follow you. - Just thinkin' out loud. 345 00:19:31,805 --> 00:19:35,468 I thought the questions were in a bank vault. 346 00:19:35,576 --> 00:19:37,840 - In a way, they are. - You wanna win, don't you? 347 00:19:37,945 --> 00:19:42,314 - Well, I think I'd really rather try to beat him honestly. - What's dishonest? 348 00:19:42,416 --> 00:19:45,613 When Gregory Peck parachutes behind enemy lines, do you think that's really Gregory Peck? 349 00:19:45,719 --> 00:19:48,620 That book that Eisenhower wrote? A ghostwriter wrote it. Nobody cares. 350 00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:51,623 It's not like we'd be giving you the answers. Just 'cause we know you know, you still know. 351 00:19:51,725 --> 00:19:53,750 Right. It's not like you're putting me on the show, or Al, 352 00:19:53,861 --> 00:19:56,159 and pretending to be some sort of intellectual. 353 00:19:56,263 --> 00:19:58,754 You have put in years of study and erudition. 354 00:19:58,866 --> 00:20:03,166 I mean, I... I'm just trying to imagine what Kant would make of this. 355 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:05,670 I don't think he'd have a problem with it. 356 00:20:05,773 --> 00:20:08,537 Think about what this could mean for the cause of education. 357 00:20:08,642 --> 00:20:11,372 Forty million people will watch you on Twenty-One. 358 00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:14,379 It's not like anybody has to know. Just us three. 359 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:26,154 It just doesn't seem right. 360 00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:28,660 I-I'd have to say no. 361 00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:32,564 Just an idea. 362 00:20:35,869 --> 00:20:38,565 Was that part of the test? 363 00:20:48,215 --> 00:20:50,115 - So we're okay. - You're gonna give it a try. 364 00:20:50,217 --> 00:20:54,210 Well, uh, I just want to make sure it'll be, you know, not... 365 00:20:54,321 --> 00:20:56,221 the way we discussed it before? 366 00:20:56,323 --> 00:20:59,383 - No. So pure, it floats. - Not at all. 367 00:20:59,493 --> 00:21:01,484 Okay? So we'll see you Monday night then. 368 00:21:01,595 --> 00:21:03,756 - You'll come by and see how the show works. - Great. 369 00:21:03,864 --> 00:21:05,832 - All right. And we'll look forward to that. - Monday night. 370 00:21:05,933 --> 00:21:07,833 - Nice meeting you. - Okay. Good-bye. 371 00:21:07,935 --> 00:21:10,267 - Take care. - Bye-bye. 372 00:21:11,572 --> 00:21:15,736 - Reservations are at 9:00. - Thanks. All right. 373 00:21:15,843 --> 00:21:18,141 - Boys. Hi, Jack. - Hi, Jack. 374 00:21:18,245 --> 00:21:21,806 - Who's that? - That's Charles Van Doren. 375 00:21:21,915 --> 00:21:24,645 - As in Van Doren Van Doren? - Van Doren. Yes. 376 00:21:24,752 --> 00:21:28,483 - Oh. - He wants to be on Tic-Tac-Dough. 377 00:21:28,589 --> 00:21:32,491 Now, why would a guy like that want to be on a quiz show? 378 00:21:35,796 --> 00:21:37,730 Richard Goodwin. I'm an investigator. 379 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,400 An investigator. Richard Goodwin with the Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 380 00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:46,405 I'm calling because the rate schedules for the Baltimore and Ohio... 381 00:21:46,507 --> 00:21:50,705 for the first four months of 1954 seem to be missing from the documents you just sent me. 382 00:21:50,811 --> 00:21:52,745 Oh, go get 'em, Dickie. They're sweatin' now. 383 00:21:52,846 --> 00:21:55,178 Do they know you were first in your class at Harvard Law School? 384 00:21:55,282 --> 00:21:57,773 Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. I was first in my class at Harvard Law School. 385 00:21:57,885 --> 00:22:00,445 - There we go. What have you got? - Forty-three seconds. 386 00:22:00,554 --> 00:22:02,385 - Not bad. - Railroad regulation. 387 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:06,289 - Now that's political dynamite he's playing with. - Oh, just an oversight. 388 00:22:06,393 --> 00:22:08,554 - We're an oversight committee. - Right. 389 00:22:08,662 --> 00:22:10,562 The end of next week. That'll be just fine. 390 00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:12,564 And I'll send you a little helpful reminder, okay? 391 00:22:12,666 --> 00:22:15,863 - You'll notice it 'cause it'll look very much like a subpoena. - Ohhh. 392 00:22:15,969 --> 00:22:19,234 - Thank you. - You know, Dick, you stick with this... I don't know. 393 00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:23,002 Ten, fifteen years, you could bring the lnterstate Commerce Commission to its knees. 394 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:25,704 Of course, by then, there may not be railroads. 395 00:22:25,813 --> 00:22:28,805 You'll still be sittin' right there, too, Alex. 396 00:22:28,916 --> 00:22:31,180 - He's so sensitive. - Truce. 397 00:22:32,286 --> 00:22:34,186 Herb, you got ten points. 398 00:22:34,288 --> 00:22:37,951 The category is "Explorers." How many you want to try for? 399 00:22:38,058 --> 00:22:40,993 - I'll try for 11 points, Mr. Barry. - Hello! 400 00:22:41,094 --> 00:22:43,119 Gonna go all the way, huh? All right. 401 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:47,758 I'm gonna name four spots on the globe. You name the explorer who discovered them. 402 00:22:47,868 --> 00:22:51,326 - First: Newfoundland. - John Cabot. 403 00:22:51,438 --> 00:22:54,100 Hi. I see you're really churning out the chapters today. 404 00:22:54,208 --> 00:22:56,938 Go away. No cigar in the bedroom. 405 00:22:57,044 --> 00:23:00,172 - That's correct. The Cape of Good Hope. - Out. 406 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,942 No cigar in the bedroom. We allow a television in the bedroom, 407 00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:05,075 but no cigar in the bedroom. 408 00:23:05,185 --> 00:23:07,210 - This... - Bartolomeu Dias. 409 00:23:07,321 --> 00:23:09,619 - He originally called it... - You're right, Herb. 410 00:23:09,723 --> 00:23:13,284 So today, chairman calls me aside. 411 00:23:13,393 --> 00:23:15,418 My big break, right? 412 00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:20,728 He asks me to write him a speech to deliver to the Kiwanis Club of Arkadelphia, Arkansas. 413 00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:23,735 You're good at that. Gee, do we get to go there? 414 00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:27,637 Yeah. Just like to know where the challenge is. 415 00:23:27,741 --> 00:23:30,369 You know? I feel like a race horse whose gate won't open. 416 00:23:30,477 --> 00:23:32,911 You didn't want the Wall Street job. 417 00:23:33,013 --> 00:23:36,346 Yeah, I know. Well, money isn't everything. 418 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:39,886 I'm not the one who came home with the Chrysler catalogue. 419 00:23:39,987 --> 00:23:43,514 Give me the name of the explorer who discovered Mozambique. 420 00:23:43,624 --> 00:23:46,525 - Vasco da Gama. - Vasco da Gama. 421 00:23:46,627 --> 00:23:49,755 - Well... - Maybe I should get on a quiz show. 422 00:23:50,931 --> 00:23:53,627 At least I could get in my own bedroom. 423 00:23:53,734 --> 00:23:56,498 It's just a job, Dick. It's not sex. 424 00:23:59,206 --> 00:24:00,901 Vasco da Gama? 425 00:24:01,008 --> 00:24:03,272 - Great show, Herbie. - Terrific show. I really think so. 426 00:24:03,377 --> 00:24:05,607 - Jack, wasn't Herb terrific tonight? - Can't you see I'm busy, Dan? 427 00:24:05,712 --> 00:24:08,579 - Oh, Herb, I'd like you to meet next week's challenger, - Okay. 428 00:24:08,682 --> 00:24:13,278 - Charles Van Doren. - Hello. I'm scared of you. Boy, oh, boy, let me tell you. 429 00:24:13,387 --> 00:24:15,821 Scared of me? 430 00:24:24,498 --> 00:24:27,592 - More wine, Herb? - Thank you, Dan. Why not? 431 00:24:32,205 --> 00:24:34,696 You've earned it. How's that steak? 432 00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:37,402 Nothing like a fine piece of meat. 433 00:24:37,511 --> 00:24:40,412 You know, Herb, it's a hell of a thing. I'm lookin' at the thing today. 434 00:24:40,514 --> 00:24:42,414 - You know, the Trendex rating? - Yeah? 435 00:24:42,516 --> 00:24:45,314 Well, it's the damndest thing, but you've plateaued. 436 00:24:45,419 --> 00:24:49,150 Plateaued? Wh-What kind of word is that? 437 00:24:49,256 --> 00:24:51,224 - What, plateaued? - Plateaued. 438 00:24:51,325 --> 00:24:53,293 Plateaued? Uh, well, it's like, uh, you... 439 00:24:53,393 --> 00:24:56,385 - You mean people don't like me anymore? - No, no, no, it's not you per se. 440 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:58,487 - It's just... No, it's... - Maybe I should get my teeth capped. 441 00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:01,624 It's the nature of the show. They've already seen you win, and they want something new. 442 00:25:01,735 --> 00:25:04,898 So what are you saying? You think they want me to lose? 443 00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:06,996 Well, don't you think that's natural? 444 00:25:07,107 --> 00:25:10,304 Joe Louis was the champ for 12 years. Nobody ever wanted Joe Louis to lose. 445 00:25:10,410 --> 00:25:14,176 - Think about the cause of education. - The cause of education? 446 00:25:14,281 --> 00:25:19,685 I waited 29 years for this. Now I'm supposed to take a dive for the cause of education? 447 00:25:19,786 --> 00:25:22,755 I didn't say take a dive. Now I'm askin' you for your help. 448 00:25:22,856 --> 00:25:25,120 Fine. Just let me play it honestly. 449 00:25:25,225 --> 00:25:28,319 - Will you keep your voice down? - Give me a number. Go ahead. Give me a number. 450 00:25:28,428 --> 00:25:32,956 - Excuse me, sir. Give me a number, a-a random number. - I don't know. Twenty-three? 451 00:25:33,066 --> 00:25:35,933 Beethoven was 23 when he composed his first piano sonata. 452 00:25:36,036 --> 00:25:40,302 In 1923, Jack Bentley set the record for average by a pitcher, batting .427. 453 00:25:40,407 --> 00:25:42,307 There are 23 chromosomes in the human egg. 454 00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:44,309 - Herb... - Also, the human sperm. 455 00:25:44,411 --> 00:25:47,642 Twenty-third president: Benjamin Harrison. Asian countries along the 23rd parallel... 456 00:25:47,748 --> 00:25:49,409 Look, don't start believing your own bullshit, all right? 457 00:25:49,516 --> 00:25:51,711 You wouldn't know the name of Paul Revere's horse if he took a crap on your lawn. 458 00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:53,843 - She. - What? 459 00:25:53,954 --> 00:25:57,117 - It was a mare, remember? - Look, you lose when I tell you to lose. 460 00:25:57,224 --> 00:25:59,124 - But why now? - It's an arrangement. 461 00:25:59,226 --> 00:26:02,127 - It's always been an arrangement. - But if you told me to lose before, 462 00:26:02,229 --> 00:26:04,697 if you told me to lose right from the beginning, that I'd understand. 463 00:26:04,798 --> 00:26:07,767 That'd be the story of my life. But why now? What did I do? 464 00:26:07,868 --> 00:26:12,305 Look at the big picture. It's not like television is gonna go away, you know. 465 00:26:12,406 --> 00:26:15,898 - I mean, think about the future. - You mean like a panel show? 466 00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:19,342 Uh, check. Look, I'm gonna do what I can do, Herb. 467 00:26:19,446 --> 00:26:21,914 But meanwhile, maybe you could use somebody to talk to. 468 00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:25,416 I'm gonna give you the name of my analyst. Just send me the bills. 469 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,454 - You know, I could be terrific on one of those panel shows. - Here you go, sir. 470 00:26:28,555 --> 00:26:31,718 Witty, off-the-cuff. A Bill Cullen sort of thing. 471 00:26:31,825 --> 00:26:34,089 Now the last category is movies. 472 00:26:34,194 --> 00:26:37,527 We're gonna ask you what won the Academy Award for Best Picture in 1955. 473 00:26:37,631 --> 00:26:40,156 You don't know it. Your answer On The Waterfront. 474 00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:44,327 Oh, no. Oh, no. Don't... Don't do that. 475 00:26:44,438 --> 00:26:47,464 Not Marty. I saw Marty three times. 476 00:26:47,574 --> 00:26:50,543 The Best Picture from two years ago and I don't know it? 477 00:26:50,644 --> 00:26:52,669 Someone of your intellect, and it's such a simple question. 478 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:55,839 - Don't you see the drama of that? - Drama? 479 00:26:55,949 --> 00:26:58,281 Herb, don't do this to yourself. 480 00:26:58,385 --> 00:27:02,014 Please, let me lose on a physics question, not Marty, Dan. 481 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:05,952 Don't do this to me. It's too humiliating. 482 00:27:06,059 --> 00:27:09,119 For 70 grand, Herb, you can afford to be humiliated. 483 00:27:22,209 --> 00:27:24,905 - Who was the captain of the Mayflower? - Christopher Jones. 484 00:27:25,011 --> 00:27:26,911 - What year? - 1620. 485 00:27:27,013 --> 00:27:29,004 Here's Mr. Moto! 486 00:27:29,116 --> 00:27:31,414 And we'll return to Mr. Moto after this. 487 00:27:31,518 --> 00:27:34,112 Will Herbert Stempel become the first man... 488 00:27:34,221 --> 00:27:37,247 to win over $100,000 on television? 489 00:27:37,357 --> 00:27:40,224 No, Herbert Stempel is not going to win over $100,000. 490 00:27:40,327 --> 00:27:42,227 Herbert Stempel is going to take a dive! 491 00:27:42,329 --> 00:27:44,854 Dad, the quiz is tomorrow. If you're gonna talk to the TV... 492 00:27:44,965 --> 00:27:48,731 - All right, big shot. So who bought Manhattan lsland from the lndians? - Peter Minuit. 493 00:27:48,835 --> 00:27:50,735 - What year? - 1626. 494 00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:52,896 - How much? - Twenty-four dollars. 495 00:27:53,006 --> 00:27:55,304 ...this week on Twenty-One. 496 00:27:55,408 --> 00:27:58,002 - Now back to our program. - This week on Twenty-One, 497 00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:00,579 watch Herb Stempel be fed to the Columbia Lions. 498 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,379 Watch Charles Van Doren eat his first kosher meal on Twenty-One. 499 00:28:05,485 --> 00:28:09,114 What are you doing? Why aren't you dressed? 500 00:28:09,222 --> 00:28:14,023 The child has to learn. The child has to learn the depths that humanity can sink to. 501 00:28:14,127 --> 00:28:17,028 The tribes of the lroquois League: Mohawks, 502 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:20,327 - Cayugas, Oneidas... - Twenty-four bucks for Manhattan. First the lndians, then us. 503 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,334 - What's eatin' you? - You know why they call them lndians? 504 00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:25,336 - Because Columbus thought he was in lndia. - Mohawks, Cayugas... 505 00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:27,804 They're lndians because some white guy got lost. 506 00:28:27,908 --> 00:28:31,002 You're gonna give him your ulcer. Let him grow up with his own ulcer. 507 00:28:31,111 --> 00:28:34,603 - He wouldn't let me practice my drums. - Who won Best Picture for 1955? 508 00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:36,614 - Marty. Marty. - Thank you. 509 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:39,207 - Well, what's the problem? - Lester, do me a favor. 510 00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:42,880 Go in your bedroom, do your homework, all right? Hey, hey! 511 00:28:42,989 --> 00:28:45,014 With your books. 512 00:28:45,959 --> 00:28:47,859 Homework with your books. 513 00:28:52,098 --> 00:28:55,499 - They want me to take a dive. - What? 514 00:28:55,602 --> 00:28:59,902 They're going to ask me what won the Best Picture for 1955, 515 00:29:00,006 --> 00:29:03,237 and I have to answer On The Waterfront. 516 00:29:03,343 --> 00:29:06,312 They have to utz me with a question any child knows. 517 00:29:09,583 --> 00:29:12,416 H-How can they do that? I thought the questions were in a bank vault. 518 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,386 They just put me in an isolation booth and pump cyanide into it. 519 00:29:15,488 --> 00:29:17,513 Herbie, they can't do that. 520 00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:20,354 - How can they do that? - Well, obviously, Toby, 521 00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:22,928 this particular question isn't in the bank vault. 522 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:26,089 - Why? - How the hell do I know why? 523 00:29:28,835 --> 00:29:31,429 Well, then the hell with them. Just answer Marty then. 524 00:29:31,538 --> 00:29:35,474 - I already agreed. - Well, screw them. 525 00:29:35,575 --> 00:29:39,477 Let them ask you a question you really don't know. Ha. Good luck. 526 00:29:42,082 --> 00:29:47,281 You're Herbert Stempel. What are they gonna do to you? Huh? 527 00:29:47,387 --> 00:29:52,188 Judo chop into the throat. Once again, it's a judo chop. 528 00:29:52,292 --> 00:29:55,352 - You're right. What could they do to me? - Yeah. 529 00:29:55,462 --> 00:29:57,362 - Screw 'em. - Yeah. 530 00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:01,891 Remember, call him "Jack" as often as possible. 531 00:30:03,937 --> 00:30:05,837 Jack. 532 00:30:05,939 --> 00:30:07,839 Fifteen seconds. 533 00:30:07,941 --> 00:30:09,932 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 534 00:30:10,043 --> 00:30:12,170 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 535 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,544 - Five. - Good evening. I'm Jack... Barry. 536 00:30:15,682 --> 00:30:18,048 - Watch your headroom. - Coming to air in ten, nine, 537 00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:20,643 - I'm Jack Barry. ...eight, seven, 538 00:30:20,754 --> 00:30:22,779 - six, five, - Steady, one. 539 00:30:22,889 --> 00:30:24,982 - four, three... - Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 540 00:30:25,091 --> 00:30:27,559 - Two, one. - Fade up. Cue up. 541 00:30:27,661 --> 00:30:29,788 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 542 00:30:29,896 --> 00:30:32,592 So let's meet our first two players as Geritol, 543 00:30:32,699 --> 00:30:36,260 America's #1 tonic, presents: Twenty-One. 544 00:30:36,369 --> 00:30:38,633 From New York City, Mr. Charles Van Doren. 545 00:30:38,738 --> 00:30:42,401 - And returning with $69,500, from Queens, New York, - Van Doren? 546 00:30:42,509 --> 00:30:44,500 Mr. Herbert Stempel. 547 00:30:44,611 --> 00:30:47,102 - Think that's his son? - Are you related in any way... 548 00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:49,272 - to Mark Van Doren of Columbia University, - I don't know. I guess so. 549 00:30:49,382 --> 00:30:51,873 - the famous poet and author? - Yes, he's my father. 550 00:30:51,985 --> 00:30:55,751 - He is your father. - Yes, both he and my uncle Carl have won the Pulitzer Prize, 551 00:30:55,855 --> 00:31:00,417 and Dorothy Van Doren, the author of the recent The Country Wife, is my mother. 552 00:31:00,527 --> 00:31:02,995 - Okay, Herb, you know something about Mr. Van Doren. - Joey, punch the audio a little. 553 00:31:03,096 --> 00:31:07,658 You have $69,500. Do you want to take it and quit while you're ahead... 554 00:31:07,767 --> 00:31:09,826 or risk it by playing against him? 555 00:31:15,475 --> 00:31:17,375 It's a tough decision, I know. 556 00:31:19,179 --> 00:31:21,113 - What'll it be? - I-I'll take a chance. 557 00:31:21,214 --> 00:31:23,114 You will take a chance. All right, then, here we go, gentlemen. 558 00:31:23,216 --> 00:31:26,708 You sure Herbie's on board with this? 559 00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:28,720 Can I take the third part last? 560 00:31:28,822 --> 00:31:33,350 I guess... I guess that Atahualpa was the leader of the lncas at the time of the conquest. 561 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:36,725 - Correct. - Wouldn't that be William Allen White? 562 00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:39,492 - That's correct. - I'd like to take the third part last. 563 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,124 His fourth wife was Anne of Cleves. 564 00:31:43,236 --> 00:31:45,466 He divorced Catherine of Aragon. 565 00:31:45,572 --> 00:31:49,064 - He divorced her. - He beheaded Anne Boleyn. 566 00:31:49,175 --> 00:31:54,374 - Well, they all died. - Herb Stempel leads at this point by 18 to 10. 567 00:31:54,481 --> 00:31:56,915 - Herb? - Yes, Mr. Barry? 568 00:31:57,016 --> 00:32:00,577 The category is "Movies." How many points you want to try for? 569 00:32:00,687 --> 00:32:03,349 I'll try for three. Three points. 570 00:32:03,456 --> 00:32:09,326 Which motion picture won the Academy Award for 1955? 571 00:32:15,168 --> 00:32:17,102 Marty. 572 00:32:26,312 --> 00:32:28,906 Best Picture. 573 00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:34,115 - Marty. - Best Picture. 574 00:32:35,722 --> 00:32:37,622 Marty. 575 00:32:42,896 --> 00:32:46,388 He doesn't know it? 576 00:32:46,499 --> 00:32:49,593 All right, Herb, I'll tell you when your time is up. 577 00:32:55,875 --> 00:32:58,969 I don't re-remember. I don't remember. 578 00:33:02,315 --> 00:33:04,215 Are you sure you wouldn't want to guess at it, Herb? 579 00:33:04,317 --> 00:33:06,376 - Otherwise, I'll have to call it wrong. - Wait. 580 00:33:07,921 --> 00:33:10,185 Marty. 581 00:33:13,193 --> 00:33:15,889 Your time is up, Herb. I'll need your answer. 582 00:33:17,263 --> 00:33:19,163 Best Picture... 583 00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:23,227 of 1955... 584 00:33:23,336 --> 00:33:25,236 On The Waterfront? 585 00:33:27,106 --> 00:33:29,574 No, I'm sorry. The answer is Marty. 586 00:33:35,915 --> 00:33:38,543 Marty. It was Marty that won the Academy Award... 587 00:33:38,651 --> 00:33:41,916 for Best Picture in 1955. 588 00:33:42,021 --> 00:33:45,980 - Marty was Ernest Borgnine. - Geez, what an easy question. 589 00:33:46,092 --> 00:33:49,459 The Academy Award for 1955. You lose three points. 590 00:33:49,562 --> 00:33:52,793 You go back down to 15. Better luck on the next round. 591 00:33:52,899 --> 00:33:56,096 And now for you, Professor, the category is... 592 00:33:57,203 --> 00:33:59,103 Civil War. 593 00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:01,435 How many points you want to try for, from 1 to 11? 594 00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:04,442 Civil War. That's a... That's an awful big subject. 595 00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:09,712 Well, here goes nothing. I'll... I'll try for 11. 596 00:34:09,816 --> 00:34:13,684 Eleven points will bring you to 21, and you will be our new champion! 597 00:34:13,786 --> 00:34:16,880 Because of a disagreement with his commanding general, 598 00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:19,254 Ulysses S. Grant was virtually placed under arrest... 599 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:22,590 for a brief time early in 1862. 600 00:34:22,695 --> 00:34:26,358 Who was the commanding general of the Union army at that time? 601 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,698 Tough question. 602 00:34:34,807 --> 00:34:37,139 It's just so oddly familiar. 603 00:34:43,149 --> 00:34:46,016 Would you like some more time? 604 00:34:51,724 --> 00:34:55,216 - Whatever you can spare. - All right. 605 00:35:01,968 --> 00:35:05,404 Do you know the name? 606 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,573 Yes, I know his name. Halleck. General H.W. Halleck. 607 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,548 You are our new champion for $20,000! 608 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,814 Come on out, Herb. Come on out, Professor. 609 00:35:25,525 --> 00:35:27,720 Wasn't that somethin', folks? Huh? 610 00:35:27,827 --> 00:35:31,160 You feelin' all right? 611 00:35:31,264 --> 00:35:34,700 Very good. Perhaps we can get an ice pack out here for the professor. 612 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:36,996 I suspect his gray matter is red-hot. 613 00:35:37,103 --> 00:35:39,230 I wonder if he's married. 614 00:35:39,339 --> 00:35:43,105 Our congratulations for a wonderful victory. Professor Charles Van Doren. 615 00:35:43,209 --> 00:35:46,940 I am constantly amazed at the facts these guys have at their fingertips. 616 00:35:47,046 --> 00:35:49,037 - Tough questions tonight. - Uh, yeah. Oh, well, not really. 617 00:35:49,148 --> 00:35:52,276 Wow, you were fantastic. Hey, you better unlist your phone number. 618 00:35:52,385 --> 00:35:55,252 Can you believe the pressure? Look at him; he's soakin' wet. 619 00:35:55,355 --> 00:35:57,915 - Is this guy a natural or what? Jesus! - He's a natural. 620 00:35:58,024 --> 00:36:00,390 - Do you think he's involved with anyone? - I don't know. 621 00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:04,156 I'm gonna miss ya, Herb. You know, I'm really gonna miss this guy. 622 00:36:04,263 --> 00:36:06,163 - Hey, Dan, listen, that guy is really terrific. - Oh, hi. 623 00:36:06,265 --> 00:36:08,893 - We could easily beat out I Love Lucy with him. - I know we can. 624 00:36:09,002 --> 00:36:11,232 Let's get a photo here. Oh, George. Here we go. 625 00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:15,000 Charles Van Doren. Miles Bronfman, an executive here at the network. 626 00:36:15,108 --> 00:36:17,975 - Oh, there we go. - So what do you think, Charlie? You excited? 627 00:36:18,077 --> 00:36:20,102 - Professor, can I interrupt you? - Charlie, I just wanted to... 628 00:36:20,213 --> 00:36:23,649 - My son was in your father's class. Says he's a saint. - Oh, really? 629 00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:26,480 Charlie, I want you to meet Bill Henderson. He promotes the show. 630 00:36:26,586 --> 00:36:29,020 - Congratulations. Sensational. Just sensational. - Thank you. 631 00:36:29,122 --> 00:36:32,182 Now we have a clean-cut intellectual instead of a freak with a sponge memory. 632 00:36:32,291 --> 00:36:35,385 - See you next week, Charlie. - Oh, I don't even want to think about that. I was so nervous. 633 00:36:35,495 --> 00:36:37,429 Dan! Dan! 634 00:36:38,564 --> 00:36:41,158 So pure, it floats? Hmm? 635 00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:43,462 Are you kidding? It was great. 636 00:36:43,569 --> 00:36:46,037 Go home and have a martini. We'll talk in the morning. 637 00:36:46,139 --> 00:36:49,165 Uh, I-I'm gonna take the stairs. 638 00:36:52,045 --> 00:36:55,879 - How did you know he'd go for it? - What would you do? 639 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,180 Meanwhile, it's okay if you know the answer. 640 00:37:03,289 --> 00:37:06,258 Yeah, so it's... My God, it's not like I haven't worked hard. 641 00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:09,157 I deserve $20,000 as much as anybody. 642 00:37:09,262 --> 00:37:11,162 My God! $20,000. 643 00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:21,203 The highest navigable lake in the world is: 644 00:37:21,307 --> 00:37:24,208 - Lake Titicaca. - Lake Titicaca. 645 00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:27,370 - That'd have to be Lake Titicaca. - Correct for ten points! 646 00:37:29,482 --> 00:37:32,042 Michel Montaigne. Around his neck, 647 00:37:32,151 --> 00:37:36,383 Montaigne wore a medallion which read: "What do I know?" 648 00:37:36,489 --> 00:37:40,391 - Hello. This is Herb Stempel calling for Mr. Enright. - I'm terribly sorry; he's not in. 649 00:37:40,493 --> 00:37:43,189 Our current reigning champion, from New York, New York, 650 00:37:43,296 --> 00:37:46,424 Mr. Charles Van Doren. 651 00:37:46,532 --> 00:37:50,468 ...twenty-four hours, Geritol liquid, or now, in new... 652 00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:53,903 It's the only town house available in the Village. 653 00:37:55,541 --> 00:37:57,441 I think I'll take it. 654 00:37:57,543 --> 00:38:01,240 - Will do. It's just that he's out of the office right now... - This is Herb Stempel. 655 00:38:01,347 --> 00:38:03,577 This is about the 17th time I've called. 656 00:38:03,683 --> 00:38:05,583 I guess William Pitt the Elder. 657 00:38:05,685 --> 00:38:07,585 You have 21! 658 00:38:09,689 --> 00:38:12,089 Come to me, Charlie. Good. Smile. Hold the bag right there. 659 00:38:12,191 --> 00:38:14,091 Hold it right there. Good. 660 00:38:14,193 --> 00:38:17,321 Here, Professor Van Doren turns in the evidence of his amazing popularity: 661 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:20,058 Thousands of letters a week for the egghead turned national hero. 662 00:38:20,166 --> 00:38:22,293 Winnings to date: $50,000! 663 00:38:22,401 --> 00:38:25,097 Hey, Charlie! The check's in the mail. 664 00:38:25,204 --> 00:38:27,104 - Is Mr. Enright in? - I'm sorry; he's not right now. 665 00:38:27,206 --> 00:38:30,573 This is Herb Stempel. You tell him that he promised that he would call me back, 666 00:38:30,676 --> 00:38:32,576 and if he doesn't, something is going to happen. 667 00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:35,943 - Do you understand that? That's right. Okay, bye. - I understand. 668 00:38:43,656 --> 00:38:45,817 You just tell Mr. Enright that if he doesn't want to talk to me, 669 00:38:45,925 --> 00:38:47,825 maybe the district attorney would like to talk to me. 670 00:38:47,927 --> 00:38:50,225 - If he wants to play hardball, I'll play hardball. - Very well. 671 00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:53,196 - Good morning, Mr. Van Doren. - Hello. 672 00:39:08,014 --> 00:39:10,209 And returning with $83,000, 673 00:39:10,316 --> 00:39:13,342 our champion, after seven weeks, Charles Van Doren. 674 00:39:13,452 --> 00:39:16,444 Welcome to Twenty-One, gentlemen. 675 00:39:16,556 --> 00:39:18,990 - Evening, Jack. - Charlie... 676 00:39:19,091 --> 00:39:21,753 Gentlemen, please. 677 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:32,033 It was a totally humiliating experience. All my friends knew that I loved Marty. 678 00:39:32,138 --> 00:39:36,598 It's one of my favorite films. I-I-I saw it three times. It's about a boy in the Bronx... 679 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,848 Mr. Enright will see you now. 680 00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:50,654 Have a seat, Herb. 681 00:39:57,864 --> 00:40:01,766 Thanks for comin' up. I feel we have some unfinished business we need to hash out. 682 00:40:01,868 --> 00:40:04,029 I have some unfinished business with you too. 683 00:40:04,136 --> 00:40:06,604 This whole thing with the grand jury and the things you said, 684 00:40:06,706 --> 00:40:09,038 well, they hurt me. 685 00:40:09,141 --> 00:40:11,837 I can't tell you how... Well, they hurt me deeply. 686 00:40:11,944 --> 00:40:15,072 - I told the truth. - There you go again. 687 00:40:15,181 --> 00:40:17,706 You promised me, Dan. Y-You promised that you'd help me out. 688 00:40:17,817 --> 00:40:20,718 Don't you think that I want to help you more than I already have? 689 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:24,688 - But the point is, you've made it impossible. - Look, you want me to apologize? 690 00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:26,690 - I want you to sign this statement. - I apologize. 691 00:40:26,792 --> 00:40:30,922 - What kind of statement? - It clears me and the show of any wrongdoing. 692 00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:34,966 - What about the panel show? - See? That's a perfect example. 693 00:40:35,067 --> 00:40:39,436 I told you I'd do what I could, and I did. I put your name on a list. 694 00:40:39,538 --> 00:40:41,836 You put me on a list? That's it? 695 00:40:41,941 --> 00:40:44,705 NBC owns our company. Everything goes through them. 696 00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:48,268 NBC bought your company for two million bucks. What about me? 697 00:40:48,381 --> 00:40:51,373 People watched me on that show. Look. Look. Look at this. 698 00:40:51,484 --> 00:40:55,011 - Oh, Herb, don't start... - "He has become a friend in over 50 million homes, 699 00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:58,750 whose weekly visits the whole family eagerly anticipates." 700 00:40:58,858 --> 00:41:02,191 - I was a friend, too, in 50 million homes. - Look, what can I tell you, Herb? 701 00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:04,627 - Life is unfair. - Life is unfair to me. 702 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:06,698 Life's not unfair to Charles Van Doren. 703 00:41:06,799 --> 00:41:08,960 Remember how he snubbed me after the show? 704 00:41:09,068 --> 00:41:13,266 - There'll be other shows. - What other shows? I need the money, Dan. 705 00:41:13,372 --> 00:41:16,705 Wha... What? How could you need the money? 706 00:41:16,809 --> 00:41:19,334 It's gone. I mean it's invested. It's tied up. It's... 707 00:41:19,445 --> 00:41:23,040 - Well, can't you talk to your broker? - He's not a broker. 708 00:41:23,149 --> 00:41:25,174 He's more of a bookmaker. It's seed money. 709 00:41:25,284 --> 00:41:28,276 He's setting up in Florida right now. He says it's the next growth area. 710 00:41:28,387 --> 00:41:31,652 You gave your money to a bookie who skipped town? 711 00:41:31,757 --> 00:41:35,158 I-I want what I have coming, Dan. I have to get back on television. 712 00:41:35,261 --> 00:41:37,957 - Herb, I'm gonna... - Show me this list. Where's this list? 713 00:41:38,064 --> 00:41:40,897 I submitted a list of 45 names. 714 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,093 They rejected three. You were one of them. 715 00:41:43,202 --> 00:41:46,865 That big uncircumcised putz is on the cover of Time magazine, 716 00:41:46,973 --> 00:41:49,339 and I can't even make the top 42 for a panel show. 717 00:41:49,442 --> 00:41:52,502 Look, maybe you could warm up the audience before the show. 718 00:41:52,611 --> 00:41:55,512 - I could throw you 50 bucks a week. - Fifty bucks a week? 719 00:41:55,614 --> 00:41:57,582 That should be me on the cover of Time. 720 00:41:57,683 --> 00:42:00,345 - Shit, Herb, just sign the statement. - Charles Van Doren. 721 00:42:00,453 --> 00:42:02,819 He wouldn't know the answer to a doorbell if you didn't give it to him. 722 00:42:02,922 --> 00:42:05,015 Sign the statement, and get on with your life! 723 00:42:05,124 --> 00:42:07,854 Sign the statement, Herb. Sign the statement. Who cares if it's true? 724 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,793 - I'm giving you a chance. - You promised me! 725 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,889 You get me that panel show, or I'm gonna bring you down with me, ya lousy, lyin' prick! 726 00:42:15,001 --> 00:42:17,526 - You and Charles Van fuckin' Doren! - No, you're not. 727 00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:19,763 I'll just tell everyone that it's a fraud. That'll warm 'em up. 728 00:42:19,872 --> 00:42:23,205 - "The fix is in, this week on Twenty-One." - When's my next appointment? 729 00:42:23,309 --> 00:42:26,335 The cover of Time? His mug shot will be on the cover of Time! 730 00:42:29,949 --> 00:42:32,213 What the hell happened? 731 00:42:32,318 --> 00:42:34,684 Oy. 732 00:42:36,188 --> 00:42:38,088 Why am I the only one workin' this mornin'? 733 00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:41,956 - You got here earlier, Mooie. - "Demonstrators stoned Vice President Nixon's motorcade... 734 00:42:42,061 --> 00:42:44,188 as it proceeded through Caracas." 735 00:42:44,296 --> 00:42:47,322 - Gee, Dick, what's the New York Times say? Same thing? - Generally. 736 00:42:47,433 --> 00:42:50,630 Most people who live in Washington settle for the Washington papers. 737 00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,704 Well, the Times is the paper of record. 738 00:42:52,805 --> 00:42:55,000 - Ahh. - Ooh. 739 00:42:55,107 --> 00:42:57,803 Dick hopes someday to be confused with an important person. 740 00:42:57,910 --> 00:43:00,970 "Although the crowd was cordoned off at a distance of a hundred yards, 741 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,642 an unidentified Venezuelan struck Nixon in the head with a thrown onion." 742 00:43:05,751 --> 00:43:08,117 - Ow! - The Senators should sign this guy. 743 00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:10,780 Did you guys know there was a grand jury in New York on the quiz shows? 744 00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:14,519 Jim Lemon can't even hit the cutoff man. This guy throws a 300-foot strike with an onion. 745 00:43:14,627 --> 00:43:17,528 - Have they come up with anything? - They sealed the presentment. 746 00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:20,030 - That's a no. - Why do you say that? 747 00:43:20,132 --> 00:43:22,032 A presentment's a statement of findings. 748 00:43:22,134 --> 00:43:25,035 If there were anything in it, they'd want to release it to the public, right? 749 00:43:25,137 --> 00:43:28,698 If the purpose is to make findings public, then why keep it a secret? 750 00:43:33,579 --> 00:43:35,706 Why seal the presentment? It's illogical. 751 00:43:35,815 --> 00:43:38,147 - It's a local matter. - It's television. 752 00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:41,219 Whoa. TV. 753 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,619 It's under our jurisdiction, right? I mean, we have oversight over all the agencies. 754 00:43:44,723 --> 00:43:48,250 - It includes the F.C.C. - You're gonna investigate a dead investigation? 755 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,989 We're gonna put television on trial. Television. 756 00:43:52,098 --> 00:43:54,328 Everybody in the country'll know about it. 757 00:43:57,470 --> 00:44:01,065 - What do you have? - There's somethin' there. 758 00:44:01,173 --> 00:44:03,937 Mr. Chairman, I'll find it. 759 00:44:05,544 --> 00:44:08,980 The networks, pharmaceutical industry? 760 00:44:09,081 --> 00:44:11,675 Cosmetics? 761 00:44:11,784 --> 00:44:15,242 That's big game, son. You don't go huntin' in your underwear. 762 00:44:15,354 --> 00:44:19,484 Sir, I smell somethin'. At least give me a chance to see what I can dig up. 763 00:44:19,592 --> 00:44:21,787 Let me go up to New York. 764 00:44:21,894 --> 00:44:26,263 Ya know, this isn't some junket for you to stay in a hotel and see a Broadway show. 765 00:44:26,365 --> 00:44:29,698 I'm givin' you exactly one week to find something. You get that? 766 00:44:31,237 --> 00:44:35,674 Unseal a presentment. I don't know. 767 00:44:35,774 --> 00:44:38,538 I don't know how you go about that. I've never... 768 00:44:39,512 --> 00:44:42,845 Oh, here you go. Look at this. 769 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:46,384 Hasn't been a presentment under seal in the State of New York since 1869. 770 00:44:46,485 --> 00:44:48,385 That explains it. 771 00:44:48,487 --> 00:44:51,115 - 1869? - Yeah. 772 00:44:51,223 --> 00:44:55,319 Counselor, I've reviewed in detail the material submitted in your request. 773 00:44:55,427 --> 00:44:57,418 A man's reputation is coin of the realm to him. 774 00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:59,760 I sealed this presentment... 775 00:44:59,865 --> 00:45:02,959 to protect the reputations of those unfairly implicated... 776 00:45:03,068 --> 00:45:06,469 by a certain mentally unstable finger-pointer. 777 00:45:06,572 --> 00:45:10,906 That interest, along with important issues of federalism, 778 00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:14,002 dictate that I reject your committee's request at this time. 779 00:45:21,921 --> 00:45:24,446 Mr. Enright's office. Mr. Enright? 780 00:45:24,557 --> 00:45:26,457 It's Judge Schweitzer. 781 00:45:42,942 --> 00:45:44,842 - Yes? - Hi. Miss Mitchell? 782 00:45:44,944 --> 00:45:46,844 - Uh-huh. - My name is Richard Goodwin. 783 00:45:46,946 --> 00:45:49,346 I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 784 00:45:49,448 --> 00:45:51,678 We've been investigating the quiz shows recently. 785 00:45:51,784 --> 00:45:55,311 - Uh, I was wondering if I could ask you a quick question. - Oh! I've got people. 786 00:45:56,755 --> 00:45:59,485 - Could I just have a moment of your time? - No. 787 00:45:59,592 --> 00:46:02,993 I was curious how many episodes you appeared on. 788 00:46:03,095 --> 00:46:04,995 - Not very many. No. - How... 789 00:46:05,097 --> 00:46:07,964 - Three weeks. - Did anyone ever ask you not to talk to anyone? 790 00:46:11,937 --> 00:46:13,996 The Today Show with Dave Garroway... 791 00:46:14,106 --> 00:46:17,200 and Dave's regular co-host, Mr. J. Fred Muggs. 792 00:46:17,309 --> 00:46:20,210 Dave's guests this morning are: The Aga Khan, 793 00:46:20,312 --> 00:46:23,304 Lyle Goodhue, inventor of the aerosol spray can... 794 00:46:23,415 --> 00:46:26,316 and quiz champion Charles Van Doren. 795 00:46:26,418 --> 00:46:29,046 Take a look at that. Look at that. You see that? 796 00:46:29,154 --> 00:46:31,418 Yes. Uh-huh. 797 00:46:31,523 --> 00:46:34,219 Well, you have that conversation, and I'm gonna begin the show. 798 00:46:34,326 --> 00:46:36,453 I'll see you, Mr. Muggs. 799 00:46:36,562 --> 00:46:39,087 Good morning. 800 00:46:39,198 --> 00:46:41,098 - And good morning, Charlie. - Good morning, Dave. 801 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,259 - How are you this morning? - I'm fine, thank you. 802 00:46:43,369 --> 00:46:47,430 I see we have a, uh, an unusually large crowd outside there this morning. 803 00:46:47,539 --> 00:46:50,064 - So how long has it been now, Charlie? - It's been nine weeks now. 804 00:46:50,175 --> 00:46:52,541 - And you've won how much? - $93,000. 805 00:46:52,645 --> 00:46:55,409 - Hmm, so that's, uh, $10,000 a week. - That's right. 806 00:46:55,514 --> 00:46:58,108 Although last week, I know you were preempted for another program. 807 00:46:58,217 --> 00:47:02,017 Well, that's the problem with television. The pay's good, but it's not that steady. 808 00:47:02,121 --> 00:47:05,022 Don't remind me. I'm up for renewal. 809 00:47:05,124 --> 00:47:07,354 So tell us about the book you're working on. 810 00:47:07,459 --> 00:47:09,359 Well, it's called Lincoln's Commando, 811 00:47:09,461 --> 00:47:11,952 and I hope people will find it as interesting as I do. 812 00:47:12,064 --> 00:47:14,259 How do you think Honest Abe would do on a quiz show? 813 00:47:16,001 --> 00:47:18,196 - Honest Abe? - Yeah. 814 00:47:18,304 --> 00:47:22,832 Well, I think he'd do very well. And, of course, on a show like this, he'd be wonderful. 815 00:47:22,941 --> 00:47:25,136 I'm sure he would. 816 00:47:35,754 --> 00:47:40,123 - Here we are, Professor. - Yeah, I-I'm just... I just have to tie my shoe. 817 00:48:00,579 --> 00:48:02,774 - Hi, Mr. Van Doren. - Hey, Mr. Van Doren. 818 00:48:02,881 --> 00:48:05,281 Hey! 819 00:48:08,354 --> 00:48:10,379 - Oh! - Good morning. Hi. 820 00:48:10,489 --> 00:48:12,923 - Good morning, Mr. Van Doren. - Good morning. 821 00:48:13,025 --> 00:48:14,993 - Where's the monkey? - I saw you on TV this morning. 822 00:48:15,094 --> 00:48:19,360 - Is Thomas Merton Episcopalian or Catholic? - Catholic. 823 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,091 Hello. Are you here for office hours? 824 00:48:24,203 --> 00:48:27,001 Oh, no. I'm Richard Goodwin. 825 00:48:27,106 --> 00:48:29,939 - Did Clark Byse call? - Clark Byse? No, he didn't. 826 00:48:30,042 --> 00:48:32,272 See, I'm up from Washington. He suggested I might look you up. 827 00:48:32,378 --> 00:48:35,472 - You're not a stockbroker, are you? - Lawyer, which is bad enough. 828 00:48:35,581 --> 00:48:38,482 - Professor Byse taught me Contracts. - Then we have something in common. 829 00:48:38,584 --> 00:48:42,020 - He taught me my backhand. - I'm with the House Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 830 00:48:42,121 --> 00:48:44,021 I've been swarmed by stockbrokers lately. 831 00:48:44,123 --> 00:48:46,648 I feel like a girl with a bad reputation. 832 00:48:46,759 --> 00:48:48,989 The Committee has jurisdiction over television. 833 00:48:52,498 --> 00:48:54,398 I'm sorry. Please, um, have a seat. 834 00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:56,400 Thank you. 835 00:48:58,303 --> 00:49:02,672 You must have done very well at Harvard. Clark doesn't like anyone. 836 00:49:02,775 --> 00:49:05,608 Uh, I was, uh, actually first in my class. 837 00:49:05,711 --> 00:49:08,578 - You make it sound like an affliction. Did you clerk? - Well... 838 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,080 - Uh, Frankfurter. - Oh, really? Hmm. 839 00:49:11,183 --> 00:49:13,674 It's nothin'. I tell you, what I love is what you do, literature. 840 00:49:13,786 --> 00:49:18,052 Well, hell, if I was first in my class, I'd get a tattoo. 841 00:49:18,157 --> 00:49:22,253 - So, what brings you to New York, Dick, uh, literature? - Let me ask ya. 842 00:49:22,361 --> 00:49:26,263 Did you ever notice anything out of the ordinary about the quiz show you're on? 843 00:49:26,365 --> 00:49:28,060 What? 844 00:49:28,167 --> 00:49:30,658 Anything suspect. Anything at all. 845 00:49:30,769 --> 00:49:33,499 You mean besides its popularity? 846 00:49:33,605 --> 00:49:36,403 What I'm hoping is that you might be able to give me some kind of road map here. 847 00:49:36,508 --> 00:49:39,341 - I feel like we speak the same language. - Well, of course. 848 00:49:39,445 --> 00:49:41,504 - Anything I can do to help. - Oh, um, 849 00:49:41,613 --> 00:49:43,513 - Mr. Van Doren. - Yes? Yes, yes. 850 00:49:43,615 --> 00:49:45,845 - I'm sorry. I'm in your class on the Romantics, and, uh... - Of course you are. 851 00:49:45,951 --> 00:49:49,284 I-I... Actually, I'm auditing it because you've been on television. 852 00:49:49,388 --> 00:49:52,221 - Do you... Should I come back later? - Oh, um, if you don't mind... 853 00:49:52,324 --> 00:49:54,792 - I'll come back. - I tell you what. Why don't you meet me tomorrow? 854 00:49:54,893 --> 00:49:57,726 - I'll take you to lunch at the Athenaeum. - The what? 855 00:49:57,830 --> 00:50:02,164 I'm sorry. The Athenaeum Club at Forty-third and Fifth? Say, uh, tomorrow at noon? 856 00:50:02,267 --> 00:50:04,167 - Lunch at The Athenaeum. - At noon. 857 00:50:04,269 --> 00:50:06,169 - Great. - Great. See you then. 858 00:50:06,271 --> 00:50:08,171 I wanted to talk to you about Ode on a Grecian Urn. 859 00:50:08,273 --> 00:50:10,173 "Beauty is truth; Truth, beauty. 860 00:50:10,275 --> 00:50:13,244 That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." 861 00:50:13,345 --> 00:50:16,371 - Does he really mean that about beauty and truth? - Why foster child? I don't under... 862 00:50:16,482 --> 00:50:18,541 Congress investigates communists. 863 00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:21,710 Congress investigates mobsters. That is not me. 864 00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:25,187 Yeah, well, look on the bright side. You'll be on national television. 865 00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:27,349 - That's a joke, Charlie. - Well, that's not funny. 866 00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:30,895 - Charles Van Doren. Hey! Charles Van Doren! - It's just not funny. 867 00:50:30,996 --> 00:50:32,964 - How ya doin'? - I'm worried about this. 868 00:50:33,065 --> 00:50:36,364 - Yeah, well, look, I alr... Who was that? - It's just some guy. 869 00:50:36,468 --> 00:50:39,631 Well, look, I already know about this guy Goodwin, and I'm on top of it. So trust me. 870 00:50:39,738 --> 00:50:41,899 - You callin' lnformation? What are you dialin' for? - You don't understand. 871 00:50:42,007 --> 00:50:46,467 - Oh, for information? Charles Van Doren, he's dialin' for lnformation. - I have a name. 872 00:50:46,578 --> 00:50:49,638 Hey, Chuck, what do you do? Chuckie! Answer this question. 873 00:50:49,748 --> 00:50:53,684 - I-I'm sorry. I gotta go. - What street do I live on in Brooklyn, huh? 874 00:50:53,785 --> 00:50:56,049 - D-Did you tell him anything? - N-No, no, I didn't... 875 00:50:56,154 --> 00:50:58,850 I-I gotta go. I gotta go! I've gotta go! 876 00:50:58,957 --> 00:51:02,324 Come on! Let's go! Hey, Chuck, how ya doin'? How ya holdin' up? All right? 877 00:51:02,427 --> 00:51:06,193 Hey, can I get an autograph for my wife? Give me an autograph for my wife! 878 00:51:06,298 --> 00:51:09,165 Come on, Chuck! Don't be a snob! Give me an autograph for my wife! 879 00:51:09,434 --> 00:51:11,800 So Sandra says what's ever on her mind. 880 00:51:11,904 --> 00:51:13,963 And you've been married how long? 881 00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:16,165 Five years. You? 882 00:51:16,275 --> 00:51:19,767 Oh, no. I'm supposed to be fixed up with this girl... 883 00:51:19,878 --> 00:51:22,711 on the cover of the new Harper's Bazaar, but... 884 00:51:22,814 --> 00:51:25,908 - Well, you know how that is. - Yeah. 885 00:51:26,018 --> 00:51:29,715 - Waldorf salad for you, Mr. Van Doren. - Oh, thank you. 886 00:51:29,821 --> 00:51:31,880 - And a Reuben sandwich. - Thank you. 887 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,219 - So... - Oh. 888 00:51:37,329 --> 00:51:40,321 What do you know about this grand jury investigation, Charlie? 889 00:51:40,432 --> 00:51:43,265 Oh, I remember Dan mentioned something about this, 890 00:51:43,368 --> 00:51:46,303 that it was all some... some wild goose chase. 891 00:51:47,806 --> 00:51:49,797 Uh, a political thing. 892 00:51:49,908 --> 00:51:53,901 - They talk so fast in that business. Half of it goes right past me. - Dan? 893 00:51:54,012 --> 00:51:56,981 Enright. He's really the one to talk to. 894 00:51:57,082 --> 00:52:00,381 - You know if he testified? - Uh, uh, more water? 895 00:52:02,921 --> 00:52:06,550 Uh, you can reach him at NBC. Dan Enright. 896 00:52:10,929 --> 00:52:14,592 So, how long have you been with this committee, Dick? 897 00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:18,192 Six months. Seemed like a good way to postpone the inevitable. 898 00:52:18,303 --> 00:52:23,172 Postpone the inevitable. Is there a spot for me? 899 00:52:23,275 --> 00:52:25,175 I mean Wall Street. 900 00:52:25,277 --> 00:52:27,837 Oh. 901 00:52:29,815 --> 00:52:33,410 So, back to this, uh, grand jury business. 902 00:52:33,518 --> 00:52:35,418 - I'm wondering... - Oh. 903 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,421 - Dad! - Charlie. 904 00:52:39,524 --> 00:52:41,890 Excuse me, Frank. 905 00:52:41,994 --> 00:52:43,985 This is a surprise. 906 00:52:44,096 --> 00:52:46,997 How are you, son? We share an office, and I never see you anymore. 907 00:52:47,099 --> 00:52:49,431 Oh, I'm there, Dad. I'm just hiding behind your reputation. 908 00:52:49,534 --> 00:52:51,900 No, I'm serious. We all miss you at home. 909 00:52:52,004 --> 00:52:54,905 Please, join us. Dad, this is Dick Goodwin. He's up from Washington. 910 00:52:55,007 --> 00:52:57,237 - Narrow escape. - Dad doesn't like Washington. 911 00:52:57,342 --> 00:53:00,641 A swamp that traded malaria for politics. 912 00:53:02,547 --> 00:53:05,880 - What's the special? - It's the Reuben. 913 00:53:05,984 --> 00:53:09,317 Reuben sandwich is the only entirely invented sandwich. 914 00:53:09,421 --> 00:53:12,447 Won the National Sandwich Contest two years ago. 915 00:53:12,557 --> 00:53:15,048 - A salient point. Who invented it? - Uh, Reuben Kay. 916 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,323 - At a poker game in Omaha. - I knew there was a "k" in Nebraska. 917 00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:22,799 Unfortunately, they have the sandwich here, but they don't seem to have any Reubens. 918 00:53:25,437 --> 00:53:28,600 - Touche. - Dick's a protege of Clark Byse. 919 00:53:28,707 --> 00:53:31,107 I just finished a clerkship with Justice Frankfurter. 920 00:53:31,209 --> 00:53:35,669 Of course you did. Frankfurter collects brains the way other people collect stamps. 921 00:53:35,781 --> 00:53:38,113 Uh, did you happen to see the show Monday, Dad? 922 00:53:38,216 --> 00:53:40,980 Monday. Uh, we were with Bunny Wilson. 923 00:53:41,086 --> 00:53:43,350 Oh, no, it's nothing. Just there was a question about Hawthorne. 924 00:53:43,455 --> 00:53:46,356 Oh, well, you know how it is with Bunny once he gets going. 925 00:53:46,458 --> 00:53:50,861 So, Dick, Charlie invite you to his poker game yet? He's a helluva poker player. 926 00:53:50,962 --> 00:53:54,329 W-We have a regular game Thursday nights, just some friends I went to school with. 927 00:53:54,433 --> 00:53:57,197 - You're welcome to come over next week. - Are you a gambler, Dick? 928 00:53:57,302 --> 00:54:01,534 I don't know if I'm a gambler. I know which end of an ace is up. 929 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,236 Well, Dick, if you look round the table and you can't tell who the sucker is, 930 00:54:07,379 --> 00:54:10,542 it's you. 931 00:54:10,649 --> 00:54:12,549 Yeah, Dan Enright, please. 932 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,219 Uh, Dick Goodwin. 933 00:54:20,826 --> 00:54:23,886 Uh, no. Actually, I'll just call back. Thanks. 934 00:54:23,995 --> 00:54:27,192 "Name the three heavyweight champions who preceded Joe Louis." 935 00:54:27,299 --> 00:54:30,268 Oh, I know that. Uh, Jim Braddock. 936 00:54:30,368 --> 00:54:33,235 - Mm-hmm. - Max Baer. 937 00:54:34,339 --> 00:54:36,239 And... 938 00:54:37,476 --> 00:54:39,535 - Damn. - Primo Carnera. 939 00:54:39,644 --> 00:54:42,306 - Primo Carnera. Of course. - Yeah, good old Primo. 940 00:54:42,414 --> 00:54:45,349 - I was there that night at the Garden, the night Baer beat him. Yeah. - Really? 941 00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:48,578 The big guinea. Twelve times Baer knocked him down. 942 00:54:48,687 --> 00:54:52,817 Al, I've been thinking. Maybe you shouldn't give me the answers anymore. 943 00:54:55,293 --> 00:54:58,194 Now what do you wanna do that for, Professor? 944 00:54:58,296 --> 00:55:01,493 Charlie, you're doin' the right thing, really. 945 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,125 - Everybody's makin' money. - Well, what if you just gave me the questions... 946 00:55:04,236 --> 00:55:06,136 and I could look up the answers on my own? 947 00:55:06,238 --> 00:55:09,401 I mean, don't you think that'd be... Well, be less egregious. 948 00:55:12,511 --> 00:55:14,411 Only in the balcony. 949 00:55:15,814 --> 00:55:17,714 You know about that. 950 00:55:17,816 --> 00:55:21,115 All right. Now, your consequence... 951 00:55:21,219 --> 00:55:25,053 Doesn't want the answers anymore. Just wants the questions. 952 00:55:25,157 --> 00:55:28,456 - Who? - "Who." The Great White Hope. 953 00:55:31,897 --> 00:55:33,865 Dan, what the hell is "egregious"? 954 00:55:33,965 --> 00:55:36,365 He just wants the questions? 955 00:55:37,903 --> 00:55:40,269 Uh, excuse me. Uh, Mr. Noland? 956 00:55:40,372 --> 00:55:42,272 - Yeah? - My name is Richard Goodwin. 957 00:55:42,374 --> 00:55:45,901 - I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Over... - Ahh. 958 00:55:46,011 --> 00:55:49,037 No, no, I don't wanna say anything. No, can't help you. 959 00:55:49,147 --> 00:55:51,047 I told them everything I had to say. 960 00:55:51,149 --> 00:55:53,083 Everything I knew I told them. 961 00:56:04,496 --> 00:56:07,590 - Yeah? - Mr. Stempel. My name is Dick Goodwin. 962 00:56:07,699 --> 00:56:12,136 I'm an investigator with the Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight of the U.S. Congress. 963 00:56:12,237 --> 00:56:15,468 - Yeah? - Did you recently testify before a grand jury? 964 00:56:15,574 --> 00:56:19,635 - Yeah. - Well, if you have a minute, I'd really like to talk to you about it. 965 00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:22,941 Gee. 966 00:56:23,048 --> 00:56:26,313 Fi... Finally. I-I knew it was just a matter of time. 967 00:56:26,418 --> 00:56:28,318 Come in. 968 00:56:30,088 --> 00:56:32,147 Didn't you go to City College? 969 00:56:32,257 --> 00:56:34,157 - Uh, Harvard. - Toby! 970 00:56:34,259 --> 00:56:38,593 This is my wife, Toby. This is Mr. Goodwin. 971 00:56:38,697 --> 00:56:40,858 He's an investigator from the United States Congress. 972 00:56:40,966 --> 00:56:44,993 Would you like a cup of coffee, Mr.... I-I already got the pot on. 973 00:56:45,103 --> 00:56:47,663 I tell ya, that sounds great, actually. 974 00:56:47,772 --> 00:56:49,967 And bring some rugulach if there are any left. 975 00:56:50,075 --> 00:56:54,102 - I love my wife, but it's like livin' with a plague of locusts. 976 00:56:54,212 --> 00:56:56,112 If Charles Van Doren told 'em what I told 'em, 977 00:56:56,214 --> 00:56:58,876 do you think this whole grand jury thing would be squashed? 978 00:56:58,984 --> 00:57:02,112 - Quashed. It's not "squashed." - Not in a million years. 979 00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:05,189 - Quashed, okay? - What exactly did you tell the grand jury? 980 00:57:05,290 --> 00:57:07,281 - Have one. - Uh, no, thanks. 981 00:57:07,392 --> 00:57:09,724 Lester, will you knock it off for ten minutes? 982 00:57:09,828 --> 00:57:12,763 Come on. They're a Jewish delicacy. Before Toby eats it. 983 00:57:12,864 --> 00:57:16,163 - I'm retainin' water for your information. - You and the Grand Coulee Dam. 984 00:57:16,268 --> 00:57:18,168 Come on. You don't know what you're missing. 985 00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:20,170 I'm quite familiar with rugulach, thank you. 986 00:57:22,974 --> 00:57:26,375 - How'd a guy like you get into Harvard? - Capped teeth. 987 00:57:26,478 --> 00:57:28,776 Lester! 988 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,815 Herb, what exactly did you tell the grand jury? 989 00:57:31,917 --> 00:57:35,080 No, you can't ask me that. It's... It's sealed. It's illegal. 990 00:57:36,988 --> 00:57:39,456 Well, uh, just between us. 991 00:57:41,092 --> 00:57:43,151 They made me take a dive. Marty. 992 00:57:43,261 --> 00:57:46,560 They made me lose on Marty just to humiliate me. 993 00:57:46,665 --> 00:57:48,997 - Who made you take a dive? - Dan Enright. 994 00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,591 He told me I had plateaued, that the ratings had plateaued. 995 00:57:51,703 --> 00:57:53,637 A sinking ship and the rats stayed. 996 00:57:53,738 --> 00:57:56,639 Do you think in a million years I wouldn't know Marty, and meanwhile, Charles Van Moron... 997 00:57:56,741 --> 00:57:58,641 would be on the show 11 weeks in a row? 998 00:57:58,743 --> 00:58:01,303 I don't understand. H-How could they make you take a dive? 999 00:58:01,413 --> 00:58:04,974 - What? - Why didn't you just answer Marty if you knew it? 1000 00:58:05,083 --> 00:58:08,541 - What, and throw away his future in television? - Would you please go inside... 1001 00:58:08,653 --> 00:58:10,587 and tell Gene Krupa to take five? 1002 00:58:10,689 --> 00:58:12,589 Lester. Lester! 1003 00:58:12,691 --> 00:58:16,058 You're so naive. It's a fix. It's all... It's all a fix. 1004 00:58:16,161 --> 00:58:19,392 A setup. I made a study of it. They always follow a Jew with a Gentile. 1005 00:58:19,497 --> 00:58:22,864 And the Gentile wins more money. What is that, a coincidence? 1006 00:58:22,968 --> 00:58:25,232 Herb, you're saying this whole grand jury thing was because of you. 1007 00:58:25,337 --> 00:58:29,273 You know what you have to do? You have to nail Van Doren. 1008 00:58:29,374 --> 00:58:32,241 - Are you gonna nail Van Doren? - Look, first of all, I'm not here to nail anyone, okay? 1009 00:58:32,344 --> 00:58:35,404 - This isn't McCarthyism. - Listen, think about what McCarthyism did for McCarthy. 1010 00:58:35,513 --> 00:58:38,073 Let me ask you something. Do you have any corroborative evidence to what you're saying? 1011 00:58:38,183 --> 00:58:42,677 Listen to me. Don't make necessarily the mistakes that I might have made in life. 1012 00:58:42,787 --> 00:58:46,279 Think about your career. You nail Van Doren, it'll be bigger than Sputnik. 1013 00:58:46,391 --> 00:58:50,452 It'll be like a big, blond Sputnik crashing right down on his, whew, friggin' head. 1014 00:58:53,898 --> 00:58:57,095 Charlie? Hi. Dick Goodwin. 1015 00:58:57,168 --> 00:59:00,729 I hope you don't mind. The English Department gave me your number up in Connecticut. 1016 00:59:00,839 --> 00:59:04,536 Yeah. Look, um, I met with Herbert Stempel yesterday. 1017 00:59:04,642 --> 00:59:08,772 He told me a couple of things. I'm kinda curious... 1018 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,144 What? 1019 00:59:11,249 --> 00:59:13,308 Sure. Well, what train was that? 1020 00:59:13,418 --> 00:59:16,410 Yeah, just hold on. I got a pen right here. 1021 00:59:16,521 --> 00:59:18,853 Grand Central Station. 1022 00:59:18,957 --> 00:59:20,948 Housatonic. 1023 00:59:21,059 --> 00:59:23,027 Cornwall, Connecticut. 1024 00:59:23,128 --> 00:59:26,723 I will, uh... I will, uh... I'll get right on the way. 1025 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,666 - Dick, I'm glad you could make it. - Charlie. 1026 00:59:38,777 --> 00:59:41,575 That's some snappy-looking Mercedes. 1027 00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,739 - Come around the back. We're just about to eat. - What's that, the 300? 1028 00:59:44,849 --> 00:59:47,943 Yeah, it's my father's birthday, so I bought myself a car. 1029 00:59:48,053 --> 00:59:52,149 - It's only got 110 miles on it. - The show's treatin' you well, huh? 1030 00:59:53,925 --> 00:59:56,416 Dorothy, your tomato salad is fabulous. 1031 00:59:56,528 --> 00:59:59,224 - What's your secret? - Manure. 1032 00:59:59,330 --> 01:00:03,926 Now, look at Thomas. Thomas is aerodynamically designed to go directly to heaven. 1033 01:00:04,035 --> 01:00:07,766 - And who are you? - Dick. Goodwin. 1034 01:00:07,872 --> 01:00:10,534 - I'm a friend of Charlie's. - Ah. 1035 01:00:10,642 --> 01:00:12,906 - You sound like you're from Boston. - Brookline, actually. 1036 01:00:16,781 --> 01:00:19,944 The wrong girl for me. 1037 01:00:20,051 --> 01:00:23,145 - You know I didn't. - You did. We have horseradish growing in the garden. 1038 01:00:23,254 --> 01:00:26,052 Well, that's good. 1039 01:00:26,157 --> 01:00:28,717 - How long have you been married? - Twenty years. 1040 01:00:28,827 --> 01:00:33,287 - Aunt lrita had an affair with Wendall Willkie. - Hmm? 1041 01:00:33,398 --> 01:00:38,859 "Now see summer bloom upon this lea. Three score rings around this tree. 1042 01:00:38,970 --> 01:00:41,131 Once green; Now bare. 1043 01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:43,173 Once lush; Now sere. 1044 01:00:43,274 --> 01:00:45,799 Consoled only that I am... 1045 01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:48,640 - planted here. - You certainly are. 1046 01:00:48,746 --> 01:00:50,805 - Roots thick... - And old. 1047 01:00:50,915 --> 01:00:52,815 - and deep, - And doddering. 1048 01:00:52,917 --> 01:00:56,648 - assuage my woes..." - A termite nibbles at my toes. 1049 01:00:56,754 --> 01:00:59,655 - Et tu, Bunny? - Charlie, is Jack Berry single? 1050 01:00:59,757 --> 01:01:03,386 - I think so. - My roommate has a crush on him. She wants you to introduce her. 1051 01:01:03,495 --> 01:01:06,225 - What's Dave Garroway like? - Cheap. - Cheap? 1052 01:01:06,331 --> 01:01:10,461 - Wasn't I talking? - You were, yes. Talking and talking and talking. 1053 01:01:10,568 --> 01:01:13,401 Charlie's famous, like Elvis Presley. 1054 01:01:13,505 --> 01:01:17,100 Like Leopold of Belgium, usurped by his son before his time. 1055 01:01:17,208 --> 01:01:19,301 I suppose that makes me King Baudouin? 1056 01:01:19,410 --> 01:01:21,970 Next birthday, you all get a dirty limerick. 1057 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,446 I certainly hope so. 1058 01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:29,178 So how's it feel, Charlie? 1059 01:01:29,287 --> 01:01:32,085 Well, I can't even eat dinner in a restaurant anymore. 1060 01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:36,524 People follow me inside to discover what kind of "brain food" I eat. 1061 01:01:36,628 --> 01:01:40,758 In my day, it was flagpole-sitting and swallowing goldfish. 1062 01:01:40,865 --> 01:01:43,425 Last week alone, I had 11 proposals of marriage. 1063 01:01:43,535 --> 01:01:45,093 Perhaps you should accept one of them. 1064 01:01:45,203 --> 01:01:48,468 To think they unleash you on those impressionable young minds. 1065 01:01:48,573 --> 01:01:52,703 Why not? He's 33 years old. Jesus Christ had a girlfriend at 33 years old. 1066 01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:55,404 - Look how that turned out. - And he shared an office with his father. 1067 01:01:55,513 --> 01:01:57,413 I'm sure they're all very nice girls. 1068 01:01:57,515 --> 01:01:59,483 In that case, perhaps I should appear on a quiz show. 1069 01:01:59,584 --> 01:02:03,247 The money, meanwhile, no one knows what to do with it. 1070 01:02:03,354 --> 01:02:06,380 Though every stockbroker in New York seems eager to try. 1071 01:02:06,491 --> 01:02:10,791 Why don't you just put it in the bank? That's what I've always done with my prize money. 1072 01:02:10,895 --> 01:02:15,127 No, it's just... You don't understand, Dad. There are all sorts of tax implications. 1073 01:02:15,233 --> 01:02:17,633 I think I can understand the concept of taxes. 1074 01:02:17,735 --> 01:02:21,831 - At this level, it's a bit more complicated. - And at my level? 1075 01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:25,706 I never thought of myself having a level, Charlie. What level might that be? 1076 01:02:25,810 --> 01:02:29,473 I mean, it's not as if the money fell into my lap. I worked for it. 1077 01:02:29,581 --> 01:02:34,143 - Work? Oh-ho-ho-ho. - Millions of people watch the game shows, Dad. 1078 01:02:34,252 --> 01:02:36,948 Then I suppose we've become a nation of proctors. 1079 01:02:37,055 --> 01:02:39,250 - Mark. - Help me out here, Harvard. 1080 01:02:39,357 --> 01:02:43,259 Uh... claim victory and depart the field. 1081 01:02:43,361 --> 01:02:47,161 - We don't have a television. - Why on earth would we need a television? 1082 01:02:47,265 --> 01:02:49,324 How much money is it again? 1083 01:02:49,434 --> 01:02:51,925 - What? - They don't have a television. 1084 01:02:52,036 --> 01:02:55,369 - You haven't seen the show? - We were supposed to watch it the other night at Thurber's... 1085 01:02:55,473 --> 01:03:00,342 - Even Thurber has a television, and he's blind. - How much is it now, Charlie? 1086 01:03:00,445 --> 01:03:03,846 - $122,000. - What? 1087 01:03:03,948 --> 01:03:07,111 She heard that all right. 1088 01:03:10,822 --> 01:03:14,258 Well. 1089 01:03:14,359 --> 01:03:18,352 "Some rise by sin and some by virtue fall." 1090 01:03:18,463 --> 01:03:20,727 Measure For Measure. 1091 01:03:20,832 --> 01:03:25,132 "To do a great right... do a little wrong." 1092 01:03:25,236 --> 01:03:28,637 - Merchant Of Venice. - It's this game our family plays. 1093 01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:32,870 "O what men dare do! What men may do! 1094 01:03:32,977 --> 01:03:36,572 What men daily do, not knowing what they do." 1095 01:03:36,681 --> 01:03:41,311 Much Ado About Nothing. "Things without remedy should be without regard; 1096 01:03:41,419 --> 01:03:43,649 What's done is done." 1097 01:03:43,755 --> 01:03:47,418 "Things without all remedy." Macbeth. 1098 01:03:47,525 --> 01:03:52,019 "How the ill white hairs become a fool and jester." 1099 01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:55,497 Now, Professor, open your presents. 1100 01:03:57,835 --> 01:04:01,202 - Well, what have we here? - After-shave. 1101 01:04:01,306 --> 01:04:03,501 Awww. 1102 01:04:07,011 --> 01:04:09,479 Uh-huh. 1103 01:04:12,350 --> 01:04:14,215 Oh, now! 1104 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:18,551 Oh, my God! How swell! 1105 01:04:18,656 --> 01:04:23,093 I guess I'm surrounded. Thank you, Charlie. 1106 01:04:23,194 --> 01:04:25,594 I-I thought you might like it, Dad. 1107 01:04:30,568 --> 01:04:33,128 So do you remember Herbert Stempel? 1108 01:04:33,237 --> 01:04:35,797 Remember him? I still can't believe I beat him. 1109 01:04:35,907 --> 01:04:40,901 Stempel tells me that Dan Enright made him take a dive from the show. 1110 01:04:41,012 --> 01:04:43,276 What? 1111 01:04:43,381 --> 01:04:46,908 He tells me that Dan Enright made him take a dive. 1112 01:04:48,553 --> 01:04:51,386 - That's ridiculous. - Yeah? 1113 01:04:51,489 --> 01:04:55,186 A little odd, though, don't ya think? I mean, losing on such an easy question? 1114 01:04:55,293 --> 01:04:58,194 You know, frankly, Dick, if Stempel can just run around... 1115 01:04:58,296 --> 01:05:01,754 and smear a man like Dan Enright to the United States Congress... 1116 01:05:01,866 --> 01:05:05,199 No, nobody's smearing anybody. I'm just trying to figure out the truth here. 1117 01:05:05,303 --> 01:05:08,898 Could you just untie the bowline there and shove us off? 1118 01:05:12,610 --> 01:05:14,510 All right. 1119 01:05:17,181 --> 01:05:20,082 Dick, could you raise the jib for us, please? 1120 01:05:20,184 --> 01:05:23,017 The jib. Just, uh... Yeah. 1121 01:05:28,926 --> 01:05:33,192 Do you remember what it was like for guys like us when we were in school? 1122 01:05:33,297 --> 01:05:36,289 Being smart was like being cross-eyed. 1123 01:05:36,401 --> 01:05:38,665 But you should see the letters I get. 1124 01:05:38,770 --> 01:05:41,295 Kids are excited about... about books... 1125 01:05:41,406 --> 01:05:44,739 and learning and general knowledge. 1126 01:05:44,842 --> 01:05:47,310 Dan Enright had a lot to do with that. 1127 01:05:47,412 --> 01:05:50,040 Yeah, but don't you think he wanted you to win? 1128 01:05:50,148 --> 01:05:52,514 I mean, if you look at the ratings, they're staggering. 1129 01:05:52,617 --> 01:05:56,849 Well, what did he say, they "made" him take a dive? 1130 01:05:56,954 --> 01:05:59,650 - Well. - Well, how did they "make" him take a dive anyway? 1131 01:05:59,757 --> 01:06:02,555 He didn't want to jeopardize any future he might have in television. 1132 01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:06,357 Yeah, well... 1133 01:06:06,464 --> 01:06:10,366 Anyway, how many people did you say testified in front of the grand jury? 1134 01:06:10,468 --> 01:06:12,436 Why? What's your point? 1135 01:06:12,537 --> 01:06:16,496 Well, if what you're saying is true, then everybody lied. 1136 01:06:28,219 --> 01:06:30,210 - Hi. Al Freedman. - Hi. I'm Danny. 1137 01:06:30,288 --> 01:06:33,883 Good to see you. I'm sorry for the delay. Come on in. Have a seat. 1138 01:06:33,991 --> 01:06:36,516 - Would you like a cup of coffee or a soft drink? - Anything? 1139 01:06:36,627 --> 01:06:38,094 - I'm fine. Thanks. - You sure? 1140 01:06:38,196 --> 01:06:40,096 - We're very well stocked up here. - Nothing? - I'm fine. 1141 01:06:40,198 --> 01:06:42,928 - No trouble. - I understand you've spoken to Charles Van Doren. 1142 01:06:43,034 --> 01:06:45,798 - And Herbert Stempel. - Oh, I was afraid of that. 1143 01:06:45,903 --> 01:06:48,701 He says and I quote, that he was made to "take a dive." 1144 01:06:48,806 --> 01:06:52,799 Believe me, I'm quite familiar with Herb's allegations. I could recite them by rote. 1145 01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:55,572 Forty-six witnesses swore up and down Herbie's a lying tub of shit. 1146 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,079 - Al. - Sorry. 1147 01:06:57,181 --> 01:07:00,480 - Why the big secret? - Well, to protect people's reputations. 1148 01:07:00,585 --> 01:07:05,420 I mean, frankly, you never know what the public is gonna believe, you see? 1149 01:07:05,523 --> 01:07:07,616 There's that and, um... 1150 01:07:09,994 --> 01:07:11,894 And what? 1151 01:07:11,996 --> 01:07:15,898 - Look, Dick, I wa... Can I call you Dick? - Sure, Dan. 1152 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,333 After the loss, Herb came to visit me in an agitated... 1153 01:07:19,436 --> 01:07:24,271 - Well, I suppose the clinical term would be, uh... what? - The guy's nuts. 1154 01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:27,276 - Manic. He was in a manic frame of mind. - Manic. 1155 01:07:27,378 --> 01:07:30,541 And I took the precaution of tape recording that meeting. 1156 01:07:30,648 --> 01:07:32,946 Al, would you... play the tape? 1157 01:07:33,050 --> 01:07:35,280 Listen to this. 1158 01:07:35,386 --> 01:07:38,219 You get me that panel show... 1159 01:07:38,322 --> 01:07:41,052 or I'm gonna bring you down, you lousy lyin' prick! 1160 01:07:41,158 --> 01:07:43,319 You and Charles Van fuckin' Doren! 1161 01:07:43,427 --> 01:07:45,918 What is this, Herb? Are you blackmailin' me? 1162 01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:49,761 I need that money, Dan. I need to get back on television. You get me that panel show... 1163 01:07:49,867 --> 01:07:52,427 - or I'll tell everyone it's a fraud. - You know that's not true. 1164 01:07:52,536 --> 01:07:55,266 Who cares if it's true? "The fix is in this week on Twenty-One." 1165 01:07:55,372 --> 01:07:58,432 Okay. 1166 01:08:00,211 --> 01:08:03,408 So he needed more money after all that money he won. 1167 01:08:03,514 --> 01:08:05,982 Gambling. And that's the least of it. 1168 01:08:06,083 --> 01:08:09,917 I mean, if the judge was protecting anyone, he was protecting Herb. 1169 01:08:10,020 --> 01:08:12,545 Given... Well... 1170 01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:19,755 - His medical condition. - His medical condition? 1171 01:08:19,864 --> 01:08:23,595 - Oh, yeah. - Al, get the bills. 1172 01:08:23,701 --> 01:08:26,431 I mean, put yourself in his shoes. 1173 01:08:26,537 --> 01:08:28,801 He's no longer in the public eye. 1174 01:08:28,906 --> 01:08:32,933 He's remembered, if he's remembered at all, as "the guy that lost to Van Doren." 1175 01:08:33,043 --> 01:08:34,943 Television is like a monkey on his back, 1176 01:08:35,045 --> 01:08:37,912 and we're not talking about someone who is necessarily stable to begin with. 1177 01:08:38,015 --> 01:08:41,416 - No. - So you paid for his psychoanalysis? 1178 01:08:41,518 --> 01:08:43,452 - I felt responsible. - You're too nice. 1179 01:08:43,554 --> 01:08:46,284 - No, I'm not. - If it were up to me, I would've sent him to the skating rink the fast way. 1180 01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:49,689 - Five sessions a week? - Five, and not a dent. 1181 01:08:49,793 --> 01:08:54,753 Herb is so angry with himself for losing, and it was on such a simple question too. 1182 01:08:54,865 --> 01:08:57,800 - Marty. - Marty. His ego couldn't handle it. 1183 01:08:57,902 --> 01:09:01,099 He blames Charles Van Doren for his downfall. 1184 01:09:01,205 --> 01:09:05,266 And of course, the real downfall of Herbert Stempel has always been Herbert Stempel. 1185 01:09:05,376 --> 01:09:08,311 Herbert Stempel. Absolutely. You met him. Does he seem stable to you? 1186 01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:11,904 Well, I definitely have an inkling of what you're talking about. 1187 01:09:12,016 --> 01:09:15,474 He told me this whole story about how when a Jew is on the show, 1188 01:09:15,586 --> 01:09:19,022 he always loses to a Gentile, and then the Gentile wins more money. 1189 01:09:19,123 --> 01:09:23,150 Right? Who could dream up a scheme like that? 1190 01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:25,387 A symptom of his Van Doren fixation. 1191 01:09:25,496 --> 01:09:28,226 The thing of it is, I looked it up. It's true. 1192 01:09:31,535 --> 01:09:33,799 We could check it. 1193 01:09:34,138 --> 01:09:36,106 Herbie, I wanna go home. 1194 01:09:36,140 --> 01:09:38,802 I took you to dinner, didn't I? Just hold your horses. 1195 01:09:38,909 --> 01:09:42,401 This is ridiculous. Wha... 1196 01:09:47,952 --> 01:09:52,616 Where have you been? Why don't you return my phone calls? Did you talk to Van Doren? 1197 01:09:52,723 --> 01:09:55,851 - I'll tell you who I spoke to. I spoke to Dan Enright. - Forget Enright. 1198 01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,329 Goodwin, 1535. You threatened to blackmail him if he didn't get you on a panel show? 1199 01:10:00,431 --> 01:10:03,798 What? When? I didn't blackmail him. What are you talking about? 1200 01:10:03,901 --> 01:10:08,338 - He's got the whole thing on tape. - He promised me that panel show. 1201 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,566 What tape? What are you talking about? 1202 01:10:10,674 --> 01:10:12,869 Listen, Goodwin, don't think I don't see what you're doin'. 1203 01:10:12,977 --> 01:10:15,605 You're building this great case against me. A pile of evidence, 1204 01:10:15,713 --> 01:10:17,738 an army of witnesses against me, Herb Stempel. 1205 01:10:17,848 --> 01:10:21,648 And meanwhile, you and Van Doren are off giving each other the secret lvy League handshake. 1206 01:10:21,752 --> 01:10:23,652 Herb, you're makin' me look like a jerk. 1207 01:10:23,754 --> 01:10:25,654 I know what they're doin' to you. They did it to me. 1208 01:10:25,756 --> 01:10:27,917 Just because you went to Harvard, you think you have some stake in the system? 1209 01:10:28,025 --> 01:10:30,493 - He didn't pay for your psychiatrist bills? - The point is... 1210 01:10:30,594 --> 01:10:32,494 Van Doren got the answers. 1211 01:10:32,596 --> 01:10:35,963 He did not get the answers. If anything, he gave them answers. 1212 01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:39,433 - I know he got the answers. - Ah, bullshit, Herb. How do you know he got the answers? 1213 01:10:39,536 --> 01:10:42,334 Because I got the answers. 1214 01:10:48,712 --> 01:10:52,808 You got the answers? What do you mean, you got the answers? 1215 01:10:52,916 --> 01:10:57,444 Not very many answers. I just wanted to get out from under the financial thumb of my in-laws. 1216 01:10:57,554 --> 01:11:00,318 I don't understand. I thought you were a victim in all this. 1217 01:11:00,424 --> 01:11:03,723 I didn't hold myself up to be the crowned prince of education. 1218 01:11:03,827 --> 01:11:08,059 I didn't preen myself on the cover of Time magazine with a face full of phony humility... 1219 01:11:08,165 --> 01:11:11,100 Good night, Herb. 1220 01:11:17,041 --> 01:11:19,100 Toby. 1221 01:11:21,045 --> 01:11:23,878 Toby, where do you think you're going without me? 1222 01:11:23,981 --> 01:11:25,881 You never told me you got the answers. 1223 01:11:25,983 --> 01:11:30,147 I knew the answers to a good part of the questions anyhow. The ones I didn't, they fed me. 1224 01:11:30,254 --> 01:11:32,688 - I'm sure I must've mentioned it. - It's not a thing you mentioned. 1225 01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:34,690 What else did you do that you didn't mention? 1226 01:11:34,792 --> 01:11:38,353 Enright sat right in our kitchen and said, "How'd you like to make $25,000?" 1227 01:11:38,462 --> 01:11:40,862 I don't know any man in America who would turn that down. 1228 01:11:40,964 --> 01:11:43,865 - It's dishonest. - Let me tell you about honest. 1229 01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:47,403 You know what my father used to tell me? "Work hard and you'll get ahead." 1230 01:11:47,504 --> 01:11:49,665 Was that honest? Look at Geritol. 1231 01:11:49,773 --> 01:11:54,107 "Geritol cures tired blood." And I'm the one who's supposed to be ashamed. 1232 01:11:54,211 --> 01:11:56,304 You never said that you were getting the answers. 1233 01:11:56,413 --> 01:11:58,313 Let them believe whatever they want. What do I care? 1234 01:11:58,415 --> 01:12:03,216 - What do I care if a bunch of saps... - I was one of those saps, Herbert. 1235 01:12:13,664 --> 01:12:19,296 He got the answers. Now why would he admit that? He's only implicating himself. 1236 01:12:19,403 --> 01:12:23,897 - Well, maybe it's the truth. - Yeah, well I have a hunch it is the truth. 1237 01:12:24,007 --> 01:12:26,999 Though meanwhile, we'll have to have him testify in a straitjacket. 1238 01:12:27,111 --> 01:12:30,205 But Van Doren isn't crazy. Maybe you should put him on the stand. 1239 01:12:30,314 --> 01:12:33,340 - What's Van Doren got to do with this? - They gave Stempel the answers. 1240 01:12:33,450 --> 01:12:34,974 Why would Van Doren be any different? 1241 01:12:35,085 --> 01:12:37,576 You have no idea what these people are like. 1242 01:12:37,688 --> 01:12:41,749 - It's all Thurber and Trilling and Bunny Wilson. - Bunny? 1243 01:12:41,859 --> 01:12:44,191 Yeah, Edmund Wilson. That's what they call him. 1244 01:12:44,294 --> 01:12:45,989 Well, that doesn't mean you have to. 1245 01:12:46,096 --> 01:12:49,429 Look, my point is, why would a guy like that jeopardize everything he has? 1246 01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:53,230 - Which is what? - Sandra, the man is on the cover of Time magazine. 1247 01:12:53,337 --> 01:12:56,602 He's not gonna be on the cover of Time as Mark Van Doren's son, Dick. 1248 01:12:56,707 --> 01:12:59,904 Boxing. How many points would you like to risk? 1249 01:13:00,010 --> 01:13:02,342 I'll risk eight points, Jack. 1250 01:13:02,446 --> 01:13:06,143 All right. For eight points, name the three heavyweight champions... 1251 01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:09,447 immediately preceding Joe Louis. 1252 01:13:12,422 --> 01:13:15,220 Well, my father would know that. 1253 01:13:15,325 --> 01:13:18,886 - That'd be James J. Braddock. - Correct. 1254 01:13:18,996 --> 01:13:21,556 Max Baer lost the belt to Braddock. 1255 01:13:21,665 --> 01:13:24,031 Yes. And the fellow Baer beat? 1256 01:13:24,134 --> 01:13:27,763 Oh, now, I remember he knocked him down 12 times before he finally succumbed. 1257 01:13:27,871 --> 01:13:30,704 - Would you like to guess? - Primo Carnera. 1258 01:13:30,807 --> 01:13:32,866 Correct! You have 21! 1259 01:13:35,445 --> 01:13:37,504 Second base is Eddie Stanky. 1260 01:13:37,614 --> 01:13:39,514 No, it's Red Schoendienst. 1261 01:13:39,616 --> 01:13:42,210 I hear that Pat Boone plays on the White Shoes. 1262 01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:44,480 - No, that's Daniel Boone. - Ace-King bets. 1263 01:13:44,588 --> 01:13:46,954 - Check. Check. - Bet five. 1264 01:13:47,057 --> 01:13:50,288 - I'll raise that a dollar. - I'm out. 1265 01:13:50,394 --> 01:13:52,157 You better watch out, Fred. 1266 01:13:52,262 --> 01:13:54,696 Dick's one of the brightest young lawyers down in Washington. 1267 01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:58,393 Great. All my money already goes to Washington. Taxes. 1268 01:13:58,502 --> 01:14:00,970 - It's nothin' but organized theft. - No, property. 1269 01:14:01,071 --> 01:14:03,733 - What? - "Property is theft," I believe. 1270 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,638 That's the locus classicus from Proudhon. 1271 01:14:06,743 --> 01:14:08,472 I warned you. 1272 01:14:08,579 --> 01:14:12,174 - Oh, great, another one. - Ace bets five. 1273 01:14:13,884 --> 01:14:16,751 - And another one. - I'll see that. 1274 01:14:16,853 --> 01:14:20,084 - What are you working on, Charlie? - I raise five dollars. 1275 01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:23,785 - I'd love to know what you got under there, Charlie. - The truth has its price. 1276 01:14:23,894 --> 01:14:27,853 Everything has its price. 1277 01:14:27,965 --> 01:14:33,699 - So where'd ya prep, Dick? - Dick's up here on a witch hunt. He thinks Twenty-One is rigged. 1278 01:14:33,804 --> 01:14:36,466 Is it? 1279 01:14:39,009 --> 01:14:43,002 Hey, uh... which face cards are in profile, without looking? 1280 01:14:43,113 --> 01:14:45,206 Jack of spades, king of diamonds, jack of hearts. 1281 01:14:45,315 --> 01:14:48,478 Can we play cards? It's bad enough my wife makes me watch this crap. 1282 01:14:48,585 --> 01:14:51,486 Okay, you're writing a book on Lincoln. The night he was shot, who was the doctor... 1283 01:14:51,588 --> 01:14:52,953 at his deathbed? 1284 01:14:53,056 --> 01:14:55,718 Joseph K. Barnes was the doctor. 1285 01:14:55,826 --> 01:14:59,023 - Whoa. - Who was the detective on the case? 1286 01:14:59,129 --> 01:15:01,962 The detective was Clarvoe. John Alexander Clarvoe. 1287 01:15:02,065 --> 01:15:03,726 - Who embalmed him? - Come on. 1288 01:15:03,834 --> 01:15:05,563 Black or brown, Charles D. Brown. 1289 01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:08,297 Then he was murdered with estate taxes. Let's play. 1290 01:15:08,405 --> 01:15:10,930 - You're not impressed? - Ace checks. 1291 01:15:11,041 --> 01:15:12,906 Check. 1292 01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:14,910 Um... 1293 01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,841 - Whoa. - Now I'm impressed. 1294 01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:22,646 Go ahead, Dick, call 'em. 1295 01:15:22,753 --> 01:15:25,813 What do you say, Dick? 1296 01:15:25,922 --> 01:15:28,823 I know you're lying. 1297 01:15:28,925 --> 01:15:31,917 Whoa-oh. 1298 01:15:32,029 --> 01:15:35,897 Bluffing. The word is bluffing. 1299 01:15:41,104 --> 01:15:43,038 Too rich for my blood. 1300 01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:46,166 - Try Geritol. - Sandwich time. 1301 01:15:47,244 --> 01:15:49,678 How 'bout a drink? 1302 01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:53,011 This game could use a little juice, huh? 1303 01:15:56,186 --> 01:15:58,279 Charlie? Charlie? 1304 01:15:58,388 --> 01:16:01,323 The only people who can implicate you directly are all in this room. 1305 01:16:01,425 --> 01:16:03,017 Just think about that. 1306 01:16:03,126 --> 01:16:05,185 - You think that nudzh is gonna get me to talk? - He may be a nudzh, 1307 01:16:05,295 --> 01:16:08,196 but he was also first in his class at Harvard Law School. 1308 01:16:08,298 --> 01:16:10,425 - Oh, Harvard? - Will you please stop that? 1309 01:16:10,534 --> 01:16:14,402 - Al, stop it. - Sorry. Charlie, they could kill me, I wouldn't talk. 1310 01:16:14,504 --> 01:16:17,132 They could subject me to any kind of torture, um... 1311 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,470 - The rack? - Thank you. They could put me on the rack... 1312 01:16:19,576 --> 01:16:21,237 - The iron maiden? - Whatever. 1313 01:16:21,345 --> 01:16:24,542 - The bastinado? - Charlie, I'm not tellin' 'em a godamned thing. 1314 01:16:24,648 --> 01:16:26,741 - Correct me, Dan, if I'm wrong. - No, you're right. 1315 01:16:26,850 --> 01:16:30,308 Plus, what did you do wrong? Everybody knows the magician don't saw the lady in half. 1316 01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,321 - It's not exactly the same thing. - It's entertainment. 1317 01:16:33,423 --> 01:16:35,550 I am a college professor! 1318 01:16:38,028 --> 01:16:40,553 They need the professor in make-up. 1319 01:17:36,820 --> 01:17:40,916 Oh-ho, well. 1320 01:17:41,024 --> 01:17:43,584 Aren't you Charles Van Doren? 1321 01:17:43,693 --> 01:17:47,527 I'm sorry, Dad. I didn't mean to wake you. I just had to get out of the city. 1322 01:17:47,631 --> 01:17:50,862 You're always welcome, Charlie. 1323 01:17:50,967 --> 01:17:54,198 Sometimes it's hard sleeping in the city. 1324 01:17:54,304 --> 01:17:59,173 - I hope you don't mind. I took the rest of the cake. - You look like you could use it. 1325 01:17:59,276 --> 01:18:03,736 - Under a little strain lately. - That's the way it always is when you're finishing a book. 1326 01:18:03,847 --> 01:18:06,680 Oh, no, actually, it's the... television show. 1327 01:18:06,783 --> 01:18:11,117 Ow, Jesus, I just realized, we watched your show. 1328 01:18:11,221 --> 01:18:14,679 Did I tell you? Mother and I moved the television to the den. 1329 01:18:14,791 --> 01:18:18,283 - No, no, you didn't mention it. - Anyway, what was it? 1330 01:18:18,395 --> 01:18:21,057 Something about the Galapagos lslands? 1331 01:18:21,164 --> 01:18:23,724 You know what? I'll try some of that. 1332 01:18:23,834 --> 01:18:26,735 The origin and the destination of the voyage of the Beagle. 1333 01:18:26,837 --> 01:18:30,295 That's right. Biology for six points. 1334 01:18:30,407 --> 01:18:33,069 Good God, the pressure! 1335 01:18:33,176 --> 01:18:37,135 All those lights, the money, those strange little booths, 1336 01:18:37,247 --> 01:18:41,877 that man talking so fast, like being in a bull ring. 1337 01:18:41,985 --> 01:18:44,249 I don't think I could remember my name. 1338 01:18:44,354 --> 01:18:46,788 You know, I always had a good head for that kind of stuff. 1339 01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:51,418 It's just amazing that you could make it look so easy. 1340 01:18:51,528 --> 01:18:55,055 But your mother always said you were the actor in the family, Charlie. 1341 01:18:55,165 --> 01:18:57,463 Yeah. 1342 01:18:57,567 --> 01:19:02,197 As long as it doesn't interfere with your teaching, why not? 1343 01:19:05,041 --> 01:19:06,941 Dad. 1344 01:19:08,311 --> 01:19:11,542 Huh? What? 1345 01:19:17,187 --> 01:19:19,314 Something on your mind? 1346 01:19:28,265 --> 01:19:32,292 You never told me you felt pressure... 1347 01:19:32,402 --> 01:19:35,894 you know, um... like finishing a book. 1348 01:19:36,006 --> 01:19:38,998 Oh-ho, are you kidding? 1349 01:19:39,109 --> 01:19:42,510 When I was finishing the Hawthorne book, I tossed and turned so badly... 1350 01:19:42,612 --> 01:19:45,410 your mother threatened to check into a hotel. 1351 01:19:45,515 --> 01:19:47,983 Oh, sure. 1352 01:19:48,084 --> 01:19:52,453 You know, I think the old bird's finally getting the hang of this. 1353 01:19:54,457 --> 01:19:57,358 You know, I just had the strongest memory. 1354 01:19:57,460 --> 01:20:00,793 Coming home from school, going to the fridge. 1355 01:20:00,897 --> 01:20:05,459 Ice-cold bottle of milk, big piece of chocolate cake. 1356 01:20:05,569 --> 01:20:08,663 It was just the simplicity of it. 1357 01:20:08,772 --> 01:20:12,037 I-I can't think of anything that will make me feel that happy again. 1358 01:20:15,545 --> 01:20:17,809 Not 'til you have a son. 1359 01:20:31,227 --> 01:20:33,957 That would be our most difficult question on American Literature. 1360 01:20:34,064 --> 01:20:37,966 For 11 points, I'll read you lines from America's greatest poets. 1361 01:20:38,068 --> 01:20:40,400 You must identify the author. First: 1362 01:20:40,503 --> 01:20:44,462 "I hear America singing the very carols I hear." 1363 01:20:44,574 --> 01:20:46,974 That would be... Walt Whitman. 1364 01:20:47,077 --> 01:20:49,102 That's right. Second: 1365 01:20:49,212 --> 01:20:53,649 "I shot an arrow in the air. It fell to earth I know not where." 1366 01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:57,652 Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Right again, Jim! 1367 01:20:57,754 --> 01:21:01,884 Finally: "Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul." 1368 01:21:01,992 --> 01:21:06,053 That is, uh... actually by one of my favorite poets, 1369 01:21:06,162 --> 01:21:08,562 Emily Dickinson. 1370 01:21:08,665 --> 01:21:13,193 I'm sorry, Jim. Did... Did you say Emily Dickinson? 1371 01:21:13,303 --> 01:21:17,171 Oh! Well, yes! All right! 1372 01:21:23,413 --> 01:21:26,439 ...Dickinson. - I'm sorry, Jim. 1373 01:21:26,549 --> 01:21:30,713 Did... Did you say Emily Dickinson? Oh! Well, yes! 1374 01:21:39,663 --> 01:21:42,131 ...favorite poets, Emily Dickinson. 1375 01:21:42,232 --> 01:21:46,760 I'm sorry, Jim. Did... Did you say Emily Dickinson? 1376 01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:50,203 Oh! Well, yes! 1377 01:21:54,377 --> 01:21:56,709 - Who is it? - Mr. Snodgrass? 1378 01:21:56,813 --> 01:22:00,146 - Yeah? - My name is Richard Goodwin. 1379 01:22:00,250 --> 01:22:04,710 - Yeah? - Hi. I'm a Federal lnvestigator on a congressional subcommittee. 1380 01:22:04,821 --> 01:22:07,619 - The committee's been investigating the quiz shows. 1381 01:22:07,724 --> 01:22:12,093 I was just looking at a kinescope of your appearance on Twenty-One, and I noticed... 1382 01:22:12,195 --> 01:22:14,629 Mr. Snodgrass? 1383 01:22:23,406 --> 01:22:26,967 - This is good. - Yeah? What is it? 1384 01:22:41,191 --> 01:22:43,625 - Drive on by. - What? 1385 01:22:43,727 --> 01:22:45,922 - Go around to the back entrance. - Okay. 1386 01:22:49,766 --> 01:22:52,326 Mr. Kintner's office. 1387 01:22:54,437 --> 01:22:57,463 Excuse me. Do you think he might see me before the peacock molts? 1388 01:22:57,574 --> 01:23:01,510 - Who are you with again? - I'm with the U.S. Congress. Perhaps you've heard of them. 1389 01:23:01,611 --> 01:23:05,377 Oh, your name is Gold... Excuse me, not you. Your name is Goldwyn? 1390 01:23:05,482 --> 01:23:08,679 - Goodwin. - Ah, yes. Please have a seat, Mr. Goldwyn... Goodwin. 1391 01:23:08,785 --> 01:23:10,685 - I'll see if he's available. - Right. 1392 01:23:10,787 --> 01:23:14,518 -Yes, that's red, long stem. Thank you. 1393 01:23:14,624 --> 01:23:17,320 Well, I'm sure he'd be available if my name were Geritol. 1394 01:23:17,427 --> 01:23:21,124 - Perhaps if you could come back another time. 1395 01:23:21,231 --> 01:23:23,631 - Good night, Rose. - Good night, Mr. Kintner. 1396 01:23:23,733 --> 01:23:26,566 - Mr. Kintner. My name is Richard Goodwin. - Oh? 1397 01:23:26,669 --> 01:23:30,833 - I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. - Congratulations. 1398 01:23:30,940 --> 01:23:33,670 - How's Chairman Harris? - Oh, he's fine. 1399 01:23:33,777 --> 01:23:36,177 Still in that sand trap where I left him? 1400 01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:39,476 I am here to give you a chance to cooperate. 1401 01:23:39,582 --> 01:23:42,483 We'll cooperate in any way we can. Now will you excuse me? 1402 01:23:42,585 --> 01:23:45,679 Twenty-One is rigged, and I can prove it. Who won, how long they were on, 1403 01:23:45,789 --> 01:23:49,486 it was all a scheme to keep the ratings up, and NBC made millions off it. 1404 01:23:49,592 --> 01:23:54,086 Young man, I am the President of the National Broadcasting Company. 1405 01:23:54,197 --> 01:23:58,566 I have no idea what the day-to-day operations of Twenty-One are. 1406 01:23:58,668 --> 01:24:02,001 Does Chairman Harris know every little thing you're up to? 1407 01:24:02,105 --> 01:24:05,905 I have Enright cold. And, sir, that means I have you. 1408 01:24:06,009 --> 01:24:07,840 - Really? - Really. 1409 01:24:07,944 --> 01:24:11,277 Then why are you the one that's sweating? 1410 01:24:13,817 --> 01:24:17,548 This week's challenger from New York, New York, welcome Mrs. Vivienne Nearing. 1411 01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:22,182 And returning this week with $139,000, our champion, Charles Van Doren. 1412 01:24:25,328 --> 01:24:28,491 - A very cordial welcome to the show, Mrs. Nearing. Mr. Van Doren. - Jack. 1413 01:24:28,598 --> 01:24:31,158 You're back again with a lot of money at stake. 1414 01:24:31,267 --> 01:24:35,067 Mrs. Nearing, let's tell the Professor and our audience a little something about you. 1415 01:24:35,171 --> 01:24:38,470 A sometimes painter, pianist and Double-Crostics fan, 1416 01:24:38,575 --> 01:24:41,874 she has a Bachelor's Degree from Queens College, New York, 1417 01:24:41,978 --> 01:24:44,503 and a M.A. and L.L.B. from Columbia. 1418 01:24:44,614 --> 01:24:47,447 She and her husband Victor are lawyers in New York. 1419 01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:50,576 - Quite a bean inside that pretty head, huh? - She's terrifying. 1420 01:24:50,687 --> 01:24:54,350 All right, I think you both know how to play the game. Don't forget to put your earphones on. 1421 01:24:54,457 --> 01:24:58,484 The very best of luck to both of you. Let's play Twenty-One. 1422 01:25:03,066 --> 01:25:07,127 Some of the most important airplanes of World War ll were the following: 1423 01:25:07,237 --> 01:25:10,502 The P-40, the P-47, the P-51, 1424 01:25:10,607 --> 01:25:15,169 the B-24, the B-25 and the B-26. 1425 01:25:15,278 --> 01:25:18,645 Give me the nicknames the Air Force gave to these planes. 1426 01:25:18,748 --> 01:25:23,447 That's much harder than the question they asked that woman, and hers was ten points! 1427 01:25:23,553 --> 01:25:26,386 - Do you know the names of those planes? - Of course not. Sit down. 1428 01:25:26,489 --> 01:25:28,821 Who would know the names of those planes? 1429 01:25:28,925 --> 01:25:31,917 - He's not the Secretary of Defense. - Shh, shh. 1430 01:25:32,028 --> 01:25:36,829 As we enter our final round, Mrs. Nearing leads by a score of 21 to 16. 1431 01:25:36,933 --> 01:25:40,892 It is the moment of truth, as it were, for Charles Van Doren, our reigning champion, 1432 01:25:41,004 --> 01:25:43,029 after a record-breaking 14 weeks. 1433 01:25:43,139 --> 01:25:45,300 Will he hold onto his title? 1434 01:25:45,408 --> 01:25:48,241 Wow. Mrs. Nearing. 1435 01:25:48,344 --> 01:25:51,336 - Yes? - You have the required 21 points. 1436 01:25:51,447 --> 01:25:53,677 We're going to let you listen in on this last round. 1437 01:25:53,783 --> 01:25:57,150 Please do not divulge your score or speak in any way. 1438 01:25:57,253 --> 01:26:01,155 Mr. Van Doren, the category is royalty. 1439 01:26:01,257 --> 01:26:03,350 - Royalty. Yes, sir. - Royalty. 1440 01:26:03,459 --> 01:26:06,656 - How many points would you like to try for? - Well, let's see. 1441 01:26:06,763 --> 01:26:10,221 I'll take five, five points. 1442 01:26:10,333 --> 01:26:14,235 All right. Name the kings of the following countries: 1443 01:26:14,337 --> 01:26:18,137 Norway, Sweden, Belgium and lraq. 1444 01:26:18,241 --> 01:26:20,835 - Could I take the third part last? - Certainly. 1445 01:26:20,944 --> 01:26:24,038 Take as much time as you need, Charlie. You have a lot riding on these answers. 1446 01:26:24,147 --> 01:26:27,742 I sure have. Well, Norway, that would be Haakon. King Haakon. 1447 01:26:27,850 --> 01:26:31,911 - That's right - And Sweden, um, Gustavus. 1448 01:26:32,021 --> 01:26:35,218 - Right again, Charlie. The King of Iraq? - Iraq, uh... 1449 01:26:35,325 --> 01:26:39,659 Turn it... Turn it off. Turn the damn thing off! 1450 01:26:39,762 --> 01:26:44,995 - Good God! What got into you? - It's just too nerve-wracking. 1451 01:26:45,101 --> 01:26:47,069 I remember that's his, um... 1452 01:26:47,170 --> 01:26:51,004 great-uncle in that wonderful book, The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom. 1453 01:26:51,107 --> 01:26:53,871 Um, Do... No, um... 1454 01:26:53,977 --> 01:26:57,674 - Fais... Oh, King Faisal. - Correct. And Belgium? 1455 01:26:57,780 --> 01:27:01,375 Belgium. Belgium. Belgium. Belgium. Let me see... That's the third part? 1456 01:27:01,484 --> 01:27:04,612 - That's right. - Um... 1457 01:27:04,721 --> 01:27:07,690 King of Belgium, um... 1458 01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:10,850 Um... Um... 1459 01:27:15,965 --> 01:27:17,865 Let me see... 1460 01:27:20,937 --> 01:27:23,405 Professor, would you like more time? 1461 01:27:23,506 --> 01:27:26,441 Belgium, the King of Belgium. 1462 01:27:26,542 --> 01:27:28,533 I can picture him, Jack. 1463 01:27:28,644 --> 01:27:31,704 Right down to that Hapsburg lip that they... 1464 01:27:31,814 --> 01:27:35,750 I can't seem to summon the name. Um... 1465 01:27:35,852 --> 01:27:38,753 He's gonna dump it. 1466 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,720 Is Garroway here? 1467 01:27:49,132 --> 01:27:52,966 Professor, I'm sorry. I'm going to have to ask for your answer. 1468 01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,634 It seems like an easy one. 1469 01:28:06,816 --> 01:28:08,750 Leopold. 1470 01:28:09,819 --> 01:28:13,414 No. 1471 01:28:16,826 --> 01:28:20,159 No, I'm... I'm sorry, Charlie. The answer is Baudouin. 1472 01:28:20,263 --> 01:28:22,731 King Baudouin. 1473 01:28:22,832 --> 01:28:26,199 Leopold is Baudouin's father, the former king. 1474 01:28:26,302 --> 01:28:28,668 What a stunning turn of events. 1475 01:28:28,771 --> 01:28:33,231 - Mrs. Nearing, you have just unseated our champion. - Baudouin. Of course. 1476 01:28:33,342 --> 01:28:36,175 Come out here, both of you. 1477 01:28:40,450 --> 01:28:44,648 Listen, you don't know what to do? Give him another chance, that's what. 1478 01:28:44,754 --> 01:28:47,279 Call it a bonus round, but get him on that show again. 1479 01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:51,690 - Someone will call if he loses, won't they? - I'm sure. 1480 01:28:51,794 --> 01:28:53,489 - Congratulations. - Thank you. 1481 01:28:53,596 --> 01:28:57,327 Changing of the guard, as it were. You take home $10,000 of Mr. Van Doren's money. 1482 01:28:57,433 --> 01:29:00,459 We'll try not to hold that against you. Please, come back next week. 1483 01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:03,334 Tell us you want to continue playing. I sure hope you do. How 'bout a warm hand... 1484 01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,272 - for our new champion, Mrs. Vivienne Nearing. - Thank you. 1485 01:29:09,312 --> 01:29:12,145 Whoa, who is that in our wing? Is that Dave Garroway? 1486 01:29:12,248 --> 01:29:15,843 Dave Garroway of the NBC Today Show, ladies and gentlemen. 1487 01:29:15,952 --> 01:29:18,443 Hello, Dave. 1488 01:29:18,554 --> 01:29:20,715 - How are you, Charlie? - Fine, thank you, Dave. 1489 01:29:20,823 --> 01:29:24,623 - I was wondering, what are you gonna do now? - Well, I was, um... 1490 01:29:24,727 --> 01:29:28,686 hoping to enjoy some peace and quiet now and a chance to get back to my books. 1491 01:29:28,798 --> 01:29:33,167 You know, eventually, this sad day had to come, but we don't wanna lose you. 1492 01:29:33,269 --> 01:29:38,172 So, at the Today Show, we decided why not make Charlie our special cultural correspondent, 1493 01:29:38,274 --> 01:29:41,107 to the people and to the school children of America. 1494 01:29:41,210 --> 01:29:43,371 Well, I... I hope you're not firing the chimp. 1495 01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:49,145 How does $50,000 a year sound to you, Professor? 1496 01:29:52,688 --> 01:29:55,316 Um, well, I... 1497 01:29:55,424 --> 01:29:58,985 I was hoping to, um... to get back to my teaching. 1498 01:29:59,095 --> 01:30:03,225 Well, this is the largest classroom in the world, Professor: television. 1499 01:30:03,332 --> 01:30:06,529 So, if you will, just sign right here on the dotted line. 1500 01:30:06,636 --> 01:30:11,096 Charlie, walk away. Come on. You don't need it. 1501 01:30:15,711 --> 01:30:19,169 - Congratulations, Charlie. - Thank you. 1502 01:30:22,018 --> 01:30:24,213 - Did Mr. Garroway leave? - Yes, sir. 1503 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:25,981 - Good show, Dave. - Thanks. 1504 01:30:26,088 --> 01:30:29,353 - Mrs. Nearing, congratulations. It was a wonderful show. - Thank you. 1505 01:30:29,458 --> 01:30:32,120 Gentlemen, this is Mrs. Nearing. You know Al Freedman. 1506 01:30:32,228 --> 01:30:34,753 - Yes, we've met. You're gonna be needed tomorrow. 1507 01:30:35,831 --> 01:30:38,356 You're a very disruptive young man. 1508 01:30:38,467 --> 01:30:43,427 Okay, let's bring the camera out, and let's bring the blackboard in. 1509 01:30:43,539 --> 01:30:47,168 - You remember James Snodgrass? - Who? And can we get Mrs. Nearing in there? 1510 01:30:47,276 --> 01:30:50,074 - James Snodgrass. - Get her in there with her family. 1511 01:30:50,179 --> 01:30:53,979 - He was a contestant on your show. - You know how many contestants we've had? 1512 01:30:54,083 --> 01:30:58,110 - This man was an artist. Maybe that'll jog your memory. - Al digs these people up. 1513 01:30:58,221 --> 01:31:02,555 - God knows where he finds them. Now, a picture with her mother. - He's in Greenwich Village. 1514 01:31:02,658 --> 01:31:05,650 There was a question about the first line of a poem by Emily Dickinson. 1515 01:31:05,761 --> 01:31:09,288 Barry apparently expected he was going to say Ralph Waldo Emerson and get it wrong. 1516 01:31:09,398 --> 01:31:12,390 - Really? I'm very busy now. - Yeah, and I have it on the kinescope, okay? 1517 01:31:12,501 --> 01:31:15,527 - It's clear as day. The man literally did a double take. 1518 01:31:15,638 --> 01:31:19,574 He did a double take. And-And who told you this? Is this Herb again? 1519 01:31:19,675 --> 01:31:23,008 - Or is this the Greenwich Village beatnik? - Oh, that's interesting. 1520 01:31:23,112 --> 01:31:25,876 Why is he a beatnik? Because he's not Charlie Van Doren? 1521 01:31:25,982 --> 01:31:28,542 Yeah, you're damn right. He's not Charlie Van Doren. 1522 01:31:28,651 --> 01:31:31,916 You got crackpots comin' out of the woodwork. You're snoopin' around askin' questions. 1523 01:31:32,021 --> 01:31:35,548 - You don't have a shred of concrete evidence. - Let me tell you somethin'. 1524 01:31:35,658 --> 01:31:40,095 In this envelope are all the questions that James Snodgrass was asked on Twenty-One, okay? 1525 01:31:40,196 --> 01:31:44,257 The odd thing about this envelope is he appeared on the show on January 13, 1526 01:31:44,367 --> 01:31:49,134 yet somehow he mailed this to himself January 11, registered mail. 1527 01:31:49,238 --> 01:31:52,571 I'd say that's pretty goddamn concrete, wouldn't you? 1528 01:31:52,675 --> 01:31:56,111 Look right into the camera. 1529 01:31:56,212 --> 01:31:59,181 I wasn't in there, was I? You didn't see me? 1530 01:31:59,282 --> 01:32:01,443 No, you were out. It's okay. 1531 01:32:16,232 --> 01:32:18,632 Why would he do that? 1532 01:32:18,734 --> 01:32:22,170 How's that trap feel clamped on your leg? 1533 01:32:23,306 --> 01:32:25,831 He sent it to himself registered mail? 1534 01:32:25,941 --> 01:32:30,844 Why should you be the fall guy here when NBC and Geritol are makin' the real money? 1535 01:32:34,016 --> 01:32:36,746 Dick. 1536 01:32:36,852 --> 01:32:40,788 Dan. 1537 01:32:40,890 --> 01:32:44,121 You want me to implicate the network? 1538 01:32:44,226 --> 01:32:46,558 You don't owe them a thing. 1539 01:32:48,397 --> 01:32:51,332 If I even hinted that the network knew, 1540 01:32:51,434 --> 01:32:54,562 and they didn't... know, 1541 01:32:54,670 --> 01:32:58,197 they'd never let me through the door again. 1542 01:32:58,307 --> 01:33:02,368 I got a sneakin' suspicion you're not going through that door anyway. 1543 01:33:05,314 --> 01:33:07,680 Television's my life, Dick. 1544 01:33:07,783 --> 01:33:11,719 It's over. Why don't you go talk to your family? 1545 01:33:16,492 --> 01:33:18,858 I just had a thought. 1546 01:33:20,329 --> 01:33:22,559 Would you be interested in your own panel show? 1547 01:33:26,369 --> 01:33:29,395 Seriously. 1548 01:33:30,639 --> 01:33:32,834 What? 1549 01:33:34,543 --> 01:33:37,376 I'll get back to you on that, Dan. 1550 01:33:54,196 --> 01:33:56,323 - Excuse the robe. - That's all right. 1551 01:33:56,432 --> 01:33:58,332 First decent night's sleep I've had in months. Would you like coffee? 1552 01:33:58,434 --> 01:34:02,598 I thought I'd drop by before I head back to Washington. I got a 10:00 train. 1553 01:34:02,705 --> 01:34:05,139 We're going to announce our hearings later today. 1554 01:34:05,241 --> 01:34:09,075 Oh, really? As I exit the stage, you enter. 1555 01:34:09,178 --> 01:34:11,669 Well, don't forget the world's biggest classroom. 1556 01:34:11,781 --> 01:34:16,081 Oh, that. Well, it's... It's the world's biggest something. 1557 01:34:16,185 --> 01:34:18,312 Uh... 1558 01:34:18,421 --> 01:34:21,584 How do you like it, Dick? You seem like a black coffee man. 1559 01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:23,681 Yeah, black's fine. 1560 01:34:27,096 --> 01:34:29,792 Here we go. 1561 01:34:29,899 --> 01:34:33,926 A toast to... escape. 1562 01:34:37,206 --> 01:34:40,300 "It is the basket in which the heart is caught... 1563 01:34:40,409 --> 01:34:43,776 when down some awful Battlement the rest of Life is dropt." 1564 01:34:43,879 --> 01:34:46,347 King Baudouin. 1565 01:34:46,449 --> 01:34:50,112 Emily Dickinson, actually. 1566 01:34:50,219 --> 01:34:52,517 The one you lost on. 1567 01:34:53,422 --> 01:34:55,356 Oh, that. 1568 01:34:55,458 --> 01:35:00,418 Well, it seems the Belgian Consulate has formally protested my ignorance. 1569 01:35:00,529 --> 01:35:05,762 Up at Cornwall, Charlie, your father said he felt like Leopold, remember? 1570 01:35:05,868 --> 01:35:08,564 You lost on one you knew. Same as Stempel. 1571 01:35:08,671 --> 01:35:11,196 Well, I... I must have had a mental block. 1572 01:35:11,307 --> 01:35:13,207 I was there last night. 1573 01:35:13,309 --> 01:35:17,268 I could swear a smile crept across your face when you lost. 1574 01:35:19,782 --> 01:35:24,185 I wanted to get off the show. You can understand that. 1575 01:35:24,286 --> 01:35:27,915 I feel like I've been holding my breath for 14 weeks. 1576 01:35:29,825 --> 01:35:31,725 Why? What'd you think it was? 1577 01:35:31,827 --> 01:35:37,697 Look, I spoke to the committee, okay? We're going to hold the hearings without you. 1578 01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,667 I am not out to destroy you or your family. 1579 01:35:40,769 --> 01:35:43,260 - You go on and you live your life, and God bless you. - Okay. 1580 01:35:43,372 --> 01:35:47,934 But I wanna know, man to man, did you get the answers? 1581 01:35:48,043 --> 01:35:51,274 - "Man to man"? - Yeah, just between us. 1582 01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:54,247 What is this? Is this still that business with Stempel? 1583 01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:57,012 I mean, Dan says he's not the most reliable fellow. 1584 01:35:57,119 --> 01:36:00,782 There's a problem, Charlie. I found another contestant, a man named James Snodgrass. 1585 01:36:00,890 --> 01:36:03,859 - He says he got the answers too. - Are you sure these people are telling the truth? 1586 01:36:03,959 --> 01:36:07,417 He put the questions in a sealed envelope and sent them to himself, registered mail. 1587 01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:10,294 - That was two days before he appeared on the show. - That doesn't prove anything. 1588 01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:13,197 - You don't have to be a genius to connect the dots. - Don't connect them through me. 1589 01:36:13,302 --> 01:36:15,964 Don't treat me like I'm some member of your goddamned fan club! 1590 01:36:16,071 --> 01:36:18,562 Are you telling me everybody got the answers but you? 1591 01:36:18,674 --> 01:36:21,905 - You're so persistent. I envy that. - Was it just the money? 1592 01:36:22,011 --> 01:36:25,071 You'll forgive me, but anyone that thinks money is ever just money couldn't have much of it. 1593 01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:28,707 You wanna insult me, fine. But you can't envy me at the same time. 1594 01:36:28,817 --> 01:36:33,277 Jesus! If someone offered you all this money to be on some rigged quiz show, 1595 01:36:33,389 --> 01:36:35,357 instant fame, would you do it? 1596 01:36:35,457 --> 01:36:38,893 - No. Of course not. - No, no. 1597 01:36:38,994 --> 01:36:42,794 Throw the whole thing in: Cover of Time; Dave Garroway; 50,000 to read poetry on TV; 1598 01:36:42,898 --> 01:36:45,264 Would you do it? 1599 01:36:45,367 --> 01:36:47,392 No. 1600 01:36:47,503 --> 01:36:49,869 And I would? 1601 01:36:55,711 --> 01:36:58,612 Honestly, Dick. 1602 01:37:02,952 --> 01:37:07,946 All right. Look, do me a favor. Don't embarrass me. 1603 01:37:08,057 --> 01:37:11,356 Keep your mouth shut. Don't say anything. Don't talk to the papers. 1604 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:13,360 Just disappear for two weeks. 1605 01:37:13,462 --> 01:37:15,930 Please, don't make me call you. 1606 01:37:23,072 --> 01:37:26,132 More coffee, Dick? 1607 01:37:26,241 --> 01:37:28,505 Nope. I better go. 1608 01:37:28,611 --> 01:37:31,876 I don't wanna miss my train. 1609 01:37:36,819 --> 01:37:40,152 The subcommittee will be in order. 1610 01:37:40,255 --> 01:37:44,521 The special Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight... 1611 01:37:44,627 --> 01:37:47,391 was created pursuant to Section 136... 1612 01:37:47,496 --> 01:37:51,296 of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946... 1613 01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,267 to conduct a general investigation into the operation... 1614 01:37:54,370 --> 01:37:57,237 of the federal regulatory agencies. 1615 01:37:57,339 --> 01:38:00,638 I'll ask if you were assisted in any way. You answer, "Yes." I'll say, "How?" 1616 01:38:00,743 --> 01:38:03,576 You say, "I was given the questions and answers in advance." 1617 01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:06,842 - Why don't you just sit on my pants? - I'll ask, "Was this done routinely?" 1618 01:38:06,949 --> 01:38:10,282 - You answer, "Yes." - Not that tie. The television tie. 1619 01:38:13,522 --> 01:38:18,084 - We've gone over this five times already. - Just try to relax. 1620 01:38:18,193 --> 01:38:20,491 Be confident. Look at the Chairman directly when you answer. 1621 01:38:20,596 --> 01:38:23,895 Enough! You're worse than Enright! I'm telling the truth. 1622 01:38:23,999 --> 01:38:27,093 If they prefer to be lied to, they can just turn on the television. 1623 01:38:27,202 --> 01:38:31,730 - There's a lot riding on this. - You're telling me there's a lot riding on it, yeah. 1624 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,570 - What do you think, Toby? - What do I think about what? 1625 01:38:34,677 --> 01:38:36,804 Ready to watch your husband give 'em hell? 1626 01:38:36,912 --> 01:38:39,574 - I don't know what you're gonna accomplish. - As soon as Enright realizes... 1627 01:38:39,682 --> 01:38:43,413 What do you want, the two-tone or the oxford? You should wear the oxford. 1628 01:38:43,519 --> 01:38:46,852 When Enright realizes he's alone up there and they're gonna cut him loose, 1629 01:38:46,955 --> 01:38:50,356 he will implicate NBC and Geritol like that, and believe me, you're gonna see somethin'. 1630 01:38:50,459 --> 01:38:54,919 I know what you're gonna accomplish. I just don't know what he's gonna accomplish. 1631 01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:58,431 You wanna know what? If I do nothing else, I will convince them... 1632 01:38:58,534 --> 01:39:02,402 that Herbert Stempel knows what won the goddamned Academy Award... 1633 01:39:02,504 --> 01:39:04,665 for best goddamned picture of 1955. 1634 01:39:04,773 --> 01:39:07,537 - That's what I'm going to accomplish! - I'm sick of all this. 1635 01:39:07,776 --> 01:39:11,769 The subcommittee calls Herbert Stempel. 1636 01:39:22,725 --> 01:39:25,250 So, in other words, you kept on winning. 1637 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:29,296 - Yes, sir, that is correct. - At any time during this championship run, 1638 01:39:29,398 --> 01:39:31,366 were you ever assisted in any way? 1639 01:39:31,467 --> 01:39:34,459 I was given the questions and answers in advance. 1640 01:39:34,570 --> 01:39:37,767 Generally, I would receive the questions and answers on Friday. 1641 01:39:37,873 --> 01:39:40,137 Then we'd have sort of a rehearsal on Monday. 1642 01:39:40,242 --> 01:39:42,836 - This is from the very beginning? - Yes. 1643 01:39:42,945 --> 01:39:46,642 Dan Enright came to see me in my kitchen and he said, 1644 01:39:46,749 --> 01:39:51,482 "How'd you like to make $25,000?" And I said, "Who wouldn't?" 1645 01:39:51,587 --> 01:39:53,384 What do you mean by rehearsal? 1646 01:39:53,489 --> 01:39:57,755 Well, for example, he told me how to breathe heavily into the microphone... 1647 01:39:57,860 --> 01:40:00,693 and sigh such as this. 1648 01:40:03,966 --> 01:40:07,402 He taught me how to stutter and say in a plaintive voice, 1649 01:40:07,503 --> 01:40:11,371 "I will take, uh, n-nine... uh, nine points." 1650 01:40:11,473 --> 01:40:16,069 - It was all choreographed. - How to bite my lip. How to mop my brow. 1651 01:40:16,178 --> 01:40:20,945 He told me specifically not to smear my brow, but rather to pat for optimum effect. 1652 01:40:21,049 --> 01:40:23,984 Of course, I'm shvitzing the whole time because they turned off the air conditioning. 1653 01:40:24,086 --> 01:40:26,384 Excuse me? 1654 01:40:28,190 --> 01:40:32,058 - That's funny. - Mr. Chairman. 1655 01:40:32,161 --> 01:40:36,723 With your permission, we might at this point, view a portion of the program, Twenty-One. 1656 01:40:36,832 --> 01:40:39,164 Whenever you're ready. 1657 01:40:47,776 --> 01:40:51,769 Herb Stempel, with your $69,500 still at stake... 1658 01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,941 although now at $2,500 a point... the category is... 1659 01:40:56,051 --> 01:40:58,315 newspapers. 1660 01:40:58,420 --> 01:41:00,854 How many points you wanna try for? 1661 01:41:00,956 --> 01:41:04,050 There! There's the lip biting. 1662 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,457 Yes, we see. 1663 01:41:06,562 --> 01:41:09,725 Finally, I was told to open my eyes... 1664 01:41:09,832 --> 01:41:14,929 and with a dazzling smile, give the answer and explode when Jack Barry says, "That is right." 1665 01:41:15,037 --> 01:41:17,403 The Emporia Gazette? 1666 01:41:17,506 --> 01:41:21,374 That is right! 1667 01:41:21,476 --> 01:41:26,209 I don't know where he got it all. Some article on mass psychology he read in Esquire. 1668 01:41:30,986 --> 01:41:33,887 - I'll try eight points. - Watch Van Doren. 1669 01:41:33,989 --> 01:41:38,050 - He's better at it than I am. - Mr. Stempel, if I might refer you... 1670 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,926 - Are you suggesting that Charles Van Doren was also coached? - Of course he got the answers. 1671 01:41:42,030 --> 01:41:44,328 Why would they give me the answers and not give him the answers? 1672 01:41:44,433 --> 01:41:48,164 Why would they make me take a dive unless they knew the other guy would get to 21? 1673 01:41:48,270 --> 01:41:51,728 It's illogical. You don't fix one guy without fixing the other guy. 1674 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,775 It's implausible, mathematically. 1675 01:41:54,877 --> 01:41:58,745 It would be, and you have eight points. 1676 01:41:58,847 --> 01:42:03,341 You see? Look at him. You see with the brow? Patting, not smearing. 1677 01:42:03,452 --> 01:42:08,754 Mr. Stempel, have you ever received any psychiatric treatment of any kind? 1678 01:42:08,857 --> 01:42:10,848 What? 1679 01:42:10,959 --> 01:42:15,123 - Uh, Mr. Stempel, I was wondering... - Mr. Goodwin, please. 1680 01:42:15,230 --> 01:42:19,189 Five sessions a week. That's pretty extensive, isn't it? 1681 01:42:19,301 --> 01:42:23,294 Well, I believe we can all use a little help at various times in our lives. 1682 01:42:23,405 --> 01:42:25,896 Is it possible that any of your testimony is motivated... 1683 01:42:26,008 --> 01:42:29,944 by an irrational animosity toward Mr. Enright? 1684 01:42:30,045 --> 01:42:33,344 I-I-I don't know. If a man doesn't live up to his agreement... 1685 01:42:33,448 --> 01:42:36,042 A morbid fixation on Mr. Van Doren? 1686 01:42:36,151 --> 01:42:39,052 If a man promises certain things just to shut me up... 1687 01:42:39,154 --> 01:42:42,885 "How'd you like to make $25,000?" And you said, "Well, who wouldn't?" 1688 01:42:42,991 --> 01:42:46,825 In retrospect, look at Van Doren. I should've held out for a lot more. 1689 01:42:46,929 --> 01:42:50,160 You prostituted your intellectual ability for money. 1690 01:42:50,265 --> 01:42:52,563 That's the difference between me and Van Doren. 1691 01:42:52,668 --> 01:42:54,636 I admit it. I have my morality. 1692 01:42:54,736 --> 01:42:58,968 Charles Van Doren is a professor at Columbia University. 1693 01:42:59,074 --> 01:43:02,009 A Master's degree in astrophysics. 1694 01:43:02,110 --> 01:43:04,635 A Ph.D. in literature. 1695 01:43:04,746 --> 01:43:10,582 Hails from one of the most prominent intellectual families in this country. 1696 01:43:10,686 --> 01:43:13,211 Isn't it just possible, Mr. Stempel, 1697 01:43:13,322 --> 01:43:16,849 that you got the answers and he didn't? 1698 01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:28,092 So I told my husband, "We really need a vacation." 1699 01:43:28,170 --> 01:43:30,832 My husband says, "What are you gonna do with the cat?" 1700 01:43:30,939 --> 01:43:33,203 - Uh-huh. - And I said, "I don't know." 1701 01:43:33,308 --> 01:43:35,276 Good morning. 1702 01:43:35,377 --> 01:43:38,005 Will you excuse us? 1703 01:43:40,615 --> 01:43:43,175 Charlie, I'm Bob Kintner. 1704 01:43:43,285 --> 01:43:45,185 - Oh. - Don't get up. 1705 01:43:45,287 --> 01:43:47,881 - It's about time we met. - Hi. It's a pleasure. 1706 01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:50,686 - This whole... quiz show mess, - Uh-huh. 1707 01:43:50,792 --> 01:43:54,626 - and hearings and all that. - I've been following that in the paper. 1708 01:43:54,730 --> 01:43:59,133 Well, our legal department has prepared this for you. 1709 01:44:07,743 --> 01:44:11,372 We'd like you to hold a press conference. 1710 01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:14,643 Oh, there's a split infinitive here in the second paragraph. 1711 01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:18,880 Shall I schedule it? 1712 01:44:20,489 --> 01:44:22,389 Well, look, um... 1713 01:44:22,491 --> 01:44:26,325 I haven't been subpoenaed, and I can't think of anything that'd sound guiltier... 1714 01:44:26,428 --> 01:44:30,558 than a man who hasn't been accused of anything protesting his innocence. 1715 01:44:33,135 --> 01:44:38,300 Charlie, speculation in our society has a way of becoming fact. 1716 01:44:41,243 --> 01:44:44,371 Television is a public trust. 1717 01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:49,610 We can't afford even a hint of a scandal in our company. 1718 01:44:51,987 --> 01:44:54,478 Well, I... I'd rather not do it. 1719 01:44:54,589 --> 01:44:56,523 I'm sorry. 1720 01:44:58,593 --> 01:45:00,857 Haven't we been good to you? 1721 01:45:02,497 --> 01:45:06,297 Haven't we treated you like part of our family? 1722 01:45:08,303 --> 01:45:11,704 We have great expectations for you, Charlie. 1723 01:45:13,608 --> 01:45:16,441 I know you're gonna do the right thing. 1724 01:45:39,768 --> 01:45:43,135 - I'm sorry, Mr. Van Doren. - Is he in? 1725 01:45:43,238 --> 01:45:45,536 - He's gone, Mr. Van Doren. - He's gone to Washington? 1726 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,336 Mr. Freedman's gone to Mexico. 1727 01:45:54,282 --> 01:45:58,241 I still don't understand how you can hold a quiz show hearing without Van Doren. 1728 01:45:58,353 --> 01:46:01,151 Van Doren had no contact with NBC or Geritol. 1729 01:46:01,256 --> 01:46:04,885 Don't you understand, they deal with Enright. Enright's the key here. 1730 01:46:04,993 --> 01:46:08,724 The key to what? The jury hears the public. The public doesn't know Dan Enright. 1731 01:46:08,830 --> 01:46:12,630 The purpose is not to reform the souls of the contestants. The purpose is to reform TV. 1732 01:46:12,734 --> 01:46:15,225 - It's like the Barenblatt and the Sweezey cases. - You don't wanna call him. 1733 01:46:15,337 --> 01:46:17,771 Fine, Dick. Just don't patronize me with your legal bullshit. 1734 01:46:17,873 --> 01:46:21,741 - She's got a point, Dick. - Bob, maybe it's time for you to go home. 1735 01:46:21,843 --> 01:46:23,936 How'd you like Dick's steak done, Bob? Medium? 1736 01:46:24,045 --> 01:46:27,640 - There's absolutely no need to drag the man into the spotlight. - You dragged Herb Stempel in. 1737 01:46:27,749 --> 01:46:31,276 The man has to be dragged from the spotlight with his teethmarks still on it. 1738 01:46:31,386 --> 01:46:34,753 Yeah, well, nobody forced Charles Van Doren to go in front of 50 million people either. 1739 01:46:34,856 --> 01:46:38,189 This is not McCarthyism. We are not here to expose for the sake of exposing. 1740 01:46:38,293 --> 01:46:41,456 - This is not the point! - That is the point! That is not your point! 1741 01:46:41,563 --> 01:46:44,999 You are ten times the man Charles Van Doren is. 1742 01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:48,592 Ten times the brain and ten times the human being. 1743 01:46:48,703 --> 01:46:51,331 Meanwhile, you're bending over backwards for him. 1744 01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:55,000 You are like the Uncle Tom of the Jews. 1745 01:46:55,110 --> 01:47:00,207 I'm glad it's so easy for you to destroy a man's life. I'll have to keep that in mind. 1746 01:47:00,315 --> 01:47:02,340 Bob, sit down. 1747 01:47:04,319 --> 01:47:08,085 The quiz show hearings without Van Doren is like doing Hamlet without Hamlet. 1748 01:47:12,827 --> 01:47:16,627 The Chairman's instructions are for me to get you up there as promptly as possible. 1749 01:47:16,698 --> 01:47:18,757 The questions are to take no longer than 15 minutes. 1750 01:47:18,867 --> 01:47:21,427 You're to receive the questions in advance, 1751 01:47:21,536 --> 01:47:25,438 and I'm to thank you for the courtesy of attending this hearing. 1752 01:47:27,509 --> 01:47:30,501 Mercy. What a grueling line of inquiry. 1753 01:47:30,612 --> 01:47:34,742 Must have a familiar ring, the questions in advance. 1754 01:47:37,519 --> 01:47:40,283 Would you excuse us for a moment, please? 1755 01:47:43,225 --> 01:47:45,523 Take this, please. Thank you. 1756 01:47:48,763 --> 01:47:50,993 Young man... 1757 01:47:51,099 --> 01:47:54,364 The ratings went up if the same contestant came back week after week. 1758 01:47:54,469 --> 01:47:57,597 There was only one way for that to happen. You had to know that. 1759 01:47:57,706 --> 01:48:01,904 Young man, I sell over $14 million a year worth of Geritol. 1760 01:48:02,010 --> 01:48:05,002 Geritol. That's the kind of businessman I am. 1761 01:48:05,113 --> 01:48:08,446 That show, Twenty-One, cost me three and a half million year in, year out. 1762 01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:13,544 Sales went up 50% when Van Doren was on. Fifty percent. 1763 01:48:13,655 --> 01:48:18,854 So the very idea that I was unaware of every detail of that show's operation, 1764 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,985 frankly, it's very insulting. 1765 01:48:21,096 --> 01:48:22,996 - So you knew. - That's even more insulting. 1766 01:48:23,098 --> 01:48:25,760 - You had to know... - It's not about what I know. It's about what you know. 1767 01:48:25,867 --> 01:48:29,359 - You don't know what I know. - You know that Dan Enright ran a crooked quiz show. 1768 01:48:29,471 --> 01:48:31,996 He never informed you? 1769 01:48:32,107 --> 01:48:34,041 Did he? 1770 01:48:34,142 --> 01:48:36,076 Let's see what he says. 1771 01:48:36,177 --> 01:48:41,444 Dan? Look, Dan Enright wants a future in television, okay? 1772 01:48:41,549 --> 01:48:44,643 You have to understand that the public has a very short memory. 1773 01:48:44,753 --> 01:48:46,846 But corporations, they never forget. 1774 01:48:46,955 --> 01:48:49,515 He's not that stupid. He knows he's through. 1775 01:48:49,624 --> 01:48:53,788 No. Oh, he'll be back. NBC is gonna go on. Geritol's gonna go on. 1776 01:48:53,895 --> 01:48:56,864 Makes me wonder what you hope to accomplish with all this. 1777 01:48:56,965 --> 01:48:58,830 Don't worry. I'm just gettin' started. 1778 01:48:58,933 --> 01:49:02,027 Even the quiz shows'll be back. Why fix them? 1779 01:49:02,137 --> 01:49:06,073 Think about it. You could do exactly the same thing by just making the questions easier. 1780 01:49:06,174 --> 01:49:10,770 The audience didn't tune in to watch some amazing display of intellectual ability. 1781 01:49:12,614 --> 01:49:16,311 They just wanted to watch the money. 1782 01:49:16,418 --> 01:49:19,046 Imagine if they could watch you. 1783 01:49:22,057 --> 01:49:26,357 You're a bright young kid with a bright future. Watch yourself out there. 1784 01:49:26,461 --> 01:49:29,225 I turned in my clubs after that day. 1785 01:49:29,331 --> 01:49:32,858 Well, you weren't too good when you were out on the links with me that day. 1786 01:49:32,967 --> 01:49:35,765 I can't wait to get you out there again. 1787 01:49:35,870 --> 01:49:38,566 - Stuck in that sand trap for an hour. - No more for me. 1788 01:49:38,673 --> 01:49:41,904 Would you state your name and profession? 1789 01:49:42,010 --> 01:49:46,777 My name is Robert Kintner. I'm the president of the National Broadcasting Company. 1790 01:49:46,881 --> 01:49:50,214 My name is Martin Rittenhome. I run Pharmaceuticals lncorporated. 1791 01:49:50,318 --> 01:49:53,048 I take that responsibility very seriously, Congressman. 1792 01:49:53,154 --> 01:49:55,645 We immediately commenced our own internal investigation. 1793 01:49:55,757 --> 01:49:59,318 To ferret out this corruption wherever it may exist. 1794 01:49:59,427 --> 01:50:01,827 Nobody brought the article in Time Magazine to your attention? 1795 01:50:01,930 --> 01:50:03,989 I was in Europe. I didn't see it. 1796 01:50:04,099 --> 01:50:06,158 You didn't see it. You were travelling. 1797 01:50:06,267 --> 01:50:08,167 I didn't see it. I was travelling at the time. 1798 01:50:08,269 --> 01:50:12,296 You sure you never asked about particular contestants or about the ratings, nothing? 1799 01:50:12,407 --> 01:50:16,673 - That was their department. - I relied on the excellent reputation of Dan Enright. 1800 01:50:16,778 --> 01:50:19,508 Dan Enright was more in the nature of an independent contractor. 1801 01:50:19,614 --> 01:50:22,082 Do you remember what you thought when you found out? 1802 01:50:22,183 --> 01:50:25,243 I was as shocked as you are. I mean, this was a terrible thing to do to the American people. 1803 01:50:25,353 --> 01:50:27,617 I never, never imagined... 1804 01:50:27,722 --> 01:50:31,180 they could perpetrate this fraud on the American public. 1805 01:50:31,292 --> 01:50:35,456 I'd like to say one other thing. I think all that money should be returned. 1806 01:50:35,563 --> 01:50:38,930 Mr. Goodwin, any further questions? 1807 01:50:40,635 --> 01:50:43,934 No, sir, thank you. No further questions. 1808 01:50:48,109 --> 01:50:52,011 On behalf of the subcommittee, I wish to thank you for your appearance... 1809 01:50:52,113 --> 01:50:54,707 and your testimony here. 1810 01:51:04,659 --> 01:51:06,889 Van Doren's made a statement. 1811 01:51:06,995 --> 01:51:11,227 I look like the mark in a shell game here, and you look like the shill. 1812 01:51:11,332 --> 01:51:13,357 - Sir, if you... - Shut up! 1813 01:51:13,468 --> 01:51:17,529 - When is Van Doren coming here? I don't see him on the schedule. - He's not on the schedule. 1814 01:51:17,639 --> 01:51:19,903 Wait a minute. We discussed this. The contestants are not the villains. 1815 01:51:20,008 --> 01:51:22,238 We were gonna only bring in the ones who would come in voluntarily. 1816 01:51:22,343 --> 01:51:26,473 All I know is in the last hour, I've gotten over 200 telegrams from people askin' me... 1817 01:51:26,581 --> 01:51:29,482 why I won't let poor Charles Van Doren defend himself. 1818 01:51:29,584 --> 01:51:32,917 I've got every woman in Arkadelphia squealin' like a pig under a gate. 1819 01:51:33,021 --> 01:51:36,513 - Let me tell you somethin'. These women vote. - I cannot believe this. 1820 01:51:36,624 --> 01:51:39,491 - Where is Freedman? - The marshals are bringing him back from Mexico. 1821 01:51:39,594 --> 01:51:41,255 By what? By mule? 1822 01:51:41,362 --> 01:51:44,092 Sir, please, just tell me what it is that he said. 1823 01:51:44,199 --> 01:51:48,533 "Mr. Van Doren made himself available to the subcommittee staff. 1824 01:51:48,636 --> 01:51:53,938 He has advised them at no time was he supplied with any questions, answers..." 1825 01:52:18,333 --> 01:52:20,824 That statement of yours took me a bit by surprise. 1826 01:52:20,935 --> 01:52:22,903 I know. I know. We had a deal. 1827 01:52:23,004 --> 01:52:26,371 I asked myself, "Why would he make a statement like that? 1828 01:52:26,474 --> 01:52:29,841 He knows I'll come after him." 1829 01:52:29,944 --> 01:52:32,606 But then it occurred to me: 1830 01:52:32,714 --> 01:52:35,615 He knows I'll come after him. 1831 01:52:37,952 --> 01:52:42,048 I can't decide if you think too much of me or too little. 1832 01:52:42,156 --> 01:52:45,489 Charlie, I wanna think the best of you. 1833 01:52:45,593 --> 01:52:48,221 Everyone does. 1834 01:52:48,329 --> 01:52:51,059 That's your curse. 1835 01:52:51,165 --> 01:52:55,033 - Did you bring a subpoena? - Right here. 1836 01:52:57,872 --> 01:52:59,772 Well? 1837 01:53:02,377 --> 01:53:07,371 I remember five, six years ago, my Uncle Harold told my aunt about this affair he had. 1838 01:53:07,482 --> 01:53:11,714 - It was a sort of mildly upsetting event in my family. - Mm-hmm. Mildly? 1839 01:53:11,819 --> 01:53:16,518 You have to put it in context. The thing of it is, the affair was over like eight years. 1840 01:53:16,624 --> 01:53:20,993 So, I remember askin' him, "Why'd you tell her? You got away with it." 1841 01:53:21,095 --> 01:53:24,189 I'll never forget what he said. 1842 01:53:24,299 --> 01:53:28,429 It was the "getting away with it" part he couldn't live with. 1843 01:53:30,371 --> 01:53:33,340 I might take that chance. 1844 01:53:37,078 --> 01:53:40,411 A chance is what I'm givin' ya. 1845 01:53:43,217 --> 01:53:45,879 - Don Quixote is life. - I still don't see... 1846 01:53:45,987 --> 01:53:50,686 how this old guy with a horse and a fat old sidekick can think he's a knight. 1847 01:53:50,792 --> 01:53:53,420 It means if you wanna be a knight, act like a knight. 1848 01:53:53,528 --> 01:53:55,257 Okay. 1849 01:53:55,363 --> 01:53:58,264 Act like a knight? You act like a knight. 1850 01:53:58,366 --> 01:54:00,630 I am a knight. 1851 01:54:00,735 --> 01:54:05,229 - I shall miss them. - What is this? That retirement business again? 1852 01:54:05,340 --> 01:54:08,241 That'd be like a snail retiring from his shell. 1853 01:54:08,343 --> 01:54:13,076 I can't go on doing this forever. It's for you now, Charlie. 1854 01:54:13,181 --> 01:54:18,175 - So, what's the news? Did you read Norman Mailer in Dissent? - I only glanced at it. 1855 01:54:18,286 --> 01:54:22,450 Everyone's talking about it. They don't know whether he's a genius or a fool. 1856 01:54:22,557 --> 01:54:25,583 Have you heard there's this congressional committee that's, um... 1857 01:54:25,693 --> 01:54:27,718 Well, they're investigating the quiz shows. 1858 01:54:27,829 --> 01:54:29,729 I read that. What's it about? 1859 01:54:29,831 --> 01:54:34,996 Well, evidently, certain of the contestants were given the answers in advance. 1860 01:54:35,103 --> 01:54:39,164 Cheating on a quiz show. That's like plagiarizing a comic strip. 1861 01:54:39,273 --> 01:54:43,369 Well, at any rate, it seems the committee wants to call me to, to testify. 1862 01:54:43,478 --> 01:54:47,073 Oh, I've testified before. Funding for the arts. It's nothing. 1863 01:54:47,181 --> 01:54:51,083 - I think this is a little different. - You'll run circles round them. 1864 01:54:51,185 --> 01:54:53,779 It's not exactly Jefferson and Lincoln down there anymore. 1865 01:54:53,888 --> 01:54:56,083 I think this is a little different. 1866 01:54:56,190 --> 01:54:58,283 I'd think you'd be glad at a chance to clear your name. 1867 01:54:58,393 --> 01:55:00,293 Otherwise, people might believe... 1868 01:55:00,395 --> 01:55:03,592 People will believe whatever they want to believe. That's not the issue. 1869 01:55:03,698 --> 01:55:06,633 Just tell 'em the truth. You'll do fine. 1870 01:55:06,734 --> 01:55:10,602 The real issue, Charlie, is how this keeps distracting you from your teaching. 1871 01:55:10,705 --> 01:55:13,902 This and that program in the morning, though you insist that it doesn't. 1872 01:55:14,008 --> 01:55:16,977 Dad, I can't simply just tell 'em the truth. 1873 01:55:19,747 --> 01:55:22,215 Can't tell them the truth? 1874 01:55:22,316 --> 01:55:24,784 Why on earth not? 1875 01:55:24,886 --> 01:55:27,719 It's, it's complicated. 1876 01:55:27,822 --> 01:55:29,813 Complicated? 1877 01:55:29,924 --> 01:55:33,416 Yeah, I can't. I ca... 1878 01:55:33,528 --> 01:55:36,691 Charlie, from what I understand, it's just this bunch of frauds... 1879 01:55:36,798 --> 01:55:39,767 showing off an erudition they didn't really have. 1880 01:55:39,867 --> 01:55:42,335 - All you have to do... - The problem is... 1881 01:55:42,437 --> 01:55:45,270 is it seems I was one of those frauds. 1882 01:55:47,008 --> 01:55:48,908 What? 1883 01:55:57,719 --> 01:56:00,119 What... What do you mean? 1884 01:56:00,221 --> 01:56:02,781 They gave me the answers. 1885 01:56:04,258 --> 01:56:07,159 They gave you the answers. 1886 01:56:07,261 --> 01:56:09,957 They gave you the answers! 1887 01:56:10,064 --> 01:56:12,055 Well... No, no. 1888 01:56:12,166 --> 01:56:15,829 At first, they asked me questions they already knew I knew the answers to. 1889 01:56:15,937 --> 01:56:19,031 We ran through those, and I still didn't want them to give me the answers, 1890 01:56:19,140 --> 01:56:22,109 so I had them give me questions and I'd go look up the answers, 1891 01:56:22,210 --> 01:56:24,110 as if that were any different. 1892 01:56:24,212 --> 01:56:26,305 We ran through those in a couple of weeks. 1893 01:56:26,414 --> 01:56:29,110 Then I just didn't have the time. Finally, it just seemed silly. 1894 01:56:29,217 --> 01:56:33,278 They gave you all that money to answer questions they knew you knew? 1895 01:56:33,387 --> 01:56:35,947 - Now, that's inflation! - You're not being very helpful. 1896 01:56:36,057 --> 01:56:40,050 I'm sorry, Charlie. I'm an old man. It's all a little difficult for me to comprehend. 1897 01:56:40,161 --> 01:56:42,823 It's television, Dad! It's, it's just television. 1898 01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:44,625 You make it sound like you didn't have a choice. 1899 01:56:44,732 --> 01:56:47,667 What was I supposed to do at that point? Disillusion the whole goddamn country? 1900 01:56:47,769 --> 01:56:50,431 - You took the money! - Yes, I know! I took the money. 1901 01:56:50,538 --> 01:56:54,634 - Is that what this was about? - No. No. I don't know. 1902 01:56:54,742 --> 01:56:57,870 It was a goddamned quiz show, Charlie. 1903 01:56:57,979 --> 01:57:01,142 - "An ill-favored thing, sir. - This is not the time to play games. 1904 01:57:01,249 --> 01:57:05,811 - But mine own." It was mine. - Your name is mine. 1905 01:57:20,902 --> 01:57:23,632 Charlie. 1906 01:57:29,277 --> 01:57:31,370 I'm sorry. 1907 01:57:32,647 --> 01:57:35,138 I'm really sorry, Dad. 1908 01:57:36,450 --> 01:57:38,680 You'll be, um... 1909 01:57:39,787 --> 01:57:43,780 dragged into all this, you and Mother. 1910 01:57:45,359 --> 01:57:48,487 Oh, my God, Charlie. 1911 01:57:48,596 --> 01:57:52,259 How are you gonna tell that committee? 1912 01:57:55,002 --> 01:57:57,061 Will you come down there with me? 1913 01:58:01,509 --> 01:58:05,001 The, uh, subcommittee calls Charles Van Doren. 1914 01:58:26,601 --> 01:58:32,369 Photographers will please clear the room. 1915 01:58:32,473 --> 01:58:36,341 - Will you please state your name? - Charles Van Doren. 1916 01:58:36,444 --> 01:58:41,313 - I've gotta get in there. I've gotta get in there. - Excuse me, sir. 1917 01:58:41,415 --> 01:58:44,179 Wait a minute! Hey, you, come back here! 1918 01:58:44,285 --> 01:58:47,448 Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, 1919 01:58:47,555 --> 01:58:50,888 - the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? - I do. 1920 01:58:58,432 --> 01:59:01,265 Now, we are advised that you have... 1921 01:59:01,369 --> 01:59:05,169 a prepared statement that you would prefer to give at the outset? 1922 01:59:05,273 --> 01:59:09,141 - Yes, sir. Might I first have a glass of water? - Of course you may. 1923 01:59:20,354 --> 01:59:22,515 You may proceed. 1924 01:59:32,433 --> 01:59:38,201 I would give almost anything I have to reverse the course of my life in the last year. 1925 01:59:40,207 --> 01:59:43,938 The past doesn't change for anyone. 1926 01:59:44,045 --> 01:59:47,014 But at least I can learn from the past. 1927 01:59:48,416 --> 01:59:51,613 I've learned a lot about life. 1928 01:59:51,719 --> 01:59:54,051 I've learned a lot about myself... 1929 01:59:55,623 --> 01:59:59,559 and about the responsibilities any man has to his fellow men. 1930 02:00:01,462 --> 02:00:05,728 I've learned a lot about good and evil. They're not always what they appear to be. 1931 02:00:09,904 --> 02:00:12,372 I was involved, 1932 02:00:13,441 --> 02:00:16,535 deeply involved, in a deception. 1933 02:00:18,045 --> 02:00:20,240 I have deceived my friends. 1934 02:00:22,116 --> 02:00:25,415 And I had millions of them. 1935 02:00:31,726 --> 02:00:34,718 I lied to the American people. 1936 02:00:36,430 --> 02:00:41,925 I lied about what I knew, and then I lied about what I did not know. 1937 02:00:45,373 --> 02:00:50,310 In a sense, I was like a child who refuses to admit a fact in the hope that it'll go away. 1938 02:00:52,079 --> 02:00:55,071 Of course it did not go away. 1939 02:00:56,417 --> 02:00:58,351 I was scared, 1940 02:00:58,452 --> 02:01:01,080 scared to death. 1941 02:01:01,188 --> 02:01:04,021 I had no solid position. 1942 02:01:04,125 --> 02:01:07,720 No basis to stand on for myself. 1943 02:01:07,828 --> 02:01:12,959 There was one way out and that was... simply to tell the truth. 1944 02:01:17,638 --> 02:01:22,337 It may sound trite to you, but I've found myself again after a number of years. 1945 02:01:24,211 --> 02:01:27,180 I've been acting a role, 1946 02:01:29,250 --> 02:01:32,048 maybe all my life, of thinking I've done more, 1947 02:01:33,287 --> 02:01:36,688 accomplished more, produced more than I have. 1948 02:01:38,759 --> 02:01:41,819 I have had all the breaks. 1949 02:01:44,932 --> 02:01:50,666 I have stood on the shoulders of life, and I've never gotten down into the dirt to build, 1950 02:01:50,771 --> 02:01:53,740 to erect a foundation of my own. 1951 02:01:55,743 --> 02:01:58,871 I have flown too high on borrowed wings. 1952 02:02:02,416 --> 02:02:05,249 Everything came too easy. 1953 02:02:07,321 --> 02:02:10,222 That is why I am here today. 1954 02:02:17,865 --> 02:02:19,992 Mr. Van Doren, 1955 02:02:21,469 --> 02:02:24,597 I want to compliment you for that statement. 1956 02:02:26,340 --> 02:02:28,240 Thank you, sir. 1957 02:02:28,342 --> 02:02:32,176 Uh, Mr. Van Doren, I would like to join the Chairman in commending you... 1958 02:02:32,279 --> 02:02:37,740 for the soul-searching fortitude displayed in your statement. 1959 02:02:37,852 --> 02:02:40,753 - Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. - Mr. Van Doren, 1960 02:02:40,855 --> 02:02:43,289 I just wanna add my kudos. 1961 02:02:43,390 --> 02:02:47,190 I have listened to many witnesses, in both civil... 1962 02:02:47,294 --> 02:02:49,387 and criminal matters, 1963 02:02:49,497 --> 02:02:54,901 and yours is the most soul-searching confession I think I've heard in a long time. 1964 02:02:55,002 --> 02:02:57,027 Thank you, sir. 1965 02:02:57,138 --> 02:02:59,436 Mr. Van Doren, 1966 02:02:59,540 --> 02:03:03,806 I'm also from New York; A different part of New York. 1967 02:03:03,911 --> 02:03:09,144 I'm happy that you've made the statement, but I cannot agree with most of my colleagues. 1968 02:03:09,250 --> 02:03:13,619 You see, I don't think an adult of your intelligence ought to be commended... 1969 02:03:13,721 --> 02:03:16,952 for simply at long last telling the truth. 1970 02:03:50,424 --> 02:03:55,293 If the committee has nothing to add, Mr. Van Doren, you are dismissed. 1971 02:04:03,871 --> 02:04:06,271 Charlie! Over here! 1972 02:04:18,319 --> 02:04:20,116 Let him out, boys. 1973 02:04:28,195 --> 02:04:31,358 - The subcommittee will come to order. 1974 02:04:31,465 --> 02:04:36,698 Our next witness will be Mr. Daniel Enright. 1975 02:04:44,745 --> 02:04:48,511 - Charles, you're gonna have to answer some questions. - Okay, one at a time. 1976 02:04:48,616 --> 02:04:51,380 - How do you feel, Charlie? - Relieved. 1977 02:04:51,485 --> 02:04:54,045 ...the truth, the whole truth and nothin' but the truth, so help you God? 1978 02:04:54,154 --> 02:04:56,247 - I do. - Who helped you write that statement? 1979 02:04:56,357 --> 02:05:01,021 - Did you know you'd been fired by NBC? - No, I didn't know. 1980 02:05:01,128 --> 02:05:04,689 - What do you have to say to the young people? - Are you proud of your son? 1981 02:05:04,798 --> 02:05:07,995 - I've always been proud of Charlie. - Proud of what he did? 1982 02:05:08,102 --> 02:05:11,367 The most important thing now is for Charlie to get back to his teaching. 1983 02:05:11,472 --> 02:05:16,000 Did you know Columbia trustees are meeting right now? 1984 02:05:16,110 --> 02:05:19,136 They're going to ask for Charlie's resignation. 1985 02:05:19,246 --> 02:05:23,706 Professor Van Doren, you spent your whole career at Columbia. What's your reaction to that? 1986 02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:27,019 Prof. Van Doren? 1987 02:05:30,624 --> 02:05:32,854 Dad, go ahead with Mother. I'll meet you outside. 1988 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:37,397 - No reaction. Charles, a few more questions. 1989 02:05:37,831 --> 02:05:41,289 Did the network or sponsor bring pressure on you... 1990 02:05:41,368 --> 02:05:44,269 to bring the same contestant back week after week? 1991 02:05:44,371 --> 02:05:46,464 No, sir. 1992 02:05:46,573 --> 02:05:50,703 Did they express any approval or disapproval of any particular contestant? 1993 02:05:50,811 --> 02:05:52,802 Never. Not to me. 1994 02:05:52,913 --> 02:05:57,941 Were they aware that you were supplying the contestants with the answers? 1995 02:05:59,386 --> 02:06:03,254 No, sir. They had no knowledge whatsoever. 1996 02:06:03,357 --> 02:06:07,726 Herb Stempel. Herbie, how 'bout a picture, you and Van Doren together? 1997 02:06:07,828 --> 02:06:11,320 - No. Not now. Christ, look at the guy. - Come on, the both of you. 1998 02:06:11,432 --> 02:06:13,400 You know what the problem with you bums is? 1999 02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:15,968 You never leave a guy alone unless you're leaving him alone. 2000 02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:18,595 - Who do you blame, Charlie? - Professor, one more shot. 2001 02:06:18,706 --> 02:06:21,231 Did you feel the committee treated you fairly? 2002 02:06:21,342 --> 02:06:23,606 How'd the pressure up there compare to Twenty-One? 2003 02:06:23,711 --> 02:06:27,647 So you freely admit that you helped rig these shows? 2004 02:06:27,748 --> 02:06:30,342 - What else could we do? - Congratulations. 2005 02:06:30,451 --> 02:06:33,147 - For what? - Van Doren. 2006 02:06:33,253 --> 02:06:36,745 I thought we were gonna get television. 2007 02:06:36,857 --> 02:06:41,089 The truth is... television is gonna get us. 2008 02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:46,864 And you obviously don't think you did anything wrong. 2009 02:06:46,967 --> 02:06:50,926 Yes, we did one thing wrong. We were too successful. 2010 02:06:51,038 --> 02:06:52,972 You were too successful. 2011 02:06:53,073 --> 02:06:56,440 Those advertising dollars came from somewhere. 2012 02:06:56,543 --> 02:07:00,104 Why do you think the newspapers and magazines are making such a big thing about this? 2013 02:07:00,214 --> 02:07:02,614 Mr. Enright, 2014 02:07:02,716 --> 02:07:05,549 you make it sound like you are the victim here. 2015 02:07:05,652 --> 02:07:08,246 The sponsor makes out, the network makes out, 2016 02:07:08,355 --> 02:07:13,452 the contestants see money they would never see in a lifetime and the public is entertained. 2017 02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:16,757 So who gets hurt? 2018 02:07:23,237 --> 02:07:25,467 Mr. Freedman, 2019 02:07:25,572 --> 02:07:29,975 you freely admit that you helped rig these shows? 2020 02:07:30,077 --> 02:07:34,776 - Yes, sir. - Yes, sir? That's it? 2021 02:07:34,882 --> 02:07:37,646 Well, sir, I don't know what else to say. 2022 02:07:37,751 --> 02:07:41,949 Give the public what they want. It's like your business. 2023 02:07:42,055 --> 02:07:47,152 Do you see a need for government regulation in this area? 2024 02:07:47,261 --> 02:07:50,560 You know, it's not like the quiz shows are a public utility, sir. 2025 02:07:50,664 --> 02:07:52,825 It's entertainment. 2026 02:07:52,933 --> 02:07:55,367 We're not exactly hardened criminals here. 2027 02:07:55,469 --> 02:07:58,495 We're, we're in show business. 2028 02:08:42,378 --> 02:08:44,243 # See the shark with 2029 02:08:46,048 --> 02:08:49,677 Teeth like razors 2030 02:08:49,785 --> 02:08:53,346 You can read his 2031 02:08:53,456 --> 02:08:57,119 Open face 2032 02:08:57,226 --> 02:08:59,194 And Macheath 2033 02:08:59,295 --> 02:09:03,322 He's got a knife, but 2034 02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:07,933 Not in such 2035 02:09:08,037 --> 02:09:11,666 An obvious place 2036 02:09:11,774 --> 02:09:15,574 On a beautiful 2037 02:09:15,678 --> 02:09:19,170 Blue Sunday 2038 02:09:19,281 --> 02:09:21,841 See the corpse 2039 02:09:21,951 --> 02:09:26,149 Stretched in the Strand 2040 02:09:26,255 --> 02:09:30,191 See a man dodge 2041 02:09:30,292 --> 02:09:33,591 Round the corner 2042 02:09:33,696 --> 02:09:37,132 Mackie's friends will 2043 02:09:37,233 --> 02:09:41,135 Understand 2044 02:09:41,237 --> 02:09:44,229 Mr. Meier 2045 02:09:44,340 --> 02:09:47,832 Reported missing 2046 02:09:47,943 --> 02:09:51,379 Like so many 2047 02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:54,972 Wealthy men 2048 02:09:55,084 --> 02:09:57,552 Mack the Knife 2049 02:09:57,653 --> 02:10:02,147 Acquired his cash box 2050 02:10:02,258 --> 02:10:05,557 God alone knows 2051 02:10:05,661 --> 02:10:09,529 How or when 2052 02:10:09,632 --> 02:10:12,226 Jenny Towler 2053 02:10:12,334 --> 02:10:16,361 She turned up lately 2054 02:10:16,472 --> 02:10:19,270 With a knife stuck 2055 02:10:19,375 --> 02:10:23,277 Through her breast 2056 02:10:23,379 --> 02:10:25,370 While Macheath 2057 02:10:25,481 --> 02:10:29,747 He walks the Embankment 2058 02:10:29,852 --> 02:10:33,310 Nonchalantly 2059 02:10:33,422 --> 02:10:37,051 Unimpressed 2060 02:10:37,159 --> 02:10:40,151 And the ghastly 2061 02:10:40,262 --> 02:10:43,663 Fire in Soho 2062 02:10:43,766 --> 02:10:47,133 Seven children 2063 02:10:47,236 --> 02:10:50,433 At a go 2064 02:10:50,539 --> 02:10:53,872 In the crowd stands 2065 02:10:53,976 --> 02:10:56,774 Mack the Knife, but 2066 02:10:56,879 --> 02:11:00,042 He isn't asked 2067 02:11:00,149 --> 02:11:04,449 He doesn't know 2068 02:11:04,553 --> 02:11:07,716 And the child-bride 2069 02:11:07,823 --> 02:11:11,224 In her nightgown 2070 02:11:11,327 --> 02:11:14,057 Whose assailant's 2071 02:11:14,163 --> 02:11:17,860 Still at large 2072 02:11:17,967 --> 02:11:21,198 Violated 2073 02:11:21,303 --> 02:11:24,431 In her slumbers 2074 02:11:24,540 --> 02:11:27,566 Mackie, how much 2075 02:11:27,676 --> 02:11:31,544 Did you charge 2076 02:11:31,647 --> 02:11:34,912 Yes, the child-bride 2077 02:11:35,017 --> 02:11:38,214 In her nightgown 2078 02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:41,050 Her assailant's 2079 02:11:41,157 --> 02:11:44,957 Still at large 2080 02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:48,120 Violated 2081 02:11:48,230 --> 02:11:51,631 In her slumbers 2082 02:11:51,734 --> 02:11:54,931 Mackie, how much 2083 02:11:55,037 --> 02:11:58,598 Did you charge 2084 02:11:58,707 --> 02:12:02,143 Mackie, how much did you charge 2085 02:12:02,244 --> 02:12:05,372 How much did you charge 2086 02:12:05,481 --> 02:12:08,814 How much did you charge 2087 02:12:08,918 --> 02:12:12,786 How much did you charge 2088 02:12:12,888 --> 02:12:17,655 How much did you charge #