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Orange County Fire Rescue.

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6600 Sea Harbor Drive.

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SeaWorld Stadium.

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Okay.

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We actually have a trainer in the water

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with one of our whales--

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the whale that they're not supposed
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Okay.
We'll get somebody en route.

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Okay, through gate #3 to Shamu Stadium.

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Gate 3.

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Orange County Sheriff's Office.

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We need SO to respond

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for a dead person at SeaWorld.

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Uh, a whale has eaten one of the trainers.

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A whale ate one of the trainers?

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That's correct.

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Do you believe?

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My parents first brought me to a SeaWorld park

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when I was very young.

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From that point forward, I was hooked.

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It meant everything to me because

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I'd never wanted anything more.

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I remember being probably
in first or second grade

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watching National Geographic specials

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or Mutual of Omaha specials

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and seeing whales and seeing dolphins
and as a little kid

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just being really incredibly inspired by it.

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I never went to SeaWorld.

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I grew up in New York,
so I went to the Bronx Zoo.

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Grew up on a lake with horses.
We'd swim the horses.

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I grew up around the ocean.

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I came from the middle of the country
in flatland Kansas.

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I'm from Virginia.

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Traveled down, did the theme park thing

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in Orlando when I was 17

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and saw the night show at Shamu Stadium.

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Very emotional, you know, popular music.

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And I was just-- I was very driven
to want to do that.

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Then I saw what the trainers did...

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and I said,
"That's what I want to do."

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One of the trainers there, he goes,

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"What are you doing out there?
You should be a trainer."

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I go, "I don't know how to train animals.

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I've never trained animals
in my life."

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How do you prepare yourself for an encounter

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with an 8,000-pound Orcinus orca?

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I always thought
you needed, like, a master's degree

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in marine biology to be a trainer.

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It takes years of study and experience

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to meet the strict requirements necessary

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to interact in the water with Shamu.

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Come to find out, it really is more about

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your personality and how good you can swim.

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I went and tried out, got the job right away.

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I'm like, "Yeah!"
So excited, you know.

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I was so, so excited.

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I really wanted to be there.
I really wanted to do the job.

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I couldn't wait to get in the water
with the animals.

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I really was proud of being a SeaWorld trainer.

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You know, I thought this was
the most amazing job.

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I showed up there on my first day,
not really knowing what to expect.

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I was told to put on a wetsuit
and get in the water.

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Hi, Mom!

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Oh, I was scared out of my wits.

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First of all, I put my wetsuit on backwards

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because I was raised on a farm in Virginia.

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- Hi, Dad!
- My first thought

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and memory of that time
was that dolphins are a lot bigger...

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...heh, than they look

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when you get in the water next to them.

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Well, I watched the Sea Lion & Otter Show,

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and this guy, Mike Morocco,

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he comes out during the show
with a dress on as Dorky,

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the alter ego of Dorothy--

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in a dress with a sea lion,
the Coward Sea Lion, right?

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And he's walking along with this little basket,

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and I go, "I will never,
ever do that."

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You know?
Two months later...

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Hi, I'm Dorky!

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Walking out onstage with a sea lion.

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I was overwhelmed and I was so excited.

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I mean, just seeing a killer whale...

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is breathtaking.

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I was just in awe.

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It's shocking to see how large they are

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and how beautiful they are.

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Being in the presence of the killer whales

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was just inspiring and amazing,

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and I remember seeing them for the first time,

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just not being able to believe
how huge they were.

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You're there because you want to train
killer whales and that's your goal.

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Yay!

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I didn't know it was going to happen,

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so I wasn't expecting it.

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And one day they say,
"Okay, Sam, you're ready to go."

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Come on, you got it.

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"You're going to stand on the whale.

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You're going to dive off the whale.

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The whale's going to swim under you
and pick you up again.

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And then you're going to do
a perimeter ride around the pool."

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Good!

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Keep moving.
Ride him to the slide-out.

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They just told me to go do it and I did it.

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Wow, I did-- I just rode
a killer whale.

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Yay, girly!

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When you look into their eyes,
you know somebody is home.

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Somebody's looking back.

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You form a very personal relationship
with your animal.

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There's something absolutely amazing

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about working with an animal.

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You are a team.

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You build a relationship together.

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You both understand the goal
and you help each other.

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I've been with this whale
since I was 18 years old

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and I've seen her have all four of her babies.

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We've grown up together. Huh?

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That's the joy I got out of it.

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It's a relationship like I've never had.

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Bro,
I have to know-- are you nervous?

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I'm scared.

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- Oh, no.
- Nice hair, Jeff.

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Did you see anything?

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Projection for the future of Jeff Ventre.

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Jeff Ventre is going to go over there,
he's going to shine.

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- You're going to notice...
- Dawn.

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- Oh, that's Dawn.
- Wow.

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He's going to be my supervisor one day.

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There you go.

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I knew Dawn when she was new.

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She was a great person to work with

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and she obviously blossomed
into one of SeaWorld's best trainers.

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This is Dawn Brancheau.

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Dawn is the senior trainer
here at Shamu Stadium.

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I guess you could say
I kind of knew Dawn in a past life.

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It's a tough job, isn't it?

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Yeah, we really do go through
a lot of physical exertion.

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You can see in the show
we do a lot of deepwater work,

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breath holds, very high-energy
behaviors with animals.

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Obviously they're giving out
a lot of energy too,

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but we're working together
and having a lot of fun as well.

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She's beautiful, she's blonde,
she's athletic, she's friendly.

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You know, everybody loves Dawn.

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And I mean this so sincerely,

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watching you perform yesterday--
you're amazing.

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- Thank you.
- You really are.

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She captured what it means
to be a SeaWorld trainer.

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She had so much experience
that it made me realize

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what happened to her
really could have happened to anyone.

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This is Detective Revere

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with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

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Today's date is February 24, 2010.

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The time is 4:16.

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In the room with me right now
is a Thomas George Tobin.

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- Is that correct?
- Correct.

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- So the arm is nowhere...
- Right.

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OSHA, on behalf of the federal government,

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is basically suggesting that swimming with orcas

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is inherently dangerous
and that you can't completely predict

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the outcome when you enter the water
or enter their environment.

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That's the crux of the OSHA case.

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Stay out of proximity with the animals
and you won't get killed.

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It will have a ripple effect
through the whole industry.

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This was national headline news.

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SeaWorld's whale performances

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may never be the same.

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Right now the theme park is arguing in court

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to keep whale trainers in the water,

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something OSHA says is extremely dangerous.

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These are wild animals,
and they are unpredictable

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because we don't speak whale.

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We don't speak whale, we don't speak tiger,

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we don't speak monkey.

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And tempers flared between the two sides today

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when OSHA's attorney suggested
that SeaWorld only made changes

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after trainer Dawn Brancheau's death
outraged the public.

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OSHA doesn't want
the trainers going back in the water

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without a physical barrier
between them and the whales.

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Being in close proximity
to these top predators is too dangerous.

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They won't then be getting in the water

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riding on the whales, things like that.

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If you were in a bathtub for 25 years,
don't you think you'd get

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a little irritated, aggravated,
maybe a little psychotic?

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The situation with Dawn Brancheau--
it didn't just happen.

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It's not a singular event.

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You have to go back over 20 years
to understand this.

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It was a really exciting thing to do

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and so everybody wanted to do it.

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What were they telling you you were going to do?

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Mm, capture orcas.

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Whoo-hoo!

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They had aircraft,

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they had spotters, they had speedboats,

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they had bombs they were throwing in the water.

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They were lighting their bombs
with acetylene torches in their boats

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and throwing them as fast as they could

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to herd the whales into coves.

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Whoo!

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But the orcas had been caught before

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and they knew what was going on

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and they knew their young ones
would be taken from them.

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So the adults without young
went east into a cul-de-sac

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and the boats followed them,
thinking they were all going that way,

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while the mothers with babies went north.

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But the capture teams had aircraft.

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And they have to come up for air eventually.

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And when they did,
the capture teams alerted the boats

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and said, "Oh, no, they're going north--
the ones with babies."

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So the boats-- the speedboats
caught them there

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and herded them in.

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And then they had fishing boats with seine nets

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that they would stretch across
so none could leave

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and then they could just pick out
the young ones.

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We were only after the little ones.

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And a little one is, you know,
a big animal still.

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But I was told because of shipping costs

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that's why they only take the little ones.

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They had the young ones
that they wanted in the corrals,

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so they dropped the seine nets.

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And all the others could have left,
but they stayed.

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We're there, trying to get
the young orca into the stretcher,

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and the whole famn damily is out here,

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25 yards away maybe,

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in a big line...

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...and they're communicating
back and forth.

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Well...

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you understand then what you're doing, you know.

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I-- I lost it.

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I mean, I just started crying.

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I didn't stop working,

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but I...

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you know, I just couldn't handle it.

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Just like kidnapping a little kid
away from their mother.

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Everybody's watching.
What can you do?

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It's the worst thing I can think of, you know?

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I can't think of anything worse than that.

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Now, and this really sounds bad,

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but when the whole hunt was over,

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there were three dead whales in the net.

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And...

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so they had Peter and Brian and I...

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cut the whales open, fill them with rocks,

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put anchors on their tail, and sink them.

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Well...

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you know...

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really, I didn't even think about it

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being illegal at that point.

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I thought it was a PR thing.

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They were finally ejected
from the State of Washington

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by a court order in 1976.

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It was SeaWorld by name that was told,

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"Do not come back to Washington
to capture whales."

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Without missing a beat, they went
from Washington to Iceland

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and began capturing there.

254
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I've been part of a revolution
and two change of presidents

255
00:14:04,803 --> 00:14:07,097
in Central and South America...

256
00:14:08,516 --> 00:14:12,186
and seen some things that's hard to believe,

257
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but this is the worst thing
that I've ever done--

258
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is hunt that whale.

259
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Sealand has been
a part of Victoria for over 20 years.

260
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We specialize in the care
and display of killer whales.

261
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By the time I started, when he was four,

262
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he was up to 16 feet long
and weighed 4,000 pounds.

263
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Tilikum, up again.

264
00:15:15,249 --> 00:15:16,667
Thank you.

265
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I had actually seen Tilikum
quite a number of times.

266
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He was right across the street here in Victoria.

267
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Now, this show
can get a little bit soggy at times.

268
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All Sealand was was a net hanging in a marina

269
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with a float around it.

270
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Tilikum was the one
we really loved to work with.

271
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He was very well behaved
and he was always eager to please.

272
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When he was first introduced,
everything just went fine and dandy,

273
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but the previous head trainer

274
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used techniques that involved punishment.

275
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He would team a trained orca up
with Tilikum who was untrained.

276
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He would send them both off
to do the same behavior.

277
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If Tilikum didn't do it,
then both animals were punished.

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Deprived of food to keep them hungry,

279
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this caused a lot of frustration
with the larger animal,

280
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the established animal,

281
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and would in turn get frustrated with Tilikum

282
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and would rake him with his teeth.

283
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There would be times during certain seasons

284
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that Tilikum would be covered
head to toe with rakes.

285
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Rakes are teeth on teeth and raking the skin.

286
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And from head to toe you could see blood

287
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and you could see scratches,
and he would just be raked up.

288
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Both females would gang up on him.

289
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Tilikum was the one we trusted.

290
00:16:28,864 --> 00:16:31,075
We never were concerned about Tilikum.

291
00:16:31,241 --> 00:16:34,411
The issue was really that we stored
these whales at night

292
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in what we call a module,
which was 20 feet across

293
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and probably 30 feet deep as a safety precaution

294
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because we were worried about people
cutting the net and letting them go.

295
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And the lights were all turned out,
so there was really no stimulation.

296
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They're just in this dark,
metal 20x30-foot pool

297
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for two-thirds of their life.

298
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When we first started,

299
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they were quite small and quite young.

300
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So they fit in there quite nicely,

301
00:17:03,065 --> 00:17:05,943
but they were immobile for the most part.

302
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It didn't feel good.
It just didn't.

303
00:17:10,656 --> 00:17:12,533
And it was just wrong.

304
00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:14,743
We started having difficulty getting them all

305
00:17:14,910 --> 00:17:18,372
into this one small steel box, to be honest.

306
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That's what it was.
It was a floating steel box.

307
00:17:20,624 --> 00:17:22,334
That's where food deprivation would come in.

308
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We would hold back food,

309
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and they would know if they went in the module

310
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that they would get their food.

311
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So if they're hungry enough,
they're going to go in there.

312
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And during the winter that would be

313
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from 5:00 at night
till 7:00 in the morning.

314
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When you let them out,
you'd see these new tooth rakes

315
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and sometimes you'd see blood.

316
00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:40,853
Closing that door on him

317
00:17:41,019 --> 00:17:44,690
and knowing that he's locked in there
for the whole night is like...

318
00:17:47,151 --> 00:17:49,486
it's a stab, it's a "whoa."

319
00:17:49,653 --> 00:17:53,490
If that is true, it's not only inhumane,

320
00:17:53,657 --> 00:17:55,659
and I'll tell them so...

321
00:17:55,826 --> 00:18:00,038
but it probably led to what I think
is a psychosis that...

322
00:18:01,582 --> 00:18:03,333
he was on a hair trigger.

323
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:05,252
He'd kill.

324
00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:18,140
An employee is dead after an encounter...

325
00:18:18,307 --> 00:18:21,143
...at a Canadian park
called Sealand of the Pacific.

326
00:18:21,310 --> 00:18:24,021
The victim, Keltie Byrne,
was a championship swimmer

327
00:18:24,188 --> 00:18:26,106
and a part-time worker at Sealand.

328
00:18:26,273 --> 00:18:29,693
As seen in this home video,
rescuers used a huge net to try...

329
00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:32,488
...rescue workers' efforts
were hindered by the agitated whales.

330
00:18:32,654 --> 00:18:34,782
I'd like to make
the Pan Pacific team this summer,

331
00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:39,244
but my more immediate goal
is just to swim fast at nationals.

332
00:18:46,001 --> 00:18:47,836
It was sort of a cloudy, gray day

333
00:18:48,003 --> 00:18:49,671
and we were looking for something to do,

334
00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:52,090
so we thought,
"Why not go to Sealand?"

335
00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:56,470
It was kind of like this dingy pool
with these whales and--

336
00:18:56,637 --> 00:18:58,847
it just felt a little bit like an amusement park

337
00:18:59,014 --> 00:19:02,893
that was kind of on its last legs
and everything was a bit gray.

338
00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:04,812
Yeah. It was like
a swimming pool.

339
00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:05,979
- Yeah, yeah.
- You know,

340
00:19:06,146 --> 00:19:07,815
three whales in a swimming pool.

341
00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:08,982
Yeah.

342
00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:12,569
And they would come up
and touch the ball and there was--

343
00:19:12,736 --> 00:19:16,031
I think there was some tail splashing
and there was some--

344
00:19:16,198 --> 00:19:18,408
- Some jumping.
- The fish. And--

345
00:19:18,575 --> 00:19:21,954
They hold the fish and the whales jump up.

346
00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:25,374
I remember saying, "Oh, what a fun job.

347
00:19:25,541 --> 00:19:28,961
You know, she's so lucky."

348
00:19:29,127 --> 00:19:32,506
And then I saw her walking with her rubber boots

349
00:19:32,673 --> 00:19:35,843
and she tripped and her foot
just dipped into the edge of the pool

350
00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:38,470
and she lost her balance and fell in.

351
00:19:38,637 --> 00:19:42,224
And then she was pushing her way up
to get out of the pool

352
00:19:42,391 --> 00:19:44,893
and the whale zoomed over, grabbed her boot,

353
00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:46,520
and pulled her back in.

354
00:19:46,687 --> 00:19:48,772
At first, I didn't think it was that serious

355
00:19:48,939 --> 00:19:52,609
because you see the trainer
in the pool with the whale

356
00:19:52,776 --> 00:19:56,154
and you think, "Oh, well,
the whales are used to that."

357
00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,866
And then all of a sudden,
it started getting--

358
00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:02,369
there was more swimming,
more activity, more thrashing,

359
00:20:02,536 --> 00:20:04,288
and she was starting to get panicked.

360
00:20:04,454 --> 00:20:07,207
And then as it progressed,
you started to realize,

361
00:20:07,374 --> 00:20:09,668
"Whoa, something's not right here."

362
00:20:09,835 --> 00:20:12,713
She started to scream
and she started looking around

363
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,132
and her eyes were, like, bigger and bigger

364
00:20:15,299 --> 00:20:17,926
and realizing that,
"I really am in trouble here."

365
00:20:18,093 --> 00:20:21,138
And then they would pull her under.

366
00:20:21,305 --> 00:20:23,181
And then they would come up
and then when she--

367
00:20:23,348 --> 00:20:25,559
they came up, she'd be,
"Help me, help me."

368
00:20:25,726 --> 00:20:27,060
And then they'd take her down again.

369
00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:30,647
And she would be submerged for several seconds

370
00:20:30,814 --> 00:20:33,066
up to, I don't know, maybe a minute.

371
00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:34,943
You're not keeping track.

372
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:40,657
So it was harder and harder
for her to get the air in

373
00:20:40,824 --> 00:20:42,159
because she was screaming.

374
00:20:42,326 --> 00:20:46,079
And my sister remembers
her saying, "I don't want to die."

375
00:20:50,792 --> 00:20:54,630
Well, condolences to Keltie's family.

376
00:20:54,796 --> 00:20:56,673
Yeah.

377
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,550
That we couldn't help her

378
00:20:58,717 --> 00:21:00,677
was pretty wretched.

379
00:21:01,929 --> 00:21:04,097
Sealand closed.
Well, it's probably a good thing.

380
00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:07,559
I mean, it was a little pond.

381
00:21:07,726 --> 00:21:09,561
And I think the owner,

382
00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:13,649
you know, made the right decision
for whatever reasons.

383
00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:16,360
I don't believe he's a bad guy, a bad man.

384
00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:18,654
I think he was shocked by the whole affair, too.

385
00:21:19,655 --> 00:21:21,615
The blush was gone from the business

386
00:21:21,782 --> 00:21:25,077
and he decided that that was it.

387
00:21:25,243 --> 00:21:26,411
We should shut down.

388
00:21:26,578 --> 00:21:29,414
No one ever contacted us.
There was an inquest.

389
00:21:29,581 --> 00:21:33,001
No one ever asked us to say what happened.

390
00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,212
- Yeah.
- You know, we just left.

391
00:21:35,379 --> 00:21:38,590
There was no big lawsuits afterwards
and there was no memorial.

392
00:21:38,757 --> 00:21:43,178
And the only thing remaining
of Keltie Byrne is--

393
00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:48,600
is what's left in the folks' minds
who recall the case.

394
00:21:48,767 --> 00:21:50,769
So in the newspaper articles,

395
00:21:50,936 --> 00:21:53,814
the cause of death
was that she drowned accidentally,

396
00:21:53,981 --> 00:21:57,192
but she was pulled under by the whale.

397
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,444
Well, there's a bit of smoke
and mirrors going on.

398
00:21:59,611 --> 00:22:02,489
I mean, one of the fundamental facts is
is that none of the witnesses

399
00:22:02,656 --> 00:22:06,451
were clear about which whale pulled Keltie in.

400
00:22:06,618 --> 00:22:09,162
Yes. Yeah, it was the large whale.

401
00:22:09,329 --> 00:22:12,374
Tilikum, the male, is the one
that went after her.

402
00:22:12,541 --> 00:22:15,293
And the other two just kind of circled around.

403
00:22:15,460 --> 00:22:17,754
But he was definitely the instigator.

404
00:22:17,921 --> 00:22:22,175
And we knew it was that whale
because he had the flopped-over fin.

405
00:22:22,342 --> 00:22:24,845
Like, it was very easy to tell.

406
00:22:29,141 --> 00:22:33,061
Sealand of the Pacific closed
its doors and was looking, I guess,

407
00:22:33,228 --> 00:22:34,521
to make a buck on the way out

408
00:22:34,688 --> 00:22:36,773
and these whales are worth millions of dollars.

409
00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:39,484
When SeaWorld heard that Tilikum was available

410
00:22:39,651 --> 00:22:42,988
after this accident at Sealand of the Pacific,

411
00:22:43,155 --> 00:22:45,699
they really wanted Tilikum
because they needed a breeder.

412
00:22:45,866 --> 00:22:48,243
So I don't even think that anybody
even was questioning,

413
00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:50,245
like, is this a good idea?

414
00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:54,082
My understanding of the situation
was that Tilikum and the others

415
00:22:54,249 --> 00:22:55,667
would not be used in shows.

416
00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:57,419
They would not be performance animals.

417
00:22:57,586 --> 00:22:58,920
Our understanding of their behavior

418
00:22:59,087 --> 00:23:01,715
was that it was such
a highly stimulating event for them

419
00:23:01,882 --> 00:23:03,300
that they were likely to repeat it.

420
00:23:03,467 --> 00:23:06,178
Sealand was-- we were all young
and bit of sea cowboys

421
00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:09,306
and we weren't so technical
and scientific as SeaWorld,

422
00:23:09,473 --> 00:23:11,767
so we all had this vision
that they knew more than us

423
00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,477
and they were better than us
and Tilikum would have

424
00:23:13,643 --> 00:23:15,187
a bigger pool and he'd have a better life

425
00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:17,439
and he would have better care
and he'd have better food

426
00:23:17,606 --> 00:23:19,649
and it'd be a great life for him.

427
00:23:19,816 --> 00:23:22,277
So it was like, "Okay, Tilly.

428
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:25,697
You're going to Disneyland.
Lucky you."

429
00:23:32,245 --> 00:23:33,330
The orcas' intelligence

430
00:23:33,497 --> 00:23:35,832
may be even superior to man's.

431
00:23:35,999 --> 00:23:39,211
As parents, they are exemplary,
better than many human beings.

432
00:23:39,377 --> 00:23:43,590
And like human beings, they have
a profound instinct for vengeance.

433
00:23:46,802 --> 00:23:48,178
Dino De Laurentiis presents...

434
00:23:48,345 --> 00:23:50,597
..."Orca."

435
00:23:50,764 --> 00:23:55,435
If you go back only 35 years, we knew nothing.

436
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:56,853
In fact, less than nothing.

437
00:23:57,020 --> 00:23:59,981
What the public had was superstition and fear.

438
00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:02,275
A fight to the death...

439
00:24:03,902 --> 00:24:06,613
between the two most dangerous animals on Earth.

440
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:08,323
What in hell are you?!

441
00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:10,367
These were the vicious killer whales

442
00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:12,786
that, you know, had 48 sharp teeth

443
00:24:12,953 --> 00:24:15,539
that would rip you to shreds
if they got a chance.

444
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:23,713
What we learned is that
they're amazingly friendly

445
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,551
and understanding and intuitively
want to be your companion.

446
00:24:27,717 --> 00:24:29,845
Are you recording this?

447
00:24:32,764 --> 00:24:34,975
And to this day there is no record

448
00:24:35,142 --> 00:24:38,228
of an orca doing any harm
to any human in the wild.

449
00:24:51,783 --> 00:24:54,661
They live in these big families.

450
00:24:56,371 --> 00:24:59,416
And they have life spans
very similar to human life spans.

451
00:24:59,583 --> 00:25:03,253
The females can live to about 100, maybe more,

452
00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:05,922
males to about 50 or 60.

453
00:25:06,089 --> 00:25:10,177
But the adult offspring never leave
their mother's side.

454
00:25:12,846 --> 00:25:17,392
Each community has a completely
different set of behaviors.

455
00:25:19,186 --> 00:25:23,231
Each has a complete repertoire of vocalizations

456
00:25:23,398 --> 00:25:26,318
with no overlap.

457
00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:27,861
You could call them languages.

458
00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:30,363
The scientific community is reluctant to say

459
00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:33,074
any other animal but humans uses languages,

460
00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:36,745
but there's every indication
that they use languages.

461
00:25:36,912 --> 00:25:40,207
The orca brain just screams out

462
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:42,709
intelligence, awareness.

463
00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:44,544
We took this tremendous brain

464
00:25:44,711 --> 00:25:48,215
and we put it in a magnetic
resonance imaging scanner.

465
00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:52,302
What we found was just astounding.

466
00:25:52,469 --> 00:25:55,388
They've got a part of the brain
that humans don't have.

467
00:25:55,555 --> 00:25:58,975
A part of their brain has extended out

468
00:25:59,142 --> 00:26:01,937
right adjacent to their limbic system.

469
00:26:02,103 --> 00:26:04,856
The system processes emotions.

470
00:26:05,023 --> 00:26:08,109
The safest inference would be these are animals

471
00:26:08,276 --> 00:26:12,447
that have highly elaborated emotional lives.

472
00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:15,408
It's becoming clear that dolphins and whales

473
00:26:15,575 --> 00:26:18,912
have a sense of self, a sense of social bonding

474
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,414
that they've taken to another level--

475
00:26:21,581 --> 00:26:24,084
much stronger, much more complex

476
00:26:24,251 --> 00:26:28,004
than in other mammals, including humans.

477
00:26:28,171 --> 00:26:30,382
We look at mass strandings,

478
00:26:30,548 --> 00:26:33,593
the fact that they stand by each other.

479
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,888
Everything about them
is social-- everything.

480
00:26:37,889 --> 00:26:41,434
It's been suggested
that their whole sense of self

481
00:26:41,601 --> 00:26:44,980
is distributed among
the individuals in their group.

482
00:26:45,146 --> 00:26:46,940
There are five of them.

483
00:26:47,107 --> 00:26:51,027
These orca are going
to attack this seal on--

484
00:26:51,194 --> 00:26:55,907
they've been breaking the ice off
and swimming around him.

485
00:26:56,074 --> 00:26:57,826
Oh, here they come, two of them.
Lookit, underneath there.

486
00:26:57,993 --> 00:26:59,494
You can see them underneath.

487
00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:02,038
They made a big wave.
Look at that, a big wave.

488
00:27:02,205 --> 00:27:03,290
- Oh, yeah.
- Whoa.

489
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,917
- Oh, God.
- Oh, God. No, no, no.

490
00:27:06,084 --> 00:27:08,420
Oh!
Oh, I can't stand it.

491
00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:11,006
If you can't watch
the bullfight, you'd better leave.

492
00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:13,925
Oh, yeah, here they go.
Look at this-- three of them.

493
00:27:14,926 --> 00:27:15,927
Look at this. Look at this.

494
00:27:16,094 --> 00:27:17,804
Oh, God. Oh, no!

495
00:27:17,971 --> 00:27:19,472
- Oh, God!
- It's all over.

496
00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:21,641
Nope, not quite.

497
00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:24,769
Yeah, it's all over.

498
00:27:24,936 --> 00:27:26,688
It's all over.

499
00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:44,414
The First Nations people
and the old fishermen on the coast,

500
00:27:44,581 --> 00:27:47,167
they call them "blackfish."

501
00:27:47,334 --> 00:27:51,504
They're an animal that possesses
great spiritual power

502
00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:54,090
and they're not to be meddled with.

503
00:27:58,595 --> 00:28:00,764
I've spent a lot of time around killer whales

504
00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:02,474
and they're always in charge.

505
00:28:03,808 --> 00:28:06,519
I never get out of the boat,
I never mess with them.

506
00:28:08,438 --> 00:28:10,940
The speed and the power is quite amazing.

507
00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:20,367
Rules are the same
as the pool hall--

508
00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:23,495
keep one foot on the floor at all times.

509
00:28:27,415 --> 00:28:29,918
Even after seeing them thousands of times...

510
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,716
you see them and you still--

511
00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,635
you know, wake up.

512
00:28:51,731 --> 00:28:54,192
He arrived, I think, in 1992.

513
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,694
I was at Whale and Dolphin Stadium
when he arrived.

514
00:28:56,861 --> 00:29:01,116
And he's twice as large
as the next animal in the facility.

515
00:29:01,282 --> 00:29:02,283
Yay!

516
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:03,827
The guy is right at about 12,000 pounds.

517
00:29:03,993 --> 00:29:07,288
That's incredible.
He looks fantastic.

518
00:29:07,455 --> 00:29:09,582
When Tilikum arrived at SeaWorld,

519
00:29:09,749 --> 00:29:14,712
he was attacked viciously,
repeatedly by Katina and others.

520
00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:18,299
In the wild, it's a very matriarchal society.

521
00:29:18,466 --> 00:29:21,344
Male whales are kept at the perimeter.

522
00:29:21,511 --> 00:29:23,054
In captivity,

523
00:29:23,221 --> 00:29:27,392
the animals are squeezed
into very close proximity.

524
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:29,686
Tilikum-- the poor guy
is so large,

525
00:29:29,853 --> 00:29:33,481
he couldn't get away
because he just is not as mobile

526
00:29:33,648 --> 00:29:36,484
relative to the smaller and more agile females.

527
00:29:36,651 --> 00:29:39,195
And where was he going to run?
There's no place to run.

528
00:29:39,362 --> 00:29:41,865
I think he spent a lot of time in isolation.

529
00:29:42,031 --> 00:29:44,492
SeaWorld claims that, "Oh, no,
he's always in with the other--

530
00:29:44,659 --> 00:29:46,661
with the females," but from what I saw,

531
00:29:46,828 --> 00:29:49,456
he was mostly put with the females
for breeding purposes

532
00:29:49,622 --> 00:29:53,710
and he didn't spend a lot of time,
you know, with the other whales.

533
00:29:53,877 --> 00:29:57,338
It's for his own protection
that he gets beat up.

534
00:29:57,505 --> 00:29:59,674
And so by segregating him,

535
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:04,804
it provides a physical barrier
so the females can't kick his butt.

536
00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:07,599
Tilikum is pretty much kept in the back,

537
00:30:07,765 --> 00:30:12,103
and then brought out at the very end
as, like, the big splash.

538
00:30:16,357 --> 00:30:19,235
He was always happy to see you in the morning.

539
00:30:19,402 --> 00:30:20,820
- Hi!
- There we go.

540
00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:23,072
- You're the boy.
- Look at his chompers.

541
00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:25,533
Maybe because he was alone,
maybe because he was hungry,

542
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:26,910
maybe because he just liked you--

543
00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,078
who knows what was going on in his head.

544
00:30:29,245 --> 00:30:31,414
You want to whistle?

545
00:30:31,581 --> 00:30:34,542
-- All right, so he can talk to us.

546
00:30:34,709 --> 00:30:36,169
- Yes.
- You don't say.

547
00:30:36,336 --> 00:30:37,670
He's precious.
Yes?

548
00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:39,047
That was really loud.
Terrific.

549
00:30:41,466 --> 00:30:43,301
- Come on, big boy.
- Show the pecs.

550
00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:45,803
He seemed to like to work.
He seemed to be interested.

551
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:48,348
He seemed to want to learn new things.

552
00:30:48,515 --> 00:30:51,559
He seemed to be enjoying
working with the trainers.

553
00:30:53,394 --> 00:30:56,397
He, for me, was a joy.

554
00:30:56,564 --> 00:30:58,274
He really responded to me and I--

555
00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:01,236
you know, every day I went to work,
I was happy to see Tilly.

556
00:31:03,863 --> 00:31:06,950
- Boop!
- That's cute.

557
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,289
You're being too cute.

558
00:31:13,456 --> 00:31:16,125
I never got the impression
of him while I was there

559
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:19,379
that, oh, my God, he's the scary whale.

560
00:31:19,546 --> 00:31:20,547
Not at all.

561
00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:25,301
Maybe some of it's just our naiveté or whatever,

562
00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:28,012
you know, because we weren't given

563
00:31:28,179 --> 00:31:30,598
the full details of Keltie's situation.

564
00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:32,183
Turn around.
Smile, buddy.

565
00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:34,102
- Cheese.
- Yay!

566
00:31:34,269 --> 00:31:36,729
I was under the impression
that Tilikum had nothing to do

567
00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:39,190
with her death specifically,
that it was the female whales

568
00:31:39,357 --> 00:31:40,525
who were responsible for her death.

569
00:31:40,692 --> 00:31:43,528
What I found really odd at first
was the way they were acting

570
00:31:43,695 --> 00:31:45,530
around this whale and what they had told us

571
00:31:45,697 --> 00:31:47,907
seemed to me to be two different things.

572
00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:49,826
The first day he arrived, I remember

573
00:31:49,993 --> 00:31:52,662
one of the senior trainers
at SeaWorld, she--

574
00:31:52,829 --> 00:31:55,915
Tilikum was in a pool
and she was walking over a gate,

575
00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:58,710
and she had her wetsuit unzipped
and it was tied around her waist.

576
00:31:58,876 --> 00:32:00,920
And she was making cooing noises and going,

577
00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:02,714
"Hey, Tilikum,
what a cute little whale."

578
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,633
And she was, like,
just kind of play-talking at him,

579
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,429
and one of the supervisors said,
"Get her out of there!"

580
00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,931
And just screamed at her,
like, "Get her away from there,"

581
00:32:12,098 --> 00:32:14,058
like they were so worried
that something was going to happen.

582
00:32:14,225 --> 00:32:17,270
And I remember thinking,
"Why are you guys making

583
00:32:17,437 --> 00:32:20,189
such a big deal out of this
when he didn't actually kill her?"

584
00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:23,484
Well, clearly management thought
there was some reason

585
00:32:23,651 --> 00:32:25,445
to exercise caution around him.

586
00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:28,239
You know, clearly they knew more
than they were telling us.

587
00:32:29,574 --> 00:32:32,076
Ladies and gentlemen, the next two
behaviors you're going to be seeing,

588
00:32:32,243 --> 00:32:34,495
you can only see right here at SeaWorld.

589
00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:39,125
Jeff was out in the audience
filming one of the Shamu shows.

590
00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:40,543
It was a perfect show.

591
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:41,961
All of the hot dog sequences,

592
00:32:42,128 --> 00:32:44,255
the water works sequences went off great.

593
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:49,302
I was really excited just to be capturing this

594
00:32:49,469 --> 00:32:52,138
because it was kind of turning out
to be a great show.

595
00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:57,810
A show that's kind of complete--

596
00:32:57,977 --> 00:33:01,731
it doesn't-- it probably only happens
a few times a week.

597
00:33:03,358 --> 00:33:06,110
At the very end of the show,
Liz was working Tilikum

598
00:33:06,277 --> 00:33:08,363
and apparently Tilikum
lunged out of the water at her.

599
00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:11,783
And I had captured Tilikum
coming out of the water

600
00:33:11,949 --> 00:33:13,868
kind of turning sideways and appeared to me

601
00:33:14,035 --> 00:33:15,453
to try to grab Liz.

602
00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:17,622
And at that moment,

603
00:33:17,789 --> 00:33:19,916
the tape became unusable.

604
00:33:20,083 --> 00:33:23,336
I was just kind of basically instructed
to get rid of the tape.

605
00:33:23,503 --> 00:33:26,756
Wanting to kind of preserve the tape,
I actually used the editing equipment

606
00:33:26,923 --> 00:33:30,009
and snipped out
that little half-second or second

607
00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:32,178
when he did that and stitched it back together

608
00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:34,681
so it just kind of looked like
a glitch in the tape.

609
00:33:34,847 --> 00:33:36,808
And I'm like, "Look at this."
And it was like, "No.

610
00:33:36,974 --> 00:33:38,393
This is no longer usable."

611
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:40,853
You know, and so we had to destroy the tape.

612
00:34:19,142 --> 00:34:21,436
It's pretty outrageous that SeaWorld would claim

613
00:34:21,602 --> 00:34:24,105
there was no expecting Tilikum
to come out of the water

614
00:34:24,272 --> 00:34:26,065
because they had witnessed him
coming out of the water,

615
00:34:26,232 --> 00:34:28,276
and it's written into his profile.

616
00:34:30,486 --> 00:34:32,488
He lunges at trainers.

617
00:34:36,325 --> 00:34:39,370
When we visit SeaWorld,
we tend to take advantage of the fact

618
00:34:39,537 --> 00:34:43,082
that Shamu has been provided
with a safe and comfortable habitat.

619
00:34:43,249 --> 00:34:45,168
And everything trained is an extension

620
00:34:45,334 --> 00:34:48,087
of the killer whale's natural behavior.

621
00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:51,424
I spewed out the party line during shows.

622
00:34:51,591 --> 00:34:53,342
I'm totally mortified now.

623
00:34:53,509 --> 00:34:57,388
There was like-- something like,
"Look at Namu.

624
00:34:57,555 --> 00:35:00,308
Namu's not doing that
because she has to."

625
00:35:00,475 --> 00:35:03,936
Namu is doing this because she really wants to.

626
00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:05,730
Oh, my gosh.

627
00:35:05,897 --> 00:35:07,982
Like, some of the things I'm embarrassed by,

628
00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:09,358
so embarrassed by.

629
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,905
At the time, I think
I could have convinced myself

630
00:35:14,071 --> 00:35:17,408
that the relationships that we had
were built on something

631
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:20,369
stronger than the fact
that I'm giving them fish.

632
00:35:20,536 --> 00:35:22,038
You know, I like to think that...

633
00:35:24,123 --> 00:35:26,584
but I don't know that that's the truth.

634
00:35:29,712 --> 00:35:33,216
I had been there a while and I had seen
a few other things along the way

635
00:35:33,382 --> 00:35:36,719
that made me question why I was there

636
00:35:36,886 --> 00:35:38,554
and what we were doing with these animals.

637
00:35:42,225 --> 00:35:44,685
On November 4, 1988,

638
00:35:44,852 --> 00:35:47,271
a killer whale at SeaWorld

639
00:35:47,438 --> 00:35:50,900
gave the performance of a lifetime.

640
00:35:57,824 --> 00:36:00,451
Don't miss this small miracle.

641
00:36:00,618 --> 00:36:04,372
Come see our new Baby Shamu.

642
00:36:04,539 --> 00:36:06,582
I know it was naive of me,

643
00:36:06,749 --> 00:36:08,543
but I thought that...

644
00:36:11,045 --> 00:36:13,214
it was our responsibility
to do as much as we could

645
00:36:13,381 --> 00:36:15,007
to keep their family units together

646
00:36:15,174 --> 00:36:17,927
since we knew that in the wild
that's what happens.

647
00:36:18,094 --> 00:36:20,346
♪ Yes, sir, that's our baby... ♪

648
00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:22,849
Kalina was the first Baby Shamu.

649
00:36:23,015 --> 00:36:25,601
Baby Shamu--
SeaWorld's newest star...

650
00:36:25,768 --> 00:36:30,189
She had become quite disruptive
and challenging her mom a little bit

651
00:36:30,356 --> 00:36:32,859
and disrupting some shows
and that kind of thing.

652
00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:34,902
♪ She's got the whole place jumpin' ♪

653
00:36:35,069 --> 00:36:38,281
♪ Shamu,
she's that baby whale. ♪

654
00:36:39,282 --> 00:36:41,117
It was decided by the higher-ups
that she would be moved

655
00:36:41,284 --> 00:36:44,161
to another park when she was
just four, four and a half years old.

656
00:36:44,328 --> 00:36:48,416
And that was news to us as trainers
that were working with her.

657
00:36:48,583 --> 00:36:51,168
To me, it had never crossed my mind

658
00:36:51,335 --> 00:36:55,089
that they might be moving the baby from her mom.

659
00:36:58,175 --> 00:37:01,846
The supervisors basically
was kind of mocking me,

660
00:37:02,013 --> 00:37:04,432
like, "Oh, you're saying, 'Poor Kalina,"'

661
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,935
you know, "'what's she going to do
without her mommy?"'

662
00:37:08,102 --> 00:37:10,855
And, you know-- and that
of course just shut me up.

663
00:37:12,523 --> 00:37:15,067
So, the night of the move,
we had to deploy the nets

664
00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:19,196
to separate them and get Kalina,
the baby, into the med pool.

665
00:37:19,363 --> 00:37:22,491
And Katina was generally a quiet whale.

666
00:37:22,658 --> 00:37:24,952
She was not an overly vocal whale.

667
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,247
After, Kalina was removed from the scene

668
00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:31,292
and put on the truck and taken to the airport,

669
00:37:31,459 --> 00:37:33,961
and Katina, her mom, was left in the pool.

670
00:37:34,128 --> 00:37:37,715
She stayed in the corner of the pool,

671
00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:41,719
like, literally just shaking and screaming,

672
00:37:41,886 --> 00:37:42,970
screeching, crying.

673
00:37:43,137 --> 00:37:45,264
Like, I had never seen her

674
00:37:45,431 --> 00:37:46,891
do anything like that.

675
00:37:47,058 --> 00:37:48,976
And the other females in the pool,

676
00:37:49,143 --> 00:37:50,519
maybe once or twice during the night

677
00:37:50,686 --> 00:37:52,355
they'd come out and check on her.

678
00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:55,983
And she'd screech and cry
and they would just run back.

679
00:37:58,152 --> 00:38:00,363
There was nothing that you could call that,

680
00:38:00,529 --> 00:38:03,532
watching it, besides grief.

681
00:38:05,117 --> 00:38:07,119
Those are not your whales.

682
00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:10,206
You know, you love them and you'll think,

683
00:38:10,373 --> 00:38:13,751
"I'm the one that touches them,
feeds them, keeps them alive,

684
00:38:13,918 --> 00:38:16,212
gives them the care
that they need."

685
00:38:16,379 --> 00:38:18,714
They're not your whales.

686
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:20,007
They own them.

687
00:38:21,384 --> 00:38:23,761
Kasatka and Takara were very close.

688
00:38:23,928 --> 00:38:27,723
Kasatka was the mother, Takara's the calf.

689
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:29,725
Takara was special to me.

690
00:38:30,851 --> 00:38:33,396
They were inseparable.

691
00:38:33,562 --> 00:38:36,148
When they separated Kasatka and Takara,

692
00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:38,192
it was to take Takara to Florida.

693
00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:42,738
Once Takara had already been
stretchered out of the pool,

694
00:38:42,905 --> 00:38:46,158
put on the truck, driven to the airport...

695
00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:51,330
Kasatka continued to make vocals

696
00:38:51,497 --> 00:38:53,457
that had never been heard before.

697
00:38:53,624 --> 00:38:55,292
They brought in

698
00:38:55,459 --> 00:38:58,671
the senior research scientists
to analyze the vocals.

699
00:38:58,838 --> 00:39:01,757
They were long-range vocals.

700
00:39:01,924 --> 00:39:04,385
She was trying something

701
00:39:04,552 --> 00:39:08,639
that no one had even heard before
looking for Takara.

702
00:39:08,806 --> 00:39:10,349
That's heartbreaking.

703
00:39:11,976 --> 00:39:14,270
How can anyone

704
00:39:14,437 --> 00:39:19,150
look at that and think
that that is morally acceptable?

705
00:39:19,316 --> 00:39:21,193
It's not.

706
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,362
It is not okay.

707
00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:26,866
Stand by, Dean.

708
00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:28,617
Let's go live to SeaWorld

709
00:39:28,784 --> 00:39:31,454
where Dean Gomersall
is joining us for a sneak peek.

710
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:33,622
Hi, Dean.
Tell us about the new show.

711
00:39:33,789 --> 00:39:34,999
Good afternoon, Richard.

712
00:39:35,166 --> 00:39:36,876
The new show is the Whale and Dolphin Discovery.

713
00:39:37,043 --> 00:39:39,170
What it does is it shows
the relationship we have

714
00:39:39,336 --> 00:39:41,297
between all our animals here at the Whale...

715
00:39:41,464 --> 00:39:43,674
There's so many things that were told to us

716
00:39:43,841 --> 00:39:45,968
that they tell us-- they tell you
so many times

717
00:39:46,135 --> 00:39:47,553
that you just--
you start believing it.

718
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,430
So all the animals here get along very well.

719
00:39:49,597 --> 00:39:51,390
It's just like training your dog, really.

720
00:39:51,557 --> 00:39:53,976
I was blind, you know.
I was a kid.

721
00:39:54,143 --> 00:39:56,645
I didn't know what I was doing, really.

722
00:39:56,812 --> 00:39:58,105
- Nice.
- Good job.

723
00:39:58,272 --> 00:39:59,982
You did a real good job.

724
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:09,867
Ladies and gentlemen,
this is David from Maryland.

725
00:40:10,034 --> 00:40:12,578
Go ahead and wave at everyone, David.

726
00:40:12,745 --> 00:40:15,581
I just really bought into what they told us.

727
00:40:15,748 --> 00:40:18,709
You know, I learned to say
what they told us to the audience.

728
00:40:18,876 --> 00:40:19,877
Hello out there.

729
00:40:20,044 --> 00:40:22,046
Children are some of Shamu's biggest fans.

730
00:40:22,213 --> 00:40:24,048
We can do just about anything we want.

731
00:40:24,215 --> 00:40:26,675
I thought I knew everything about
killer whales when I worked there,

732
00:40:26,842 --> 00:40:28,302
you know, and everything about these animals.

733
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:30,096
I really know nothing about killer whales.

734
00:40:30,262 --> 00:40:32,389
I know a lot about being an animal trainer

735
00:40:32,556 --> 00:40:34,266
or a killer whale trainer,
but I don't know anything

736
00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:37,144
about these animals' natural history
or their behavior.

737
00:40:37,311 --> 00:40:40,272
I really in some ways believed a lot
of what I was learning from them,

738
00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:41,816
because why would they lie?

739
00:40:41,982 --> 00:40:47,613
Because the whales in their pools die young,

740
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:52,660
they like to say that all orcas
die at 25 or 30 years.

741
00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:55,412
- 25 to 35 years.
- 25 to 35 years.

742
00:40:55,579 --> 00:40:58,958
They're documented in the wild
living to be about...

743
00:40:59,125 --> 00:41:00,876
35, mid-30s.

744
00:41:01,043 --> 00:41:03,003
They tend to live a lot longer
in this environment

745
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:04,630
because they have all the veterinary care.

746
00:41:04,797 --> 00:41:06,423
And of course that's false.

747
00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:10,928
We knew by 1980, after half a dozen
years of the research,

748
00:41:11,095 --> 00:41:14,682
that they live equivalent to human life spans.

749
00:41:14,849 --> 00:41:19,061
And every other potentially
embarrassing fact is twisted

750
00:41:19,228 --> 00:41:21,605
and turned and denied one way or another.

751
00:41:21,772 --> 00:41:23,107
So, in the wild, they live...

752
00:41:23,274 --> 00:41:24,441
- Less.
- Less.

753
00:41:24,608 --> 00:41:26,360
Like the floppy dorsal fins.

754
00:41:26,527 --> 00:41:30,322
25% of whales have a fin
that turns over like that

755
00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:31,657
as they get older.

756
00:41:31,824 --> 00:41:35,828
Dorsal collapse happens
in less than 1% of wild killer whales.

757
00:41:35,995 --> 00:41:36,996
We know this.

758
00:41:37,163 --> 00:41:42,126
All the captive males
100% have collapsed dorsal fins.

759
00:41:42,293 --> 00:41:45,754
And they say that they're a family,
that the whales are in their family.

760
00:41:45,921 --> 00:41:47,339
They have their pods.

761
00:41:47,506 --> 00:41:51,969
But that's just an artificial
assemblage of their collection,

762
00:41:52,136 --> 00:41:55,347
however management decides they should mix them

763
00:41:55,514 --> 00:41:57,683
and whichever ones happen to be born

764
00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:59,852
or bought and brought in.

765
00:42:00,019 --> 00:42:02,605
That's not a family, you know.
Come on.

766
00:42:03,939 --> 00:42:06,150
You've got animals
from different cultural subsets

767
00:42:06,317 --> 00:42:08,194
that have been brought in from various parks.

768
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,361
These are different nations.

769
00:42:09,528 --> 00:42:11,488
These aren't just two different killer whales.

770
00:42:11,655 --> 00:42:14,241
These animals, they've got different genes,

771
00:42:14,408 --> 00:42:17,494
they use different languages.

772
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,624
Well, what could happen
as a result of them being

773
00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:24,501
thrown in with other whales
that they haven't grown up with,

774
00:42:24,668 --> 00:42:26,962
that are not part of their culture

775
00:42:27,129 --> 00:42:29,131
is there's hyperaggression...

776
00:42:31,634 --> 00:42:34,762
...a lot of violence,
a lot of killing in captivity

777
00:42:34,929 --> 00:42:38,098
that you don't ever see in the wild.

778
00:42:38,265 --> 00:42:40,351
For the health and safety of the animals,

779
00:42:40,517 --> 00:42:42,728
please do not put your hands in the water.

780
00:42:42,895 --> 00:42:44,605
It was always sort of this backdrop,

781
00:42:44,772 --> 00:42:48,651
this underpinning of tension between animals.

782
00:42:48,817 --> 00:42:54,240
Whale-on-whale aggression was
just part of your-- the daily existence.

783
00:42:54,406 --> 00:42:58,285
We ask that you use
the stairs and aisleways as you exit.

784
00:42:58,452 --> 00:43:00,579
Please do not step on the seats.

785
00:43:00,746 --> 00:43:02,581
These areas may become wet

786
00:43:02,748 --> 00:43:05,042
and therefore slippery to some footwear.

787
00:43:05,209 --> 00:43:06,210
Thank you.

788
00:43:06,377 --> 00:43:08,837
♪ Blue wonder... ♪

789
00:43:09,004 --> 00:43:10,714
In the wild, when there's tension,

790
00:43:10,881 --> 00:43:12,716
they've got thousands of square miles

791
00:43:12,883 --> 00:43:16,595
to exit the scene and they can get away.

792
00:43:16,762 --> 00:43:19,265
You don't have that in captivity.

793
00:43:19,431 --> 00:43:22,851
Could you imagine being in a small
concrete enclosure for your life

794
00:43:23,018 --> 00:43:25,604
when you're used to swimming 100 miles a day?

795
00:43:25,771 --> 00:43:29,441
♪ Free-feeling... ♪

796
00:43:29,608 --> 00:43:32,319
Sometimes this aggression became very severe

797
00:43:32,486 --> 00:43:37,283
and, in fact, whales have died
in captivity because of this aggression.

798
00:43:37,449 --> 00:43:38,701
I think it was 1988.

799
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:41,620
Kandu, trying to assert
her dominance over Corky,

800
00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:43,580
rammed Corky.

801
00:43:43,747 --> 00:43:48,294
It fractured her jaw,
which cut an artery in her head

802
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:50,421
and then she bled out.

803
00:43:52,089 --> 00:43:55,259
Now that's got to be a hard way to go down.

804
00:43:57,303 --> 00:44:00,639
I saw that there was just
a lot of things that weren't right.

805
00:44:00,806 --> 00:44:02,474
And there was a lot of it--
misinformation--

806
00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:04,977
and something was amiss.

807
00:44:05,144 --> 00:44:08,063
And, you know, I sort of
compartmentalized that part of it

808
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:10,941
and did the best that I could
with the knowledge that I had

809
00:44:11,108 --> 00:44:12,985
to take care of the animals that were there.

810
00:44:13,152 --> 00:44:15,779
You know, I think all the trainers there
have the same thing in their heart.

811
00:44:15,946 --> 00:44:18,824
They're trying to make a difference
in the lives of the animals.

812
00:44:19,867 --> 00:44:23,787
You think that, "if I leave,
who's going to take care of Tilikum?"

813
00:44:23,954 --> 00:44:27,082
That's why I stayed.
Because I felt sorry for Tilikum.

814
00:44:27,249 --> 00:44:29,084
I mean, if you want to get down
to the nuts and bolts of it,

815
00:44:29,251 --> 00:44:31,545
I stayed because I felt sorry for Tilikum.

816
00:44:31,712 --> 00:44:35,591
And I couldn't bring myself to stop coming

817
00:44:35,758 --> 00:44:37,551
and trying to take care of him.

818
00:44:50,147 --> 00:44:52,024
Gosh, do I love coming out here every day

819
00:44:52,191 --> 00:44:55,778
and having the audience just love
what we're doing with the animals.

820
00:44:55,944 --> 00:44:58,280
How do I make this animal
as beautiful as they are

821
00:44:58,447 --> 00:45:00,908
and have people walk away loving this animal?

822
00:45:01,075 --> 00:45:02,493
And they're touched and they're moved

823
00:45:02,659 --> 00:45:05,371
and I feel like I made a difference to them.

824
00:45:05,537 --> 00:45:07,998
I left in January of 2010,

825
00:45:08,165 --> 00:45:10,709
a month before Dawn passed away.

826
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:14,296
She was like a safety guru.

827
00:45:14,463 --> 00:45:17,007
I mean, she was always
double-checking,

828
00:45:17,174 --> 00:45:18,842
making sure that everyone
was doing the right thing.

829
00:45:19,009 --> 00:45:21,512
So I remember she would record
every show that she did

830
00:45:21,678 --> 00:45:24,223
and she would watch it and critique herself.

831
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:27,643
She was constantly trying to be better.

832
00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:29,812
When I found out it was Dawn,

833
00:45:29,978 --> 00:45:32,231
I was shocked.

834
00:45:33,273 --> 00:45:35,692
That could have been me.
I could have been the spotter.

835
00:45:35,859 --> 00:45:37,986
What if I was there and I could have saved her?

836
00:45:38,153 --> 00:45:40,739
You know, all these things go through your mind.

837
00:45:52,751 --> 00:45:54,837
John Sillick is the guy who, in 1987,

838
00:45:55,003 --> 00:45:58,298
was crushed between two whales
at SeaWorld of San Diego.

839
00:45:58,465 --> 00:46:01,677
Now, even though I'd been working
at SeaWorld for six months,

840
00:46:01,844 --> 00:46:03,595
I had no idea that that had even happened.

841
00:46:03,762 --> 00:46:05,013
I never even heard that story.

842
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:08,434
And the SeaWorld party line was that,
well, that was-- it was a trainer error.

843
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,477
It was John's fault.
You know, John's fault.

844
00:46:10,644 --> 00:46:12,187
He was supposed to get off that whale.

845
00:46:12,354 --> 00:46:15,107
And for years, I believed that
and I told people that.

846
00:46:23,157 --> 00:46:26,743
I actually started at SeaWorld, like,
five days after that event occurred

847
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:29,788
and we didn't--
we weren't told much about it

848
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:33,083
other than it was trainer error.

849
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:36,336
And, you know, especially
when you're new into the program,

850
00:46:36,503 --> 00:46:37,754
you don't really question a whole lot.

851
00:46:37,921 --> 00:46:40,007
Well, you know, years later,
when you actually look at the footage,

852
00:46:40,174 --> 00:46:42,134
you go, "You know what?
He didn't do anything wrong."

853
00:46:42,301 --> 00:46:43,719
That whale just landed on him, you know.

854
00:46:43,886 --> 00:46:46,180
That whale just went to the wrong spot.

855
00:46:46,346 --> 00:46:47,890
It could have been aggression.
Who knows?

856
00:46:48,056 --> 00:46:51,059
But it was not the trainer's fault
at all, watching that video.

857
00:46:55,772 --> 00:46:59,151
When I saw the video
of the killer whale landing on John,

858
00:46:59,318 --> 00:47:00,861
I mean, it just absolutely took my breath away.

859
00:47:01,028 --> 00:47:02,029
L9aSped.

860
00:47:02,196 --> 00:47:03,238
I watched it two or three times,

861
00:47:03,405 --> 00:47:04,823
and every time I saw that, I just gasped.

862
00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:06,408
I could not believe what I was seeing.

863
00:47:06,575 --> 00:47:08,368
What kept his body together is--

864
00:47:08,535 --> 00:47:10,412
his wetsuit basically held him together.

865
00:47:10,579 --> 00:47:11,955
But I know he's had multiple surgeries

866
00:47:12,122 --> 00:47:14,249
and he's got tons of hardware in his body.

867
00:47:14,416 --> 00:47:17,419
And it's hard for me to believe
that I didn't actually see that video

868
00:47:17,586 --> 00:47:19,796
while I was actually an animal trainer

869
00:47:19,963 --> 00:47:22,007
because it seems to me that every person

870
00:47:22,174 --> 00:47:24,593
who works with killer whales
should have to watch that video.

871
00:47:29,431 --> 00:47:31,642
Tamarie--

872
00:47:31,808 --> 00:47:33,894
you know, Tamarie made mistakes.

873
00:47:34,061 --> 00:47:37,231
The most important one
was interacting with whales

874
00:47:37,397 --> 00:47:39,233
without a spotter.

875
00:47:40,651 --> 00:47:43,362
So she's putting her foot on Orkid,

876
00:47:43,529 --> 00:47:44,988
she's taking her foot off.

877
00:47:45,155 --> 00:47:48,659
She's putting her foot on Orkid,
her rostrum, she's taking it off.

878
00:47:48,825 --> 00:47:51,411
Watching the video, knowing Orkid,

879
00:47:51,578 --> 00:47:55,123
your stomach drops because you know
what's probably going to happen.

880
00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:57,668
She grabbed her foot.

881
00:47:57,834 --> 00:48:01,004
Tamarie whips around and she grabs the gate.

882
00:48:01,171 --> 00:48:03,840
You see herjust ripped from the gate.

883
00:48:05,968 --> 00:48:08,428
At this point, Tamarie knows
that she's in trouble.

884
00:48:08,595 --> 00:48:09,888
She's under the water.

885
00:48:10,055 --> 00:48:12,057
Splash and Orkid both have her.

886
00:48:12,224 --> 00:48:13,892
She's totally out of view.

887
00:48:14,059 --> 00:48:16,603
No other trainer knows that this is happening.

888
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:18,021
People start to scream.

889
00:48:18,188 --> 00:48:21,316
It was a park guest that was filming it.

890
00:48:21,483 --> 00:48:23,235
You hear-- you don't see her,

891
00:48:23,402 --> 00:48:26,905
but you hear Tamarie surface.

892
00:48:27,072 --> 00:48:30,576
You hear herjust scream out,
"Somebody help me."

893
00:48:30,742 --> 00:48:33,161
And the way she screamed it,

894
00:48:33,328 --> 00:48:34,830
it was just
such a bloodcurdling--

895
00:48:34,997 --> 00:48:38,083
like she knew she was going to die.

896
00:48:39,585 --> 00:48:42,838
Robin-- when he ran over,
he made a brilliant decision.

897
00:48:43,005 --> 00:48:46,383
He told a trainer to run and take
the chain off Kasatka's gate.

898
00:48:47,509 --> 00:48:50,178
By taking that chain off,
it would give the precursor to Orkid

899
00:48:50,345 --> 00:48:51,930
that Kasatka was coming in.

900
00:48:52,097 --> 00:48:55,017
Kasatka's more dominant than Orkid,

901
00:48:55,183 --> 00:48:58,061
so Orkid let her go.

902
00:48:58,228 --> 00:49:02,482
Her arm, it was U-shaped.

903
00:49:02,649 --> 00:49:04,860
It was compound fractured.

904
00:49:06,903 --> 00:49:10,115
She's very lucky to be alive, that's for sure.

905
00:49:23,503 --> 00:49:26,214
I believe it's 70 plus, maybe even more,

906
00:49:26,381 --> 00:49:28,884
just killer whale trainer accidents.

907
00:49:29,051 --> 00:49:33,388
Maybe 30 of them happened prior to me
being actually hired at SeaWorld.

908
00:49:33,555 --> 00:49:34,848
And I knew about none of them.

909
00:49:38,977 --> 00:49:41,772
I've seen animals come out at trainers.

910
00:49:46,693 --> 00:49:48,236
Something's wrong.

911
00:49:48,403 --> 00:49:49,905
I've seen people get slammed.

912
00:50:02,876 --> 00:50:06,797
The whales, they're just playing or--
or they're upset for a second.

913
00:50:15,722 --> 00:50:17,849
It was just something that happened, you know?

914
00:50:18,016 --> 00:50:20,519
This culture of "You get back on the horse

915
00:50:20,686 --> 00:50:22,396
and you dive back in the water.

916
00:50:22,562 --> 00:50:25,440
And if you're hurt, well, then we've got
other people that will replace you."

917
00:50:25,607 --> 00:50:28,026
And, "You came a long way.
Are you sure you want that?"

918
00:50:37,661 --> 00:50:39,788
A SeaWorld trainer is recovering today

919
00:50:39,955 --> 00:50:43,375
after a terrifying ordeal
in front of a horrified audience.

920
00:51:09,443 --> 00:51:12,988
For some reason,
the whale just took a different approach

921
00:51:13,155 --> 00:51:14,948
to what it was going to do

922
00:51:15,115 --> 00:51:18,410
with a very senior,
very experienced trainer, Ken Peters,

923
00:51:18,577 --> 00:51:20,287
and dragged him to the bottom of the pool

924
00:51:20,454 --> 00:51:22,080
and held him at the bottom.

925
00:51:23,915 --> 00:51:26,251
Let him go, picked him up,

926
00:51:26,418 --> 00:51:27,836
took him down again.

927
00:51:34,885 --> 00:51:39,556
And these periods he was taken down
were pretty close to the mark.

928
00:51:39,723 --> 00:51:43,518
You know, a minute, a minute 20.

929
00:51:48,064 --> 00:51:50,192
When he was at the surface, he didn't panic,

930
00:51:50,358 --> 00:51:52,027
he didn't thrash, he didn't scream.

931
00:51:52,194 --> 00:51:53,987
Maybe he's just built that way.

932
00:51:54,154 --> 00:51:56,865
But he stroked the whale.

933
00:52:00,994 --> 00:52:03,830
And the whale let go of one foot
and grabbed the other.

934
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:25,769
That's a pretty deep pool
and he took him right down.

935
00:52:25,936 --> 00:52:28,396
I think that's to two atmospheres of pressure.

936
00:52:28,563 --> 00:52:31,691
Apparently, Mr. Peters
is an experienced scuba diver

937
00:52:31,858 --> 00:52:33,443
and I think that knowledge probably contributed

938
00:52:33,610 --> 00:52:35,529
to how he was able to be hauled down there

939
00:52:35,695 --> 00:52:38,865
that quickly and stay calm and know what to do.

940
00:52:41,284 --> 00:52:44,287
He knew what he was doing because
you can see him actually in the film.

941
00:52:44,454 --> 00:52:46,122
It's-- the def is so good,
you can see him ventilating.

942
00:52:46,289 --> 00:52:47,958
You can see him ventilating really hard.

943
00:52:48,124 --> 00:52:51,211
So he knows about swimming
and diving and being underwater.

944
00:52:51,378 --> 00:52:54,673
He may have been assuming
he was going under again.

945
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,511
I did not walk away unimpressed
by his calm demeanor

946
00:52:59,678 --> 00:53:01,471
during that whole affair.

947
00:53:04,891 --> 00:53:06,852
I would be scared shitless.

948
00:53:25,287 --> 00:53:27,289
He was near to the end.

949
00:53:29,165 --> 00:53:33,712
Presumably, Ken Peters
had a relationship with this whale.

950
00:53:33,879 --> 00:53:36,381
Maybe he did.
Maybe that's what saved him.

951
00:53:36,548 --> 00:53:40,385
But Peters got the whale to let him go.

952
00:53:41,761 --> 00:53:43,305
And they strung a net across.

953
00:53:51,938 --> 00:53:56,484
And Ken Peters pulled himself
over the float line

954
00:53:56,651 --> 00:53:59,571
and swam like a demon
to a slide-out

955
00:53:59,738 --> 00:54:02,449
because the whale was coming right behind him.

956
00:54:02,616 --> 00:54:04,951
The whale jumped over and came right after him.

957
00:54:05,118 --> 00:54:06,328
He tried to stand up and run.

958
00:54:06,494 --> 00:54:07,579
Of course, his feet were damaged.

959
00:54:07,746 --> 00:54:10,749
I mean, he just fell and he scrambled.

960
00:54:13,043 --> 00:54:14,920
And they take this as a prime example

961
00:54:15,086 --> 00:54:16,671
of their training working.

962
00:54:16,838 --> 00:54:20,634
And they say, "Just stand back
and stay calm," and that did work.

963
00:54:21,676 --> 00:54:25,263
They claim this as a victory

964
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:27,390
of how they do business.

965
00:54:32,479 --> 00:54:35,774
And maybe so, but it can also be interpreted

966
00:54:35,941 --> 00:54:39,486
as a hair's breadth away from another fatality.

967
00:54:46,284 --> 00:54:48,078
Hi, Shamu.
Hi, everybody.

968
00:54:48,244 --> 00:54:50,622
We're the Johnsons from Detroit, Michigan.

969
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:52,666
We sure had a great time
when we visited SeaWorld.

970
00:54:52,832 --> 00:54:54,250
It's one of our favorite places.

971
00:54:54,417 --> 00:54:57,671
Yeah, I like the part when Shamu
gets everybody wet.

972
00:54:57,837 --> 00:54:59,965
When the whales get close to the glass

973
00:55:00,131 --> 00:55:01,591
and start kicking out the water?

974
00:55:01,758 --> 00:55:03,343
Whamo!
You're a goner.

975
00:55:13,228 --> 00:55:17,232
Orange County's sheriff's deputies
have identified the 27-year-old man

976
00:55:17,399 --> 00:55:20,235
found dead in a killer whale's tank at SeaWorld.

977
00:55:20,402 --> 00:55:24,155
The victim is Daniel P. Dukes
from South Carolina.

978
00:55:24,322 --> 00:55:27,158
Dukes was found yesterday
draped over the back of Tilikum,

979
00:55:27,325 --> 00:55:30,161
the largest orca held in captivity.

980
00:55:30,328 --> 00:55:33,456
Well, all I know is
the public relations version of it--

981
00:55:33,623 --> 00:55:36,501
he was a young man that had been arrested

982
00:55:36,668 --> 00:55:39,295
not long before he snuck into SeaWorld.

983
00:55:39,462 --> 00:55:41,131
Maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence

984
00:55:41,297 --> 00:55:44,509
around the perimeter and stayed after hours.

985
00:55:44,676 --> 00:55:48,138
Perfect story line--
a mentally disturbed guy

986
00:55:48,304 --> 00:55:51,141
hides in the park after hours
and strips his clothes off

987
00:55:51,307 --> 00:55:54,394
and decides he wants to have
a magical experience with an orca

988
00:55:54,561 --> 00:55:57,439
and drowns because he became hypothermic.

989
00:55:57,605 --> 00:55:59,482
Right.
So that's the story line

990
00:55:59,649 --> 00:56:01,443
and none of us were there
to know the difference.

991
00:56:01,609 --> 00:56:05,155
He was not detected by the night watch trainers

992
00:56:05,321 --> 00:56:07,365
who were presumably at that station.

993
00:56:07,532 --> 00:56:09,367
There are cameras all over SeaWorld.

994
00:56:09,534 --> 00:56:11,786
There are cameras all over
the back of Shamu Stadium

995
00:56:11,953 --> 00:56:12,954
pointing every which way.

996
00:56:13,121 --> 00:56:15,206
There are underwater cameras.

997
00:56:15,373 --> 00:56:19,252
I find it hard to believe
that nobody knew until the morning

998
00:56:19,419 --> 00:56:21,254
that there was a body in there.

999
00:56:21,421 --> 00:56:24,049
They have a night watch trainer every night.

1000
00:56:24,215 --> 00:56:27,218
That person didn't hear
any splashing or screaming?

1001
00:56:27,385 --> 00:56:30,722
I mean, I just find that really suspicious.

1002
00:56:30,889 --> 00:56:32,182
One of the employees--

1003
00:56:32,348 --> 00:56:34,267
I don't know if it was
a physical therapist or somebody--

1004
00:56:34,434 --> 00:56:38,688
was coming in in the morning
and there was Tilikum,

1005
00:56:38,855 --> 00:56:41,608
you know, with a dead guy,
a dead, naked guy on his back,

1006
00:56:41,775 --> 00:56:45,820
kind of parading him around the back pool.

1007
00:56:45,987 --> 00:56:48,615
The public relations spin on this was that

1008
00:56:48,782 --> 00:56:52,327
he was kind of a drifter
and died of hypothermia.

1009
00:56:52,494 --> 00:56:56,164
But the medical examiner reports

1010
00:56:56,331 --> 00:56:58,333
were more graphic than that.

1011
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,127
For example, Tilikum stripped him,

1012
00:57:01,294 --> 00:57:02,796
bit off his genitals.

1013
00:57:02,962 --> 00:57:05,381
There was bite marks all over his body.

1014
00:57:05,548 --> 00:57:09,469
Now, whether that was post-death
or pre-death, I don't know.

1015
00:57:09,636 --> 00:57:12,263
But, yeah, all I can comment on

1016
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:15,391
is that the guy definitely
jumped in the wrong pool.

1017
00:57:22,649 --> 00:57:25,276
So why keep Tilikum there?

1018
00:57:25,443 --> 00:57:28,154
This guy, he has a proven
track record of killing people.

1019
00:57:28,321 --> 00:57:31,074
He's clearly a liability to the institution.

1020
00:57:31,241 --> 00:57:34,160
Why keep him around?
Well, it's quite simple to answer.

1021
00:57:34,327 --> 00:57:36,663
And that is that his semen
is worth a lot of money.

1022
00:57:46,422 --> 00:57:48,299
Over the years, Tilikum has been

1023
00:57:48,466 --> 00:57:51,177
one of the main breeding whales at SeaWorld.

1024
00:57:54,931 --> 00:57:57,934
It's brilliant because they can
inseminate way more female whales,

1025
00:57:58,101 --> 00:58:00,103
because they can just
get his sperm and freeze it.

1026
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:02,313
And then he's basically
operating as a sperm bank.

1027
00:58:04,107 --> 00:58:06,401
In a reputable breeding program, rule number one

1028
00:58:06,568 --> 00:58:09,362
is you certainly would not breed
an animal that has shown

1029
00:58:09,529 --> 00:58:12,198
a history of aggression towards humans.

1030
00:58:12,365 --> 00:58:15,368
Imagine if you had a pit bull who had killed.

1031
00:58:15,535 --> 00:58:17,537
That animal would have likely been put down.

1032
00:58:17,704 --> 00:58:19,581
But in the entire
SeaWorld collection--

1033
00:58:19,747 --> 00:58:23,126
it's like 54% of the whales
in SeaWorld's collection

1034
00:58:23,293 --> 00:58:26,004
now have Tilikum's genes.

1035
00:58:39,225 --> 00:58:42,061
The fall is to assume that
all killer whales are like Tilikum.

1036
00:58:42,228 --> 00:58:44,189
You have to look at their
learning history from birth.

1037
00:58:44,355 --> 00:58:47,817
You have to understand why Tilikum was a hazard

1038
00:58:47,984 --> 00:58:49,569
to anybody in the water.

1039
00:58:49,736 --> 00:58:52,947
And you have to understand that none
of the other killer whales at SeaWorld

1040
00:58:53,114 --> 00:58:54,365
that are in that system are that way.

1041
00:58:54,532 --> 00:58:56,993
What about the incident at Loro Parque?

1042
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,620
First of all, I-- I can't--

1043
00:58:58,786 --> 00:59:02,832
I can't speak with specificity
about Loro Parque.

1044
00:59:02,999 --> 00:59:04,918
I wasn't there.

1045
00:59:05,084 --> 00:59:07,295
In fact, I know very little about it.

1046
00:59:07,462 --> 00:59:09,923
Probably about as much
as the general public knows.

1047
01:00:13,152 --> 01:00:15,613
Loro Parque, it's in the Canary Islands,

1048
01:00:15,780 --> 01:00:17,907
which is an autonomous region of Spain.

1049
01:00:18,074 --> 01:00:21,119
It's the largest tourist attraction
in all of Spain.

1050
01:00:26,666 --> 01:00:29,669
And when SeaWorld sent the orcas to Loro Parque,

1051
01:00:29,836 --> 01:00:32,255
everybody was always questioning,

1052
01:00:32,422 --> 01:00:37,427
like, how did they make
that leap to send four young orcas

1053
01:00:37,593 --> 01:00:40,555
to a park off the west coast of Africa

1054
01:00:40,722 --> 01:00:45,435
with trainers who-- a lot of them
had never been around orcas before?

1055
01:00:47,562 --> 01:00:49,314
Nothing was ready.

1056
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,857
The venue wasn't ready.

1057
01:00:51,024 --> 01:00:54,485
It wasn't ready for the orcas,
it wasn't ready for a show.

1058
01:00:54,652 --> 01:00:57,155
The owner of the park
didn't want to lose revenue

1059
01:00:57,322 --> 01:00:59,782
by shutting down the pools and repairing them.

1060
01:00:59,949 --> 01:01:01,951
So for three years, the animals ate the pools

1061
01:01:02,118 --> 01:01:04,120
and for three years
the animals had problems--

1062
01:01:04,287 --> 01:01:06,956
with their teeth, with their stomachs.

1063
01:01:07,123 --> 01:01:08,583
So that's the reason why these animals

1064
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:10,793
are enduring the endoscope procedures.

1065
01:01:12,378 --> 01:01:14,213
Back up.
Now back up, back up.

1066
01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:16,257
Those are still SeaWorld's animals

1067
01:01:16,424 --> 01:01:18,718
and they are responsible for those animals.

1068
01:01:28,644 --> 01:01:31,439
Loro Parque doesn't have a good reputation.

1069
01:01:31,606 --> 01:01:35,318
People that work in the business
know the reputation of places

1070
01:01:35,485 --> 01:01:38,571
and Loro Parque does not have a good reputation.

1071
01:01:38,738 --> 01:01:41,866
They didn't spend the same amount
of time as the SeaWorld trainers,

1072
01:01:42,033 --> 01:01:43,951
did not go through the same regimen

1073
01:01:44,118 --> 01:01:46,913
that the SeaWorld trainers went through.

1074
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,707
You know, and Alexis really was
the best trainer.

1075
01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,877
And I did say-- I said,
"You're the only trainer there

1076
01:01:53,044 --> 01:01:56,422
that can hold his own
with a SeaWorld trainer."

1077
01:01:56,589 --> 01:01:58,925
And I said, "But you need
to be careful."

1078
01:02:32,708 --> 01:02:34,544
Anywhere along the line
it could have been stopped

1079
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:37,296
because everyone knew
it was a tragedy waiting to happen.

1080
01:02:37,463 --> 01:02:40,007
But no one ever did anything about it.

1081
01:02:40,174 --> 01:02:41,509
And in the end,

1082
01:02:41,676 --> 01:02:44,595
it was the best trainer who lost his life.

1083
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:04,944
Those were SeaWorld's whales.

1084
01:05:05,111 --> 01:05:07,488
They were trained using SeaWorld's techniques.

1085
01:05:08,573 --> 01:05:12,868
And their training was being supervised
at the time of the fatal accident

1086
01:05:13,035 --> 01:05:17,123
by one of their senior trainers from San Diego.

1087
01:05:39,103 --> 01:05:42,398
For somebody to get up and say in a court of law

1088
01:05:42,565 --> 01:05:45,985
they have no knowledge of the linkages

1089
01:05:46,152 --> 01:05:50,197
between SeaWorld
and this park in Tenerife is well--

1090
01:05:50,364 --> 01:05:53,576
either she doesn't know and is telling the truth

1091
01:05:53,743 --> 01:05:55,995
or it's just a bold-faced lie.

1092
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:03,336
As trainers, we never forget
Shamu's true potential.

1093
01:06:03,502 --> 01:06:05,296
We see it each and every day.

1094
01:06:05,463 --> 01:06:09,175
That's why all of our interactions
are very carefully thought out,

1095
01:06:09,342 --> 01:06:11,427
especially our water work interaction.

1096
01:06:11,594 --> 01:06:13,095
Whoa!

1097
01:06:20,728 --> 01:06:22,938
You big dork.

1098
01:06:23,105 --> 01:06:25,066
Especially our water work interactions

1099
01:06:25,232 --> 01:06:27,943
because they're potentially the most dangerous.

1100
01:06:28,110 --> 01:06:31,739
I'd been expecting it
since the second person was killed.

1101
01:06:31,906 --> 01:06:35,117
I'd been expecting somebody
to be killed by Tilikum.

1102
01:06:35,284 --> 01:06:36,911
I'm surprised it took as long as it did.

1103
01:06:37,078 --> 01:06:39,121
First tonight,
a six-ton killer whale

1104
01:06:39,288 --> 01:06:41,957
has lived up to its name,
killing an experienced trainer

1105
01:06:42,124 --> 01:06:44,251
at SeaWorld, Orlando, today.

1106
01:06:44,418 --> 01:06:45,878
A tourist at an earlier show

1107
01:06:46,045 --> 01:06:47,880
said the animal seemed agitated.

1108
01:06:48,047 --> 01:06:51,175
Trainers complained
the whales weren't cooperating.

1109
01:06:51,342 --> 01:06:53,469
The whole show, the main show,

1110
01:06:53,636 --> 01:06:55,513
was a disaster that day.

1111
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,848
There was, you know, whales chasing each other

1112
01:06:58,015 --> 01:07:00,351
and eventually the trainers decided
that they had to stop the show

1113
01:07:00,518 --> 01:07:02,353
because they couldn't
get the whales under control.

1114
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,730
Tilikum was in the back pool

1115
01:07:04,897 --> 01:07:09,735
set up to do a Dine with Shamu
performance with Dawn.

1116
01:07:09,902 --> 01:07:13,322
Likely she saw what had gone on
during the main show

1117
01:07:13,489 --> 01:07:17,034
and so she had probably felt
more pressure to do a good show.

1118
01:07:18,828 --> 01:07:20,663
Yay!

1119
01:07:20,830 --> 01:07:22,790
When you watch the whole video, you can see

1120
01:07:22,957 --> 01:07:25,626
that Tilikum is actually really with Dawn

1121
01:07:25,793 --> 01:07:27,545
in the beginning of the video.

1122
01:07:30,089 --> 01:07:32,717
There's a couple of behaviors
that she asks him to do

1123
01:07:32,883 --> 01:07:34,844
where Tilikum justjumps right in

1124
01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:37,388
and he does exactly what she asks him to do.

1125
01:07:43,644 --> 01:07:45,521
There seemed to be a point in the session

1126
01:07:45,688 --> 01:07:47,982
where things went south, so to speak.

1127
01:07:48,149 --> 01:07:49,692
And in my humble opinion,

1128
01:07:49,859 --> 01:07:53,320
it was at that missed bridge--
whistle bridge,

1129
01:07:53,487 --> 01:07:55,364
on the perimeter pec wave.

1130
01:07:55,531 --> 01:07:58,075
She asked him to do a perimeter pec wave

1131
01:07:58,242 --> 01:08:01,954
where she asked him to basically
go all the way around the pool

1132
01:08:02,121 --> 01:08:03,706
and wave his pectoral flipper.

1133
01:08:06,083 --> 01:08:08,961
And she blows her whistle...

1134
01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:10,629
- There we go.
- ...which is a bridge,

1135
01:08:10,796 --> 01:08:12,840
which tells the animal that, okay,
you've done a good job.

1136
01:08:13,007 --> 01:08:14,133
Come back and get food.

1137
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:16,010
But he missed that cue.

1138
01:08:17,219 --> 01:08:19,555
He likes waving so much.
That's beyond waving.

1139
01:08:19,722 --> 01:08:21,891
And he went all the way around the pool

1140
01:08:22,057 --> 01:08:23,851
on this perimeter pec wave.

1141
01:08:24,018 --> 01:08:25,936
That's all right.
We're going to let him keep on waving.

1142
01:08:27,354 --> 01:08:29,690
My interpretation is that
he didn't hear the whistle.

1143
01:08:29,857 --> 01:08:32,318
So not only did he not hear the bridge,

1144
01:08:32,485 --> 01:08:34,987
then he went and did
a perfect behavior and came back,

1145
01:08:35,154 --> 01:08:38,699
and what he got was what we call
a three-second neutral response,

1146
01:08:38,866 --> 01:08:40,242
which is just a way to let the animal know,

1147
01:08:40,409 --> 01:08:41,827
"No, you didn't do the correct thing.

1148
01:08:41,994 --> 01:08:44,288
You're not going to get rewarded.
And then we're going to move on."

1149
01:08:44,455 --> 01:08:45,831
And then you can also see through the video

1150
01:08:45,998 --> 01:08:48,000
that Dawn is running out of food.

1151
01:08:49,126 --> 01:08:50,669
The animals can sense

1152
01:08:50,836 --> 01:08:52,963
when you're getting to the bottom
of your bucket of fish,

1153
01:08:53,130 --> 01:08:55,341
because they can hear the ice clanging around

1154
01:08:55,508 --> 01:08:57,968
and the kind of fishy, soupy water
at the bottom.

1155
01:08:58,135 --> 01:09:01,722
And the handfuls of fish that
they're getting delivered by the trainer

1156
01:09:01,889 --> 01:09:03,182
are all getting smaller.

1157
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:06,352
So they know that they're coming down
to the end of session.

1158
01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:08,813
When you see the difference
between the beginning of the video

1159
01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:10,606
and the end of the video, you can see

1160
01:09:10,773 --> 01:09:14,193
that he's just not quite on his game anymore.

1161
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,486
There was no food left.

1162
01:09:15,653 --> 01:09:18,447
She kept asking him for more and more behaviors.

1163
01:09:18,614 --> 01:09:20,324
He wasn't getting reinforced for the behaviors

1164
01:09:20,491 --> 01:09:21,617
that he was doing correctly.

1165
01:09:21,784 --> 01:09:24,829
He probably was frustrated towards the end.

1166
01:09:26,622 --> 01:09:29,959
Then she walked around the perimeter of G pool.

1167
01:09:30,125 --> 01:09:31,836
He followed her.

1168
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:39,969
And then continued over
into the rocky ledge area

1169
01:09:40,135 --> 01:09:44,431
where she laid down with him
to do a relationship session,

1170
01:09:44,598 --> 01:09:47,518
which is--
it's quiet time, basically.

1171
01:09:47,685 --> 01:09:50,396
Tilikum at some point
grabbed ahold of her left forearm

1172
01:09:50,563 --> 01:09:53,315
and started to drag her
and eventually did a barrel roll

1173
01:09:53,482 --> 01:09:55,109
and pulled her in.

1174
01:09:55,276 --> 01:09:58,070
It may have started as play or frustration

1175
01:09:58,237 --> 01:10:02,783
and clearly escalated to be
very violent behavior

1176
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:05,494
that I think was anything but play.

1177
01:10:05,661 --> 01:10:07,997
In the end, he basically

1178
01:10:08,163 --> 01:10:10,374
just completely mutilated that poor girl.

1179
01:10:13,586 --> 01:10:17,756
They were gathering
all of the trainers at the Texas park.

1180
01:10:17,923 --> 01:10:22,052
He said, "There's been an accident

1181
01:10:22,219 --> 01:10:25,180
at the Florida park
and a trainer was killed."

1182
01:10:26,181 --> 01:10:29,435
Hearing that it was Dawn,
I was-- I couldn't believe it.

1183
01:10:29,602 --> 01:10:31,604
I just remember saying to myself, "Not Dawn.

1184
01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:33,397
It can't be Dawn."

1185
01:10:33,564 --> 01:10:37,943
He said that--
"And he still has her."

1186
01:10:38,110 --> 01:10:40,863
And I just...

1187
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:43,157
was so disturbed by that

1188
01:10:43,324 --> 01:10:47,620
and the reality of how powerless we are.

1189
01:10:47,786 --> 01:10:51,123
Avulsion, laceration, abrasion, fractures.

1190
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:53,792
Fractures and associated hemorrhages.

1191
01:10:53,959 --> 01:10:56,545
Blunt force traumas

1192
01:10:56,712 --> 01:10:59,048
to the main body, to the extremities.

1193
01:11:00,257 --> 01:11:03,761
To see this meted out against a trainer...

1194
01:11:03,928 --> 01:11:06,722
and I cannot fathom the reason.

1195
01:11:06,889 --> 01:11:09,141
It's shocking.

1196
01:11:09,308 --> 01:11:13,145
The lawyer for OSHA asked me
what I thought we'd learned,

1197
01:11:13,312 --> 01:11:14,980
and I'm sitting in the courtroom

1198
01:11:15,147 --> 01:11:19,109
and I've got the Keltie Byrne
case file in one hand

1199
01:11:19,276 --> 01:11:21,028
and I've got Dawn Brancheau in the other.

1200
01:11:21,195 --> 01:11:23,155
And they're almost, to the day, 20 years apart.

1201
01:11:23,322 --> 01:11:25,199
And I'm looking at these two things.

1202
01:11:25,366 --> 01:11:27,868
My only answer is, "Nothing."

1203
01:11:28,035 --> 01:11:30,079
In fact, it's not a damn thing.

1204
01:11:30,245 --> 01:11:31,497
We have not learned a damn thing

1205
01:11:31,664 --> 01:11:34,583
for something like that
to happen 20 years apart.

1206
01:11:35,709 --> 01:11:37,544
Could you tell
if it was an accident or if this--

1207
01:11:37,711 --> 01:11:39,838
Did this female trainer
work with this whale on a regular basis?

1208
01:11:40,005 --> 01:11:43,384
I don't know. What apparently happened
is we had a female trainer

1209
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:45,135
back in the whale holding area.

1210
01:11:45,302 --> 01:11:47,596
She apparently slipped or fell into the tank

1211
01:11:47,763 --> 01:11:50,140
and was fatally injured by one of the whales.

1212
01:11:50,307 --> 01:11:52,601
At first, SeaWorld reported
that a trainer slipped

1213
01:11:52,768 --> 01:11:55,145
and fell in the water and was drowned.

1214
01:11:55,312 --> 01:11:56,814
So that was the first report.

1215
01:11:56,981 --> 01:11:59,441
It wasn't until eyewitness
accounts disputed that

1216
01:11:59,608 --> 01:12:00,859
that they had to go back in their huddle

1217
01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:02,778
and say, "Wait a minute.
We gotta come up with a new plan."

1218
01:12:02,945 --> 01:12:04,488
New tonight--
SeaWorld has confirmed

1219
01:12:04,655 --> 01:12:07,241
the killer whale pulled
the woman into the water.

1220
01:12:07,408 --> 01:12:08,951
She didn't fall into the tank

1221
01:12:09,118 --> 01:12:11,578
as the sheriff's department initially reported.

1222
01:12:11,745 --> 01:12:14,873
The new plan is that he grabbed her ponytail.

1223
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,794
This is a subtle way of placing
the blame on Dawn's shoulders.

1224
01:12:18,961 --> 01:12:20,754
She shouldn't have had a long ponytail,

1225
01:12:20,921 --> 01:12:23,507
or if she did have that ponytail,
it should have been up in a bun.

1226
01:12:23,674 --> 01:12:25,926
Dawn, if she was standing here
with me right now,

1227
01:12:26,093 --> 01:12:29,430
would tell you that it was her mistake

1228
01:12:29,596 --> 01:12:31,348
in allowing that to happen.

1229
01:12:31,515 --> 01:12:33,517
They blamed her.

1230
01:12:33,684 --> 01:12:35,686
How dare you?

1231
01:12:35,853 --> 01:12:39,606
How disrespectful for you to blame her

1232
01:12:39,773 --> 01:12:43,110
when she's not even alive to defend herself.

1233
01:12:43,277 --> 01:12:45,487
He grabbed her ponytail
and pulled her into the water.

1234
01:12:45,654 --> 01:12:47,114
That's as simple as it gets.

1235
01:12:47,281 --> 01:12:49,366
There are photographs
of plenty of other trainers

1236
01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:51,326
doing exactly the same thing that she was doing,

1237
01:12:51,493 --> 01:12:55,873
so I knew that SeaWorld was lying
about the fact that this was her fault.

1238
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,752
The ponytail, in all likelihood, is just a tale.

1239
01:13:01,211 --> 01:13:04,965
The safety spotter, who apparently
didn't actually see the takedown,

1240
01:13:05,132 --> 01:13:06,133
came up with that.

1241
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:08,927
- Are you excited?
- Yeah!

1242
01:13:09,094 --> 01:13:10,763
During the spotter's testimony,

1243
01:13:10,929 --> 01:13:13,807
OSHA pushed him to say
that he wasn't really sure

1244
01:13:13,974 --> 01:13:16,268
that it was her ponytail
that was in the whale's mouth,

1245
01:13:16,435 --> 01:13:20,189
that he just saw her underwater
and he assumed it was the ponytail.

1246
01:13:20,355 --> 01:13:22,316
OSHA contends that the whale came up

1247
01:13:22,483 --> 01:13:24,193
and grabbed Dawn Brancheau's arm,

1248
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:26,320
saying that that was another level
of aggressiveness.

1249
01:13:26,487 --> 01:13:29,490
And again, SeaWorld is saying
it was not an aggressive move.

1250
01:13:29,656 --> 01:13:31,784
One of SeaWorld's top curators, Chuck Tompkins,

1251
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:34,078
said when Dawn Brancheau
was pulled off that ledge,

1252
01:13:34,244 --> 01:13:37,289
it wasn't necessarily
aggressive behavior by the whale.

1253
01:13:37,456 --> 01:13:41,043
The initial grab was not an act of aggression.

1254
01:13:41,210 --> 01:13:43,420
This is not a crazed animal.

1255
01:13:43,587 --> 01:13:45,798
The industry has a vested interest
in spinning these

1256
01:13:45,964 --> 01:13:48,425
so that the animals continue to appear

1257
01:13:48,592 --> 01:13:51,970
like cuddly teddy bears
that are completely safe.

1258
01:13:52,137 --> 01:13:53,972
You know, that sells a lot of Shamu dolls,

1259
01:13:54,139 --> 01:13:58,143
it sells a lot of tickets at the gate,
and that's the story line

1260
01:13:58,310 --> 01:14:01,355
that they're going to continue
to stick with for as long as they can.

1261
01:14:19,206 --> 01:14:23,836
Recognize that those that say
this is a crazed animal

1262
01:14:24,002 --> 01:14:27,005
that acted out and grabbed Dawn maliciously,

1263
01:14:27,172 --> 01:14:32,553
they want to prove the theorem
that captivity makes animals crazy.

1264
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,346
And that is just false.

1265
01:14:34,513 --> 01:14:36,932
All whales in captivity have a bad life.

1266
01:14:37,099 --> 01:14:38,767
They're all emotionally destroyed.

1267
01:14:38,934 --> 01:14:41,854
They're all psychologically traumatized,

1268
01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:44,690
so they are ticking time bombs.

1269
01:14:44,857 --> 01:14:46,233
It's not just Tilikum.

1270
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,819
We have to separate
what happened to Dawn--

1271
01:14:48,986 --> 01:14:52,114
and, as tragic as it is, no one wants
to ever see it happen again.

1272
01:14:52,281 --> 01:14:54,491
Can SeaWorld create an environment

1273
01:14:54,658 --> 01:14:55,951
where it never happens again?

1274
01:14:56,118 --> 01:14:58,162
Yes, I absolutely believe they can.

1275
01:15:01,540 --> 01:15:03,709
What if there were no SeaWorlds?

1276
01:15:03,876 --> 01:15:07,087
I can't imagine a society, with the value we put

1277
01:15:07,254 --> 01:15:09,798
on marine mammals, if those parks didn't exist.

1278
01:15:09,965 --> 01:15:13,635
I'm not at all interested in having my daughter,

1279
01:15:13,802 --> 01:15:15,387
who is three and a half,

1280
01:15:15,554 --> 01:15:18,348
grow up thinking that it's normalized

1281
01:15:18,515 --> 01:15:21,393
to have these intelligent,
highly evolved animals

1282
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:22,728
in concrete pools.

1283
01:15:22,895 --> 01:15:25,439
I don't want her to think
that's how we treat the kin

1284
01:15:25,606 --> 01:15:28,525
that we find ourselves around on this planet.

1285
01:15:28,692 --> 01:15:30,194
I think it's atrocious.

1286
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,945
This hearing is expected to last all week

1287
01:15:32,112 --> 01:15:34,990
with OSHA continuing to work
toward this theory--

1288
01:15:35,157 --> 01:15:38,660
that SeaWorld knew there was
a calculated risk of injury or death,

1289
01:15:38,827 --> 01:15:41,788
but put trainers in the water
with the whales anyway,

1290
01:15:41,955 --> 01:15:44,082
while SeaWorld will say
that Dawn Brancheau's death

1291
01:15:44,249 --> 01:15:46,001
was an isolated incident.

1292
01:15:46,168 --> 01:15:49,129
Reporting live in Seminole County,
Dave McDaniel, WESH 2 News.

1293
01:15:59,223 --> 01:16:00,224
There's something wrong.

1294
01:16:00,390 --> 01:16:05,395
You know with Tilikum that
there's something wrong and that's--

1295
01:16:05,562 --> 01:16:08,732
when you have a relationship
with that animal and you--

1296
01:16:10,192 --> 01:16:14,571
you understand that he's killing
not to be a savage.

1297
01:16:14,738 --> 01:16:17,407
He's not killing because he's just crazy.

1298
01:16:17,574 --> 01:16:20,410
He's not killing because
he doesn't know what he's doing.

1299
01:16:20,577 --> 01:16:22,246
He's killing because he's frustrated

1300
01:16:22,412 --> 01:16:28,001
and he's got aggravations
and he doesn't know how to--

1301
01:16:28,168 --> 01:16:30,295
he has no outlet for it.

1302
01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:34,091
Now Tilikum is spending
a great deal of time by himself

1303
01:16:34,258 --> 01:16:38,095
and basically floating lifeless in a pool.

1304
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,057
Three hours now...

1305
01:16:42,224 --> 01:16:44,184
and he hasn't moved.

1306
01:16:45,394 --> 01:16:47,104
They try to sugarcoat it by saying,

1307
01:16:47,271 --> 01:16:48,855
"He comes out in the front pool
every once in a while.

1308
01:16:49,022 --> 01:16:50,315
Now he's doing shows."

1309
01:16:50,482 --> 01:16:51,483
Really? You know
what he does in a show?

1310
01:16:53,068 --> 01:16:54,778
He does a few bows

1311
01:16:54,945 --> 01:16:58,490
and then he goes back in his little jail cell.

1312
01:16:58,657 --> 01:16:59,950
That's his life.

1313
01:17:02,035 --> 01:17:04,204
I feel sad for Tilikum.

1314
01:17:04,371 --> 01:17:07,416
A regal thing like him swimming around the tank

1315
01:17:07,582 --> 01:17:09,376
with his fin flopped over like that

1316
01:17:09,543 --> 01:17:12,587
compared to a wild bull killer whale that size,

1317
01:17:12,754 --> 01:17:15,257
which is one of the most kinetic
and dynamic things

1318
01:17:15,424 --> 01:17:16,967
you can imagine...

1319
01:17:19,428 --> 01:17:21,763
I feel sad when I see him.

1320
01:17:28,312 --> 01:17:30,063
It's time to stop the shows.

1321
01:17:30,230 --> 01:17:32,566
It's time to stop forcing animals to perform

1322
01:17:32,733 --> 01:17:34,484
in basically a circus environment.

1323
01:17:34,651 --> 01:17:36,570
And they should release the animals
that are young enough

1324
01:17:36,737 --> 01:17:39,656
and healthy enough to be released,
and the animals like Tilikum

1325
01:17:39,823 --> 01:17:42,617
who are old and sick and have put in
25 years in the industry

1326
01:17:42,784 --> 01:17:44,202
should be released to an open ocean pen

1327
01:17:44,369 --> 01:17:45,579
so they can live out their lives

1328
01:17:45,746 --> 01:17:47,748
and just experience
the natural rhythms of the ocean.

1329
01:17:47,914 --> 01:17:49,708
This is a multibillion-dollar
corporation

1330
01:17:49,875 --> 01:17:53,712
that makes its money
through the exploitation of orcas.

1331
01:17:53,879 --> 01:17:56,214
They're not suitable to have in captivity.

1332
01:17:56,381 --> 01:17:58,592
The whales are really bored.

1333
01:17:58,759 --> 01:18:03,013
You deprive them of all
this environmental stimulation.

1334
01:18:03,180 --> 01:18:05,140
I think that in 50 years,

1335
01:18:05,307 --> 01:18:08,101
we'll look back and go,
"My God, what a barbaric time."

1336
01:18:48,892 --> 01:18:51,520
Dawn Brancheau--
DB, dream big.

1337
01:18:52,521 --> 01:18:56,066
Dawn was the most loving,
giving person you ever met.

1338
01:18:56,233 --> 01:18:59,486
Her smile just radiated.

1339
01:19:08,203 --> 01:19:10,831
She's comp-- she fulfilled her life.

1340
01:19:59,254 --> 01:20:00,922
We saw whales

1341
01:20:01,089 --> 01:20:04,843
swimming in straight lines
with straight dorsal fins.

1342
01:20:06,219 --> 01:20:08,680
I was so honored to be there.

1343
01:20:14,144 --> 01:20:16,563
And I was so thankful that I had sunglasses on

1344
01:20:16,730 --> 01:20:19,983
because the tears were kind of coming out.

1345
01:20:20,150 --> 01:20:22,819
And it was moving.