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Based on Actual Events
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Boston, MA - 1976
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- How's that going?
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- Mother's ballin' and
the uncle is pissed off.
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She's not married?
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Divorced, with 4 kids.
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I guess the Father
was helping out.
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Helping out?
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- Hey, Mr. Burke, they're in
the back talking to the Bishop.
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And Father?
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We put him in the break room.
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- Any press?
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Some guy from the Citizen
but we sent him away.
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None of the big papers.
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Let's keep it that way.
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Who's that?
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Assistant D.A.
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It's gonna be hard to keep
the papers from arraignment.
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What arraignment?
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- You can tell Father Geoghan
it won't be much longer.
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Now Sheila, you know what
I'm going to work...
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The Church does
serve to community...
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But I give you
my personal guaranty...
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that I'm going to take Father
out of the parish....
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and this will
never happen again.
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We'll just be
another moment Paul.
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Of course Father.
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Now Sheila, I'm going to give
you my personal card.
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SPOTLIGHT
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- Losing a good reporter...
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...is always tough.
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Boston Globe
Offices - July 2001
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But losing one
of our best...
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Well, to put it this
eloquently as I can.
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It's a real
kick in the ass.
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But, Robby here
has known Stewart...
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...longer than most
of you been alive.
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So I'll handed off to him.
- Robby.
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Oh, well, thanks Ben.
I think.
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Although I take issue...
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...with your reference
to my seniority.
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I will say that Stewart's
departure is specially...
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painful for me, because...
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For what?
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Stewart, 20 years now?
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Stewart's been more
than willing ...
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to part with his money
at a poker table.
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And, I've got
a kid in college.
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Yeah, but I'm
gonna keep playing.
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Oh, problem solved.
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God speed then.
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Now Stewart, I find the...
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timing of your departure...
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disconcerting.
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A corner office...
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sits empty.
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The new editor
arrives on monday.
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So I'm sorry buddy, but...
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I got to ask you.
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What the hell do you know?
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How's the cake?
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It's really good.
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You saving yours?
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No, that's for Mike.
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I can't ever eat those things,
they are kinda depressing.
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I know.
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Did you see the numbers
from Washington?
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Yeah, very interesting.
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I'm not asking if the PD is
lying, I know they're lying.
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All I'm asking who's behind it?
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Ok, I get it,
you don't wanna talk.
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No Dan, I'm not mad,
I'm hungry.
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I've been talking to you
so long I didn't eat lunch.
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So I'm gonna get
something to eat...
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and I'll give you
an hour to decide...
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whether you want to be on
the right side of this...
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or read about it
like everybody else.
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Bye Dan.
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You think Cahill has something?
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Maybe. I just don't think
the story is for us.
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- Ben likes it?
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- Yeah, it's not bad.
It's just not Spotlight.
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- What's just not Spotlight?
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- PD numbers.
- The numbers story, feels thin.
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Oh, you got Cahill to talk?
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No, but I will.
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Good, then know if it's thin.
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How did it go upstairs?
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Ok, Robby gave a good speech.
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Sure he did.
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I heard Lubin and Conor
are going to the Times.
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- C'mon, really?
- Yeah, I heard that.
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They are leaching us.
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Well, at least they are sending
us a guy from Miami to run things.
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That should help.
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Has Baron even
spent time in Boston?
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He's never been here before.
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Maybe we should buy him a map.
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I have a friend down in Miami,
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said he cut 15% of the stuff.
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- Great.
- Hey Robby?
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New boss coming in
to make some cuts?
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I have no idea.
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Aren't you saying none of them?
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Yes I am.
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So is it about Spotlight?
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I don't know, Mike.
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But I do know...
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...that Ben needs an answer on
that crime number story.
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I'm telling you, I really don't
think that story is for us.
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Mr. Baron.
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Walter Robinson.
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- Robby.
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- Thanks for taking
time out of your...
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- Oh, it's my pleasure.
- Appreciate it.
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- What are you reading?
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- Curse of the Bambino.
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Oh, yeah.
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Great book.
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Globe has a season
tickets at Fenway...
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once you settle in,
by the way.
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Thank you.
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To be honest, I'm, I'm not
much of baseball fan...
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I'm just trying to get
a feel for the city.
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Oh, yeah.
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- So, you're originally from Boston?
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- I am, born and raised, yeah.
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A lot of the newsroom
is from here.
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Really feels like a...
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...like a local paper
in that way.
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And did that
change at all
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after the paper was
sold to the Times?
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- No. I don't think it had
that big of an impact.
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- Good.
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And...you're an editor
for the Spotlight team.
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I prefer to think of myself...
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as a player coach, but yes.
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Are you familiar with the Spotlight?
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No, not particularly.
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Well, we are a four-person
investigative team.
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We report to
Ben Bradlee Jr. and...
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we keep our work confidential.
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- What are you working on now?
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We just put out a
piece on a shoddy...
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construction outfit
and right now...
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we're really just trolling
around for our next story.
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- How long does
that typically take?
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- Hard to say,
a couple months.
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- Couple months?
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Yeah, we don't like to rush it.
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Once we settle on a project...
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we can spend a year
or more investigating.
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- Is that a concern?
- Not necessarily.
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But, from what I understand,
leadership is to how an internet
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is cutting into
the classified business.
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And, I think I'm gonna need
to take a hard look at things.
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So...
You anticipate more cuts?
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I think it's safe
to assume so, but...
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what I'm more focused
on right now is...
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finding a way to make
this paper...
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essential to its readers.
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I like to think
it already is.
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Fair enough. I just think
that we can do better.
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- Mr. Bradlee.
- Hey.
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- Saw the PD numbers, looks interesting?
- Yeah, there's something there.
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- How long do you need?
- Another week.
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- Where are you going?
- 10.30.
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Since when?
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- Technically I am an editor.
- Technically.
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- Your sit down with
Baron go that well?
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- I couldn't get
a read on him.
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That's a first.
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How about you?
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Oh, he's a barrel of laughs.
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Morning, everyone.
Let's get started.
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Do you want to say
something, Marty?
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Sure.
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Hello.
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As most of you
know by now...
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my name is Marty Baron.
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I'm...delighted
to be here.
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If you could tell me your
name as we go around...
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that'd be helpful. Thank you.
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- Ok, Peter.
- Peter Canellos, Metro.
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I've got a major
big date closure...
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- Hey, Steve.
- Mike.
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Hey.
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- Crappy game last night.
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- Hm, they aren't
even worth a nickel.
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Listen, what's, what's Eileen
McNamara doing in 10.30?
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You need something, Mike?
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No. Just curious.
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Go be curious somewhere else.
I got work to do.
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- Okay, Steve, see you.
- Yeah.
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And it looks like Pedro is going
to be out till September 1st.
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Jimmy says he could
be back this year,
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but the doctor didn't
seem so sure.
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Where is the Pez opener?
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- Is that everyone?
- Yes, that's it.
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Ok, good, thank you.
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Did everyone read Eileen
McNamara column this weekend?
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- That's the Geoghan case?
- Yeah. What's the follow on that?
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It's a column, what kind of
follow were you thinking?
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Well, apparently this
priest molested kids...
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in 6 different parishes
over the last 30 years.
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- And the attorney
for the victims, Mr. ...
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- Garabedian.
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Thanks Eileen. Mr. Garabedian
says Cardinal Law...
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found about it 15 years
ago and did nothing.
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Yeah, I think that attorney
is a bit of crank...
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and the Church
dismissed the claim.
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He said, she said.
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Whether Mr. Garabedian
is a crank or not...
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he says he has documents
to prove that Cardinal knew.
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And as I understand that those
documents are under a seal.
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Okay, but the fact remains
that Boston priest...
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abused 80 kids.
We have a lawyer...
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who says he can prove
Law knew about it...
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and we have written all of...
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2 stories in
the last 6 months.
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This strikes me as
an essential story...
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to a local paper.
I think that at very least...
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we have to go through
those documents.
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How would you
like to do that?
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Well, I don't know
what the laws are here,
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but in Florida,
we would go to court.
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You want to sue the Church?
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Technically we wouldn't
sue the Church...
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we'd file a motion to lift
the seal on those documents.
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The Church would read
that as us suing them.
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So will everybody else.
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Good to know.
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Gutsy call for a first day.
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That's one word for it.
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How do you think that's
gonna play down front?
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I think Gilman's
gonna shit a brick.
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- Hey.
- Door.
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How did it go?
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Well, Baron wants to sue for...
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the sealed docs in
the Geoghan case.
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Wants to sue the Church?
Hey, that's great!
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We covered Geoghan when
the story broke 3 years ago.
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Baron was still in Miami.
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Thinking might have been
The Times then actually.
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He wasn't here.
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So do you think that sue
has a chance?
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- Depends on the judge.
- And what parish he belongs to.
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Bradlee. Yeah. Ok.
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Baron wants to talk to us.
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Us?
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Okay, Jim, thank you.
Yes. Okay, thanks.
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I've set up a meeting for
tomorrow with an outside counselor.
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- Jon Albano.
- Yeah.
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Who's the judge in this case?
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- Constance Sweeney.
- Tough.
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- Why is that?
- Good Catholic girl.
257
00:12:13,690 --> 00:12:14,551
So...
258
00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,051
Judging from what
I've read, it doesn't seem...
259
00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,011
like we've done the very thorough
investigation in the Geoghan case?
260
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Is that right?
261
00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:23,011
No. It's not.
262
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,591
We looked hard at Geoghan.
263
00:12:24,780 --> 00:12:26,701
David Armstrong from Metro...
264
00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:28,201
and Michael Polson
through religion.
265
00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:31,741
Okay, but... Just so
that I understand...
266
00:12:31,810 --> 00:12:33,441
Beyond our daily coverage,
267
00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:36,951
we haven't commited any long-
term investigative resources...
268
00:12:36,970 --> 00:12:39,741
to the question whether or not
Cardinal Law knew about this.
269
00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:42,471
No, we haven't.
270
00:12:42,862 --> 00:12:44,631
- And that's the kind of
thing your team would do?
271
00:12:44,860 --> 00:12:47,991
- Spotlight? Well yeah,
but we're still prospecting ...
272
00:12:47,995 --> 00:12:50,250
the Boston PD story
I told you about.
273
00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:53,961
- Could you set that aside?
- We could.
274
00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:57,061
Marty, in the past, Spotlight's
had success in large part ...
275
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because they picked
their own projects.
276
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Would you consider
picking this one?
277
00:13:06,050 --> 00:13:08,181
I don't know if he's
writing about you, but...
278
00:13:08,210 --> 00:13:10,311
I will let him know you called.
Okay, bye.
279
00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:13,441
- Hey.
- Hey, how did it go?
280
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,071
Okay. Baron wants us to
scrub the Geoghan case.
281
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,431
- That's great.
- Didn't we cover Geoghan?
282
00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:24,961
There's a lawyer alleging
Cardinal Law knew about it.
283
00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:27,951
Mitch Garabedian, right? - Yeah.
I covered him at the courthouse.
284
00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:29,221
Can you get to him?
285
00:13:29,260 --> 00:13:31,741
I only interviewed him once.
He's kind of a character.
286
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:32,991
I like characters.
I'll take him.
287
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,261
Good, you take him.
288
00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:35,771
Also we should
be talking to...
289
00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,941
the lawyer who
repped the victims...
290
00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,561
in the Porter case, Eric Macleish.
291
00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,561
- That guy who is always on TV.
292
00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:43,227
- The Porter case? Remind me.
293
00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:45,027
- Yeah, Father Porter. Similar story.
294
00:13:45,130 --> 00:13:47,441
Molested dozens of kids in
Fall River about 10 years ago...
295
00:13:47,470 --> 00:13:48,951
So, we're driving to Boston PD?
296
00:13:49,090 --> 00:13:49,901
I vote yes.
297
00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:51,741
No, we should set that
aside for now. Listen.
298
00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,091
I don't need to
tell you guys this...
299
00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,521
we need to be more
discreet than usual.
300
00:13:55,610 --> 00:13:56,610
All right?
301
00:13:56,830 --> 00:13:59,501
Everybody's gonna be interested
in this. Not just Herald.
302
00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:03,071
We can't get Cardinal Law get on
this till we know what we have.
303
00:14:03,970 --> 00:14:05,121
Good luck with that.
304
00:14:11,550 --> 00:14:12,331
So when are you leaving?
305
00:14:12,370 --> 00:14:15,581
The bus is picking us up at
Church parking lot at 9 o'clock.
306
00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:18,491
- We got 40 going.
- And is Father Dominic going?
307
00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:20,381
No, he says he's unlucky.
308
00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:22,451
But luck has nothing
to do with it.
309
00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:24,881
You know, last time
nana won $160.
310
00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:30,161
- You gonna tell us?
311
00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,961
- We don't even know
if there's a story yet.
312
00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:35,001
Well, club's in Church.
There's gonna be a story.
313
00:14:54,660 --> 00:14:57,551
Hey Lisa, could you pull all the
relative clips on that for me?
314
00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,640
Yeah.
315
00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:00,391
This is for Spotlight?
316
00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,811
Just drop 'em off when
they're ready, thanks.
317
00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:08,111
Excuse me, do you know where
the publishers office is?
318
00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,240
Will do it.
319
00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:16,521
How are you Marty, settling in?
320
00:15:16,890 --> 00:15:18,741
Yeah, I think so.
321
00:15:19,070 --> 00:15:21,291
Good. What can I do for you?
322
00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,751
I'd like to challenge the protective
order in the Geoghan case.
323
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,360
You want to sue the Catholic Church?
324
00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:34,871
We're just filing
the motion, but... Yes.
325
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,601
- You think it's that important?
326
00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,101
- Yes, I do.
327
00:15:39,370 --> 00:15:40,401
Because...
328
00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:43,401
Obviously the Church will
fight us very hard on this.
329
00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,471
Which won't go unnoticed
by our subscriber base,
330
00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:48,471
53% of them are Catholic.
331
00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,581
I think they'll be interested.
332
00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,320
Okay.
333
00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,041
Marty, people will
probably contact you...
334
00:16:05,070 --> 00:16:07,351
about a face to face with the Cardinal.
It's customary.
335
00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,271
Yeah, they already have.
It's set up for next week.
336
00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:13,881
I wouldn't mention this.
337
00:16:25,210 --> 00:16:26,210
Hello?
338
00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:30,750
Hello?
339
00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,091
Can I help you?
340
00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:34,371
Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes
from Boston Globe,
341
00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,031
I'm here to see Mitchell Garabedian.
342
00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:39,761
- He's on a call, please have a seat.
- Okay.
343
00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,321
All right, I'm listening, go ahead.
344
00:16:46,410 --> 00:16:47,410
Okay.
345
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,961
Bill, where the hell
are those papers?
346
00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:52,121
I asked you to put
them on my desk!
347
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:10,151
The famous Walter Robinson
in my conference room.
348
00:17:11,330 --> 00:17:14,271
Good to see you again, Eric.
Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish.
349
00:17:14,290 --> 00:17:15,301
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
350
00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:16,411
Youd don't play golf, do you?
351
00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:20,591
- No. - Good. Your colleague
here, took some money off me...
352
00:17:20,620 --> 00:17:22,161
at the charity event last year.
353
00:17:22,190 --> 00:17:23,501
It was a very lucky putt, I...
354
00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:25,511
actually had my eyes closed,
by the way.
355
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,261
So, how can I help you guys?
356
00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:32,061
You are familiar with
the Geoghan case?
357
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:34,841
Sure, 80 plaintiffs.
358
00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:38,481
All of them individual cases,
Garabedian must be swimming.
359
00:17:38,590 --> 00:17:41,821
Yeah, any allegation
against Cardinal Law?
360
00:17:42,690 --> 00:17:43,891
Yeah, it's tricky.
361
00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,731
This is what you need to understand,
these are shitty cases.
362
00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:52,181
Statute of limitation is only
3 years, and most of these...
363
00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:54,781
victims don't come forward
till long after that.
364
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,551
- Why is that?
365
00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,551
- Well they're kids, you know?
Guilt, shame...
366
00:17:59,670 --> 00:18:01,661
And most of these kids
come from tough neighbourhood,
367
00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:04,551
nobody wants to admit
this kind of thing, so...
368
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:08,481
you're screwed on
the time limit, and...
369
00:18:09,220 --> 00:18:12,411
even if you argue your way around that,
the charitable immunity statute...
370
00:18:12,490 --> 00:18:14,471
caps damages at 20 grand.
371
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,861
20 grand, for molesting a child?
372
00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:21,981
That is the way
the system is set up, yes.
373
00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:25,681
The Church is tough, so...
374
00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:27,831
your best shot is to
try this cases in the press.
375
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:30,251
Like I did on Porter.
376
00:18:30,770 --> 00:18:32,917
But you know, most of the
victims they don't wanna...
377
00:18:32,918 --> 00:18:33,951
have anything do to with TV ...
378
00:18:33,970 --> 00:18:39,131
and Mitch isn't exactly
a people person.
379
00:18:39,610 --> 00:18:43,101
Yeah, if Garabedian can get his
victims to go before the press...
380
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,341
that is really...
381
00:18:44,370 --> 00:18:48,071
That's right, and he has
a long road ahead of him.
382
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,711
My guess is, he doesn't
have anything on Law.
383
00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:54,311
- What do you think,
he's bluffing?
384
00:18:54,730 --> 00:18:57,011
- I think he's grandstanding...
385
00:18:57,030 --> 00:18:58,491
to cut a better deal.
386
00:18:59,170 --> 00:19:01,341
- Seems a bit reckless.
387
00:19:02,170 --> 00:19:03,641
- Have you met Mitch Garabedian?
388
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,851
I asked you to
write me that motion, Bill,
389
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:08,861
I didn't ask you to file it.
390
00:19:19,050 --> 00:19:20,191
Hey Bill...
391
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:33,230
Hi.
392
00:19:34,270 --> 00:19:37,011
- Who are you?
- I'm Mike Rezendes from Boston Globe...
393
00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:38,371
I had an appointment with you,
about an hour ago.
394
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:40,161
I can't talk to you, I'm busy.
Sharon!
395
00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:42,371
She went for coffee,
she said she'll be right back.
396
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,261
I'm not following up
on an article.
397
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,601
- The one in the Phoenix?
- No, in the Globe.
398
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:49,951
- Did you see the one in the Phoenix?
- No, I didn't.
399
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,451
I thought it was very good,
I have a copy here somewhere.
400
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,671
It's all right, I'll track it down.
401
00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:55,621
I'm actually
following up on a column...
402
00:19:55,660 --> 00:19:57,991
that Eileen McNamara
wrote about your suit.
403
00:19:58,010 --> 00:20:00,081
Suits, 84 of them.
404
00:20:00,110 --> 00:20:02,681
It's not a class action,
you should get your facts straight.
405
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:03,710
No, you're right, I should.
406
00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,311
So, I'm trying to get
some background information...
407
00:20:06,340 --> 00:20:07,771
You are not
recording this, are you?
408
00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:10,431
No, I wouldn't
do that without asking.
409
00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:11,801
I can't show you
the Church documents...
410
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:13,571
if that's what you're after.
They're under seal.
411
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,440
Yeah, I know that.
412
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,791
Did you know that
they try to bring me up...
413
00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:20,921
before the Massachusetts
Board of Bar Overseers 3 times?
414
00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:22,291
They are watching me very closely.
415
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,811
- The Church?
- Yeah, the Church. Yeah.
416
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,301
They'd like to get me disbarred,
in fact...put that away.
417
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,081
- Put it away.
- Sure.
418
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,991
I don't want you recording
this in any way, shape or form.
419
00:20:32,010 --> 00:20:34,061
- Not on paper, not on tape, nothing.
- Ok.
420
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,861
In fact, I probably
shouldn't even be speaking to you.
421
00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:36,691
So...
422
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:38,751
Look, Mr. Garabedian,
I know there's...
423
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,701
things, you cannot tell me, but...
424
00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:42,935
I also know there's a story here..
425
00:20:43,035 --> 00:20:44,475
and I think it's an important story.
426
00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:47,621
- I already talked to the Phoenix.
- Yeah, there's a reason I didn't see it.
427
00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:50,211
Nobody reads a Phoenix anymore...
428
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:52,211
they're broke,
they don't have any power.
429
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:53,461
The Globe does.
430
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:56,731
If we cover the story,
everybody will hear about it.
431
00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:00,921
The Church thinks
in centuries, Mr. Rezendes.
432
00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:04,281
Do you think your paper
has resources to take that on?
433
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:05,401
Yeah, I do.
434
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:09,681
But if you don't
mind me asking... Do you?
435
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,161
I can't talk to you right now,
Mr. Rezendes. I'm very, very busy.
436
00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:18,812
- Sharon.
- Thank you.
437
00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:19,819
Yeah, yeah.
438
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,711
Can I at least talk to
some of the clients?
439
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:23,590
Victims? I'd really like to do that.
440
00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:26,141
- Call me tomorrow, I gotta think about it.
- Thank you.
441
00:21:26,170 --> 00:21:27,421
Yeah, yeah.
442
00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:54,411
A FAMILIAR PATTERN
443
00:22:02,150 --> 00:22:04,950
Porter faces Mass. court
as '87 abuse claim arises
444
00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:23,261
- I got more clips from the library.
- Leave 'em right there.
445
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,601
Are you guys doing
a story on the Church?
446
00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:28,771
No, we are not doing
a story on the Church.
447
00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:32,411
Matt. You find anything
on this guy Phil Saviano?
448
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,061
No. Who is he?
449
00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:35,941
He's part of a victims organization.
450
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,741
Kurkjian did a story on him
right after the Porter case.
451
00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:40,601
As of victims organization?
452
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:42,581
Yeah. It's called SNAP.
453
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,951
It's Survivors Network
of those Abused by Priests.
454
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:46,301
Crummy acronym.
455
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:51,561
- Want me to track him down?
- Yeah, bring him in.
456
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,300
How much longer do you need
to get through the clips?
457
00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:56,861
I mean, a few days,
there's a lot.
458
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:58,431
- Lisa is still sending up more.
- Okay.
459
00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:01,211
Hey guys, I think I got
another priest.
460
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,531
Liam Barrett. Molested
some kids in Philly,
461
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,891
and was moved to Boston, did
the same thing and was moved again.
462
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,351
Really?
That sounds like Geoghan.
463
00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:12,711
Is that one of our clips?
464
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:16,171
Yeah, by our Lance Diego, written
in 1987, must have been back...
465
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:17,910
when he worked on religion.
466
00:23:18,290 --> 00:23:20,821
- Was there any follow?
- Not much, only shows one piece.
467
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,631
The Church settled the case.
468
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:28,201
- Don't you know Jim Sullivan?
469
00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:30,201
- Yeah. Why?
470
00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:32,601
Looks like the Church
bought him in to help out
471
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:45,201
Jesus. Should be Manning
on the ball in field.
472
00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:48,061
- Why do you even
bother with that thing?
473
00:23:48,190 --> 00:23:50,261
- It distracts me from the game.
474
00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:52,421
You know what else
is good for that?
475
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:55,691
Oh, yeah. Good idea, buy a round.
I'll be right back.
476
00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:59,161
- Anybody want any food?
- A hotdog.
477
00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:05,021
- So you guys making any progress?
- Absolutely, it's a good story.
478
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,161
Why? Because you're another left
Catholic pissed off at the Church?
479
00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:10,971
- We got a lot of good stuff.
- Like what?
480
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,892
I'm just watching the game. Omerta.
481
00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:18,461
- They got another priest, Liam Barrett.
- We reported it.
482
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:20,551
I'm just saying, we did.
483
00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:22,171
Okay, but this guy
was shuffled a lot...
484
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,761
from parish to parish
every few years ...
485
00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:26,211
just like Geoghan and Porter.
I think there's a pattern.
486
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:29,711
Sounds thin.
What else you got?
487
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,981
Sacha's got another guy from
a victims organization. Phil Saviano.
488
00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:37,121
- From SNAP?
Oh boy, we reported on him too.
489
00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:38,620
I thought you were
watching a game, Steve.
490
00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:41,631
- That guy is pretty paint up, Mike.
- We did a couple stories on him.
491
00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:43,641
- Guy would not stop writing letters.
492
00:24:43,780 --> 00:24:44,781
- He wants a holy war.
493
00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:47,391
- So, he's not worth talking to?
- Where are you on Garabedian?
494
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,261
I'm working on it.
495
00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:50,491
Robby say Macleish
thinks he's bluffing.
496
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,211
- I think there's
something there Ben.
497
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,211
- Get me something solid
or I'm taking you off him.
498
00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:57,351
I don't want us chasing
our tails on this.
499
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:08,001
Stay away from that trap.
500
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:11,201
You couldn't reach that trap
in a million years partner.
501
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,501
- I could reach that trap before.
- Yeah, now Paul.
502
00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:18,071
- How we doin'?
- Good.
503
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:19,941
We're two up in the front.
504
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,401
- How's that new editor working out?
- Well, he doesn't like baseball.
505
00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:29,081
But, he seems like a smart guy.
506
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:31,961
Yeah, I read an article
about him, said he's a...
507
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,280
first Jewish
editor of The Globe.
508
00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:36,711
Must be a slow news day.
509
00:25:38,130 --> 00:25:41,921
- He got a family, this guy?
- No, he is not married.
510
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,791
- Divorced?
- I don't think so, no.
511
00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:47,371
So, the new editor of
The Globe is not married man...
512
00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:49,441
of the Jewish faith
who hates baseball.
513
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:52,241
- Yeah.
- So you give him to Ben.
514
00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:54,201
It's Brad for crying out loud.
515
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:56,811
Didn't raise his hand
fast enough I guess.
516
00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:00,961
Hey by the way, I've been
reading about this priest...
517
00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:03,271
Father Barrett, said you
were involved with that?
518
00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:05,811
Barrett yeah, bad egg.
519
00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:08,731
Leaks that extra help we pitched in.
520
00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:11,741
Victims said
Cardinal Law knew about...
521
00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:14,351
Barrett, when he came
to Philly. Is that true?
522
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,131
You know I can't talk
about the case Robby.
523
00:26:19,570 --> 00:26:20,771
Off the record?
524
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,631
Off the record,
I can't talk about it.
525
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,911
- This related to a lawsuit?
- You know about that?
526
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:30,451
Look.
527
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,640
I don't know this guy Baron...
528
00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:34,831
or what his agenda is.
Frankly, I don't care.
529
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:39,001
I just don't wanna see
you taking a bullet for him.
530
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:40,331
I think you're away.
531
00:26:46,092 --> 00:26:47,684
- Right over here.
- Lets go, lets go.
532
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,881
So the other day I was
on the world wide web.
533
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:54,841
Anything you wanna know,
it's right there.
534
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:58,251
Now, I have to admit
that as a priest,
535
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,131
this makes me
a little nervous.
536
00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:03,451
Should I be worried about
job security?
537
00:27:04,910 --> 00:27:06,451
I don't think so.
538
00:27:06,790 --> 00:27:13,461
You see, knowledge is one thing,
but faith...faith is another.
539
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,361
- Hey.
- Hey.
540
00:27:33,580 --> 00:27:37,671
- Shouldn't you be golfing or something?
- "Golfing" is not a verb.
541
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:40,401
And I couldn't get a tee time.
542
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:42,131
Is that what they
call it, tee time?
543
00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:44,741
They also call it
a leisure activity.
544
00:27:44,770 --> 00:27:46,111
You oughta try it Mike.
545
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:49,201
- I do, I run.
- Yeah, you run to work.
546
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:53,781
So why are you here today?
547
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:56,321
Going over this clips of Saviano.
548
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,621
Yeah, Ben and Steve
thinks it's a dead end.
549
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,691
They gave me a bunch of
crap about it at the game.
550
00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:03,321
- Yeah, Ben emailed me.
- He did?
551
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,521
- Yeah. He said we
should let it go.
552
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:08,321
- What do you wanna do?
553
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:11,451
- We bring Saviano in.
554
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:13,951
- So, just ignore those guys?
555
00:28:17,290 --> 00:28:20,341
I think we got to start
ignoring everybody on this one.
556
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:21,481
I'm good at that.
557
00:28:22,828 --> 00:28:24,060
Huh.
558
00:28:26,770 --> 00:28:30,001
You think Marty has any idea
what's coming down the pike?
559
00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:32,721
No, I don't think
he cares either.
560
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:34,511
That's refreshing.
561
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:36,250
Yeah.
562
00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:39,751
Unless he's wrong.
563
00:28:58,870 --> 00:29:01,881
I have always been fascinated
with the newspaper business.
564
00:29:02,370 --> 00:29:04,261
I used to sit in on
the lectures with...
565
00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:06,151
the Nieman fellows,
when I was at Harvard.
566
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,481
I, I read that you
were an editor once.
567
00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:15,201
Yes. That was
a very long time ago.
568
00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:19,341
The Mississippi Register. Small.
569
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,701
Diocese in newspaper.
570
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,991
But for 30-year-old pastor,
it was a big responsibility.
571
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:29,571
Too much tough times.
572
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:31,900
How so?
573
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:35,991
I was close with
the Everist brothers,
574
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,921
we took a stand on civil rights.
575
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:41,301
Our readership was not pleased.
576
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:44,451
They saw me as a meddling outsider.
577
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:47,111
I can imagine.
578
00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:51,461
Tough seat to sit in,
especially in a small town.
579
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:54,141
I think you'll find that Boston's...
580
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:56,851
still a small town too, Marty.
581
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,391
In any ways.
582
00:29:59,230 --> 00:30:03,731
But if I can be of any help, Marty,
don't hesitate to ask.
583
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,401
I find that the city
flourishes...
584
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:09,591
when its great
institutions works together.
585
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,741
Thank you. Personally,
I'm of the opinion...
586
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:16,291
that for the paper to
best perform its function...
587
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,301
it really needs to stand alone.
588
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:26,411
Of course. But my
offer still stands.
589
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Thank you.
590
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:30,620
Come in.
591
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:35,431
Thank you, Maureen.
592
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,401
Little gift, Marty.
593
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:45,011
Think of it as a cardinal's
guide to the city of Boston.
594
00:30:51,345 --> 00:30:53,895
CATHOLIC CHURCH
CATECHISM
595
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,241
- I'm here to see Sacha Pfeiffer.
- Your name?
596
00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:07,931
- Phil Saviano.
- Okay, just a minute.
597
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:11,991
So, am I the first
survivor you've talked to?
598
00:31:12,330 --> 00:31:14,981
- Yeah, sure you are.
- Okay, well...
599
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,201
First of all, let me say thank
you for having me in today.
600
00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:21,451
And I want you to know
that you'll have...
601
00:31:21,455 --> 00:31:23,871
the full cooperation of
my organization, SNAP.
602
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:26,831
How many members are in
your organization Phil?
603
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,051
We had 11, at our
last chapter meating...
604
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,601
No 10, Karen just moved.
605
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,561
You had a woman
in your group?
606
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:34,951
Of course there was a woman,
607
00:31:34,965 --> 00:31:36,551
they don't discriminate,
not when it comes to abuse.
608
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,461
And this has nothing
to do with being gay.
609
00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:41,201
What this is, is a priest
using the collar to rape kids.
610
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:43,181
Kids, boys and girls.
611
00:31:47,895 --> 00:31:50,246
PHIL SAVIANO
AGE 11
612
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,031
I was 11.
613
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,031
And I was preyed upon
by Father David Holly.
614
00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:56,060
In Wester.
615
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,091
And I don't mean prayed for,
I mean preyed upon.
616
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,591
Are any of you Catholic?
617
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:04,731
I was raised Catholic,
618
00:32:04,734 --> 00:32:06,711
now I go to my wife's
Presbyterian Church.
619
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:11,171
I'm lapsed, I go to the Church
of my grandmother sometimes.
620
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:15,071
It's safe to say we were
all raised Catholic, but now...
621
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:16,201
Not so much.
622
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:18,001
Okay, well let me tell you...
623
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:21,391
When you are poor
kid from a poor family,
624
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:22,661
religion counts for a lot.
625
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:25,761
And when a priest pays attention
to you, it's a big deal.
626
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,951
He ask you to collect the hymnals,
627
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:30,001
or take out the trash,
you feel special.
628
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:32,451
It's like God asking for help.
629
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:35,065
Maybe it's a little weird when
he tells you a dirty joke...
630
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,771
but now you got
a secret together.
631
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:39,431
So you go along.
632
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:42,071
Then he shows you a porno mag.
633
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:44,601
And then you go along,
and you go along...
634
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:45,931
And you go along.
635
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,251
Until one day he asks you to
jerk him off or give him a blowjob.
636
00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:51,261
And so you go
along with that too.
637
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:54,761
Because you feel trapped,
because he has groomed you.
638
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,640
How do you say no
to God, right?
639
00:32:58,290 --> 00:32:59,641
See...
640
00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:02,190
It is important to
understand that this is not...
641
00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,681
just physical abuse,
it's spiriutal abuse too.
642
00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:07,781
Then when a priest
does this to you,
643
00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:09,781
he robs you of your faith.
644
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:13,331
So you reach for the bottle,
or the needle.
645
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:15,291
Or if those don't work
you jump off a bridge.
646
00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:17,411
That's why we call
ourselves survivors.
647
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:19,011
Have you read Jason Barry's book,
648
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,231
he wrote about
a Gauthe case in Louisiana.
649
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:22,761
- That's G...
- G-a-u-t-h-e.
650
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:25,651
I talked to Richard Sipe,
he worked in one of...
651
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,280
the Church's treatment centers.
652
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:30,461
He is an ex-priest.
Married a nun.
653
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,691
Yeah. This is his testimony
from the Cass case.
654
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:36,611
Phil, what's a treatment center?
655
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:38,481
It's where they send priests
when they get caught...
656
00:33:38,550 --> 00:33:39,741
this is all right
here in the box.
657
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:41,801
I sent this all to
you guys 5 years ago.
658
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:45,141
To The Globe?
Who did you send it to?
659
00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:48,311
I don't wanna say who,
660
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:49,951
but they said that
they weren't interested.
661
00:33:50,290 --> 00:33:53,001
- But Phil, we did run a couple
stories on you, I saw them in the clips...
662
00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:56,131
Yeah, but to be completely
frank, it wasn't enough.
663
00:33:58,060 --> 00:34:00,111
You guys gotta understand.
664
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:02,111
This is big.
665
00:34:02,130 --> 00:34:05,661
This is not just Boston, this is
a whole country, it's a whole world.
666
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:07,961
And it goes right
up to the Vatican.
667
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:11,581
- Do you have any proof ot that, Phil?
- No, not yet.
668
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,321
But think about it,
there are so many of them.
669
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,331
How else could they have hidden it for so long?
670
00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:16,981
- So many what?
- Priests!
671
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:22,671
Priests! I know 13
right here in Boston.
672
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:26,261
You know 13 priests in Boston
who have molested children?
673
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:28,601
Yeah, why do you keep
repeating everything I say?
674
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:31,151
- I just like to clarify things.
675
00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:33,151
- Maybe you should've
clarified it 5 years ago...
676
00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:35,101
when I sent you
all of this stuff,
677
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:37,101
it's all right here.
678
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:49,091
- May I use your bathroom?
- Yeah, sure Phil.
679
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,391
Come on.
680
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:59,551
Well...what do you think?
681
00:35:00,530 --> 00:35:03,201
- The guy's got an agenda, that's for sure.
- You think?
682
00:35:03,220 --> 00:35:05,261
He's obviously been through
a lot, but he's smart and...
683
00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:06,651
it's right about 13 priests.
684
00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:08,641
Yeah, and might be
a big if with this guy.
685
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,131
Do a background check on him.
686
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:12,331
And follow up some of
the other survivors of this group.
687
00:35:12,350 --> 00:35:14,161
I'll track down this
ex-priests. Sipe.
688
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:17,041
Ok, but stay on Garabedian,
that's more important.
689
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,391
Garabedian, what
a pain in the ass.
690
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:21,580
You can be a pain
in the ass, Mike.
691
00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:36,701
Mitchell, what a surprise.
How are you?
692
00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:38,151
- I'm fine Mr. Rezendes.
693
00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:40,051
- Good, you know, I've never
heard back from you...
694
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:41,211
I left you a couple of messages.
695
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:43,451
I know. I've been very busy,
I don't have time for calls.
696
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,331
Geez, I'm sure you don't.
Listen, listen Mitch.
697
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:47,381
Let me talk to
a couple of the victims.
698
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:49,081
You can sit in on the interviews...
699
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:50,590
and if you're not happy,
you could kill it.
700
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:52,779
I spoke to my clients and they
don't want to be in the press.
701
00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:53,580
I'm sorry.
702
00:35:53,614 --> 00:35:55,671
I get that, but I don't
need to name names.
703
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,301
- I don't believe you, Mr. Rezendes.
- I'm sure you don't.
704
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,131
- Listen Mitchell.
- Mr. Rezendes, please...
705
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,181
I'm not writing a profile here,
I'm working on something bigger.
706
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:05,891
Bigger? I don't know
what that means.
707
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,851
I'm not supposed to tell you this,
but I'm digging a run for Spotlight.
708
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,061
Spotlight is on this?
709
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,001
Yeah, we're looking into it
but you gotta help me.
710
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,320
You gotta let me talk
to some of these victims, please.
711
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:21,670
Please.
712
00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:28,471
- Come back tomorrow at 9:30 a.m.
- Thank you.
713
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:43,361
- Ms. Pfeiffer.
- Joe.
714
00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:44,151
Hi.
715
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:45,561
- Shit.
- That's ok.
716
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:47,940
- I'm sorry. Please sit.
- No problem. Thank you.
717
00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:51,011
- Is this table okay?
- This is perfect.
718
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,611
I had a muffin while I was
waiting. Two, actually.
719
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:57,751
I eat when I'm nervous.
720
00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:59,091
I do that too, actually.
721
00:36:59,810 --> 00:37:03,521
I hope I'm not late.
Phil told me 1 o'clock.
722
00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:07,231
No, you're fine. I got
here early. About an hour.
723
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:13,321
Would you mind if I took some notes?
Would that be all right?
724
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:20,941
You don't mind if I take
some notes, do you?
725
00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:22,491
Are you gonna use my name?
726
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,520
No.
727
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:25,881
I'm not if you don't
want me to, no.
728
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,711
I just had a kid, he's only 1...
729
00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:31,951
but I'm not sure I want
him to know about this.
730
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:33,551
Sure, I get that.
731
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:35,761
You can stop this
interview at any time, Patrick.
732
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:37,271
- All right?
- Okay.
733
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,371
All right.
734
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:43,871
- Go ahead with your notes...
- Okay, so...
735
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:49,321
Where'd you live
when it first happened?
736
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,691
In the Projects,
over in Hyde Park.
737
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,131
- Over by the Stop & Shop?
- Yeah, you know it?
738
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,451
Yeah, I drove a cab for a few years.
Opened really bad coffee, right?
739
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:02,661
Yeah, I guess.
740
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,221
How old were you
when it happened?
741
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:09,021
I was 12.
742
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:12,021
Just after my dad killed himself.
743
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:15,721
- Oh, geez.
- He was a real piece of shit.
744
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,761
And my mom, she wasn't
so stable either.
745
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:21,020
- How do you mean?
- I mean she was nuts.
746
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:24,371
- She was schizophrenic.
- Same shit.
747
00:38:27,070 --> 00:38:30,571
When did you first meet Geoghan?
748
00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:34,081
Well, my sister...she saw him
over at the Dunkin' Donuts...
749
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:37,721
tells him about my old man
passing and he rushed right over.
750
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:40,331
And there was this nun sister
Barbara, and she ran this group...
751
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:41,870
for kids from troubled families.
752
00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:46,141
- Where was that?
- San Ambrose in Dorchester.
753
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:47,441
Okay.
754
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,531
She's the one who
introduced me to Father Shanley.
755
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:56,411
He was a street priest,
long hair, very hip.
756
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,901
- He invited me to his inhabit in Back Bay.
- Where in Back Bay?
757
00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:04,091
- Beacon Street.
- Beacon, okay.
758
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,541
Are you from here?
759
00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:09,051
No, I grew up in Ohio
but my mom is from Southie.
760
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,161
I see you got it. I've
never even seen Back Bay.
761
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:16,701
So, what happened on
that first visit, Joe?
762
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,451
Well, it was very nice at first.
Very funny. Very casual.
763
00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,741
And I think he
could tell I was gay.
764
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:28,321
So he showed me
this mobile he had,
765
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:29,621
lik over a baby's crib,
766
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:32,481
but with different words.
767
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:35,481
Homosexual, transexual, bisexual.
768
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:38,751
Okay. And did you know that you
were gay at that time, Joe?
769
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:42,671
Yes, but that wasn't information
I was sharing with anybody.
770
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:43,961
Not in Dorchester.
771
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:46,661
Okay.
772
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:50,061
So, what happened after
he showed you the mobile?
773
00:39:50,090 --> 00:39:51,551
Well, I was a little freaked out.
774
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:54,471
I think he could tell...
775
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,971
So he said, you
know what'll help...
776
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:59,021
is if we play strip poker.
777
00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:02,471
Of course I lost.
778
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:05,831
And things went on from there.
779
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:09,381
Can you tell me
specifically what happened?
780
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:14,471
Specifically, he molested me.
781
00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:22,071
Joe, I think that the language
is going to be so important here.
782
00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:25,851
We can't sanitize this, just
saying 'molest' isn't enough.
783
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:28,781
People need to know
what actually happened.
784
00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:34,421
- We should probably get these to-go.
- Right.
785
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:37,061
Geoghan shows up, and my mom,
you know she's...
786
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,111
She's thrilled. And...
787
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:43,051
this was like God
showing up, you know?
788
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Sure, right.
789
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:45,721
So what happened then?
790
00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:51,091
You really wanna hear this shit?
791
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,411
Yeah, yeah Patrick, I do.
792
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:02,961
He offers to take me
to get ice cream.
793
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,101
- He's a priest.
I'm a kid so I go.
794
00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:07,861
- Sure.
795
00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:10,961
So we're driving home, and he...
796
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:15,281
He starts patting my leg,
797
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:18,741
you know, and then...
798
00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:24,031
his hand just...
slides right up and...
799
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:26,801
he grabs my dick, all right?
800
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:29,511
I just froze up.
I was fuckin' petrified...
801
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:30,781
I couldn't move.
802
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,041
I didn't know what to do.
I was just a little kid.
803
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,581
Yeah.
804
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:44,291
You know I never even
touched my ice cream.
805
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,601
Just melted down my arm.
806
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:55,051
Did you...
807
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:57,601
Did you see him
again after that?
808
00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:05,051
Yeah.
809
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:12,221
All right, that's good,
let's stop there for now.
810
00:42:12,250 --> 00:42:13,250
Sure.
811
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:16,781
He said it was a way to make me
more comfortable with my body.
812
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,991
So, what happened after that?
813
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:23,781
He took off his clothes and
he said, "I've been so depressed,
814
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:26,081
but maybe you can cheer me up
and give me a blowjob."
815
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,331
Classy guy.
816
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:32,031
- And did you?
- Yeah.
817
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:34,941
I know what you
must be thinking, like...
818
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:36,330
why would I ever do that
819
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:39,291
to some creepy guy who's
30 years older than me, but...
820
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:42,711
but what you have to understand is that
this is the first time in my life
821
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,971
that someone told me
that it was okay to be gay.
822
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:46,761
And it was a priest.
823
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:50,291
So you had oral sex?
824
00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:52,251
Did you have intercourse?
825
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:56,051
Yes, not then, but later.
826
00:42:58,570 --> 00:42:59,931
It really messed me up.
827
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:04,341
I'm sober now, but that,
that was the beginning of it all .
828
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:08,681
It's very confusing, you know?
829
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,091
To be introduced to
sex like that and then,
830
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,001
and then to be attracted to men.
831
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:22,081
I'm sorry. I knew I was
gonna do this. Oh I'm sorry.
832
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:24,501
Don't be sorry.
It's okay, Joe, it's okay.
833
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Of course, there is
a church right there.
834
00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:28,490
And a playground.
835
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,991
Joe, did you ever
try and tell anyone?
836
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:33,681
Like who, a priest?
837
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:37,251
- Can I use your phone?
838
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:39,251
- Yeah, sure, you
know where it is.
839
00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:42,521
You can use my name if you want.
840
00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:44,271
Thanks, Patrick.
841
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,831
Don't thank me, just get
this assholes, will ya?
842
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:55,761
He's one of the lucky ones.
843
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,601
He is still alive.
844
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,391
- Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha?
- I'm okay, nana. Thanks.
845
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,961
- Hello?
- Hi, Joe, it's Sacha Pfeiffer.
846
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:18,291
- Hi Sacha, how are you?
- I'm good, thanks.
847
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:22,031
Listen, Joe, I just want
a follow up on one thing.
848
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,991
You talked to Phil Saviano
about all of this, right?
849
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:27,401
Yeah, I did, I went to
a couple of SNAP meetings.
850
00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:30,631
And did Phil ever suggest
you to do anything about it?
851
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:33,161
No, the meetings weren't
really about that.
852
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:35,591
We meet a couple of them
canonical lawyers, but
853
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,121
- I didn't think it was worth it.
- Why not?
854
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:41,411
There were just so many forms to
fill out, it was overwhelming, you know.
855
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:44,401
And he said he could only
get me a small settlement, so...
856
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,861
- Who said that?
- The lawyer told me that.
857
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:50,251
So, you did go
and see a lawyer?
858
00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:53,641
Yeah, but I didn't
end up using him, so...
859
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:55,911
I didn't think
it was important, I'm sorry.
860
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:58,671
- I'm not trying to hide anything.
- No, I know, Joe.
861
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,271
Do you remember his name?
The lawyer?
862
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,171
No, but maybe
Phil would know?
863
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:06,861
The guy was on TV a lot
during the Porter case.
864
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,211
He was handsome.
865
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:12,221
- Was it Eric Macleish?
- Yeah, that's him. Macleish.
866
00:45:12,670 --> 00:45:14,251
I thought he was
very handsome.
867
00:45:17,977 --> 00:45:19,462
- Hey.
- Hey.
868
00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:20,771
I was just in the newsroom...
869
00:45:20,810 --> 00:45:22,910
Jugde Sweeney set
a date for the hearing.
870
00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:25,981
- Really, when?
- In two weeks, in Springfield.
871
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:28,831
Canellos started a pool
of 10 bucks to get in.
872
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:30,361
Anyone picking The Globe?
873
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:33,661
He's only taking bets on how
fast Sweeney rules against us.
874
00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:37,091
- Robby.
- Hi, it's me.
875
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,611
- Did you get my message?
- I did.
876
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,701
Looks like Father Shanley
could be our fourth priest.
877
00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:42,151
- Yeah, I think he is.
878
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:44,151
- Did you follow up on Macleish?
879
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,021
I just talked with Phil,
he said Macleish...
880
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:47,551
dealt with a number
of these cases.
881
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:49,951
- I guess he forgot to mention that.
- Yeah.
882
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,161
I'm gonna go to the courthouse
tomorrow, see if I can ...
883
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:54,201
find any cases he settled
against the Church.
884
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:56,341
all right, call me
after yo do.
885
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:58,391
- Good night.
- Okay, good night.
886
00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:02,495
Hey.
887
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,491
You on to Jack?
888
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,431
Yeah, I'm late for dinner,
you wanna walk me out?
889
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:07,490
Sure.
890
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:11,181
- Jesus, does this
guy ever go home?
891
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:12,081
- Apparently not.
892
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:14,351
I got guys pull in till he does,
893
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:16,151
he's wearing over
the goddamn newsroom.
894
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:18,081
- Where are we on Geoghan?
895
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,081
- Yeah, following up
on more victims.
896
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,361
- Hey I want to expend
the investigation. - Why?
897
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:26,331
We got a fourth priest,
it might be as many as 13.
898
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:27,971
- 13?
- Yeah.
899
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,021
- Who's your source?
- Phil Saviano.
900
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,241
Oh, Jesus Christ, Robby,
I told Mike...
901
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:33,801
I know, I know.
902
00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:36,171
I know, I think Saviano
might be legit, Ben.
903
00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:38,961
- You want to elaborate on that?
904
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:40,961
- No, not really.
905
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:45,001
It just feels like this thing
is stacking up. It's my gut.
906
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,141
- Okay.
- Okay, good, thank you.
907
00:47:01,210 --> 00:47:02,210
Hello?
908
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:05,491
- Mr. Rezendes?
- Yeah, who is this?
909
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,131
It's Richard Sipe.
910
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,506
Oh, yeah, hey Richard,
how are you?
911
00:47:09,568 --> 00:47:10,568
I'm good.
912
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:11,911
Thanks for calling.
913
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:14,711
Look...Phil Saviano
gave me your name,
914
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:17,191
I was wondering if I could
ask you a few questions?
915
00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:18,661
- Of course, yeah.
- Great.
916
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:22,281
So, Phil told me that you
were working at one of...
917
00:47:22,310 --> 00:47:24,470
the Church's treatment
centers in Baltimore?
918
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,651
Yes, the Seton
Psychiatric Institute.
919
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:29,471
It was run by
the Daughters of Charity.
920
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:30,541
And...?
921
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:32,391
When was that, Richard?
922
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:37,051
Well, I started my psychotherapy
fellowship there in 1965.
923
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,761
And I was there for 5 years,
then I spend the next 30...
924
00:47:41,090 --> 00:47:43,641
studying abusive priests
and their victims.
925
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:44,670
Really?
926
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,141
And that's been your sole focus?
927
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:50,461
Look Mike, the Church
wants us to believe that...
928
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:52,281
it's just a few bad apples.
929
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:54,061
It's a much bigger
problem than that.
930
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:55,421
- How much bigger, Richard?
931
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:57,621
- Well, based on the research...
932
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:01,431
I would classify it as
a recognizable psychiatric phenomenon.
933
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:03,651
That's big?
934
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:10,781
- Hey, Mac.
- Hey.
935
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:13,051
If I wanted historical
data on a priest,...
936
00:48:13,070 --> 00:48:15,761
parishes he'd been asigned to,
where would I find it?
937
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:18,721
The Geoghan case? It's all in the clips.
Lis has this classed material.
938
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:21,481
Yeah, what if it was for another priest,
one that hadn't been in the papers.
939
00:48:21,590 --> 00:48:23,911
- Looking at another priest?
- Who're you looking at?
940
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:25,651
Any ideas?
941
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,931
Come on, Matt.
You're not gonna tell me?
942
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:30,461
I got to get to
a meeting, thanks, Mac.
943
00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:31,550
Hey, D.
944
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:35,491
The Archdiocese puts
out the annual directory.
945
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:36,941
Every priest in parish.
946
00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:40,801
That's great. These go back
any further than '98?
947
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,611
Oh yeah, going back to
the 80s in the Mass.
948
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,040
Beyond that, you
got to go to the BPL.
949
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,781
- The Mass, huh? Thanks, Lisa.
- You bet.
950
00:48:48,490 --> 00:48:50,210
He said they all target
the same kind of kid.
951
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:53,141
Low income families,
absentee fathers,...
952
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:54,170
broken homes.
953
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:57,791
For guy like Geoghan, he goes after
boys, not because he prefers them...
954
00:48:57,860 --> 00:49:00,521
but because they are more
ashamed, less likely to talk.
955
00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:03,751
And these guys are
predators, Robby.
956
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,201
I talked to Sipe.
957
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:07,691
Said he's seen dozens
of them in the 60s in Seton.
958
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:09,591
He called it a "phenomenon".
959
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,541
- Why didn't he go public?
- He did.
960
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,771
But the Church made a huge
effort to discredit him.
961
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:16,921
Smear campaigns. Public statements
by prominent Bishops.
962
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,421
It's just like Saviano said.
And Garabedian.
963
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:23,001
- You get anywhere with him?
- More victims.
964
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:24,661
More victims?
965
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,081
You can't empty his files.
966
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,460
I'll get to him,
I just need more time.
967
00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:30,741
- Come on Mike, you got to get them.
- I'll get them, I'll get them.
968
00:49:34,330 --> 00:49:35,701
Jesus, what the hell is that smell?
969
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:37,571
There's a dead rat in the corner.
970
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:39,581
What have you got?
971
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,561
Church directories.
972
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,251
It's every priest in Massachusetts.
973
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:44,781
- What parish they were assigned to.
- Is it official?
974
00:49:44,810 --> 00:49:46,231
Yeah, I figure it would
help us track down some...
975
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:48,011
of the priests
that Saviano mentioned.
976
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:49,470
Maybe find some more victims.
977
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,840
Can we turn on some
more light in here?
978
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,781
I couldn't find the switch.
Do you want to borrow my glasses?
979
00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:55,431
- No, I'm good, I'm good.
- Look, look at 1983.
980
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,031
John Geoghan,
Saint Brendan Parish Dorchester.
981
00:49:58,590 --> 00:49:59,741
So, so we can find out...
982
00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:01,241
where any priest is
at any given year?
983
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:02,551
Yeah, I got him here.
984
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:06,111
What?
985
00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:08,451
1980, the year Geoghan
was pulled from JP.
986
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:09,801
Said he's on sick leave.
987
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:11,421
Come on, it really says that?
988
00:50:13,210 --> 00:50:15,641
Where is 1991?
989
00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:18,571
- Yeah, here.
- Let's see this.
990
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:21,961
Barry Liam, I can't read this,
look for Liam Barry there.
991
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:25,501
1991 is the year they pulled
him of the Charleston abbey.
992
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:28,650
Burt Liam?
993
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:30,820
Yeah.
994
00:50:31,090 --> 00:50:32,090
Sick leave.
995
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:34,501
That's an official designation.
996
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,881
Get these upstairs.
997
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,601
And Matt, check on those
998
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,321
priests Saviano gave us.
Robby.
999
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:43,191
- Hey, I'm down at the Court House.
- Yeah.
1000
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:45,091
Something's not right here.
1001
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:46,951
Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha.
1002
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:48,121
Okay, thanks.
1003
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:50,601
Yeah, we need to go
talk to Macleish again.
1004
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:51,630
Really? Why?
1005
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:53,251
There's nothing here.
1006
00:50:53,490 --> 00:50:55,250
There aren't any records.
I've checked everything.
1007
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:02,941
Thanks for waiting, so sorry guys.
Stuck in a call.
1008
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:04,651
- Not a problem, how are you?
- Good.
1009
00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:07,210
- Thanks for meeting us.
- You bet. What's up guys?
1010
00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:10,621
Mr. Macleish, are you familiar
with the priest named Paul Shanley?
1011
00:51:11,230 --> 00:51:12,651
Yes, I am familiar with him.
1012
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:16,751
And have you settled
cases against Father Shanley?
1013
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,811
As I'm sure you can
understand, I can't...
1014
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,451
discuss that with you.
1015
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:26,471
Yeah, how about
Father Ronald Paquin?
1016
00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:29,551
Well, I can't discuss that
with you either, c'mon guys.
1017
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,351
We understand you've settled
several cases against each of them.
1018
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:37,311
Even if I'd been
involved in those cases...
1019
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,451
the settlements
would be confidential.
1020
00:51:39,490 --> 00:51:42,131
And I can be disbarred for
acknowledging their existence.
1021
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Okay?
1022
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,091
Look, I told you guys,
these are tough cases.
1023
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:51,781
Most of these folks, they
just want some acknowledgement...
1024
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:53,621
of what happened.
1025
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:55,541
We got them a sit down
with the Bishop and...
1026
00:51:55,550 --> 00:51:57,951
a little dough, and that's
the best they could hope for.
1027
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,461
Well, certainly, the best
a priest could hope for.
1028
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:04,691
No, the Church promised to take...
1029
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:06,290
the priests out of circulation.
1030
00:52:06,850 --> 00:52:08,381
And did you follow up on that?
1031
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:16,631
- Do you guys need anything else?
- Yes.
1032
00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:18,521
Why aren't there any records?
1033
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,211
I was down at
the Court House earlier...
1034
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:22,531
there aren't any records
of any of these settlements.
1035
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:27,591
We dealt directly
with the Church.
1036
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:32,271
We withdrew the demand letter
and sent it to the Chancery.
1037
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:35,271
You never filed anything in court?
1038
00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:38,411
- It's a private mediation.
- So...
1039
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,511
this is just you and
the Archdiocese lawyers...
1040
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:45,411
- in a room.
- Correct.
1041
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,320
Anyone else?
1042
00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:51,041
Occasionally the Church would bring in
another defense attorney to help out.
1043
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:54,311
- You know names?
- Nope.
1044
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:56,451
No, I don't.
1045
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,941
So this was all under the table.
1046
00:52:58,970 --> 00:53:00,530
There's no paper trail, at all.
1047
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,351
The victim has to sign
a confidentiality...
1048
00:53:02,369 --> 00:53:04,101
agreement to get the settlement.
1049
00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:05,931
The lawyer takes a third and...
1050
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,171
the Church sweeps it under the rug.
1051
00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:08,301
- Jesus, that's a freaking racket.
1052
00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:09,821
- It's more complicated than that.
1053
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:11,801
Macleish has got
a duty to the client...
1054
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:12,971
to get the best deal he can.
1055
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:14,871
Sure, but how many victims...
1056
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,451
do you represent and profit from,
before you say someting?
1057
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,931
Garabedian would say none.
1058
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:21,711
And that's why he's taking
these cases to court.
1059
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:23,301
Because he wants
people to know about this.
1060
00:53:23,330 --> 00:53:24,330
I agree.
1061
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:26,581
And illegal acts aside,
Ben, I mean...
1062
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:28,321
operating the way Macleish has,
1063
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,581
all that guaranteed is that the
abuse stayed under wraps.
1064
00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:34,861
Yeah. Did Macleish confirm
all Saviano's priests?
1065
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:36,291
No, he is...
1066
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:39,381
limited by his
confidentiality agreement.
1067
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:42,081
But clearly he settled cases
against a number of them.
1068
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:44,700
Phil's put me in touch with
some of the other victims,
1069
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,151
I'm pretty confident all of his
priests are going to check out.
1070
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:50,341
- So there's 13 priests?
- Yeah.
1071
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,551
Looks that way.
1072
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,401
Holy shit!
1073
00:53:57,260 --> 00:53:59,121
Okay, keep going.
1074
00:54:00,551 --> 00:54:02,311
CATHOLIC CHARITIES GALA
Guest List
1075
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:04,811
I'm sorry, what was
the name again?
1076
00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:07,091
Baron.
1077
00:54:08,570 --> 00:54:10,811
B-A-R-O-N.
1078
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,801
I'm having trouble finding it,
just give me a second.
1079
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:16,911
It's okay, Kim, I can vouch for him.
1080
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:19,941
I'm Pete Conley. I'm on
the Board of Catholic Charities.
1081
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:22,091
Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron.
1082
00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:24,291
- Thank you.
- Appreciate you joining us.
1083
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,641
We're very proud of the work
we do here at Boston.
1084
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,601
Oh, the Cardinal said
you had a nice visit.
1085
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:33,671
- Yes. We did.
- He's an extraordinary man.
1086
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:36,121
I'm glad you had
a chance to chat.
1087
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:51,291
Enjoying yourself?
1088
00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:56,521
To be honest, these events
aren't really my strong suit.
1089
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:59,421
- Yeah.
- Are you involved with the charity?
1090
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:01,341
Not directly, no.
1091
00:55:01,390 --> 00:55:02,841
Several of my friends are.
We all went to
1092
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:05,451
high school, BC High, that's a
1093
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:07,781
school across the street
from the Globe.
1094
00:55:07,810 --> 00:55:09,501
- It's hard to miss.
- Yeah.
1095
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:12,171
Hard to get away
from too, apparently.
1096
00:55:15,010 --> 00:55:19,501
The Cardinal is in the corner,
if you're so inclined.
1097
00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:21,331
- We've met.
- Really?
1098
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,371
Did he mention the suit?
1099
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:26,531
No, but he did give
me a copy of the cathecism.
1100
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:30,291
Yeah, well, the Cardinal is
not known for his subtlety.
1101
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,051
During the Porter investigation,
he'd literally...
1102
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:35,391
call down the power
of God on the Globe.
1103
00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:37,421
How did that pay out?
1104
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,461
Week later, Earl
broke his leg skiing.
1105
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:44,631
Shrimp toast, gentlemen?
1106
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,991
No, thanks. Thanks.
1107
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:50,251
He said one of
the victims' father...
1108
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,560
a criminal complaint?
1109
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:53,621
Yeah, there were a few of them.
1110
00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:56,761
But the judge had
the case record sealed...
1111
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:59,190
after friends of
the Church complained.
1112
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,991
And the Church has
a lot of friends.
1113
00:56:01,220 --> 00:56:02,241
Like Eric Macleish?
1114
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,471
Yeah. Let's just say...
1115
00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:08,411
he's not part of the solution.
1116
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:10,431
- You follow what I'm saying?
- Sure.
1117
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:12,531
You work hard, Mr. Rezendes.
1118
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,721
Are you married?
1119
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:15,851
Yeah.
1120
00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:17,411
And your wife doesn't mind
you working all the time?
1121
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:18,781
Yeah, she does.
1122
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:22,370
That's why I never got married.
1123
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:24,301
Too busy.
1124
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:26,421
What I do is to important.
1125
00:56:30,820 --> 00:56:32,531
Your new editor,
he's a Jew, right?
1126
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:35,901
- That's right, yeah.
- Well, see...
1127
00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:37,841
He comes in,
1128
00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:39,790
and suddenly everybody is
interested in the Church.
1129
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:41,731
- You know why?
- No.
1130
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:43,731
Because it takes an outsider.
1131
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,581
Like me. I'm Armenian.
1132
00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:49,301
How many Armenians
do you know in Boston?
1133
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,201
Steve Kurkjian, works at The Globe.
1134
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:56,131
That's two. You should
get a prize or something.
1135
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:59,501
- What are you, Italian?
- No, I'm Portugese.
1136
00:57:00,550 --> 00:57:03,131
- From where?
- East Boston.
1137
00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:06,711
Really? East Boston?
1138
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:09,891
You don't sound like it.
1139
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,571
This city.
1140
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:19,371
These people.
1141
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:23,090
Making the rest of us
feel like we don't belong.
1142
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:25,420
But they're no better than us.
1143
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,761
Look at how they
treat their children.
1144
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:32,091
Mark my words, Mr. Rezendes,
1145
00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:34,140
if it takes a village
to raise a child,
1146
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:36,231
it takes a village to abuse one.
1147
00:57:40,820 --> 00:57:42,391
- Hey, there he is.
- Hey.
1148
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:44,010
- You want a beer?
- I'd love one.
1149
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:47,661
- Another? You with Barbara?
- No, no.
1150
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,411
- She hates these things.
- Karen too.
1151
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,631
- Yeah.
- Smart ladies.
1152
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:53,751
- Sláinte.
- Sláinte.
1153
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:57,201
I met your new editor.
1154
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,771
- seemed like a decent fella.
- I think he is.
1155
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:07,311
Hey, I had an interesting conversation
with Eric Macleish the other day.
1156
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,451
Turns out he's been
settling abuse cases...
1157
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:12,661
with the archdiocese for years.
1158
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:16,151
You want to talk about this here?
1159
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,181
Jim, you said you helped out
1160
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:21,781
on Father Barrett as a favor.
1161
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,771
That was a loan off?
1162
00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:29,801
How many of these cases
you've been involved with?
1163
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:33,881
You know I can't answer
that, Robby, it's unethical.
1164
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,301
Is that all it is?
1165
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:41,491
So, this...
1166
00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:43,751
would be the Robby Robinson
I've always...
1167
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,511
heard about, but never met.
1168
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,411
Listen, Jimmy.
1169
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:51,461
You want to be on
the right side of this.
1170
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:56,811
This is the Church
you're talking about, Robby.
1171
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:58,511
Look around.
These are good people,
1172
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:00,401
done a lot of good
for this city.
1173
00:59:01,870 --> 00:59:03,221
Enjoy the party.
1174
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:13,851
I've been through
a lot of these now.
1175
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,071
"Sick leave" isn't
the only designation...
1176
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:17,211
they use when they take one
1177
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:18,351
of these priests
out of the circulation.
1178
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:20,731
They use a slew of terms.
"Absent on leave",
1179
00:59:21,020 --> 00:59:23,751
"unassigned", "emergency response".
1180
00:59:23,770 --> 00:59:26,051
- They have a word for everything, these guys.
- Except grief.
1181
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:27,551
And they move parishes
1182
00:59:27,555 --> 00:59:29,311
way more frequently
than other priests.
1183
00:59:29,330 --> 00:59:31,541
When I was a kid, priest
moved after 7, 8 years.
1184
00:59:31,570 --> 00:59:32,191
Sometimes longer.
1185
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:34,231
These guys,
it's 2 to 3 years tops.
1186
00:59:34,570 --> 00:59:35,741
And did they use
this designation...
1187
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:37,561
for all Saviano's priests?
- Yeah.
1188
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:40,681
- It's a pretty clear pattern.
- Guys, I got Sipe.
1189
00:59:41,310 --> 00:59:44,391
I think that if you really
want to understand the crisis...
1190
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,001
you need to start with
the celibacy requirement.
1191
00:59:47,050 --> 00:59:48,781
That was my first
major finding.
1192
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:51,761
Only 50% of the clergy are celibate.
1193
00:59:52,850 --> 00:59:55,701
Now, most of them are having
sex with other adults.
1194
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:58,191
But the fact remains
that this creates...
1195
00:59:58,196 --> 01:00:00,961
a culture of secrecy that
tolerates and even protects...
1196
01:00:00,990 --> 01:00:02,251
pedophiles.
1197
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:05,071
So you believe
the Church is aware...
1198
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,331
of the extent of this...crisis?
1199
01:00:07,340 --> 01:00:08,701
Well, absolutely.
1200
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,761
After the first major
scandal in Louisiana...
1201
01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:14,231
Tom Doyle, the secretary
candidate for the papal nuncio,
1202
01:00:14,260 --> 01:00:15,671
co-opted a report,
1203
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:17,081
warning pedophile priests
1204
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,071
were a billion-dollar liability.
1205
01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:20,801
That was in 1985.
1206
01:00:21,450 --> 01:00:23,341
- 1985?
- That's right.
1207
01:00:24,290 --> 01:00:26,971
Who saw that report? Anyone
from the Catholic hierarchy?
1208
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:28,381
Sure.
1209
01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:30,361
Doyle tried to
introduce the report...
1210
01:00:30,364 --> 01:00:32,491
at the National Conference
of Catholic Bishops.
1211
01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:36,311
In fact, Cardinal Law initially
helped to fund the report.
1212
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,781
But then he backed out
and he shelved it.
1213
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,671
- Are you kidding me?
- Oh, Richard.
1214
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:42,311
Robby here.
1215
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,451
We think we have 13 priests
1216
01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:47,830
in Boston that fits
this pattern, which
1217
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,001
would be a very,
very big story.
1218
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:52,801
Does that sound right to you?
1219
01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:54,961
In terms of scale?
1220
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,651
No, not really, Robby.
1221
01:00:56,850 --> 01:00:58,271
Sounds low to me.
1222
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,221
My estimate suggests 6% act
out sexually with minors.
1223
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,111
6%, of what?
1224
01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:07,410
6% of all priests.
1225
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:09,781
How many priests do
we have in Boston?
1226
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:13,111
About 1,500. 1% is 15, 6% is...
1227
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:15,340
90?
1228
01:01:16,650 --> 01:01:20,331
- Right, 90 priests.
- Is that possible?
1229
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,521
From a metric standpoint.
1230
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:27,081
Yes. That would certainly
be in line with my findings.
1231
01:01:33,090 --> 01:01:34,090
Hello?
1232
01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:38,941
90 fucking priests? In Boston?
1233
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:40,571
That's what he said.
1234
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:44,411
If there were 90 of these
bastards, people would know.
1235
01:01:44,570 --> 01:01:45,281
- Maybe they do.
1236
01:01:45,570 --> 01:01:47,281
- And no one said a thing?
1237
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:49,421
Good Germans.
1238
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:52,590
I don't think that's a comparison
you want to make publicly.
1239
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:54,211
Macleish knew.
1240
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:57,141
- He just didn't say anything.
- That's 13 priests.
1241
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:59,631
There's a big difference
between 13 and 90...
1242
01:01:59,650 --> 01:02:01,341
Where's this guy Sipe
getting his numbers?
1243
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,371
Well, he's been studying
it for 30 years...
1244
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,221
He is a trained psychotherapist.
1245
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:07,611
Okay, but we need something
more than a metric from some...
1246
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,261
hippie ex-priest who's
shacking up with a nun.
1247
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:12,881
Okay, so we'll track
down more victims.
1248
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:14,151
We'll get more priests, then,
1249
01:02:14,170 --> 01:02:16,311
then we could, we could check
them against the directories.
1250
01:02:16,340 --> 01:02:18,851
- That's a shitload of victims.
- We'll get there.
1251
01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:20,821
How long is it going to take?
1252
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,211
Too long.
1253
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:27,641
- Wait, what, the meeting is over?
- Yeah, for now.
1254
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:32,421
- What do you got?
- What if we work backwards?
1255
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:34,071
- What do you mean?
From what?
1256
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:35,071
- From the directories.
1257
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,001
We've been using them
to confirm bad priests.
1258
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:38,581
What if we do it
the other way around.
1259
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,141
Use the directories
so we identify bad priests.
1260
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:41,031
Yeah, exactly.
1261
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,591
We search by designation.
1262
01:02:42,605 --> 01:02:44,081
You know, we look
for any priest...
1263
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,531
on sick leave or unassigned.
1264
01:02:45,550 --> 01:02:46,331
- One that's been
moved around a lot.
1265
01:02:46,550 --> 01:02:47,331
- Yeah.
1266
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,841
Which can take a load of work.
1267
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,851
Well, not if we're all on it.
1268
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:52,230
You too?
1269
01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:54,611
Generally, that's what
"all" means, yeah.
1270
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:55,781
Yeah, generally.
1271
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:58,910
Sick leave
1272
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:05,267
Unassigned
1273
01:03:26,935 --> 01:03:28,157
Unassigned
1274
01:03:29,755 --> 01:03:30,994
Active
1275
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:51,371
Library is closing!
1276
01:03:54,060 --> 01:03:55,951
Library is closing!
1277
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,781
O' Sullivan, Eugene M.
Treatment Center
1278
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,601
Holy shit!
1279
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,781
No freaking way.
1280
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,655
KIDS.
Stay away from this
house at 276 Pelton Street.
1281
01:05:02,755 --> 01:05:04,821
And stay away from
the men who live inside it.
1282
01:05:05,055 --> 01:05:06,091
- Talbot?
- Yeah.
1283
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:07,370
- Tivnan?
- Yeah.
1284
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:08,740
- Toma?
- Yeah.
1285
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:09,870
- Turnbull?
- Yeah.
1286
01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:11,651
- Walsh?
- Yeah.
1287
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:12,891
- Welsh?
- Yeah.
1288
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:14,330
- Is that it.
- That's it.
1289
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:16,041
Holy shit! Robby?
1290
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:18,141
That's 3 off Sipe's estimate.
That's incredible.
1291
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:19,170
Robby!
1292
01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:21,161
- How many?
- 87.
1293
01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:22,801
87 priests in Boston.
1294
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:28,031
- Call Macleish.
I want to talk to him.
1295
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:28,431
- Okay.
1296
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,231
- Can you print it?
1297
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,231
- Sure can.
1298
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,191
Jim Sullivan's office?
1299
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:38,571
Yeah, Walter Robinson
for Jim Sullivan.
1300
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,431
Tell him it's important, please.
1301
01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:41,591
One moment please.
1302
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:48,161
Hey, Robby, everything okay?
1303
01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:50,261
I need you to tell me
something, Jim.
1304
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:53,471
- Could it be 90 priests?
- What?
1305
01:05:53,490 --> 01:05:55,741
Could it be as high as 90?
1306
01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:56,931
Jesus, Robby!
1307
01:05:57,150 --> 01:05:58,371
I need to know, Jim.
1308
01:05:58,410 --> 01:06:00,641
I wouldn't be asking
if it wasn't important.
1309
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,301
You gotta stop this, Robby.
1310
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:14,381
Robby, Macleish's assistant
1311
01:06:14,389 --> 01:06:16,250
said he's all booked up.
He can't see us.
1312
01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:18,861
Yeah, well, the hell he can't.
1313
01:06:24,350 --> 01:06:25,781
All right, it'll be fine.
1314
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:32,601
- You know what, I'll catch
up with you, okay? - Okay.
1315
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,311
Hey guys, I'm really sorry,
I am, I don't have any
1316
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,241
time to talk right now but...
1317
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:38,341
- Mr. Macleish.
- If you call my assistant...
1318
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,336
We have reasons to believe
that there are
1319
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:41,961
allegations against as many
as 87 priests in Boston.
1320
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,481
I can't talk to you about that.
1321
01:06:44,770 --> 01:06:46,141
Does that number
sound right to you?
1322
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:47,151
You gotta be kidding me,
I just told you
1323
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:48,551
I don't have time for this crap.
1324
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:50,811
Eric, how many
priests did you sign?
1325
01:06:52,110 --> 01:06:53,701
Robby, you know
I can't tell you that.
1326
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,971
You're going to give
me their names...
1327
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:56,671
and the names of their victims.
1328
01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:00,231
- Are you threatening me?
1329
01:07:00,950 --> 01:07:02,231
- We've got two stories here.
1330
01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:04,461
We got a story
about degenerate clergy.
1331
01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:06,661
And we got a story
about a bunch of lawyers
1332
01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:09,301
turning child abuse
into a cottage industry.
1333
01:07:09,620 --> 01:07:11,931
Now, which story do
you want us to write?
1334
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,871
Cause we're writing one of them.
1335
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:19,951
I already sent you
a list of names.
1336
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:22,921
What are you talking about?
To whom?
1337
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:25,461
The Globe, years ago.
1338
01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:28,111
After the Porter case,
I got plenty of calls.
1339
01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:29,261
I had 20 priests
1340
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,411
in Boston alone.
1341
01:07:30,414 --> 01:07:32,411
But I couldn't go after
them without the press.
1342
01:07:32,445 --> 01:07:34,231
So I sent you guys
1343
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:36,861
a list of names
and you buried it.
1344
01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:40,371
- I want those names tomorrow.
1345
01:07:40,373 --> 01:07:42,371
- Check you goddamn clips, Robby.
1346
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,451
- I didn't find anything in the clips.
- Yeah, big surprise.
1347
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:51,561
Richard...
1348
01:07:52,170 --> 01:07:53,761
Do you still go to mass?
1349
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,531
No, I haven't been to church
for some time now.
1350
01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:58,751
But I still consider
myself a Catholic.
1351
01:07:59,310 --> 01:08:00,601
How does that work?
1352
01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:03,561
Well, the Church is
an institution, Mike.
1353
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,061
Made of men.
1354
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:08,971
It's passing.
My faith is in the eternal.
1355
01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:11,281
I try to separate the two.
1356
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:13,281
Sounds tricky.
1357
01:08:13,690 --> 01:08:15,230
It is. Especially
1358
01:08:15,235 --> 01:08:17,451
since the Church continues
to go after me.
1359
01:08:17,830 --> 01:08:19,481
It takes a toll, Mike.
1360
01:08:20,260 --> 01:08:21,961
They'll try to silence
anyone who speaks out.
1361
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,440
And I'm sure they'll come after you
and your team soon enough.
1362
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:26,741
Really? And how do you
think they'll do that?
1363
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,171
Hello? Richard?
1364
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:42,931
- Who is it?
- It's the Archbishop of Canterbury.
1365
01:08:46,990 --> 01:08:49,101
I had dinner at Santarpio's.
That's some leftovers.
1366
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:50,351
You're the freaking best.
1367
01:08:51,090 --> 01:08:52,741
Thanks. You want a beer?
1368
01:08:53,130 --> 01:08:55,111
- Yeah.
- You got it.
1369
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:58,101
Jesus. How much longer
1370
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,291
you're gonna be
in this shithole?
1371
01:08:59,310 --> 01:09:00,831
Yeah, I'm working on it.
1372
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,121
- She's a good girl, Mike.
- Yeah, she is.
1373
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:07,811
We'll figure it out. I haven't
had a lot of time lately.
1374
01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:10,771
I just got off the phone
with Sipe, actually.
1375
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:13,171
Have you met this
guy in person yet?
1376
01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:16,261
No, but his knowledge on this
is on a whole other level.
1377
01:09:17,050 --> 01:09:18,130
I'm freaking starving.
1378
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:22,101
So, where are we with the 90?
1379
01:09:22,990 --> 01:09:24,901
- I'm close.
- How close?
1380
01:09:25,390 --> 01:09:26,171
I'm close.
1381
01:09:26,210 --> 01:09:27,841
Just answer the question, will ya?
1382
01:09:31,270 --> 01:09:32,741
We got 87 names.
1383
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,680
We're trying to get confirmation,
I think we will.
1384
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,621
Something bugging you?
1385
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:42,071
It's just surprising, that's all.
1386
01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:45,001
Yeah, yeah it is.
1387
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:46,650
For everybody.
1388
01:09:51,790 --> 01:09:54,431
Hey, Ben, I forgot to ask you.
1389
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:56,931
Hey Phil Saviano
said he sent a bunch of...
1390
01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:59,601
info over to The Globe a years ago,
do you have an idea to whom?
1391
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:02,991
- No, why?
- Well, I'm just curious.
1392
01:10:03,004 --> 01:10:04,910
I wanted to see if there's any
leads you guys didn't run out.
1393
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,141
Saviano was a fucking train wreck
1394
01:10:07,147 --> 01:10:08,890
five years ago, but we
didn't miss anything.
1395
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:10,761
This story needed Spotlight.
1396
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:14,271
Yeah, I agree.
I'm just following up.
1397
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:18,971
- Good night.
- Yeah, good night.
1398
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:24,871
- This is unbelievable.
1399
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,471
- When did you get this?
1400
01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:28,321
Macleish emailed
the list this morning.
1401
01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:31,001
He settled cases
against 45 priests.
1402
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:33,191
Where are we on Law?
1403
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,711
Anything that shows
he had knowledge of this.
1404
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,401
- Still working Garabedian,
but nothing concrete.
1405
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:41,045
I keep thinking about that
conversation we had the other night,
1406
01:10:41,047 --> 01:10:43,271
about how Law called
down the power of God.
1407
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:45,641
When we reported on Porter.
1408
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:47,551
That's just Law being Law.
1409
01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:49,881
Okay, but I checked the clips...
1410
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:52,171
And Porter isn't even
1411
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,331
in the Boston archdiocese.
He's from Fall River.
1412
01:10:54,370 --> 01:10:55,370
So...
1413
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,161
why the extreme reaction?
1414
01:10:59,490 --> 01:11:03,431
Law had to know.
That's why he had that reaction.
1415
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,251
'cause he knew there were others.
1416
01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:10,451
I think that's
the bigger story.
1417
01:11:12,010 --> 01:11:13,521
Bigger than 50 priests?
1418
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:16,381
If it came from
the top down? Yes.
1419
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:20,151
But the numbers clearly indicate that
there were senior clergy involved.
1420
01:11:20,170 --> 01:11:21,401
- That's all they do. Indicate.
1421
01:11:21,403 --> 01:11:22,451
- Are you telling me that
1422
01:11:22,453 --> 01:11:25,231
that if we run a story with
50 pedophile priests in Boston...
1423
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:26,101
- Mike.
1424
01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:29,001
- We're getting to the same catfight
you got into on Porter,
1425
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:30,381
which made a lot of noise,
1426
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:32,351
but changed things not one bit.
1427
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,621
We need to focus
on the institution.
1428
01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:39,291
Not the individual priests.
1429
01:11:39,690 --> 01:11:41,531
Practice and policy.
1430
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,581
Show me the Church
manipulated the system...
1431
01:11:43,595 --> 01:11:45,271
so this guy wouldn't
have to face charges.
1432
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:47,140
Show me they put
those same priests...
1433
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,631
back into parishes
time and time again.
1434
01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:52,911
Show me this was systemic,
that it came from the top down.
1435
01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:56,841
Sounds like we're
going after Law.
1436
01:12:01,220 --> 01:12:02,911
We're going after the system.
1437
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,461
Make the list of all the victims
1438
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:09,011
we have, start reaching out.
1439
01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:11,281
- And bring Matt in if you need help.
- Mm-hmm. Okay.
1440
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:13,660
- Hey when do you go to Springfield?
- Hearing's on Monday.
1441
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:14,830
Okay.
1442
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:16,681
Hey, Robby, you got a second?
1443
01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:18,231
Yeah.
1444
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,841
I, uh...I got one of those treatment
centers a block from my house.
1445
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:26,651
We got neighbours with kids.
1446
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,351
I know that the work we do
is confidential but,
1447
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:30,641
I'm feeling like...
1448
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:32,791
I should tell 'em.
1449
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:38,611
- We'll tell 'em soon.
1450
01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:40,611
- Are you sure?
1451
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:43,291
- Yeah.
- Okay.
1452
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:48,821
Hi there, I'm Sacha Pfeiffer,
I'm with the Boston Globe.
1453
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:51,661
I'm just looking for the gentleman
by the name of Matthew Walsh.
1454
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:54,580
No, he's not.
1455
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:08,751
- Hi.
- Hi.
1456
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:10,361
I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
from the Boston Globe.
1457
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:11,121
Yeah, what do you want?
1458
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,251
I'd like to speak
with Thomas Kennedy.
1459
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:14,291
He doesn't live here any more.
1460
01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:15,811
Do you know where he lives?
1461
01:13:16,330 --> 01:13:17,810
Ser, I'd just like to ask a few...
1462
01:13:19,690 --> 01:13:21,431
Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe.
1463
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:23,181
- Oh, yeah, hi.
- Hi. Thank you.
1464
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,001
- Anything else you can recall?
- No.
1465
01:13:28,030 --> 01:13:29,881
No, but I got
a cousin in Queens...
1466
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:31,731
says she saw him on the streets
a few years later.
1467
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:34,121
The bishop came
over the house.
1468
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:36,111
He said nothing like this
had ever happened before...
1469
01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:37,681
and he asked us not
to press charges.
1470
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,151
And what did your mother do?
1471
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:40,896
My mother?
1472
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,321
She put out freakin' cookies.
1473
01:13:48,570 --> 01:13:50,891
There was a lot of
pressure to keep quiet.
1474
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:51,691
From the Church?
1475
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,281
Yeah, from the Church.
But not just the Church.
1476
01:13:56,210 --> 01:13:57,801
From my friends.
1477
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,291
From the other parishioners.
1478
01:14:00,310 --> 01:14:03,071
Well, many of the priests that
I treated were...
1479
01:14:03,140 --> 01:14:04,541
psychosexually stunted.
1480
01:14:04,780 --> 01:14:07,421
On the emotional level of
a 12- or 13-year-old.
1481
01:14:07,450 --> 01:14:08,321
Jesus.
1482
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:10,721
Sure the chief knew.
EVerybody knew.
1483
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:12,561
But nobody wants
to cuff a priest.
1484
01:14:14,020 --> 01:14:15,471
And what about the prosecutor?
1485
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:18,191
I shouldn't talk about this shit.
1486
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:19,601
I think you should, actually.
1487
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:23,641
Do you know a Father Hurley
or a Father Gale?
1488
01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:24,401
I do.
1489
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:25,681
Just get your shit
out of here, all right?
1490
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:26,681
I'm sorry about it.
1491
01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:28,071
You leave me alone,
you leave my brother alone...
1492
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:29,100
you hear me, goddammit?
1493
01:14:37,780 --> 01:14:40,281
Hi, there.
I'm looking for Ronald Paquin.
1494
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:41,310
Yes?
1495
01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:44,641
- You're Father Paquin?
- Yes, that's right.
1496
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,131
I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
from The Boston Globe.
1497
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:48,991
Okay.
1498
01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:50,571
Could I ask you a few questions?
1499
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:51,600
Go ahead, dear.
1500
01:14:52,730 --> 01:14:54,681
We spoke to several men who
knew you when they were boys...
1501
01:14:54,683 --> 01:14:56,541
at St. John the Baptist in Haverhill.
1502
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,071
They told us you molested
them, is that true?
1503
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:04,531
Sure, I fooled around.
1504
01:15:04,660 --> 01:15:07,661
But I never felt gratified myself.
1505
01:15:08,780 --> 01:15:13,011
Right. But you admit to molesting
the boys at St. John the Baptist?
1506
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:18,091
Yes, yes, but as I said,
I never got any pleasure from it.
1507
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,051
That's important to understand.
1508
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,451
Right, but...
1509
01:15:23,490 --> 01:15:26,411
can you tell me where and how
you fooled around with these boys?
1510
01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:31,551
I want to be clear,
I never raped anyone.
1511
01:15:32,540 --> 01:15:34,891
There's a difference.
I should know.
1512
01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:37,881
- How would you know?
- I was raped.
1513
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:42,611
I'm sorry, who raped you?
1514
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:44,001
Darling, who are
you talking to?
1515
01:15:44,020 --> 01:15:45,641
- It's okay, Jane.
- Father, who raped you?
1516
01:15:45,670 --> 01:15:46,670
Who are you?
1517
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:50,321
- Sacha Pfeiffer, from the Globe.
- Please, get off my porch.
1518
01:15:50,340 --> 01:15:52,511
- Get inside the house, Ronald.
- Mister...
1519
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:54,541
- Get inside at once!
- All right.
1520
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:56,581
- I'm sorry, who are you?
- I'm his sister.
1521
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:59,001
- And I don't want you coming back here.
- Miss Paquin?
1522
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:10,571
No, you won't,
I beat you last time....
1523
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:11,811
Cause you cheated...
1524
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,611
Could you please clarify
the Globe's position for me, Mr. Albano?
1525
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:24,801
Yes, Judge Sweeney.
1526
01:16:29,290 --> 01:16:32,111
Our argument to make
these documents public rests...
1527
01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:34,611
mainly on First Amendment grounds.
1528
01:16:34,730 --> 01:16:37,141
We also have a number
of other relevant arguments.
1529
01:16:37,330 --> 01:16:39,991
After all, Your Honor,
this was a discretionary audit.
1530
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:42,741
Yes, it was made
the judges' discretion.
1531
01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:43,770
Hey, Mike.
1532
01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:45,910
Hey, Joe.
1533
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,661
What's a Spotlight
reporter doing in Springfield?
1534
01:16:51,010 --> 01:16:53,291
Your boy Albano is sliding uphill.
1535
01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:55,431
You actually think you have
a shot at winning this thing?
1536
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:57,221
You want me to comment
for the Herald?
1537
01:16:59,590 --> 01:17:02,301
"Globe reporter would not comment,
1538
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:05,411
but he did not seem hopeful."
1539
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,601
He didn't try
and hide it at all.
1540
01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:11,941
He had this really odd
rationalization for it,
1541
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,431
like it was totally normal
to fool around with little boys.
1542
01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:17,750
I'd really like to go back.
I think he'd talk to us.
1543
01:17:18,380 --> 01:17:19,681
Oh, we will.
1544
01:17:20,380 --> 01:17:21,691
Just not yet.
1545
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:24,691
I want you to stay focused
on the victims right now.
1546
01:17:24,710 --> 01:17:26,691
Sacha, where did they send
Father Talbot again?
1547
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:30,621
- I think...wasn't it at Scheffers?
- Scheffers, that's right.
1548
01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:33,571
Wait, Father Talbot, from BCI?
1549
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,151
- Yeah, you know him?
1550
01:17:35,310 --> 01:17:37,251
- Yeah, he was there when I was.
1551
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,911
- We have a victim?
- Yeah.
1552
01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:41,901
Lives in Providence.
1553
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:47,491
There's nothing personal
within these documents, Your Honor.
1554
01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:50,051
They concern how
the Cardinal is handling...
1555
01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:51,541
Say the "archdiocese".
1556
01:17:52,510 --> 01:17:53,510
Excuse me?
1557
01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:57,021
You don't get to tag the Cardinal
with everything, Mr. Albano.
1558
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:58,931
Say, "the archdiocese".
1559
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,581
Judge Sweeney, the Globe
is not a party to this case.
1560
01:18:01,610 --> 01:18:02,921
They just want to
sell the papers.
1561
01:18:03,020 --> 01:18:04,981
If Mr. Garabedian, had not...
1562
01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:06,771
smeared the Cardinal's good name...
1563
01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:08,611
- we wouldn't even be here.
- Your Honor,
1564
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:10,711
I object to the use
of the word "smear".
1565
01:18:10,990 --> 01:18:13,571
- Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian.
- Thank you, Your Honor.
1566
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,881
- Anything else, Mr. Rogers?
- No, Your Honor.
1567
01:18:15,970 --> 01:18:17,791
Mr. Albano, you may continue.
1568
01:18:18,170 --> 01:18:19,591
The Globe believes having...
1569
01:18:21,670 --> 01:18:22,881
Hey Mitch, how you doin'?
1570
01:18:24,170 --> 01:18:25,170
I'm fine.
1571
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,561
He's tough, that Wilson Rogers.
1572
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:29,811
He's smug.
1573
01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:33,131
- He's sloppy.
- Doesn't seem sloppy.
1574
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,221
You don't know
the half of it. Trust me.
1575
01:18:37,290 --> 01:18:38,531
What's the half of it?
1576
01:18:41,260 --> 01:18:42,601
Tell me the half of it, Mitch.
1577
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,360
- Off the record?
- Off the record, yeah.
1578
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:52,290
Three years ago I get a call
from an ex-priest.
1579
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,191
Anthony Benzevich.
1580
01:18:54,220 --> 01:18:56,366
He was at Blessed Sacrament
back in '62...
1581
01:18:56,370 --> 01:18:57,751
and he saw Geoghan...
1582
01:19:00,010 --> 01:19:02,681
taking little boys up to
the rectory bedroom, okay?
1583
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:03,801
So he's bold, all right?
1584
01:19:03,810 --> 01:19:05,451
- All right.
- Tells the bishop about it.
1585
01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:08,101
And the bishop
threatens to reassign him.
1586
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:10,921
- To South America.
- Jesus.
1587
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:13,241
Yeah.
All right, so fast-forward 35 years.
1588
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:15,328
Benzevich reads that Geoghan
has been charged...
1589
01:19:15,329 --> 01:19:17,331
with molesting hundreds of kids,
1590
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:19,421
all right, so he feels guilty
and he calls me.
1591
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,631
So you have
a testimony of a priest...
1592
01:19:21,670 --> 01:19:24,071
telling his superiors
about Geoghan in '62?
1593
01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:25,871
No, I do not.
1594
01:19:26,170 --> 01:19:28,471
Because when I call Benzevich
in to give a deposition...
1595
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:30,331
He comes in with the lawyer.
1596
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:32,461
- Wilson Rogers?
- Right.
1597
01:19:33,010 --> 01:19:35,671
And suddenly Father Benzevich
has a very foggy memory.
1598
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:37,741
Can't remember anything.
He's useless.
1599
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,421
So, I go back to work.
I forget about it, whatever.
1600
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:43,931
Until about a year ago, I find
an article about a priest...
1601
01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:46,421
who warned Church officials
about Geoghan.
1602
01:19:46,660 --> 01:19:48,541
- Benzevich went to the press?
- Yeah.
1603
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:50,651
Yeah, local paper Patriot Ledger,
1604
01:19:50,660 --> 01:19:53,241
nobody saw it, but now
I got Benzevich on record.
1605
01:19:53,300 --> 01:19:55,148
so, I file a motion to depose...
1606
01:19:55,152 --> 01:19:56,531
Benzevich a second time.
1607
01:19:57,070 --> 01:20:00,331
All right? And Wilson Rogers,
that smug son of a bitch,
1608
01:20:00,470 --> 01:20:03,141
he files a motion,
opposing my motion.
1609
01:20:03,610 --> 01:20:05,411
And that's when I have him.
1610
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,791
- Have, have him how?
1611
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:09,761
- Rogers opposes my motion.
1612
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,382
So I have to make an argument
as to why am I allowed to...
1613
01:20:12,385 --> 01:20:14,981
depose Father Benzevich
a second time, okay?
1614
01:20:14,991 --> 01:20:17,251
But this time I'm allowed
to attach exhibits.
1615
01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:18,911
- You follow what I'm saying?
1616
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:20,711
- The sealed documents?
1617
01:20:20,740 --> 01:20:22,561
Yes. I can attach
the sealed documents...
1618
01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:25,281
that I've gotten in discovery,
Mr. Rezendes.
1619
01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:28,721
The same documents that your
paper is currently suing for.
1620
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:30,621
- You're shitting me?
1621
01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:32,621
- What? No, no,
I'm not shitting you.
1622
01:20:32,650 --> 01:20:35,641
So, I pull out the 14
most damning docs...
1623
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:36,941
and I attach them to my motion.
1624
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,641
And they prove everything.
Everything.
1625
01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:41,391
About the Church, about
the bishops, about Law.
1626
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:42,601
And it's all public
1627
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:44,301
because your motion
1628
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:45,940
to oppose Rogers motion is public.
1629
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:49,241
Is public, yeah. Exactly.
Now you're paying attention.
1630
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:51,721
And so I could just walk in
to that courthouse right now
1631
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:52,821
and get those documents?
1632
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:54,231
No, you cannot.
1633
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:56,431
Because the documents
are not there.
1634
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,051
But you just said
they're public.
1635
01:20:58,180 --> 01:21:01,366
I know I did.
But this is Boston.
1636
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,301
And the Church does not
want them to be found,
1637
01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:06,501
so they are not there.
1638
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:11,091
Mitch, are you telling me
that the Catholic Church...
1639
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,494
removed legal documents
from that courthouse?
1640
01:21:13,650 --> 01:21:16,881
- Look, I'm not crazy,
I'm not paranoid.
1641
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,431
I'm experienced.
1642
01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:20,431
Check the docket, you'll see.
1643
01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:23,001
They control everything.
1644
01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:27,020
Everything.
1645
01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:30,291
I got to go back.
1646
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:36,931
I just got the fucking documents!
1647
01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:54,361
- Docket entry number 49,
that's in the Geoghan case.
1648
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:55,361
- Okay, thanks.
1649
01:21:55,380 --> 01:21:58,071
- We close in 10 minutes.
- 10 minutes? all right.
1650
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,966
- Rev. James F. Talbot -
1651
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:36,761
- Robby.
- Hey, it's me.
1652
01:22:37,090 --> 01:22:38,351
- Hey.
- You're not gonna believe it.
1653
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,001
Garabedian gave me a tip.
1654
01:22:40,190 --> 01:22:42,631
Some of the sealed
docs are already public.
1655
01:22:42,650 --> 01:22:44,041
They're part of
a motion he filed.
1656
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:46,171
He said they're the best of
the bunch, we don't have to
1657
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:47,541
wait for Sweeney's ruling.
1658
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:48,731
So, we can get them?
1659
01:22:48,740 --> 01:22:50,251
Yeah, but they
are not there.
1660
01:22:50,260 --> 01:22:51,251
I already talked to Albano,
1661
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:52,741
he said all we
have to do is
1662
01:22:52,810 --> 01:22:53,971
file a motion
and Sweeney will
1663
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:56,150
order Mitch to refile the docs.
1664
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:57,731
And you think
these documents are...?
1665
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,791
He said these 14 docs
are all we need.
1666
01:22:59,820 --> 01:23:00,931
They are huge.
1667
01:23:01,099 --> 01:23:04,991
- Okay. I'll call Ben.
Good work.
1668
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:31,441
- What happened?
1669
01:23:32,110 --> 01:23:34,041
- They are saying
it's a prop plane.
1670
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:35,571
But that's not a prop plane.
1671
01:23:39,790 --> 01:23:40,757
Tell Linda to get every...
1672
01:23:40,759 --> 01:23:42,510
reporter we have in here now.
1673
01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:48,211
You pray for the victims,
you pray for the injured...
1674
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:51,481
and you pray for
those who survived.
1675
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:55,751
You pray too for the nation.
1676
01:23:57,010 --> 01:23:59,081
That our response to this...
1677
01:23:59,530 --> 01:24:03,681
might reflect the best
ideals of our nation.
1678
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:07,221
And even more reflect
God's own teaching.
1679
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:11,821
Not only as it's shown in
Christianity and Judaism...
1680
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:14,231
but in Islam as well.
1681
01:24:14,490 --> 01:24:16,841
- Not bad. Who's there?
- Paulson.
1682
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:18,561
I want to talk to
him when he's back.
1683
01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:21,061
Did Rezendes find a way
to get to Florida yet?
1684
01:24:21,090 --> 01:24:22,911
They just opened
the airport in Providence,
1685
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:24,161
he's on his way there now.
1686
01:24:24,170 --> 01:24:25,681
- Ben I'm gonna need more
people on Massport.
1687
01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:27,681
- I'll give you three of my guys.
1688
01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:29,811
Robby, put your team on that too.
Got it.
1689
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:32,521
- And Robby, everything else stops.
- Understood.
1690
01:24:32,780 --> 01:24:35,121
- Why is Mike going to Florida?
- Flight school.
1691
01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:36,340
That's where they
learn to fly.
1692
01:24:36,980 --> 01:24:38,131
Robby, I've got
1693
01:24:38,170 --> 01:24:40,001
a lot of victim
interviews set up this week.
1694
01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:41,281
- We got to cancel them.
1695
01:24:41,330 --> 01:24:42,481
- That's gonna be hard.
1696
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:43,141
I know.
1697
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:44,411
This is nuts. Two days ago,
1698
01:24:44,420 --> 01:24:45,631
I told my wife we
gotta be working...
1699
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,931
the biggest story
on the planet.
1700
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:50,441
- Boston Globe.
- Boston Globe, one moment please.
1701
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,351
- Yes if you have a tip, I...
- Boston Globe...
1702
01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:55,941
Mitchell Garabedian.
1703
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:57,721
Mitch, it's Mike.
I've been trying to reach you.
1704
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,541
I don't have time to talk
to you, Mr. Rezendes.
1705
01:24:59,570 --> 01:25:02,141
Hey just quickly. Did you
refile those docs yet?
1706
01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:03,356
No, I just got the order.
1707
01:25:03,390 --> 01:25:04,281
It takes time.
1708
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:05,521
- Okay, great.
Can you hold off...
1709
01:25:05,530 --> 01:25:06,421
on refiling...
- Hold off?
1710
01:25:06,432 --> 01:25:07,241
I have to go to Florida.
1711
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,151
Once you refile,
they're public.
1712
01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:10,981
Other newspapers will be able
to get a hold of them.
1713
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:13,421
Other newspapers
are not my concern.
1714
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:15,101
I received the judicial order.
1715
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:17,101
I told you, the Church
is watching me.
1716
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:18,411
Hey, Mitch, please.
1717
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:20,080
All I need is
a few more weeks.
1718
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,241
I can't make any promises.
Goodbye.
1719
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,771
Mitch! Mitch! Shit!
1720
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:28,760
Shit.
1721
01:25:37,710 --> 01:25:39,111
Look, I get it.
1722
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,311
No one wants to read about
kids getting raped by priests.
1723
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:42,871
Especially now, but you asked
1724
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:44,091
a lot of people to relive
1725
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:46,091
some very painful experiences...
1726
01:25:46,110 --> 01:25:48,431
Phil, you know why we were
taken off of this story.
1727
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:50,171
It's been six weeks since 9/11.
1728
01:25:50,190 --> 01:25:52,471
I realize that, and we're
gonna get back to it.
1729
01:25:52,490 --> 01:25:53,491
When?
1730
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:57,281
You're doing the same thing
you guys did the last time.
1731
01:25:57,295 --> 01:25:57,781
No.
1732
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:58,971
- You're dropping us.
- No.
1733
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,760
Maybe I should tell
the Herald that story.
1734
01:26:01,670 --> 01:26:03,821
Okay, Phil. You go
ahead and do that.
1735
01:26:04,410 --> 01:26:06,521
It'll undo all
the work we've done.
1736
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:07,821
But I can't stop you.
1737
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,121
Listen to me.
1738
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,511
I am here because I care.
1739
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:16,951
We're not going away.
1740
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,761
We're gonna tell this story,
we're gonna tell it right.
1741
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:21,281
We just need a little more time.
1742
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:22,811
That's all we're asking for.
1743
01:26:25,420 --> 01:26:27,071
Why bother asking?
1744
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:30,161
You're gonna do
what you want anyway.
1745
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:32,761
You always do.
1746
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:36,521
Phil. Phil!
1747
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:43,711
- Hey.
1748
01:26:43,870 --> 01:26:45,111
- How's South Beach?
1749
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:46,401
Boynton Beach.
1750
01:26:46,730 --> 01:26:48,401
Remarkably different place.
1751
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:49,441
What's up?
1752
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,681
Mitch Garabedian called me today.
1753
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:53,221
Why did he call you?
1754
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,521
Because he knew
you'd yell at him.
1755
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,321
He refiled the docs.
1756
01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:57,491
What?
1757
01:26:57,740 --> 01:26:59,491
Robby, those docs are public now.
1758
01:26:59,510 --> 01:27:00,975
We got to get there before
anyone else does.
1759
01:27:00,980 --> 01:27:02,121
I know, I know, I know.
1760
01:27:02,710 --> 01:27:04,121
Just wrap up whatever
you're doing,
1761
01:27:04,150 --> 01:27:05,591
and get the first flight out.
1762
01:27:05,620 --> 01:27:07,711
I'll book the flight now and go
straight to the courthouse tomorrow.
1763
01:27:07,730 --> 01:27:09,661
- All right, call me when you get in.
- Okay.
1764
01:27:11,770 --> 01:27:14,751
Robby, I'm going to let Phil Saviano
know that we're back on it.
1765
01:27:14,900 --> 01:27:16,151
Good idea.
1766
01:27:16,900 --> 01:27:18,151
Go have dinner with Hansi.
1767
01:27:18,170 --> 01:27:19,841
Might be the last
time for a while.
1768
01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:26,821
- Robby...
- Yeah?
1769
01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:29,570
After we saw Macleish, I started
going back through the clips...
1770
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:32,661
and I had a little time
last week finally, so...
1771
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:35,431
I found that.
1772
01:27:36,290 --> 01:27:37,531
It's from '93.
1773
01:27:39,650 --> 01:27:41,301
Lawyer for Porter victims says...
1774
01:27:41,310 --> 01:27:43,110
20 other priests in
area are accused.
1775
01:27:48,270 --> 01:27:49,270
Is that it?
1776
01:27:51,470 --> 01:27:53,051
Yeah, yeah...that's it.
1777
01:27:55,950 --> 01:27:59,491
- Good night.
- Okay. Good night.
1778
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,691
So I was probably a few
years after you, right?
1779
01:28:41,705 --> 01:28:44,801
No, you were more
than a few. Believe me.
1780
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,651
After BC High,
I came down to Providence...
1781
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,491
I played hockey for the Friars.
1782
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:53,632
Oh well, you must've
been pretty good.
1783
01:28:53,732 --> 01:28:55,891
No, rode the bench
in college. Yeah.
1784
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:57,401
But I love the city.
1785
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,281
And we just had
our third kid...
1786
01:29:00,510 --> 01:29:02,551
and I still get my Globe
for the record.
1787
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,821
That's good to know,
good to know.
1788
01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:06,871
Look, Kevin...
1789
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:09,671
It's actually why I'm here.
1790
01:29:11,190 --> 01:29:12,261
I...
1791
01:29:12,590 --> 01:29:15,161
need to ask you some
questions about Father Talbot.
1792
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:23,841
- How'd you find out?
1793
01:29:24,970 --> 01:29:26,241
- Well...
1794
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:29,131
I guess it doesn't matter.
1795
01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:37,571
I never even told my wife.
1796
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:40,720
Excuse me!
1797
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:47,858
- Hey, hey, I need
to get in there!
1798
01:29:47,865 --> 01:29:48,641
- We're closed.
1799
01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:49,951
Come on, let me in,
5 minutes.
1800
01:29:49,980 --> 01:29:50,941
I'm sorry, we're closed.
1801
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:52,351
C'mon. 5 minutes.
1802
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:53,640
Fuck!
1803
01:30:07,710 --> 01:30:08,801
Here you go.
1804
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:14,121
- This is the Geoghan case?
- That's right.
1805
01:30:14,980 --> 01:30:16,411
- Those records are sealed.
1806
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:18,011
- No. That's a public motion.
1807
01:30:18,030 --> 01:30:19,421
Those record are public.
1808
01:30:19,630 --> 01:30:20,821
Look, I work for the Globe.
1809
01:30:21,820 --> 01:30:22,820
Good for you.
1810
01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:26,121
- Can I talk to your supervisor?
1811
01:30:26,139 --> 01:30:27,311
- He's not in today.
1812
01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:29,471
What about a judge?
1813
01:30:29,490 --> 01:30:31,861
There must be judges that
work on this kind of thing.
1814
01:30:32,740 --> 01:30:33,740
6th floor.
1815
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,121
We understand the nature
1816
01:30:42,298 --> 01:30:43,840
of the allegations
against Father Talbot.
1817
01:30:44,410 --> 01:30:47,271
I'm just not sure what you
want from President Kemeza.
1818
01:30:48,250 --> 01:30:50,591
- Talbot taught here long
before Bill took over.
1819
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:51,691
- Of course.
1820
01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:53,991
We just want to know
if it's possible
1821
01:30:54,030 --> 01:30:56,141
that the president,
the faculty, the board,
1822
01:30:56,290 --> 01:30:58,050
that no one knew what
was going on at the time.
1823
01:30:58,190 --> 01:31:00,331
I graduated in 1979 and...
1824
01:31:00,590 --> 01:31:02,331
I had no idea
about any of this, so...
1825
01:31:02,630 --> 01:31:04,161
If you're suggesting
that Father Gibbons...
1826
01:31:04,180 --> 01:31:06,101
and Father Callahan,
had, in any way...
1827
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,841
Gibbons and Callahan...
1828
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,041
I mean they ran this
place like the Navy.
1829
01:31:10,970 --> 01:31:12,401
You really think
they didn't know?
1830
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,331
It's a big school, Robby.
You know that.
1831
01:31:16,150 --> 01:31:18,331
And we're talking
about seven
1832
01:31:18,336 --> 01:31:20,441
alleged victims over
what, eight years?
1833
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:23,841
Well, we're talking about, you know...
seven that we know about.
1834
01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:25,521
This is ridiculous!
1835
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,021
- You're reaching for a story here...
- Jack. Jack, Jack.
1836
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:32,791
If I had been president then,
I would have known.
1837
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:35,621
Bill, I'm not sure
that's relevant.
1838
01:31:35,650 --> 01:31:38,351
Why do you think they sent
Talbot up to Cheverus?
1839
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,701
You know, they wanted
him out of town.
1840
01:31:42,710 --> 01:31:43,551
Robby...
1841
01:31:43,770 --> 01:31:45,901
As well intentioned as
Bill's remarks are,
1842
01:31:45,904 --> 01:31:47,820
I'm hoping we can
keep this between us...
1843
01:31:47,823 --> 01:31:50,100
until we all get
on the same page.
1844
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:55,681
Is that why we are here?
To get on the same page?
1845
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,171
No. We're here because
you're an important
1846
01:31:57,290 --> 01:31:59,031
alumnus, Robby, and a friend.
1847
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:01,071
Exactly. And we know
1848
01:32:01,110 --> 01:32:03,091
you care about
the school as much as we do.
1849
01:32:05,060 --> 01:32:07,191
Did you play your
sport here, Jack?
1850
01:32:07,230 --> 01:32:09,011
Yeah, football. Why?
1851
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:10,921
I ran track.
1852
01:32:11,130 --> 01:32:13,321
You know, I went to
Providence yesterday...
1853
01:32:13,340 --> 01:32:15,501
talked to one of
Father Talbot's victims.
1854
01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:18,299
He played hockey here,
and
1855
01:32:18,333 --> 01:32:19,601
he's one of
the better ones.
1856
01:32:19,623 --> 01:32:21,511
He's got a wife, kids,
1857
01:32:21,710 --> 01:32:23,491
good job.
1858
01:32:23,710 --> 01:32:26,491
About ten minutes
into the conversation...
1859
01:32:27,930 --> 01:32:29,281
guy breaks down.
1860
01:32:29,890 --> 01:32:31,411
You know, couldn't stop crying.
1861
01:32:33,070 --> 01:32:34,771
Said he could never
figure out why
1862
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,551
Father Talbot picked him.
1863
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:41,211
Father Talbot coached
the hockey team.
1864
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:44,401
So...
1865
01:32:45,970 --> 01:32:47,791
I guess we just got lucky.
1866
01:32:48,770 --> 01:32:49,791
You and me.
1867
01:32:56,580 --> 01:32:57,871
Does Jack Dunn
work for the school?
1868
01:32:57,990 --> 01:33:00,110
No. He's PR for
Boston College.
1869
01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:02,091
They call him
when they need help.
1870
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,051
And Pete Conley,
why was he there?
1871
01:33:04,090 --> 01:33:05,311
Good question.
1872
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:07,311
Pete's a bigger lump, but
I called Bill directly...
1873
01:33:07,330 --> 01:33:08,741
and I asked for
a sit down.
1874
01:33:08,830 --> 01:33:10,341
I never mentioned anybody else.
1875
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,264
Looks like everybody
already knows the story.
1876
01:33:14,477 --> 01:33:16,511
Yeah, except us...
1877
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:17,901
and we work right there.
1878
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,531
- Judge Volterra?
- Yes.
1879
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:25,891
Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes
from The Boston Globe.
1880
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,331
I've been having some troubles
1881
01:33:27,420 --> 01:33:29,491
accessing some public records
down in the records room.
1882
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,201
I was wondering if I can
have a word with you?
1883
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:33,571
- All right.
- Thank you.
1884
01:33:39,220 --> 01:33:42,131
These exhibits you're
after, Mr. Rezendes...
1885
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,041
They're very sensitive records.
1886
01:33:45,730 --> 01:33:48,371
With all due respect, Your Honor,
that's not the question.
1887
01:33:49,230 --> 01:33:50,551
The records are public.
1888
01:33:51,870 --> 01:33:53,861
Maybe so, but tell me...
1889
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:56,728
Where is the editorial
responsibility
1890
01:33:56,733 --> 01:33:58,641
in publishing records
of this nature?
1891
01:33:58,780 --> 01:34:00,581
Well, where is the editorial
responsibility...
1892
01:34:00,596 --> 01:34:02,141
in not publishing them?
1893
01:34:12,860 --> 01:34:15,251
You can't take those.
You need to make copies.
1894
01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:18,041
- I'm going to the copy room.
- It's been closed at 4 p.m.
1895
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:24,831
Look, I'll give you...
1896
01:34:26,970 --> 01:34:28,631
$83 to use yours.
1897
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,241
Hey, cab!
1898
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:40,331
Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
1899
01:34:43,190 --> 01:34:45,281
Take me to The Boston Globe
on Morrissey Boulevard.
1900
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,971
Don't take 93,
take Dorchester Avenue.
1901
01:34:50,830 --> 01:34:52,231
Robby, it's incredible.
1902
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:55,491
Law knew about Geoghan
for years, no question.
1903
01:34:55,770 --> 01:34:57,741
There's a letter to Law
1904
01:34:57,755 --> 01:35:00,141
from a woman Margaret Gallant
who lived in Jamaica Plain...
1905
01:35:00,150 --> 01:35:01,940
in the early 80s when Geoghan
was there.
1906
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:02,760
Listen to this.
1907
01:35:03,210 --> 01:35:05,541
"Our family is rooted in
the Church."
1908
01:35:05,570 --> 01:35:08,321
"Our desire is to protect
the holy orders"
1909
01:35:08,510 --> 01:35:10,671
"even in the midst
of our agony"
1910
01:35:10,682 --> 01:35:12,271
"over the seven boys
in our family"
1911
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,071
"who have been violated."
1912
01:35:14,090 --> 01:35:15,981
Seven, Robby.
Seven boys!
1913
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:19,231
"It was suggested
we keep silent."
1914
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,681
"We did not question
the authority of the Church"
1915
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:22,928
"two years ago."
1916
01:35:23,062 --> 01:35:25,851
"But since Father Geoghan
is still in his parish..."
1917
01:35:25,930 --> 01:35:29,261
Which she sent to Law,
and Law did shit!
1918
01:35:29,730 --> 01:35:31,521
Here's another one
to Law, same year.
1919
01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:32,621
Listen to this.
1920
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:35,821
"Just a word on the recent
assignment to Father Geoghan"
1921
01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:38,371
"as an associate at
Saint Julius in Weston,"
1922
01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:41,671
"Father Geoghan has a history
of homosexual involvement"
1923
01:35:41,810 --> 01:35:43,221
"with young boys."
1924
01:35:43,528 --> 01:35:45,941
"I understand his recent departure
from Saint Brendan's may be"
1925
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:47,341
"related to this problem."
1926
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:49,321
"I wonder if Father Geoghan
should not be"
1927
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:51,211
"reduced to just
weekend work while"
1928
01:35:51,221 --> 01:35:52,650
"receiving some kind of therapy."
1929
01:35:53,090 --> 01:35:55,791
"You know how grateful I am to
you for you constant concern."
1930
01:35:55,810 --> 01:35:57,621
"Sincerely yours and our Lord,"
1931
01:35:57,660 --> 01:35:59,431
"Most reverend John M. Darcy,"
1932
01:35:59,450 --> 01:36:03,071
"Auxiliary Bishop of Boston,
December 7th, 1984."
1933
01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:04,351
- An auxiliary bishop wrote that?
1934
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:05,551
- That's incredible.
1935
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:09,471
He broke ranks, I mean...
when did Gallet write that letter?
1936
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:10,651
- 1984.
1937
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:11,851
- And Law just ignored it.
1938
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,581
How do you ignore
that freaking letter?
1939
01:36:13,730 --> 01:36:14,751
We got him.
1940
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,251
You can't read these letters
and think anything else.
1941
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:18,151
It's proof.
1942
01:36:18,220 --> 01:36:19,871
Yeah, it is.
1943
01:36:20,580 --> 01:36:22,161
- This is good work.
1944
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:24,161
- Should we take it up to Ben?
1945
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:27,941
- No, not yet.
1946
01:36:28,220 --> 01:36:29,641
- Why not?
1947
01:36:30,060 --> 01:36:31,481
We got Law. This is it.
1948
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,251
No, this is Law
covering for one priest.
1949
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:35,611
There's other 90 out there.
1950
01:36:35,780 --> 01:36:37,511
Yeah, we'll print that
story when we get it.
1951
01:36:37,650 --> 01:36:38,921
But we got to go
with this now.
1952
01:36:38,940 --> 01:36:40,971
No, I'm not gonna
rush this story, Mike.
1953
01:36:41,010 --> 01:36:42,306
But we don't have a choice, Robby.
1954
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:45,901
If we don't rush to print somebody
else is gonna find these letters...
1955
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,061
and butcher the story.
1956
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:49,801
John Quinby from the Herald
was at the freaking courthouse.
1957
01:36:50,010 --> 01:36:51,601
So we'll write a holding story...
1958
01:36:51,630 --> 01:36:53,191
and we'll keep our
eye on the Herald.
1959
01:36:53,210 --> 01:36:54,141
- Keep our eye on the Herald?
- Yeah.
1960
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:55,921
They run this and
they get it wrong,
1961
01:36:55,940 --> 01:36:57,081
the Church will bury it.
1962
01:36:57,140 --> 01:36:58,181
We got to do this now.
1963
01:36:58,210 --> 01:36:59,331
- Mike, Mike.
1964
01:36:59,350 --> 01:37:01,031
- What? Why are we hesitating?
1965
01:37:01,290 --> 01:37:03,281
Baron told us to get Law.
This is Law.
1966
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,511
Baron told us to
get the system.
1967
01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:07,011
We need the full scope.
1968
01:37:07,330 --> 01:37:09,451
That's the only thing that
will put an end to this.
1969
01:37:09,470 --> 01:37:11,211
Then let's take it up to
Ben and let him decide.
1970
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:13,561
We'll take to Ben
when I say it's time.
1971
01:37:13,580 --> 01:37:15,821
It's time, Robby! It's time!
1972
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,941
They knew and
they let it happen
1973
01:37:19,980 --> 01:37:22,321
to kids. Okay?
1974
01:37:22,580 --> 01:37:24,121
It could have been you.
It could have been me.
1975
01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:25,730
It could have
been any of us.
1976
01:37:26,980 --> 01:37:28,621
We gotta nail these scumbags.
1977
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:29,811
We gotta show people
1978
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:31,971
that nobody can
get away with this.
1979
01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:35,021
Not a priest or a cardinal,
or a freaking pope!
1980
01:37:38,030 --> 01:37:40,861
- You finished?
- Yeah, I am.
1981
01:37:41,660 --> 01:37:42,891
This is bullshit!
1982
01:38:12,860 --> 01:38:13,860
You okay?
1983
01:38:24,110 --> 01:38:27,281
- Hi, Hansi.
- Hard day at work, Mike?
1984
01:38:32,650 --> 01:38:33,711
- Here.
- Thank you.
1985
01:38:35,150 --> 01:38:37,831
I don't know why I got
so pissed off, you know.
1986
01:38:37,950 --> 01:38:39,031
I think Robby is wrong.
1987
01:38:39,090 --> 01:38:41,261
You know, you're just...
1988
01:38:41,390 --> 01:38:43,110
You care about
the story, Mike. We all do.
1989
01:38:44,990 --> 01:38:46,281
Yeah, I guess.
1990
01:38:49,900 --> 01:38:51,681
I stopped going to
church with my nana.
1991
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,041
It was...it was too
hard, you know.
1992
01:38:57,170 --> 01:38:58,401
I'd be sitting
there and I...
1993
01:38:58,413 --> 01:39:00,701
I would start thinking
about Joe Crowley
1994
01:39:00,730 --> 01:39:02,421
or someone else
and I just...
1995
01:39:02,930 --> 01:39:04,421
I just got so angry.
1996
01:39:05,580 --> 01:39:07,681
Did you, did you
tell her why?
1997
01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:11,161
She goes to Church
3 times a week, Mike.
1998
01:39:16,290 --> 01:39:17,831
It really pisses me off.
1999
01:39:19,530 --> 01:39:20,661
Yeah.
2000
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,571
I actually really liked going
to Church when I was a little kid.
2001
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,291
- Why did you stop?
2002
01:39:29,340 --> 01:39:30,691
- Typical shit.
2003
01:39:32,540 --> 01:39:33,981
But the weird thing is, is...
2004
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:38,901
I think I...
2005
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,001
I think I figured that
maybe one day I would...
2006
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,731
I would actually go back.
2007
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,721
I really, I was
holding on to that.
2008
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:55,261
Then I read
those letters and...
2009
01:39:56,830 --> 01:39:58,461
And something just...
2010
01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:00,761
cracked.
2011
01:40:02,170 --> 01:40:04,231
- It's a shitty feeling.
- Yeah.
2012
01:40:05,670 --> 01:40:07,231
It's a shitty feeling.
2013
01:40:11,610 --> 01:40:13,641
- Looks like a long day.
- Hey Pete.
2014
01:40:13,660 --> 01:40:15,301
I'm sorry to make it longer.
2015
01:40:16,090 --> 01:40:17,091
Brian...
2016
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:20,641
Has anyone ever said no
to a drink with you, Pete?
2017
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:23,151
Well, sure.
2018
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,351
The trick is to keep asking.
2019
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:27,821
- For Boston.
- For Boston.
2020
01:40:30,970 --> 01:40:33,501
- So...you're here
for the Cardinal?
2021
01:40:33,670 --> 01:40:36,401
- No, no, no. I wouldn't.
2022
01:40:36,510 --> 01:40:39,220
I wouldn't presume to speak
for the Cardinal, no.
2023
01:40:40,751 --> 01:40:41,776
You know?
2024
01:40:42,380 --> 01:40:44,561
You get a lot of people
here respect you, Robby.
2025
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,281
- Yeah.
- With work you do.
2026
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:48,201
- That's good to know.
2027
01:40:48,220 --> 01:40:49,991
- You know, it's cause you
care about this place.
2028
01:40:50,190 --> 01:40:50,801
Yeah.
2029
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:52,771
That's why you do what
you do, that's who you are.
2030
01:40:53,660 --> 01:40:55,881
You know people
need the Church.
2031
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,581
More than ever right now.
2032
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:00,891
You know, you can feel it.
2033
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:02,811
And the Cardinal...
2034
01:41:04,630 --> 01:41:07,471
You know, the Cardinal,
he might not be perfect...
2035
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,196
But we can't throw out
all the good he's doing...
2036
01:41:10,202 --> 01:41:11,721
over few bad apples.
2037
01:41:13,580 --> 01:41:15,171
Now, you know I'm
bringing this up to you...
2038
01:41:15,177 --> 01:41:18,271
because I know this is
Baron's idea, his agenda.
2039
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,361
I gotta tell you,
honest to God, I mean...
2040
01:41:21,380 --> 01:41:23,451
He doesn't care about
this city the way we do.
2041
01:41:24,690 --> 01:41:25,811
I mean, how could he?
2042
01:41:32,530 --> 01:41:35,641
- This is how it happens isn't it, Pete?
- What's that?
2043
01:41:35,870 --> 01:41:38,581
Guy leans on a guy,
and suddenly...
2044
01:41:38,610 --> 01:41:40,841
the whole town just
looks the other way.
2045
01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:44,311
Robby, Robby...
2046
01:41:45,570 --> 01:41:46,621
Look it...
2047
01:41:47,570 --> 01:41:49,921
Marty Baron is just
trying to make his mark.
2048
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:51,871
He's gonna be here
for a couple of years...
2049
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:53,501
and he's gonna move on,
2050
01:41:53,530 --> 01:41:55,801
just like he did in
New York and Miami.
2051
01:41:57,790 --> 01:41:59,111
Where are you gonna go?
2052
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:06,731
Good night, Robby. Brian.
2053
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:10,461
- Hey Pete?
- Yeah.
2054
01:42:12,630 --> 01:42:14,551
When we do run the story,
2055
01:42:14,910 --> 01:42:17,171
I'm gonna need a comment
from the Cardinal.
2056
01:42:19,310 --> 01:42:21,871
We'll talk again later.
Good night, Robby.
2057
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:22,901
Good night, Pete.
2058
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:34,760
Robby.
2059
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:37,771
What?
2060
01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:40,171
No shit. When?
2061
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,511
Okay. Yeah.
2062
01:42:47,770 --> 01:42:48,770
Hey...
2063
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:50,910
What's up?
2064
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:54,381
Sweeney ruled in our favor.
2065
01:42:54,510 --> 01:42:56,581
She ruled to
unseal the documents.
2066
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:59,310
Jesus!
2067
01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:05,041
Church has already
filed an appeal...
2068
01:43:05,070 --> 01:43:06,621
but the trial court of ruling...
2069
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,621
is generally upheld
in these matters.
2070
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:10,751
And when do we
get the documents?
2071
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,721
Probably takes common
a few weeks to rule...
2072
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:15,571
and then there's
a redaction process.
2073
01:43:16,230 --> 01:43:19,031
I'd say it would be made
public mid-January.
2074
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:21,100
- Okay.
- All right.
2075
01:43:21,220 --> 01:43:22,361
- Thanks, Jon.
- You bet.
2076
01:43:22,570 --> 01:43:23,890
- Nice work.
- Thanks.
2077
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:26,091
- Metro should run
something, Marty.
2078
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:28,091
- We can't run this one big.
2079
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:29,861
Why wouldn't we?
2080
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:31,611
It's a major
First Amendment victory.
2081
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,831
Not to mention you got
an Irish Catholic Judge
2082
01:43:33,860 --> 01:43:35,300
ruling against the Church.
2083
01:43:35,420 --> 01:43:36,851
- That's a hell of a precedent.
2084
01:43:37,420 --> 01:43:39,851
- We don't want the Herald
going deep on this.
2085
01:43:40,580 --> 01:43:41,701
Why is that?
2086
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:45,671
- You're gonna have
to step out, Peter.
2087
01:43:46,010 --> 01:43:47,271
- I'm not stepping out.
2088
01:43:56,170 --> 01:43:57,241
Peter...
2089
01:44:11,820 --> 01:44:14,041
- When did you...?
- Couple of weeks ago.
2090
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:15,361
Couple of weeks?
2091
01:44:15,450 --> 01:44:16,241
Yeah.
2092
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:18,801
- And you're telling us now?
- These are substantial.
2093
01:44:20,060 --> 01:44:22,391
They clearly show
that Law was negligent.
2094
01:44:23,230 --> 01:44:25,631
I need more time.
I wanna keep digging.
2095
01:44:25,970 --> 01:44:27,311
- For what? This is
the goddamn story.
2096
01:44:27,370 --> 01:44:28,711
It's not the whole story.
2097
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,311
Tough shit, we're on
a clock now.
2098
01:44:30,700 --> 01:44:32,181
Even if we don't
run Sweeney's rulings
2099
01:44:32,220 --> 01:44:34,341
another paper could find this
letters and fuck the story.
2100
01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:35,471
Agreed.
2101
01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:36,831
But we run these letters alone,
2102
01:44:36,843 --> 01:44:38,761
Law apologizes, says
it's one time thing...
2103
01:44:38,780 --> 01:44:40,080
and he can bury it.
2104
01:44:40,250 --> 01:44:41,841
How? These clearly
show he knew
2105
01:44:41,870 --> 01:44:43,031
and did nothing about it.
2106
01:44:43,050 --> 01:44:46,081
Look, I'm close
to stories on 70 priests.
2107
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:49,451
We nail that along
with those letters,
2108
01:44:49,480 --> 01:44:52,141
this is proof that this
is bigger than Law.
2109
01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:54,351
This is the whole system.
2110
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:56,841
Your multiple sources
2111
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:58,581
confirming all those priests?
2112
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:00,341
Some. I'll get more.
2113
01:45:00,740 --> 01:45:02,796
Too risky. If we're
not buttoned-up
2114
01:45:02,803 --> 01:45:05,081
on every single one of them
the Church will pick us apart.
2115
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:09,401
I think I can get us someone
from the other side of the isle.
2116
01:45:09,650 --> 01:45:11,351
- Somebody inside the Church?
2117
01:45:12,050 --> 01:45:13,451
- Yeah, a lawyer.
2118
01:45:13,950 --> 01:45:15,221
- Will he go on the record?
2119
01:45:16,150 --> 01:45:18,581
Deep background,
but he's a solid source.
2120
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,581
Rezendes needs time
to write the story.
2121
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:26,091
We don't want to drop
it at Christmas,
2122
01:45:26,110 --> 01:45:27,241
not after the 9/11.
2123
01:45:28,530 --> 01:45:30,681
We can run it just
after New Year's.
2124
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:33,041
Before they release
the rest of the documents.
2125
01:45:36,970 --> 01:45:37,970
All right.
2126
01:45:39,140 --> 01:45:41,711
Tell Canellos to bury
the ruling in Metro.
2127
01:45:43,610 --> 01:45:46,501
- You got six weeks.
- Thank you.
2128
01:45:47,850 --> 01:45:49,931
Tell Mike I want
a draft by Christmass.
2129
01:45:49,950 --> 01:45:52,631
- And we need a response
from Lake Street. - Yeah.
2130
01:45:52,650 --> 01:45:53,661
Who does PR for the Cardinal?
2131
01:45:53,770 --> 01:45:54,611
Still John Walsh?
2132
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,011
No, somebody new.
Donna Morrissey.
2133
01:45:56,110 --> 01:45:57,631
She came from TV.
She's young.
2134
01:45:57,790 --> 01:46:00,871
Good, get a quote. If we need
something from Law, you handle it.
2135
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:03,101
Robby, next time give me
a goddamn heads up.
2136
01:46:03,370 --> 01:46:04,370
Will do.
2137
01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:08,891
SPECIAL REPORT
SPOTLIGHT ARTICLE #1 - GEOGHAN LETTERS.
2138
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:10,591
Almost alway, his victims
were grammar school boys.
2139
01:46:10,594 --> 01:46:11,896
One was 4 years old.
2140
01:46:20,990 --> 01:46:22,550
You have 21 days and
4 hours until deadline
2141
01:46:23,340 --> 01:46:25,441
...that Church officials
never told him why...
2142
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:44,360
You have 8 days and
2 hours until deadline
2143
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,011
...Three years later,
Geoghan was still...
2144
01:46:50,834 --> 01:46:53,591
Where are we on your source?
It's time. Ben
2145
01:47:27,820 --> 01:47:29,901
Robby, what a nice surprise.
2146
01:47:30,420 --> 01:47:31,601
Come on in.
2147
01:47:38,730 --> 01:47:41,531
Hey, hon. Look who
I found outside.
2148
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,211
Karen, can you
give us a minute?
2149
01:47:48,140 --> 01:47:51,101
- Sure.
- Good to see you, Karen.
2150
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:55,481
What's up?
2151
01:48:10,660 --> 01:48:11,981
I'm out of time, Jim.
2152
01:48:13,300 --> 01:48:16,341
We got cover-up stories
on 70 priests.
2153
01:48:16,670 --> 01:48:18,581
But the boss is
not gonna run it...
2154
01:48:18,630 --> 01:48:21,081
unless I got confirmation
from your side.
2155
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,951
Are you out of your mind?
2156
01:48:24,980 --> 01:48:27,461
C'mon. This is
our town, Jimmy.
2157
01:48:27,710 --> 01:48:29,901
Everybody knew
something was going on.
2158
01:48:30,210 --> 01:48:31,501
And no one did a thing.
2159
01:48:32,410 --> 01:48:34,171
We got to put
an end to it.
2160
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:35,921
Don't tell me
what I got to do.
2161
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:38,291
Yeah, I helped
defend these scumbags,
2162
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,031
but that's my job, Robby.
2163
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,031
I was doing my job!
2164
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:44,071
Yeah.
2165
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:47,041
You were never one of us.
2166
01:48:55,740 --> 01:48:57,431
Get out of my house.
2167
01:49:08,420 --> 01:49:09,420
Hey!
2168
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,741
You come to my home and
lay this shit on me?
2169
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:16,511
You were right, Robby.
2170
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:19,941
We all knew
something was going on.
2171
01:49:19,980 --> 01:49:21,521
So where were you?
2172
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:24,221
What took you so long?
2173
01:49:30,810 --> 01:49:32,191
I don't know, Jim.
2174
01:49:37,550 --> 01:49:38,761
Give me the list.
2175
01:50:35,500 --> 01:50:36,771
Larry, we're gonna
press in 6 hours.
2176
01:50:36,774 --> 01:50:39,551
Donna Morrissey says she called
with a quote from Law hours ago.
2177
01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:41,651
- That's what I thought.
- When did you talk to her?
2178
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:43,041
- Okay, okay, bye.
2179
01:50:43,870 --> 01:50:46,041
- Yeah, yeah, that's
good to know.
2180
01:50:46,380 --> 01:50:48,571
- Thanks, Pete.
- Anything?
2181
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:50,875
Conley said that Donna Morrissey
should have called.
2182
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:51,781
He just left Lake Street.
2183
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,861
Yeah. Resky said
the same thing.
2184
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:54,878
This is ridiculous.
2185
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:56,375
You think they wanna
get ahead on this.
2186
01:50:56,380 --> 01:50:58,030
I mean they'd be
idiots not to.
2187
01:50:58,190 --> 01:51:01,701
I would love to see their faces
when they read this thing, man.
2188
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,671
You know Sunday is the Feast
of the Epiphany?
2189
01:51:04,330 --> 01:51:05,330
Seems appropriate.
2190
01:51:11,770 --> 01:51:12,881
Mike Rezendes.
2191
01:51:14,740 --> 01:51:15,581
Hey, Donna.
2192
01:51:16,270 --> 01:51:17,081
Thanks for calling.
2193
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:19,301
Yeah. I just had a few questions
if you have a minute.
2194
01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:23,531
What?
2195
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:26,921
- Other adjective.
2196
01:51:28,820 --> 01:51:31,061
- Anything?
- Law just turned us down.
2197
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:32,141
- Jesus Christ.
2198
01:51:32,380 --> 01:51:34,041
- I just got off the phone
with Donna Morrissey, and
2199
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:35,981
she said, quote
"We don't even want
2200
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:37,211
to know what
the questions are."
2201
01:51:37,230 --> 01:51:39,071
- End quote.
- She really said that?
2202
01:51:39,130 --> 01:51:41,061
- Yeah.
- Well, that oughta do it.
2203
01:51:41,340 --> 01:51:43,501
The Church had no
interest in knowing
2204
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:45,651
what the Globe's
questions would be.
2205
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:49,541
Work it in somewhere before
the jam. Anything else?
2206
01:51:49,740 --> 01:51:52,501
Matt wants to put the letters
online, so that the readers...
2207
01:51:52,505 --> 01:51:53,501
can see for themselves.
2208
01:51:53,530 --> 01:51:55,961
We can run the URL at
the bottom of the article ...
2209
01:51:56,180 --> 01:51:57,861
- it's pretty straightforward.
- Okay.
2210
01:51:57,890 --> 01:52:00,021
We also put the Spotlight tip
line at the end of the story
2211
01:52:00,060 --> 01:52:01,511
so people can call in.
2212
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:02,921
It goes directly
to our office.
2213
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:04,181
Matt and I can go
in in the morning
2214
01:52:04,190 --> 01:52:05,411
in case we get any calls.
2215
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:07,481
I'm more concerned about
the phones at reception.
2216
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:08,911
After we ran the Porter case,
2217
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:10,511
the message centers
were tied up for weeks.
2218
01:52:10,670 --> 01:52:11,651
That's a real problem.
2219
01:52:11,670 --> 01:52:13,751
There were picketers, too.
Lots of them.
2220
01:52:13,970 --> 01:52:16,431
I'll talk to Richard about
the security and the phones.
2221
01:52:17,170 --> 01:52:19,321
How are we coming
on the follow story?
2222
01:52:20,110 --> 01:52:22,711
Well we've now done multiple
stories on 70 priests.
2223
01:52:23,850 --> 01:52:24,951
All 70?
2224
01:52:25,050 --> 01:52:27,351
And with confirmation
from Robby's source,
2225
01:52:27,370 --> 01:52:28,091
we are ready to go.
2226
01:52:28,130 --> 01:52:29,501
We can have a draft next week.
2227
01:52:29,630 --> 01:52:31,901
Robby, that source of yours,
2228
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:33,601
is it something
we could revisit?
2229
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:36,990
It might be tough.
2230
01:52:37,130 --> 01:52:38,523
But he has no problem helping
2231
01:52:38,530 --> 01:52:40,461
the Church protect
dozens of dirty priests.
2232
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,471
- Guy is a scumbag.
- He's a lawyer, he's doing his job.
2233
01:52:43,490 --> 01:52:45,821
- He's a show for the Church.
- He knew and did nothing.
2234
01:52:45,930 --> 01:52:48,041
He could have said something
years ago. Maybe save some lives.
2235
01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:49,300
What about us?
2236
01:52:51,110 --> 01:52:52,441
- What's that supposed to mean?
2237
01:52:52,510 --> 01:52:53,941
- We had all the pieces.
2238
01:52:54,540 --> 01:52:56,241
- Why didn't we get it sooner?
2239
01:52:56,260 --> 01:52:57,241
- We didn't have all the pieces.
2240
01:52:57,260 --> 01:53:00,241
We had Saviano, we had Barrett,
we had Geoghan.
2241
01:53:00,530 --> 01:53:02,201
We had the directories
in the basement.
2242
01:53:02,350 --> 01:53:03,541
- You know what,
we got it now.
2243
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:05,781
- Robby, this story
needed Spotlight.
2244
01:53:06,300 --> 01:53:08,741
- Mike, Spotlight's been
around since 1970.
2245
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:10,701
So what? We couldn't see
2246
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,101
the scope of this.
No one could.
2247
01:53:12,130 --> 01:53:14,221
Robby, this started
with one goddamn priest.
2248
01:53:17,170 --> 01:53:20,151
Macleish sent us a letter
of 20 priests years ago.
2249
01:53:20,170 --> 01:53:21,451
Sacha found a clip.
2250
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,211
Are you kidding, 20 priests?
2251
01:53:24,740 --> 01:53:25,711
When?
2252
01:53:27,210 --> 01:53:29,611
Just after Porter,
December '93.
2253
01:53:29,900 --> 01:53:32,941
I buried the story
in Metro. No follow.
2254
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:35,541
That was you?
2255
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:38,441
You were Metro?
2256
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:41,251
Yeah. That was me.
2257
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:44,451
I just didn't know and
I don't remember at all.
2258
01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:47,230
But yeah.
2259
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,961
Can I, uh, say something here?
2260
01:53:56,710 --> 01:53:58,681
Sometimes it's
easy to forget
2261
01:53:58,690 --> 01:53:59,781
that we spend
most of our time...
2262
01:53:59,810 --> 01:54:01,791
stumbling around in the dark.
2263
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,501
Suddenly a light
gets turned on and
2264
01:54:04,510 --> 01:54:07,241
there's a fair share
of blame to go around.
2265
01:54:08,740 --> 01:54:10,251
I can't speak
to what happened
2266
01:54:10,260 --> 01:54:11,961
before I arrived, but...
2267
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,371
All of you have done some
very good reporting here.
2268
01:54:16,460 --> 01:54:18,411
Reporting that I
believe is gonna have
2269
01:54:18,450 --> 01:54:20,931
an immediate and
considerable impact
2270
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:22,341
on our readers.
2271
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,741
For me, this kind of
story is why we do this.
2272
01:54:28,300 --> 01:54:30,151
Having said that,
Cardinal Law and
2273
01:54:30,155 --> 01:54:31,851
the Catholic community
are gonna have
2274
01:54:31,858 --> 01:54:33,691
a very strong
response to this.
2275
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:38,951
So if you need a moment,
you've earned it.
2276
01:54:39,550 --> 01:54:44,431
But I will need you back here
Monday morning, focused
2277
01:54:45,020 --> 01:54:46,561
and ready to do your job.
2278
01:54:55,300 --> 01:54:57,771
- Leaving?
- Yeah.
2279
01:55:03,810 --> 01:55:06,631
I, uh, just got a
call from the Cardinal.
2280
01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:08,331
Really? Why?
2281
01:55:08,340 --> 01:55:12,451
He wanted to tell me personally
they decided not to comment and
2282
01:55:12,780 --> 01:55:16,661
said he wanted
to extend the courtesy.
2283
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:19,721
Jesus, the balls on that guy.
What did you say?
2284
01:55:20,150 --> 01:55:23,141
I told him he was making a mistake
and that we're gonna run the story.
2285
01:55:23,490 --> 01:55:25,161
Damn right we're gonna run it.
2286
01:55:50,450 --> 01:55:53,521
Sacha, can I have
a drink of water?
2287
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:55,971
Yeah, sure, nana. Yeah.
2288
01:56:07,340 --> 01:56:08,340
Can I keep this?
2289
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:11,371
Sure.
2290
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,371
I thought you
should see it first.
2291
01:56:13,980 --> 01:56:15,131
Thank you for bringing it by.
2292
01:56:18,450 --> 01:56:20,861
Now I have some plans
I have to attend to.
2293
01:56:39,070 --> 01:56:40,521
Both kids were abused.
2294
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:42,841
Jamaica Plain two weeks ago.
2295
01:56:45,210 --> 01:56:48,851
Keep...doing your
work, Mr. Rezendes.
2296
01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:52,391
Hello!
2297
01:56:52,810 --> 01:56:54,271
How are you guys doing?
2298
01:56:55,684 --> 01:56:57,072
Good...
2299
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:23,441
Church allowed abuse
by priest for years
2300
01:57:43,370 --> 01:57:45,501
- Hey.
- Good morning.
2301
01:57:46,230 --> 01:57:49,901
- How did you sleep?
- Not very well. You?
2302
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:51,491
I haven't slept well for months.
2303
01:57:54,170 --> 01:57:55,901
I... Actually started writing.
2304
01:57:56,530 --> 01:57:57,281
Writing?
2305
01:57:57,300 --> 01:57:58,711
Yeah. I'm working on a book.
2306
01:57:58,730 --> 01:58:00,541
Gives me something
else to focus on.
2307
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:02,021
- What kind of book?
2308
01:58:02,380 --> 01:58:03,021
- Horror.
2309
01:58:10,590 --> 01:58:11,590
Spotlight?
2310
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:14,871
Yeah, yeah. Of course.
2311
01:58:15,230 --> 01:58:16,871
Can I get your name please?
2312
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:36,401
- You do know it's sunday, right?
- Couldn't get a tee time.
2313
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:40,901
No picketers.
2314
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:43,861
Yeah. Well they're
still at church.
2315
01:58:46,490 --> 01:58:49,051
Hey Linda. It's quiet?
2316
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,441
Yeah. Easiest overtime
I ever made.
2317
01:58:51,570 --> 01:58:53,071
Phone hasn't rung once.
2318
01:58:53,300 --> 01:58:55,391
Matty send two of mine
down to Spotlight.
2319
01:58:59,140 --> 01:59:00,371
- Great article, guys.
- Thank you.
2320
01:59:00,410 --> 01:59:02,671
- Thanks.
- Spotlight?
2321
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:30,671
Phones have been
ringing all morning.
2322
01:59:30,700 --> 01:59:32,281
- That's right.
- Thank you very much.
2323
01:59:32,570 --> 01:59:33,451
Spotlight?
2324
01:59:33,540 --> 01:59:35,531
- Mike, can you grab that?
- Yeah, yeah.
2325
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:38,631
They're almost all victims, Robby.
2326
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:42,120
I'm sorry...
2327
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:43,481
This is Sacha Pfeiffer.
2328
01:59:44,130 --> 01:59:45,161
I'm sorry, can I...?
2329
01:59:47,380 --> 01:59:48,791
Yes, you can reach me...
2330
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:50,960
This is Spotlight.
2331
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:07,621
This is Spotlight.