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CHRIS BELL:
January 23, 1984.
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It was a day that
changed my life forever.
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PRESIDENT REAGAN: ...The muscle,
the moral courage that built
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the greatest, freest nation
the world has ever known.
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CHRIS: Ronald Reagan
was our President
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and there was trouble
brewing in Iran.
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I was just a kid,
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but I knew
who was behind it.
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His name was
The Iron Sheik.
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ANNOUNCER:
From Tehran, Iran,
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weighing 258 lbs,
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The Iron Sheik!
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COMMENTATOR: They have a lot of
hate in their hearts for this man.
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Iran-- number one!
U.S.A.-- ( spits )
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CHRIS: You see, Reagan
may have freed the hostages
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but The Sheik still had
the championship belt.
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There was only one man
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that could save us.
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# I am a real
American... #
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ANNOUNCER: From Venice
Beach, California,
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the incredible
Hulk Hogan!
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COMMENTATOR: And the
Hulkster rips off that shirt.
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CHRIS: But three
minutes into the match
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Hulk Hogan was locked in
the dreaded camel clutch.
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COMMENTATOR:
It's over for the Hulk.
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CHRIS: This move would snap
the back of a normal man,
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But this wasn't
a normal man.
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This was Hulk Hogan
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and he was fighting
for our country.
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The Hulkster got out
of the camel clutch
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with the Sheik
on his back,
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dropped the big leg
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and he pinned
the Sheik.
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Hulkamania was born
and the message was clear--
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You don't mess
with Hulk Hogan
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and you certainly
don't mess with America.
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I must break you.
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CHRIS: Look what
happened to Ivan Drago.
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He tried to mess
with America
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and Rocky
kicked his ass.
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And then when the Vietnamese
were holding P.O.W.S
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Rambo went in and
he kicked their ass.
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And in the spirit
of Rambo
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let me tell you we're
gonna win this time.
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CHRIS: Then came
Arnold Schwarzenegger,
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The ultimate
ass-kicker.
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I never saw "Gone With
the Wind" or "Casablanca,"
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but I can tell you every
line of every Arnold movie.
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"Crush your enemies, see
them driven before you
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and hear the lamentations
of the women."
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( mimics ) "Dylan,
you son of a bitch."
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And they go bam! And they're all oiled
up and their veins are popping out.
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I have the power!
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TV ANNOUNCER:
Better, Stronger, Faster.
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CHRIS: I was just 12 years old
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and there was an explosion
of ass-kicking in America.
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REAGAN: And like
our Olympic athletes
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we set our sights
on the stars
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and we're going
for the gold.
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# the eye of the tiger. #
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CHRIS: I wanted to
tear off my shirt
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and be ripped, tanned
and larger than life.
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But in reality
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I was a fat, pale kid
from Poughkeepsie.
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You see, I come from
an overweight family.
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My parents were always a
little on the heavy side.
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I couldn't ask
for a better mom.
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She did everything
for her three boys.
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We went to church
three times a week
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and she even taught
Sunday school.
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My dad was always
there for us too
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and he even coached
our little league teams.
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I love my dad, but he
was never really my hero.
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I didn't want
to be like him.
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I wanted to be
like Arnold.
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Problem is, I was always
too small, too short.
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People would say, "Hey, Little Bell.
What's up, Little Bell?"
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And I didn't want
to be Little Bell.
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I wanted to be
Big Bell.
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My older brother Mike
was a little chubby
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and every morning
when he went to school
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he'd get on the bus and the
kids would call him Pugsley.
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He didn't like that
too much,
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so he beat
some of those kids up.
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That's where he got
the nickname "Mad Dog."
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Mark was
the baby of the family.
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He had a hard time
in school.
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He was separated
from his friends
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and put in the class
with the special kids.
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It didn't make him feel
very special at all.
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He hated school,
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So he spent all of his
time playing sports.
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He'd come to the dinner
table dripping with sweat.
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Mad Dog and I
nicknamed him "Smelly."
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So I was the short kid,
Mad Dog was the fat kid
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And Smelly had
a learning disability.
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Okay, I get it.
We're never gonna make it, right?
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But for us, we knew
muscles were the answer
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and the Hulkster
showed us the way.
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Train, say your prayers,
eat your vitamins.
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Be true to yourself,
true to your country.
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Be a real American.
( exhales )
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CHRIS: So we started
training in the basement.
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We'd body-slam
each other,
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drop elbows, D.D.T.S
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Double noggin knocker,
the abdominal stretch,
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the iron claw,
the Boston crab
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the piledriver.
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And when Mad Dog
was too tough for me
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I would break out
the steel chair.
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My mom's brother John
was a bodybuilder
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and he gave me and my brothers
our first muscle magazines
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and showed us
how to work out.
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And the next Christmas
instead of video games
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we got the Hulkamania
workout set.
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- Are you ready to feel the power?
- ( crowd cheering )
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Ladies and gentlemen,
we are
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the power team!
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CHRIS: Mad Dog became the
captain of the football team
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and Smelly and I both started
competing in power lifting.
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ANNOUNCER:
Chris Bell is next at 425.
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CHRIS: Soon I was the
strongest kid in my high school.
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Then I broke
the New York State record.
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And that's when I first got
accused of using steroids.
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I knew guys who used
them, but they were losers.
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If my heroes didn't need
steroids then neither did I.
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By the time
I was a senior
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I was one of the strongest
kids in the country.
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Hulk Hogan was always
talking about
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"hanging and banging down at
Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, brother."
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I thought, "that's
where Arnold trains.
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that's where
I need to be."
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I was gonna be
an American hero
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And I was willing to do
whatever it takes.
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( alarm buzzes )
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( sighs )
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( buzzing )
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CHRIS: It's been 15 years
since I got to California
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and now
I'm 33 years old.
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When Arnold was 33
he'd already won
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the Mr. Olympia
seven times.
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Stallone had already made
"Rocky I and Rocky II."
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And the Hulkster
had already been
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the heavyweight champion
four years in a row.
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I really thought muscles
were gonna be the answer.
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But all they got me was a
job selling gym memberships.
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I still train
every day at Gold's,
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But the only thing left of Arnold
is a cheap mural on the wall
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and a bunch of guys telling
stories about the old days,
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like my buddy Paul.
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It's changed a lot in
all these years, you know.
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How long
have you been here?
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Since 1980.
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Of course, Arnold was
on the scene and Arnold--
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Nobody had ever seen anybody
who looked like Arnold.
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Sylvester Stallone had
just done the "Rocky" movies
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and he was the type of
guy that I could relate to.
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CHRIS: Paul even got a chance to
work with Sly in "Over the Top."
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I should be able to
blow them away real easy.
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PAUL: I couldn't believe
the dream was coming true.
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And did you get a chance
to do it again?
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No, but I'm hoping
to get back in shape
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to be able to make that
a reality.
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You can be
on the street one day
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and you can be in the
penthouse the next.
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Anything's possible.
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This is
my humble abode.
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- Your humble abode right here?
- Yeah.
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So do you actually
live in the van?
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I actually live--
well, I sleep in it,
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let's put it
this way, yes.
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You sleep in it. And
then you train over here.
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I train here, yeah.
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You would see
vans like this--
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Guys would come from
all over the world,
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sleep in their cars,
this and that--
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Anything to get a chance
to train at Gold's Gym
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because we had
something special here.
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What would you say
to people that say,
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"the dream's over, man.
You're 50 years old."
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What would you say
to those people?
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They're the ones
that are short-sighted.
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Now in six months I
could still be in the van,
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but if I can
outlift everybody,
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I can outsquat them, outbench
them, out-dead-lift them,
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- Who's the king?
- ( chuckles )
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Guys like you and me
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Can fulfill our dreams.
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We can train.
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Game ain't over.
The sun is shining.
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And it ain't over.
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CHRIS: Is that gonna
be me in 20 years?
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I did everything
my heroes said--
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I trained,
I said my prayers,
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I had my vitamins.
Where did I go wrong?
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- Hey, good morning.
- Good morning.
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How are you?
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I always make the cookie bars
'cause cookie bars are important.
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What teams did you
make these for?
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I made them for Arlington
football teams
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first time ever
they won a ball game.
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They used to call them
"Rosie's cookie bars"
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and they really believe that
they help them win all the games.
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Wouldn't that be like
performance enhancement?
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It's not an enhancement.
It's a little bit of sugar,
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which can get you going,
carbs.
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But it's all natural
ingredients.
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There's no steroids
in here.
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Eating your mom's cooking is sort
of comforting, don't you think?
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Sure.
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Things change,
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but the cookie bars remain,
that's for sure.
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CHRIS:
My mom likes to think
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that the world is as pure
as her cookie bars.
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But life isn't always
like that.
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And a lot of things we grew up
believing ended up not being true.
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First I found out there's
no such thing as Santa Claus
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or the easter bunny.
That kind of sucks.
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Then I saw
this news report.
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REPORTER: The Iron Sheik
had been arrested recently
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along with wrestler
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
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while driving along
the Garden State Parkway.
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The Iron Sheik was charged with
possession of cocaine and marijuana.
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What has interested most
wrestling fans in this case
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is that the Iron Sheik and Hacksaw
are known to be adversaries.
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So why were they
traveling together?
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CHRIS: Yeah, I thought
these guys hated each other.
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COMMENTATOR: Wham! Right on
the back of the Iron Sheik!
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CHRIS: Was their feud all made up?
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Was wrestling fake?
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Who's left
to believe in anymore?
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Well, at least
I still had my heroes.
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Those guys would never
let me down.
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# I need a hero... #
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REPORTER: Today Hogan
admits the famous physique
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was the result
of 12 years of steroids.
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CHRIS: Truth is, all my heroes
had a dirty little secret.
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Hollywood actor Sylvester
Stallone has been charged
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with importing
bodybuilding drugs
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when he visited Australia
last month.
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- MAN: Did you take steroids?
- I take them.
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I took them, yeah,
up until the competition.
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CHRIS: I was always
against steroids
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and when I found out that
all my heroes used them
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I'd like to say it didn't
bother me, but it really did.
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I can't imagine
how my mom would feel
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if she found out
that both of my brothers
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are on steroids
right now.
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My older brother
started using steroids
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when he went to play
Division I football
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at the University
of Cincinnati.
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When I got to Cincinnati the
practices were so grueling,
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much more than
what I expected.
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Coaches would say, "you gotta
get bigger, stronger, faster."
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- CHRIS: Was it intimidating?
- Oh, man,
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A lot different than I
thought it was gonna be.
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SHELDON BELL: He called me from Cincinnati
and asked me for money for steroids.
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I said, "what do you need that for?"
he says, "I can't compete here."
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So I'm like, "I don't know what
that is. It sounds like drugs."
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He goes, "it is drugs." I said, "I'm
not gonna send you money for drugs.
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If you want drugs
go get a job."
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I remember at one point I
think you maybe came home
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for a break
or you did something
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and you told me, "hey,
come here, help me out."
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And you pulled down your pants and you're
like, "you have to inject this in me."
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And I hated it 'cause I was
totally against steroids.
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And you were like, "come on,
just do it. You have to do it."
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You gotta help your big brother out,
man. So it was no decision at all.
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Everybody else that was
doing well was on 'em.
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CHRIS: Shortly after
getting on the juice
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Mad Dog quit college to
pursue an even bigger dream.
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COMMENTATOR:
Oh, look at that now!
273
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Here we go!
Mike Bell!
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CHRIS:
I couldn't believe it.
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That was my big brother
wrestling on T.V.
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COMMENTATOR: Right
hand by Bell. Oh, man!
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CHRIS: Mad Dog wanted
to be a superstar,
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But he was what they call
a "jobber."
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That's the guy they pay
to get beat up
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to make the other guys look
good. He didn't care, though.
281
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He was gonna get himself a contract
and headline "Wrestlemania."
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COMMENTATOR: Why did you
even come in the ring?
283
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You should have
gone home, dummy.
284
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CHRIS: But he never
got the contract
285
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And eventually
the W.W.E. stopped calling.
286
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Why did you think
you didn't make it?
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Probably mostly
my own fault.
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I went from being a guy
who used steroids
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to a guy who used
steroids and pot.
290
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And I still needed
to escape reality
291
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so I started taking ecstasy,
cocaine, acid, painkillers.
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COMMENTATOR: Mike Bell is where
he does not need to be now.
293
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He's in the wrong corner
and he's paying the price.
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CHRIS:
Mad Dog always told me
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that he'd rather be dead
than average.
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And when he thought
his dream was over
297
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he couldn't cope
with the failure.
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MIKE: So I had a
bottle of liquid lead,
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a bottle of NyQuil and four
boxes of sleeping pills.
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I went down
to the river
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down by
the railroad tracks,
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parked my car,
took everything.
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ROSEMARY: And he tried
to walk into the--
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He tried to walk
into the Hudson river.
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CHRIS: So did you take
all the sleeping pills?
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- Everything.
- And the lead additive?
307
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There's no way I should be
alive right now. There's no way.
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CHRIS:
It's 10 years later
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and despite everything
that happened
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Mad Dog is still trying
to get that contract,
311
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Trying to keep
the dream alive.
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'Cause I've been
all over the world
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from Singapore to Louisville,
and it doesn't matter--
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You line 'em up,
I'll knock 'em down.
315
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I can see why
you never made it.
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( laughing )
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CHRIS: Mad Dog used to wrestle
in front of a television audience
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of 10 million people
every week,
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but tonight he's wrestling
at the Portuguese Men's Center
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In front of 200 people
for about 50 bucks.
321
00:14:02,072 --> 00:14:03,574
( yells )
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00:14:05,579 --> 00:14:08,284
CHRIS: And instead of
wrestling Bret the Hitman Hart
323
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He's facing Midgeto
324
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And he's getting
his ass kicked.
325
00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:13,727
( crowd cheering )
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00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:15,264
Come on, man,
come on.
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CHRIS: My baby brother Smelly
was always trying to keep up
328
00:14:20,977 --> 00:14:23,381
and despite everything
that happened to Mad Dog
329
00:14:23,382 --> 00:14:25,385
he followed in his
footsteps anyway,
330
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becoming a pro wrestler
and using steroids.
331
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The reason I decided
to use steroids was simple.
332
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I just needed
to get bigger.
333
00:14:32,435 --> 00:14:33,936
That was
pretty much it.
334
00:14:33,937 --> 00:14:36,275
CHRIS: But unlike when Mad
Dog started using steroids,
335
00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:37,945
Smelly had a wife
to consider.
336
00:14:37,946 --> 00:14:39,581
When you got married
did you ever think
337
00:14:39,582 --> 00:14:41,820
that your husband would be
injecting himself with something?
338
00:14:41,821 --> 00:14:44,793
No, that didn't even enter
in my conscious thought.
339
00:14:44,794 --> 00:14:47,331
When I first met him
he was against steroids.
340
00:14:47,332 --> 00:14:48,700
He was like,
"you don't need to do it.
341
00:14:48,701 --> 00:14:50,906
I've never done 'em. I
just don't believe in 'em."
342
00:14:50,907 --> 00:14:52,843
MARK: I was pretty upset about it
343
00:14:52,844 --> 00:14:55,114
Because I didn't want it to come
to that. I was kind of scared.
344
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I didn't want to inject
this oil into my body.
345
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I thought
it was weird.
346
00:15:01,094 --> 00:15:03,097
He's not a huge guy,
you know.
347
00:15:03,098 --> 00:15:04,734
He's 6' if he's lucky
348
00:15:04,735 --> 00:15:08,107
and so I knew that it was
definitely going to help
349
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because that's
what it does,
350
00:15:11,249 --> 00:15:13,752
what steroids do--
make you bigger.
351
00:15:13,753 --> 00:15:16,993
She basically said,
"do what you need to do."
352
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ANDEE:
Here's Jake with the daddy.
353
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CHRIS: After their son
was born Smelly decided
354
00:15:20,902 --> 00:15:24,509
The life of a pro wrestler was
not exactly what he wanted anymore.
355
00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:26,546
Here's my little Jake
in his swing.
356
00:15:26,547 --> 00:15:29,685
Mark: Looking back, I don't
really know what the hell I wanted.
357
00:15:29,686 --> 00:15:32,424
Having a contract means
that you belong to W.W.E.
358
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And you have to travel.
I was married with a kid.
359
00:15:34,631 --> 00:15:37,335
I mean, that's really
all I need--
360
00:15:37,336 --> 00:15:39,506
A house, a kid and a wife. I'm set.
361
00:15:39,507 --> 00:15:41,177
One, two, three!
362
00:15:41,178 --> 00:15:42,747
CHRIS: They settled
down in the suburbs
363
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and Smelly even
opened up his own gym.
364
00:15:44,752 --> 00:15:46,488
Yeah, my little brother
gave up
365
00:15:46,489 --> 00:15:48,625
the wrestling dream for
a respectable family life,
366
00:15:48,626 --> 00:15:50,796
but he didn't quite
give up everything.
367
00:15:50,797 --> 00:15:52,800
( crowd cheering )
368
00:15:54,772 --> 00:15:56,776
MARK:
Now that I'm into it
369
00:15:56,777 --> 00:15:59,815
I realize it's not really
all that bad. I love steroids.
370
00:15:59,816 --> 00:16:02,521
I think I'll probably be
on and off of them
371
00:16:02,522 --> 00:16:04,225
probably forever.
372
00:16:04,226 --> 00:16:06,195
This is what you trained
for! This is what you do!
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00:16:06,196 --> 00:16:08,767
Come on, boy!
374
00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:10,838
ANDEE: I thought that
we had an agreement
375
00:16:10,839 --> 00:16:12,307
that he did it
for wrestling.
376
00:16:12,308 --> 00:16:13,911
Now he's not
wrestling anymore
377
00:16:13,912 --> 00:16:16,216
so naturally I thought
he would just stop.
378
00:16:16,217 --> 00:16:18,520
MARK: In my mind there's no excuse
379
00:16:18,521 --> 00:16:20,859
for not being as strong
as you possibly can be.
380
00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:22,061
( crowd cheering )
381
00:16:22,062 --> 00:16:24,366
You do what you gotta do
to win.
382
00:16:26,237 --> 00:16:27,773
ANNOUNCER: Come on, Chris,
let's do this now.
383
00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:33,184
ANNOUNCER: Let's give it up
for him. It's a lot of weight.
384
00:16:33,185 --> 00:16:34,955
MAN:
There it is.
385
00:16:34,956 --> 00:16:36,190
Come on now!
386
00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:40,700
( cheering )
387
00:16:40,701 --> 00:16:44,041
ANNOUNCER: Smoke
show! Come on, Chris.
388
00:16:46,948 --> 00:16:48,917
- Take it, take it.
- MEN: Take it, take it.
389
00:16:50,989 --> 00:16:52,992
ANNOUNCER: Nice
try, Chris, nice try.
390
00:16:52,993 --> 00:16:55,164
MARK:
If you are apprehensive
391
00:16:55,165 --> 00:16:57,401
about taking a steroid
or you're apprehensive
392
00:16:57,402 --> 00:16:59,606
about trying
some new methods
393
00:16:59,607 --> 00:17:01,777
then maybe you're not
cut out to be a champion.
394
00:17:01,778 --> 00:17:04,617
ANNOUNCER: In first
place, Mark Bell.
395
00:17:04,618 --> 00:17:07,589
CHRIS: I guess I'm not
cut out to be a champion,
396
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:10,930
because I tried steroids but
I felt so guilty I had to stop.
397
00:17:10,931 --> 00:17:13,234
- Are you gonna win worst overall lifter?
- Yeah.
398
00:17:13,235 --> 00:17:14,871
CHRIS: And now I can't even compete
399
00:17:14,872 --> 00:17:16,775
In the sport
I grew up loving.
400
00:17:16,776 --> 00:17:20,316
I mean, my baby brother
just beat me by 130 lbs.
401
00:17:20,317 --> 00:17:22,120
( sighs )
402
00:17:22,121 --> 00:17:24,859
We all grew up
in the same house,
403
00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:28,466
so why are my brothers fine
with steroids but I'm not?
404
00:17:28,467 --> 00:17:30,236
What would you say
the differences are
405
00:17:30,237 --> 00:17:32,775
- between the three kids.
- Between the three?
406
00:17:32,776 --> 00:17:35,080
Well, I always kind of
say it like this--
407
00:17:35,081 --> 00:17:37,551
you were in the middle
of two guys
408
00:17:37,552 --> 00:17:39,455
that were very
strapping, athletic,
409
00:17:39,456 --> 00:17:41,460
and you were tiny
and short in stature,
410
00:17:41,461 --> 00:17:44,700
so I worked extra hard to
make you feel extra special.
411
00:17:44,701 --> 00:17:46,570
One day I took you
in your room--
412
00:17:46,571 --> 00:17:49,309
I don't know if you remember
this conversation where I said,
413
00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:51,881
"Christopher, what's the
best part of an Oreo cookie?"
414
00:17:51,882 --> 00:17:53,819
What is the best part
of an Oreo cookie?
415
00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:56,123
- The middle.
- The middle. That's right.
416
00:17:56,124 --> 00:17:59,999
So even though you have two
sides of a cookie on this end,
417
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,768
the middle part is
the most delicious.
418
00:18:01,769 --> 00:18:04,140
Everybody wants the middle.
They even made double stuff.
419
00:18:04,141 --> 00:18:06,879
CHRIS: Yep, this is pretty
much how it was growing up.
420
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,583
Mom stayed at home
with the kids
421
00:18:08,584 --> 00:18:11,255
while Dad wore a suit
and tie and went to work.
422
00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:14,695
He was at I.B.M. for 20
years until he was downsized.
423
00:18:14,696 --> 00:18:17,200
But now he has his own
business doing taxes.
424
00:18:17,201 --> 00:18:19,472
SHELDON: Everybody thinks
that success in America
425
00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:21,977
is in the amount of dollars that
you have. And that's not true.
426
00:18:21,978 --> 00:18:23,814
The real true heroes
are people
427
00:18:23,815 --> 00:18:25,818
who go to work every day
and do their job
428
00:18:25,819 --> 00:18:28,424
and bring up their kids to
the best of their ability.
429
00:18:28,425 --> 00:18:30,428
CHRIS:
I wanted to be Hulk Hogan.
430
00:18:30,429 --> 00:18:33,100
I wanted to be Arnold. I
wanted to be Sylvester Stallone.
431
00:18:33,101 --> 00:18:35,605
Did you have heroes like that
growing up, when you were a kid?
432
00:18:35,606 --> 00:18:38,545
SHELDON: Yeah, we
did. We had heroes
433
00:18:38,546 --> 00:18:42,019
like Mickey Mantle,
Roger Maris.
434
00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:44,356
But I knew I could
never aspire to it
435
00:18:44,357 --> 00:18:46,628
because back then
you grew up,
436
00:18:46,629 --> 00:18:48,966
you graduated, you got
married and you had kids.
437
00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,705
CHRIS: Yeah, my dad
had the American dream--
438
00:18:51,706 --> 00:18:53,877
you know, marry your
high-school sweetheart,
439
00:18:53,878 --> 00:18:57,451
buy a house and take your
kids to see the Yankees.
440
00:18:57,452 --> 00:18:59,455
But things are
different now.
441
00:18:59,456 --> 00:19:02,862
And even baseball's changed
from when my dad was growing up.
442
00:19:02,863 --> 00:19:04,867
And now when I think
of baseball
443
00:19:04,868 --> 00:19:07,238
I don't think about the
Babe or Hammerin' Hank.
444
00:19:10,178 --> 00:19:12,214
I think of steroids.
445
00:19:12,215 --> 00:19:16,992
COMMENTATOR: This one is a
monster! It is out of here!
446
00:19:16,993 --> 00:19:21,233
CHRIS: After the strike of
'94 baseball was almost dead.
447
00:19:21,234 --> 00:19:23,337
But then Mark McGuire
and Sammy Sosa
448
00:19:23,338 --> 00:19:25,443
started smashing
home runs,
449
00:19:25,444 --> 00:19:27,680
racing toward the
single-season record.
450
00:19:27,681 --> 00:19:29,784
You see,
about 1000 years ago
451
00:19:29,785 --> 00:19:32,490
Babe Ruth had 60 home
runs in one season.
452
00:19:32,491 --> 00:19:34,327
And then when my
parents were still kids
453
00:19:34,328 --> 00:19:36,632
Roger Maris hit
number 61.
454
00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:39,271
He was the home-run champ
for 37 years
455
00:19:39,272 --> 00:19:42,544
until Big Mac came along
and crushed that record
456
00:19:42,545 --> 00:19:45,952
with 70 home runs
and baseball was saved.
457
00:19:45,953 --> 00:19:47,689
COMMENTATOR:
Gone!
458
00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:51,430
Mark McGuire, you have just
broken the home-run record.
459
00:19:51,431 --> 00:19:53,267
What are you going
to do next?
460
00:19:53,268 --> 00:19:54,736
We're going
to Disney World.
461
00:19:56,842 --> 00:19:59,781
CHRIS: I guess Barry Bonds
wanted to go to Disney world too
462
00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:01,283
'cause in 2001
463
00:20:01,284 --> 00:20:03,688
he smashed 73 bombs
to break McGuire's record.
464
00:20:03,689 --> 00:20:05,325
COMMENTATOR:
This is the one!
465
00:20:05,326 --> 00:20:07,329
There's a new
record homer!
466
00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:10,102
CHRIS: See, baseball
players used to be scrawny,
467
00:20:10,103 --> 00:20:12,974
but now these guys were
jacked and it was cool.
468
00:20:12,975 --> 00:20:15,380
They started looking
like pro wrestlers.
469
00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:18,686
JOE BUCK: If you were to
construct a home-run hitter
470
00:20:18,687 --> 00:20:22,093
in a lab, put him together,
he'd look like that.
471
00:20:22,094 --> 00:20:24,398
CHRIS: Turns out, that was
kind of what was going on.
472
00:20:24,399 --> 00:20:26,970
The man with ties
to some big-name athletes
473
00:20:26,971 --> 00:20:28,674
has been charged
with providing
474
00:20:28,675 --> 00:20:30,744
performance-enhancing
drugs to the pros.
475
00:20:30,745 --> 00:20:33,684
CHRIS: The guy with the pencil-thin
mustache is Victor Conte.
476
00:20:33,685 --> 00:20:36,289
He used to be the bass
player for Tower of Power,
477
00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:38,293
but when that career
didn't work out
478
00:20:38,294 --> 00:20:40,499
he did what any failed
musician would do--
479
00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:43,204
he started selling undetectable
steroids to athletes.
480
00:20:43,205 --> 00:20:45,242
REPORTER:
Will you name names?
481
00:20:45,243 --> 00:20:47,079
There will be
naming of names.
482
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,118
CHRIS: Conte's files
named over 250 athletes,
483
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,759
including the home-run
king himself, Barry Bonds.
484
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,863
And then something
even crazier happened--
485
00:20:55,864 --> 00:20:58,002
Jose Canseco
wrote a book.
486
00:20:58,003 --> 00:21:01,341
The surprise wasn't that he was
literate, it's what he wrote about.
487
00:21:01,342 --> 00:21:03,680
He said he'd been taking
steroids since '86,
488
00:21:03,681 --> 00:21:06,118
that 80% of baseball
was on the juice
489
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,757
and that he personally
injected his former bash brother
490
00:21:08,758 --> 00:21:10,661
Mark McGuire
in the ass.
491
00:21:10,662 --> 00:21:11,864
But why, Mr. McGuire?
492
00:21:11,865 --> 00:21:14,202
Do you want to know
the terrifying truth
493
00:21:14,203 --> 00:21:16,473
or do you want to see me
sock a few dingers?
494
00:21:16,474 --> 00:21:18,411
Dingers!
Dingers!
495
00:21:19,213 --> 00:21:20,848
Ooh.
496
00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:23,054
All right,
Congress wants to haul
497
00:21:23,055 --> 00:21:24,590
a bunch of baseball players
498
00:21:24,591 --> 00:21:26,460
up to Capitol Hill
to talk about steroids.
499
00:21:26,461 --> 00:21:30,703
CHRIS: In 2005 Congress
spent 151 days in session.
500
00:21:30,704 --> 00:21:33,542
They spent eight of those days
debating steroids in sports.
501
00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:36,581
That's more time than they
spent on national healthcare,
502
00:21:36,582 --> 00:21:38,585
why the levees broke
in New Orleans,
503
00:21:38,586 --> 00:21:40,590
and more than ending
the war in Iraq.
504
00:21:40,591 --> 00:21:42,995
Apparently,
the United States Congress
505
00:21:42,996 --> 00:21:46,034
takes this whole national
pastime thing kind of seriously.
506
00:21:46,035 --> 00:21:49,041
I'm a baseball fan.
I always have been.
507
00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:51,713
Let me just start by saying
that I am a huge baseball fan.
508
00:21:51,714 --> 00:21:54,051
For me baseball is not a game,
it's a passion.
509
00:21:54,052 --> 00:21:56,222
We have every right
to be concerned
510
00:21:56,223 --> 00:21:59,329
that the national pastime
and all that it represents
511
00:21:59,330 --> 00:22:04,840
has been threatened by the
selfish actions of a few.
512
00:22:04,841 --> 00:22:08,247
There's something simply
un-American about this.
513
00:22:08,248 --> 00:22:11,754
CHRIS: If using steroids makes
the Bash brothers un-American,
514
00:22:11,755 --> 00:22:14,895
what does that make
the Bell brothers?
515
00:22:14,896 --> 00:22:18,268
Congressman Kanjorski, do you
think that this is not a matter
516
00:22:18,269 --> 00:22:20,138
for the U.S. Congress
to be deliberating?
517
00:22:20,139 --> 00:22:21,809
I just don't think
it's necessary.
518
00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:23,746
Why are we just gonna
call seven people
519
00:22:23,747 --> 00:22:25,149
and of what importance
are they?
520
00:22:25,150 --> 00:22:28,422
In the last 52 years
we've only done it 25 times.
521
00:22:28,423 --> 00:22:30,426
14 of those times were
522
00:22:30,427 --> 00:22:32,030
by the un-American
activities committee.
523
00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:37,040
Are you now or have ever been
a member of the Communist Party?
524
00:22:37,041 --> 00:22:39,879
Well, sir, I'm not here
to talk about the past.
525
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,453
I have never
used steroids, period.
526
00:22:43,454 --> 00:22:46,460
Did you know that other
players were using steroids?
527
00:22:46,461 --> 00:22:50,168
I have never seen a syringe.
I have never seen steroids.
528
00:22:50,169 --> 00:22:52,673
But in locker-room gossip--
you may not have seen it.
529
00:22:52,674 --> 00:22:55,245
People talk, right? "this guy's doing
something, that guy's doing something."
530
00:22:55,246 --> 00:22:58,619
Now Mr. McGuire, would you
like to comment on that?
531
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,057
You don't want
to comment?
532
00:23:01,058 --> 00:23:02,460
Are you taking the fifth?
533
00:23:04,265 --> 00:23:07,136
This is about values.
It's about our culture.
534
00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:09,608
It's about who we
define ourselves to be.
535
00:23:09,609 --> 00:23:12,481
When we want to define
to a foreign country
536
00:23:12,482 --> 00:23:15,954
what we're about and
you're gonna show a film,
537
00:23:15,955 --> 00:23:18,326
what would you
go show?
538
00:23:18,327 --> 00:23:20,330
CHRIS:
Hey, how about "Rocky IV"?
539
00:23:20,331 --> 00:23:22,101
There's nothing
more American than that.
540
00:23:22,102 --> 00:23:24,873
The big Russian trains
in a high-tech facility
541
00:23:24,874 --> 00:23:27,545
with a whole team
of scientists and trainers,
542
00:23:27,546 --> 00:23:30,518
and of course
he takes steroids.
543
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:32,322
Meanwhile, Rocky's
out there lifting logs,
544
00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:36,230
chopping wood, training in
a barn the all-natural way,
545
00:23:36,231 --> 00:23:38,969
'cause only Commies would
take steroids, right?
546
00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:41,674
Sure, Sly,
whatever you say.
547
00:23:41,675 --> 00:23:44,080
Truth is, steroids were
the secret weapon
548
00:23:44,081 --> 00:23:45,884
that helped American
fight the Russians
549
00:23:45,885 --> 00:23:47,587
on the Olympic
battlefield.
550
00:23:47,588 --> 00:23:49,591
And it all
began here,
551
00:23:49,592 --> 00:23:51,929
York BarHenry
in Pennsylvania.
552
00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:53,933
CHRIS: When you
were an Olympic coach
553
00:23:53,934 --> 00:23:56,539
did you see a lot of
steroid use going on?
554
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:59,044
( laughs )
Much.
555
00:23:59,045 --> 00:24:00,480
- Yeah.
- Much.
556
00:24:00,481 --> 00:24:03,787
Smitty's 83,
one of the old-timers.
557
00:24:03,788 --> 00:24:07,228
He was the coach of the Olympic
weight-lifting team back then.
558
00:24:07,136 --> 00:24:09,107
Was it ever thought of
as cheating at that point?
559
00:24:09,108 --> 00:24:13,216
No. No, because we figured
everybody was taking it.
560
00:24:13,602 --> 00:24:15,605
We figured
even steven.
561
00:24:15,606 --> 00:24:18,143
Smitty told me the story
about how anabolic steroids
562
00:24:18,144 --> 00:24:20,047
were first introduced
to the U.S. Olympic team.
563
00:24:20,048 --> 00:24:22,150
- ( Soviet hymn playing )
- It was the late 1950s
564
00:24:22,151 --> 00:24:24,856
and the Russians were
dominating America
565
00:24:24,857 --> 00:24:26,458
in the space race
and at the Olympics.
566
00:24:26,459 --> 00:24:29,898
But one night the
Russian coach got drunk
567
00:24:29,899 --> 00:24:31,869
and told
the American coach
568
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:34,373
they'd been injecting their
athletes with steroids.
569
00:24:34,374 --> 00:24:36,043
The American coach
raced home
570
00:24:36,044 --> 00:24:38,147
and developed an even more
powerful steroid
571
00:24:38,148 --> 00:24:41,385
specifically
for team U.S.A.
572
00:24:41,386 --> 00:24:45,326
So if steroids actually helped
America beat the commies,
573
00:24:45,327 --> 00:24:48,165
How did it get
such a bad rap?
574
00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:51,237
MARIA SHRIVER: Last week former
N.F.L. Defensive lineman Lyle Alzado
575
00:24:51,238 --> 00:24:54,309
told N.B.C. News that
steroids were the cause
576
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:56,613
of his inoperable
brain cancer.
577
00:24:56,614 --> 00:24:58,250
How long were you
on steroids?
578
00:24:58,251 --> 00:25:00,253
Most of my
pro career.
579
00:25:00,254 --> 00:25:02,658
You know,
I played 16 years.
580
00:25:02,659 --> 00:25:05,430
And it got me where I wanted
but also got me very sick.
581
00:25:05,431 --> 00:25:07,166
CHRIS: Lyle Alzado went from being
582
00:25:07,167 --> 00:25:09,170
the toughest son of
a bitch in the N.F.L.
583
00:25:09,171 --> 00:25:11,173
to being a sad
dying man.
584
00:25:11,174 --> 00:25:14,113
Everything I saw on T.V.
taught me that steroids kill.
585
00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:16,584
Some alarming news
about steroid use tonight.
586
00:25:16,585 --> 00:25:18,553
REPORTER: A drug bust
in Phoenix, Arizona,
587
00:25:18,554 --> 00:25:20,424
not for heroin
or cocaine,
588
00:25:20,425 --> 00:25:22,762
but for something
just as dangerous.
589
00:25:22,763 --> 00:25:24,766
Health damage from steroids
can include
590
00:25:24,767 --> 00:25:27,370
heart, joint
and reproductive problems,
591
00:25:27,371 --> 00:25:28,806
this is a drug
that kills.
592
00:25:28,807 --> 00:25:31,344
What happens is that
these retarded idiots
593
00:25:31,345 --> 00:25:33,348
that give us the news,
these talking heads
594
00:25:33,349 --> 00:25:36,319
that babble on T.V.
give us this rhetoric
595
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,323
that comes from
not one single expert.
596
00:25:38,324 --> 00:25:41,863
And they say ridiculous things
like steroids will kill you,
597
00:25:41,864 --> 00:25:43,934
they'll rot your kidneys,
they'll give you cancer,
598
00:25:43,935 --> 00:25:46,104
they'll do all these horrible
things that are just not true.
599
00:25:46,105 --> 00:25:49,343
CHRIS: John Romano is the senior
editor of a bodybuilding magazine
600
00:25:49,344 --> 00:25:52,015
and he disagrees with what his
media colleagues think of steroids.
601
00:25:52,016 --> 00:25:54,119
Well, how come we hear
constantly in the news
602
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,056
that people are dying
through taking steroids?
603
00:25:56,057 --> 00:25:58,059
- Show me the bodies.
- Lyle Alzado.
604
00:25:58,060 --> 00:26:00,063
Lyle Alzado didn't die
from steroids.
605
00:26:00,064 --> 00:26:01,399
I trained with him
for two years.
606
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,736
He didn't die from steroids.
He died from a brain tumor.
607
00:26:03,737 --> 00:26:06,408
I don't know of any of
my colleagues that link
608
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:09,547
his central nervous system
lymphoma to his use of steroids.
609
00:26:09,548 --> 00:26:11,551
CHRIS: Dr. Charles
Yesalis has published
610
00:26:11,552 --> 00:26:13,554
over 70 articles
on the use of steroids
611
00:26:13,555 --> 00:26:17,027
and is one of the top experts
in the world on drugs in sports.
612
00:26:17,028 --> 00:26:19,198
- Are steroids killing people?
- good question.
613
00:26:19,199 --> 00:26:21,202
They've been
used in medicine
614
00:26:21,203 --> 00:26:23,205
since the late 1930s.
615
00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:25,510
I hope we haven't been
purposely killing people.
616
00:26:25,511 --> 00:26:28,148
Can they be used safely?
Yeah.
617
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:32,289
These drugs are a boon
in the medical profession.
618
00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:35,027
They're a miracle drug for
people with muscle wasting.
619
00:26:35,028 --> 00:26:38,500
They are a miracle drug
for burn victims,
620
00:26:38,501 --> 00:26:42,040
for cancer patients, people
recovering from surgery.
621
00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:44,411
CHRIS: And for people with
A.I.D.S. like Jeff Taylor.
622
00:26:44,412 --> 00:26:47,316
Jeff has been fighting
H.I.V. for 25 years
623
00:26:47,317 --> 00:26:49,420
and he says
steroids saved his life.
624
00:26:49,421 --> 00:26:52,827
Back in '92 I was
down to two "T" cells
625
00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:55,933
and very sick. I'd
developed P.C.P. pneumonia.
626
00:26:55,934 --> 00:26:58,270
Both my lungs collapsed.
I almost didn't make it.
627
00:26:58,271 --> 00:27:00,842
I came out of a hospital
weighing 125 lbs.
628
00:27:00,843 --> 00:27:04,181
So I started researching and
found a clinical trial in L.A.
629
00:27:04,182 --> 00:27:06,752
They were studying Anavar,
an old bodybuilding drug,
630
00:27:06,753 --> 00:27:09,357
to test how it worked
for people with H.I.V.
631
00:27:09,358 --> 00:27:11,661
So I signed myself up,
got a fairly high dose
632
00:27:11,662 --> 00:27:13,664
and responded amazingly.
633
00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:17,572
I gained 30 lbs
in six weeks
634
00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:19,475
and I gained
300 "T" cells.
635
00:27:19,476 --> 00:27:21,546
JOHN ROMANO: So these drugs
have cognitive powers--
636
00:27:21,547 --> 00:27:23,082
if you're sick
they'll help you;
637
00:27:23,083 --> 00:27:25,019
if you're a healthy athlete
they'll kill you?
638
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:28,526
How can you say steroids are
a national public health crisis
639
00:27:28,527 --> 00:27:31,899
when you have people dropping dead at
a rate you can measure by the minute
640
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,801
as a result
of alcohol and tobacco?
641
00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:36,106
CHRIS:
According to the C.D.C.,
642
00:27:36,107 --> 00:27:39,679
tobacco kills about 435,000
Americans every year,
643
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,352
alcohol kills
about 75,000,
644
00:27:43,353 --> 00:27:46,492
and deaths from anabolic
steroid abuse-- three.
645
00:27:46,493 --> 00:27:49,765
But steroids also show up
in some other statistics--
646
00:27:49,766 --> 00:27:51,768
emergency room visits.
647
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:53,838
But it's not exactly
number one on the list--
648
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,276
that would be alcohol;
or number two--
649
00:27:56,277 --> 00:27:58,280
that's cocaine;
650
00:27:58,281 --> 00:28:00,651
or number three--
that's marijuana.
651
00:28:00,652 --> 00:28:02,989
Gotta be top 10,
though, right?
652
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:04,992
Uh, not quite.
653
00:28:04,993 --> 00:28:06,996
How about top 25?
654
00:28:06,997 --> 00:28:09,367
Top 100?
Keep going.
655
00:28:09,368 --> 00:28:11,371
Try number 142.
656
00:28:11,372 --> 00:28:13,374
That's even
after multivitamins.
657
00:28:13,375 --> 00:28:16,313
# yabba-dabba-doo yabba-dabba-doo,
Flintstones vitamins... #
658
00:28:16,314 --> 00:28:18,316
DR. YESALIS:
Education is important,
659
00:28:18,317 --> 00:28:20,854
but what you have to
watch out for
660
00:28:20,855 --> 00:28:23,259
is emChrisishing.
661
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:25,797
If you look
at "Reefer Madness,"
662
00:28:25,798 --> 00:28:29,336
it caused you to be a
stark-raving, murdering lunatic--
663
00:28:29,337 --> 00:28:32,009
Very funny to watch because
it goes so over the edge.
664
00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:35,348
The next tragedy may be
that of your daughter,
665
00:28:35,349 --> 00:28:38,420
of your son,
or yours.
666
00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:43,195
Physicians and sports
scientists have done that
667
00:28:43,196 --> 00:28:45,400
with the best of
intentions in this area--
668
00:28:45,401 --> 00:28:47,571
"Oh, steroids
are going to cause you
669
00:28:47,572 --> 00:28:51,377
to drop over dead
in your tracks" and so on.
670
00:28:51,378 --> 00:28:53,949
And the athletes are looking
around saying, "Jesus,
671
00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:55,986
haven't seen
that many guys die."
672
00:28:55,987 --> 00:28:57,989
Are steroids
killing people?
673
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:59,993
Steroids clearly are
killing people
674
00:28:59,994 --> 00:29:01,997
both in the short term
and in the long term.
675
00:29:01,998 --> 00:29:05,336
CHRIS: Dr. Gary Wadler is an advisor
to the world anti-doping agency
676
00:29:05,337 --> 00:29:08,241
and the media's go-to guy
when it comes to steroids.
677
00:29:08,242 --> 00:29:10,246
We know it's been associated
678
00:29:10,247 --> 00:29:12,249
with stroke
in young people
679
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,588
for which there was no
other obvious explanation.
680
00:29:15,589 --> 00:29:18,594
We know it's been
associated with heart attacks
681
00:29:18,595 --> 00:29:21,633
for which there was no
other obvious explanation.
682
00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:23,302
We know
it increases clotting.
683
00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,208
What bothers me are people
like Dr. Gary Wadler
684
00:29:26,209 --> 00:29:28,779
who's a physician
and going before Congress
685
00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:31,017
and saying these things,
and when confronted--
686
00:29:31,018 --> 00:29:33,021
"Please produce
a single article
687
00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:36,226
that shows any of this in any
scientific way," can't do it.
688
00:29:36,227 --> 00:29:39,098
CHRIS: Dr. Norm Fost is a
professor of medical ethics
689
00:29:39,099 --> 00:29:41,903
with a research focus on
performance-enhancing drugs.
690
00:29:41,904 --> 00:29:44,374
So I'm not denying
that there aren't
691
00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:46,946
some serious adverse effects
from anabolic steroids.
692
00:29:46,947 --> 00:29:49,617
It's just that we haven't been
able to demonstrate any of them.
693
00:29:49,618 --> 00:29:51,287
Maybe that's because
we don't study them.
694
00:29:51,288 --> 00:29:53,892
One of the problems
with the ban on steroids
695
00:29:53,893 --> 00:29:56,229
is that it's impossible
to do the kind of research
696
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:57,665
that would answer
these questions.
697
00:29:57,666 --> 00:30:00,370
Some purists would like
to see those studies done.
698
00:30:00,371 --> 00:30:02,541
Well, I can assure you
they never will be done.
699
00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:05,480
It would be a totally
unethical study to do.
700
00:30:05,481 --> 00:30:08,218
So we have to use the
information we have at hand.
701
00:30:08,219 --> 00:30:10,589
Depression, convulsions,
702
00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:13,494
anxiety, jaundice,
703
00:30:13,495 --> 00:30:16,133
myocardial infarction--
which is heart attack--
704
00:30:16,134 --> 00:30:18,136
eczema, abscess,
705
00:30:18,137 --> 00:30:20,340
vaginal pain,
vaginal discharge.
706
00:30:20,341 --> 00:30:23,913
You wanna know what I'm reading
this from? What does that say?
707
00:30:23,914 --> 00:30:25,349
- "Vitamin c."
- Thank you.
708
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:28,255
I mean, look, peanuts are
dangerous. You understand?
709
00:30:28,256 --> 00:30:31,127
There are people
that take a peanut
710
00:30:31,128 --> 00:30:34,833
and have a peanut and they
go into anaphylactic shock.
711
00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,672
Okay? The airway closes
up. That's it. They die.
712
00:30:37,673 --> 00:30:40,310
Now does that mean
that we ban peanuts
713
00:30:40,311 --> 00:30:42,848
and sue God
for making them?
714
00:30:42,849 --> 00:30:44,751
- No.
- Right.
715
00:30:44,752 --> 00:30:47,824
What we do is we say,
"okay, peanut warnings."
716
00:30:47,825 --> 00:30:49,828
There is no safe drug.
717
00:30:49,829 --> 00:30:52,399
There is no safe drug
that ever exists.
718
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,037
There's always
the benefit-to-risk ratio.
719
00:30:55,038 --> 00:30:57,041
You name the drug--
"X" percent of people
720
00:30:57,042 --> 00:30:59,044
will suffer
adverse effects.
721
00:30:59,045 --> 00:31:01,182
CHRIS: Do you feel
any side effects ever?
722
00:31:01,183 --> 00:31:03,419
MARK: Yeah, I've had
some side effects--
723
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:05,957
acne, hair growth.
724
00:31:05,958 --> 00:31:08,161
Some side effects
that I've had are--
725
00:31:08,162 --> 00:31:10,299
What do you mean by hair
growth? On your head?
726
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,369
No, just on my chest
and my back and stuff.
727
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:14,239
I never break out.
My back doesn't break out.
728
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,243
I don't get hairy
from it.
729
00:31:16,244 --> 00:31:18,213
You get a little
testicular atrophy,
730
00:31:18,214 --> 00:31:20,183
but then they come back.
It's normal.
731
00:31:20,184 --> 00:31:22,019
- Your balls shrank?
- The balls shank.
732
00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:23,656
- Who needs 'em?
- Who needs 'em?
733
00:31:23,657 --> 00:31:25,794
What about testosterone?
I have some friends who say
734
00:31:25,795 --> 00:31:28,465
it is like a wonder drug.
It makes them feel great.
735
00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:31,303
It makes them feel,
you know, frisky
736
00:31:31,304 --> 00:31:34,042
and young and it's
great for their skin.
737
00:31:34,043 --> 00:31:36,514
The negative side effects would
be my lovely singing voice,
738
00:31:36,515 --> 00:31:38,683
hair like a monkey
from my head to my toes,
739
00:31:38,684 --> 00:31:41,890
I mean, hair growing out places
you don't even want to talk about.
740
00:31:41,891 --> 00:31:43,960
( low voice ) I mean,
I want to stay feminine.
741
00:31:43,961 --> 00:31:45,963
And I think that's why
I get so much work.
742
00:31:45,964 --> 00:31:47,967
It's because I still
look like a woman
743
00:31:47,968 --> 00:31:49,838
and I still have
hard muscles.
744
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,607
DR. COLKER:
In my experience,
745
00:31:51,608 --> 00:31:54,045
steroids are just gonna make
you more of whatever you are.
746
00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:57,185
If you're a jerk
and you take steroids
747
00:31:57,186 --> 00:32:00,290
- You're a super jerk, right?
- An asshole.
748
00:32:00,291 --> 00:32:02,561
You've seen that, right? You
go beyond. You're an asshole.
749
00:32:02,562 --> 00:32:04,298
ANDEE: I've never seen Roid Rage.
750
00:32:04,299 --> 00:32:07,136
I've never seen any
difference in his personality
751
00:32:07,137 --> 00:32:09,807
or how he is with me,
how he is with Jake.
752
00:32:09,808 --> 00:32:11,811
It hasn't done
anything
753
00:32:11,812 --> 00:32:14,850
that all those after-school
specials tell you that it's gonna do.
754
00:32:14,851 --> 00:32:16,687
Bryce, I gotta
get bigger, man.
755
00:32:16,688 --> 00:32:19,358
- Here, this might help.
- Steroids?
756
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:21,562
WOMAN: What is going on with you?
757
00:32:21,563 --> 00:32:23,232
God damn it!
758
00:32:29,979 --> 00:32:33,618
( sobbing )
759
00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:35,822
CHRIS: While I was visiting
my brother and his family
760
00:32:35,823 --> 00:32:38,493
they told me they were
thinking of having another child
761
00:32:38,494 --> 00:32:42,167
but that another possible side
effect of steroids was on their minds.
762
00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:43,536
If you couldn't have
another kid
763
00:32:43,537 --> 00:32:45,339
would it be something
that you'd regret
764
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:46,842
because you did
steroids?
765
00:32:46,843 --> 00:32:49,781
Yeah. If it was
simply from that, yeah.
766
00:32:49,782 --> 00:32:52,419
I'd probably regret it.
But there's a lot of things
767
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:54,924
people regret in their
lives, so I'm not, you know--
768
00:32:54,925 --> 00:32:58,363
it's a decision I made and it's
a decision I'll have to live with,
769
00:32:58,364 --> 00:33:00,333
whatever
the consequences are.
770
00:33:05,778 --> 00:33:09,117
CHRIS: It's been 15
years since Alzado died.
771
00:33:09,118 --> 00:33:11,621
- Why did you lie to me?
- I was afraid...
772
00:33:11,622 --> 00:33:13,925
CHRIS: Looking back at
Maria Shriver's interview
773
00:33:13,926 --> 00:33:15,928
I can't help
but wonder,
774
00:33:15,929 --> 00:33:18,433
why wasn't she asking
the real questions like
775
00:33:18,434 --> 00:33:20,938
"is this gonna happen
to my husband?"
776
00:33:20,939 --> 00:33:22,975
Did she really
believe Lyle
777
00:33:22,976 --> 00:33:24,979
or was this
just the beginning
778
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:28,017
of the steroid myth?
779
00:33:28,018 --> 00:33:30,856
And even though the experts
know a lot more about steroids,
780
00:33:30,857 --> 00:33:33,060
you sure wouldn't know it
from watching the news.
781
00:33:33,061 --> 00:33:35,565
Tonight, one of the nation's
most serious drug problems
782
00:33:35,566 --> 00:33:38,603
and it's only getting worse.
It's steroids.
783
00:33:38,604 --> 00:33:40,607
Professional wrestler
Chris Benoit
784
00:33:40,608 --> 00:33:43,012
killed his wife,
his seven-year-old son,
785
00:33:43,013 --> 00:33:44,447
and then hung himself.
786
00:33:44,448 --> 00:33:47,320
Why did he do it?
Steroids found in the house.
787
00:33:47,321 --> 00:33:49,623
Steroids cause
suicidal tendencies.
788
00:33:49,624 --> 00:33:51,327
MAN: They hallucinate.
They hear voices.
789
00:33:51,328 --> 00:33:53,197
MAN #2:
Depression, paranoia.
790
00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:55,201
Steroids could be
the actual cause...
791
00:33:55,202 --> 00:33:56,536
Speculation
is running wild.
792
00:33:56,537 --> 00:33:58,140
Do you think these drugs
could affect one's mind?
793
00:33:58,141 --> 00:33:59,342
Now we know.
794
00:33:59,343 --> 00:34:01,345
- Testosterone...
- Steroids...
795
00:34:01,346 --> 00:34:05,018
( overlapping voices )
796
00:34:05,019 --> 00:34:06,655
CHRIS:
Let's cut through the crap.
797
00:34:06,656 --> 00:34:09,327
This is steroids 101.
798
00:34:09,328 --> 00:34:11,397
First of all,
the term "steroids"
799
00:34:11,398 --> 00:34:14,836
Is often misused to describe
any performance-enhancing drug
800
00:34:14,837 --> 00:34:17,107
When in fact
many of these drugs
801
00:34:17,108 --> 00:34:19,078
are not actually
steroids at all.
802
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,382
So what are steroids?
803
00:34:21,383 --> 00:34:23,386
Well, steroids are
synthetic versions
804
00:34:23,387 --> 00:34:26,091
of hormones that your body
produces naturally,
805
00:34:26,092 --> 00:34:28,095
like cortisone--
that's a steroid.
806
00:34:28,096 --> 00:34:30,666
It signals the body
to break down inflammation.
807
00:34:30,667 --> 00:34:32,669
Birth control pills
are steroids too
808
00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:34,506
Made from the female
sex hormones
809
00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:36,342
estrogen
and progesterone.
810
00:34:36,343 --> 00:34:38,881
But the steroids that get
all the negative attention
811
00:34:38,882 --> 00:34:40,551
are anabolic steroids,
812
00:34:40,552 --> 00:34:42,955
Made from the male
sex hormone testosterone
813
00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:45,693
which tells the body to
increase muscle size and strength
814
00:34:45,694 --> 00:34:47,764
and helps to recover
from workouts faster.
815
00:34:47,765 --> 00:34:50,937
Like any drug, anabolic
steroids do have side effects.
816
00:34:50,938 --> 00:34:53,942
And if you abuse them the
side effects will be worse.
817
00:34:53,943 --> 00:34:56,079
For men,
they can cause acne,
818
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,116
hair growth,
raised cholesterol,
819
00:34:58,117 --> 00:35:00,754
shrink your testicles
and lower your sperm count,
820
00:35:00,755 --> 00:35:02,724
which could even
make you sterile.
821
00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:04,394
But all of these
side effects
822
00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:06,397
are reversible
when you go off the drugs.
823
00:35:06,398 --> 00:35:08,668
Otherwise, steroids
don't cause baldness,
824
00:35:08,669 --> 00:35:10,405
but if it runs
in your family
825
00:35:10,406 --> 00:35:12,141
they might make you
go bald faster.
826
00:35:12,142 --> 00:35:14,346
And they can also cause
gynecomastia,
827
00:35:14,347 --> 00:35:16,483
or what the gym rats call
"bitch tits."
828
00:35:16,484 --> 00:35:19,221
For women, in addition
to acne and hair growth,
829
00:35:19,222 --> 00:35:22,160
steroids can cause a deepened
voice, menstrual problems
830
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,163
and can enlarge
the clitoris.
831
00:35:24,164 --> 00:35:26,167
And some of these
are not reversible.
832
00:35:26,168 --> 00:35:28,171
And for kids,
some experts think
833
00:35:28,172 --> 00:35:31,176
steroids can stunt growth by
closing growth plates prematurely.
834
00:35:31,177 --> 00:35:33,247
But that's actually
never been proven.
835
00:35:33,248 --> 00:35:36,887
There's also no proof that steroids
cause cancer, kidney failure,
836
00:35:36,888 --> 00:35:38,858
and only oral steroids
in high dosages
837
00:35:38,859 --> 00:35:40,894
can cause
liver problems.
838
00:35:40,895 --> 00:35:43,667
And it's true that steroids
can be one of 1000 risk factors
839
00:35:43,668 --> 00:35:46,438
that could lead to heart
disease, but then again
840
00:35:46,439 --> 00:35:49,209
low testosterone is
another big risk factor.
841
00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:52,082
And Roid Rage? Steroids
can increase aggression,
842
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:55,220
but that only happens in
about 5% of the population.
843
00:35:55,221 --> 00:35:58,460
And even then, they
can't make you psychotic.
844
00:35:58,461 --> 00:36:00,898
And as for the long-term
side effects,
845
00:36:00,899 --> 00:36:03,903
we don't know. No one's
ever done those studies.
846
00:36:03,904 --> 00:36:07,176
At what point do we say
that a behavior is such
847
00:36:07,177 --> 00:36:10,449
that people just shouldn't
be allowed to engage in it?
848
00:36:10,450 --> 00:36:12,886
I mean, we do
allow people
849
00:36:12,887 --> 00:36:15,725
to do lots of things
that can hurt themselves.
850
00:36:15,726 --> 00:36:18,897
REPORTER: America's new
junkies-- plastic surgery addicts.
851
00:36:18,898 --> 00:36:20,901
I've had my eyes done,
852
00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:23,873
rhinoplasty, chin cleft,
853
00:36:23,874 --> 00:36:27,213
pectoral implants,
bicep implants,
854
00:36:27,214 --> 00:36:29,651
buttock augmentation.
855
00:36:29,652 --> 00:36:32,022
And those are the ones
I can remember right offhand.
856
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:34,626
TV NARRATOR: Common sense tells
you this is dangerous and foolish.
857
00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:37,464
You wouldn't risk your neck
in a trick like this.
858
00:36:37,465 --> 00:36:40,002
Common sense tells us that
being shot out of a cannon
859
00:36:40,003 --> 00:36:42,441
Is dangerous business.
Handling dynamite--
860
00:36:42,442 --> 00:36:44,010
This too
looks dangerous.
861
00:36:44,011 --> 00:36:46,648
RICK COLLINS: Whether
it's bungee jumping
862
00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:49,486
or skydiving
863
00:36:49,487 --> 00:36:51,490
or black-diamond
skiing--
864
00:36:51,491 --> 00:36:54,329
All of them
are fun to do
865
00:36:54,330 --> 00:36:57,702
But would subject one
to tremendous risks
866
00:36:57,703 --> 00:36:59,672
with no real
necessity.
867
00:36:59,673 --> 00:37:03,612
And so if we allow
all of those other risks,
868
00:37:03,613 --> 00:37:06,150
why is it that we're
taking this position
869
00:37:06,151 --> 00:37:08,154
with respect
to anabolic steroids?
870
00:37:08,155 --> 00:37:11,961
- ( gunshot )
- COMMENTATOR: And it's a fair start.
871
00:37:11,962 --> 00:37:14,599
CHRIS:
1988, Seoul, Korea.
872
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,004
A Canadian sprinter
Ben Johnson
873
00:37:17,005 --> 00:37:19,008
defeated his archrival
Carl Lewis
874
00:37:19,009 --> 00:37:20,744
in the 100-meter sprint
875
00:37:20,745 --> 00:37:22,814
to become the fastest man
in history.
876
00:37:22,815 --> 00:37:24,685
MAN: It sure got our spirit up.
877
00:37:24,686 --> 00:37:26,755
Just great.
Hey, Benny!
878
00:37:26,756 --> 00:37:28,925
CHRIS:
But 24 hours later
879
00:37:28,926 --> 00:37:30,963
he tested positive
for steroids
880
00:37:30,964 --> 00:37:34,336
and they gave the gold
medal to our guy, Carl Lewis.
881
00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:37,107
COLLINS: There was an
international uproar
882
00:37:37,108 --> 00:37:40,347
over the idea
that this Canadian sprinter
883
00:37:40,348 --> 00:37:43,419
had gotten an advantage
based on his use
884
00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:46,625
of anabolic steroids
for its performance effect.
885
00:37:46,626 --> 00:37:49,296
And Congress responded
by holding some hearings.
886
00:37:49,297 --> 00:37:51,600
Ben Johnson would not
have been in the finals.
887
00:37:51,601 --> 00:37:54,072
He probably would not have
been on the Olympic team
888
00:37:54,073 --> 00:37:55,975
had he not
taken steroids.
889
00:37:55,976 --> 00:37:58,747
CHRIS: Congress wanted to pass
a law that would control steroids
890
00:37:58,748 --> 00:38:00,851
the same way as drugs
like cocaine and heroin
891
00:38:00,852 --> 00:38:03,222
and they called experts
from the D.E.A.,
892
00:38:03,223 --> 00:38:06,462
the F.D.A. and the American
Medical Association.
893
00:38:06,463 --> 00:38:09,266
But they all testified that
steroids should not be treated
894
00:38:09,267 --> 00:38:12,506
like illicit drugs. So Congress
disregarded their experts
895
00:38:12,507 --> 00:38:16,513
and in 1990 they passed the
Anabolic Steroid Control Act,
896
00:38:16,514 --> 00:38:19,886
turning non-medical users
into federal drug criminals.
897
00:38:19,887 --> 00:38:23,058
COLLINS: This wasn't so
much about health effects.
898
00:38:23,059 --> 00:38:27,066
It was really on what
these things do that's good
899
00:38:27,067 --> 00:38:29,570
in the sense that
they build muscle,
900
00:38:29,571 --> 00:38:32,509
they improve the way
that people can perform.
901
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:35,180
And that
in a sports context
902
00:38:35,181 --> 00:38:37,251
was seen
as the ultimate evil.
903
00:38:37,252 --> 00:38:39,989
If we took a pie chart
of steroid use
904
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:43,295
and we looked at
what percentage of that pie
905
00:38:43,296 --> 00:38:45,833
is comprised
of athletes
906
00:38:45,834 --> 00:38:48,739
it would be a very very
small slice of that pie.
907
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,510
The overwhelming
majority of the pie
908
00:38:51,511 --> 00:38:55,017
is comprised of the
recreational gym rat
909
00:38:55,018 --> 00:38:57,588
who's doing it purely
for cosmetic reasons.
910
00:38:57,589 --> 00:39:00,193
The irony is
that we've addressed
911
00:39:00,194 --> 00:39:02,197
a sports cheating issue
912
00:39:02,198 --> 00:39:04,301
by creating a law
913
00:39:04,302 --> 00:39:06,872
that affects all the folks
who aren't cheating in sports.
914
00:39:06,873 --> 00:39:09,410
REPORTER: One look at
Gregory Valentino's arms
915
00:39:09,411 --> 00:39:11,414
and you know
something's going on.
916
00:39:11,415 --> 00:39:13,918
The 40-year-old is charged
with criminal possession
917
00:39:13,919 --> 00:39:16,389
of anabolic steroids
with intent to sell.
918
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,494
CHRIS: Some people may
call Gregg Valentino
919
00:39:18,495 --> 00:39:20,630
a freak and a felon.
I call him a neighbor.
920
00:39:20,631 --> 00:39:22,901
He lives down the
block from my grandma.
921
00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:25,339
He also happens to have the
biggest biceps in the world.
922
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:27,009
Holy crap.
923
00:39:27,010 --> 00:39:28,612
Do you have difficulty
with just sort of
924
00:39:28,613 --> 00:39:30,983
the regular things in life,
like making a sandwich?
925
00:39:30,984 --> 00:39:33,621
No. No no.
926
00:39:33,622 --> 00:39:35,258
I can hit a 90-mile-an-hour
fastball.
927
00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:36,927
Any body wants to
challenge me-- let's do it.
928
00:39:36,928 --> 00:39:38,296
I'll show you.
Watch this.
929
00:39:38,297 --> 00:39:40,934
Oh! Oh! Oh!
930
00:39:40,935 --> 00:39:42,938
( laughs )
Come on, Gregg.
931
00:39:42,939 --> 00:39:44,607
Oof!
932
00:39:44,608 --> 00:39:47,613
I told you
I'm no Barry Bonds.
933
00:39:47,614 --> 00:39:50,886
I'm a red-meat man.
I eat a lot of red meat.
934
00:39:50,887 --> 00:39:53,056
Why do you think people
in America are so uptight
935
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:55,461
About steroids
and steroid users?
936
00:39:55,462 --> 00:39:58,300
Because they fear--
937
00:39:58,301 --> 00:40:01,673
they fear
what they don't know.
938
00:40:01,674 --> 00:40:04,444
You know?
939
00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:07,049
That's ugly. Who the hell
would want to look like that?
940
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:08,551
I don't want
to look like that.
941
00:40:08,552 --> 00:40:10,455
Why did you want to look
like that then?
942
00:40:10,456 --> 00:40:12,826
Um, I mean,
I like being big.
943
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,729
I had small-man complex, you know.
944
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:16,633
I'd be like, "I don't
want to be little."
945
00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:19,505
I wanted to be taller. I couldn't
grow taller, so I grew wider.
946
00:40:19,506 --> 00:40:22,177
Personally I think in the
picture that you showed me--
947
00:40:22,178 --> 00:40:24,381
- Oh, I look better.
- Your arms look a lot better there
948
00:40:24,382 --> 00:40:28,355
- than they look now, right? Wouldn't you agree?
- Without a doubt.
949
00:40:28,356 --> 00:40:30,692
I would rather look like
that. Do you think girls
950
00:40:30,693 --> 00:40:32,662
look at me and go,
"oh My God, that's hot"?
951
00:40:32,663 --> 00:40:34,900
They like... ( gags )
"that's --ing gross."
952
00:40:34,901 --> 00:40:38,106
I walk into a club and the hottest
girl could be there with her boyfriend
953
00:40:38,107 --> 00:40:40,277
and her boyfriend
will see me
954
00:40:40,278 --> 00:40:42,313
and mush her in the face
to get over to me
955
00:40:42,314 --> 00:40:44,617
just to say to me, like,
"dude, what the --?"
956
00:40:44,618 --> 00:40:46,888
You're getting attention from
the guys, not from the girl.
957
00:40:46,889 --> 00:40:49,493
I don't give a shit. It's
attention. I can't explain it to you.
958
00:40:49,494 --> 00:40:51,964
It's like a mindset. Does
that make sense or no?
959
00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:53,968
But I tell you what--
when I'm done
960
00:40:53,969 --> 00:40:56,606
my biceps are humongous,
humongous.
961
00:40:56,607 --> 00:40:58,143
Like that-- bam!
962
00:40:58,144 --> 00:41:00,146
For myself, I'm kind of
on the fence.
963
00:41:00,147 --> 00:41:02,150
I have two brothers.
They're both taking steroids
964
00:41:02,151 --> 00:41:03,686
right as we speak
right now.
965
00:41:03,687 --> 00:41:05,690
I don't know
if I want people
966
00:41:05,691 --> 00:41:07,694
to think
I'm not cheating
967
00:41:07,695 --> 00:41:09,630
or to look at me
and say,
968
00:41:09,631 --> 00:41:12,703
"Wow, you know, you
really have a great build."
969
00:41:12,704 --> 00:41:15,741
But do you think I should
take steroids to get there?
970
00:41:15,742 --> 00:41:19,114
I think steroids are
as American as apple pie.
971
00:41:19,115 --> 00:41:20,851
We live in a society
today that--
972
00:41:20,852 --> 00:41:23,356
You got M.T.V.
And reality shows,
973
00:41:23,357 --> 00:41:25,793
Madonna's making out
with Britney Spears,
974
00:41:25,794 --> 00:41:28,665
Rap music and all that shit, and
you're worried about steroids?
975
00:41:28,666 --> 00:41:31,136
Kids are like, "--
you, cop. -- you, man,"
976
00:41:31,137 --> 00:41:34,342
Playing video games like grand
theft auto where you're killing cops.
977
00:41:34,343 --> 00:41:37,949
That's worse influence in my
opinion than steroids will ever be,
978
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:39,952
than Barry Bonds
hitting home runs.
979
00:41:39,953 --> 00:41:42,891
There's a big difference
between a kid taking steroids
980
00:41:42,892 --> 00:41:45,396
who's only had hair on
his dick a couple of years,
981
00:41:45,397 --> 00:41:48,468
as opposed to a grown man
who's looking to perform better
982
00:41:48,469 --> 00:41:50,738
At a better level
in sports.
983
00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:52,742
And where is Schwarzenegger
in all this?
984
00:41:52,743 --> 00:41:54,746
I mean, he is the
poster boy for steroids.
985
00:41:54,747 --> 00:41:57,351
He's the poster boy for "hey,
look, look at me, look what I did.
986
00:41:57,352 --> 00:41:59,388
I came, I conquered,
I kicked ass."
987
00:41:59,389 --> 00:42:02,928
That autobiography says he
was doing it when he was 15-16.
988
00:42:02,929 --> 00:42:07,269
Hey, he won Mr. Universe
at 19 years old-- 19.
989
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:09,573
Did you ever see what he
looked like when he was 19?
990
00:42:09,574 --> 00:42:11,811
Do you think it was god-given
genetics or do you think
991
00:42:11,812 --> 00:42:13,715
that maybe he took the
performance enhancers?
992
00:42:13,716 --> 00:42:15,718
A lot of people
idolize these guys,
993
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,857
whether it's a rock star, a
bodybuilder, a movie star, whoever,
994
00:42:18,858 --> 00:42:21,428
and all of a sudden
you get to meet them
995
00:42:21,429 --> 00:42:23,232
and, man,
is it a let-down.
996
00:42:23,233 --> 00:42:27,206
Because they're never ever
what they appear to be.
997
00:42:27,207 --> 00:42:29,210
The guy you see
in public like this
998
00:42:29,211 --> 00:42:32,548
has got the middle finger
under the table going like this.
999
00:42:32,549 --> 00:42:34,920
It's never "what you see
is what you get."
1000
00:42:34,921 --> 00:42:37,157
It's "what you see is
what they want you to see."
1001
00:42:37,158 --> 00:42:39,495
Everybody idolized
Schwarzenegger growing up.
1002
00:42:39,496 --> 00:42:41,999
Everybody thought,
"man, I wanna lift weights
1003
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,003
and life a pure life
like Arnold.
1004
00:42:44,004 --> 00:42:46,942
And I'm gonna eat all my vegetables
and take my protein shakes.
1005
00:42:46,943 --> 00:42:49,948
Maybe I'll move out to
California, train at Gold's Gym.
1006
00:42:49,949 --> 00:42:52,185
And I'm gonna get really
big. I'm gonna win contests.
1007
00:42:52,186 --> 00:42:53,921
I'm gonna be
a movie star too."
1008
00:42:53,922 --> 00:42:55,558
ANNOUNCER:
Please welcome a man
1009
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,030
whose story embodies
the American dream.
1010
00:42:59,031 --> 00:43:01,034
One thing I learned
about America is
1011
00:43:01,035 --> 00:43:04,140
that if you work hard and
if you play by the rules
1012
00:43:04,141 --> 00:43:06,511
this country is truly
open to you.
1013
00:43:06,512 --> 00:43:09,083
You can achieve
anything.
1014
00:43:09,084 --> 00:43:11,921
Dude, that is--
1015
00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:14,525
That is a pipe dream.
1016
00:43:14,526 --> 00:43:16,529
That is
a pipe dream, okay?
1017
00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:18,533
To get where
Arnold got in life
1018
00:43:18,534 --> 00:43:20,938
you have to be willing
to step on a few fingers
1019
00:43:20,939 --> 00:43:23,643
and step on a few friends
and fuck a few people over.
1020
00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:25,412
You don't get to that
level without that.
1021
00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:27,249
In this world you're
either the barracuda
1022
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:29,754
or you're that little minnow
swimming around like this.
1023
00:43:29,755 --> 00:43:31,323
And Arnold's
the barracuda.
1024
00:43:31,324 --> 00:43:33,427
And we'll all exercise
a little bit together
1025
00:43:33,428 --> 00:43:36,600
with the dumbbells. Come on
now, let's do some presses here.
1026
00:43:36,601 --> 00:43:38,837
CHRIS: In the same year
that George Bush Sr. signed
1027
00:43:38,838 --> 00:43:41,742
the Steroid Control Act he
also made Arnold Schwarzenegger
1028
00:43:41,743 --> 00:43:44,614
the chairman of the President's
Council on Physical Fitness.
1029
00:43:44,615 --> 00:43:46,484
So I'm confused.
1030
00:43:46,485 --> 00:43:49,022
Was the President saying
that a former steroid user
1031
00:43:49,023 --> 00:43:50,725
could still be a
role model for kids?
1032
00:43:50,726 --> 00:43:52,062
- Are you gonna exercise?
- Yeah!
1033
00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:53,631
We're gonna
pump up muscle!
1034
00:43:53,632 --> 00:43:56,035
TV NARRATOR:
Enter Steve Rogers,
1035
00:43:56,036 --> 00:43:58,139
Too puny to be
accepted by the army,
1036
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:01,111
but willing to risk
death for his country.
1037
00:44:01,112 --> 00:44:03,382
He's changing
right before our eyes!
1038
00:44:03,383 --> 00:44:05,386
TV NARRATOR:
Suddenly it is over
1039
00:44:05,387 --> 00:44:07,389
and America has
a new champion.
1040
00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:10,495
CHRIS: Why do you think in America
superheroes are so important?
1041
00:44:10,496 --> 00:44:12,499
STAN LEE:
People need heroes,
1042
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,204
Whether in real life
or in fiction,
1043
00:44:15,205 --> 00:44:17,742
because they need somebody
to inspire them,
1044
00:44:17,743 --> 00:44:19,712
something to aim for,
1045
00:44:19,713 --> 00:44:22,017
somebody to try
to be like.
1046
00:44:22,018 --> 00:44:25,255
I think any boy
would want
1047
00:44:25,256 --> 00:44:27,626
to be built like
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
1048
00:44:27,627 --> 00:44:30,899
Did you ever want to be
big a muscular like that?
1049
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,270
I wanted to be a little--
when I'd go to the beach
1050
00:44:33,271 --> 00:44:36,175
I used to wish that my
arms were a little stronger.
1051
00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:38,881
I looked more like
the 98-lb weakling.
1052
00:44:38,882 --> 00:44:41,285
Did that ever inspire you,
that Charles Atlas comic strip?
1053
00:44:41,286 --> 00:44:44,223
- Did that inspire some of your characters?
- It inspired everybody.
1054
00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:46,494
CHARLES ATLAS: Let me teach
you how to become strong.
1055
00:44:46,495 --> 00:44:50,268
( fanfare )
1056
00:44:53,809 --> 00:44:56,412
When you're young
you get impressions
1057
00:44:56,413 --> 00:44:59,218
That pretty much
last you all your life.
1058
00:44:59,219 --> 00:45:01,622
If you step up
and show up
1059
00:45:01,623 --> 00:45:03,726
and play hard,
you're gonna play.
1060
00:45:03,727 --> 00:45:05,429
All right,
get a break.
1061
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:07,432
- ( boys cheer )
- Rock 'n' roll, fellas!
1062
00:45:07,433 --> 00:45:09,169
CHRIS:
Smelly's now a coach
1063
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:11,173
for the local high-school
football team.
1064
00:45:11,174 --> 00:45:13,945
Kind of like Arnold, he just
wants to give back to the kids.
1065
00:45:13,946 --> 00:45:16,282
MARK: Going to school
was pretty painful for me.
1066
00:45:16,283 --> 00:45:19,054
Oftentimes I can find
the kid who is like me
1067
00:45:19,055 --> 00:45:21,058
and maybe doesn't have
the best confidence
1068
00:45:21,059 --> 00:45:22,694
and show him
how to lift weights
1069
00:45:22,695 --> 00:45:24,296
and build him up
physically and mentally.
1070
00:45:24,297 --> 00:45:26,534
( cheering )
1071
00:45:26,535 --> 00:45:28,705
BOY:
He's the kind of guy
1072
00:45:28,706 --> 00:45:31,443
who would get in your life
and slowly turn it around.
1073
00:45:31,444 --> 00:45:33,781
He keeps me going. He keeps
me motivated about something.
1074
00:45:33,782 --> 00:45:35,751
When he works with those
high school kids
1075
00:45:35,752 --> 00:45:38,689
that's his passion.
Not a lot of kids
1076
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:41,094
Have a strong male figure
in their life.
1077
00:45:43,534 --> 00:45:46,371
I mean, a lot of people--
they're usually very selfish,
1078
00:45:46,372 --> 00:45:48,708
but he's not. I've never really
met anyone that's like that.
1079
00:45:52,683 --> 00:45:54,285
CHRIS: There's a gym
in Columbus, Ohio,
1080
00:45:54,286 --> 00:45:56,689
Where the strongest guys
in the world train.
1081
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:58,860
It's called
West Side Barbell.
1082
00:45:58,861 --> 00:46:02,300
And this is where Smelly learned
from his role model, Louie Simmons.
1083
00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,571
I've got a philosophy like
many-- when you go to war
1084
00:46:04,572 --> 00:46:07,476
you go to kill.
You don't go to get killed.
1085
00:46:07,477 --> 00:46:09,079
There's nobody
in this place
1086
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,049
that's not trying to be the
best athlete in the world.
1087
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:15,190
Everybody here is trying to
achieve an elite level of success.
1088
00:46:15,191 --> 00:46:17,261
Pretty much as you're a kid you
always want to be the strongest.
1089
00:46:17,262 --> 00:46:19,264
I always wanted to be
the strongest guy.
1090
00:46:19,265 --> 00:46:21,702
And I still want
to be that, you know.
1091
00:46:21,703 --> 00:46:24,140
( all cheering )
1092
00:46:24,141 --> 00:46:26,745
SIMMONS: In 1959 my
father showed me a book.
1093
00:46:26,746 --> 00:46:28,915
It was about the Russians
taking testosterone.
1094
00:46:28,916 --> 00:46:30,819
So I said,
"what the hell?
1095
00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:33,724
First chance I got, I'm gonna
do some of this." and so I did.
1096
00:46:33,725 --> 00:46:36,563
I've actually been on
anabolic steroids for 36 years.
1097
00:46:36,564 --> 00:46:39,168
Matt, Matt, Matt,
Matt, Matt, Matt!
1098
00:46:39,169 --> 00:46:40,036
Up up up up up!
1099
00:46:42,441 --> 00:46:44,912
CHRIS: Is it something I
should be morally battling
1100
00:46:44,913 --> 00:46:46,581
or should I be fine
with doing it?
1101
00:46:46,582 --> 00:46:48,585
Your morals are
your morals, not mine.
1102
00:46:48,586 --> 00:46:51,790
Who am I to judge you? And
who are you to judge me?
1103
00:46:51,791 --> 00:46:54,529
You want to be strong
or you want to be weak?
1104
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:56,165
But you can't be strong
without doing steroids?
1105
00:46:56,166 --> 00:46:57,768
You can't be
as strong as possible.
1106
00:46:57,769 --> 00:47:00,474
If you want to reach the top
you're gonna have to do it.
1107
00:47:00,475 --> 00:47:03,345
Everybody thinks anabolic
steroids is the easy way out.
1108
00:47:03,346 --> 00:47:05,649
The people that train
with anabolic steroids
1109
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:07,487
train way harder
than people that don't.
1110
00:47:07,488 --> 00:47:09,456
Regardless of what people
think of Barry Bonds,
1111
00:47:09,457 --> 00:47:11,527
you can't take
a bottle of testosterone,
1112
00:47:11,528 --> 00:47:13,163
put on Barry's
baseball uniform
1113
00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:15,400
and make him hit
700 home runs.
1114
00:47:15,401 --> 00:47:18,306
Barry's got to go out, train
and hit the 700 home runs.
1115
00:47:18,307 --> 00:47:20,309
But what if
the scientists came up
1116
00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:22,480
with something better
than anabolic steroids?
1117
00:47:22,481 --> 00:47:25,318
You see cows, you see
immense, powerful cows,
1118
00:47:25,319 --> 00:47:28,057
And they basically have
changed their genes.
1119
00:47:28,058 --> 00:47:31,062
If they can change your
genes, would that be illegal?
1120
00:47:31,063 --> 00:47:33,767
What would they do then?
Just ban sports in general?
1121
00:47:33,768 --> 00:47:35,771
( chuckles )
Oh My Lord.
1122
00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:39,178
( laughing )
1123
00:47:39,179 --> 00:47:42,784
When people see these,
is the first question
1124
00:47:42,785 --> 00:47:44,788
"how many hormones
do you pump into them?"
1125
00:47:44,789 --> 00:47:46,591
Well, it's two comments.
One would be,
1126
00:47:46,592 --> 00:47:49,162
"oh my gosh, what did you
do to that thing?"
1127
00:47:49,163 --> 00:47:51,333
And secondly, "it looks
like Arnold Schwarzenegger."
1128
00:47:51,334 --> 00:47:53,337
CHRIS: This is a
Belgian Blue Bull--
1129
00:47:53,338 --> 00:47:55,908
( moos )
1130
00:47:55,909 --> 00:47:59,982
2600 lbs, all muscle,
all natural.
1131
00:47:59,983 --> 00:48:02,486
So tell me again,
you're all natural?
1132
00:48:02,487 --> 00:48:04,457
You're not
taking anything?
1133
00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:09,299
I think you're ready
for Congress.
1134
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,170
He has
a genetic mutation
1135
00:48:11,171 --> 00:48:13,440
that allows him to grow
double muscle.
1136
00:48:13,441 --> 00:48:15,210
And scientists
have figured out
1137
00:48:15,211 --> 00:48:17,514
how to genetically alter
humans the same way.
1138
00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:19,852
Dr. Lee Sweeney is
using this technology
1139
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:21,722
to try to cure
muscular dystrophy.
1140
00:48:21,723 --> 00:48:24,193
It's obviously going to become
more and more evident
1141
00:48:24,194 --> 00:48:26,197
that what we call talent
1142
00:48:26,198 --> 00:48:28,935
is really
genetic variation.
1143
00:48:28,936 --> 00:48:31,406
There's genetic enhancement
available that might be able
1144
00:48:31,407 --> 00:48:34,212
to give you what
nature didn't give you.
1145
00:48:34,213 --> 00:48:37,718
Trying to figure out how
to do it in the safest way
1146
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,755
Is something that
hasn't been worked out.
1147
00:48:39,756 --> 00:48:41,759
If you find out
that it's safe,
1148
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,996
would you be somebody
who would say, "hey--"?
1149
00:48:43,997 --> 00:48:45,332
Yeah, I would be
first in line.
1150
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:46,834
'Cause it seems
like this is
1151
00:48:46,835 --> 00:48:49,640
the future of sports--
gene doping.
1152
00:48:49,641 --> 00:48:51,677
Gene doping, yeah.
I wouldn't do it.
1153
00:48:51,678 --> 00:48:53,046
( chuckles )
1154
00:48:53,047 --> 00:48:55,785
Will gene doping ruin
sports in America?
1155
00:48:55,786 --> 00:48:57,588
I don't think so.
I mean, I think
1156
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:59,592
any time there's
a new technology
1157
00:48:59,593 --> 00:49:02,229
everyone says, "okay,
we have to stand back
1158
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:05,135
and think about what this is
really gonna mean to society."
1159
00:49:05,136 --> 00:49:06,805
And I think
that's the debate
1160
00:49:06,806 --> 00:49:08,709
we will come to
in the coming decades.
1161
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:11,680
TV NARRATOR: Good sportsmanship--
you know what that means?
1162
00:49:11,681 --> 00:49:14,051
Play fair.
1163
00:49:14,052 --> 00:49:16,356
CHRIS: When I was a kid
cheating was pretty clear-cut,
1164
00:49:16,357 --> 00:49:18,927
like when the million dollar
man hired the referee's
1165
00:49:18,928 --> 00:49:21,064
evil twin brother to cheat
the Hulkster out of his title.
1166
00:49:21,065 --> 00:49:23,369
COMMENTATOR: Is that Dave
Hebner or is that Dave Hebner?
1167
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:26,370
You know, cheating in other sports
wasn't all that different.
1168
00:49:26,871 --> 00:49:27,871
Remember when Joe Necro
1169
00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:30,072
was hot-scuffing the ball
with an emery board?
1170
00:49:30,073 --> 00:49:31,908
COMMENTATOR: Something
came out of his pocket.
1171
00:49:31,909 --> 00:49:34,313
Chris: And what about when the
Patriots were playing the Dolphins
1172
00:49:34,314 --> 00:49:36,550
And they hired
an ex-con to clear
1173
00:49:36,551 --> 00:49:38,588
a spot in the snow for
the field-goal kicker?
1174
00:49:38,589 --> 00:49:40,625
You can't do that.
1175
00:49:40,626 --> 00:49:42,361
I think it's
the most unfair thing
1176
00:49:42,362 --> 00:49:43,930
that I've ever been
associated in.
1177
00:49:43,931 --> 00:49:46,736
CHRIS: Or like when Rosie
Ruiz won the Boston Marathon.
1178
00:49:46,737 --> 00:49:49,908
The mystery woman winner. We
missed her at all our checkpoints.
1179
00:49:49,909 --> 00:49:52,914
CHRIS: Why take steroids
when you can take a bus?
1180
00:49:52,915 --> 00:49:54,583
And who can forget
when Tonya Harding
1181
00:49:54,584 --> 00:49:58,090
hired a goon to take out
Nancy Kerrigan's knee?
1182
00:49:58,091 --> 00:50:00,094
Why? Why?
( sobbing )
1183
00:50:00,095 --> 00:50:02,231
I guess if you can't
beat 'em,
1184
00:50:02,232 --> 00:50:04,201
beat 'em
with a lead pipe.
1185
00:50:04,202 --> 00:50:07,040
But somehow steroids
seem kind of different.
1186
00:50:07,041 --> 00:50:09,611
I thought in undergraduate
school and in college
1187
00:50:09,612 --> 00:50:11,247
I was a pretty good
athlete.
1188
00:50:11,248 --> 00:50:14,020
But I find
myself angry,
1189
00:50:14,021 --> 00:50:16,925
angry in my gut
1190
00:50:16,926 --> 00:50:20,565
because these are the same guys
that would have taken me out,
1191
00:50:20,566 --> 00:50:22,969
taken me out
not because they had
1192
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:25,841
more god-given
natural talent than me
1193
00:50:25,842 --> 00:50:29,749
but because they enhanced
with artificial means.
1194
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:32,286
CHRIS: If using
steroids is cheating,
1195
00:50:32,287 --> 00:50:35,191
seems like a whole bunch of other
stuff should be cheating too.
1196
00:50:35,192 --> 00:50:38,331
Take Tiger Woods, for example.
He had Lasik eye surgery
1197
00:50:38,332 --> 00:50:41,704
and now his vision is 20/15.
That's better than perfect.
1198
00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,308
WOODS: My eyes are stable.
My game's a lot better.
1199
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:46,146
I felt pretty good
coming in.
1200
00:50:46,147 --> 00:50:48,315
CHRIS: In a game that relies
so much on depth perception,
1201
00:50:48,316 --> 00:50:51,955
wouldn't superhuman vision
be a performance enhancement?
1202
00:50:51,956 --> 00:50:53,726
Then there's
cortisone shots.
1203
00:50:53,727 --> 00:50:55,997
They helped Curt Schilling
win the World Series.
1204
00:50:55,998 --> 00:50:58,033
And those are
steroids too.
1205
00:50:58,034 --> 00:51:02,074
Truth is, corticosteroids can have worse
side effects than anabolic steroids,
1206
00:51:02,075 --> 00:51:04,412
but they're used
in sports every day.
1207
00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:06,315
He had a 20-minute
cortisone shot
1208
00:51:06,316 --> 00:51:08,921
after Monday's match after
his back tightened up.
1209
00:51:08,922 --> 00:51:10,857
CHRIS: Here's an even
more confusing example--
1210
00:51:10,858 --> 00:51:12,527
Floyd Landis claims
1211
00:51:12,528 --> 00:51:14,697
that he did not take steroids
to win the Tour De France.
1212
00:51:14,698 --> 00:51:16,935
LANDIS: Truth is, I
didn't use testosterone
1213
00:51:16,936 --> 00:51:18,772
like I'm accused of doing.
I didn't cheat.
1214
00:51:18,773 --> 00:51:20,976
I didn't do anything
outside of the rules.
1215
00:51:20,977 --> 00:51:24,349
I won the Tour clean
and I deserved to win.
1216
00:51:24,350 --> 00:51:25,918
I'm proud of it
and I always will be.
1217
00:51:25,919 --> 00:51:29,023
CHRIS: But he did sleep in
his own altitude chamber.
1218
00:51:29,024 --> 00:51:31,027
I got my
altitude chamber
1219
00:51:31,028 --> 00:51:33,132
out by the garage
these days.
1220
00:51:33,133 --> 00:51:35,503
So you made this?
1221
00:51:35,504 --> 00:51:37,405
Yeah, it's not actually
that hard to make.
1222
00:51:37,407 --> 00:51:39,978
I didn't make the pipe. I got the
pipe from some construction site.
1223
00:51:39,979 --> 00:51:41,514
They were putting in
a water main.
1224
00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:43,150
Is the result
pretty good?
1225
00:51:43,151 --> 00:51:44,485
For me it makes
a difference, yeah.
1226
00:51:44,486 --> 00:51:46,523
And how long do you
stay in here for?
1227
00:51:46,524 --> 00:51:49,328
Just sleep in there all night.
I don't know, six or seven hours.
1228
00:51:49,329 --> 00:51:51,331
Is your wife like,
"what are you doing?"
1229
00:51:51,332 --> 00:51:53,335
"I'm gonna sleep
in the chamber."
1230
00:51:53,336 --> 00:51:54,805
( laughs )
She hates it.
1231
00:51:54,806 --> 00:51:56,474
So you just climb
in there?
1232
00:51:56,475 --> 00:51:58,011
Yeah, you want
to try it out?
1233
00:51:58,012 --> 00:52:00,248
You won't have a monitor
in there, but I have it set
1234
00:52:00,249 --> 00:52:01,551
to, like,
about 13,000'.
1235
00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:04,556
( air hissing )
1236
00:52:04,557 --> 00:52:06,860
CHRIS: See, sleeping
in an altitude chamber
1237
00:52:06,861 --> 00:52:08,864
produces a lot more
red blood cells,
1238
00:52:08,865 --> 00:52:10,868
which means more oxygen
in your system,
1239
00:52:10,869 --> 00:52:14,307
which means more endurance for a
cyclist or a long-distance runner.
1240
00:52:14,308 --> 00:52:17,179
There are four ways to increase
your red blood cell count.
1241
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:20,519
You can sleep in an
altitude chamber like Floyd
1242
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,257
or you can just train at the
U.S. Olympic training center
1243
00:52:23,258 --> 00:52:25,294
at 6,000'
in Colorado.
1244
00:52:25,295 --> 00:52:27,164
Then there's
blood doping.
1245
00:52:27,165 --> 00:52:29,702
That's when you draw your own
blood a month before the big race,
1246
00:52:29,703 --> 00:52:31,839
then re-inject it
the night before.
1247
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,244
Finally, there's a drug
called E.P.O.
1248
00:52:34,245 --> 00:52:36,114
which simply
tells your body
1249
00:52:36,115 --> 00:52:37,984
to produce more
red blood cells.
1250
00:52:37,985 --> 00:52:40,321
So that's four ways to
do the exact same thing,
1251
00:52:40,322 --> 00:52:43,995
but two are allowed
and two are cheating.
1252
00:52:43,996 --> 00:52:46,266
You done yet?
1253
00:52:47,803 --> 00:52:49,772
( laughs )
1254
00:52:49,773 --> 00:52:52,745
Hey.
That's kind of weird.
1255
00:52:52,746 --> 00:52:55,316
No, it's nice, man. Once you get used
to it it's nice sleeping in there.
1256
00:52:55,317 --> 00:52:57,420
SCOTT REID: What's heartbreaking
is my eight-year-old--
1257
00:52:57,421 --> 00:52:59,356
his two favorite athletes are
Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong.
1258
00:52:59,357 --> 00:53:01,727
My four-year-old is obsessed
with Floyd Landis.
1259
00:53:01,728 --> 00:53:03,865
So what do you tell these kids?
I talk to people all the time
1260
00:53:03,866 --> 00:53:05,835
That they go, "who can
my kids believe in?"
1261
00:53:05,836 --> 00:53:08,005
And I want to tell them
is "nobody."
1262
00:53:08,006 --> 00:53:10,243
I ask not to be judged
and much less
1263
00:53:10,244 --> 00:53:12,180
to be sentenced
by anyone.
1264
00:53:12,181 --> 00:53:15,353
You can't trust anybody now because
the testing is so ineffective.
1265
00:53:15,354 --> 00:53:17,757
You don't know who's really
clean, who's really dirty.
1266
00:53:17,758 --> 00:53:20,696
CHRIS: Were you taking any
sort of drugs for that race?
1267
00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,700
Not what they
fined me with, no.
1268
00:53:22,701 --> 00:53:24,770
- But you were taking other stuff.
- Other stuff, yeah.
1269
00:53:24,771 --> 00:53:26,440
But isn't that
still cheating?
1270
00:53:26,441 --> 00:53:29,144
Still cheating, yeah,
like everybody else.
1271
00:53:29,145 --> 00:53:30,815
So that's how
you justify it--
1272
00:53:30,816 --> 00:53:32,417
- Everybody's cheating?
- Yes.
1273
00:53:32,418 --> 00:53:34,321
When I interviewed Ben
Johnson he basically said,
1274
00:53:34,322 --> 00:53:36,024
"look, everybody was
on something."
1275
00:53:36,025 --> 00:53:40,466
Well, you know, Ben--
and bless his heart,
1276
00:53:40,467 --> 00:53:42,535
he's got to say
everyone was on something.
1277
00:53:42,536 --> 00:53:45,541
That's justifying
his own means.
1278
00:53:45,542 --> 00:53:47,144
So he has a problem
with you beating--
1279
00:53:47,145 --> 00:53:48,814
he has a problem--
he has a problem
1280
00:53:48,815 --> 00:53:51,252
- of, you know, me beating him.
- Yeah.
1281
00:53:51,253 --> 00:53:53,255
When we were taking
that victory stand,
1282
00:53:53,256 --> 00:53:55,359
we were on the stand
and he got the gold medal,
1283
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,664
he didn't smile.
He never smiled.
1284
00:53:57,665 --> 00:53:59,401
He never celebrated.
And the thing is,
1285
00:53:59,402 --> 00:54:02,639
he couldn't really inside share
in the joy of winning. He cheated.
1286
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,643
You cheat.
Everybody cheats.
1287
00:54:04,644 --> 00:54:06,313
Nobody in this world
is perfect.
1288
00:54:06,314 --> 00:54:07,983
Nobody in this life
is perfect-- nobody.
1289
00:54:07,984 --> 00:54:11,590
They know that in 1988
six Americans at least
1290
00:54:11,591 --> 00:54:13,594
tested positive in Seoul.
And they all shut up
1291
00:54:13,595 --> 00:54:16,031
because the biggest money
comes from America.
1292
00:54:16,032 --> 00:54:18,034
So who's gonna
get shafted,
1293
00:54:18,035 --> 00:54:20,038
Americans
or Ben Johnson?
1294
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,010
DR. WADE EXUM: I think that Ben
Johnson was unfairly singled out.
1295
00:54:23,011 --> 00:54:25,882
I think that there's
always scapegoats.
1296
00:54:25,883 --> 00:54:29,155
Is there a lot of drug use
going on in Olympics?
1297
00:54:29,156 --> 00:54:32,294
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
1298
00:54:32,295 --> 00:54:34,898
CHRIS: Dr. Exum was the
Director of Anti-Doping
1299
00:54:34,899 --> 00:54:37,103
at the U.S. Olympic Committee
for 10 years.
1300
00:54:37,104 --> 00:54:39,808
He thought his job was
to stop drugs in sports,
1301
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:42,313
but his bosses had
other priorities.
1302
00:54:42,314 --> 00:54:45,051
He told me that over
2000 American athletes
1303
00:54:45,052 --> 00:54:47,622
failed their drug tests,
including Carl Lewis,
1304
00:54:47,623 --> 00:54:49,459
and they were
covered up.
1305
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:51,529
Nobody believes Carl Lewis
ever failed a drug test.
1306
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:53,366
- Do you have any proof?
- Oh, certainly.
1307
00:54:53,367 --> 00:54:56,939
We have just boxes of proof
for everything that I say.
1308
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:58,943
There it is,
book three.
1309
00:54:58,944 --> 00:55:02,149
Here's a letter from
then Executive Director
1310
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:04,888
Baaron Pittenger
to Mr. Lewis.
1311
00:55:04,889 --> 00:55:07,926
CHRIS: "I must confirm that the
analysis for your specimen 'B'
1312
00:55:07,927 --> 00:55:10,832
was positive for
pseudoephedrine, ephedrine,
1313
00:55:10,833 --> 00:55:13,270
And phenylpropanolee--
lamine--
1314
00:55:13,271 --> 00:55:15,373
- Is that what is is?
- Phenylpropanolamine, yeah.
1315
00:55:15,374 --> 00:55:17,143
--IOC banned stimulants.
1316
00:55:17,144 --> 00:55:20,148
By policy of the U.S.O.C.,
this finding is cause
1317
00:55:20,149 --> 00:55:22,519
for disqualification
from the Olympic team
1318
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,625
to the 1988 Summer Olympic
Games in Seoul, Korea."
1319
00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:28,063
Wow.
1320
00:55:28,064 --> 00:55:29,967
This is basically
a letter that said
1321
00:55:29,968 --> 00:55:31,403
that you had failed
the test
1322
00:55:31,404 --> 00:55:34,208
and that there was a
consequence to that failure.
1323
00:55:34,209 --> 00:55:37,381
As we all know,
that didn't come about.
1324
00:55:37,382 --> 00:55:39,985
You actually received
a letter, or a call--
1325
00:55:39,986 --> 00:55:41,989
- Yes. - --that you had
failed the drug test--
1326
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:44,092
- Right. - --because
of some stimulants?
1327
00:55:44,093 --> 00:55:45,396
Yeah, it was like
1328
00:55:45,397 --> 00:55:47,499
a cold medicine type thing,
the herbal supplement.
1329
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:50,103
They made up this term. It
was called "inadvertent use"--
1330
00:55:50,104 --> 00:55:53,343
an athlete took something
without meaning to take it
1331
00:55:53,344 --> 00:55:56,816
or without meaning to gain
an advantage from taking it.
1332
00:55:56,817 --> 00:55:58,853
Mm-hmm.
And so they made that up
1333
00:55:58,854 --> 00:56:00,690
to basically kind of
let people off the hook?
1334
00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:02,660
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
1335
00:56:02,661 --> 00:56:05,565
Carl's story is--
it's been a cold medicine;
1336
00:56:05,566 --> 00:56:08,071
it's been a tea; it's been
some kind of a nutrient.
1337
00:56:08,072 --> 00:56:10,575
- It's a stimulant. - CHRIS: So
you're saying these athletes--
1338
00:56:10,576 --> 00:56:13,013
- they know what's on the banned substance list?
- They totally know.
1339
00:56:13,014 --> 00:56:15,351
They are bombarded with
the banned substance list.
1340
00:56:15,352 --> 00:56:17,354
A lot of people say
you failed the drug test,
1341
00:56:17,355 --> 00:56:19,358
you raced against
Ben Johnson,
1342
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,831
and that maybe--
maybe the gold medal
1343
00:56:22,832 --> 00:56:24,835
- should go to the guy next on the stand.
- I understand.
1344
00:56:24,836 --> 00:56:27,740
There are a lot of people that are
going to go to their graves saying,
1345
00:56:27,741 --> 00:56:29,844
"I know he did it." and you
know what? To hell with them.
1346
00:56:32,516 --> 00:56:35,253
DR. EXUM: You really cannot
fault the athlete for doing that.
1347
00:56:35,254 --> 00:56:38,793
You can't fault Carl
when Carl's belief is
1348
00:56:38,794 --> 00:56:41,932
that the system sets some rules
and that you need to follow them.
1349
00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:43,936
And they made an
exception in his case.
1350
00:56:43,937 --> 00:56:47,075
They made an exception in
a lot of people's cases.
1351
00:56:47,076 --> 00:56:49,246
But it's the system
1352
00:56:49,247 --> 00:56:51,884
that actually teaches
athletes to think that way.
1353
00:56:51,885 --> 00:56:53,888
You know, for me
1354
00:56:53,889 --> 00:56:56,225
the whole "level playing
field" was a myth.
1355
00:56:56,226 --> 00:56:59,565
If we could not do anything
to take doping out of sports
1356
00:56:59,566 --> 00:57:03,005
then doping was
meant to be in sports.
1357
00:57:03,006 --> 00:57:06,711
The first all-drug Olympics
opened today in Bogota, Colombia.
1358
00:57:06,712 --> 00:57:09,650
Athletes are allowed to
take any substance whatsoever
1359
00:57:09,651 --> 00:57:12,221
before, after, and even
during the competition.
1360
00:57:13,926 --> 00:57:15,928
- ( screams )
- ( laughter )
1361
00:57:15,929 --> 00:57:18,232
Oh! He's pulled
his arms off!
1362
00:57:18,233 --> 00:57:21,138
He's pulled his arms off. That's got
to be disappointing to the big Russian.
1363
00:57:24,712 --> 00:57:26,715
Yeah!
1364
00:57:26,716 --> 00:57:29,887
What has made
every major sport
1365
00:57:29,888 --> 00:57:31,824
a multi-billion-dollar
entity?
1366
00:57:31,825 --> 00:57:34,229
Well, after you
distill it all down,
1367
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:35,798
it's the desire
of the customer,
1368
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:39,037
the fans that fill
these seats and others,
1369
00:57:39,038 --> 00:57:42,611
to see bigger-than-life people
doing bigger-than-life things.
1370
00:57:42,612 --> 00:57:45,249
CHRIS: What do you think about
athletes using steroids in sports?
1371
00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:47,420
Steroids?
I love it if they're on my team.
1372
00:57:47,421 --> 00:57:49,657
I think it's totally wrong,
totally wrong.
1373
00:57:49,658 --> 00:57:51,293
- Worst offense. Throw them out.
- It's cheating?
1374
00:57:51,294 --> 00:57:53,164
Hell yeah, it's cheating.
Are you kidding me?
1375
00:57:55,101 --> 00:57:57,705
MAN: Oh!
1376
00:57:57,706 --> 00:58:00,110
- ( man cheering )
- ( belches )
1377
00:58:00,111 --> 00:58:01,946
MAN: It all gets back to money.
1378
00:58:01,947 --> 00:58:03,716
As long as people
continue to buy
1379
00:58:03,717 --> 00:58:06,755
Mark McGuire shirts,
Barry Bonds hats,
1380
00:58:06,756 --> 00:58:09,159
we're feeding
that monster.
1381
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,664
You vote for the Raiders
by wearing the Raiders hat.
1382
00:58:11,665 --> 00:58:13,434
You cast your vote for
Nike with your T-shirt.
1383
00:58:13,435 --> 00:58:16,005
You know, every day when you
pick a dollar out of your pocket
1384
00:58:16,006 --> 00:58:18,176
you're voting.
And if you don't like
1385
00:58:18,177 --> 00:58:21,515
athletes juicing up, then
don't vote to have that done.
1386
00:58:21,516 --> 00:58:23,686
Don't buy their stuff.
Don't go to the game.
1387
00:58:23,687 --> 00:58:25,690
Do steroids.
Become governor.
1388
00:58:25,691 --> 00:58:27,861
Be big and strong,
no girly man.
1389
00:58:27,862 --> 00:58:30,232
- The Giants, baby!
- Whoo!
1390
00:58:30,233 --> 00:58:32,769
Shockey!
1391
00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:34,506
Whoo!
1392
00:58:34,507 --> 00:58:36,276
CHRIS: Since the
steroid scandals broke
1393
00:58:36,277 --> 00:58:38,347
sports revenue has gone
through the roof.
1394
00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:41,820
People are buying more tickets,
T-shirts as souvenirs than ever.
1395
00:58:41,821 --> 00:58:44,291
So if this is what we
the people are voting for,
1396
00:58:44,292 --> 00:58:46,862
why did Congress
get involved?
1397
00:58:46,863 --> 00:58:49,100
They always tell you that
if you have a problem,
1398
00:58:49,101 --> 00:58:51,103
Talk to your
Congressman.
1399
00:58:51,104 --> 00:58:54,142
Lucky for me, my
Congressman is Henry Waxman.
1400
00:58:54,143 --> 00:58:55,945
- Hey, how are you?
- I'm fine. How are you?
1401
00:58:55,946 --> 00:58:57,482
Very nice to meet you.
Chris Bell.
1402
00:58:57,483 --> 00:58:58,851
CHRIS: He's the one who called
1403
00:58:58,852 --> 00:59:00,854
the baseball hearings
in the first place.
1404
00:59:00,855 --> 00:59:02,858
He's got to have
some answers.
1405
00:59:02,859 --> 00:59:04,862
I think it's important
1406
00:59:04,863 --> 00:59:07,633
for sports figures
1407
00:59:07,634 --> 00:59:10,071
in major league sports
1408
00:59:10,072 --> 00:59:12,075
not to be allowed
1409
00:59:12,076 --> 00:59:15,147
to use steroids
under any circumstance.
1410
00:59:15,148 --> 00:59:17,017
And for young people--
1411
00:59:17,018 --> 00:59:19,655
we certainly don't want
them to be using it.
1412
00:59:19,656 --> 00:59:22,928
So the drug is
a restricted drug.
1413
00:59:22,929 --> 00:59:25,533
It's not--
there's not a--
1414
00:59:25,534 --> 00:59:28,238
Let me--
1415
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,575
Brian, is it illegal
to use--?
1416
00:59:30,576 --> 00:59:32,446
it's illegal--
it's legal
1417
00:59:32,447 --> 00:59:34,115
under some circumstances.
What's--?
1418
00:59:34,116 --> 00:59:35,852
BRIAN: It's legal
with a prescription--
1419
00:59:35,853 --> 00:59:38,123
- legal with-- okay.
- --A medical prescription.
1420
00:59:38,124 --> 00:59:39,993
It's legal with
a medical prescription.
1421
00:59:39,994 --> 00:59:41,897
And the other drug
was the...
1422
00:59:41,898 --> 00:59:44,067
testosterone or just
steroids in general.
1423
00:59:44,068 --> 00:59:46,438
Well, I think that
they're also banned.
1424
00:59:46,439 --> 00:59:49,043
They're already banned
in professional sports.
1425
00:59:49,044 --> 00:59:51,314
Brian, am I right?
Speak up if I'm wrong.
1426
00:59:51,315 --> 00:59:52,483
- Yes.
- Okay.
1427
00:59:52,484 --> 00:59:54,754
Well, these products
are already banned.
1428
00:59:54,755 --> 00:59:57,859
Cigarettes
and alcohol
1429
00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:59,863
are legally
available,
1430
00:59:59,864 --> 01:00:02,668
but not if you're
under the age.
1431
01:00:02,669 --> 01:00:04,672
And I think the age
1432
01:00:04,673 --> 01:00:07,443
is 18 for both
all around the country.
1433
01:00:07,444 --> 01:00:10,616
Is it 18 or 21? I'm
getting confused. What?
1434
01:00:10,617 --> 01:00:12,118
- BRIAN: 21.
- CHRIS: 21.
1435
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:14,056
- Okay, so strike that.
- That's all right.
1436
01:00:14,057 --> 01:00:16,093
President Bush allotted
1437
01:00:16,094 --> 01:00:18,531
$15 million
for steroid education.
1438
01:00:18,532 --> 01:00:20,467
Where has
that money gone?
1439
01:00:20,468 --> 01:00:23,206
Um, I don't know.
1440
01:00:23,207 --> 01:00:25,677
Do you know?
1441
01:00:25,678 --> 01:00:27,180
Okay, we don't know.
( laughs )
1442
01:00:27,181 --> 01:00:30,018
- Okay.
- So...
1443
01:00:30,019 --> 01:00:32,022
JEFF TAYLOR:
It's a war on drugs
1444
01:00:32,023 --> 01:00:34,059
and Congressmen want
to be tough on drugs,
1445
01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:36,062
so they just
demonize them all.
1446
01:00:36,063 --> 01:00:38,200
And they say, "oh, our children
are being exposed to them.
1447
01:00:38,201 --> 01:00:40,204
They're gonna kill
our children."
1448
01:00:40,205 --> 01:00:42,642
And they just paint
everything in black and white.
1449
01:00:42,643 --> 01:00:44,913
And they really don't
see the areas in between.
1450
01:00:44,914 --> 01:00:47,117
For those of us
who live in the grey areas
1451
01:00:47,118 --> 01:00:48,953
and whose life
depends on it.
1452
01:00:48,954 --> 01:00:50,555
It's a very
important issue.
1453
01:00:50,556 --> 01:00:52,760
Politicians
are always looking
1454
01:00:52,761 --> 01:00:54,797
for an issue
to get behind.
1455
01:00:54,798 --> 01:00:56,634
They're always looking
for something
1456
01:00:56,635 --> 01:00:58,470
to be able to say
to the public,
1457
01:00:58,471 --> 01:01:00,341
"hey, look at what
my legislation's doing.
1458
01:01:00,342 --> 01:01:01,710
Look at what
my bill has done.
1459
01:01:01,711 --> 01:01:04,581
I'm out there.
I'm protecting you.
1460
01:01:04,582 --> 01:01:06,652
I'm protecting
the children."
1461
01:01:06,653 --> 01:01:08,756
CHRIS: Turns out the
most important witness
1462
01:01:08,757 --> 01:01:11,595
at the baseball hearings
was not a famous athlete.
1463
01:01:11,596 --> 01:01:14,066
Taylor Hooton was
a 17-year-old kid
1464
01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:17,505
who committed suicide and
his father blamed steroids.
1465
01:01:17,506 --> 01:01:20,411
I believe
the poor example
1466
01:01:20,412 --> 01:01:22,749
being set
by professional athletes
1467
01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:25,220
is a major catalyst
fueling
1468
01:01:25,221 --> 01:01:27,591
the high usage of steroids
amongst our kids.
1469
01:01:27,592 --> 01:01:29,828
And parents
across America
1470
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:32,165
should hold you
accountable
1471
01:01:32,166 --> 01:01:34,570
for behavior
that inspires our kids
1472
01:01:34,571 --> 01:01:36,974
to do things that put
their health at risk
1473
01:01:36,975 --> 01:01:38,978
and that teaches them
that the ethics
1474
01:01:38,979 --> 01:01:41,483
we try to teach them
around our kitchen table
1475
01:01:41,484 --> 01:01:43,954
somehow don't apply
to them.
1476
01:01:43,955 --> 01:01:45,958
Please help us to see
1477
01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,629
that our children's lives
were not lost in vain.
1478
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:51,368
You have the power
to do something about it
1479
01:01:51,369 --> 01:01:54,206
and we're counting
on you to do so.
1480
01:01:54,207 --> 01:01:55,942
JOHN SWEENEY:
Donald Hooton coming in
1481
01:01:55,943 --> 01:01:57,680
and putting
a human face on it
1482
01:01:57,681 --> 01:02:01,153
was more powerful
than the scientific--
1483
01:02:01,154 --> 01:02:03,457
the statistics
or any of that stuff.
1484
01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:06,128
CHRIS: On average,
5,000 kids a year
1485
01:02:06,129 --> 01:02:08,166
commit suicide
in America.
1486
01:02:08,167 --> 01:02:10,837
And most parents
never know exactly why.
1487
01:02:10,838 --> 01:02:13,175
I wanted to find out why
Donald Hooton is so sure
1488
01:02:13,176 --> 01:02:15,779
that the answer could
be as simple as steroids.
1489
01:02:23,729 --> 01:02:25,230
- How are you doing?
- Fine.
1490
01:02:25,231 --> 01:02:27,334
- Chris Henry.
- Don Hooton. Nice to meet you.
1491
01:02:27,335 --> 01:02:30,639
This is a very very
competitive community
1492
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,112
all the way from
athletics to business.
1493
01:02:33,113 --> 01:02:36,350
So you wind up
in an affluent area
1494
01:02:36,351 --> 01:02:39,656
where these kids can afford
to play with this stuff.
1495
01:02:39,657 --> 01:02:41,994
And of course in
hindsight as we look back,
1496
01:02:41,995 --> 01:02:44,098
all of the signs were
staring us in the face--
1497
01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:46,670
The behavior problems,
the physical changes,
1498
01:02:46,671 --> 01:02:48,940
but we had no idea
what we were looking at.
1499
01:02:48,941 --> 01:02:50,910
If we go back
to the medical textbook,
1500
01:02:50,911 --> 01:02:53,816
the depression that comes
along with steroid use is bad,
1501
01:02:53,817 --> 01:02:57,156
but it's worse in that
four-to-six-week period
1502
01:02:57,157 --> 01:02:59,660
following stopping
using this stuff.
1503
01:02:59,661 --> 01:03:01,931
And it was
during that period
1504
01:03:01,932 --> 01:03:03,934
that his mother
found him
1505
01:03:03,935 --> 01:03:06,439
hanging on the door
in his bedroom.
1506
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,775
Jeez.
1507
01:03:07,776 --> 01:03:09,778
Taylor Hooton's dad,
Don Hooton,
1508
01:03:09,779 --> 01:03:12,984
called me shortly after
1509
01:03:12,985 --> 01:03:15,556
Taylor had taken
his life.
1510
01:03:15,557 --> 01:03:18,260
Together we came up
with the idea
1511
01:03:18,261 --> 01:03:20,365
of creating
a private organization...
1512
01:03:20,366 --> 01:03:22,335
...to educate
the public
1513
01:03:22,336 --> 01:03:24,338
about the dangers
1514
01:03:24,339 --> 01:03:26,642
of anabolic steroid abuse.
1515
01:03:26,643 --> 01:03:28,513
This is Taylor's room.
1516
01:03:28,514 --> 01:03:30,350
You don't have to come
in here long to realize
1517
01:03:30,351 --> 01:03:32,019
Taylor was
a baseball player.
1518
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:36,060
'Cause he started maybe
five years old in T-ball.
1519
01:03:36,061 --> 01:03:40,101
But Taylor was
a great kid.
1520
01:03:40,102 --> 01:03:42,372
We took Taylor
to a psychiatrist
1521
01:03:42,373 --> 01:03:45,310
and she put him on
a low dose of Lexapro.
1522
01:03:45,311 --> 01:03:47,782
And as far as I know,
1523
01:03:47,783 --> 01:03:50,420
this is the only
steroid-related case
1524
01:03:50,421 --> 01:03:54,194
that this well-meaning
psychiatrist had ever had.
1525
01:03:54,195 --> 01:03:57,867
And when the psychiatrist
recommended that Taylor go cold turkey
1526
01:03:57,868 --> 01:04:00,205
and stop using steroids...
1527
01:04:02,242 --> 01:04:04,412
it was a formula
for disaster.
1528
01:04:04,413 --> 01:04:06,750
I feel terrible, obviously,
about Taylor Hooton,
1529
01:04:06,751 --> 01:04:09,121
But Taylor Hooton had
a lot of problems
1530
01:04:09,122 --> 01:04:11,125
and he was on other drugs.
1531
01:04:11,126 --> 01:04:13,128
According to some
newspaper accounts,
1532
01:04:13,129 --> 01:04:15,733
he was on S.S.R.I.S--
antidepressants
1533
01:04:15,734 --> 01:04:17,736
which have been shown
to be associated
1534
01:04:17,737 --> 01:04:20,642
with suicidal ideation
and suicidal behavior.
1535
01:04:20,643 --> 01:04:23,547
So whether his suicide
was due to Lexapro
1536
01:04:23,548 --> 01:04:25,685
or due to steroids
or due to depression
1537
01:04:25,686 --> 01:04:28,022
or due to stress
of being a great athlete,
1538
01:04:28,023 --> 01:04:30,193
there are five other
things-- I don't know.
1539
01:04:30,194 --> 01:04:32,331
Do you think
that perhaps--
1540
01:04:32,332 --> 01:04:35,136
when I look
at your website,
1541
01:04:35,137 --> 01:04:37,940
The Taylor Hooton
Foundation--
1542
01:04:37,941 --> 01:04:40,345
do you think
it's a responsibility
1543
01:04:40,346 --> 01:04:44,152
to include
antidepressants in there
1544
01:04:44,153 --> 01:04:46,156
just in case
there are critics
1545
01:04:46,157 --> 01:04:48,160
or just to raise
the awareness
1546
01:04:48,161 --> 01:04:50,898
of how dangerous perhaps
antidepressants may be?
1547
01:04:50,899 --> 01:04:52,902
No, I don't.
And the reason is,
1548
01:04:52,903 --> 01:04:56,040
our battle is not with antidepressants.
Our battle's with steroids.
1549
01:04:56,041 --> 01:04:58,979
The National Institute
on Drug Abuse said
1550
01:04:58,980 --> 01:05:00,983
the dangers
of anabolic steroids
1551
01:05:00,984 --> 01:05:03,455
are temporary
and reversible.
1552
01:05:03,456 --> 01:05:05,458
My son is dead.
1553
01:05:07,763 --> 01:05:11,302
All of the intellectual
arguments
1554
01:05:11,303 --> 01:05:12,771
about whether or not
1555
01:05:12,772 --> 01:05:16,344
steroids are dangerous
or not
1556
01:05:16,345 --> 01:05:18,348
don't matter to me.
1557
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:20,285
I know
they're dangerous.
1558
01:05:20,286 --> 01:05:23,592
I saw it with my own eyes
and I watched my son die.
1559
01:05:23,593 --> 01:05:26,263
The only evidence I need
is the pictures of my son
1560
01:05:26,264 --> 01:05:28,266
that are on the wall
behind you.
1561
01:05:28,267 --> 01:05:29,168
Mm-hmm.
1562
01:05:32,041 --> 01:05:34,010
JOHN ROMANO:
Look, I have a son too.
1563
01:05:34,011 --> 01:05:36,682
And the last thing in the
world I could ever imagine doing
1564
01:05:36,683 --> 01:05:38,619
is burying that kid.
And it would probably
1565
01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:40,389
ruin me for the rest
of my life.
1566
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:42,559
And I can see
where having a cause
1567
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,298
to sort of assuage
the feelings of guilt
1568
01:05:45,299 --> 01:05:48,370
and depression that are
following my son's death
1569
01:05:48,371 --> 01:05:51,543
would probably be helpful. "Let's
not let this happen to somebody else."
1570
01:05:51,544 --> 01:05:54,014
But they're chasing
the wrong thing.
1571
01:05:54,015 --> 01:05:55,583
They're not
doing it right.
1572
01:05:55,584 --> 01:05:57,587
We're working
with major league baseball
1573
01:05:57,588 --> 01:05:59,591
to make that happen now
1574
01:05:59,592 --> 01:06:02,162
where hopefully
in each local stadium
1575
01:06:02,163 --> 01:06:04,600
there's gonna be
a steroid awareness night.
1576
01:06:04,601 --> 01:06:06,604
Do you find it
ironic at all
1577
01:06:06,605 --> 01:06:09,642
to have a steroid
awareness night for baseball
1578
01:06:09,643 --> 01:06:11,613
in a stadium
that sells alcohol
1579
01:06:11,614 --> 01:06:13,984
which is responsible for
a lot of deaths as a drug?
1580
01:06:16,289 --> 01:06:18,124
Alcohol's legal to sell.
1581
01:06:18,125 --> 01:06:20,128
And we can argue
all day long
1582
01:06:20,129 --> 01:06:24,202
Whether tobacco kills
and whether alcohol kills,
1583
01:06:24,203 --> 01:06:26,206
and there's a clear
distinction in my mind
1584
01:06:26,207 --> 01:06:28,978
between tobacco
or alcohol
1585
01:06:28,979 --> 01:06:32,384
and steroids and
methamphetamines and coke.
1586
01:06:32,385 --> 01:06:34,154
- Thanks for sharing that with us.
- All right.
1587
01:06:34,155 --> 01:06:36,057
I know how hard
it can be and everything.
1588
01:06:36,058 --> 01:06:37,159
This is
important stuff.
1589
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:42,703
( marching band playing,
cheerleaders cheering )
1590
01:06:52,622 --> 01:06:54,992
MARK: Anybody who
asks me about it--
1591
01:06:54,993 --> 01:06:56,829
I let them know.
I tell them why.
1592
01:06:56,830 --> 01:06:59,734
I tell them how much I
take. I'll tell them anything
1593
01:06:59,735 --> 01:07:02,740
- they want to ask me about them
'cause I think-- - What about the kids?
1594
01:07:02,741 --> 01:07:05,579
The kids are different
because--
1595
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:08,216
a couple kids asked me in
front of the whole group
1596
01:07:08,217 --> 01:07:09,820
and I had to lie
about it
1597
01:07:09,821 --> 01:07:12,325
because this whole steroid
thing is just out of hand.
1598
01:07:12,326 --> 01:07:14,429
I know coach Henry
doesn't take any steroids.
1599
01:07:14,430 --> 01:07:16,532
He's just 100% strong.
1600
01:07:16,533 --> 01:07:19,070
I think somebody asked
him if he was on steroids
1601
01:07:19,071 --> 01:07:21,809
and he said no. And I
completely believe him.
1602
01:07:21,810 --> 01:07:23,912
He just teaches that
steroids are basically--
1603
01:07:23,913 --> 01:07:25,749
they're a cheap way
out of doing hard work.
1604
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:28,120
MARK: I say they're not for kids.
1605
01:07:28,121 --> 01:07:31,092
Steroids are not for kids.
That's plain and simple.
1606
01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:33,196
You should achieve
things naturally
1607
01:07:33,197 --> 01:07:35,166
and then maybe you
should think about them
1608
01:07:35,167 --> 01:07:36,769
when you're
an adult.
1609
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:38,773
The main reason why
I don't take steroids
1610
01:07:38,774 --> 01:07:41,278
is 'cause he got it into my
head that I don't need 'em,
1611
01:07:41,279 --> 01:07:44,684
that I got the potential right now as
a teenager to get as strong as I want.
1612
01:07:44,685 --> 01:07:47,322
MARK: What good would it do them
to know that I take steroids?
1613
01:07:47,323 --> 01:07:49,726
It wouldn't do them any
good. They'd just be like,
1614
01:07:49,727 --> 01:07:52,097
"oh, man,
he's a cheater.
1615
01:07:52,098 --> 01:07:53,968
Would you ever tell our
parents that you do it?
1616
01:07:53,969 --> 01:07:57,541
Um, I mean, you know,
1617
01:07:57,542 --> 01:07:59,544
if they asked me.
1618
01:07:59,545 --> 01:08:02,483
I only cooked
two pounds.
1619
01:08:02,484 --> 01:08:05,188
I hope it's enough.
1620
01:08:05,189 --> 01:08:07,526
CHRIS: You know, we went
to church all the time.
1621
01:08:07,527 --> 01:08:09,430
I grew up
in a great family.
1622
01:08:09,431 --> 01:08:11,433
I don't think
I could ask
1623
01:08:11,434 --> 01:08:13,837
for anybody better
to be parents, you know.
1624
01:08:13,838 --> 01:08:18,379
And when I went
to the U.S.C.
1625
01:08:18,380 --> 01:08:20,450
I didn't do any drugs.
I didn't do anything.
1626
01:08:20,451 --> 01:08:22,754
- 'Cause you're a good boy.
- Well...
1627
01:08:22,755 --> 01:08:25,292
And then I got to a point
where I actually tried steroids.
1628
01:08:25,293 --> 01:08:27,930
I tried Winstrol,
which is injections.
1629
01:08:27,931 --> 01:08:30,167
You injected a needle
in yourself?
1630
01:08:30,168 --> 01:08:31,737
MIKE: It's just
in the muscle.
1631
01:08:31,738 --> 01:08:33,440
Yeah, 'cause you get to
a point where you're like,
1632
01:08:33,441 --> 01:08:35,645
"I'm getting out of shape.
I don't feel like I used to."
1633
01:08:35,646 --> 01:08:37,648
The reason I stopped
doing it was
1634
01:08:37,649 --> 01:08:40,019
because I thought
it was immoral.
1635
01:08:40,020 --> 01:08:42,490
I thought it was so wrong
and like,
1636
01:08:42,491 --> 01:08:44,694
"what if my parents
found out I did this?"
1637
01:08:44,695 --> 01:08:46,531
I think it's really
hard to hear
1638
01:08:46,532 --> 01:08:49,670
- that you tried 'em and everything, but--
- For you.
1639
01:08:49,671 --> 01:08:51,140
It's not hard
for me.
1640
01:08:51,141 --> 01:08:54,378
What I'm saying is
that it's hard to hear.
1641
01:08:54,379 --> 01:08:56,382
And what about mark?
I mean,
1642
01:08:56,383 --> 01:08:58,953
how come you're staying big
but you're not getting fat?
1643
01:08:58,954 --> 01:09:01,425
- You're just--
- I'm getting fatter.
1644
01:09:01,426 --> 01:09:03,362
No, but your face
is rounder.
1645
01:09:03,363 --> 01:09:05,533
- I put on body fat.
- MIKE: He's about--
1646
01:09:05,534 --> 01:09:08,304
You're about 7% or 8% higher than what
you normally are, wouldn't you say?
1647
01:09:08,305 --> 01:09:10,007
I have no idea. I don't
really care either.
1648
01:09:10,008 --> 01:09:11,677
CHRIS: He's already
married. He doesn't care.
1649
01:09:11,678 --> 01:09:13,948
ROSEMARY: Except Smelly's
not saying anything.
1650
01:09:13,949 --> 01:09:16,586
Don't let your brothers
overrun your conversation.
1651
01:09:18,891 --> 01:09:21,161
SHELDON: When you get
caught with something
1652
01:09:21,162 --> 01:09:24,501
I think the truth is
always the fastest way
1653
01:09:24,502 --> 01:09:26,204
out of the situation,
1654
01:09:26,205 --> 01:09:28,408
but it's not always
the best way out.
1655
01:09:28,409 --> 01:09:30,645
You know, she's concerned.
She's being a mom
1656
01:09:30,646 --> 01:09:35,020
and she's just trying
to leave it open
1657
01:09:35,021 --> 01:09:37,357
where I could say, "Yeah,
you know what? I do 'em.
1658
01:09:37,358 --> 01:09:40,530
And this is why." I think
that's what she's looking for.
1659
01:09:40,531 --> 01:09:43,068
But she's still
never directly asked me.
1660
01:09:43,069 --> 01:09:46,107
So until that time comes
I ain't sayin' nothin'.
1661
01:09:46,108 --> 01:09:47,877
( chuckles )
1662
01:09:47,878 --> 01:09:50,682
SHELDON: People have a
tendency to cheat at everything.
1663
01:09:50,683 --> 01:09:52,685
And that happens
with taxes too,
1664
01:09:52,686 --> 01:09:55,525
just like it could with
steroids or any other thing.
1665
01:09:55,526 --> 01:10:00,132
It's human nature.
It's the sinful nature of men.
1666
01:10:00,134 --> 01:10:01,903
CHRIS: My dad convinced
mad dog and his wife
1667
01:10:01,904 --> 01:10:04,040
To settle down
in Poughkeepsie.
1668
01:10:04,041 --> 01:10:06,812
And he's been doing income taxes for
the same guys he used to wrestle with.
1669
01:10:06,813 --> 01:10:09,283
I keep a couple things
around, not too much.
1670
01:10:09,284 --> 01:10:11,253
Big john.
John always keeps it real.
1671
01:10:11,254 --> 01:10:14,158
This just says "To Mad
Dog. Thanks for everything."
1672
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,431
CHRIS: Not exactly how he
thought his life would turn out.
1673
01:10:17,432 --> 01:10:19,167
MIKE: I get up, I go to the office,
1674
01:10:19,168 --> 01:10:21,305
you know, I make money for
them, I make money for me.
1675
01:10:21,306 --> 01:10:23,809
I got a great wife.
I got a great family.
1676
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:25,813
But I wanted to be
a famous wrestler
1677
01:10:25,814 --> 01:10:28,218
and, you know,
I wanted to live the life.
1678
01:10:28,219 --> 01:10:30,789
I wanted to be on the road,
travel, meeting people,
1679
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:32,793
Making money,
having fun--
1680
01:10:32,794 --> 01:10:34,662
you know,
living the life.
1681
01:10:34,663 --> 01:10:36,600
SHELDON: He'll break
down and he'll be crying
1682
01:10:36,601 --> 01:10:38,570
and he'll say, like,
"dad, the biggest fear
1683
01:10:38,571 --> 01:10:40,573
I ever had in my life
was being average Joe.
1684
01:10:40,574 --> 01:10:42,944
And I'm 36 years old and that's
all I can see for myself."
1685
01:10:42,945 --> 01:10:44,314
CHRIS: What do you want to do now?
1686
01:10:44,315 --> 01:10:46,752
Where do you see
yourself going?
1687
01:10:46,753 --> 01:10:50,492
I mean, you know, the immediate
goal was to get out of Poughkeepsie,
1688
01:10:50,493 --> 01:10:53,731
move to California,
establish my name
1689
01:10:53,732 --> 01:10:57,872
and then start my own
business eventually.
1690
01:10:57,873 --> 01:11:00,243
Seemed like he was making
good progress, okay?
1691
01:11:00,244 --> 01:11:01,779
But he wasn't making
any progress.
1692
01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:03,450
I told him the other night, I said,
1693
01:11:03,451 --> 01:11:05,821
"you might be fooling
everybody else,
1694
01:11:05,822 --> 01:11:07,523
but you're not
fooling me.
1695
01:11:07,524 --> 01:11:09,694
You're full of shit.
You're still on stuff."
1696
01:11:09,695 --> 01:11:11,865
Why do you think he
would tell us about it?
1697
01:11:11,866 --> 01:11:14,536
He tells me everything else,
you know, that he's doing.
1698
01:11:14,537 --> 01:11:16,540
I think he's
partially embarrassed
1699
01:11:16,541 --> 01:11:19,645
and I think he's--
1700
01:11:19,646 --> 01:11:21,983
that's part of
addictive behavior.
1701
01:11:21,984 --> 01:11:25,356
His thing is this-- "I'm gonna be
fine as soon as I'm out of here.
1702
01:11:25,357 --> 01:11:28,294
I'm gonna go live in California.
My life is gonna be perfect."
1703
01:11:28,295 --> 01:11:31,868
But if he really believes that--
no, he's not gonna be fine at all.
1704
01:11:31,869 --> 01:11:34,607
You know who I feel bad
for? I feel bad for Nadine.
1705
01:11:34,608 --> 01:11:36,676
'Cause here's a young
girl who's married,
1706
01:11:36,677 --> 01:11:39,716
whose hopes and dreams
and life
1707
01:11:39,717 --> 01:11:42,654
is in him,
and he's a screw-up.
1708
01:11:42,655 --> 01:11:46,060
And if he ends up overdosing
and killing himself
1709
01:11:46,061 --> 01:11:48,833
or if he ends up on the rocks,
he's taking her with him.
1710
01:11:48,834 --> 01:11:51,704
I'm not moving out there
with the hopes and dreams of--
1711
01:11:51,705 --> 01:11:54,109
I'm not gonna wait tables and
hope I'm gonna be an actor.
1712
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:55,879
I already did that--
15 years of wrestling.
1713
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,248
You think
you'll get noticed?
1714
01:11:57,249 --> 01:11:59,285
I'm not moving out
to get noticed,
1715
01:11:59,286 --> 01:12:01,322
but you're never gonna get
noticed in Poughkeepsie.
1716
01:12:01,323 --> 01:12:03,760
In Hollywood you're walking down
the street, somebody sees you--
1717
01:12:03,761 --> 01:12:05,730
"hey, you got a minute?"
you just never know.
1718
01:12:05,731 --> 01:12:07,734
You don't think
there's any way
1719
01:12:07,735 --> 01:12:09,737
he can get past it?
1720
01:12:09,738 --> 01:12:11,975
A miracle.
1721
01:12:14,314 --> 01:12:16,984
I'm serious.
1722
01:12:16,985 --> 01:12:19,489
I think they're gonna
find him dead someday.
1723
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:23,028
I thought bringing up boys--
this is easy.
1724
01:12:23,029 --> 01:12:25,801
At least I don't have
a daughter who's, like,
1725
01:12:25,802 --> 01:12:27,904
got her face in the bowl
throwing up.
1726
01:12:27,905 --> 01:12:31,010
You know, did I--
did I do something
1727
01:12:31,011 --> 01:12:33,014
as a mother
1728
01:12:33,015 --> 01:12:35,552
To make you feel,
1729
01:12:35,553 --> 01:12:37,288
like, not good enough?
1730
01:12:37,289 --> 01:12:40,294
When Mike went off to college
and he calls your father up
1731
01:12:40,295 --> 01:12:41,763
and says,
"can I try steroids?"
1732
01:12:41,764 --> 01:12:45,403
"No, you're not getting
money to try steroids."
1733
01:12:45,404 --> 01:12:50,145
You know, we both thought
that was a crazy thing, so--
1734
01:12:50,146 --> 01:12:52,283
but do you know where he
ended up getting 'em from?
1735
01:12:52,284 --> 01:12:55,188
- No, but I wasn't gonna-- - He
got 'em from your brother John.
1736
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:56,591
No--
1737
01:12:58,963 --> 01:13:01,366
So that's-- I mean, it's
something that's like,
1738
01:13:01,367 --> 01:13:03,369
you know,
in our family.
1739
01:13:03,370 --> 01:13:05,373
I mean, it's something
that, like--
1740
01:13:05,374 --> 01:13:07,878
Chris, you're already
killing me with this as it is.
1741
01:13:07,879 --> 01:13:09,782
- Well, I'm telling--
- It just gets worse.
1742
01:13:09,783 --> 01:13:11,451
I'm just telling you
the truth.
1743
01:13:11,452 --> 01:13:14,189
I'm just trying to tell
you how I feel as a mother.
1744
01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:16,794
I am broken
to my soul.
1745
01:13:16,795 --> 01:13:18,464
My heart is broken.
1746
01:13:20,168 --> 01:13:22,171
When you were growing up
Hulk Hogan--
1747
01:13:22,172 --> 01:13:24,242
look what he's saying.
"take your vitamins,
1748
01:13:24,243 --> 01:13:26,446
say your prayers--"
and what?
1749
01:13:26,447 --> 01:13:28,749
- "believe in yourself."
- Yeah, but it's not true.
1750
01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:31,488
- So I started working out.
- "Take your steroids," okay?
1751
01:13:31,489 --> 01:13:33,926
I don't know if he
ever prays or not.
1752
01:13:33,927 --> 01:13:37,833
Never heard him talk about
god in his whole life, okay?
1753
01:13:37,834 --> 01:13:39,837
Now that time
has gone by,
1754
01:13:39,838 --> 01:13:41,740
I'm like,
"is this guy a fraud?"
1755
01:13:41,741 --> 01:13:44,279
And that's where I think
that everybody needs
1756
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,317
to begin to accept--
"I am who I am,"
1757
01:13:47,318 --> 01:13:49,288
said Popeye
the sailor man.
1758
01:13:49,289 --> 01:13:51,324
He even was a gyp.
1759
01:13:51,325 --> 01:13:53,930
- He had to take spinach.
- He had to take spinach.
1760
01:13:53,931 --> 01:13:56,434
Everybody needs something.
I mean, what's up with that?
1761
01:13:56,435 --> 01:13:59,306
If I just accept who I am right
now, isn't that just giving up?
1762
01:13:59,307 --> 01:14:01,577
No, accept who you are
as a person.
1763
01:14:01,578 --> 01:14:03,747
Then your body image
is something different.
1764
01:14:03,748 --> 01:14:06,252
Do you think a fat person
hasn't tried everything
1765
01:14:06,253 --> 01:14:08,923
that's legal? But I'm
not gonna cross the line.
1766
01:14:08,924 --> 01:14:12,196
The Bible lays everything out
about how to live your life.
1767
01:14:12,197 --> 01:14:14,434
- But the bible can't solve all your problems.
- It can.
1768
01:14:14,435 --> 01:14:17,339
I can't pray to look like Arnold
Schwarzenegger. It's not gonna happen.
1769
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:19,977
No, you can't pray to look
like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
1770
01:14:19,978 --> 01:14:21,981
but neither can you
take enough steroids
1771
01:14:21,982 --> 01:14:24,920
or enough human growth hormone
to look like him either.
1772
01:14:24,921 --> 01:14:27,324
- But you can get as close as you can.
- It's not gonna happen.
1773
01:14:27,325 --> 01:14:30,062
You're fearfully
and wonderfully made.
1774
01:14:30,063 --> 01:14:33,602
Every sinew in your body,
every muscle, every fiber
1775
01:14:33,603 --> 01:14:36,007
was made by god.
And you're exactly
1776
01:14:36,008 --> 01:14:38,011
who he intended you
to be.
1777
01:14:38,012 --> 01:14:41,149
And so what? To somebody
with a six-pack of abs.
1778
01:14:41,150 --> 01:14:43,153
Maybe they don't have
what you have.
1779
01:14:43,154 --> 01:14:46,293
I mean, you know, why don't
you ever think that way too?
1780
01:14:46,294 --> 01:14:49,531
What I don't get is
why did our boys
1781
01:14:49,532 --> 01:14:52,570
Not feel that they were
good enough?
1782
01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:59,015
My father or my grandfather
1783
01:14:59,016 --> 01:15:00,986
never worried about
1784
01:15:00,987 --> 01:15:02,990
whether they had a six-pack
of abdominals
1785
01:15:02,991 --> 01:15:05,461
or what percentage
of body fat they had.
1786
01:15:05,462 --> 01:15:09,535
So why is it now
in the 21st century
1787
01:15:09,536 --> 01:15:11,672
that there's this
huge preoccupation
1788
01:15:11,673 --> 01:15:13,810
with body image that
just didn't exist before?
1789
01:15:13,811 --> 01:15:16,514
CHRIS: Dr. Harrison
pope is a psychiatrist
1790
01:15:16,515 --> 01:15:20,054
who studies why American men are
becoming more obsessed with their bodies.
1791
01:15:20,055 --> 01:15:22,859
So here
we have G.I. Joe
1792
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:25,163
from the 1960s.
1793
01:15:25,164 --> 01:15:27,868
This is when he first came out
at the time of the Vietnam war.
1794
01:15:27,869 --> 01:15:30,006
He's a perfectly
normal-looking dude.
1795
01:15:30,007 --> 01:15:33,445
Here is G.I. Joe
from about 10 years later,
1796
01:15:33,446 --> 01:15:35,282
- from the mid-1970s.
- He's got abs now.
1797
01:15:35,283 --> 01:15:37,887
He's clearly been putting
in some time in the gym.
1798
01:15:37,888 --> 01:15:41,727
- And then here is G.I. Joe from the 1990s.
- Oh, jeez.
1799
01:15:41,728 --> 01:15:44,565
The bicep is
up to 16" or so,
1800
01:15:44,566 --> 01:15:46,603
full six-pack of abs,
1801
01:15:46,604 --> 01:15:48,840
even got serratus muscles
visible on the side.
1802
01:15:48,841 --> 01:15:50,844
This evolution
in the action figures
1803
01:15:50,845 --> 01:15:53,082
is a testimony
1804
01:15:53,083 --> 01:15:55,753
to this increased
preoccupation with body image
1805
01:15:55,754 --> 01:15:57,857
that we've been seeing
in the United States.
1806
01:15:57,858 --> 01:16:00,228
And it's funny
that in our culture
1807
01:16:00,229 --> 01:16:03,167
we still tend
to romanticize
1808
01:16:03,168 --> 01:16:05,171
steroids
to a certain way--
1809
01:16:05,172 --> 01:16:08,309
That you'll see an ad
for an S.U.V. that says,
1810
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:10,747
"this is our sedan
on steroids."
1811
01:16:10,748 --> 01:16:12,818
But you wouldn't see an
ad for an S.U.V. saying,
1812
01:16:12,819 --> 01:16:14,722
"this is our sedan
on cocaine."
1813
01:16:14,723 --> 01:16:17,793
REPORTER: Well, it's sort of
like a golf cart on steroids.
1814
01:16:17,794 --> 01:16:20,566
It looked like an
easy-bake oven on steroids.
1815
01:16:20,567 --> 01:16:22,435
It's sort of
the economy on steroids.
1816
01:16:22,436 --> 01:16:24,206
Think of it as Apollo
on steroids.
1817
01:16:24,207 --> 01:16:26,810
This year the jet stream
has really been on steroids.
1818
01:16:26,811 --> 01:16:30,417
Kosovo would be
Bosnia on steroids.
1819
01:16:30,418 --> 01:16:32,621
MAN: Adding more U.S.
trainers and advisors,
1820
01:16:32,622 --> 01:16:35,326
essentially putting the
current strategy on steroids.
1821
01:16:35,327 --> 01:16:38,231
We are besieged
every day
1822
01:16:38,232 --> 01:16:42,305
with images of muscular
male bodies on T.V.,
1823
01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:44,777
in the movies, in cartoons,
on magazines
1824
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:46,685
at the checkout counter
in the department store,
1825
01:16:46,686 --> 01:16:49,645
all of which seem
to give this message
1826
01:16:50,946 --> 01:16:53,906
that a real man
is big and muscular.
1827
01:16:59,954 --> 01:17:01,746
There you go.
Just like that.
1828
01:17:01,747 --> 01:17:04,331
Good. Give me some good
abs, Christian. That's it.
1829
01:17:04,332 --> 01:17:06,417
I saw "Conan the Barbarian"
when I was 11.
1830
01:17:06,418 --> 01:17:09,294
And at that moment I said,
"that's exactly what I want to do."
1831
01:17:09,295 --> 01:17:11,712
And I started to study
Arnold and his achievements.
1832
01:17:11,714 --> 01:17:13,715
So I started training
with weights when I was 14.
1833
01:17:13,716 --> 01:17:15,425
I started taking
steroids when I was 16.
1834
01:17:15,426 --> 01:17:17,509
So you're advertising
a supplement.
1835
01:17:17,511 --> 01:17:19,637
So a guy like me goes
and looks in the magazine
1836
01:17:19,638 --> 01:17:21,805
and I see Christian Boeving
and I'm like, "wow, man,
1837
01:17:21,806 --> 01:17:23,974
I wanna look like that guy."
so I go and take
1838
01:17:23,975 --> 01:17:26,101
Hydroxycut
or some supplement
1839
01:17:26,102 --> 01:17:28,687
because I think that
I'm gonna look like you.
1840
01:17:28,688 --> 01:17:30,980
But what I don't know is
that you were taking steroids.
1841
01:17:30,982 --> 01:17:32,940
Do you have
any problem with that?
1842
01:17:34,567 --> 01:17:36,526
That's a double-edged
sword, my friend.
1843
01:17:36,527 --> 01:17:38,487
How to answer this?
1844
01:17:38,488 --> 01:17:40,488
Somebody looks at an ad
with me in it
1845
01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:42,782
and says, "Christian
Boeving takes Hydroxycut,"
1846
01:17:42,783 --> 01:17:44,784
Which I did
and I do.
1847
01:17:44,785 --> 01:17:47,327
That doesn't necessarily mean
that I don't take something else.
1848
01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:49,121
If they choose
to believe
1849
01:17:49,122 --> 01:17:51,498
that that's the only thing
I'm taking to look like that,
1850
01:17:51,499 --> 01:17:53,458
then so be it. They should
be smarter than that.
1851
01:17:53,459 --> 01:17:56,003
Is it misleading?
Possibly a little bit, yeah.
1852
01:17:56,004 --> 01:17:59,089
But is it a lie?
Absolutely not.
1853
01:17:59,090 --> 01:18:01,507
I'd say probably 80% to
90%-- I'm not kidding you--
1854
01:18:01,508 --> 01:18:03,467
of all the stuff
I see in magazines
1855
01:18:03,468 --> 01:18:06,303
is complete hogwash.
It's ridiculous to me.
1856
01:18:06,304 --> 01:18:09,347
I don't understand why there's
this need in advertising
1857
01:18:09,349 --> 01:18:11,141
To really
manipulate things--
1858
01:18:11,142 --> 01:18:13,142
The bone-thin
fashion models
1859
01:18:13,143 --> 01:18:15,186
that got all kinds
of eating disorders,
1860
01:18:15,187 --> 01:18:16,604
and with men
it's the opposite.
1861
01:18:16,605 --> 01:18:18,523
They get
the Adonis complex.
1862
01:18:18,524 --> 01:18:20,732
And then there's all
kinds of trouble ahead
1863
01:18:20,734 --> 01:18:23,693
'cause you have all these kids who
are like you and me when we were young
1864
01:18:23,695 --> 01:18:26,404
looking at all these people
and they're perfect.
1865
01:18:26,406 --> 01:18:29,365
And how does that make somebody
feel who's not as perfect
1866
01:18:29,366 --> 01:18:30,700
as the people they're
seeing? Not very good.
1867
01:18:32,244 --> 01:18:34,286
So this stuff
I've tried--
1868
01:18:34,287 --> 01:18:35,871
loaded with sugar.
1869
01:18:35,872 --> 01:18:38,665
I've tried this.
I've tried this.
1870
01:18:38,667 --> 01:18:39,917
Of course I've
tried this.
1871
01:18:39,918 --> 01:18:41,501
Everybody I think's
tried muscle milk.
1872
01:18:41,503 --> 01:18:43,295
I've tried this.
I've tried this.
1873
01:18:43,296 --> 01:18:45,005
I've tried
all these drinks.
1874
01:18:45,006 --> 01:18:47,923
If speed stack weren't enough,
you have extreme speed stack.
1875
01:18:47,924 --> 01:18:50,050
REHAN JALALI: The supplement
industry is very unregulated.
1876
01:18:50,052 --> 01:18:51,969
You don't have to have
F.D.A. approval
1877
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:53,679
To come out with
a dietary supplement.
1878
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,847
That gives people room
to come out
1879
01:18:55,849 --> 01:18:58,225
with some lower-quality
products.
1880
01:18:58,226 --> 01:19:00,977
This product says
"new legal formula" on it.
1881
01:19:00,978 --> 01:19:03,438
( laughs ) I don't know what
the old formula really had in it.
1882
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,314
"Belizean Man Vine
Extract."
1883
01:19:05,315 --> 01:19:07,107
( laughs ) I don't
want any part of that.
1884
01:19:07,109 --> 01:19:09,610
"Best if used by date and
lot number on bottom of can."
1885
01:19:09,611 --> 01:19:10,902
Yeah.
1886
01:19:10,903 --> 01:19:12,945
( laughs )
1887
01:19:12,947 --> 01:19:14,780
CHRIS: I always thought
the health industry
1888
01:19:14,782 --> 01:19:16,699
was about,
you know, health.
1889
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:18,785
Why does it feel like
we're back in the wild west?
1890
01:19:18,786 --> 01:19:20,411
It'll clean your teeth
and curl your hair!
1891
01:19:20,412 --> 01:19:21,828
The best in the west.
1892
01:19:21,829 --> 01:19:23,706
I wouldn't be dead
without a bottle.
1893
01:19:23,707 --> 01:19:27,291
CHRIS: Well, we can all thank the
senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch.
1894
01:19:27,293 --> 01:19:29,377
Look how good he looks.
1895
01:19:29,379 --> 01:19:31,671
I want to get his brand
is what I want to do.
1896
01:19:31,672 --> 01:19:34,466
CHRIS: See, the health industry
is big business in Utah.
1897
01:19:34,467 --> 01:19:37,843
They make almost a quarter of all
the dietary supplements in America.
1898
01:19:37,844 --> 01:19:40,512
And supplements are
a $24-billion industry.
1899
01:19:40,514 --> 01:19:42,472
So you do the math.
1900
01:19:42,473 --> 01:19:45,474
Making supplements used to be
like making prescription drugs.
1901
01:19:45,476 --> 01:19:47,727
You had to prove your
product was safe and effective
1902
01:19:47,728 --> 01:19:51,063
before you could sell it. Well,
the supplement cowboys in Utah
1903
01:19:51,064 --> 01:19:53,190
thought that was
a real hassle.
1904
01:19:53,191 --> 01:19:56,067
So they asked their favorite
senator to change the rules around.
1905
01:19:56,068 --> 01:19:58,612
And now you don't have to prove
your product is safe at all.
1906
01:19:58,613 --> 01:20:00,488
And the F.D.A. has to prove
that it's not safe
1907
01:20:00,489 --> 01:20:02,949
If they want to take it
off the market.
1908
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:04,450
What is this
red goop?
1909
01:20:04,451 --> 01:20:07,161
This is the Canadian version
of redline.
1910
01:20:07,162 --> 01:20:10,664
We had to take out some of the
ingredients that aren't legal in Canada.
1911
01:20:10,665 --> 01:20:14,000
CHRIS: Thanks to this deregulation,
the supplement industry exploded
1912
01:20:14,001 --> 01:20:17,837
And all sorts of new and interesting
people got in on the action.
1913
01:20:17,838 --> 01:20:19,922
We were always a good team,
whether we were selling drugs
1914
01:20:19,923 --> 01:20:21,840
or whether we were selling
a supplement like we are now.
1915
01:20:21,842 --> 01:20:24,801
"Jekyll & Hyde" supplements,
formulated to awaken your other side.
1916
01:20:24,803 --> 01:20:27,095
Take this and all of a sudden
you become the freak, the monster.
1917
01:20:27,096 --> 01:20:29,097
Everybody wants
to become a monster.
1918
01:20:29,098 --> 01:20:32,017
CHRIS: If Valentino can make a
supplement I bet anyone can do it.
1919
01:20:32,018 --> 01:20:33,809
Hola.
1920
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:36,479
- How many guys you need?
- I need two guys.
1921
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:38,355
- We're making dietary
supplements. - Uh-huh.
1922
01:20:38,356 --> 01:20:40,566
And I just need a hand with a
couple things. It'd be really easy.
1923
01:20:42,944 --> 01:20:44,778
All I need you guys to do
is take the white--
1924
01:20:44,779 --> 01:20:45,612
- MAN: Put inside?
- CHRIS: Boom.
1925
01:20:48,616 --> 01:20:51,658
CHRIS: First you buy a bunch
of really popular ingredients.
1926
01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:53,619
But the trick is
I'm just gonna use
1927
01:20:53,621 --> 01:20:55,954
- a tiny amount of each one.
- Oof.
1928
01:20:55,955 --> 01:20:59,374
It's what we like to call in the
supplement biz "pixie dusting."
1929
01:20:59,375 --> 01:21:01,209
See, I can hide
my secret formula
1930
01:21:01,210 --> 01:21:03,211
behind the term
"proprietary blend"
1931
01:21:03,212 --> 01:21:05,254
and not reveal
that it's pretty much
1932
01:21:05,256 --> 01:21:07,965
just a pillful
of rice flour.
1933
01:21:07,967 --> 01:21:10,968
- ( man sneezing )
- It's a good way to make a lot of money.
1934
01:21:10,969 --> 01:21:13,304
Don't sneeze
in the supplements here.
1935
01:21:13,305 --> 01:21:15,263
( man laughs )
1936
01:21:15,265 --> 01:21:17,891
CHRIS: But with all those
expensive ingredients on the label
1937
01:21:17,892 --> 01:21:20,476
I can make this bottle
for about a buck 40
1938
01:21:20,478 --> 01:21:22,728
and sell it for $60.
1939
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:25,105
Thanks, Orrin.
1940
01:21:25,106 --> 01:21:27,232
We're in the supplement
business now.
1941
01:21:27,233 --> 01:21:30,234
CHRIS: The scary part is that
everything I just did is by the book--
1942
01:21:30,235 --> 01:21:32,863
Well, except for the
illegal-immigrant day laborers.
1943
01:21:32,864 --> 01:21:36,074
But hey, nobody's
regulating them either.
1944
01:21:36,075 --> 01:21:38,576
Now I just need a
misleading advertisement.
1945
01:21:38,577 --> 01:21:41,035
Do you airbrush these guys a lot
when you put them in magazines?
1946
01:21:41,037 --> 01:21:43,288
Definitely. There's all
kinds of techniques and tools
1947
01:21:43,289 --> 01:21:45,665
you can use to completely
manipulate the body.
1948
01:21:45,666 --> 01:21:48,460
- Really? - In fact, some of the
"before" and "after" pictures--
1949
01:21:48,461 --> 01:21:50,712
They could be done
on the same day.
1950
01:21:50,713 --> 01:21:52,379
You haven't shot them in the
same day, though, have you?
1951
01:21:52,381 --> 01:21:54,382
- I have, actually.
- Oh, you have?
1952
01:21:54,383 --> 01:21:56,300
- Yeah.
- What do they do--?
1953
01:21:56,301 --> 01:21:58,969
Is this the self-editing part?
I should keep my mouth shut?
1954
01:21:58,970 --> 01:22:01,012
I could take anybody and
take a picture of them,
1955
01:22:01,013 --> 01:22:02,304
make them look
their worst...
1956
01:22:02,306 --> 01:22:05,015
think horrible thoughts,
depression.
1957
01:22:05,017 --> 01:22:07,101
( giggles )
1958
01:22:07,103 --> 01:22:09,352
...and then through
all kinds of ways
1959
01:22:09,354 --> 01:22:10,812
make them look
their best.
1960
01:22:10,813 --> 01:22:13,148
Just don't
cut my nipple off.
1961
01:22:13,149 --> 01:22:14,899
( buzzing )
1962
01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:18,110
Agh!
1963
01:22:19,321 --> 01:22:21,447
All right. Let me see here. Good.
1964
01:22:21,449 --> 01:22:23,241
One, two, three.
1965
01:22:23,242 --> 01:22:24,742
Good.
1966
01:22:24,743 --> 01:22:26,452
We can take it
a step further if we want
1967
01:22:26,453 --> 01:22:28,287
in the befores
and the afters.
1968
01:22:28,288 --> 01:22:29,913
Basically, you can
take somebody
1969
01:22:29,914 --> 01:22:31,665
and make them a little
fatter or shorter.
1970
01:22:31,666 --> 01:22:33,166
Are people falling
for this?
1971
01:22:33,167 --> 01:22:35,085
They fall for it
all the time.
1972
01:22:35,086 --> 01:22:37,837
And it's beyond
what I can understand
1973
01:22:37,838 --> 01:22:39,839
because it looks
so silly to me,
1974
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,924
but of course I'm somebody
who's had sort of an inside,
1975
01:22:41,925 --> 01:22:44,467
backstage pass to what's
really occurred,
1976
01:22:44,469 --> 01:22:47,303
and I've been part of some of
these scams that have played out.
1977
01:22:47,304 --> 01:22:49,431
CHRIS: So if unregulated
dietary supplements
1978
01:22:49,432 --> 01:22:51,307
are marketed like steroids
1979
01:22:51,308 --> 01:22:53,851
and sold by people
who are on steroids,
1980
01:22:53,853 --> 01:22:56,937
is it any wonder that so many people
are just taking the real thing?
1981
01:22:56,938 --> 01:22:59,397
I mean, it's not like
they're hard to get.
1982
01:22:59,398 --> 01:23:02,650
You can cross the border and buy
them from a pet store in Mexico.
1983
01:23:02,652 --> 01:23:05,361
MAN:
Testosterona, $15.
1984
01:23:05,363 --> 01:23:06,779
But it's for your dog,
right?
1985
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:08,488
Oh, it's for my dog.
Yeah, I forgot.
1986
01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:10,783
Yeah yeah,
my dog's anemic.
1987
01:23:10,784 --> 01:23:13,077
CHRIS: Or you can buy them
on the internet like Mad Dog.
1988
01:23:13,078 --> 01:23:15,579
If you order online you can
get the shit for $250 a kit
1989
01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:18,956
Instead of paying somebody on the
black market $500 or $600 for a kit.
1990
01:23:18,957 --> 01:23:21,876
CHRIS: Or, if you have enough
money, you can get it legally.
1991
01:23:21,877 --> 01:23:25,629
This is the annual convention
for the anti-aging medicine--
1992
01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:29,257
Booth after booth of all the
taboo performance-enhancing drugs.
1993
01:23:29,259 --> 01:23:32,511
Stanozolol-- hey, that's
what Ben Johnson used.
1994
01:23:32,512 --> 01:23:35,888
Nandrolone-- isn't that what
Shawne Merriman got caught with?
1995
01:23:35,889 --> 01:23:37,473
Oh, and human
growth hormone--
1996
01:23:37,474 --> 01:23:39,641
They say Marion Jones
was taking that.
1997
01:23:39,643 --> 01:23:41,769
Human growth hormone
usage
1998
01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:43,896
has been rampant in baseball
and other sports.
1999
01:23:43,897 --> 01:23:46,064
CHRIS: Athletes use
H.G.H. because it works
2000
01:23:46,066 --> 01:23:48,775
A lot like anabolic steroids.
And the best part is,
2001
01:23:48,777 --> 01:23:51,986
there's no way to test for
it. Here's how you get it.
2002
01:23:51,987 --> 01:23:53,862
First you go to your
anti-aging doctor.
2003
01:23:53,863 --> 01:23:56,489
Now the doctor might
not be a medical doctor.
2004
01:23:56,491 --> 01:23:58,992
Like in my case--
he's a chiropractor.
2005
01:23:58,993 --> 01:24:01,244
And chiropractors
can't prescribe drugs,
2006
01:24:01,245 --> 01:24:03,621
but that's okay.
He just has another doctor
2007
01:24:03,622 --> 01:24:05,540
write the prescriptions
for him.
2008
01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:08,542
But be careful-- prescribing
hormones for anti-aging
2009
01:24:08,543 --> 01:24:12,421
is a felony. So you can't exactly
tell your anti-aging doctor
2010
01:24:12,423 --> 01:24:14,422
that you're interested
in anti-aging.
2011
01:24:14,424 --> 01:24:16,758
Not to worry, though--
just use the words
2012
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:18,927
"hormone deficiency" instead.
2013
01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:21,053
First thing, doc will want
to do a little physical.
2014
01:24:21,054 --> 01:24:22,430
BOTH: Aagh.
2015
01:24:22,432 --> 01:24:24,056
( dings )
2016
01:24:24,058 --> 01:24:26,225
Do you have people come to
you to try to get steroids?
2017
01:24:26,226 --> 01:24:28,393
Absolutely.
But prescribing steroids--
2018
01:24:28,395 --> 01:24:30,896
That's not what we do,
not at all.
2019
01:24:30,897 --> 01:24:33,523
Mm-hmm. But it kind
of is what you do
2020
01:24:33,524 --> 01:24:35,441
in a way,
in a different way.
2021
01:24:35,443 --> 01:24:37,485
CHRIS: Next you're
gonna get a urine test
2022
01:24:37,486 --> 01:24:39,570
to check your hormone
levels for 24 hours.
2023
01:24:39,571 --> 01:24:42,782
That's a take-home test--
you know, scout's honor.
2024
01:24:42,783 --> 01:24:46,493
Send in the test and a week
later go get your results.
2025
01:24:46,494 --> 01:24:48,620
DOCTOR: We got your
labs back here--
2026
01:24:48,621 --> 01:24:50,955
Urinary growth hormone
output.
2027
01:24:50,956 --> 01:24:53,041
CHRIS: But here's the
thing-- since the F.D.A.
2028
01:24:53,042 --> 01:24:55,625
has never defined what a
hormone deficiency really is,
2029
01:24:55,627 --> 01:24:59,004
Well, doc can pretty much interpret
the results however he wants.
2030
01:24:59,005 --> 01:25:00,922
You're a little bit low,
coming down.
2031
01:25:00,924 --> 01:25:02,632
I'm gonna bring those
levels up to optimal.
2032
01:25:02,633 --> 01:25:04,801
CHRIS:
Now it may seem strange
2033
01:25:04,802 --> 01:25:06,719
that the most controversial
drugs in America
2034
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,554
are being prescribed
using take-home tests,
2035
01:25:08,555 --> 01:25:11,765
and in my case by a doctor
I never met,
2036
01:25:11,766 --> 01:25:14,226
but hey, at least I'm not
the one breaking the law.
2037
01:25:14,227 --> 01:25:16,019
Why don't you
just get it legally?
2038
01:25:16,021 --> 01:25:19,730
Um, I like getting it
the way I get it.
2039
01:25:19,732 --> 01:25:21,608
It's cheap
and I can get it
2040
01:25:21,609 --> 01:25:23,860
anytime I want.
2041
01:25:23,861 --> 01:25:26,778
And I don't think there's
any real reason for me to--
2042
01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:28,572
I mean, I don't want
to go to a doctor.
2043
01:25:28,573 --> 01:25:30,032
That's a pain
in the ass.
2044
01:25:30,033 --> 01:25:31,866
You ever worry
about getting arrested
2045
01:25:31,868 --> 01:25:33,744
or cops coming after you
or anything like that?
2046
01:25:33,745 --> 01:25:35,704
I'm not all that
concerned about it.
2047
01:25:35,705 --> 01:25:38,206
You can justify
anything to yourself.
2048
01:25:38,207 --> 01:25:40,291
And once you've
justified it to yourself
2049
01:25:40,292 --> 01:25:44,044
then you just think it's
cool. You think it's okay.
2050
01:25:44,045 --> 01:25:46,004
So in my mind
it's okay.
2051
01:25:46,005 --> 01:25:48,423
I pose the question
to people, say,
2052
01:25:48,425 --> 01:25:52,969
"hey, if you had
to take a drug
2053
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:55,554
with the side effects--
known side effects
2054
01:25:55,555 --> 01:25:58,140
and the unknown effects
of the anabolic steroids
2055
01:25:58,141 --> 01:26:01,101
To keep your job
right now
2056
01:26:01,102 --> 01:26:04,438
and support your family,
would you do it?"
2057
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,481
Maintaining an erection
is very easy to do
2058
01:26:07,483 --> 01:26:10,067
with the appropriate
chemical assistance.
2059
01:26:10,069 --> 01:26:13,446
Liquid Viagra
injected into the penis.
2060
01:26:13,447 --> 01:26:15,072
You inject this
in your penis?
2061
01:26:15,073 --> 01:26:16,532
Yep.
2062
01:26:16,533 --> 01:26:19,118
- Does it hurt?
- Um, not really.
2063
01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:20,910
CHRIS: It's not just
athletes and porn stars
2064
01:26:20,911 --> 01:26:22,620
Taking
performance-enhancing drugs.
2065
01:26:22,621 --> 01:26:24,663
Just about everybody's
in on the action.
2066
01:26:24,664 --> 01:26:27,499
Probably the most common thing
is what we call go-pills.
2067
01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:29,126
There's probably
different kinds,
2068
01:26:29,128 --> 01:26:31,086
but dextramphetamine
is the big one.
2069
01:26:31,087 --> 01:26:33,339
They work wonders, they really
do, especially if you've been
2070
01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:35,382
out there a long time and
it's hard to stay focused.
2071
01:26:35,383 --> 01:26:37,133
What about you?
2072
01:26:37,134 --> 01:26:39,802
Yeah, they'll spin you
right up.
2073
01:26:39,803 --> 01:26:42,221
Many parents may not be
aware that their children
2074
01:26:42,223 --> 01:26:44,890
are taking a drug
by the name of Adderall
2075
01:26:44,891 --> 01:26:47,559
to improve their
academic performance.
2076
01:26:47,561 --> 01:26:50,228
Adderall is
a powerful stimulant
2077
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:52,773
very much like cocaine
2078
01:26:52,774 --> 01:26:54,356
or methamphetamine.
2079
01:26:54,357 --> 01:26:56,150
It's not just for people
who have problems.
2080
01:26:56,151 --> 01:26:58,486
People who think completely
fine-- I've taken Adderall
2081
01:26:58,487 --> 01:27:00,529
in college here and there
to write a paper.
2082
01:27:00,531 --> 01:27:02,280
And I said, "this is a
fun way to write a paper."
2083
01:27:02,282 --> 01:27:04,783
Your test scores go up
and you're
2084
01:27:04,784 --> 01:27:07,577
doing homework faster,
so you can do more work.
2085
01:27:07,579 --> 01:27:09,954
All I did when I went to class--
my friends, should I talk to them?
2086
01:27:09,956 --> 01:27:11,581
Nope, hold on. And I'd
be doing all my work.
2087
01:27:11,582 --> 01:27:13,374
CHRIS: And for every performance
2088
01:27:13,375 --> 01:27:15,793
there's a way
to enhance it.
2089
01:27:15,794 --> 01:27:17,461
So you take beta-blockers
to calm you down?
2090
01:27:17,462 --> 01:27:19,421
It actually doesn't
calm me down.
2091
01:27:19,422 --> 01:27:21,381
It prevents me
from getting nervous.
2092
01:27:21,382 --> 01:27:23,258
- Here we go.
- WOMAN: I was in college
2093
01:27:23,259 --> 01:27:25,926
and I was having really really bad
problems with performance anxiety
2094
01:27:25,928 --> 01:27:28,887
and it was actually making me question
what I was doing in the first place.
2095
01:27:28,889 --> 01:27:31,932
A friend gave me beta-blockers
and I just couldn't believe it.
2096
01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:36,353
I felt like I could get up there
and do exactly what I wanted to do
2097
01:27:36,354 --> 01:27:40,147
and I wasn't hindered by
what my body was reacting to.
2098
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:42,691
( applause )
2099
01:27:42,692 --> 01:27:46,112
Blocking that adrenaline
goes a long way
2100
01:27:46,113 --> 01:27:48,530
towards enhancing
performance.
2101
01:27:48,532 --> 01:27:50,574
CHRIS: So it's okay to
enhance your performance
2102
01:27:50,575 --> 01:27:53,160
if you're a pilot,
a porn star,
2103
01:27:53,161 --> 01:27:55,286
a musician
or a student,
2104
01:27:55,287 --> 01:27:57,579
but if your job is to play
professional baseball,
2105
01:27:57,581 --> 01:27:59,415
well, somehow that
makes you a cheater.
2106
01:28:02,585 --> 01:28:04,878
CHRIS: Do you feel it's cheating?
2107
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,381
Not at all.
Oh, no, certainly not.
2108
01:28:07,382 --> 01:28:09,549
MAN: There is no
competition in music.
2109
01:28:09,550 --> 01:28:11,884
You know, this is
completely unlike sports.
2110
01:28:11,885 --> 01:28:14,052
What about
in an audition situation?
2111
01:28:14,054 --> 01:28:16,388
- Is there competition there?
- Yeah, there is.
2112
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:20,725
And, you know, a lot
of people take 'em
2113
01:28:20,727 --> 01:28:23,103
and I don't see that
there's a problem with it.
2114
01:28:23,104 --> 01:28:25,896
Was there any sort of moral
bridge to cross when you did it?
2115
01:28:25,897 --> 01:28:27,190
Well, we're
in the porn business.
2116
01:28:27,191 --> 01:28:29,108
There's not a whole lot
of morals to begin with.
2117
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:32,027
Amphetamines in baseball--
they actually take the same pill
2118
01:28:32,028 --> 01:28:33,779
- As a go-pill.
- Yeah, I've heard that.
2119
01:28:33,780 --> 01:28:36,073
In the clubhouse
they're called greenies.
2120
01:28:36,074 --> 01:28:38,074
And some in the game say
they could be
2121
01:28:38,075 --> 01:28:39,783
more common
than steroids.
2122
01:28:39,785 --> 01:28:41,786
In sports
you should play fair.
2123
01:28:41,787 --> 01:28:45,580
In war you shouldn't
play fair at all.
2124
01:28:45,582 --> 01:28:47,666
PILOT: I've got some men on a road
2125
01:28:47,668 --> 01:28:50,418
And it looks like a piece
of artillery firing at us.
2126
01:28:50,420 --> 01:28:52,671
I am rolling in
in self-defense.
2127
01:28:52,672 --> 01:28:54,131
Shaq!
2128
01:28:54,132 --> 01:28:56,840
CHRIS:
In 2002 over Afghanistan
2129
01:28:56,842 --> 01:28:59,301
two American pilots
on go-pills
2130
01:28:59,303 --> 01:29:01,429
bombed a group
of friendly Canadians.
2131
01:29:01,430 --> 01:29:03,013
PILOT #2: I hope that
was the right thing to do.
2132
01:29:03,015 --> 01:29:04,556
PILOT #1:
ME too.
2133
01:29:04,557 --> 01:29:07,475
REPORTER: Four Canadian
soldiers were killed.
2134
01:29:07,477 --> 01:29:10,353
Doctors say the pilots'
snap judgment to open fire
2135
01:29:10,354 --> 01:29:12,814
Is typical of someone
on speed.
2136
01:29:12,815 --> 01:29:14,982
CHRIS: The pilots were
charged with manslaughter,
2137
01:29:14,983 --> 01:29:16,567
But they blamed
their go-pills
2138
01:29:16,568 --> 01:29:18,569
and the charges
were dropped.
2139
01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:20,361
No other country
in the world
2140
01:29:20,363 --> 01:29:22,489
allows amphetamines
in their Air Force,
2141
01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:24,491
But in America
we require it.
2142
01:29:27,787 --> 01:29:30,663
TUTOR: You know, America
is a very competitive place
2143
01:29:30,664 --> 01:29:33,123
and people will take advantage
of really anything they can
2144
01:29:33,124 --> 01:29:35,125
in order to help
themselves in that struggle.
2145
01:29:35,126 --> 01:29:37,127
I hate to say it, the
amount of beta-blockers
2146
01:29:37,128 --> 01:29:39,462
that they've got me on right
now-- California traffic
2147
01:29:39,463 --> 01:29:41,964
- doesn't bother me anymore.
- Really?
2148
01:29:41,965 --> 01:29:43,674
STUDENT: It's too easy
to get it from a doctor.
2149
01:29:43,675 --> 01:29:45,384
You say, "I can't
focus in class"
2150
01:29:45,385 --> 01:29:47,386
And the doctor prescribes
it automatically.
2151
01:29:47,387 --> 01:29:49,804
And when you got Adderall
you just went to the doctor?
2152
01:29:49,806 --> 01:29:52,849
No, it's just
passed around at school.
2153
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:54,809
- It's passed around at school?
- Passed around at school.
2154
01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:56,727
You turn on your T.V.
2155
01:29:56,729 --> 01:29:59,271
And we push drugs, right?
2156
01:29:59,272 --> 01:30:01,357
If you have a headache--
use this.
2157
01:30:01,358 --> 01:30:03,900
If you have a pain in
your side-- use that.
2158
01:30:03,902 --> 01:30:06,111
If you want to go
to sleep-- use this.
2159
01:30:06,113 --> 01:30:07,613
If you want to wake up--
use that.
2160
01:30:07,614 --> 01:30:10,072
We are the only
country in the world
2161
01:30:10,074 --> 01:30:13,409
that permits
drugs of that kind
2162
01:30:13,411 --> 01:30:16,370
to be advertised
directly to the consumer.
2163
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:18,623
CHRIS: The American
pharmaceutical industry
2164
01:30:18,624 --> 01:30:21,041
spends almost $5 billion
a year on advertising.
2165
01:30:21,042 --> 01:30:25,419
And we in turn spend $250
billion on their drugs.
2166
01:30:25,421 --> 01:30:28,047
That's more than
any other country by far.
2167
01:30:28,048 --> 01:30:30,675
Are we the most unhealthy
people in the world
2168
01:30:30,676 --> 01:30:32,176
Or do we just watch
too much T.V.?
2169
01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:37,181
Everybody's on a drug. So
why because I'm on a drug
2170
01:30:37,182 --> 01:30:39,224
does everybody have to
point a finger at me?
2171
01:30:39,225 --> 01:30:41,434
- Why am I the bad guy?
- 'Cause you're on steroids.
2172
01:30:41,435 --> 01:30:46,063
And steroids are bad.
( laughs )
2173
01:30:46,065 --> 01:30:48,398
( applause )
2174
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:50,317
To help children
make right choices
2175
01:30:50,318 --> 01:30:53,111
they need
good examples.
2176
01:30:53,113 --> 01:30:57,615
Athletics play such an
important role in our society,
2177
01:30:57,616 --> 01:31:00,243
but unfortunately,
some in professional sports
2178
01:31:00,244 --> 01:31:02,369
are not setting
much of an example.
2179
01:31:02,370 --> 01:31:04,830
CHRIS: Long before George
Bush was the President
2180
01:31:04,831 --> 01:31:07,875
he was the owner of the Texas
Rangers, a major league baseball team
2181
01:31:07,876 --> 01:31:11,169
With none other than Jose
Canseco on the roster.
2182
01:31:11,171 --> 01:31:14,213
SENATOR WAXMAN: Do you
think that the team trainers,
2183
01:31:14,214 --> 01:31:17,466
The managers, the general
managers and even the owners
2184
01:31:17,467 --> 01:31:19,593
might have been aware
2185
01:31:19,595 --> 01:31:21,887
that some players
were using steroids?
2186
01:31:21,888 --> 01:31:25,307
No doubt in my mind.
Absolutely.
2187
01:31:25,308 --> 01:31:27,266
CHRIS:
So did the President know
2188
01:31:27,268 --> 01:31:29,644
that his players were
on the juice?
2189
01:31:29,645 --> 01:31:31,937
You've admitted to using
steroids in the past.
2190
01:31:31,938 --> 01:31:34,607
Knowing what you know now
about them,
2191
01:31:34,608 --> 01:31:37,191
- would you have done it?
- Yeah, absolutely.
2192
01:31:37,193 --> 01:31:39,028
The National Football League
has talked more
2193
01:31:39,029 --> 01:31:40,987
about steroid testing
or human growth hormone.
2194
01:31:40,989 --> 01:31:42,405
And I know
back in your day
2195
01:31:42,406 --> 01:31:44,114
you've admitted
that you did that.
2196
01:31:44,116 --> 01:31:46,158
Your stand
on that right now?
2197
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,119
I think it's good
to do doping tests
2198
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,121
and the trick obviously
to find a way
2199
01:31:51,122 --> 01:31:52,664
of really doing
true testing.
2200
01:31:52,665 --> 01:31:55,375
I think that
we have to do something
2201
01:31:55,376 --> 01:31:57,543
about the drug use
in sports.
2202
01:31:57,544 --> 01:32:01,923
And I think it does send the
wrong message to our children.
2203
01:32:01,924 --> 01:32:05,008
CHRIS: So Arnold wants
to crack down on steroids,
2204
01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:07,427
but every year he sponsors
his own bodybuilding show,
2205
01:32:07,428 --> 01:32:09,179
The Arnold Classic.
2206
01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:10,680
And they don't drug-test
at all.
2207
01:32:10,682 --> 01:32:12,849
Isn't it unbelievable, the
shape these guys are in,
2208
01:32:12,850 --> 01:32:14,642
I mean, how ripped they
are, how bid they are,
2209
01:32:14,644 --> 01:32:17,478
how cut they are, their
posing routine and everything?
2210
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:19,897
I'm so proud of them. I tell
you, it is really amazing.
2211
01:32:19,898 --> 01:32:21,773
CHRIS: This year
Governor Schwarzenegger
2212
01:32:21,774 --> 01:32:24,193
handed over the winning
trophy to Victor Martinez,
2213
01:32:24,194 --> 01:32:26,402
a guy who was busted
for selling steroids
2214
01:32:26,404 --> 01:32:27,987
just a couple
of years ago.
2215
01:32:27,988 --> 01:32:29,989
And a few days
before this competition
2216
01:32:29,991 --> 01:32:33,242
he was implicated
in another steroid scandal.
2217
01:32:33,243 --> 01:32:35,160
The bodybuilder
who won a competition
2218
01:32:35,161 --> 01:32:37,746
sponsored by Governor Arnold
Schwarzenegger this past weekend
2219
01:32:37,747 --> 01:32:39,831
has been linked to a
steroid investigation.
2220
01:32:39,832 --> 01:32:42,376
A spokesman for the Governor
says Schwarzenegger did not know
2221
01:32:42,377 --> 01:32:44,627
of Martinez's links
to steroids.
2222
01:32:44,628 --> 01:32:47,505
CHRIS: Come on, Arnold, what
do you mean you didn't know?
2223
01:32:47,506 --> 01:32:49,381
Okay, let's compare.
2224
01:32:49,382 --> 01:32:52,092
Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger
when he was on steroids--
2225
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:55,970
6'2", 235 lbs.
2226
01:32:55,972 --> 01:32:58,055
And here's
Victor Martinez,
2227
01:32:58,056 --> 01:33:01,267
seven inches shorter
and 15 lbs heavier.
2228
01:33:01,269 --> 01:33:03,645
Give him a big hand,
come on, a big hand.
2229
01:33:03,646 --> 01:33:05,562
CHRIS: You know, I've been
calling Arnold's office
2230
01:33:05,563 --> 01:33:07,273
For over a year
to get an interview,
2231
01:33:07,274 --> 01:33:09,358
but his people
keep telling me
2232
01:33:09,359 --> 01:33:11,651
that his position on
steroids is very clear.
2233
01:33:11,652 --> 01:33:13,486
So the only way
to get an answer
2234
01:33:13,487 --> 01:33:15,321
was to track him down
myself
2235
01:33:15,322 --> 01:33:17,198
at a place I knew
he would show up--
2236
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,158
Muscle Beach.
2237
01:33:19,159 --> 01:33:22,202
It was just a few weeks before
the Governor's reelection
2238
01:33:22,204 --> 01:33:25,163
And Arnold went to where he
knew he could depend on support
2239
01:33:25,165 --> 01:33:27,164
to cement
his voting base.
2240
01:33:27,166 --> 01:33:30,252
This was my big chance.
I waited for hours.
2241
01:33:30,253 --> 01:33:32,711
And finally
there he was.
2242
01:33:32,713 --> 01:33:34,755
And there was
this other guy,
2243
01:33:34,756 --> 01:33:37,382
the tall guy, the one
in the middle. He saw me.
2244
01:33:37,383 --> 01:33:40,009
This is how politics
work these days.
2245
01:33:40,011 --> 01:33:42,804
The important thing when making
an appearance is the photo op.
2246
01:33:42,805 --> 01:33:44,889
The tall guy's gonna
nod at me.
2247
01:33:44,890 --> 01:33:46,975
Then he's gonna point
Arnold in my direction.
2248
01:33:46,976 --> 01:33:50,686
Arnold, his instincts honed
by years of being a huge star,
2249
01:33:50,687 --> 01:33:53,564
instantly sizes up
the situation,
2250
01:33:53,565 --> 01:33:55,440
notices
the various cameras
2251
01:33:55,441 --> 01:33:58,151
and decides to use me to
further his reelection bid.
2252
01:33:58,152 --> 01:34:01,779
Look at those arms.
Look at those arms.
2253
01:34:01,781 --> 01:34:04,198
CHRIS: And instead of
talking about steroids
2254
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:05,949
and the cheating
culture of America,
2255
01:34:05,950 --> 01:34:07,951
he compliments me
on my biceps
2256
01:34:07,952 --> 01:34:09,911
and we end up on the
cover of the L.A. "Times."
2257
01:34:09,912 --> 01:34:11,830
There he is.
Oh my God.
2258
01:34:11,831 --> 01:34:13,582
CHRIS:
Not that I mind.
2259
01:34:13,583 --> 01:34:15,708
After all, it was kind
of like a dream come true.
2260
01:34:15,709 --> 01:34:18,085
Son of a bitch.
2261
01:34:18,086 --> 01:34:21,881
CHRIS: But I still have all
these unanswered questions.
2262
01:34:21,882 --> 01:34:23,673
SHELDON: Let me tell
you this, first of all--
2263
01:34:23,675 --> 01:34:27,177
You can't knock Arnold
really, okay?
2264
01:34:27,178 --> 01:34:30,305
Because the steroids didn't get
him into that office that he's in.
2265
01:34:30,306 --> 01:34:32,181
But he basically comes out
and he says,
2266
01:34:32,182 --> 01:34:34,892
"if you work hard
and you play by the rules
2267
01:34:34,893 --> 01:34:37,019
this country is truly
open to you.
2268
01:34:37,021 --> 01:34:39,438
You can achieve anything."
but did he get to where he is
2269
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,565
playing by the rules? Or would
he have ever even been famous
2270
01:34:42,566 --> 01:34:44,401
had he not taken
those drugs?
2271
01:34:44,402 --> 01:34:46,277
Well, let's look at it
this way--
2272
01:34:46,278 --> 01:34:48,404
Let's talk
about other heroes.
2273
01:34:48,406 --> 01:34:51,740
Let's talk about John Kennedy.
He was a hero in the Navy.
2274
01:34:51,741 --> 01:34:54,994
John Kennedy served as the
President of the United States.
2275
01:34:54,995 --> 01:34:58,622
But John Kennedy cheated on his
wife right in the White House
2276
01:34:58,623 --> 01:35:01,917
with Marilyn Monroe and who
knows how many others, okay?
2277
01:35:01,918 --> 01:35:04,210
It's no different
than biblical characters.
2278
01:35:04,211 --> 01:35:07,462
Moses was a hero
but Moses was a heel.
2279
01:35:07,463 --> 01:35:09,256
He didn't get
into the Promised Land.
2280
01:35:09,257 --> 01:35:11,341
He didn't do
what God told him to do.
2281
01:35:11,342 --> 01:35:15,053
David was a hero--
King David was a hero,
2282
01:35:15,054 --> 01:35:17,722
But David was a heel.
He chased every woman
2283
01:35:17,724 --> 01:35:19,682
in a skirt,
or in a toga,
2284
01:35:19,683 --> 01:35:21,183
or whatever they wore
back then.
2285
01:35:21,184 --> 01:35:23,727
Every man is fallible
2286
01:35:23,728 --> 01:35:25,854
and even the people
2287
01:35:25,855 --> 01:35:28,064
who were
the prime examples
2288
01:35:28,065 --> 01:35:30,066
of how to run your life
in the bible
2289
01:35:30,067 --> 01:35:32,902
screwed up.
They all screwed up.
2290
01:35:32,903 --> 01:35:35,363
So people need
to get off their
2291
01:35:35,364 --> 01:35:38,449
self-righteous
soapboxes
2292
01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:40,284
and start loving
each other.
2293
01:35:40,285 --> 01:35:42,661
We just need to go out
there and do our jobs,
2294
01:35:42,662 --> 01:35:46,080
just as you professionals
do your job.
2295
01:35:46,082 --> 01:35:48,624
All of you guys lied.
2296
01:35:48,625 --> 01:35:50,626
All of y'all
2297
01:35:50,628 --> 01:35:52,754
in a story or whatever
have lied.
2298
01:35:52,755 --> 01:35:55,547
Should you have an asterisk
behind your name?
2299
01:35:55,548 --> 01:35:57,549
All of you have lied.
2300
01:35:57,550 --> 01:35:59,550
All of you have said
something wrong.
2301
01:35:59,552 --> 01:36:02,470
All of you have dirt,
all of you.
2302
01:36:02,471 --> 01:36:04,472
When your
closet's clean
2303
01:36:04,473 --> 01:36:06,473
then come clean
somebody else's.
2304
01:36:06,475 --> 01:36:08,851
But clean yours first.
2305
01:36:08,852 --> 01:36:10,894
CHRIS:
Hi. How are you?
2306
01:36:10,895 --> 01:36:12,438
The last name is Bell,
B-E-L-L.
2307
01:36:15,066 --> 01:36:17,650
SCHWARZENEGGER: I took
the oath to serve you.
2308
01:36:17,651 --> 01:36:22,070
I say to everyone here today
and to all Californians,
2309
01:36:22,072 --> 01:36:24,365
I will not forget
my oath
2310
01:36:24,366 --> 01:36:26,241
And I will not
forget you.
2311
01:36:26,242 --> 01:36:27,701
( applause and cheering )
2312
01:36:31,163 --> 01:36:33,832
CHRIS: A few months
after I voted for Arnold
2313
01:36:33,833 --> 01:36:35,875
his people told
Gold's Gym
2314
01:36:35,876 --> 01:36:37,460
to remove
all of his images.
2315
01:36:46,886 --> 01:36:49,470
What is the meaning
of this?
2316
01:36:49,471 --> 01:36:52,056
It's a dark day
in Gold's Gym.
2317
01:36:52,057 --> 01:36:54,392
They're taking down
Arnold's poster.
2318
01:36:54,393 --> 01:36:56,643
Do you have a lot of respect for
Arnold? Is he one of your heroes?
2319
01:36:56,644 --> 01:36:59,187
Well, he was until
he took his shit down.
2320
01:36:59,189 --> 01:37:00,689
You know, that guy's
a traitor, man.
2321
01:37:06,069 --> 01:37:08,279
CHRIS: The gym feels different now.
2322
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,280
The old Arnold's gone
2323
01:37:10,281 --> 01:37:12,282
and somehow this time
2324
01:37:12,284 --> 01:37:14,033
I don't think
he'll be back.
2325
01:37:17,579 --> 01:37:20,331
So you're excited to be out
here instead of in Poughkeepsie?
2326
01:37:20,333 --> 01:37:22,124
Hell yeah, man.
I got a job making
2327
01:37:22,125 --> 01:37:23,917
three times as much money and
my rent's just about the same
2328
01:37:23,919 --> 01:37:25,627
and I'm right by the beach
and I got a convertible.
2329
01:37:25,628 --> 01:37:28,338
Right here next to
the mirror, honey.
2330
01:37:28,339 --> 01:37:29,630
MIKE: Put a little
muscle in it.
2331
01:37:29,632 --> 01:37:32,466
- CHRIS: Here you go.
- Higher.
2332
01:37:32,468 --> 01:37:35,136
So what do you plan on doing here
that you weren't doing in Poughkeepsie?
2333
01:37:35,137 --> 01:37:37,471
Jeez, like having fun with
life instead of hating life.
2334
01:37:37,472 --> 01:37:40,640
Think it'll help you with
your problems and stuff?
2335
01:37:40,642 --> 01:37:42,518
Absolutely.
I feel better already.
2336
01:37:42,519 --> 01:37:44,519
CHRIS: Now that Mad
Dog's in California,
2337
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,438
Things seem to be going
pretty good for him.
2338
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:50,233
He got a job working as a trainer
at a local wrestling school.
2339
01:37:50,234 --> 01:37:52,234
Got you! Now if I
want to take it here--
2340
01:37:52,235 --> 01:37:53,986
Keep your face up,
keep your face up.
2341
01:37:53,988 --> 01:37:56,405
CHRIS: He'd actually
make a great teacher,
2342
01:37:56,406 --> 01:37:58,324
but that's not good
enough for Mad Dog.
2343
01:37:58,325 --> 01:38:00,783
He still wants
to be a superstar.
2344
01:38:00,785 --> 01:38:03,995
MIKE: So this Sunday night, pay
per view, Madison Square Garden!
2345
01:38:03,997 --> 01:38:06,831
Hell's Henrys will toll
for you.
2346
01:38:09,417 --> 01:38:13,128
Just not--
I'm sick, though, dude.
2347
01:38:13,129 --> 01:38:15,672
CHRIS: Mad Dog sent
his promo to the W.W.E.,
2348
01:38:15,673 --> 01:38:18,383
but they rejected him
again.
2349
01:38:18,384 --> 01:38:20,510
They said
he's too old
2350
01:38:20,511 --> 01:38:22,595
and not what they're
looking for right now.
2351
01:38:22,596 --> 01:38:25,056
MIKE: You know, I want to
believe that the world is good,
2352
01:38:25,057 --> 01:38:28,225
but it's not.
And I want to try hard,
2353
01:38:28,226 --> 01:38:29,851
but why try
when you can't win?
2354
01:38:29,853 --> 01:38:31,936
Those who can't do,
train.
2355
01:38:31,937 --> 01:38:34,647
It's just I never
understood why I didn't,
2356
01:38:34,648 --> 01:38:36,566
you know?
2357
01:38:36,567 --> 01:38:39,402
What's the problem with
just being a normal guy?
2358
01:38:39,403 --> 01:38:41,070
What's wrong with
just being normal?
2359
01:38:41,071 --> 01:38:43,196
There's nothing wrong
with it.
2360
01:38:43,197 --> 01:38:45,198
Well, actually, there is
something wrong with it.
2361
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,992
the thing that's
wrong with it is
2362
01:38:46,993 --> 01:38:49,077
that I was born to attain
greatness and I'm the only one
2363
01:38:49,078 --> 01:38:52,204
that's holding myself back. And I need
to attain greatness. I need to do it.
2364
01:38:52,205 --> 01:38:54,665
You live down by the beach,
you have a beautiful wife,
2365
01:38:54,666 --> 01:38:56,333
and nothing's ever
good enough.
2366
01:38:56,335 --> 01:38:59,002
I can only imagine
how she feels.
2367
01:38:59,003 --> 01:39:01,963
And do you ever think,
2368
01:39:01,964 --> 01:39:05,049
"why am I dragging
somebody else in this?"
2369
01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:08,468
I know that a lot of times
she's crying herself to sleep.
2370
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:12,264
And I know that
sometimes she doesn't glow
2371
01:39:12,265 --> 01:39:14,599
the way that she did
when I first met her.
2372
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,019
And I know
it's my fault.
2373
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:18,853
And it really
tears me up.
2374
01:39:18,855 --> 01:39:20,521
Yeah.
Well, I mean,
2375
01:39:20,522 --> 01:39:22,564
I worry every day
that--
2376
01:39:22,566 --> 01:39:24,817
What I worry about is
you're gonna lose your job,
2377
01:39:24,818 --> 01:39:27,820
You're gonna lose your wife and
then you're gonna lose yourself.
2378
01:39:27,821 --> 01:39:29,780
If I lose my job and my
wife, what else do I have?
2379
01:39:32,742 --> 01:39:34,868
I just feel
2380
01:39:34,869 --> 01:39:37,370
that I have more
to offer this world.
2381
01:39:37,371 --> 01:39:40,414
And I don't know
exactly what it is
2382
01:39:40,415 --> 01:39:42,750
or how I'm gonna
go about doing it.
2383
01:39:42,466 --> 01:39:45,091
I know there's
something in here
2384
01:39:45,093 --> 01:39:47,843
That's meant for the
rest of the world to know.
2385
01:39:52,807 --> 01:39:56,183
When you were kids
2386
01:39:56,184 --> 01:39:58,309
you all admired
2387
01:39:58,310 --> 01:40:00,686
the champion marble shooter,
the fastest runner,
2388
01:40:00,687 --> 01:40:04,813
big league ballplayers,
the toughest boxers.
2389
01:40:04,814 --> 01:40:07,607
Americans love a winner
2390
01:40:07,609 --> 01:40:09,651
and will not tolerate
a loser.
2391
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:20,950
CHRIS:
Smelly is now competing
2392
01:40:20,951 --> 01:40:23,077
against the best guys
in the world
2393
01:40:23,078 --> 01:40:25,245
and he hopes to achieve
his childhood dream
2394
01:40:25,246 --> 01:40:27,122
of bench-pressing
700 lbs.
2395
01:40:27,123 --> 01:40:29,581
But he and his wife
agreed
2396
01:40:29,582 --> 01:40:33,167
that this would be his
last meet on steroids.
2397
01:40:33,169 --> 01:40:35,919
I knew that she didn't
really care for it,
2398
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,004
but i didn't know
it hurt her that much.
2399
01:40:38,005 --> 01:40:40,881
And I didn't know she
worried that much about it.
2400
01:40:40,883 --> 01:40:43,258
It's definitely something
that's not gonna be easy to do.
2401
01:40:43,259 --> 01:40:45,551
I don't necessarily want
to do it, but, you know,
2402
01:40:45,553 --> 01:40:47,427
if I just stay on it
and ignore her,
2403
01:40:47,428 --> 01:40:49,012
that's just
being selfish.
2404
01:40:49,013 --> 01:40:51,263
He's trying to have
another kid, so he decided
2405
01:40:51,265 --> 01:40:53,265
that this is gonna be
his last meet
2406
01:40:53,267 --> 01:40:55,391
that he ever
takes anything.
2407
01:40:55,392 --> 01:40:58,351
How do you think that'll
affect his lifting?
2408
01:40:58,353 --> 01:41:00,437
It'll affect it somewhat,
2409
01:41:00,438 --> 01:41:03,064
but once he tapers off
and has the child
2410
01:41:03,065 --> 01:41:04,898
he can go
right back on them.
2411
01:41:04,899 --> 01:41:07,150
But he doesn't want to go back
on them. His wife doesn't want him
2412
01:41:07,151 --> 01:41:08,901
to be on it at all
ever again.
2413
01:41:12,237 --> 01:41:14,238
The death of Smelly.
2414
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,240
You think so?
2415
01:41:16,241 --> 01:41:17,991
Smelly will go back on.
2416
01:41:17,992 --> 01:41:20,451
So you'll never
take it again?
2417
01:41:20,452 --> 01:41:22,243
- I'll never take 'em again?
- Yeah.
2418
01:41:22,244 --> 01:41:23,953
No, I probably will
take 'em again
2419
01:41:23,954 --> 01:41:26,413
- because this is something--
- How?
2420
01:41:26,414 --> 01:41:28,665
Well, I'll figure out
a way.
2421
01:41:28,666 --> 01:41:31,167
I mean, that's something I'll
have to talk out with Andee,
2422
01:41:31,168 --> 01:41:33,001
but this is something
I've been--
2423
01:41:33,002 --> 01:41:35,544
I've been involved in power
lifting since I was 12 years old.
2424
01:41:35,545 --> 01:41:37,462
This is part of
what I like to do.
2425
01:41:37,464 --> 01:41:40,007
And I'm not gonna go
2426
01:41:40,008 --> 01:41:42,257
from squatting 800 lbs
to squatting 700 lbs.
2427
01:41:42,259 --> 01:41:44,593
I'm gonna want to get
back on 'em for sure.
2428
01:41:44,594 --> 01:41:46,928
Which is kind of sad
'cause--
2429
01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:49,054
Well, you know, a lot of
people have to lie to get ahead.
2430
01:41:49,055 --> 01:41:52,473
That's just kind of
the way things work.
2431
01:41:52,474 --> 01:41:55,225
Well, we weren't
brought up as cheaters.
2432
01:41:57,437 --> 01:41:59,603
Well, I mean,
people aren't brought up
2433
01:41:59,605 --> 01:42:02,398
to rob a bank either. You're
not really trained to rob a bank
2434
01:42:02,399 --> 01:42:04,857
or you're not really
trained to do drugs
2435
01:42:04,858 --> 01:42:06,900
or taught to do drugs
or anything like that,
2436
01:42:06,901 --> 01:42:08,568
but just, you know, it's
kind of the way you end up.
2437
01:42:11,446 --> 01:42:12,946
Yeah!
Come on!
2438
01:42:12,947 --> 01:42:15,281
- MAN: Let's go, mark!
- MAN #2: Go mark!
2439
01:42:15,283 --> 01:42:17,325
- ( all cheering )
- MAN: Let's go, Mark. Come on!
2440
01:42:17,326 --> 01:42:19,493
- Come on!
- Go Mark!
2441
01:42:19,494 --> 01:42:21,994
( people continue cheering )
2442
01:42:21,996 --> 01:42:24,246
Go Mark!
Let's go, Mark!
2443
01:42:24,247 --> 01:42:26,789
Come on,
you got this.
2444
01:42:26,791 --> 01:42:29,041
Come on, you got it!
Let's go, come on!
2445
01:42:29,042 --> 01:42:30,917
( all cheering )
2446
01:42:36,380 --> 01:42:38,047
- Yeah! Yeah!
- Yes! Yes!
2447
01:42:38,048 --> 01:42:40,883
( cheering )
2448
01:42:44,428 --> 01:42:46,512
CHRIS: My baby
brother is on steroids
2449
01:42:46,513 --> 01:42:48,680
and we all know it.
2450
01:42:48,682 --> 01:42:51,641
But look at us. My dad looks
like he won the lottery.
2451
01:42:51,642 --> 01:42:54,851
And my mom's prayers
have been answered.
2452
01:42:54,852 --> 01:42:57,770
I was raised to believe
that cheaters never prosper,
2453
01:42:57,771 --> 01:43:01,064
but in America it seems
like cheaters always prosper.
2454
01:43:03,567 --> 01:43:07,651
The use of performance-enhancing
drugs like steroids
2455
01:43:07,652 --> 01:43:10,486
is dangerous and it
sends the wrong message
2456
01:43:10,488 --> 01:43:13,905
that there are shortcuts
to accomplishment
2457
01:43:13,907 --> 01:43:17,742
And that performance is more
important than character.
2458
01:43:17,743 --> 01:43:19,869
CHRIS: There is a clash in America
2459
01:43:19,870 --> 01:43:22,329
Between doing the right
thing and being the best.
2460
01:43:22,331 --> 01:43:24,747
Americans play to win
all the time
2461
01:43:24,749 --> 01:43:27,458
because the very
thought of losing
2462
01:43:27,459 --> 01:43:30,042
is hateful
to Americans.
2463
01:43:30,043 --> 01:43:33,670
COMMENTATOR:
It is out of here!
2464
01:43:33,671 --> 01:43:37,590
756!
2465
01:43:37,591 --> 01:43:39,715
Bonds stands alone!
2466
01:43:39,717 --> 01:43:41,676
CHRIS: In a culture
where second place
2467
01:43:41,677 --> 01:43:44,010
Is the first loser,
2468
01:43:44,012 --> 01:43:47,472
the real heroes are the
ones who win at all costs.
2469
01:43:47,473 --> 01:43:50,015
Everything I have--
my career,
2470
01:43:50,016 --> 01:43:52,392
my success,
my family--
2471
01:43:52,393 --> 01:43:54,226
I owe to America.
2472
01:43:57,771 --> 01:43:59,813
CHRIS:
This is America.
2473
01:43:59,815 --> 01:44:02,690
We're the greatest
country in the world.
2474
01:44:02,691 --> 01:44:05,693
You could call us
a nation on steroids.
2475
01:44:05,694 --> 01:44:08,361
But what are those
long-term side effects?
2476
01:44:08,362 --> 01:44:10,363
For me
and my brothers
2477
01:44:10,364 --> 01:44:13,198
steroids are not
the problem.
2478
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,408
They're just another
side effect
2479
01:44:15,409 --> 01:44:17,035
of being American.
2480
01:44:20,496 --> 01:44:24,998
# oh, superman,
where are you now? #
2481
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,167
# when everything's
gone wrong somehow #
2482
01:44:29,169 --> 01:44:33,171
# the men of steel,
these men of power #
2483
01:44:33,172 --> 01:44:36,715
# are losing control
by the hour #
2484
01:44:36,716 --> 01:44:38,883
# and this is the time #
2485
01:44:38,884 --> 01:44:40,926
# this is the place #
2486
01:44:40,928 --> 01:44:43,928
# so we look
to the future #
2487
01:44:43,929 --> 01:44:47,931
# but there's not much left
to go around #
2488
01:44:47,932 --> 01:44:51,726
# tell me why this is
a land of confusion #
2489
01:44:51,727 --> 01:44:54,561
# ha ha ha ha #
2490
01:44:54,562 --> 01:44:58,981
# this is the world
we live in #
2491
01:44:58,982 --> 01:45:02,650
# and these are
the hands we're given #
2492
01:45:02,651 --> 01:45:06,861
# use them
and let's start trying #
2493
01:45:06,862 --> 01:45:08,237
# to make it #
2494
01:45:08,238 --> 01:45:10,321
# a place worth living #
2495
01:45:10,323 --> 01:45:11,990
# yeah #
2496
01:45:17,287 --> 01:45:19,411
# I remember long ago #
2497
01:45:21,789 --> 01:45:24,374
# where the sun was shining #
2498
01:45:26,418 --> 01:45:27,625
# and all the stars #
2499
01:45:27,626 --> 01:45:29,293
# were bright #
2500
01:45:29,295 --> 01:45:31,003
# all through the night #
2501
01:45:31,004 --> 01:45:33,713
# in the wake of this madness #
2502
01:45:33,715 --> 01:45:35,715
# as I held you tight #
2503
01:45:38,468 --> 01:45:40,635
# so long ago #
2504
01:45:51,686 --> 01:45:53,936
# there's too many men #
2505
01:45:53,937 --> 01:45:55,687
# too many people #
2506
01:45:55,688 --> 01:45:58,731
# making too many problems #
2507
01:45:58,732 --> 01:46:00,815
# and there's not much left #
2508
01:46:00,817 --> 01:46:02,942
# to go around #
2509
01:46:02,944 --> 01:46:04,568
# can't you see this is #
2510
01:46:04,569 --> 01:46:07,112
# a land of confusion? #
2511
01:46:07,114 --> 01:46:09,364
# ha ha ha ha #
2512
01:46:09,365 --> 01:46:10,865
# now this is #
2513
01:46:10,866 --> 01:46:13,908
# the world we live in #
2514
01:46:13,909 --> 01:46:15,201
# and these are #
2515
01:46:15,203 --> 01:46:17,869
# the hands we're given #
2516
01:46:17,871 --> 01:46:19,371
# stand up #
2517
01:46:19,373 --> 01:46:22,414
# and let's start showing #
2518
01:46:22,415 --> 01:46:25,125
# just where our lives
are going to #
2519
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,087
# ha ha ha ha. #
2520
01:46:30,088 --> 01:46:31,088
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