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Hello, I'm John Waters, and we're here

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to watch <i>Mommie Dearest,</i>
a movie that I believe

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has actually gotten a bad reputation.

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I don't think this is a campy movie.

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I don't think it's so bad, it's good.
I think it's so good, it's perfect,

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except for a few peculiar lines

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that do go a little over-the-top,

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which we'll be happy to point out.
I think this film is very well made.

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True, it's a female
female impersonator role.

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It's the first drag queen role
played by a woman.

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But I'm amazed that Faye Dunaway
is against this film.

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Supposedly you can't even
talk to her about it.

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I think she's great in this movie.
Who could have ever been better?

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Frank Perry, once Frank Rich,

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<i>The New York Times</i> film critic
at the time,

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tried to insult me by saying,

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"John Waters
is no underground Russ Meyer,

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he's the underground Frank Perry,"
which I never quite understood.

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I like Frank Perry.
A lot of his movies.

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I never understood why...
That insult didn't work on me.

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This is a great beginning,
plunging your face in ice.

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Kathleen Turner used to do this
on the set of my movie.

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All movie stars do this.

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I've done it. It works.

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It's an instant cheap facelift.

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What would they rather have?

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Young, bratty kid stars today
who come in drunk

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with pillow marks on their face
and don't even care?

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Joan here is just being, doing her job,

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being a real movie star and preparing
for the day on the set.

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She was a little worried about germs.

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I never understood that.
I always see men,

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when I drive to New York,
always in the roadside areas,

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after they use the men's room,
they scrub their hands for hours

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and I wonder, "Didn't you
take a shower this morning?"

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I don't know why
they get so crazy about it.

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It's like they're doing
open heart surgery.

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Joan suffers
from that syndrome herself here.

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Youth.

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I don't think Kathleen Turner
did the hot water.

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She just did the cold.

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She was more sensible.

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Howard Hughes did this.
A lot of them had this germ phobia.

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This is great. The scene
where her hair gets wet here

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is really beautiful.

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Oh, maybe that's another scene.

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Imelda Marcos,
you have nothing on Miss Crawford.

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Wish I had that closet.

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It's a great reveal here of her face.

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When you finally see it,
you don't wonder why the ad said,

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"Faye Dunaway is Joan Crawford."

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See, it's 5:00 in the morning.

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People don't realize
how hard movie stars work.

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Today they only have a teamster driving

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and not a handsome chauffeur.

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It's much different.

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Christina Crawford, who actually
started a genre with this.

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Many people write mean books
about their parents now.

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Preparing.

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We still haven't seen her face.

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I wonder if it was a double
through all this.

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Always at work, thinking of the fans,

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something movie stars never do anymore.

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Now they tell you,
never send a fan letter,

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answer a fan letter
or stalkers will be in your house.

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I guess they didn't have stalkers then.

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Still no face.

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We're getting there.

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Those eyebrows,
that's what we have to see.

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Then we know it's really Joan.

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Those eyebrows that looked like
they were put on with stencils.

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You see, when the...
When the buses went by for Joan,

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she actually liked that
the fans were out front.

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Today, they build walls
so the fans can never see in.

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She just took it seriously.

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Here's her germ freak thing again.

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It was from being poor,
getting too much money too quickly.

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Her long suffering staff.

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Faye looks great here.

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Wasn't it Quentin Crisp who said,

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"Why does anyone clean?
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it doesn't get any dirtier."

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Look at that portrait.

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A living room
that no one's ever sat in.

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Up.

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Spying for dirt.

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Everyone knows that, Helga.

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You will be sorrier.

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It's true, a woman's work
is never done.

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Put down the mop and pick up the gun.

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Remember that feminist slogan
in the '60s?

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There's a famous line.

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"I'm not mad at you,
I'm mad at the dirt."

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I went to Pia Zadora's house once
and had to take my shoes off.

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I think it's a thing
a lot of people have

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when they have new floors.

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Hit your mark, Joan.

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Well, there was a directorial decision.

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Joan Crawford--
All movie stars love a staircase,

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You know, they have that
in every movie.

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This is the shot where her hair
gets wet. I love this shot.

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Because you think how many times
did they have to shoot it

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and then get her hair dry again
and set it and start over.

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The reset would be a nightmare
on this shot.

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Here it is.

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So early in the picture, a sex scene.

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Great cut there
right to an orphanage photo op.

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Children as accessories.
Something that's still very big today.

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You get a Chihuahua or a child.

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Christina was lucky.

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Every time she complained,
she should think what those nuns

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would have been like in the orphanage.

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At least she got presents.

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She looks great, though.

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I mean, well, the eyebrows
aren't quite as heavy at the beach.

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I guess you lay
a little lower on the stencils.

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It's just so amazing
that she doesn't like this role,

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and won't let you talk about.

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Look, a man who wears an ascot.

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That's something you don't find
much these days.

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I wore an ascot in seventh grade
and got beat up.

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It's like being a gay parent,
it's hard to get one.

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Gay people today
have more children than Catholics.

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And they wouldn't give them
to movie stars.

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Now they give them to gay couples.
Just, time changes.

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I'm surprised she can walk
on the beach, it's kind of dirty.

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Sand is dirt, isn't it?

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Nothing's changed, Faye.

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I like this here.

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So?

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I'll strangle you.

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Hit her.

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They're still saying
that kind of stuff.

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Moral and legal, always a problem.

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Advantaged.

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You know, they have karaoke
you can do for movies now,

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where they got a scene, they get
a subtitle print and they play it.

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And then you can do the dialogue
along with the characters.

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This would be a great movie for that.

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Her painting looks like
a Walter Keane painting.

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I love this baby.

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You almost really expect it to scream.

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That's a lot, Joan.

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That hairdo for the adoption agency?

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Wouldn't be great
if the baby just screamed

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like it had seen Dracula?

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See, Joan did mean well.

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It just-- She just tried
as hard as she could.

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Not everyone-- It's hard to be
a good parent, rich or poor.

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With or without eyebrows.

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I wonder,
did Christina like this movie.

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I can't remember
if she actually liked it.

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"Stairway to Heaven."

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You see, there's no better kind
of movie than this kind of movie,

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if you're home on a Saturday afternoon.

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With a slight hangover.

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The bedroom looks all right, though.

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I don't think it's so over-the-top
for Hollywood.

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My God.

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And it's blue. Aren't little girls'
rooms supposed to be pink?

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So she was nontraditional that way.

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She wasn't a sexist mother.

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She was a single mother,
ahead of her time, really.

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That baby is pretty good.
It hasn't screamed yet.

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It looks right at her. Usually babies

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always look off set at their trainer,
their mother.

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That's great.

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Now, this party, I've been to a party
like this, actually.

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Pia Zadora and her husband, Riklis,
had a party exactly like this for me

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when <i>Hairspray</i> came out--
not for children.

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But this big a party
and it really reminded me

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of this when when I saw the shot.

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And I have been to parties like this
for kids in Beverly Hills.

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You know, I don't know
what she's complaining about.

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I mean,
I think it's a pretty nice party.

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It might be a little over-the-top,

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but it's not like they were
beating her with a car aerial.

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That's a scary shot.

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I never saw an interview
with this child star.

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I wonder if it scarred her
making this movie.

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Because she's good in it, I think.

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See even the housekeepers
have gotten more glamorous.

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That outfit is very Rebecca
of <i>Sunnybrook Farm.</i>

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Or Glinda the Good Witch
also is reminiscent.

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Why does she have soldiers there?

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Are there photo ops also, I guess...

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That little harness,
so he doesn't go too far.

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I still see mothers with them
in airports

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and people give them
dirty looks all the time.

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Presents. She had a real thing
about presents.

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Nothing like having a private moment
for her children

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to invite the entire press corps
to your children's birthday party

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and turn it in to a press conference.

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Dirt.

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Skid marks, actually, it looked like.

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Look at Faye,
she's really channeling her.

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I mean, I don't get
why she didn't get an Oscar for this.

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Look, having to pose.

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There's nothing the matter with that.

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So the kid got her picture taken.

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Think the orphanage would have
been nicer? It wouldn't have.

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You wouldn't have gotten anything.

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Now, there's some pink.

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Yeah, well, you can't keep it.

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Thank you notes. That's important.

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Now people teach their children
to email

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thank you notes,
which is not acceptable.

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Joan is such a liberal.

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When I first saw this movie.

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Certainly I paid to see it.

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The day it opened in New York,
I saw it.

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And I remember being
certainly not disappointed.

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Later, when the executives tried

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to turn it into a cult movie
when it failed at the box office

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and they would hire drag queens
to go, and give them coat hangers.

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But it was too set up.

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It didn't happen by itself,
so it never worked.

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It could have
if they had left it alone.

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But they tried to push it so much
that it never really worked.

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I think the drag queens
felt manipulated.

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And there are a few lines in here
that do go over-the-top

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that give it this film's undeserved
reputation, I think,

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and we will come to them.

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When I saw it in New York,
there were certainly some laughing.

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But in scenes that, you know-- I'm not
so sure you weren't supposed to laugh

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at some of this. I mean, it--

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Even in the book you laugh.

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Well, this whole thing
about making her swim.

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My mother did this to my sister,

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she made her dive
over and over and over.

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I think it was a thing of the times

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that teaching swimming
was very, very important.

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And you never quit.

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And you just kept doing it
till you could do it right.

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I remember this exact
same scene in my family.

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I never met Joan Crawford.
I do-- have met Faye Dunaway.

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And I like her. I've met her in the--

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I know she worked
with Johnny Depp and I...

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I went to see her
in her Master Class play backstage,

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and I like Faye and I've never brought
this movie up to her

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because I am afraid to.

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But I don't get it, I mean,
she's so good in it.

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She really made the part her own.

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I mean this film isn't--
Still, I believe,

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shown on television and video
and DVD really heavily.

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I don't remember when it came out,
if it was a financial flop or not.

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The critics were mean to it,
but I don't know why, really.

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It was just like the book.

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To me, it completely
was as over-the-top as the book was,

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and the book created a whole genre,

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then everybody's ungrateful children
wrote books afterwards.

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And I think all movie stars today
fear that their children will write

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a <i>Mommie Dearest</i> book about them.

254
00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:46,115
So it certainly started
a genre of its own.

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However, no movies were made
when Bette Davis's daughter

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wrote a mean book about her mother.

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They never made a movie out of it.

258
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So I guess this may have
killed the genre

259
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of the ungrateful child movie star
bio pic.

260
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I understand what she means.
I felt like that.

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Everyone in show business
has felt like that.

262
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She's a driven woman.

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If it was easy to be a movie star,
everybody would be one,

264
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:22,067
because who doesn't want to be one?

265
00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:42,046
Isn't it that Joan Crawford supposedly
always wore "fuck me" pumps?

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That was an expression
that I think was known from her time.

267
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They're heavily featured
in this movie, if you notice.

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The shoe budget was high.

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This is great.

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Joan was humor impaired.
I think that was the problem.

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She really took
everything too seriously.

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If you believe the book...

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Which I'm-- I'm sure I believe
much of it was true.

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But everybody in a way
could write a book

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about things about their mother
that got on their nerves.

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She gave her more than most mothers

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and made her pay for it
more than most mothers.

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She should have known
that marriage wouldn't work out.

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Any man that ties a sweater
around his neck in the day

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is not a good candidate for marriage.

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I wonder it Faye's at home and she's...

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She's channel surfing
and this comes up.

283
00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:14,805
Does she turn it off or does she watch?

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"Missy." That's a great one.

285
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:40,497
Mothers always said that in the '50s.

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They always said that.

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"Look, Missy..."
That meant you're in trouble.

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Oh, you wanna bet?

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She really hitting her.

290
00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:03,187
This is like Divine and Taffy
in <i>Female Trouble.</i>

291
00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:05,689
"Want another whipping
with that car aerial?"

292
00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:19,953
Oh, those were...

293
00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:23,749
I believe this happens.
I see this today.

294
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,293
Maybe not in a car
that's quite as grand,

295
00:26:26,376 --> 00:26:29,213
but I've seen movie stars
jogging with bodyguards.

296
00:26:29,296 --> 00:26:30,339
What's the difference?

297
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She's taking her job seriously.

298
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See? She's right.

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00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,851
I remember
Melanie Griffith once said...

300
00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:46,271
She said, "I've been on a diet
my entire life."

301
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:48,482
Similar.

302
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,078
Show business can be destructive.

303
00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:03,122
I don't think it's so different today.

304
00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:05,791
I think people become driven,
obsessed by it.

305
00:27:05,874 --> 00:27:08,001
You have to work out, certainly,

306
00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:09,962
so you have some private life,

307
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:12,339
which she never seemed
quite to be able to do.

308
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:13,966
But she had a long career.

309
00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:15,467
She had to reinvent herself.

310
00:27:16,844 --> 00:27:18,637
I think all movie stars
have to do that.

311
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This doesn't come naturally,

312
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especially for a woman.

313
00:27:22,391 --> 00:27:24,226
Especially today,
it's even worse, certainly.

314
00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:27,646
Joan Crawford got parts
when she was over 40.

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00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:29,314
Today, they say,

316
00:27:29,398 --> 00:27:30,774
there is no female star,

317
00:27:30,858 --> 00:27:33,402
except Julia Roberts really,
that can open a movie.

318
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:38,782
And Joan, at least,
would go promote the movie.

319
00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:41,618
She would go to the last theater
to play in the country.

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00:27:41,702 --> 00:27:43,495
She would appear out front
if they asked her.

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00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:45,664
Which today,
you're lucky if any of the stars

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00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:48,083
will even do a one-day junket.

323
00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,072
She's good here. Watch.

324
00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:40,469
I've acted like that

325
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,095
when they green-lit one of my movies.

326
00:28:42,179 --> 00:28:43,347
I know what she means.

327
00:28:44,514 --> 00:28:46,767
Every time they green-lit a movie,
I'd do this.

328
00:28:48,018 --> 00:28:50,479
Everyone in show business does this.
It's not...

329
00:28:51,271 --> 00:28:55,025
until... Looks like
a Mike Kelley installation piece.

330
00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:58,362
This is like Channing in <i>Pink Flamingos</i>

331
00:28:58,904 --> 00:29:01,615
when Divine catches Connie Marble
played by Mink Stole

332
00:29:01,698 --> 00:29:03,367
dressed as Divine.

333
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:05,035
This is exactly like that scene.

334
00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:16,838
And all kids pretend
they're their parents.

335
00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:18,590
I mean, I don't know
if you saw <i>Tarnation,</i>

336
00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:20,384
that great movie that's out now

337
00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:23,679
where the kid
has all the videotapes of him

338
00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:25,639
in a pathological stage

339
00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:27,766
playing his insane mother.
It's similar.

340
00:29:37,651 --> 00:29:39,278
That little girl's--
You feel, you know--

341
00:29:39,361 --> 00:29:40,696
She's good too, I think.

342
00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:49,246
You see, Joan couldn't handle things
she couldn't understand.

343
00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:50,747
It made her go insane.

344
00:29:50,831 --> 00:29:51,873
I mean, this is a normal thing.

345
00:29:51,957 --> 00:29:53,792
This is where
she really overreacts here.

346
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:56,253
Because I think most all parents

347
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,380
have found their kids
pretending they're them.

348
00:30:01,717 --> 00:30:04,219
She's lucky it wasn't
little Christopher in her outfit.

349
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:09,933
Or this.

350
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:13,353
I heard of another star that
actually did this to her makeup girl

351
00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:14,771
when she didn't like something,
one day.

352
00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:15,856
I won't name her.

353
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:24,990
Do you think they really
are cutting her hair?

354
00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,420
That's, I guess, a wig, but...

355
00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:45,761
I know somebody else that had long hair

356
00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:48,847
and somebody walked behind 'em
just chopped off their ponytail once.

357
00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,807
It's really a very aggressive,

358
00:30:50,891 --> 00:30:52,726
mean thing to do to someone.

359
00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:56,229
Look at the little girl.

360
00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:59,274
I'd be scared if I was her.

361
00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:00,817
This is not method acting.

362
00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:05,906
That's a good line.

363
00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:09,117
"I'd rather you go bald to school
than look like a tramp."

364
00:31:21,838 --> 00:31:23,590
It's one big master shot, too.

365
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:30,180
It's very Joan Crawford.

366
00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:31,390
She looks exactly like her.

367
00:31:31,473 --> 00:31:33,058
It looks like a Joan Crawford movie.

368
00:31:33,141 --> 00:31:34,684
It looks like a William Castle movie.

369
00:31:34,768 --> 00:31:36,103
That's the problem.

370
00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:59,376
In this one,
she's the happiest right here.

371
00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:02,754
Just surrounded by fans and flashbulbs

372
00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:05,048
and the complete unreal world of

373
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:09,177
the public glare, of publicity.

374
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:13,807
Somewhere she would have preferred
to have lived her entire existence.

375
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,782
I just wish that
there was clubs like this still.

376
00:32:45,005 --> 00:32:47,299
This is no different
than what you have to do today.

377
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:51,136
Whoever is paying for your film,

378
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:53,013
or is green-lighting,

379
00:32:53,096 --> 00:32:56,057
and whoever is the agent,
the big agents of the actresses,

380
00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:57,350
you have to do this kind of thing.

381
00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:34,262
Well, he has a point.

382
00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:35,680
He's giving her a big paycheck.

383
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:37,349
You got to sing for your supper a lot.

384
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:38,433
It happens.

385
00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:58,245
That's a dirty look.

386
00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:29,025
People always in movies
throw drinks in people's faces.

387
00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:31,319
I rarely see that in real life.

388
00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:06,354
I think by now this movie
made Joan Crawford's image.

389
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:07,772
For young people,

390
00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:09,357
they didn't even know
who she was, probably.

391
00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:12,319
Basically, I think
it helped Joan Crawford.

392
00:35:12,402 --> 00:35:14,487
I think once you see this movie,

393
00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:17,157
you would like to go
rent her other movies

394
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,533
and see the DVDs

395
00:35:18,617 --> 00:35:20,910
and see the movies she made, certainly.

396
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:24,039
I don't think it would make you
not want to watch her movies at all.

397
00:35:24,581 --> 00:35:25,665
If you haven't heard of her.

398
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:29,002
It hurt her reputation

399
00:35:29,586 --> 00:35:31,087
for film historians
that just thought of her

400
00:35:31,171 --> 00:35:32,297
as a great movie star.

401
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,175
This was kind of
before all the tabloids

402
00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:38,053
did every horrible thing
about every star's life.

403
00:35:40,597 --> 00:35:43,266
Many stars acted like this,
to be honest.

404
00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:45,685
Especially ones that lasted.

405
00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:49,689
And many of them
were not really great parents.

406
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:51,775
They were not suitable
to have children,

407
00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:52,901
'cause they were never home.

408
00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:54,944
And it's the same way today.

409
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,238
People that work... Workaholics

410
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:59,157
or people that are incredibly rich,

411
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,575
they don't raise their own children,

412
00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:01,660
the help does.

413
00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:19,678
Well, I think that you see
the making of a movie certainly is...

414
00:36:19,928 --> 00:36:22,222
I mean,
the movie's long enough as it is.

415
00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:24,474
You know, to go into
the making of each one,

416
00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:25,975
she had such a long career,

417
00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,852
and she became famous

418
00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:29,437
for completely different type of roles

419
00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:30,939
when she was young
and when she was older,

420
00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,899
that it would have had
to have been a miniseries

421
00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:34,192
if you were going to go into that.

422
00:36:34,317 --> 00:36:35,568
It would have been a good one.

423
00:37:04,681 --> 00:37:06,391
When this film was being made,

424
00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:09,394
they were serious about it, you know,

425
00:37:09,477 --> 00:37:12,063
and I think that they did think
there was some humor in it.

426
00:37:12,147 --> 00:37:13,148
But certainly,

427
00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:15,442
this was a big-budget Hollywood movie.

428
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:17,777
They thought this could be
an Oscar-winning performance.

429
00:37:19,988 --> 00:37:21,114
And it's weird.

430
00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:22,657
If it did go wrong,

431
00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:24,909
there's only about three lines,
I think,

432
00:37:24,993 --> 00:37:27,412
that made it go wrong,
that are so over-the-top

433
00:37:27,537 --> 00:37:28,663
that we haven't gotten to.

434
00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:30,540
One is, "Tina, get the ax."

435
00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:34,335
That one certainly is astounding
when you see it.

436
00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:36,004
When I re-watched it I thought,

437
00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:38,757
"Well, there goes my theory
that it isn't over-the-top."

438
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,760
Because that line
is out of a horror movie.

439
00:37:42,677 --> 00:37:43,678
But I guess...

440
00:37:44,179 --> 00:37:46,931
to Christina, Joan was a monster.

441
00:37:47,015 --> 00:37:48,224
She was Godzilla.

442
00:37:48,308 --> 00:37:50,894
Her mother, the monster,
is what the book is.

443
00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:54,397
And paying her back, getting revenge.

444
00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:59,068
And it's the way always
when anyone dies, a famous person.

445
00:37:59,486 --> 00:38:00,570
As the years go on,

446
00:38:00,695 --> 00:38:03,531
more and more people
begin to tell the supposed truth

447
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:05,658
and begin to tell the bad stuff.

448
00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:07,702
But they wait till they're really dead

449
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:09,537
so they can't come back
from the coffin.

450
00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:11,331
For only a year dead, they don't say.

451
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:13,958
Three years, they say more.
Five years, they say more.

452
00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:18,087
And all powerful people like this

453
00:38:18,171 --> 00:38:19,798
are basically insecure.

454
00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:22,050
Why do you think
they go into a business

455
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:25,386
that depends on strangers
telling 'em how good they are?

456
00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:34,395
In that line,

457
00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:36,981
they'd take out of context
and use against her, probably.

458
00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:38,691
But that's because...

459
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:39,859
Remember Lana Turner

460
00:38:39,943 --> 00:38:41,611
when she was on the court
with Cheryl Crane

461
00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:43,738
and they would cut back
and forth to her on the stand

462
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:44,823
in <i>imitation of Life.</i>

463
00:38:44,906 --> 00:38:46,032
I mean, basically,

464
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:48,701
it's hard to tell sometimes
with actors.

465
00:38:48,785 --> 00:38:50,203
They can do that.

466
00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,835
But she was afraid,
like all great legends,

467
00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:57,919
in a way.

468
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:00,547
This. I love this.

469
00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:02,882
I did a whole art piece
in my photo show called,

470
00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:04,592
<i>Sophia Loren Decapitated,</i>

471
00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:07,095
which was all her pictures
with the head cut out.

472
00:39:07,387 --> 00:39:08,555
Because I love this.

473
00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:11,224
It's so bizarre that
you would leave the pictures

474
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,434
in the frames with the heads cut off.

475
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:15,854
It's a great post-modern
contemporary art idea.

476
00:39:15,937 --> 00:39:17,188
She just didn't realize it.

477
00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:20,149
But she inspired me
to do it from this scene.

478
00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:23,403
Just imagine asking the maid to come in

479
00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,363
and rip off the heads

480
00:39:25,446 --> 00:39:26,614
of your husband's pictures

481
00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:28,700
as a part of her duties for the day.

482
00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:33,162
They don't say much
about the boy in this.

483
00:39:33,246 --> 00:39:34,664
I guess he didn't cooperate.

484
00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:36,708
But he didn't sue.

485
00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:38,710
I mean, he never wrote a book,

486
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:40,795
and I don't think
he ever commented that much.

487
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:44,299
Look, I love this here.

488
00:39:44,465 --> 00:39:46,301
This looks exactly
like the art piece I did.

489
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,318
See, this is a thing of the past.

490
00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:05,945
No one answers their fans anymore.

491
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:07,780
No one sees the fan letter.

492
00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:10,074
I answer 'em sometimes.

493
00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:23,713
These were like her cult members.

494
00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:25,256
This was like "Joanstown."

495
00:40:25,632 --> 00:40:28,259
Like a definite cult.

496
00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:30,970
You're gonna get it for this.

497
00:40:51,574 --> 00:40:54,077
Children as the help.
That happens a lot too, unfortunately.

498
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,037
That chin strap is something I like.

499
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,622
That's, I guess, pre-botox.

500
00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:59,040
They had to do this kind of thing.

501
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,104
Those gloves she wears just for germs.

502
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,356
When she's sleeping,
that's really personal.

503
00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:36,744
Well, certainly <i>Sunset Boulevard</i>
did come before this

504
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:38,830
and paved the way for this movie,

505
00:41:39,122 --> 00:41:40,248
but in a very different way.

506
00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:42,166
Because <i>Sunset Boulevard</i> is,

507
00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:43,376
I still think,

508
00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:45,503
one of the best ten movies
ever made or something.

509
00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:47,171
And for wrong reasons,

510
00:41:47,255 --> 00:41:50,008
this is thought of as one of
the ten worst movies by some.

511
00:41:50,091 --> 00:41:51,092
No one I know.

512
00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:53,678
I don't know one person
that doesn't enjoy <i>Mommie Dearest.</i>

513
00:41:59,434 --> 00:42:01,728
They must be no fun,
whoever didn't like this.

514
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:08,067
See, all kids do that.
I don't know why she...

515
00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:10,987
Now she's wearing an ascot.

516
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:13,364
The whole family wears ascots.

517
00:42:52,153 --> 00:42:54,697
She's putting a little cream
on her elbows.

518
00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:02,789
That's when the hatred really began
of her mother,

519
00:43:02,872 --> 00:43:04,832
you could see
in the little girl's face.

520
00:43:04,916 --> 00:43:06,167
"I'll get you."

521
00:43:23,684 --> 00:43:25,103
I love the line.

522
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,647
She so doesn't mean it.

523
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,105
I think all actresses today

524
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,482
face this exact problem
that she's going through right now.

525
00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:32,170
It's odd seeing this movie
to ever imagine, she was acting

526
00:44:32,295 --> 00:44:34,463
because she's so intimidating.

527
00:44:35,548 --> 00:44:37,425
She's more like a dominatrix.

528
00:44:37,508 --> 00:44:38,926
Maybe she could have been.

529
00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:43,097
It is sad.

530
00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:45,391
I mean, this is her entire life.
This is...

531
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:53,691
How kind of you to say that.

532
00:44:59,447 --> 00:45:00,740
See, then I guess they didn't have,

533
00:45:00,823 --> 00:45:02,241
like, really strong agents

534
00:45:02,325 --> 00:45:04,535
because this would be a deal
that he would never call you

535
00:45:04,619 --> 00:45:06,704
and your agent would have to call
and tell you this.

536
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:09,498
And the agent would flip out
and make them pay.

537
00:45:10,917 --> 00:45:12,418
It's called "pay or play."

538
00:45:40,363 --> 00:45:42,657
She's very convincing
through the whole movie.

539
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:44,075
But here, it certainly...

540
00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:46,160
You feel for her.

541
00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:52,041
Faye Dunaway herself
has been through this.

542
00:46:31,414 --> 00:46:33,124
I think this is

543
00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:35,459
certainly a role that will be

544
00:46:36,544 --> 00:46:38,796
in her obituary, right near the top.

545
00:46:39,088 --> 00:46:40,840
One of the most famous roles she did.

546
00:46:48,347 --> 00:46:50,683
And maybe playing this part

547
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,270
pushed her a little bit over
in real life,

548
00:46:54,353 --> 00:46:56,480
being a little more like Joan Crawford.

549
00:46:59,442 --> 00:47:01,027
Because she is known to be

550
00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:03,446
a very, very strong character
to deal with.

551
00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:04,530
And I like her.

552
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,365
I think she's funny
and I've been with her before.

553
00:47:07,116 --> 00:47:08,117
But...

554
00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:11,162
I'm sure she does not suffer fools.

555
00:47:40,566 --> 00:47:42,568
Now this... this is the scene.

556
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:44,779
If they went too far,

557
00:47:44,904 --> 00:47:45,905
here it is.

558
00:47:47,656 --> 00:47:48,949
This is William Castle.

559
00:47:49,033 --> 00:47:50,201
This is <i>Strait-Jacket.</i>

560
00:47:53,204 --> 00:47:55,373
And then you always think,
"Why would she cut the roses down?"

561
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:58,000
That that was the one thing
I never quite got.

562
00:47:58,542 --> 00:47:59,835
Just anger.

563
00:48:03,506 --> 00:48:05,883
This is over-the-top. I agree.

564
00:48:11,097 --> 00:48:13,599
Here's the line
that drag queens yell today

565
00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:15,559
when they're during this movie,
is coming up.

566
00:48:39,208 --> 00:48:40,292
Here it comes.

567
00:48:48,175 --> 00:48:50,594
People were laughing here. This is...

568
00:48:58,686 --> 00:49:00,271
That particular line

569
00:49:00,354 --> 00:49:02,690
is why this movie
has this whole reputation, I think.

570
00:49:02,815 --> 00:49:04,817
That and the "No wire hangers" line.

571
00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:06,485
But the "No wire hangers" line

572
00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:09,155
that line's more over-the-top
than the "wire hangers" line.

573
00:49:09,238 --> 00:49:10,865
That one is a howler.

574
00:49:14,326 --> 00:49:15,911
See, that just
looks like <i>Strait-Jacket.</i>

575
00:49:15,995 --> 00:49:18,247
The poster for a William Castle movie.

576
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:29,175
Especially in that dress, in a couture,

577
00:49:29,383 --> 00:49:31,302
to wear to chop down your rose bushes

578
00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:32,887
and have a nervous breakdown.

579
00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:39,518
I think this should be a musical.

580
00:49:39,602 --> 00:49:41,854
They should turn this
into a Broadway musical.

581
00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:50,654
See, even the makeup there

582
00:49:50,738 --> 00:49:52,781
matches her lipstick, her blood stains.

583
00:49:52,865 --> 00:49:54,825
That was not
a good choice either, really.

584
00:49:55,034 --> 00:49:57,286
It's the only scene
I can criticize in this movie

585
00:49:57,369 --> 00:49:58,454
as going too far.

586
00:50:11,675 --> 00:50:15,137
So rude that Joan had...
Her maid was her assistant too.

587
00:50:15,221 --> 00:50:16,722
Didn't she have a personal assistant?

588
00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:17,806
Or is that the maid?

589
00:50:17,890 --> 00:50:19,433
I guess it's the housekeeper.

590
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:28,901
<i>Mildred Pierce,</i>
she's rehearsing for here.

591
00:50:41,789 --> 00:50:44,792
Joan didn't believe
in throwing a punch.

592
00:51:01,684 --> 00:51:03,811
My favorite movie of hers is <i>Trog.</i>

593
00:51:07,731 --> 00:51:11,443
Because, from reading the biography,
she had to change in the car.

594
00:51:11,527 --> 00:51:13,487
So I felt bad
for this great, great star.

595
00:51:13,571 --> 00:51:16,240
She wanted to work so badly
that at the end,

596
00:51:16,365 --> 00:51:21,620
when she had to make a movie
with a man in a monster suit,

597
00:51:21,704 --> 00:51:23,581
and then no dressing room, or anything,

598
00:51:23,664 --> 00:51:25,291
she just had to get in a car
and change.

599
00:51:25,374 --> 00:51:26,625
That means she really
wanted to make movies.

600
00:51:26,709 --> 00:51:29,670
That's what gave me
such great respect for her career.

601
00:51:29,753 --> 00:51:31,880
But she never wanted
to stop making movies.

602
00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:38,345
And I love that, you know the thing,
she must be perfect.

603
00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:40,723
Well, that is something
that Joan believed,

604
00:51:40,806 --> 00:51:43,225
that she was every minute
having to be perfect,

605
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:45,394
because then it was
such a lie to be a star.

606
00:51:45,477 --> 00:51:48,772
Today, of course,
all the stars can get arrested,

607
00:51:48,856 --> 00:51:50,774
they could do everything,
and they can go to jail,

608
00:51:50,858 --> 00:51:52,109
and it makes them bigger stars.

609
00:51:52,401 --> 00:51:54,612
Then, it was all a lie. Everything.

610
00:51:55,821 --> 00:51:56,822
Oh, this.

611
00:51:57,906 --> 00:52:00,159
This scene... Now, this is very...

612
00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:01,327
All parents did this.

613
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:03,412
You couldn't leave the table
till you ate something.

614
00:52:03,495 --> 00:52:05,456
Mine was lima beans
and I would then go...

615
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:10,044
Like gag and stuff, and I still
couldn't leave the table.

616
00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:12,296
But I didn't hold it
against my mother enough

617
00:52:12,379 --> 00:52:13,964
to write a book about it.

618
00:52:16,216 --> 00:52:17,760
She's right.

619
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:21,764
But she does...

620
00:52:23,182 --> 00:52:25,768
I guess they just get mad
about one thing

621
00:52:25,851 --> 00:52:26,852
and can't give up.

622
00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:30,189
I wonder who did
the daughter's hair every day.

623
00:52:30,272 --> 00:52:31,982
She must have had
a full-time hairdresser.

624
00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:50,376
I think there were
some standard things that...

625
00:52:50,459 --> 00:52:51,543
Like I talked about so far,

626
00:52:51,627 --> 00:52:53,295
there were things that
my mother did the same thing,

627
00:52:53,379 --> 00:52:56,715
and I think it was very much,
I grew up in the '50s, so basically,

628
00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:59,093
it was this kind of thing
that all parents did,

629
00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,303
thinking they were
doing the right thing.

630
00:53:01,387 --> 00:53:03,430
I mean, I remember
we couldn't go swimming

631
00:53:03,514 --> 00:53:04,973
for an hour after we ate,

632
00:53:05,057 --> 00:53:07,059
and that is completely not true.

633
00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:09,478
But down to the second,
they would time it.

634
00:53:09,937 --> 00:53:11,021
So that kind of thing,

635
00:53:11,146 --> 00:53:13,649
I mean, I'm sure Joan
would have been a firm believer.

636
00:53:13,732 --> 00:53:15,943
She would have made her wait two hours

637
00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:19,071
just to be sure
it was perfectly digested.

638
00:53:22,783 --> 00:53:27,913
But my parents didn't make me sit at
the table for ten hours or something,

639
00:53:27,996 --> 00:53:30,582
and then keep it for the next day,
which I believe she does.

640
00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:48,225
I only make movies
that I think up myself.

641
00:53:48,308 --> 00:53:50,144
But if I made this movie,

642
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:53,439
a man would have played
Joan Crawford, probably.

643
00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:55,607
Divine would have played her.

644
00:53:55,691 --> 00:53:57,401
We would have had a fat Joan Crawford.

645
00:53:59,778 --> 00:54:01,530
But I think the little girl's
great in it.

646
00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:10,998
Her name is, if I'm pronouncing it
right, Mara Hobel.

647
00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:14,001
Good for you, Mara.
I wonder what she looks like today.

648
00:54:21,008 --> 00:54:22,634
Here she is, strapped in.

649
00:54:24,052 --> 00:54:25,804
And they never explain that,
they just show it.

650
00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:27,723
That's something I like
very much in this movie.

651
00:54:27,806 --> 00:54:30,058
It's one of the only
subtle points it has.

652
00:54:30,142 --> 00:54:33,187
"Why is he strapped in the bed?"
"For his own good."

653
00:54:34,021 --> 00:54:35,481
Even murderesses, I mean,

654
00:54:35,564 --> 00:54:38,609
that famous murderess
that killed children in Indianapolis.

655
00:54:38,692 --> 00:54:41,779
They asked her why she did it,
and she said, "To teach her a lesson."

656
00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:43,781
I mean, it's the same kind of thing.

657
00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:46,241
I mean, if she had gone further,
look at that shot.

658
00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:50,078
It was a frightening shot.

659
00:54:54,082 --> 00:54:56,460
But, I mean, I have never actually
read an interview

660
00:54:56,543 --> 00:54:58,879
with Frank Perry
after this movie came about.

661
00:54:59,379 --> 00:55:01,799
Did he believe that this movie

662
00:55:01,882 --> 00:55:03,383
was supposed to be funny in parts?

663
00:55:03,467 --> 00:55:04,927
Or what was his real...

664
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:08,806
Did he try to revise his original

665
00:55:09,556 --> 00:55:11,892
directorial position on this?

666
00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:13,727
It was probably a lot of Monday morning

667
00:55:13,811 --> 00:55:15,062
quarterbacking going on.

668
00:55:16,063 --> 00:55:17,731
But look, she looks great there.

669
00:55:38,752 --> 00:55:40,504
Is Christopher still strapped in?

670
00:55:40,587 --> 00:55:43,006
Or is that just straps
or his look as a child?

671
00:55:43,090 --> 00:55:44,091
I can't tell.

672
00:55:44,174 --> 00:55:45,634
Not only is he strapped in his bed,

673
00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:48,262
he wears straps as a fashion accessory.

674
00:55:49,096 --> 00:55:50,556
That's an unfortunate hairdo.

675
00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:53,475
Maybe that was part of her punishment.

676
00:56:05,904 --> 00:56:07,447
Sometimes you forget.

677
00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:09,658
Does she look like Joan Crawford,

678
00:56:09,741 --> 00:56:11,869
or does Joan Crawford
look like Faye Dunaway?

679
00:56:11,952 --> 00:56:13,579
You get mixed up in a way,

680
00:56:14,955 --> 00:56:17,249
and I think probably
what Faye objects to

681
00:56:17,374 --> 00:56:18,959
is people always...

682
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:22,421
when they see Faye Dunaway,

683
00:56:22,504 --> 00:56:24,464
think of Joan Crawford now.

684
00:56:25,632 --> 00:56:26,633
And that happens a lot

685
00:56:26,717 --> 00:56:28,510
when you're so closely identified

686
00:56:28,594 --> 00:56:31,847
with playing one specific character
so strongly.

687
00:56:44,484 --> 00:56:46,403
I'm a voting member of the Academy.

688
00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:48,655
I vote every year,
I see all the movies.

689
00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:49,990
I take it seriously.

690
00:56:50,115 --> 00:56:51,617
...I wouldn't have to even listen.

691
00:56:53,285 --> 00:56:56,330
I come out, and I go
to the Vanity Fair party,

692
00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:58,081
and Elton John's Oscar dinner,

693
00:56:58,165 --> 00:56:59,583
watch it there, so it's...

694
00:56:59,666 --> 00:57:01,793
They joke
it's the Super Bowl weekend in LA.

695
00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:03,003
It is.

696
00:57:04,546 --> 00:57:05,547
Now, you know what's...

697
00:57:06,048 --> 00:57:08,634
What's one good thing
that Joan Crawford,

698
00:57:08,717 --> 00:57:10,260
if she was alive today,

699
00:57:10,344 --> 00:57:12,095
she would have had so many facelifts.

700
00:57:12,179 --> 00:57:14,389
And that's one thing
that she did not have,

701
00:57:14,473 --> 00:57:16,183
or if she did,
they weren't like today's,

702
00:57:16,266 --> 00:57:17,476
when they look like

703
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:19,978
you come out and you interview
all actresses over 40

704
00:57:20,062 --> 00:57:21,939
and they look like Picasso prints.

705
00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:24,775
Basically, Cubism is the look

706
00:57:24,858 --> 00:57:27,819
that some women have with their eyes
on the same side of their head.

707
00:57:27,903 --> 00:57:31,239
Joan might have certainly have
gotten a facelift, and she didn't.

708
00:57:38,872 --> 00:57:40,248
She's so happy.

709
00:57:43,877 --> 00:57:45,545
But what's... That's a bad memory

710
00:57:45,629 --> 00:57:47,005
of the night your mother won the Oscar?

711
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:48,840
I don't see what she's bitching about.

712
00:57:49,007 --> 00:57:50,467
It could be a lot worse.

713
00:57:51,343 --> 00:57:54,012
The night my mother
got fired from the plant,

714
00:57:54,179 --> 00:57:55,681
I mean, it could be a lot worse.

715
00:58:18,286 --> 00:58:19,538
Another genuine moment.

716
00:58:19,621 --> 00:58:22,207
But then the press was in
on being ingenuine too.

717
00:58:22,290 --> 00:58:23,417
I mean, they all were fake.

718
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:25,627
All the magazines were--
Everything they wrote was fake.

719
00:58:25,752 --> 00:58:29,131
They knew it. They didn't try
to find out the truth then, luckily.

720
00:58:47,482 --> 00:58:49,693
Do you think any of this film
was filmed on location?

721
00:58:49,776 --> 00:58:52,070
I think, frankly, every single scene

722
00:58:52,154 --> 00:58:53,572
was inside a studio somewhere.

723
00:58:53,655 --> 00:58:54,656
I don't think they were...

724
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:57,492
This movie was ever filmed
in the light of real day

725
00:58:57,576 --> 00:58:59,286
of the real world ever.

726
00:59:02,581 --> 00:59:06,001
And I like that about it,
that it was totally fake.

727
00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:07,085
Everything.

728
00:59:08,879 --> 00:59:10,213
Like the life she lived.

729
00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,509
Oh, here we come.

730
00:59:14,593 --> 00:59:17,596
Psycho. This is like
Anthony Perkins here.

731
00:59:20,182 --> 00:59:23,685
This is the other scene
that all drag queens love to do.

732
00:59:30,025 --> 00:59:31,026
And wire hangers,

733
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:33,278
even today, every time
I go through my closet,

734
00:59:33,361 --> 00:59:35,363
I can't help but think of this.

735
00:59:35,447 --> 00:59:37,741
And you never, ever...

736
00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:41,036
She probably really hurt
the wire hanger industry.

737
00:59:42,662 --> 00:59:44,873
Because no people
that even think they're wealthy

738
00:59:44,956 --> 00:59:46,958
want to have a wire hanger
because of this movie.

739
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:50,837
I like wire hangers
because when I travel

740
00:59:50,921 --> 00:59:53,215
that you can get more clothes
to fit in a garment bag

741
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:54,508
that you can carry on board.

742
00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:56,885
If you have thick hangers,
you can't do it.

743
00:59:56,968 --> 01:00:00,097
So I actually am a fan
of wire hangers for traveling.

744
01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:06,228
Even though they look common
in your closet.

745
01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:12,400
Now, the fact that they did this scene
with face cream on,

746
01:00:12,484 --> 01:00:16,446
it also adds to the lunacy of it,

747
01:00:16,530 --> 01:00:20,283
and to the unfortunate reputation of it

748
01:00:20,367 --> 01:00:21,743
being too over-the-top.

749
01:00:28,667 --> 01:00:30,418
And of course,
this scene was in the book.

750
01:00:42,305 --> 01:00:43,890
That's not even a bad wire hanger.

751
01:00:44,015 --> 01:00:45,016
I have worse ones.

752
01:00:46,393 --> 01:00:48,270
That's a thick wire hanger, isn't it?

753
01:00:48,353 --> 01:00:50,689
I'm talking about
the kind from the cleaners,

754
01:00:50,772 --> 01:00:53,775
the white ones that you can't even
hang a pair of pants on

755
01:00:53,859 --> 01:00:54,985
because they bend.

756
01:00:56,945 --> 01:00:59,072
But she needed a thicker one
so she could beat her with it.

757
01:00:59,156 --> 01:01:01,491
It would be really hard
to beat someone with that.

758
01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:09,040
I wonder if there was...
How many takes?

759
01:01:21,011 --> 01:01:22,888
I have friends that act like this.

760
01:01:24,723 --> 01:01:27,184
On your worst night...
She did work hard.

761
01:01:33,815 --> 01:01:35,400
See, she was poor.

762
01:01:37,944 --> 01:01:42,324
What were wire hangers doing
in this closet?

763
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,035
People act like that.

764
01:01:45,327 --> 01:01:47,537
I know people that go that insane.

765
01:01:48,121 --> 01:01:49,664
This was before Prozac.

766
01:01:49,748 --> 01:01:51,041
That might have helped her.

767
01:02:17,442 --> 01:02:18,944
This is such a famous scene.

768
01:02:19,027 --> 01:02:20,570
I mean, if you don't like this scene,

769
01:02:20,654 --> 01:02:22,364
you should never watch a movie, really.

770
01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,486
I was amazed by it,
and I was a little shocked,

771
01:03:01,569 --> 01:03:04,072
because you really see her
beating this child with it.

772
01:03:04,364 --> 01:03:05,573
But I had already done a scene

773
01:03:05,657 --> 01:03:07,534
where Divine beat her daughter
with a coat hanger.

774
01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:09,953
So to me, it was in a tradition

775
01:03:10,036 --> 01:03:12,289
of comic child abuse scenes

776
01:03:13,498 --> 01:03:16,876
made for insane audiences
that thought they had seen everything.

777
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,295
But that was the problem.

778
01:03:18,378 --> 01:03:20,922
This movie was made
for regular audiences.

779
01:03:21,881 --> 01:03:24,551
I actually believe regular audiences
probably like this movie.

780
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:28,430
It was the inteligencia
that saw that it was...

781
01:03:29,889 --> 01:03:31,725
Its camp value, basically.

782
01:03:33,727 --> 01:03:34,811
I love her voice.

783
01:03:37,272 --> 01:03:38,440
It's the white makeup

784
01:03:39,024 --> 01:03:42,277
that is the one touch
that went a little far.

785
01:03:58,335 --> 01:04:00,795
It's hard for me to ever say
that actors are courageous

786
01:04:00,879 --> 01:04:02,297
when they're paid millions of dollars.

787
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:03,381
It could be worse.

788
01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:07,093
They get a free lunch and a ride there.

789
01:04:15,185 --> 01:04:17,145
But see, this never became
like <i>Rocky Horror</i>

790
01:04:17,228 --> 01:04:19,647
where people in the theater
were yelling out these lines.

791
01:04:19,731 --> 01:04:22,025
And they tried to make that happen.
I remember.

792
01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:24,069
And they passed out wire hangers.

793
01:04:24,778 --> 01:04:25,945
That won't work.

794
01:04:26,029 --> 01:04:28,031
You have to bring the wire hangers
on your own.

795
01:04:28,114 --> 01:04:29,407
It has to be the audience's idea.

796
01:04:29,491 --> 01:04:32,035
You can't manufacture a cult hit,

797
01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:33,328
which they tried to do with this movie

798
01:04:33,411 --> 01:04:36,748
when they realized that it had gone
the complete opposite way,

799
01:04:37,374 --> 01:04:39,417
that "for your consideration"

800
01:04:39,542 --> 01:04:41,419
was not really going to be
the proper way

801
01:04:41,503 --> 01:04:43,213
to advertise this in three months.

802
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:55,225
I know many women that keep
their houses obsessively clean,

803
01:04:55,308 --> 01:04:57,852
especially in lower-income families,

804
01:04:57,936 --> 01:04:59,771
when they maybe live
in a bad neighborhood,

805
01:04:59,854 --> 01:05:00,855
they want it to be clean.

806
01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:03,733
That's the order they have,
that's the only power they have.

807
01:05:12,450 --> 01:05:15,703
I think, Joan... I don't know
if she was drunk, but to me,

808
01:05:16,496 --> 01:05:19,416
she was on some kind of substance,
this behavior.

809
01:05:20,458 --> 01:05:22,877
But she could have also
just needed medication.

810
01:05:22,961 --> 01:05:24,337
I mean...

811
01:05:24,421 --> 01:05:27,006
I have friends
that have acted like this,

812
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:29,134
and basically, as they got older,
they didn't.

813
01:05:29,217 --> 01:05:31,428
But also, sometimes,

814
01:05:31,886 --> 01:05:34,889
medication they have today
helps this kind of behavior.

815
01:05:36,558 --> 01:05:38,518
But then she would have been even.

816
01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:40,562
Who wants an even Joan Crawford?

817
01:05:40,645 --> 01:05:42,147
That wouldn't have been that much fun.

818
01:05:43,398 --> 01:05:46,025
And actresses can't be even.
If you don't...

819
01:05:47,110 --> 01:05:49,362
experience highs and lows,

820
01:05:49,446 --> 01:05:52,907
just Joan's where there was
no middle, it seemed.

821
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:20,768
I think many people that grew up
in a very, very poor family

822
01:06:20,852 --> 01:06:22,937
that suddenly are wealthy
are like that.

823
01:06:23,021 --> 01:06:24,647
And there are many poor families
that the homes...

824
01:06:24,731 --> 01:06:26,524
I know in Baltimore,
you could eat off the floor.

825
01:06:26,608 --> 01:06:29,694
I mean, they scrub those marble steps
in Baltimore all the time.

826
01:06:29,819 --> 01:06:32,447
Basically, cleanliness is control.

827
01:06:32,947 --> 01:06:34,574
And cleanliness is, no matter what

828
01:06:34,657 --> 01:06:37,285
your living surroundings,
that you are in control of it,

829
01:06:37,368 --> 01:06:39,871
that nature is the enemy
of taking over,

830
01:06:39,954 --> 01:06:42,874
natural things you're against,
especially a movie star

831
01:06:42,957 --> 01:06:45,793
who lives in a totally
unnatural environment.

832
01:06:45,877 --> 01:06:47,128
This movie's unnatural.

833
01:07:14,614 --> 01:07:15,865
Look, a white Christmas tree.

834
01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,784
Only in LA do they have them.

835
01:07:18,326 --> 01:07:20,161
Really, I've never seen one
on the east coast.

836
01:07:20,245 --> 01:07:21,371
But I love them.

837
01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:24,666
But in LA, they love
a white, flocked tree still.

838
01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:27,377
And I respect one
when I see one in a home.

839
01:07:43,601 --> 01:07:45,395
I like how Christopher's
portrayed in this.

840
01:07:45,478 --> 01:07:47,063
Quite scarily, I think,

841
01:07:47,188 --> 01:07:48,731
because he's almost, I think...

842
01:07:49,357 --> 01:07:52,652
It's so hideous, you don't ask
what happened to him.

843
01:08:29,897 --> 01:08:30,982
See, Faye tried, she thought

844
01:08:31,065 --> 01:08:34,360
she had a perfect life,
and perfect children.

845
01:08:34,444 --> 01:08:35,528
And, you know, like alcoholics,

846
01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:37,447
when they act like that, and it's over,

847
01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:40,116
they pretend...
They think you don't remember.

848
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,660
If they apologize, it didn't happen.

849
01:08:42,744 --> 01:08:43,745
But of course, it did.

850
01:08:43,828 --> 01:08:45,455
And it's the same
with psychotic behavior.

851
01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:47,874
You remember. You can't wipe it out.

852
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:51,336
But they figure, "Oh, it's over.
And so, it wasn't me.

853
01:08:51,419 --> 01:08:52,712
That was the insanity."

854
01:09:07,685 --> 01:09:09,479
I did this. I did a Christmas interview

855
01:09:09,562 --> 01:09:11,314
with NPR while I decorated the house,

856
01:09:11,397 --> 01:09:13,149
so I'm as bad as she is

857
01:09:13,316 --> 01:09:15,568
as far as letting the press in.

858
01:09:22,575 --> 01:09:24,243
I love that she was taught
to make drinks.

859
01:09:24,327 --> 01:09:26,204
I don't think that's bad. It was okay.

860
01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:48,851
And also in Hollywood homes,

861
01:09:48,935 --> 01:09:52,522
they always seem to have
all these indoor bars and everything.

862
01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:55,441
I mean, I don't see that
in that many people's houses.

863
01:10:15,086 --> 01:10:17,839
There's the "fuck me" pump.
There's the famous shot of it.

864
01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:23,094
And she did wear those shoes.

865
01:10:23,177 --> 01:10:24,303
And if you look
at some of the pictures,

866
01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:25,722
they are mind-boggling.

867
01:10:25,805 --> 01:10:27,432
They're like shoe fetishes.

868
01:10:27,515 --> 01:10:29,976
I mean, like S&M domination wear.

869
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:42,155
I think she led her life
as if at any moment,

870
01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:43,406
a still camera was going to go off.

871
01:10:43,489 --> 01:10:45,783
She couldn't relax, it seemed.

872
01:10:45,908 --> 01:10:49,454
You can't imagine her just wearing
a T-shirt and a pair of jeans,

873
01:10:49,579 --> 01:10:51,247
and sitting around the house
reading a book or something.

874
01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:54,041
She had to be
in full drag at all times.

875
01:11:04,761 --> 01:11:06,888
But I think she was probably
appealing to men

876
01:11:06,971 --> 01:11:08,598
that liked domineering women.

877
01:11:08,681 --> 01:11:10,892
She couldn't have been
more of that type

878
01:11:10,975 --> 01:11:11,976
if you were into it.

879
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:20,443
I think this movie
has such a strong gay following...

880
01:11:21,444 --> 01:11:23,905
because it's about Hollywood,
because of the sets,

881
01:11:23,988 --> 01:11:26,532
the costumes and everything,
all those beautiful costumes.

882
01:11:26,616 --> 01:11:28,493
And they don't make
that many movies like this.

883
01:11:28,576 --> 01:11:29,869
This is the kind of movie Divine loved.

884
01:11:29,952 --> 01:11:32,079
He would hate it. He'd say,
"Are they about rich people?

885
01:11:32,163 --> 01:11:34,373
I don't want to see a movie
that isn't about rich people."

886
01:11:35,041 --> 01:11:37,293
And they don't make that many movies
about rich people anymore

887
01:11:37,376 --> 01:11:39,086
unless the rich people
are the villains.

888
01:11:40,463 --> 01:11:44,634
And because the role itself
is a female-female impersonator role,

889
01:11:44,717 --> 01:11:46,677
I mean, it's a role
that all drag queens

890
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,305
yearn to do, really.

891
01:11:50,014 --> 01:11:53,351
And Joan Crawford looked like a man,
kind of, in real life.

892
01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:54,977
She'd looked like a drag queen.

893
01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:57,605
And in this movie,
especially the eyebrows

894
01:11:57,688 --> 01:12:00,107
maybe are a little overused,
I love them.

895
01:12:00,233 --> 01:12:02,318
I'm glad, because you can just
watch the whole movie

896
01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:04,111
and look at her eyebrows
from the beginning to end,

897
01:12:04,195 --> 01:12:07,323
and only focus on that,
and it becomes a true art film.

898
01:12:08,241 --> 01:12:10,535
But they are extreme.

899
01:12:10,618 --> 01:12:13,079
They're the kind I remember
they used to sell in the drugstores,

900
01:12:13,204 --> 01:12:15,873
stencils that you could just put up
to your face, and draw them on.

901
01:12:15,998 --> 01:12:18,417
They looked like they were applied
with a magic marker.

902
01:12:19,961 --> 01:12:23,130
And Joan really only had those
eyebrows for a part of her career.

903
01:12:23,214 --> 01:12:25,466
She didn't have...
In this movie pretty much,

904
01:12:26,008 --> 01:12:27,969
she always has extreme eyebrows.

905
01:12:28,052 --> 01:12:29,720
This is a definite eyebrow movie.

906
01:12:33,057 --> 01:12:36,185
And she gets to wear
a million costumes, a million hairdos,

907
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:39,939
and she gets to have fits all the time,

908
01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:42,066
and be evil and crazy.

909
01:13:08,718 --> 01:13:11,345
So this is Amy Irving's mother
playing this role.

910
01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:30,573
I think that one is sad,

911
01:13:30,698 --> 01:13:32,575
but you want to laugh.

912
01:13:32,658 --> 01:13:34,827
Because by this point in the movie...

913
01:13:36,329 --> 01:13:39,415
you're rooting for her
to be horrible, really.

914
01:13:39,498 --> 01:13:42,126
You're not hoping she gets better,
Joan Crawford.

915
01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:47,006
You're not hoping that
she finally goes to a psychiatrist.

916
01:13:54,597 --> 01:13:57,141
And I guess that this is a movie
really about child abuse.

917
01:13:57,224 --> 01:13:59,769
But it's a comedy.
There aren't many, really.

918
01:13:59,852 --> 01:14:01,312
Usually it's pretty...

919
01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:04,190
Even if it's a bad movie,

920
01:14:04,273 --> 01:14:06,859
you immediately feel
so sorry for the child

921
01:14:06,943 --> 01:14:08,861
that you feel guilty for even...

922
01:14:08,945 --> 01:14:11,864
But this, you don't. You want her
to hit her more, actually.

923
01:14:11,948 --> 01:14:15,284
I mean... And it's an odd feeling,

924
01:14:15,368 --> 01:14:18,371
because you're actually rooting
for the child molester in this movie.

925
01:14:20,206 --> 01:14:23,376
That was a good cut,
from older to younger there. And...

926
01:14:28,005 --> 01:14:30,758
And Diana Scarwid, who plays her,
I think, is quite good in the movie.

927
01:14:30,883 --> 01:14:31,884
I think she's...

928
01:14:32,635 --> 01:14:34,845
I think she got good reviews, actually.

929
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:26,522
Good jewelry. Another reason, you know.

930
01:15:32,111 --> 01:15:33,279
My mother used to say that.

931
01:15:33,863 --> 01:15:36,115
To my sister, she would say,
"Spinach, Sam,"

932
01:15:36,198 --> 01:15:37,742
all words that began with an S

933
01:15:37,825 --> 01:15:39,785
because it looked like
what your spine looked like,

934
01:15:39,869 --> 01:15:40,870
the letter S.

935
01:15:44,832 --> 01:15:46,375
It was a common thing then.
That's what I mean,

936
01:15:46,459 --> 01:15:49,170
a lot of these things ring true to me,
and I don't ever remember thinking

937
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:51,630
that my mother was terrible
about saying that or anything.

938
01:16:24,371 --> 01:16:27,291
My mother would probably laugh
watching this movie, in a way.

939
01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:30,169
Well, now, because you've heard
so much about this movie,

940
01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:34,256
it's so famous for this reputation
of being a campy movie

941
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:35,382
that you want to...

942
01:16:35,466 --> 01:16:37,093
You're prepared to laugh
when you start it.

943
01:16:37,176 --> 01:16:40,262
What was confusing
is when you saw the movie

944
01:16:40,346 --> 01:16:42,223
when it opened the first week,

945
01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:44,642
it wasn't positioned as a comedy.

946
01:16:44,725 --> 01:16:47,103
But I remember the ad for it
looked scary.

947
01:16:47,186 --> 01:16:49,438
The ad for it,
you knew right away that...

948
01:16:49,522 --> 01:16:52,608
The poster for it even,
made it look kind of...

949
01:16:52,691 --> 01:16:55,319
You knew that it could be a howler.

950
01:17:02,326 --> 01:17:03,869
But it's not really a howler.

951
01:17:03,953 --> 01:17:06,038
I mean, a howler would be Showgirls,

952
01:17:06,914 --> 01:17:09,667
something that was so un-in-on
what it was supposed to be.

953
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:14,755
And I think everybody knew
what this movie was going to be.

954
01:17:14,839 --> 01:17:16,632
But it just somehow backfired.

955
01:17:16,715 --> 01:17:18,592
And I think
it's those tiny little things

956
01:17:18,676 --> 01:17:19,677
that made it backfire,

957
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,720
that changed
the entire tone of the movie.

958
01:17:21,804 --> 01:17:23,806
It went just a little too far.

959
01:17:24,682 --> 01:17:26,851
And if those few things
had been taken out,

960
01:17:26,934 --> 01:17:29,145
it would have been
much better received.

961
01:17:30,354 --> 01:17:31,522
But the book was already out.

962
01:17:31,605 --> 01:17:33,065
The book had caused a sensation.

963
01:17:33,149 --> 01:17:35,860
And already there were
Joan Crawford loyalists

964
01:17:35,943 --> 01:17:37,528
who hated Christina and hated the book.

965
01:18:13,022 --> 01:18:15,691
I'm sure, you know, every movie star
was bigger than life,

966
01:18:15,774 --> 01:18:17,276
you hear horror stories.

967
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,403
We were telling 'em
while we were doing this.

968
01:18:21,071 --> 01:18:23,073
The ones I work with,
I got along fine with them,

969
01:18:23,157 --> 01:18:25,117
and a few of 'em I had heard
horror stories about me.

970
01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:26,493
They certainly didn't act like that
with me.

971
01:18:26,577 --> 01:18:27,828
Maybe the director was a jerk.

972
01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:30,664
Maybe Joan was right some of the time.

973
01:18:31,874 --> 01:18:34,376
And maybe some of this
turned into urban legend.

974
01:18:34,460 --> 01:18:36,212
Like what you hear about gerbils

975
01:18:36,295 --> 01:18:38,214
and you hear these stories,
and people say, "I know it's true."

976
01:18:38,297 --> 01:18:40,049
Who knows?
I mean this wire hanger scene,

977
01:18:40,132 --> 01:18:42,259
maybe once, she said to her daughter,

978
01:18:42,343 --> 01:18:44,428
"You're punished 'cause you have
wire hangers," you know.

979
01:18:44,511 --> 01:18:46,513
Did that scene really happen like that?

980
01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:49,975
I think it was certainly
exaggerated for drama.

981
01:18:50,059 --> 01:18:52,478
Even though Joan was a drama queen,

982
01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:55,105
I don't know
if she was clinically insane,

983
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:58,108
which is really
what that scene suggests.

984
01:19:27,054 --> 01:19:29,306
You see, Faye in this scene
is very realistic,

985
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:32,601
it's not over-the-top in any way.

986
01:19:32,685 --> 01:19:33,769
And you believe her.

987
01:19:33,852 --> 01:19:36,355
She's trying, she's trying.
So I think she brings

988
01:19:36,438 --> 01:19:38,732
a very human quality
to this role all through it.

989
01:19:51,996 --> 01:19:55,124
I think this movie does try
to show us both sides of her.

990
01:19:55,207 --> 01:19:57,835
The problem is it's more fun
when she's bad.

991
01:19:58,961 --> 01:20:00,296
But then you feel for her.
Then you realize

992
01:20:00,379 --> 01:20:02,673
she is a human being
and she's a single mother,

993
01:20:02,756 --> 01:20:05,592
and she's a workaholic,
and she's worried about her career,

994
01:20:05,676 --> 01:20:07,386
and she's trying.

995
01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,229
This scene isn't campy at all.

996
01:20:18,272 --> 01:20:19,690
But no one remembers this scene

997
01:20:20,649 --> 01:20:22,276
'cause it's so overshadowed.

998
01:20:25,738 --> 01:20:26,739
It's the same as your parents

999
01:20:26,822 --> 01:20:28,449
coming home
and telling you they got fired.

1000
01:20:33,037 --> 01:20:35,039
But, with Joan, I think
you were scared to say anything

1001
01:20:35,122 --> 01:20:38,500
'cause if you said the wrong thing,
she would go into a tirade.

1002
01:20:53,474 --> 01:20:55,184
Well, she's really channeling her here.

1003
01:20:55,267 --> 01:20:56,852
This is uncanny, almost.

1004
01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:33,138
I think she was always scared.

1005
01:21:33,222 --> 01:21:35,015
All actors are scared.

1006
01:21:35,099 --> 01:21:36,433
In show business, I'm scared.

1007
01:21:36,517 --> 01:21:37,810
The day it's the wrap,
you always think,

1008
01:21:37,893 --> 01:21:38,894
"I'll never work again,"

1009
01:21:39,395 --> 01:21:42,648
because you're a freelance worker
your whole life.

1010
01:21:42,731 --> 01:21:44,274
You never have a real job.

1011
01:21:45,234 --> 01:21:47,653
Even banks don't think
you have a real job.

1012
01:22:03,544 --> 01:22:06,672
I think Faye channeled Joan,
and I think she really did research.

1013
01:22:06,755 --> 01:22:09,842
I think that this was a great role,

1014
01:22:09,925 --> 01:22:12,469
obviously that probably many,
many actresses wanted.

1015
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,598
It's one of those things
where you just don't know

1016
01:22:16,682 --> 01:22:18,851
how something can go wrong,

1017
01:22:18,934 --> 01:22:21,270
such tiny things, and change the tone.

1018
01:22:21,353 --> 01:22:22,479
The tone is what...

1019
01:22:23,272 --> 01:22:26,358
of this movie is suggested early,
so over-the-top,

1020
01:22:26,442 --> 01:22:29,319
that it's hard to come back down,
I think, for most people.

1021
01:22:37,536 --> 01:22:39,204
Well, I can't imagine anyone

1022
01:22:39,288 --> 01:22:41,498
besides Faye Dunaway
playing this role better.

1023
01:22:50,632 --> 01:22:52,509
That fur stole.

1024
01:23:03,729 --> 01:23:05,063
I think her mother hid it from her.

1025
01:23:05,147 --> 01:23:08,567
A lot of alcoholics drink in secret,
take drugs in secret.

1026
01:23:10,068 --> 01:23:11,862
People didn't even think
it was drugs at the time.

1027
01:23:11,945 --> 01:23:14,531
In the '60s, mothers gave
their daughters diet pills.

1028
01:23:14,615 --> 01:23:15,908
Their doctor told them
to give it to them.

1029
01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:19,536
It wasn't drugs. It was
a new medication, a wonder drug.

1030
01:23:20,579 --> 01:23:23,749
That's what Quaaludes were,
I mean, they were a tranquilizer.

1031
01:23:34,718 --> 01:23:37,346
That kind of make up at the end
can be really the worst.

1032
01:23:37,429 --> 01:23:40,140
That's like, the worst example ever was

1033
01:23:40,224 --> 01:23:42,559
Bette Midler's old-age makeup
in For the Boys.

1034
01:23:45,312 --> 01:23:46,522
And I think Bette's great in the movie

1035
01:23:46,605 --> 01:23:48,690
but if it looks like
a ninja turtle, you know...

1036
01:23:48,774 --> 01:23:51,026
It's really hard to do old-age makeup

1037
01:23:51,109 --> 01:23:53,862
and do a dramatic scene
without laughing. It's really hard.

1038
01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:00,369
And I think they certainly suggest it
by hairdos and the eyebrows, really.

1039
01:24:00,452 --> 01:24:03,580
This eyebrow thing,
I want to know who did the eyebrows.

1040
01:24:03,664 --> 01:24:06,375
Is there a special credit
for eyebrows in this?

1041
01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:18,971
At least, she wasn't a mean drunk.

1042
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:22,140
Imagine if she was.

1043
01:24:54,047 --> 01:24:56,049
I think it takes a long time to...

1044
01:24:56,133 --> 01:24:57,884
Longevity is the hardest thing
to figure out

1045
01:24:57,968 --> 01:25:00,387
because you have to keep
reinventing yourself each decade,

1046
01:25:00,470 --> 01:25:03,599
'cause you have to keep getting
the newest younger generation

1047
01:25:03,682 --> 01:25:04,725
to come see your movies,

1048
01:25:05,183 --> 01:25:07,394
'cause that's really
what they care about.

1049
01:25:07,477 --> 01:25:10,063
And that's certainly... In TV,
that's what advertisers care about,

1050
01:25:10,147 --> 01:25:11,690
and that's...

1051
01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:13,233
That goes for movies all the time.

1052
01:25:13,317 --> 01:25:18,822
Eventually, your fans stop going out
as they get older,

1053
01:25:18,905 --> 01:25:20,198
so you've got to keep
getting the young ones.

1054
01:25:20,282 --> 01:25:22,951
And I think that's why Joan
did William Castle movies.

1055
01:25:23,035 --> 01:25:24,661
I think that's why
she did horror movies.

1056
01:25:25,287 --> 01:25:27,581
And eventually she did any movie
that she was offered

1057
01:25:27,664 --> 01:25:31,418
so she could still be in movies,
because without the movies,

1058
01:25:31,501 --> 01:25:33,962
was there anything there anymore?
Probably not.

1059
01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:44,014
Believe me, all the salaries
they got were nothing

1060
01:25:44,097 --> 01:25:47,225
compared to-- If she had lived,
she wouldn't be rich today

1061
01:25:47,309 --> 01:25:50,354
unless she wisely invested her money,
which most of them didn't.

1062
01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:53,815
The salaries Bette Davis got,
if you look at them,

1063
01:25:53,899 --> 01:25:57,903
were tiny compared to what
even a mid-level star gets today.

1064
01:25:58,570 --> 01:26:02,783
So, they were on salary
a lot in the studio, so...

1065
01:26:06,995 --> 01:26:08,914
And you could see that
Joan was repressed.

1066
01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:11,333
I mean, you know when she goes
so crazy thinking of her daughter.

1067
01:26:11,416 --> 01:26:14,127
But that's, remember, all parents.

1068
01:26:14,211 --> 01:26:15,754
Remember even when Cher was uptight

1069
01:26:15,837 --> 01:26:17,255
that her daughter
was a lesbian at first.

1070
01:26:17,339 --> 01:26:19,758
I mean, that's a common thing.
And then they adjust to it.

1071
01:26:25,222 --> 01:26:26,306
Snitch.

1072
01:26:28,016 --> 01:26:29,226
"I'm gonna..."

1073
01:26:34,064 --> 01:26:35,190
This happens all the time.

1074
01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:38,860
This scene has happened
in homes all over America.

1075
01:27:05,095 --> 01:27:07,514
Private schools, always like this,
have the worst kids,

1076
01:27:07,597 --> 01:27:10,434
the ones that behaved the very worst.

1077
01:27:13,019 --> 01:27:15,313
I went to private grade school,

1078
01:27:15,397 --> 01:27:17,399
public junior high
and Catholic high school.

1079
01:27:17,482 --> 01:27:21,445
I have a...
I'm all three types of education.

1080
01:27:23,196 --> 01:27:24,906
And I had trouble with all three.

1081
01:27:35,876 --> 01:27:38,545
Now she's guzzling all the time,
unashamedly.

1082
01:27:40,088 --> 01:27:41,089
Drinking and driving.

1083
01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:43,049
See, they would never show this
in a movie today,

1084
01:27:43,133 --> 01:27:45,886
'cause you'd have Mothers
Against Drunk Drivers picketing.

1085
01:28:04,404 --> 01:28:05,405
Well...

1086
01:28:06,698 --> 01:28:10,786
I think most great teenage girls know
where to find the booze and the boys.

1087
01:28:14,414 --> 01:28:16,708
And all the bad girls
were the ones I hung out with.

1088
01:28:16,792 --> 01:28:19,127
All my friends were the whores.

1089
01:28:19,211 --> 01:28:21,171
The ones that everybody
called a whore in high school

1090
01:28:21,254 --> 01:28:22,464
always were my friends.

1091
01:28:23,548 --> 01:28:26,092
I would have hung out with Christina.
She would have been my buddy.

1092
01:28:30,889 --> 01:28:32,265
'Cause now she's pissed.

1093
01:28:32,349 --> 01:28:35,435
She hates her mother now,
and she's not going back.

1094
01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:49,366
Joan actually looks the best
in this period, in a way.

1095
01:28:49,449 --> 01:28:50,742
I mean, the way
they have her in the movie,

1096
01:28:50,826 --> 01:28:53,245
she looks handsome and...

1097
01:28:56,498 --> 01:28:59,292
Channeling Rosalind Russell here
a little bit.

1098
01:29:06,258 --> 01:29:07,968
I think she's walking
like Joan Crawford.

1099
01:29:08,051 --> 01:29:09,928
I think she's channeling her more.

1100
01:29:14,474 --> 01:29:17,102
Joan Crawford invented shoulder pads.
And wasn't she the one

1101
01:29:17,185 --> 01:29:19,980
that was the main person
that wore shoulder pads?

1102
01:29:20,063 --> 01:29:21,356
And they were a bizarre look.

1103
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,733
I mean, they made her
more manly-looking,

1104
01:29:25,193 --> 01:29:27,404
and more frightening.

1105
01:29:58,393 --> 01:29:59,728
That's a great line, I'm not...

1106
01:29:59,811 --> 01:30:00,896
There's a good scene here.

1107
01:30:14,659 --> 01:30:15,702
Hit her back.

1108
01:30:27,631 --> 01:30:29,674
Now she's turning into Hedda Nussbaum.

1109
01:30:55,408 --> 01:30:56,409
She's...

1110
01:30:57,118 --> 01:31:00,121
I love that she cares so much
that has reporters right in the house,

1111
01:31:00,205 --> 01:31:01,790
and she's beating her child.

1112
01:31:43,707 --> 01:31:45,500
Well, you saw it's like that
in all horror movies.

1113
01:31:45,583 --> 01:31:47,752
You want the victim to start winning.

1114
01:31:48,753 --> 01:31:50,755
And she doesn't quite win.

1115
01:31:53,550 --> 01:31:55,427
But she's good here, she's really good.

1116
01:32:33,131 --> 01:32:35,341
See, this dialogue rings true to me.

1117
01:32:39,721 --> 01:32:41,890
Somebody said that to me once.
I mean, it's...

1118
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,226
This scene, now it goes over-the-top

1119
01:32:45,310 --> 01:32:46,770
and when you see
her little legs kicking

1120
01:32:46,853 --> 01:32:49,105
is one where I howled in the theater.

1121
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:50,565
I'm telling you it's coming up.

1122
01:32:50,648 --> 01:32:53,318
Well, this here,
then it becomes ludicrous.

1123
01:32:53,401 --> 01:32:54,569
That shot right there

1124
01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:58,448
is the one where the entire audience
went crazy laughing.

1125
01:33:00,784 --> 01:33:03,078
Because this is so over-the-top.

1126
01:33:07,499 --> 01:33:09,834
But the reporter's in the other room,
imagine today,

1127
01:33:09,918 --> 01:33:11,836
you've got a good story here, right?

1128
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,339
She's now beaten her for 15 minutes.

1129
01:33:16,382 --> 01:33:18,093
And this goes on and on here.

1130
01:33:19,677 --> 01:33:22,472
Is this the press pulling her off?
Yeah.

1131
01:33:32,816 --> 01:33:34,567
This is insane right here. This is...

1132
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,620
The cut to Mary.

1133
01:33:49,457 --> 01:33:50,708
Oh, brother.

1134
01:34:18,153 --> 01:34:20,697
I never thought Joan Crawford
was a perfect person.

1135
01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:23,658
I never thought movie stars...
I didn't buy into the whole thing

1136
01:34:23,741 --> 01:34:25,827
that there were
these perfect creatures.

1137
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:29,372
I always knew that to be a movie star
was a really hard job

1138
01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:33,084
and one that made you almost
impossible to have a normal life

1139
01:34:33,168 --> 01:34:36,588
and also generally attracts people
that are very neurotic

1140
01:34:36,671 --> 01:34:39,674
that join a business
that depends on strangers

1141
01:34:39,757 --> 01:34:42,010
telling you how good you are
for the rest of your life.

1142
01:35:08,786 --> 01:35:12,290
See, Joan did wear hair
like that, but it's alarming.

1143
01:35:24,802 --> 01:35:27,639
Now, when she finally
marries somebody with money,

1144
01:35:27,722 --> 01:35:29,098
she thinks she saved.

1145
01:35:32,852 --> 01:35:35,313
Well, it always takes two.

1146
01:35:35,396 --> 01:35:37,273
It's never just one person's fault.

1147
01:35:37,357 --> 01:35:39,234
He wanted something out of it, too.

1148
01:35:53,998 --> 01:35:56,125
Well, there's another famous line,
of course, coming up.

1149
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:58,920
"Don't fuck with me, fellas.
I've been to the rodeo before."

1150
01:35:59,003 --> 01:36:01,506
I believe that's another
very famous line.

1151
01:36:01,589 --> 01:36:04,968
But that, I felt like saying that

1152
01:36:05,051 --> 01:36:07,637
in big meetings with studio heads
and you're arguing...

1153
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,389
Maybe I have said it.

1154
01:36:09,472 --> 01:36:10,682
In a different way.

1155
01:36:23,653 --> 01:36:25,113
It was different
making studio pictures,

1156
01:36:25,196 --> 01:36:27,115
but the studios had changed very much.

1157
01:36:27,198 --> 01:36:29,158
I mean, they would have
never even heard a pitch

1158
01:36:29,242 --> 01:36:30,493
for those early movies, so...

1159
01:36:31,703 --> 01:36:33,830
After <i>Hairspray,</i>
now Hollywood's very different.

1160
01:36:36,499 --> 01:36:38,960
The Hollywood that this movie is about
is nonexistent.

1161
01:36:39,043 --> 01:36:41,713
I mean, there's a few stars
that maybe try to live

1162
01:36:41,796 --> 01:36:43,965
like this, Sharon Stone
comes to mind, actually.

1163
01:36:44,048 --> 01:36:46,467
And I believe Sharon Stone
and Faye Dunaway are friends.

1164
01:37:01,149 --> 01:37:04,527
It's like Stockholm syndrome.

1165
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:07,780
Basically, after you've been
with Joan Crawford,

1166
01:37:07,864 --> 01:37:11,075
finally your will is bent and broken.

1167
01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:12,285
It's like any cult.

1168
01:37:12,368 --> 01:37:14,412
It's like her mother
was Jim Jones here.

1169
01:37:14,495 --> 01:37:16,456
She would have drank the Kool-Aid
in this scene.

1170
01:37:22,086 --> 01:37:25,173
Look at the thorns,
you see it, like, quite heavily.

1171
01:37:43,483 --> 01:37:45,693
Christina, today, I mean, I know
that she appeared

1172
01:37:45,777 --> 01:37:48,321
in San Francisco, at the Castro Theatre

1173
01:37:48,404 --> 01:37:51,282
to a very predominantly
gay audience and...

1174
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:55,620
And talked about it,
and I thought that she said

1175
01:37:55,703 --> 01:37:56,871
she was never going to do that again.

1176
01:37:56,954 --> 01:37:59,624
So I think later in life...
What does she do right now?

1177
01:37:59,707 --> 01:38:00,708
I mean, is she...

1178
01:38:01,793 --> 01:38:03,711
Does she tour still talking about this?

1179
01:38:03,795 --> 01:38:05,505
Did she finally
get it out of her system?

1180
01:38:05,588 --> 01:38:06,589
I don't know.

1181
01:38:09,967 --> 01:38:11,969
And when you read the book,
you really did hate her mother.

1182
01:38:12,053 --> 01:38:14,347
And at the end, which it has a good end

1183
01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:16,724
when she gets back at her.

1184
01:38:20,478 --> 01:38:22,688
And you get the last word.
It happens all the time now,

1185
01:38:22,772 --> 01:38:24,690
when people are dead.
Later they come out.

1186
01:38:24,774 --> 01:38:26,776
They're too afraid to say it
when they're alive.

1187
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,574
Bette Davis's daughter
did it right after this.

1188
01:38:35,743 --> 01:38:37,286
And didn't even tell her mother
she was doing it.

1189
01:38:37,370 --> 01:38:38,579
And her mother heard.

1190
01:38:40,540 --> 01:38:42,291
And I'm sure it was true.

1191
01:38:42,375 --> 01:38:46,838
You know, movie stars are sometimes
very difficult to have children,

1192
01:38:49,841 --> 01:38:52,885
I always said I'm not a movie star,
but I'd be a terrible father.

1193
01:38:52,969 --> 01:38:55,179
I'm a good uncle,
you know, I'll get you an abortion,

1194
01:38:55,263 --> 01:38:56,264
I'll get you out of jail,

1195
01:38:56,347 --> 01:38:57,765
all the things your parents
don't need to know.

1196
01:38:57,849 --> 01:39:00,476
My brother and sister are probably
glad I would be the one to do that.

1197
01:39:01,352 --> 01:39:02,562
But I don't want one.

1198
01:39:06,816 --> 01:39:08,776
So they can write
one of these books about you.

1199
01:39:32,758 --> 01:39:35,678
Joan Crawford didn't live
in the real world ever.

1200
01:39:35,761 --> 01:39:37,013
And movie stars don't.

1201
01:39:37,096 --> 01:39:39,557
They live in this little vacuum of fame

1202
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,435
that goes around,
and handlers are with them all day.

1203
01:39:42,518 --> 01:39:46,439
So it's very hard for them
to get confused about what is love,

1204
01:39:46,522 --> 01:39:49,859
how would you show love to a daughter

1205
01:39:49,942 --> 01:39:52,153
when you are so afraid

1206
01:39:52,236 --> 01:39:54,113
that it's all going to disappear
in one night?

1207
01:40:13,841 --> 01:40:15,426
She's a control freak, that's all.

1208
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:18,429
And she just has to bend
everyone's will around her

1209
01:40:18,513 --> 01:40:21,224
or else everything will fall apart.

1210
01:40:21,682 --> 01:40:22,975
That's her fear.

1211
01:40:26,437 --> 01:40:29,732
All control freaks are looking
for the person they can't control.

1212
01:40:32,318 --> 01:40:35,404
And when they find them,
they think they found the right person

1213
01:40:35,488 --> 01:40:36,822
and it's a disaster.

1214
01:40:44,664 --> 01:40:47,708
It's amazing that
Christina didn't rebel.

1215
01:40:47,792 --> 01:40:50,002
I mean, by becoming an actress,
in a way...

1216
01:40:52,630 --> 01:40:54,715
It is rebelling, in a way,
because your mother...

1217
01:40:54,799 --> 01:40:57,260
Well, who would know that your mother
would come and do what she does here?

1218
01:40:57,343 --> 01:40:59,512
I mean, that's true insanity.

1219
01:41:17,738 --> 01:41:19,907
It's another thing,
when she was poor, when she was young.

1220
01:41:19,991 --> 01:41:22,118
That's a common thing
that parents later do,

1221
01:41:22,201 --> 01:41:23,703
even if they're rich.

1222
01:41:27,456 --> 01:41:30,418
And if Christina had never asked her,

1223
01:41:30,501 --> 01:41:32,253
she would have gotten along
with her better.

1224
01:41:45,057 --> 01:41:46,058
Great costumes.

1225
01:41:46,142 --> 01:41:48,394
I mean, I remember seeing
Joan Crawford in that exact coat,

1226
01:41:48,477 --> 01:41:49,937
it seems like, or maybe...

1227
01:41:50,021 --> 01:41:52,148
I always say that
you don't remember a movie,

1228
01:41:52,231 --> 01:41:53,691
you remember the movie stills.

1229
01:41:53,774 --> 01:41:55,818
And maybe you don't remember real life,

1230
01:41:55,901 --> 01:41:58,529
you just remember
the still from this movie.

1231
01:41:58,613 --> 01:42:01,240
I don't know. You get it so confused
of what's real

1232
01:42:01,324 --> 01:42:02,491
and what you really remember.

1233
01:42:02,783 --> 01:42:05,036
Because she's so good
at being Joan Crawford.

1234
01:42:27,933 --> 01:42:30,645
I was not an old movie fan,
I was a new movie fan.

1235
01:42:31,103 --> 01:42:32,813
I really didn't see
old movies till later,

1236
01:42:32,897 --> 01:42:34,732
and like, when they had rep houses,

1237
01:42:34,815 --> 01:42:36,192
which they don't even have anymore.

1238
01:42:36,275 --> 01:42:38,653
I mean, now of course,
the rep houses are the DVDs,

1239
01:42:38,986 --> 01:42:43,032
but I was much more interested
in seeing new exploitation movies,

1240
01:42:43,115 --> 01:42:45,368
and underground movies
and foreign films.

1241
01:42:46,243 --> 01:42:49,080
And I would go see them in New York,
certainly at the Saint Mark's Place,

1242
01:42:49,163 --> 01:42:52,375
a theater that had triple bills
of old movies.

1243
01:42:53,793 --> 01:42:56,712
And that's where, you know,
today you'd rent the DVDs and see it,

1244
01:42:56,796 --> 01:42:58,464
but that's the only place
you could see them then.

1245
01:42:58,547 --> 01:42:59,799
And sometimes on television.

1246
01:42:59,882 --> 01:43:02,802
Like, <i>Million Dollar Movie</i>
in the afternoon was probably

1247
01:43:02,885 --> 01:43:05,763
where I saw Joan Crawford's movies.

1248
01:43:18,984 --> 01:43:19,985
But <i>Mommie Dearest</i>

1249
01:43:20,069 --> 01:43:24,156
made me certainly more interested
in Joan Crawford, certainly.

1250
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,867
I probably went and saw
some of her movies

1251
01:43:26,951 --> 01:43:28,369
after I read <i>Mommie Dearest,</i>

1252
01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:32,081
'cause <i>Mommie Dearest,</i> when the book
came out was, of course, a giant hit.

1253
01:43:38,504 --> 01:43:41,173
I've written about William Castle,
and I never met him,

1254
01:43:41,257 --> 01:43:44,552
but I did meet his widow
and his daughter,

1255
01:43:44,635 --> 01:43:47,596
and I wrote the introduction
to his book when it was republished.

1256
01:43:48,264 --> 01:43:50,683
I was a big fan
of William Castle's, certainly,

1257
01:43:50,766 --> 01:43:53,894
and at the end, when he did gimmicks
in every movies

1258
01:43:53,978 --> 01:43:55,396
and finally, at the very end,
they said,

1259
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:56,647
"Well, you can't do gimmicks anymore."

1260
01:43:56,731 --> 01:43:57,982
So, he hired Joan Crawford,

1261
01:43:58,065 --> 01:44:00,234
which in a way
was the biggest gimmick of all,

1262
01:44:00,484 --> 01:44:02,862
and she went and appeared
in every city at openings,

1263
01:44:02,945 --> 01:44:05,364
and then he would put seatbelts
on the seat,

1264
01:44:05,448 --> 01:44:07,074
so you wouldn't be shocked
out of your seat,

1265
01:44:07,158 --> 01:44:08,868
which is a kind of a pitiful gimmick.

1266
01:44:08,951 --> 01:44:12,079
But she was...
Movie stars are gimmicks, really.

1267
01:44:13,998 --> 01:44:17,001
Here's when she's going to say
the other famous line, it's coming up.

1268
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:22,006
She looks great there.

1269
01:44:23,924 --> 01:44:27,094
Rather inappropriate jewelry
to wear in the daytime.

1270
01:44:42,026 --> 01:44:44,612
It's almost like her head's
gonna spin around, The Exorcist.

1271
01:44:44,695 --> 01:44:46,739
It's like Linda Blair scenes.

1272
01:45:43,546 --> 01:45:44,547
She's great here.

1273
01:45:44,630 --> 01:45:47,341
It's funny, though. I mean,
people did laugh in this scene,

1274
01:45:47,424 --> 01:45:49,218
but we loved hearing her talk dirty.

1275
01:45:49,301 --> 01:45:53,889
It was also surprising then to have
someone say the word fuck in a movie.

1276
01:45:54,223 --> 01:45:56,100
And now it's in every movie.

1277
01:45:56,183 --> 01:46:00,604
But then, that was a jolting moment
and a funny moment at the same time.

1278
01:46:18,998 --> 01:46:23,919
So she's only encouraged to act meaner
for the rest of her life

1279
01:46:24,003 --> 01:46:25,462
when she is rewarded.

1280
01:46:46,233 --> 01:46:47,610
That's totally fake.

1281
01:46:47,693 --> 01:46:50,529
And I think it works in this movie,
because it's about Hollywood

1282
01:46:50,613 --> 01:46:52,489
and it's about not living in reality.

1283
01:46:52,573 --> 01:46:54,700
I mean, sometimes I say
that when I'm on a press tour,

1284
01:46:54,783 --> 01:46:56,035
they say,
"Well, what did you do in that city?"

1285
01:46:56,118 --> 01:46:58,704
And I'll say, "I was never
in the real world for a moment.

1286
01:46:58,787 --> 01:47:00,205
I was in an air-conditioned suite.

1287
01:47:00,289 --> 01:47:03,709
I was in a Town Car doing phone
interviews on the way to a junket

1288
01:47:03,792 --> 01:47:04,793
and a premiere.

1289
01:47:04,877 --> 01:47:07,379
And then I was..." I don't know,
it could be anywhere.

1290
01:47:07,463 --> 01:47:09,798
You don't have a moment
where it's real,

1291
01:47:09,882 --> 01:47:11,342
and this whole movie is like that.

1292
01:47:27,358 --> 01:47:28,525
The hair is great here.

1293
01:47:28,609 --> 01:47:30,527
And did this movie even get

1294
01:47:30,611 --> 01:47:33,447
Academy Award nominations
for costumes or hair, anything?

1295
01:47:33,530 --> 01:47:34,740
Because it would have.

1296
01:47:34,823 --> 01:47:37,117
It's the kind of movie
that I'm sure they expected it to.

1297
01:47:37,409 --> 01:47:39,495
And in the old days it might have.

1298
01:47:40,412 --> 01:47:42,581
But it went too far for,
like, Academy members

1299
01:47:42,665 --> 01:47:44,166
saying "Fuck" and that kind of stuff.

1300
01:48:07,856 --> 01:48:10,818
I remember vaguely
when Joan Crawford really did do this

1301
01:48:10,901 --> 01:48:12,111
when she was on a soap opera,

1302
01:48:12,194 --> 01:48:13,362
and I had fans...

1303
01:48:13,946 --> 01:48:16,949
I had friends that watched it
and were howling and everything.

1304
01:48:17,032 --> 01:48:18,283
And so I do remember about it.

1305
01:48:18,367 --> 01:48:21,078
It was... people were incredulous

1306
01:48:21,161 --> 01:48:22,746
that she would have done that
at the time.

1307
01:48:26,125 --> 01:48:29,753
Now she's just openly drinking
in the day in front of her daughter.

1308
01:48:38,012 --> 01:48:40,305
That hairdo
was a normal hairdo in Baltimore.

1309
01:48:40,389 --> 01:48:41,974
I mean, they all had hair like that.

1310
01:48:42,057 --> 01:48:44,268
You got your hair done twice a week,
and you never washed it,

1311
01:48:44,351 --> 01:48:45,394
you had it combed out

1312
01:48:45,477 --> 01:48:47,563
and you slept with your hair
outside the bed...

1313
01:48:48,188 --> 01:48:49,398
or wrapped in toilet paper.

1314
01:48:49,481 --> 01:48:52,443
That was the modest hairdo
for some of them that I remember.

1315
01:48:59,074 --> 01:49:02,077
And I think that
Diana is so good in this,

1316
01:49:02,161 --> 01:49:04,329
that it really lent
a lot of credibility to it.

1317
01:49:04,413 --> 01:49:07,249
I mean, because even when you're
about to laugh, you think...

1318
01:49:07,332 --> 01:49:09,626
She's quite touching, I think.

1319
01:49:35,402 --> 01:49:36,487
So, she tries.

1320
01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:40,699
There's moments
when she comes back down to earth.

1321
01:49:43,702 --> 01:49:45,079
That's all she knows, really.

1322
01:49:45,162 --> 01:49:47,664
And she never would
give her anything before.

1323
01:49:47,748 --> 01:49:49,166
So, by giving her the pearls, I mean,

1324
01:49:49,249 --> 01:49:51,877
you know, I don't believe,
even watching this movie,

1325
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:54,797
it's very believable to me
that this character would never think

1326
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:56,215
she did one thing
wrong to her daughter.

1327
01:49:56,298 --> 01:49:59,593
She did everything to make her
a better person, 'cause she loved her.

1328
01:50:00,886 --> 01:50:05,224
And I believe that Joan Crawford
completely believed that.

1329
01:50:05,933 --> 01:50:07,893
And I think Faye
is playing it like that.

1330
01:50:18,821 --> 01:50:21,865
But it's odd to make a movie
where the star is the villain.

1331
01:50:22,074 --> 01:50:23,951
That's what throws people off.

1332
01:50:24,034 --> 01:50:25,536
I mean, I do it all the time,

1333
01:50:25,619 --> 01:50:29,039
but the villain, at the end,
is somebody that you like.

1334
01:50:29,123 --> 01:50:32,209
But here she doesn't get better.

1335
01:50:32,292 --> 01:50:33,544
She gets meaner and meaner.

1336
01:50:33,627 --> 01:50:35,129
And she's the central character...

1337
01:50:36,046 --> 01:50:40,717
which is fairly rare,
unless it's Jaws or something...

1338
01:50:41,844 --> 01:50:42,845
or Godzilla,

1339
01:50:42,928 --> 01:50:45,472
but she's a movie star monster in this.

1340
01:51:00,154 --> 01:51:03,240
I always see pictures
in the Enquirer today of Faye Dunaway

1341
01:51:03,323 --> 01:51:04,741
out with rollers in her hair,

1342
01:51:04,825 --> 01:51:07,953
so, I think it's a look that Faye kept.

1343
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:29,808
And I guess it looks weird,

1344
01:51:29,892 --> 01:51:31,685
but those costumes are very realistic

1345
01:51:31,768 --> 01:51:33,437
from the period and the time,

1346
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,439
and those hairdos and all
are not exaggerations.

1347
01:51:35,522 --> 01:51:37,399
I guess, If you see them today
and you're a young person,

1348
01:51:37,482 --> 01:51:40,068
you can't imagine that anyone
ever actually looked like that.

1349
01:51:41,820 --> 01:51:43,322
They looked worse in Baltimore.

1350
01:52:13,393 --> 01:52:15,270
Now we have disease too. That always...

1351
01:52:15,354 --> 01:52:16,772
You know, the melodrama of this,

1352
01:52:16,855 --> 01:52:19,107
in a way,
it is like a soap opera, certainly.

1353
01:53:04,903 --> 01:53:06,905
They didn't have agents,
the movie stars, really,

1354
01:53:06,989 --> 01:53:07,990
like the kind they have now,

1355
01:53:08,073 --> 01:53:09,574
where the agents can fight for you
and everything.

1356
01:53:09,658 --> 01:53:10,826
You had to fight for yourself.

1357
01:53:10,909 --> 01:53:12,327
I mean, the scene when she gets fired,

1358
01:53:12,411 --> 01:53:14,079
today, certainly,
the head of the studio

1359
01:53:14,162 --> 01:53:15,247
would call your agent

1360
01:53:15,330 --> 01:53:16,581
and they'd fight it out,

1361
01:53:16,665 --> 01:53:17,874
and you would settle

1362
01:53:18,041 --> 01:53:19,042
and everything would have been done

1363
01:53:19,126 --> 01:53:22,337
before you had to be in that
horribly embarrassing situation.

1364
01:53:22,421 --> 01:53:24,756
The studios owned them completely.

1365
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:28,135
They had no free will
about their careers.

1366
01:53:28,218 --> 01:53:31,930
So, basically, they needed
to be the newest model.

1367
01:53:32,014 --> 01:53:35,309
It was like, if you were a Buick
or a Chrysler with General Motors.

1368
01:53:35,392 --> 01:53:39,354
You had to be the car of the year
and you had to stay popular,

1369
01:53:39,438 --> 01:53:41,857
which was probably even harder then,

1370
01:53:41,940 --> 01:53:43,317
because they put in bad movies

1371
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:44,651
that you wouldn't have chosen yourself.

1372
01:53:44,735 --> 01:53:47,821
Today, at least you can choose
what movies you want to be in,

1373
01:53:47,904 --> 01:53:48,905
at least try to.

1374
01:54:33,992 --> 01:54:35,160
See this here.

1375
01:54:35,243 --> 01:54:38,288
She played the part drunk too.

1376
01:54:51,676 --> 01:54:54,346
You see, she's trying to
look at the cue card...

1377
01:54:56,348 --> 01:54:57,641
"Oh, no, Mother."

1378
01:55:02,979 --> 01:55:04,940
Now I wonder,
I would like to see this footage

1379
01:55:05,023 --> 01:55:06,942
to see, was she this bad?

1380
01:55:20,497 --> 01:55:21,748
But she really did do that.

1381
01:55:33,552 --> 01:55:35,470
It's drinkin' on the set while...

1382
01:55:36,888 --> 01:55:38,598
I had an actress that did that once.

1383
01:55:38,682 --> 01:55:40,058
You try to discourage it.

1384
01:55:54,906 --> 01:55:58,076
Divine loved this movie.
I probably saw it with Divine.

1385
01:56:01,288 --> 01:56:04,040
And Divine would totally
be on Joan Crawford's side.

1386
01:56:12,132 --> 01:56:13,341
She should have gotten an earwig.

1387
01:56:13,425 --> 01:56:15,719
That's what a lot of actors do today
that can't remember their lines.

1388
01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:17,137
There's big stars that do that.

1389
01:56:17,220 --> 01:56:18,597
They have somebody
whispering it to them.

1390
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:21,766
And their timing's a little off,
but that's why.

1391
01:56:23,185 --> 01:56:25,604
They just didn't have the technology
to deal with this.

1392
01:56:39,075 --> 01:56:40,827
I bet a lot of people
watched the soap opera.

1393
01:56:40,911 --> 01:56:43,497
I bet the ratings were high
when she did do this.

1394
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:46,082
So, it was good for herself
and good for the show

1395
01:56:46,166 --> 01:56:47,542
and terrible for her daughter,

1396
01:56:47,626 --> 01:56:49,753
something that she was
incapable of seeing, I guess.

1397
01:56:49,836 --> 01:56:52,047
She thought she was
doing her daughter a big favor.

1398
01:56:55,884 --> 01:56:58,220
Instead, she's almost killing her.

1399
01:57:16,404 --> 01:57:17,781
Wasn't it, Jean Rhys, the writer,

1400
01:57:17,864 --> 01:57:18,865
I read a biography of her,

1401
01:57:18,949 --> 01:57:21,326
and supposedly,
she was so horrible to her children,

1402
01:57:21,409 --> 01:57:23,578
when they were around,
they would just pass out

1403
01:57:23,662 --> 01:57:24,829
when they were talking to her...

1404
01:57:25,247 --> 01:57:26,248
from abuse.

1405
01:57:26,331 --> 01:57:27,374
She wouldn't touch 'em or anything,

1406
01:57:27,457 --> 01:57:30,877
from verbal abuse
they would just give up and faint

1407
01:57:30,961 --> 01:57:32,254
because she was so mean.

1408
01:57:49,104 --> 01:57:51,606
Bette Davis wanted to work
till the day she died.

1409
01:57:51,690 --> 01:57:54,109
I think even so than Joan Crawford.

1410
01:57:54,192 --> 01:57:55,235
They wanna keep working.

1411
01:57:55,318 --> 01:57:57,487
But you know, Bette Davis
in <i>The Whales of August</i>

1412
01:57:57,571 --> 01:57:58,613
was not humiliating.

1413
01:57:58,697 --> 01:58:00,031
It was no <i>Trog.</i>

1414
01:58:00,824 --> 01:58:03,660
But certainly, when you're used
to that, when that's all you know,

1415
01:58:03,743 --> 01:58:04,869
and they started so early,

1416
01:58:04,953 --> 01:58:07,747
and they've never been in a real world
for a moment in their life,

1417
01:58:07,831 --> 01:58:09,291
the real world is scary.

1418
01:58:09,374 --> 01:58:11,251
Melanie Griffith told me
once while we were making a movie,

1419
01:58:11,334 --> 01:58:13,878
that she only feels safe
on a movie set.

1420
01:58:14,170 --> 01:58:15,255
And I feel the opposite

1421
01:58:15,338 --> 01:58:17,382
because there's so much pressure
and anxiety

1422
01:58:17,465 --> 01:58:19,676
about making the movie,
and it was amazing to me,

1423
01:58:19,759 --> 01:58:22,345
and I think that what she meant
is there is no real world.

1424
01:58:22,429 --> 01:58:23,805
Nothing bad can happen to you

1425
01:58:23,888 --> 01:58:25,765
because people are there to protect you

1426
01:58:25,849 --> 01:58:28,351
and people of real life can't get in.

1427
01:58:45,702 --> 01:58:47,621
Her employees stayed a long time.

1428
01:58:48,913 --> 01:58:50,332
She certainly kept her assistant,

1429
01:58:50,415 --> 01:58:52,584
something that doesn't happen
too often today.

1430
01:58:56,087 --> 01:58:58,590
That middle picture,
I mean, that's really great

1431
01:58:58,673 --> 01:59:00,425
because it really looks
like the real thing.

1432
01:59:00,508 --> 01:59:03,345
I mean, you get confused
if that is Joan Crawford or not.

1433
01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:13,855
That's like Marilyn Monroe's bed...

1434
01:59:14,481 --> 01:59:16,608
you know, where they found her dead,
just like on the floor,

1435
01:59:16,691 --> 01:59:18,401
and not even a bed, just a box spring,

1436
01:59:18,485 --> 01:59:21,154
and pills and liquor bottles around.

1437
01:59:36,086 --> 01:59:40,048
Joan is very William Castle there.
Very <i>Strait-Jacket.</i>

1438
02:00:12,122 --> 02:00:13,248
She wasn't a hypocrite.

1439
02:00:13,331 --> 02:00:14,916
She meant well, that's the thing.

1440
02:00:14,999 --> 02:00:16,710
She thinks she did the right thing.

1441
02:00:16,793 --> 02:00:18,294
Look, she's very moved.

1442
02:00:18,378 --> 02:00:19,379
She loves her daughter.

1443
02:00:19,462 --> 02:00:21,089
That's the only way
she knows how to do it.

1444
02:00:25,135 --> 02:00:29,222
And the daughter's still
under the Stockholm syndrome.

1445
02:00:30,140 --> 02:00:32,016
Everybody's under
the Stockholm syndrome

1446
02:00:32,100 --> 02:00:33,435
with their parents, in a way.

1447
02:00:34,018 --> 02:00:36,062
When you go home,
you always act a little differently

1448
02:00:36,146 --> 02:00:37,188
than you do in real life.

1449
02:00:37,272 --> 02:00:38,690
I love to meet people
with their parents.

1450
02:00:38,773 --> 02:00:41,943
It's shocking sometimes, they
completely change their character.

1451
02:01:06,426 --> 02:01:07,510
And it's about Joan,

1452
02:01:07,594 --> 02:01:10,555
so she was happy
as long of was about Joan.

1453
02:01:23,693 --> 02:01:25,779
I don't remember
Joan Crawford's funeral though.

1454
02:01:25,862 --> 02:01:27,822
I remember Judy Garland's funeral,

1455
02:01:27,906 --> 02:01:30,283
but I actually don't remember
Joan Crawford's.

1456
02:01:47,926 --> 02:01:51,012
I wonder if there's cultists,
as we speak, at her grave.

1457
02:02:00,897 --> 02:02:02,482
And that is what people look like
in the coffin.

1458
02:02:02,565 --> 02:02:05,485
That's why I have in my will
that I have a closed coffin.

1459
02:02:05,985 --> 02:02:08,154
They're not getting my mustache
on wrong.

1460
02:02:13,117 --> 02:02:16,246
You'd think Joan would have wanted
a closed coffin too because...

1461
02:02:17,121 --> 02:02:19,123
somebody might get her eyebrows
on wrong...

1462
02:02:20,166 --> 02:02:22,794
Look, they have the full magic marker.

1463
02:02:30,468 --> 02:02:32,679
This is a great imitation
of life moment.

1464
02:03:16,431 --> 02:03:18,057
I always think when you die

1465
02:03:18,141 --> 02:03:21,269
and the funeral parlor calls
other necrophiliacs and says,

1466
02:03:21,352 --> 02:03:24,397
"Joan Crawford's body is here,
it's $100,000

1467
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:26,941
and you got 20 hours."

1468
02:03:28,151 --> 02:03:30,320
That's what happens
when you're dead and famous.

1469
02:03:35,491 --> 02:03:36,910
I think it happens to all of them.

1470
02:03:38,995 --> 02:03:41,497
It's the final indignity of fame.

1471
02:03:42,582 --> 02:03:45,627
It's a short window and a high price...

1472
02:03:47,837 --> 02:03:50,924
for necrophiliacs all around the world.

1473
02:03:51,716 --> 02:03:53,301
And if you are a necrophiliac,

1474
02:03:53,384 --> 02:03:55,094
where else are you going to meet people

1475
02:03:55,178 --> 02:03:56,804
unless you work in a funeral home?

1476
02:04:03,937 --> 02:04:04,938
She did.

1477
02:04:06,940 --> 02:04:08,441
Till after the book came out.

1478
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:36,511
I actually think
it's a really good ending

1479
02:04:37,136 --> 02:04:38,596
because she has forgiven her.

1480
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:40,390
She's tried to love her
until she hears this

1481
02:04:40,473 --> 02:04:42,892
final one slap from beyond the grave,

1482
02:04:42,976 --> 02:04:45,353
which it really is,
I mean it's really evil.

1483
02:04:52,568 --> 02:04:54,362
And when she says "for reasons"...

1484
02:04:58,408 --> 02:05:00,243
She's great here, her reaction. Just...

1485
02:05:04,914 --> 02:05:06,207
This is a good directorial.

1486
02:05:06,290 --> 02:05:08,167
She didn't start screaming
or something.

1487
02:05:31,357 --> 02:05:32,525
I think it's a great ending

1488
02:05:32,608 --> 02:05:34,652
because no, she wrote this book

1489
02:05:34,736 --> 02:05:37,363
and made this movie
and she got her back.

1490
02:05:38,114 --> 02:05:40,867
I don't think it solved
her emotional problems, though.

1491
02:05:46,664 --> 02:05:48,041
She didn't have to say it twice.

1492
02:05:48,124 --> 02:05:49,208
We got it.

1493
02:05:51,669 --> 02:05:53,588
But still, a movie

1494
02:05:53,671 --> 02:05:56,340
that you could watch
over and over at home.

1495
02:05:56,424 --> 02:05:58,760
You know, it's hard to imagine
going to see it in a theater today.

1496
02:05:58,843 --> 02:06:01,554
It's really the kind of movie
you should watch in your house...

1497
02:06:03,306 --> 02:06:04,682
with friends or alone.

1498
02:06:04,766 --> 02:06:05,767
It's a good thing to can put on.

1499
02:06:05,850 --> 02:06:07,310
You can leave the room,
you can come back in,

1500
02:06:07,393 --> 02:06:09,645
and it's still always
something there...

1501
02:06:10,980 --> 02:06:14,525
that's kind of glamorous
in a ridiculous way,

1502
02:06:14,609 --> 02:06:16,986
which is maybe
the point of all Hollywood.

1503
02:06:25,703 --> 02:06:27,747
Or maybe it's the kind of movie
you watch

1504
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:30,291
where you're ordering others
to clean up.

1505
02:06:37,507 --> 02:06:39,634
I think when
I've seen this movie again,

1506
02:06:39,717 --> 02:06:41,302
it never disappoints me.

1507
02:06:43,596 --> 02:06:45,515
This is one special

1508
02:06:45,598 --> 02:06:48,309
that you can watch,
certainly with special friends.

1509
02:06:48,392 --> 02:06:51,270
It would be a terrible
first-date movie, I think.

1510
02:06:52,605 --> 02:06:54,232
And someone would think you were insane

1511
02:06:54,315 --> 02:06:56,109
if you pick this
as the first date to show.

1512
02:06:56,192 --> 02:06:59,028
"You wanna go see <i>Mommie Dearest?"</i>
"Oh, great."

1513
02:06:59,278 --> 02:07:02,156
But certainly if you've known
somebody for a long time,

1514
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:05,576
and it's a good movie on a Saturday
if you don't go out

1515
02:07:05,660 --> 02:07:08,412
or a Sunday day when you're just
lying around the house.

1516
02:07:08,496 --> 02:07:10,248
I always think
a little bit of a hangover,

1517
02:07:10,331 --> 02:07:12,500
a little bit of boredom
and nothing to do.

1518
02:07:12,583 --> 02:07:13,584
"Let's watch <i>Mommie Dearest,"</i>

1519
02:07:13,668 --> 02:07:15,294
and it's almost like you have
your own midnight show.

1520
02:07:15,378 --> 02:07:16,379
You have your own,

1521
02:07:16,462 --> 02:07:19,006
even though it never really did
become a cult movie.

1522
02:07:20,091 --> 02:07:21,342
They tried to make it one.

1523
02:07:21,425 --> 02:07:24,262
I don't remember it
ever being a midnight hit, certainly.

1524
02:07:24,887 --> 02:07:27,431
It was too much of a Hollywood movie
to become that.

1525
02:07:28,391 --> 02:07:30,768
It was too polished really, to...

1526
02:07:31,144 --> 02:07:34,063
If it was a low-budget movie,
which it never could have been,

1527
02:07:34,147 --> 02:07:35,731
it might have been a cult movie.

1528
02:07:36,732 --> 02:07:39,777
The only place I remember seeing it
shown was in gay bars all the time.

1529
02:07:39,861 --> 02:07:40,862
They always have it running,

1530
02:07:40,945 --> 02:07:42,488
and they repeat scenes,

1531
02:07:42,572 --> 02:07:45,241
and VJs love to use footage from it
and everything.

1532
02:07:46,492 --> 02:07:48,995
And I think it will remain
a gay classic,

1533
02:07:49,078 --> 02:07:50,746
even though the subject is,

1534
02:07:50,830 --> 02:07:53,040
as far as I see,
never once brought up in the movie.

1535
02:07:53,833 --> 02:07:58,921
It's a role that all people
can laugh with, I think,

1536
02:07:59,005 --> 02:08:02,383
and enjoy it as a great
old-fashioned Hollywood movie

1537
02:08:02,466 --> 02:08:04,010
that they just don't make any more.

1538
02:08:07,263 --> 02:08:09,015
This is a movie that I've always loved

1539
02:08:09,098 --> 02:08:11,767
and be quite proud to be
on the commentary for it.

1540
02:08:51,724 --> 02:08:52,725
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