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This is it.

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l'm standing on the very spot

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where many Christians believe
the world will come to an end.

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lt's called Megiddo.

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And it's the place that
the Book of Revelation says

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Jesus Christ
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to end the world and save
the people who believe in him.

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Now when Revelations
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only God had the capacity
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but now man does too,
because unfortunately,

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before man figured out
how to be rational

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or peaceful, he figured out
nuclear weapons

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and how to pollute
on a catastrophic scale.

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And if it's one thing
l hate more than prophecy,

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it's self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Sometimes in your search
for happiness,

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you ponder the meaning
of your life.

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Who am l?
How did l come to be?

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Death, and then what?

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l certainly honestly believe

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religion is detrimental

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to the progress
of humanity.

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You know, it's just selling
an invisible product.

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lt's too easy.

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These questions
about what happens when you die,

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they so freak people out

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that they will
just make up any story

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and cling to it.

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You know, things that they know

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can't be true,
people who are otherwise

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so rational about everything else,

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and then they believe that

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on Sunday
they're drinking the blood

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of a 2,000-year-old God.

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l can't--
that's a dissonance in my head.

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l can't-- l have to find out.

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l just have to find out.
l have to try.

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This is the Mount of Olives.
This is Jesus's footprints.

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We're here freezing our ass off.

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ls there anybody on the stage that

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- does not believe in evolution?
- Yeah.

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Hurry hurry hurry.

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- l like my hat.
- You look good too.

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Welcome to Bible Country!

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''Birthplace of the Virgin Mary''?

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l believe that God wants
everybody to be free.

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That's what l believe,

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and that's one part
of my foreign policy.

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Bill, watch out.

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Boy, do l feel cheap.

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l want to thank God
for just blessing me so much.

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Music has been
a blessing from God.

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Thank you, Jesus!

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You need a Holy Ghost enema
right up your rear end!

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The archives are there on the fifth
floor where you see the curtains.

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Yeah, put that away now.
Put that away.

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lf you look at my stand-up

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from like the '80s-- that era--

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early '90s,

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l talked about religion,
but l'm not ever questioning God.

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l'm just making fun
about things

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in the religion--
circumcision.

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Circumcision--
l mean, l would've loved

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to have been there for
the first people to hear about this.

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We're used to it now,
but you know, l mean,

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l'm sure when Moses came
down with this idea,

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there had to be one guy going,

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''Let me get this straight.''

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lt was just
a gentle poking fun at Him.

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lt's almost like
l'm roasting Him.

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My mother is Jewish and my father
is Catholic. That is the truth.

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l was raised Catholic formally,

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although l must say
the Jewish mind comes out

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even in the Catholic system.
l'll give you an example.

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We used to go into confession

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and l would bring
a lawyer in with me.

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You know.

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Bless me, Father,
for l have sinned.

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l think you know Mr. Cohen.

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So let me get out some pictures.

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There's me.

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We weren't brought up Jewish.

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l didn't even know
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so it was very Catholic.

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We went to church
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but l wouldn't take off the gun

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and really when l think back,

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it wasn't relevant
to my life.

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Superman was relevant
and baseball.

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We had this family

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where one person
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and the other three
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Now there it says
''A Sunday noon, fall '66,''

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so we must've
just gotten back from church,

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'cause l'm in a red suit

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and you're choking the dog.

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And l guess we got home from church
and took a picture with you.

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lt never occurred to me to say,

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''Why didn't you go to church?''

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Mom...

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what church do we belong to?

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l don't remember
this ever coming up.

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Of course you didn't go
to church with us.

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No, we never had a family
discussion about it, never.

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We never had
a family discussion about that.

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Every family is dysfunctional.

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So you thought even this,
which wasn't your religion,

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was better than no religion.

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Well, even this only
told you good things...

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l thought.

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But it's just so shamelessly
invented as they go along.

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- We can say that now.
- Was anyone--

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When we quit
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and l was of course thrilled,
but not for any ideological reason.

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l was just thrilled
'cause l hated church.

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lt scared me.
lt was boring.

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l had to get up
on Sunday.

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l was 1 3.

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l would've worshiped anything
that could've allowed me

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to masturbate even more
than l was masturbating

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or get a girl. That god l would have
definitely worshipped.

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Why do you remember

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Dad stopped going to church?

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We used birth control,

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and the church frowned
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That was the biggest sin

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- you could ever commit.
- Right, that would--

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l think that was possibly--
he never said it to me.

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And he never went back.
None of us ever did.

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So now that we don't believe,

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where did--

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Nobody said we don't believe.

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We don't believe in Catholicism.

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Right, but what do
we believe in now?

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Come on.
You're my mother, instruct me.

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l don't know
the answer to that.

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That's my answer.

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We'll take some back roads to see

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- some interesting stuff out here.
- Take some back roads.

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We are heading toward Raleigh, right?

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Oh, yeah, man, can't you feel it?

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Do l stand up here?
So as l was going here,

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l just jotted down
a few questions that came to my mind.

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Are you ever bothered
by many things

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that are in Christianity
that are not in the Bible?

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Like original sin.

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lmmaculate conception.

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The virgin birth is only
in two of the Gospels-- popes.

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Are you worried that these things
came not from the founders,

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the people that wrote
this book, but from--

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and this is indisputable--
but from men,

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from human beings
who came after?

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And when l say men,
l mean people with penises.

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lf you wanna go back
to scientific proof,

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l think it was determined
the shroud or whatever that was

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went around a while back--
l didn't get involved.

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- Shroud of Turin?
- They took blood samples from it,

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and it was female blood
with a male figure.

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Okay, the only possible way
that could happen was

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that the Holy Ghost
impregnated Mary

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because it would've
been female blood

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because it would've been
the only blood flowing through her.

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- lt's a faith thing.
- But why is faith good?

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Why is believing something
without evidence good?

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l don't like the way
this thing's going.

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l don't know what
this documentary's supposed to be,

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but l don't like
where you're going.

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You start disputing my God,

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and you got a problem.
l don't know what you--

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l'm outta here. You do what
you wanna do, but l'm outta here.

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- l'm just asking questions.
- Okay, no problem.

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When l've seen what l've seen,
l know there's a God.

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You can't change my mind.
Nobody can change my mind.

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l walked for 30 years
as a Satanist priest.

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From the time l grew up,
l was in Satanism.

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For the last six years,
that l was into Satanism,

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l was a Satanist priest, okay?

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- Real Satanism?
- Yes, real Satanism.

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Being addicted to drugs,
and running prostitutes

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and the women
and everything that goes with that.

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l walked around with rolls
of money in my pocket.

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l gave all that up
when l got saved.

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When the guy said,
''Yeah, l used to do drugs.

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l used to have women,''
and l'm thinking,

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- ''And your problem was?''
- Right.

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Let me ask you this question:

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What if we're right
and you're wrong?

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We gonna make it
and you ain't.

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lf you're being good
just to save your ass

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just because,
''Ooh, they might be right

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and l just want
to double down here

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and make sure that
when l get up to the pearly gates,

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that St. Peter doesn't say to me,

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'Sorry, asshole,
you had the wrong religion.

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Enjoy Hell, buh-bye.'''

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That's not a good reason,
and you know that.

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Come on, believe in Jesus.
What do you have to lose?

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lt's like the lotto.

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You can't get saved
if you don't play.

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Yeah, you could be right.
l don't think it's very likely,

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but, yes, you could be right,
because my big thing is l don't know.

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That's what l preach.

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l preach the gospel
of l don't know!

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l mean that's what
l'm here promoting-- doubt.

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- That's my product.
- Right.

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The other guys are
selling certainty, not me.

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l'm on the corner
with doubt.

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So, Dr. Collins,

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you are a brilliant
brilliant scientist,

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the head
of the Human Genome Project.

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Now here's what's
so puzzling is that you are

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the one scientist--

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the one famous scientist anyway--

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who's also religious.
Explain that to me.

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l would argue that
if you look at the evidence,

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the historical evidence
of Christ's existence is overwhelming.

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What evidence?

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l mean, l've never even heard
anyone propose that there's evidence.

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There's been proof
that there's a Jesus.

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- That's been proven.
- That hasn't been proven.

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How you figure that one?

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When l read the New Testament,

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it reads to me
as the record of eyewitnesses

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who put down what they saw.

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You know
they weren't eyewitnesses.

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- They were close to that.
- No.

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Within a couple
of decades of eyewitnesses.

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- Okay.
- Would that stand up in a laboratory

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as absolute foolproof evidence

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that something happened?

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You are setting up
a standard for proof

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that l think would really be
an almost impossible standard to meet.

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No gospel tells us what he was
doing when he was a young man.

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You know,
we see Jesus as an infant

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and then we kind of pick up
the story when he's 30.

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l think Jesus was probably
an awkward teenager--

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big Jewfro,
bad at sports.

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Here l am!

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The records we have
are all gospels.

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Gospels are not history.

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Gospel writers never met Jesus,
neither did St. Paul.

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No one who wrote
about Jesus ever met him.

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How can you go back
into the prophets

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and the prophets specifically
specifies that certain things--

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Well, first of all,

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the New Testament came after
the Old Testament. We agree to that?

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l agree to that,
but that doesn't mean anything.

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All it means is the people that
wrote the New Testament

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read the Old Testament
and then made the prophesies fit.

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They can't make it fit
if something didn't happen.

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Of course they can.

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Then you're saying
the Bible is fictitious?

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- l am.
- Can't be.

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l am.

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We do all know that
those texts don't match.

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Yeah, sure.
Would you expect them to?

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l'm surprised that things
that are very important to the story

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like the virgin birth
isn't in all four of them.

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Wouldn't you really expect
that kind of discordance when you're

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thinking about the way in which
these documents came into being?

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But you'd think if you were
one of Christ's biographers,

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that would be sort
of an important thing not to leave out.

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Oh, God,
he was also born of a virgin.

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They don't notice the virgin birth.

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You know, l think that is something
if you were any sort of reporter

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you'd put into the story.

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What editor looks at the facts and goes,
''Yeah, but take out the thing

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about the virgin birth.
That's not interesting.''

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l think being without faith

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is something that's a luxury

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for people who were
fortunate enough

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to have a fortunate life.

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You know, you go to prison

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and you hear a guy say,
''You know what, buddy?

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l got nothing but Jesus in here.''

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l completely understand that.

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l think not having faith
is a luxury sometimes.

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lf you're in a foxhole,
you probably have a lot of faith, right?

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- Mm-hmm.
- So l get that.

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But you guys aren't dumb.
You're smart people.

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How can smart people--

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how can they believe
in the talking snake,

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people living to 900 years old
and the virgin birth?

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And you know,
that's my question.

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You guys have
your own questions.

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Pray for me.

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Father, in the name of Jesus
and by the power of the Holy Spirit,

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we ask right now, Lord,
as we lift up Bill to You, Father,

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that You can answer his questions
that we can't answer.

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Father, we thank You
right now for the opportunity

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that has come today,

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that we may voice
our opinions and hear others.

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So we ask You, Lord, to touch

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and feel wisdom right now
in the name of Jesus.

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And we thank You for it
in Jesus's name, amen.

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Thank you for being Christlike,
and not just Christian.

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Okay. Hey, my wallet!

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No, l'm kidding.

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You see so many nice people
trying to make it about

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something good

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and yet it turns
into not just corrupt,

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but, like, fucking-little-kids corrupt

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and burning-people-alive cor--

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l mean, really evil shit.

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l'd like to see 10,000 people

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give $10,000.

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Write your biggest check
and send it in.

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We got people on welfare that's got
enough faith to make a $1,000 vow

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- and paying it!
- l want to be in the green, Lord!

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What l'm about
to say is revelation.

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l got it on DVD.
And l have it on DVD.

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And you need to get this. Hallelujah!

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Hallelujah!

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Reverend.
ls that what l call you?

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No, just call me... doctor.

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- Doctor?
- Yeah.

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All right, Doc. First of all,
l have to tell you, when l heard that

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you were in Harold Melvin
and the Blue Notes,

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l was like, ''That's my man.''

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And it's funny,
because that lyric

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can be interpreted religiously.

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''lf you don't know me
by now.'' Right?

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l mean, you must've thought of that.

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The song did go platinum.

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Teddy Pendergrass,
who led the song,

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he was ordained a minister
when he was 10 years old.

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What do you think
it says about religion

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and how serious it is

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if you can be a minister
when you're 10?

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But there is a comparison
to be made between

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musical stars, rock stars

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and religious figures.
They very often both dress

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- in elaborate costumes...
- Mm-hmm.

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...that get people's attention.

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People in a congregation

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must know that
the outfit was financed

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by their donations,
and it doesn't seem to bother them.

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l always dress well.

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l see! Are those gators?

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Those are lizards.

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- Lizards?
- Yes.

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- What do they run?
- They don't run. They crawl.

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And l see you got a lot of bling.

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l like gold.
The people want you to look well.

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That's what pimps say
about their women.

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l was told by one of the greatest pimps
that ever lived--

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his name is called God--

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that if you know what you got,

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then you ain't got much.

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Jesus dressed very well.

351
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Oh, come on.

352
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- Where is the Biblical evidence?
- Wait a minute.

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When he was born,
they brought him gold.

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They brought him gold.
He was not poor.

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So my image of Jesus as a man

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who championed the poor
and walked around

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in simple garb, that's wrong?

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lt was linen.
lt was fine linen.

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- Really?
- Yeah.

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But Jesus constantly preaches
against rich people.

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The Bible does not speak
against being rich.

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- Jesus does. Very plainly.
- No no.

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Jesus was very
very against the rich.

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He never preached against being poor.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for--

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No, he preached
against being rich.

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No no no, he said that
it's better for a rich man--

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than a rich man to enter--

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lt is easier for a camel to go
through the eye of a needle

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than for a rich man
to enter the Kingdom.

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Okay, but now things
like houses and cars

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and clothes and money,

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they come as a result

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of my seeking God first.

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l don't remember that

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in the New Testament specifically.

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But it's there. l remember it.

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The houses, the cars

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and the clothes, they'll come.

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Yeah, money comes,
money happens, you know.

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Well, money happens for you
because they're giving it up to you.

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You're not giving it up to them.

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Let me set the record straight.

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l do not receive
a salary from the church.

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l do not take a salary
from the church.

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- You take it right out of the pot.
- No no no.

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lt's such a powerful position.

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l mean, you hold people's

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greatest hopes and dreams
in the palm of your hand, really.

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Certainly, some of the young women
must get a crush on you.

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Probably. l would too
if l was out there.

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lf l was a woman, l'd probably
have a crush on me, too.

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That's keepin' it real.

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00:19:13,674 --> 00:19:17,374
Now l can advise other young men
about women, because l've been there.

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l had a young man who was
about to go crazy over a woman.

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He was about
to kill himself, you know?

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l said, ''That kind of passion,
you should have for God.''

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l said, ''Turn that to God
and see what happens.''

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St. Paul, for example,
whom l know you compare yourself to.

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People do.

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But he famously
only wore on his back

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the clothes that he owned.

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00:19:42,376 --> 00:19:43,976
- Should l assume that this is--
- He was always on the run.

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00:19:43,976 --> 00:19:47,676
This is your only $2,000 suit?

404
00:19:47,676 --> 00:19:49,777
The gentleman who made
this suit for me

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owns a clothing store.

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00:19:51,877 --> 00:19:54,177
Mr. Kane, you in the house?

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00:19:54,177 --> 00:19:56,977
The prices that l get
my clothes for--

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00:19:56,977 --> 00:19:59,777
- you know, l'm blessed in that area.
- Yes, you are.

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l'm more blessed than
l've ever been all the days of my life.

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And the owner is a Muslim,
which-- l came out of lslam.

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00:20:06,878 --> 00:20:10,578
l know, l think it's very interesting
that you're a Christian now,

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you were a Muslim
and when you get your clothes,

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you buy them like a Jew.

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And action!

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That's right-- behind me and above me
is the original Twin Cities,

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Sodom and Gomorrah.

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00:20:23,479 --> 00:20:25,779
Apparently, it was
a pretty wicked place.

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How wicked?

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Well let's just say that
what happened in Gomorrah,

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stayed in Gomorrah.

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That is until God got wind of it,

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so he sent two angels
to investigate.

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Now the angels went to the house

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of the one godly man in town-- Lot.

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And the townspeople tried
to rape them.

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Now Lot,

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not wanting his town
to get the reputation

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as the kind of place
that would rape angels,

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offered up to the mob
his own daughters to rape.

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And he was
the good guy in town.

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00:21:03,781 --> 00:21:05,882
Which brings me
to this question:

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lf l ever had to swear an oath,

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00:21:09,182 --> 00:21:11,182
why would l want to put my hand

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00:21:11,282 --> 00:21:14,282
on the King James Bible?

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00:21:14,282 --> 00:21:17,482
l think l could find more morality
in the Rick James Bible.

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00:21:20,783 --> 00:21:22,983
God hates fags.

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00:21:22,983 --> 00:21:26,683
The Constitution does not
grant to homosexuals

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the right to perform sodomy.

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00:21:28,383 --> 00:21:30,583
- l'm a monk.
- A monk.

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Franciscan.

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00:21:32,283 --> 00:21:34,283
What do you think
of homosexuality?

442
00:21:34,283 --> 00:21:36,684
Do you think that's--
the Bible is against it.

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00:21:36,684 --> 00:21:38,284
No, the Bible is not against it.

444
00:21:38,284 --> 00:21:40,284
The Bible's not
against homosexuality?

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lf you are born homosexual,
you are to stay there.

446
00:21:43,384 --> 00:21:45,984
- You have to be happy.
- But that's what the Bible says?

447
00:21:46,084 --> 00:21:48,684
What the Bible means to say, yeah.

448
00:21:48,684 --> 00:21:50,585
Oh, what the Bible means to say!

449
00:21:50,585 --> 00:21:52,685
Now that's a good book.

450
00:21:52,685 --> 00:21:54,785
lt preaches the rock-solid truth.

451
00:21:54,885 --> 00:21:56,385
You are faggots!

452
00:21:56,385 --> 00:21:59,785
l don't hate them.
God hates them.

453
00:21:59,785 --> 00:22:02,585
- Hey, Bill.
- How are you? Nice to meet you.

454
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Okay. Okay.

455
00:22:05,586 --> 00:22:08,986
So of course, the reason
why we're here is because you're--

456
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l guess we would say, ex-gay.

457
00:22:11,486 --> 00:22:13,486
You used to be gay

458
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and then you married someone
who used to be a lesbian.

459
00:22:16,286 --> 00:22:19,386
And you have three children,
and l guess the jury's out on them.

460
00:22:21,487 --> 00:22:24,987
Okay, and would you say
it's just like any other marriage

461
00:22:25,087 --> 00:22:27,187
of 14 years--
you never have sex?

462
00:22:27,287 --> 00:22:29,487
Oh, funny. Ha ha. Got that.

463
00:22:29,587 --> 00:22:33,187
l don't classify myself
as ex-gay, you know?

464
00:22:33,187 --> 00:22:35,488
l'm a heterosexual guy
who dealt

465
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with some homosexuality.

466
00:22:39,188 --> 00:22:42,288
Okay, so the people
who come here are people

467
00:22:42,288 --> 00:22:44,188
who are wanting to do what you did.

468
00:22:44,188 --> 00:22:48,188
They want to reform their life
and lead a heterosexual life.

469
00:22:48,188 --> 00:22:51,289
But l will be honest with you.
The reality's a lot of people come here

470
00:22:51,389 --> 00:22:54,289
and go right back
into whatever they came from.

471
00:22:54,389 --> 00:22:57,389
- Because they're gay!
- l believe that it's sin.

472
00:22:57,389 --> 00:23:01,189
Excuse me, but don't you have it,
no pun intended, ass-backwards?

473
00:23:01,289 --> 00:23:02,889
Meaning?

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Meaning homosexuality

475
00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:08,190
is something that occurs in nature.

476
00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:10,990
l was out bird watching,
but l'd rather watch you.

477
00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:12,590
Why don't you come over
and get some?

478
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:15,890
Man is who wrote
the Bible.

479
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:18,190
Nature made gay people.

480
00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:20,891
Nobody's born gay.
There's no scientific or--

481
00:23:20,891 --> 00:23:23,591
Really? Have you ever met
Little Richard?

482
00:23:23,591 --> 00:23:26,191
We can look at creation and say,
''What's the normal order?''

483
00:23:26,291 --> 00:23:28,391
A man has a penis.
A woman has a vagina.

484
00:23:28,491 --> 00:23:30,091
Let's just be blunt.

485
00:23:30,091 --> 00:23:32,391
There's no scientific
data that proves

486
00:23:32,491 --> 00:23:34,891
that anyone is--
there's no gay gene.

487
00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:36,692
And you also discovered
the gay gene?

488
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,492
Yes.

489
00:23:38,592 --> 00:23:40,892
This is all coming from the Bible
which you believe...

490
00:23:40,892 --> 00:23:43,392
- Right.
- ...to be the word of God.

491
00:23:43,392 --> 00:23:45,692
- l do.
- All of the proscriptions

492
00:23:45,692 --> 00:23:49,292
against homosexuality come
from the Old Testament.

493
00:23:49,292 --> 00:23:51,693
Jesus never said a word
about homosexuality.

494
00:23:51,793 --> 00:23:53,993
And if it's so important,
why didn't he ever bring it up?

495
00:23:53,993 --> 00:23:56,793
We could pick lots of little things

496
00:23:56,893 --> 00:23:58,893
that he didn't
specifically talk about.

497
00:23:58,893 --> 00:24:02,693
- But this is a big thing.
- Let me stop this whole thing.

498
00:24:02,693 --> 00:24:05,594
You know, l'm not sure what
your documentary is about,

499
00:24:05,694 --> 00:24:09,594
but if it's to basically refute
the word of God,

500
00:24:09,694 --> 00:24:12,594
then l'm not interested
in doing your interview, okay?

501
00:24:12,594 --> 00:24:14,994
- Well, l--
- l think that

502
00:24:14,994 --> 00:24:17,094
obviously you don't have
the same relationship

503
00:24:17,094 --> 00:24:19,094
with Jesus Christ that l do.

504
00:24:19,094 --> 00:24:22,895
But what is your explanation
for the millions and millions of people

505
00:24:22,995 --> 00:24:24,595
around the world who are

506
00:24:24,595 --> 00:24:26,795
- leading homosexual lives...
- Well, it's not millions.

507
00:24:26,795 --> 00:24:30,795
...have no interest in anyone
of the opposite sex?

508
00:24:30,795 --> 00:24:33,295
Are they all faking
just to piss off Jesus?

509
00:24:33,395 --> 00:24:35,796
They didn't choose this.
They didn't desire it.

510
00:24:35,796 --> 00:24:37,296
Right, they were born gay.

511
00:24:37,396 --> 00:24:39,296
No, they weren't born that way.

512
00:24:39,296 --> 00:24:42,496
lt's because of the insecurity
within theirselves.

513
00:24:42,496 --> 00:24:46,096
lt takes a lot of security to walk out
of the house with assless chaps.

514
00:24:46,096 --> 00:24:49,496
- They're not happy, most of them.
- They're called gay.

515
00:24:49,596 --> 00:24:51,097
They took the word.

516
00:24:51,197 --> 00:24:53,297
Some of them look positively thrilled.

517
00:24:58,997 --> 00:25:01,497
No, they are people who
are really not complete

518
00:25:01,597 --> 00:25:03,197
in who they are
as men or women.

519
00:25:03,197 --> 00:25:06,198
That's a pretty big judgment
for a Christian.

520
00:25:06,198 --> 00:25:08,198
- lt's not a judgment.
- That's not a judgment?

521
00:25:08,198 --> 00:25:10,498
That you are sitting here
telling these people

522
00:25:10,498 --> 00:25:13,098
who you don't even know
that they're incomplete

523
00:25:13,098 --> 00:25:14,598
because they're not like you?

524
00:25:14,698 --> 00:25:17,298
l mean, it's not the people you suspect

525
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:18,898
that are gay, that are gay.

526
00:25:18,898 --> 00:25:21,499
People like
the Reverend Ted Haggard...

527
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:23,899
Moral purity is better than immorality.

528
00:25:23,899 --> 00:25:27,399
...who kept meeting
homosexual prostitutes in a hotel room

529
00:25:27,399 --> 00:25:30,999
and having gay sex with speed.

530
00:25:30,999 --> 00:25:33,799
Evangelicals have the best
sex life of any other group.

531
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:37,700
- Good Morning, Duane!
- But he wasn't gay?

532
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,700
l already answered that.

533
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,800
l don't believe that
anybody is gay.

534
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:44,600
l don't know,
but honestly, if l just saw you

535
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:48,300
in a bar or something, l would say--
and don't take this the wrong way--

536
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
l would say, ''Yeah,
l think that guy is gay.''

537
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,801
You're good looking.
You're neat, you know.

538
00:25:53,901 --> 00:25:56,501
- You don't look like me.
- Meaning?

539
00:25:56,601 --> 00:25:58,301
Meaning...

540
00:26:21,003 --> 00:26:22,903
- All right, thank you.
- Can l give you a hug?

541
00:26:23,003 --> 00:26:24,203
- Yes!
- l hug everybody,

542
00:26:24,303 --> 00:26:25,503
so can l give you a hug?

543
00:26:27,103 --> 00:26:29,003
- Thanks.
- Thank you very much.

544
00:26:29,103 --> 00:26:31,003
Hey, you didn't have
a hard-on there, did you?

545
00:26:31,103 --> 00:26:34,003
Nope, sorry. Can't do that.

546
00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:38,304
That was good, though.

547
00:26:38,304 --> 00:26:41,704
When l was 17,
my first girlfriend dumped me,

548
00:26:41,704 --> 00:26:45,104
and l was sad in a way
l'd never been sad.

549
00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:48,004
You know,
your first dumping is the worst.

550
00:26:48,004 --> 00:26:50,304
And at that point,
you're very vulnerable

551
00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:53,305
to any sort of connection

552
00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:55,205
with, you know--

553
00:26:55,305 --> 00:26:57,805
l didn't get like Jesus-religious,

554
00:26:57,905 --> 00:27:00,305
but l did think a force out there

555
00:27:00,305 --> 00:27:03,605
was communicating to me
through song lyrics or--

556
00:27:03,605 --> 00:27:07,006
numerology l was
very interested in for a while.

557
00:27:07,006 --> 00:27:10,906
You said you were groping
for something at that time.

558
00:27:10,906 --> 00:27:13,406
You know, you make up
an imaginary friend who loves you,

559
00:27:13,406 --> 00:27:15,806
is sympathetic to you
and has a plan for you.

560
00:27:15,806 --> 00:27:19,206
lt's much more important.
He didn't have to love me, God,

561
00:27:19,206 --> 00:27:21,207
He just had
to be working for me.

562
00:27:21,207 --> 00:27:22,707
You know, He's like an agent.

563
00:27:22,807 --> 00:27:25,507
So you are an ex-Jew for Jesus.

564
00:27:25,507 --> 00:27:27,007
That is correct.

565
00:27:27,007 --> 00:27:30,907
Now what made you to decide
to be a follower of Christ?

566
00:27:31,007 --> 00:27:33,307
What brought Christ
into your life?

567
00:27:33,307 --> 00:27:36,508
Back in '75,

568
00:27:36,608 --> 00:27:38,608
l went to Michigan
State University.

569
00:27:38,608 --> 00:27:42,008
- $2,700?
- Yeah, it's pricey.

570
00:27:42,108 --> 00:27:44,808
Boy, l wonder what Madonna
without the child runs you.

571
00:27:44,808 --> 00:27:47,508
So getting back to my story,
l could ask God

572
00:27:47,508 --> 00:27:50,408
to do things in the name
of Jesus and they would happen.

573
00:27:50,408 --> 00:27:53,809
So l can't even recall
all the little miracles He did,

574
00:27:53,809 --> 00:27:57,209
but He proved to me that
He was real and He was there.

575
00:27:57,309 --> 00:28:00,009
They were so miraculous
and you can't remember what they were?

576
00:28:00,009 --> 00:28:01,709
There were so many of them
and they were little things.

577
00:28:01,709 --> 00:28:04,509
- Give me an example.
- One example l can remember was

578
00:28:04,509 --> 00:28:05,809
l was at a party.

579
00:28:05,809 --> 00:28:08,510
There was a guy who was working
with Jews for Jesus,

580
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:11,810
and l asked him,
''Can l get a drink of water?''

581
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,710
And he says,
''You know what? Here's a glass,

582
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:16,710
stick your hand out the window
and pray for rain.''

583
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:19,510
l didn't like the attitude.

584
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:21,110
l said okay,

585
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:24,311
and l stuck my hand out the window
and it started pouring rain.

586
00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:28,011
Pouring so bad that people
couldn't leave the party.

587
00:28:28,111 --> 00:28:30,311
To me, that's a miracle.
You don't have to believe it,

588
00:28:30,411 --> 00:28:33,511
- but l know between me and God--
- lt is pretty lame.

589
00:28:33,511 --> 00:28:36,312
- But you asked.
- l asked, but l'm just saying

590
00:28:36,312 --> 00:28:39,312
- that's my reaction to your answer.
- But that's just one of many things.

591
00:28:39,312 --> 00:28:41,412
l live a life of miracles.

592
00:28:41,412 --> 00:28:45,312
No, you live your life with the same
sort of mundane coincidences

593
00:28:45,312 --> 00:28:47,112
that happen to everybody
in the world.

594
00:28:47,212 --> 00:28:51,012
lt's not like,
you know, if it rained frogs,

595
00:28:51,012 --> 00:28:52,613
l would say you had a point.

596
00:28:52,713 --> 00:28:54,613
But it rains, and it stops raining.

597
00:28:54,713 --> 00:28:56,813
Well, when was the last time
you asked for rain

598
00:28:56,913 --> 00:28:58,513
and it starting raining
within 10 seconds?

599
00:28:58,513 --> 00:29:00,313
l don't know.
l don't ever ask for rain.

600
00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:02,613
But if l asked for it really bad
and it started to rain,

601
00:29:02,713 --> 00:29:04,113
l wouldn't think it was
because l asked for it.

602
00:29:04,213 --> 00:29:06,614
l would think
because it sometimes rains.

603
00:29:06,614 --> 00:29:09,114
God is not that busy

604
00:29:09,214 --> 00:29:11,214
where He can't spend time
listening to you

605
00:29:11,314 --> 00:29:13,114
when you really want
to talk to Him, anytime.

606
00:29:13,114 --> 00:29:15,714
lf Santa Claus can hit
every house in the world

607
00:29:15,714 --> 00:29:17,914
- in one night--
- l don't believe in Santa Claus.

608
00:29:17,914 --> 00:29:20,814
Of course not, that's ridiculous.
That's one man flying

609
00:29:20,914 --> 00:29:23,415
all around the world and dropping
presents down a chimney.

610
00:29:23,515 --> 00:29:26,215
That's ridiculous.
One man hearing everybody murmur

611
00:29:26,315 --> 00:29:28,615
to him at the same time, that l get.

612
00:29:30,415 --> 00:29:32,715
And you know what else
was very confusing to me?

613
00:29:32,815 --> 00:29:34,815
l remember vividly

614
00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:37,716
was Santa Claus

615
00:29:37,816 --> 00:29:40,616
- and Jesus.
- You were so mad at us.

616
00:29:40,716 --> 00:29:43,716
- Oh, yes.
- So mad at you, why? Oh, when--

617
00:29:43,716 --> 00:29:46,816
When you realized there
was no Santa Claus.

618
00:29:46,816 --> 00:29:49,516
And then when l found out
there was no Jesus,

619
00:29:49,616 --> 00:29:52,117
boy, was l pissed.

620
00:29:52,117 --> 00:29:54,717
You spoke before in certitude.

621
00:29:54,717 --> 00:29:56,717
You're 100% sure
that after you die,

622
00:29:56,817 --> 00:29:59,017
you'll go to a better place.

623
00:29:59,017 --> 00:30:01,917
l know l'll be with God.
l'll be with Jesus.

624
00:30:01,917 --> 00:30:03,717
And that's a better place.

625
00:30:03,717 --> 00:30:06,317
Even if it was in a garbage can,

626
00:30:06,417 --> 00:30:08,318
which l know it won't be,
but even if it was,

627
00:30:08,418 --> 00:30:11,118
just the fact that
l'm with Jesus, to me, is good.

628
00:30:11,218 --> 00:30:13,218
- lt's a better place.
- lt's a better place.

629
00:30:13,318 --> 00:30:16,818
Then why don't you kill yourself?

630
00:30:16,818 --> 00:30:18,618
Because God still has
a mission for me here.

631
00:30:18,618 --> 00:30:19,818
Oh, l see.

632
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:23,419
l'm thinking of Jonah.
God sent Jonah on a mission.

633
00:30:23,419 --> 00:30:26,319
When did the part of the story come
when Jonah lived in the whale?

634
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,319
lt was a great fish.

635
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,319
lt's one of my favorite
nonsense stories,

636
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,519
Jonah living inside
of the whale.

637
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,319
And their answer unfailingly is

638
00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:39,720
''The Bible doesn't say whale.
lt says big fish.''

639
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720
Oh, yeah, big fish,
that makes--

640
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:45,220
l'm sorry l was obsessing
on that it was a whale. lt's a big fish.

641
00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:46,920
Of course you could live
for three days in a big fish.

642
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,820
A tuna.

643
00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:51,921
They do it all the time in Japan.
They have tuna spas.

644
00:30:52,021 --> 00:30:55,221
You go for three days.
They pamper you, oils.

645
00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:58,621
You come out of that tuna
feeling fantastic.

646
00:30:58,621 --> 00:31:00,221
You smell like pussy,

647
00:31:00,221 --> 00:31:03,521
but you feel fantastic.

648
00:31:03,521 --> 00:31:06,321
This man lived inside
of a fish for three days?

649
00:31:06,421 --> 00:31:09,322
Miraculously, yes.

650
00:31:09,322 --> 00:31:11,822
Steve, Steve, Steve.

651
00:31:11,922 --> 00:31:13,622
You don't believe in miracles.

652
00:31:13,722 --> 00:31:16,322
- That doesn't mean they don't exist.
- Of course not!

653
00:31:16,422 --> 00:31:17,922
l'm not 10!

654
00:31:18,022 --> 00:31:19,922
He lived in a fish.

655
00:31:19,922 --> 00:31:22,623
Come on.

656
00:31:22,623 --> 00:31:25,923
Your bar on miracles is pretty low,
l gotta tell you, bro.

657
00:31:25,923 --> 00:31:27,923
Well, whatever.

658
00:31:28,023 --> 00:31:30,523
Two things that are
completely incompatible

659
00:31:30,523 --> 00:31:33,723
are Christianity
as Jesus taught it

660
00:31:33,823 --> 00:31:35,723
- and nationalism...
- Right. Exactly.

661
00:31:35,723 --> 00:31:39,024
...and yet people always
say God and country.

662
00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:41,724
Jesus would never--
you know,

663
00:31:41,724 --> 00:31:43,524
people who are
such good Christians--

664
00:31:43,624 --> 00:31:46,324
in one breath you'll hear them
say something like,

665
00:31:46,424 --> 00:31:48,324
''Well, you gotta take care
of your own first.

666
00:31:48,324 --> 00:31:51,124
l know people overseas have trouble,
but you gotta take''--

667
00:31:51,124 --> 00:31:55,025
that is not a message l can ever see
the Jesus in the Bible,

668
00:31:55,025 --> 00:31:58,025
even when he was
in a bad mood, would say.

669
00:32:02,125 --> 00:32:03,325
l'm gonna vote Bible.

670
00:32:03,325 --> 00:32:04,925
lt's time for God's people to come

671
00:32:04,925 --> 00:32:08,126
out of the closets,
out of the churches

672
00:32:08,126 --> 00:32:09,926
and change America!

673
00:32:10,026 --> 00:32:11,626
Unless you and l do
what God wants us to do,

674
00:32:11,626 --> 00:32:13,826
he'll go to some other country.

675
00:32:13,826 --> 00:32:16,126
God, forgive America!

676
00:32:16,226 --> 00:32:20,126
l would probably have to say yes,
that the Constitution established

677
00:32:20,226 --> 00:32:22,927
the United States of America
as a Christian nation.

678
00:32:23,027 --> 00:32:25,527
We have, of course,
''ln God We Trust'' on our money.

679
00:32:25,627 --> 00:32:26,827
The Senate will come to order.

680
00:32:26,827 --> 00:32:28,027
The chaplain will lead
the Senate in prayer.

681
00:32:33,227 --> 00:32:36,927
How did this country
get to be a Christian nation?

682
00:32:37,028 --> 00:32:39,428
l've read a lot of quotes
from all the Founding Fathers.

683
00:32:39,528 --> 00:32:41,228
There are a lot of quotes
that explicitly say

684
00:32:41,228 --> 00:32:43,428
we're not a Christian nation.

685
00:32:55,429 --> 00:32:57,729
And Jefferson's
a particularly interesting case.

686
00:32:57,729 --> 00:33:01,429
Didn't he write his own Bible
which divorced the New Testament

687
00:33:01,429 --> 00:33:04,729
from what he considered
the unnecessary magic,

688
00:33:04,729 --> 00:33:06,429
bells and whistles?

689
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:08,530
He took the Gospels,

690
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:10,630
took out all of Jesus's miracles

691
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:12,430
and took out
all of Jesus's statements

692
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:14,730
that claimed divinity,

693
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:17,030
and put out a new book called
''The Faith and Moral Teachings

694
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:18,530
of Jesus of Nazareth.''

695
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:21,630
We tend to lionize these guys
and think of them all

696
00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:24,931
as the 1 2 Apostles
plus the Founding Fathers,

697
00:33:25,031 --> 00:33:27,231
like they're in the same
club or something.

698
00:33:27,331 --> 00:33:29,931
When in fact,
these men understood very well

699
00:33:29,931 --> 00:33:32,231
that there was a difference
between being Christian

700
00:33:32,231 --> 00:33:34,131
and being American.

701
00:33:34,131 --> 00:33:36,331
- Right.
- ln Jefferson's age, fewer people went

702
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,232
to church less often.

703
00:33:39,232 --> 00:33:41,632
Do you think that there
are a lot of people

704
00:33:41,632 --> 00:33:44,632
who feel the way you do,
but are afraid to speak out?

705
00:33:44,632 --> 00:33:46,432
Absolutely. Are you kidding?

706
00:33:46,432 --> 00:33:49,832
Yes, l think it is
the great untapped minority

707
00:33:49,832 --> 00:33:51,532
in this country.

708
00:33:51,632 --> 00:33:53,133
ln the last survey,

709
00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:56,733
l think it was 16% of Americans

710
00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:59,733
who now say they are
absolutely unaffiliated

711
00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:02,433
with any religion,
don't want to be in a religion,

712
00:34:02,433 --> 00:34:04,233
just don't go near me
with religion.

713
00:34:04,233 --> 00:34:07,233
16% of the population is

714
00:34:07,233 --> 00:34:10,234
a huge minority.
lt's bigger than Jews,

715
00:34:10,234 --> 00:34:14,134
blacks, homosexuals,
NRA members,

716
00:34:14,234 --> 00:34:16,734
lots of people you could name
who have lobbies

717
00:34:16,734 --> 00:34:19,234
that get everything they want

718
00:34:19,334 --> 00:34:23,235
or are at least are in the debate.

719
00:34:23,235 --> 00:34:25,335
You want me to kinda angle
like this or straight ahead?

720
00:34:25,435 --> 00:34:27,635
Just as natural as possible to Bill.

721
00:34:27,635 --> 00:34:30,835
So you've described yourself
as an Evangelical Christian.

722
00:34:30,935 --> 00:34:34,335
You did a campaign ad where you said
the most important lessons in life

723
00:34:34,435 --> 00:34:37,335
are in this book right here,
meaning the Bible.

724
00:34:37,335 --> 00:34:41,136
Everyone in politics likes
to brag that they're a person of faith.

725
00:34:41,136 --> 00:34:43,736
Why is faith good?

726
00:34:43,836 --> 00:34:45,836
Faith has a way

727
00:34:45,836 --> 00:34:48,136
of softening people.

728
00:34:48,136 --> 00:34:51,436
For example, if you look at the
teachings of Jesus, he's very forgiving.

729
00:34:51,436 --> 00:34:53,537
He also said,
''lf a man doesn't abide in me,

730
00:34:53,537 --> 00:34:56,437
he is cast forth
as a branch and withers,

731
00:34:56,437 --> 00:35:00,037
and the branches are gathered,
thrown into the fire and burned.''

732
00:35:00,037 --> 00:35:03,437
Right. So?

733
00:35:03,437 --> 00:35:05,337
l do think, 'cause l'm a Christian,

734
00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:08,138
that Jesus is the way
to be reconciled.

735
00:35:08,138 --> 00:35:12,838
And l do believe
the actual literacy of that story.

736
00:35:12,838 --> 00:35:17,338
We'll let God sort out all the details
of that on Judgment Day.

737
00:35:17,338 --> 00:35:19,038
What about
the 10 Commandments?

738
00:35:19,138 --> 00:35:22,438
So many politicians talk
about the 10 Commandments.

739
00:35:22,438 --> 00:35:24,639
Are they really the 10 most

740
00:35:24,739 --> 00:35:27,139
- important moral--
- Are these the 10 suggestions?

741
00:35:27,139 --> 00:35:29,639
The 10 recommendations?

742
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,039
But it's not really a wide list of 10.

743
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,039
The first four are all

744
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,339
about just worshipping God
and basically that he's a jealous God,

745
00:35:37,439 --> 00:35:39,540
and he doesn't want you
to have any other gods.

746
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,640
The only two that are really laws

747
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,740
are don't steal and don't kill.

748
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:46,040
Why is this the wisest group of 10?

749
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,740
lt doesn't include child abuse.
lt doesn't include don't torture.

750
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:51,840
lt doesn't include
a lot of things-- rape--

751
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:54,741
that l think if we were
making a list today,

752
00:35:54,741 --> 00:35:56,441
we would probably include.

753
00:35:56,441 --> 00:35:58,841
Society is so different today

754
00:35:58,841 --> 00:36:01,341
and our culture is
so radically different today.

755
00:36:01,441 --> 00:36:03,941
That's what l'm asking.
We're in a different culture.

756
00:36:04,041 --> 00:36:07,641
Can you think of anything else that
we still cleave to from the Bronze Age?

757
00:36:07,641 --> 00:36:09,542
Well...

758
00:36:28,543 --> 00:36:31,243
Basically, murder is against the law
in every country in the world.

759
00:36:31,343 --> 00:36:34,343
But wouldn't we have come
to that even without religion?

760
00:36:34,343 --> 00:36:37,043
Don't you think people would
have gotten together and said,

761
00:36:37,043 --> 00:36:39,144
''You know what?
Let's not slaughter each other

762
00:36:39,244 --> 00:36:42,944
- and not take each other's stuff.''
- l don't know.

763
00:36:42,944 --> 00:36:45,744
There's been more killing
in the name of ''My God.''

764
00:36:45,844 --> 00:36:49,244
You think maybe sort of indigously

765
00:36:49,244 --> 00:36:51,444
or just by our DNA,

766
00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:54,345
we somehow know that killing
another person is wrong?

767
00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:56,945
l'm not sure that that's the case.

768
00:36:57,045 --> 00:36:59,745
Really, you need God
to decide not to kill each other?

769
00:36:59,745 --> 00:37:03,145
Well, you can look back
at more primitive cultures,

770
00:37:03,145 --> 00:37:06,845
and they were constantly at war.

771
00:37:10,946 --> 00:37:14,446
We are now, among industrialized,
modern nations,

772
00:37:14,446 --> 00:37:16,746
the most religious nation.

773
00:37:16,746 --> 00:37:18,846
A recent study found that

774
00:37:18,846 --> 00:37:20,946
among 32 countries,

775
00:37:20,946 --> 00:37:23,547
more people in this country
doubted evolution

776
00:37:23,647 --> 00:37:27,347
than any other country on that list,
except, l think, it was Turkey.

777
00:37:27,347 --> 00:37:29,747
ln the US,
we have freedom of religion.

778
00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:32,047
l think most of the countries on
that list do have freedom of religion.

779
00:37:32,147 --> 00:37:34,047
Well, that's interesting.

780
00:37:34,047 --> 00:37:35,347
Do you believe in evolution?

781
00:37:35,347 --> 00:37:38,248
You know my-- l don't know.

782
00:37:38,248 --> 00:37:41,048
Clearly the scientific community's
a little divided

783
00:37:41,048 --> 00:37:44,448
on some of the specifics
of that and l understand that.

784
00:37:44,448 --> 00:37:47,248
- l don't think they are.
- No no-- well--

785
00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:49,348
l think they pretty much agree.

786
00:37:49,348 --> 00:37:51,248
l don't know how it all happened.

787
00:37:51,248 --> 00:37:54,249
l'm certainly willing to accept
the scientific premise.

788
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:56,949
lt couldn't possibly
have been Adam and Eve

789
00:37:57,049 --> 00:38:00,149
5,000 years ago with a talking snake
and a garden, could it?

790
00:38:00,249 --> 00:38:01,849
Well, it could've
possibly been that.

791
00:38:01,949 --> 00:38:04,449
Come on.
See, this is my problem.

792
00:38:04,549 --> 00:38:06,849
l mean, you're a senator.

793
00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:09,150
You are one
of the very few people

794
00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:10,950
who are really
running this country.

795
00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:14,950
lt worries me that people are
running my country who think--

796
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:16,650
who believe
in a talking snake.

797
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:19,350
You don't have to pass an lQ test
to be in the Senate, though.

798
00:38:29,051 --> 00:38:31,851
As you first come
into the Creation Museum,

799
00:38:31,951 --> 00:38:33,351
there's going to be a sense

800
00:38:33,451 --> 00:38:35,151
of ''This is something really big.''

801
00:38:35,151 --> 00:38:38,252
This is something awe-inspiring,
something great here.

802
00:38:38,352 --> 00:38:40,752
We can answer the questions
of the skeptics

803
00:38:40,852 --> 00:38:42,552
that attack
the Bible's history.

804
00:38:42,552 --> 00:38:45,252
We admit that we start
from the Bible here

805
00:38:45,252 --> 00:38:46,852
to teach them how to think.

806
00:38:46,852 --> 00:38:49,052
Really, in a nutshell,
we're saying, the Bible's true

807
00:38:49,052 --> 00:38:50,752
from Genesis to Revelation.

808
00:38:55,753 --> 00:38:58,153
We're building the whole place
for about $27 million.

809
00:39:01,153 --> 00:39:02,653
l have many people say to me,

810
00:39:02,753 --> 00:39:04,653
''As a Christian,
can't you believe in evolution?''

811
00:39:04,653 --> 00:39:07,253
l say, ''Well, you got a problem.
God made a man and a woman.''

812
00:39:07,253 --> 00:39:10,054
lf you believe in evolution, the woman
had to come from an ape woman.

813
00:39:10,054 --> 00:39:14,054
All right,
but you're so damned ugly.

814
00:39:15,454 --> 00:39:19,254
This is what we call the main hall
here. lmmediately, people see

815
00:39:19,254 --> 00:39:21,054
dinosaurs and people together,
which is very different

816
00:39:21,054 --> 00:39:24,755
to the idea of the evolutionists
who say dinosaurs died out

817
00:39:24,755 --> 00:39:28,055
70 million ago or so,
and so they didn't live with humans.

818
00:39:28,055 --> 00:39:31,055
They see an animatronic
dinosaur over here.

819
00:39:31,055 --> 00:39:33,755
Two animatronic baby T-Rexes
and two animatronic children.

820
00:39:33,755 --> 00:39:37,255
lt's basically just to give people
a wow factor as they come in here.

821
00:39:41,456 --> 00:39:45,256
How to share your faith
effectively and Biblically,

822
00:39:45,256 --> 00:39:46,856
to be able to reason
with people,

823
00:39:46,856 --> 00:39:48,656
learn to circumnavigate

824
00:39:48,656 --> 00:39:50,656
or go around
the person's intellect.

825
00:39:50,656 --> 00:39:54,257
There's plenty of people who
would say, ''Well, it's just my faith.''

826
00:39:54,257 --> 00:39:56,957
But that's not good enough
for you. You say, ''No.

827
00:39:57,057 --> 00:39:59,457
We can basically
reconcile the science

828
00:39:59,557 --> 00:40:02,257
with what's in Genesis.''

829
00:40:02,257 --> 00:40:05,157
We're an organization that--
to put it in a nutshell--

830
00:40:05,157 --> 00:40:07,757
is telling people that
the Bible's history is true,

831
00:40:07,857 --> 00:40:09,158
its history beginning
in Genesis.

832
00:40:09,158 --> 00:40:12,558
Scientists line up
overwhelmingly

833
00:40:12,658 --> 00:40:14,858
on one side of this issue.
lt would have to be

834
00:40:14,858 --> 00:40:18,658
an enormous conspiracy
going on between scientists

835
00:40:18,658 --> 00:40:21,258
of all different disciplines
in all different countries

836
00:40:21,358 --> 00:40:23,959
to have such a consensus.

837
00:40:23,959 --> 00:40:25,559
That doesn't move you?

838
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:28,059
No, not at all, because from
a Biblical perspective,

839
00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:31,359
l understand why the majority
would not agree with the truth.

840
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:34,459
Man is a sinner.
Man is rebelling against his creator.

841
00:40:34,459 --> 00:40:37,359
All these scientists
are sinners?

842
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:39,460
Well...

843
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,660
We have been talking
to so many religious people

844
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,160
and many of them believe
the earth is 5,000 years old.

845
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,660
lf you're a scientist,
you can't accept that.

846
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:50,960
Now you recently were the director
of the Vatican Observatory.

847
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:53,160
A Vatican astronomer.

848
00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:56,161
lt's one of those terms
like ''gay Republican''--

849
00:40:56,161 --> 00:40:58,161
you know,
you just don't expect it.

850
00:40:58,161 --> 00:41:01,661
- l'm not getting into that.
- No no no, l'm not asking you to.

851
00:41:01,761 --> 00:41:03,761
lt's not that the church
has the idea, you know,

852
00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:07,061
they're gonna train us up
so we can be the first ones out there

853
00:41:07,061 --> 00:41:09,162
to baptize those extraterrestrials

854
00:41:09,262 --> 00:41:11,362
before the Mormons get at 'em.

855
00:41:11,362 --> 00:41:13,962
The reason is simply

856
00:41:14,062 --> 00:41:16,662
historical facts.

857
00:41:16,662 --> 00:41:19,862
John Paul ll,
for instance, said evolution

858
00:41:19,962 --> 00:41:23,863
in the neo-Darwinian sense is
no longer a mere hypothesis.

859
00:41:23,963 --> 00:41:26,263
l mean, he said that.
lt's in writing.

860
00:41:26,263 --> 00:41:28,763
l still don't understand
why it's important

861
00:41:28,763 --> 00:41:31,363
for there to have to have been
a situation on earth

862
00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:34,063
where a man co-existed
with dinosaurs.

863
00:41:34,063 --> 00:41:35,663
Only really
in ''The Flintstones''...

864
00:41:35,663 --> 00:41:37,663
ls someone talking about me?

865
00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:39,264
...and that Raquel Welch movie

866
00:41:39,264 --> 00:41:42,764
does man ever co-exist
with dinosaurs.

867
00:41:42,764 --> 00:41:46,664
Why is that important
for your salvation or your morality?

868
00:41:46,764 --> 00:41:48,464
lf you're saying
this part over here,

869
00:41:48,564 --> 00:41:51,264
it says God made land animals
and man on the same day is not true,

870
00:41:51,364 --> 00:41:54,465
then ultimately, why should
l believe this bit over here?

871
00:41:54,465 --> 00:41:58,165
The Christian Scriptures
were written

872
00:41:58,265 --> 00:42:01,065
between about 2,000 years
before Christ

873
00:42:01,065 --> 00:42:03,165
to about 200 years after Christ.

874
00:42:03,165 --> 00:42:04,365
That's it.

875
00:42:04,365 --> 00:42:07,865
Modern science came
to be with Galileo

876
00:42:07,865 --> 00:42:10,266
up through Newton,
up through Einstein.

877
00:42:10,266 --> 00:42:13,466
What we know
as modern science, okay,

878
00:42:13,466 --> 00:42:14,966
is in that period.

879
00:42:14,966 --> 00:42:18,366
How in the world could
there be any science

880
00:42:18,366 --> 00:42:20,066
in scripture?

881
00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:21,766
There cannot be.

882
00:42:21,766 --> 00:42:24,367
Just the two historical
periods are separated

883
00:42:24,467 --> 00:42:26,167
by so much.

884
00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:28,167
The Scriptures are not

885
00:42:28,167 --> 00:42:30,367
teaching science.

886
00:42:30,367 --> 00:42:32,367
lt's very hard for me to accept,

887
00:42:32,367 --> 00:42:35,867
not just a literal interpretation
of scripture,

888
00:42:35,967 --> 00:42:38,767
but a fundamentalist approach
to religious belief.

889
00:42:38,767 --> 00:42:40,668
lt's kind of a plague.

890
00:42:40,668 --> 00:42:43,368
lt presents itself
as science and it's not.

891
00:42:43,468 --> 00:42:45,768
God is an infinite God
who is working in ways

892
00:42:45,768 --> 00:42:48,368
- we don't always understand.
- You don't think that's a cop-out?

893
00:42:48,468 --> 00:42:51,068
He is God.

894
00:42:51,168 --> 00:42:52,668
Are you God?

895
00:42:54,269 --> 00:42:55,969
No.

896
00:42:59,569 --> 00:43:01,369
We went to church every Sunday.

897
00:43:01,369 --> 00:43:04,969
My sister and l went to Catechism,
which is Catholic, you know,

898
00:43:05,069 --> 00:43:08,469
like Hebrew school for papists.

899
00:43:08,469 --> 00:43:09,970
lt was like war.

900
00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:13,070
lt was vast stretches
of boredom punctuated

901
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:15,870
by moments of sheer terror.

902
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:23,470
l'm in the Vatican.

903
00:43:29,271 --> 00:43:31,071
Buongiorno!

904
00:43:31,171 --> 00:43:34,071
l know what you're thinking.
l'm standing in front of a green screen

905
00:43:34,071 --> 00:43:35,971
at a studio
in Burbank, California,

906
00:43:35,971 --> 00:43:38,471
and they digitalized
the Vatican in behind me.

907
00:43:38,571 --> 00:43:41,172
No no, that's really the Vatican.

908
00:43:41,272 --> 00:43:43,172
l ought to know.
l just got thrown out of it.

909
00:43:43,272 --> 00:43:45,072
See, l wanted
to interview the Pope,

910
00:43:45,172 --> 00:43:49,072
but l was willing to settle
for a cardinal or a monsignor

911
00:43:49,072 --> 00:43:51,172
or the Flying Nun--
really anybody--

912
00:43:51,272 --> 00:43:54,673
but apparently l've been on the
Catholic shit list for quite a while.

913
00:43:54,773 --> 00:43:57,773
But that's their loss, 'cause now
l'm gonna say what l really think,

914
00:43:57,773 --> 00:43:59,873
which is mainly:

915
00:43:59,873 --> 00:44:01,473
Does that look anything

916
00:44:01,573 --> 00:44:04,373
like anything Jesus Christ
had in mind?

917
00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:07,673
When you look at a building
like that, a giant palace,

918
00:44:07,773 --> 00:44:09,974
does it seem at odds
with the message of the founder?

919
00:44:09,974 --> 00:44:11,474
Well, certainly.

920
00:44:11,574 --> 00:44:14,974
- Well, thank you.
- l mean, that's obvious.

921
00:44:14,974 --> 00:44:18,474
lt really is obvious, isn't it?
But does it bother you?

922
00:44:18,574 --> 00:44:21,874
Well, l mean--
well, yes it does.

923
00:44:21,974 --> 00:44:24,475
l wouldn't--
if l were the boss,

924
00:44:24,575 --> 00:44:26,475
l wouldn't be living there.

925
00:44:26,475 --> 00:44:29,475
l mean Jesus would be
probably out in some barracks here

926
00:44:29,475 --> 00:44:32,675
in a suburb of Rome, got it?

927
00:44:32,775 --> 00:44:35,575
Do you ever get so fed up
you want to take the collar and go...

928
00:44:35,675 --> 00:44:37,575
- Well, l don't wear a collar anyway.
- ...''That's it, Captain.

929
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:39,676
Take my badge and my collar.''

930
00:44:39,776 --> 00:44:42,976
l read about 10 books recently--
the rationality of religion,

931
00:44:42,976 --> 00:44:45,576
and everyone's saying it's stupid.

932
00:44:46,776 --> 00:44:48,776
You know what's
gonna happen to them.

933
00:44:48,776 --> 00:44:50,476
- No, what's gonna happen?
- They're gonna be roasting in hell.

934
00:44:50,476 --> 00:44:53,176
Come on, roasting.
That's the old Catholic thing.

935
00:44:53,176 --> 00:44:54,677
That's what they taught me.

936
00:44:54,677 --> 00:44:56,477
Yeah, l know, that hell business.

937
00:44:56,477 --> 00:44:59,277
Well, come on, the standard doctrine
that l was taught as a kid--

938
00:44:59,277 --> 00:45:01,477
Yeah, that's all gone.
That's all finished.

939
00:45:01,477 --> 00:45:02,977
But that's not fair.

940
00:45:02,977 --> 00:45:06,277
- Yeah, pfft!
- The date of Jesus's birth

941
00:45:06,377 --> 00:45:08,877
really wasn't established
until 349 A.D.

942
00:45:08,877 --> 00:45:11,078
Oh, yeah...

943
00:45:11,078 --> 00:45:13,778
because he might've
been born on July 3rd.

944
00:45:13,778 --> 00:45:17,378
These are all
nice stories, you know.

945
00:45:17,378 --> 00:45:19,678
- And that doesn't bother you, either?
- That bothers me too.

946
00:45:19,778 --> 00:45:22,078
l mean, when everybody's,
''Ooh, we have to have midnight mass

947
00:45:22,078 --> 00:45:24,879
because Jesus was born
on midnight on 25th of''--

948
00:45:24,979 --> 00:45:26,879
this is all nonsense.

949
00:45:26,879 --> 00:45:28,979
- You're a maverick, aren't you?
- l'm not a maverick.

950
00:45:28,979 --> 00:45:32,579
You're Father Maverick.
You do things your own way.

951
00:45:37,979 --> 00:45:40,980
When you add up
all the saints and all the angels

952
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,680
and archangels
and super-duper angels--

953
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,680
there's God, the Father,
God the Son, the Holy Ghost,

954
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:49,480
Mother Mary--
it does start to look like

955
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,280
it's not quite
the monotheistic religion that it's--

956
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,681
Oh, l understand.
Like we have mini-gods.

957
00:45:54,681 --> 00:45:58,181
Yeah, well, it does seem like that,
if people pray to a--

958
00:45:58,181 --> 00:46:00,281
Well, yeah, but some people
just don't understand this.

959
00:46:00,381 --> 00:46:02,881
You probably are--
you don't follow things--

960
00:46:02,881 --> 00:46:05,481
but they had a survey here
in ltaly, you know,

961
00:46:05,581 --> 00:46:07,481
and they said, ''ln a crisis,

962
00:46:07,581 --> 00:46:10,182
what kind of saints
do you pray to?'' Got it?

963
00:46:10,182 --> 00:46:13,282
You know who's the sixth
on the list? Jesus Christ.

964
00:46:13,382 --> 00:46:15,082
The sixth?

965
00:46:15,082 --> 00:46:18,582
He's the sixth man
that the ltalians call upon

966
00:46:18,682 --> 00:46:21,082
when they have problems.
lsn't that neat?

967
00:46:21,082 --> 00:46:25,483
- That's very interesting.
- Talk about Cafeteria Catholics. Pfft!

968
00:46:25,483 --> 00:46:27,483
So how do you convince people
of what's the true faith?

969
00:46:27,583 --> 00:46:30,483
You don't, forget it.
You just have to live and die

970
00:46:30,483 --> 00:46:33,383
with their stupid ideas.

971
00:46:33,483 --> 00:46:35,683
l'm sorry.
What are you gonna do?

972
00:46:35,683 --> 00:46:37,683
You can go to a pitch meeting
at a movie studio and go,

973
00:46:37,683 --> 00:46:40,084
''Okay, there's a spaceman

974
00:46:40,184 --> 00:46:41,884
who zaps a virgin

975
00:46:41,884 --> 00:46:44,784
and he gives birth
to a son who's also him,

976
00:46:44,784 --> 00:46:46,684
who then goes
on a suicide mission.''

977
00:46:46,784 --> 00:46:48,184
l wonder what people
would say about that.

978
00:46:48,184 --> 00:46:50,384
Yeah, that is actually
a great pitch.

979
00:46:50,384 --> 00:46:52,684
lt has so many elements
that they like,

980
00:46:52,684 --> 00:46:54,684
because they love
suicide missions.

981
00:46:54,684 --> 00:46:57,485
They love violence,
and Hollywood loves something

982
00:46:57,585 --> 00:47:00,385
it's never seen before-- a virgin.

983
00:47:16,786 --> 00:47:18,686
Hey, Shalom.

984
00:47:24,786 --> 00:47:27,787
We're so glad to have you here.
Just come and get blessed.

985
00:47:34,087 --> 00:47:35,887
These are here to teach God's word.

986
00:47:35,987 --> 00:47:37,787
We're in a spiritual warfare.

987
00:47:37,787 --> 00:47:39,787
We don't push our beliefs on people,

988
00:47:39,787 --> 00:47:41,888
but we do make them available.

989
00:47:41,888 --> 00:47:44,788
- Have you ever had a Muslim person?
- Yes, definitely.

990
00:47:44,788 --> 00:47:46,688
People from Gaza Strip come.

991
00:47:49,788 --> 00:47:51,988
We get many people
who come here say,

992
00:47:51,988 --> 00:47:54,188
''We've come every year
to Florida

993
00:47:54,288 --> 00:47:57,489
and we've done the tourist
things and all and we enjoy those.

994
00:47:57,589 --> 00:48:00,789
We wish we had
seen this first,''

995
00:48:00,789 --> 00:48:04,089
because their experience
here was so meaningful.

996
00:48:04,089 --> 00:48:07,089
Do you think if--
when you were a kid--

997
00:48:07,189 --> 00:48:10,390
they transposed the Bible stories

998
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:12,990
with the fairy tales, you'd know
the difference as an adult?

999
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:16,890
- My name is Eve.
- l'm Adam.

1000
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:18,890
This place is amazing.

1001
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:21,690
lf they told you Jack
and the Beanstalk was religion

1002
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:24,790
and that a man who lived
in a whale was in a fairy-tale book...

1003
00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:28,291
you think when you got
to be an adult,

1004
00:48:28,391 --> 00:48:30,391
you'd be defending
the one instead of the other?

1005
00:48:30,391 --> 00:48:32,491
So you're saying that
the Bible's a fairy tale?

1006
00:48:32,591 --> 00:48:35,491
God took my rib like this

1007
00:48:35,491 --> 00:48:37,391
and began to whittle it

1008
00:48:37,491 --> 00:48:39,291
like this

1009
00:48:39,391 --> 00:48:42,792
and blow on it...
and then--

1010
00:48:42,792 --> 00:48:45,592
Saved means believing
in Jesus Christ

1011
00:48:45,592 --> 00:48:47,392
- as the only begotten Son of God.
- Not for me, it don't.

1012
00:48:47,392 --> 00:48:49,292
What about the Muslims?

1013
00:48:49,392 --> 00:48:51,692
Many Muslims are
saved right now.

1014
00:48:51,692 --> 00:48:53,092
l don't get it.

1015
00:48:53,192 --> 00:48:55,593
l pray in your lifetime you do.

1016
00:48:55,593 --> 00:48:59,193
Jesus came through a Jew.
He was not the seed of man.

1017
00:48:59,293 --> 00:49:01,293
He came through
a Jewish woman,

1018
00:49:01,293 --> 00:49:02,893
but no man had
ever touched her.

1019
00:49:02,893 --> 00:49:04,893
No flesh had ever
touched her.

1020
00:49:04,993 --> 00:49:07,293
He was the seed of God.

1021
00:49:26,195 --> 00:49:27,795
You want me to lean up against
the tomb or something

1022
00:49:27,795 --> 00:49:30,895
or you want casual or-- okay.

1023
00:49:30,895 --> 00:49:32,495
Did l give you my cell phone?

1024
00:49:32,595 --> 00:49:34,795
Oh, l left my cell phone, right?
Just want to make sure.

1025
00:49:34,895 --> 00:49:36,795
Testing one two,
check, testing.

1026
00:49:36,795 --> 00:49:39,695
How you doing, Bill?
God bless you.

1027
00:49:39,695 --> 00:49:40,996
- Hi.
- Seen you around.

1028
00:49:40,996 --> 00:49:43,396
- Welcome to our world.
- l've seen you around.

1029
00:49:43,396 --> 00:49:46,596
Now is this your tomb?
ls this a real rock?

1030
00:49:46,696 --> 00:49:49,296
No, it's just cement.
They just kind of cemented it in there.

1031
00:49:49,296 --> 00:49:52,096
So when you go out to dinner,
people recognize you?

1032
00:49:52,096 --> 00:49:53,396
All the time, yeah.

1033
00:49:53,396 --> 00:49:55,997
l think you get
a little bit of that, too.

1034
00:49:55,997 --> 00:49:59,597
But they don't think l'm the Lord.
You must really be--

1035
00:49:59,597 --> 00:50:02,597
Why do you think people come here?
'Cause Disneyland's too smutty?

1036
00:50:02,597 --> 00:50:04,297
l personally haven't been
to the Holy Land,

1037
00:50:04,397 --> 00:50:06,297
so this was an awesome experience
for me when l walked on the property.

1038
00:50:06,397 --> 00:50:09,697
- l was like, ''Wow, this is cool.''
- Let me ask you questions

1039
00:50:09,797 --> 00:50:11,198
- about your business...
- Yes.

1040
00:50:11,198 --> 00:50:14,598
...or really the Jesus business.
God is super powerful.

1041
00:50:14,698 --> 00:50:16,298
- He can do anything.
- Sure.

1042
00:50:16,398 --> 00:50:19,498
Why doesn't
he just obliterate the devil

1043
00:50:19,598 --> 00:50:22,798
and therefore get rid
of evil in the world?

1044
00:50:22,898 --> 00:50:25,599
- He will.
- He will? What's he waiting for?

1045
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,599
- End times.
- But why play it out like that?

1046
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,099
- Why make it a game?
- Well, it's not necessarily a game.

1047
00:50:30,099 --> 00:50:33,199
A day is like a thousand years
in God's eyes, it says in the Bible.

1048
00:50:33,299 --> 00:50:35,599
lf you wanna look at it--
just like two days ago, Christ died.

1049
00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:39,199
But l know that he is
so far beyond any of our ways,

1050
00:50:39,299 --> 00:50:41,700
that he can work
the worst situation for his good.

1051
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,800
What was the Holocaust?
Why was that good?

1052
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,300
You know, God had a plan for that.
Maybe it's to cause--

1053
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,100
l wonder if you would have thought
that if you were one of the people

1054
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,300
- being pushed into an oven.
- Well, you know what?

1055
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:52,600
lt's like trying to explain
to an ant how a TV works.

1056
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:55,200
That's-- God's ways are
so much higher than ours.

1057
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,001
There's no way
you can understand that.

1058
00:50:58,001 --> 00:50:59,801
We need to stop the interview
for just a moment, please.

1059
00:50:59,801 --> 00:51:01,701
- Nice to see you.
- Senior manager of public relations.

1060
00:51:01,701 --> 00:51:04,901
- Hi, Les, l'll be right with you.
- Hi. Sure.

1061
00:51:13,102 --> 00:51:15,302
l'm not afraid
of the piranha women.

1062
00:51:15,402 --> 00:51:18,002
When he came, he said, ''l come not
to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.''

1063
00:51:18,002 --> 00:51:20,502
You boil all those
Levitical laws down to two things:

1064
00:51:20,602 --> 00:51:22,102
No other God is before me, Bill,

1065
00:51:22,202 --> 00:51:24,002
and love the Lord with all your heart.

1066
00:51:24,102 --> 00:51:25,803
But, Jesus, having
no other gods before you,

1067
00:51:25,903 --> 00:51:28,603
that's not moral.
There's nothing moral about that.

1068
00:51:28,603 --> 00:51:31,303
lt's just something
a jealous god would do.

1069
00:51:31,303 --> 00:51:33,303
lt does say that our God
is a jealous god.

1070
00:51:33,303 --> 00:51:37,003
But your God is jealous?
That seems so unGodlike

1071
00:51:37,103 --> 00:51:39,303
that God would have such
a petty human emotion.

1072
00:51:39,403 --> 00:51:41,804
l know people who have
gotten over jealousy,

1073
00:51:41,904 --> 00:51:43,904
- let alone God.
- There's two sides to the coin.

1074
00:51:44,004 --> 00:51:46,704
He's a just God
and he's also a merciful God.

1075
00:51:46,804 --> 00:51:50,704
No, he spends the first five books
of the Bible wiping out people.

1076
00:51:50,804 --> 00:51:54,004
That's what he chose to do.
His ways are higher than ours, Bill.

1077
00:51:54,004 --> 00:51:56,705
- Maybe our thinking should be higher.
- That's a good point.

1078
00:51:56,705 --> 00:51:59,705
God has got
this God-sized hole in your life.

1079
00:51:59,705 --> 00:52:01,505
You can fit that
with any position--

1080
00:52:01,605 --> 00:52:04,205
drugs, sex, whatever you want--
it is not gonna fill it.

1081
00:52:04,205 --> 00:52:05,705
- Can l try?
- You can try all you want.

1082
00:52:05,805 --> 00:52:06,905
You're gonna end up
hurting yourself,

1083
00:52:06,905 --> 00:52:08,705
damaging yourself
and burning yourself up.

1084
00:52:08,705 --> 00:52:10,906
l thought Christ was
about not judging people.

1085
00:52:11,006 --> 00:52:13,206
- That's true.
- lsn't that a judgment there?

1086
00:52:13,206 --> 00:52:15,806
You don't know me and you're telling me
l need to fill a hole in my heart

1087
00:52:15,806 --> 00:52:17,806
- with drugs and sex.
- No, l'm not talking about you.

1088
00:52:17,906 --> 00:52:19,406
l'm saying anyone in general.

1089
00:52:19,506 --> 00:52:22,706
See, if l was God, l would create people
without the hole to begin with.

1090
00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:26,507
Have you ever had a little voice in
the back of your mind say something?

1091
00:52:26,507 --> 00:52:28,307
- We've all had that.
- That's called the Holy Spirit.

1092
00:52:28,307 --> 00:52:30,807
- That's not God. That's you.
- That's called the Holy Spirit.

1093
00:52:30,807 --> 00:52:32,107
- Feel this wind right now?
- Yeah.

1094
00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:34,107
Okay, where is it?
You don't know, right?

1095
00:52:34,107 --> 00:52:36,807
- Yeah, it's called wind.
- Okay, that's like the Holy Spirit.

1096
00:52:36,807 --> 00:52:39,807
lt's a monotheistic religion,
but there's three of them.

1097
00:52:39,807 --> 00:52:42,308
Just like water can be ice,
steam and water.

1098
00:52:42,308 --> 00:52:44,108
l see.

1099
00:52:44,108 --> 00:52:46,308
lt's different forms, different shapes
for the different purposes.

1100
00:52:46,308 --> 00:52:48,508
The analogy that Jesus
at the amusement park

1101
00:52:48,508 --> 00:52:50,408
said yesterday was brilliant,

1102
00:52:50,408 --> 00:52:53,108
about the Trinity is like water.

1103
00:52:53,208 --> 00:52:55,308
lt can be steam. lt can be ice.

1104
00:52:55,408 --> 00:52:58,209
lt can be liquid.
Wow, that is--

1105
00:52:58,309 --> 00:53:01,209
boy, that stopped me
in my tracks for a second, you know?

1106
00:53:01,209 --> 00:53:03,109
That's just a brilliant analogy.

1107
00:53:03,209 --> 00:53:04,609
When you think about it
for two minutes,

1108
00:53:04,709 --> 00:53:07,209
it's still complete bullshit.

1109
00:53:07,209 --> 00:53:09,309
There this space God
and he's himself

1110
00:53:09,309 --> 00:53:11,610
and he sent himself
on a suicide mission.

1111
00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:14,610
He's a God, but he has a kid.
He's a single parent.

1112
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:18,610
lt's just silly, but when you put it
in the water analogy,

1113
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:20,910
l can see that, you know,
those ladies there,

1114
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:23,010
when they heard that the first time,
they were like, done.

1115
00:53:23,110 --> 00:53:26,811
Sold. Oh, you had me
at ice cube.

1116
00:53:26,911 --> 00:53:29,511
Moving on.
Does it ever bother you

1117
00:53:29,511 --> 00:53:33,011
that the story of a man

1118
00:53:33,111 --> 00:53:36,511
who was born of a virgin
was resurrected?

1119
00:53:36,511 --> 00:53:39,711
Your bio was something that was
going around the Mediterranean

1120
00:53:39,711 --> 00:53:41,412
for at least 1,000 years.

1121
00:53:41,512 --> 00:53:44,112
We've got Krishna who was in lndia

1122
00:53:44,212 --> 00:53:46,812
1,000 years before Christ.
Krishna was a carpenter,

1123
00:53:46,812 --> 00:53:49,512
born of a virgin, baptized in a river.

1124
00:53:49,512 --> 00:53:51,512
Are you saying that
was written in history?

1125
00:53:51,512 --> 00:53:53,312
That was written down in history,
is that what you're saying?

1126
00:53:53,312 --> 00:53:57,013
Absolutely, there's the Persian god
Mithra, 600 years before Christ.

1127
00:53:57,013 --> 00:53:59,713
Born December 25th,
performed miracles,

1128
00:53:59,713 --> 00:54:01,613
resurrected on the third day,

1129
00:54:01,713 --> 00:54:05,113
known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth,
the Light, the Savior, Messiah.

1130
00:54:05,213 --> 00:54:07,313
Stop! Blasphemer!

1131
00:54:07,313 --> 00:54:09,613
All l know is that
l don't go by that hearsay.

1132
00:54:09,613 --> 00:54:12,814
l go by the word of God.
l know that's why l believe.

1133
00:54:12,914 --> 00:54:15,814
- Well, l believe it because it's truth.
- Believe it, yes.

1134
00:54:15,814 --> 00:54:18,314
But there's a difference
between truth and what you believe.

1135
00:54:18,314 --> 00:54:21,614
ln the Bible it tells us that all things
are possible with God, okay?

1136
00:54:21,614 --> 00:54:23,914
Study the religions
of the Mediterranean region

1137
00:54:23,914 --> 00:54:25,514
for a thousand years before.

1138
00:54:25,514 --> 00:54:29,415
Many of the gods were born
on December 25th.

1139
00:54:29,415 --> 00:54:32,115
- No, it's not.
- lt's not a new one.

1140
00:54:32,115 --> 00:54:34,115
lt's funny you should bring
that up because of course

1141
00:54:34,215 --> 00:54:35,815
in ''Star Wars: Episode l--
The Phantom Menace,''

1142
00:54:35,915 --> 00:54:37,515
Anakin is born to a virgin.

1143
00:54:37,615 --> 00:54:38,915
People see that
and say, ''Wait a second.

1144
00:54:39,015 --> 00:54:41,215
Where have we heard that before?''
That's not original.

1145
00:54:41,215 --> 00:54:44,016
- But the Jesus story wasn't original.
- How so?

1146
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:36,919
Let me ask you a question.
Let's say, if you take the side

1147
00:55:37,019 --> 00:55:40,219
- that this is all made up...
- l do.

1148
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:41,620
...what if you're wrong?

1149
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,820
What if you're wrong?

1150
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,221
# Down the Via Dolorosa #

1151
00:55:59,221 --> 00:56:02,821
# ln Jerusalem that day #

1152
00:56:02,821 --> 00:56:05,121
# The soldiers tried #

1153
00:56:05,121 --> 00:56:08,621
# To clear
the narrow street #

1154
00:56:10,121 --> 00:56:14,022
# But the crowd
pressed in to see #

1155
00:56:14,022 --> 00:56:16,222
# The man condemned to die #

1156
00:56:16,322 --> 00:56:19,322
# On Calvary #

1157
00:56:21,122 --> 00:56:24,322
# Down the Via Dolorosa #

1158
00:56:24,322 --> 00:56:28,023
# Called the Way of Suffering #

1159
00:56:28,123 --> 00:56:31,323
# Like a lamb came the Messiah #

1160
00:56:31,323 --> 00:56:33,623
# Christ the King #

1161
00:56:35,323 --> 00:56:38,323
# And he chose to walk that road #

1162
00:56:38,323 --> 00:56:41,423
# Out of his love #

1163
00:56:41,423 --> 00:56:43,624
# For you #

1164
00:56:43,724 --> 00:56:47,024
# And me. #

1165
00:57:07,125 --> 00:57:09,325
Was Jesus a sinner?

1166
00:57:09,325 --> 00:57:13,026
One master. One word.
l am your master.

1167
00:57:15,726 --> 00:57:18,726
Who do we put away
in the asylums?

1168
00:57:26,426 --> 00:57:28,427
Xenu brought us here

1169
00:57:28,427 --> 00:57:30,427
75 million years ago,

1170
00:57:30,427 --> 00:57:33,127
stacked us around volcanoes

1171
00:57:33,227 --> 00:57:35,427
and blew them up with an H-bomb.

1172
00:57:38,827 --> 00:57:40,827
We are older than the universe.

1173
00:57:44,828 --> 00:57:47,028
You have to rid yourself

1174
00:57:47,128 --> 00:57:48,728
of the implants

1175
00:57:48,728 --> 00:57:51,828
from the extraterrestrial dictators!

1176
00:57:55,528 --> 00:57:59,129
- Get an E-Meter. Yes, get an E-Meter!
- An E-meter?

1177
00:58:02,829 --> 00:58:04,229
Audit yourself.

1178
00:58:07,629 --> 00:58:10,729
How do you people expect
to get to the next level?

1179
00:58:13,330 --> 00:58:15,330
l'm not making the rules.

1180
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:19,130
Aw...

1181
00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:23,530
You know, Scientologists...

1182
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:30,531
And right, you're like,
''Oh, yeah, that's some crazy shit. Okay.

1183
00:58:30,531 --> 00:58:33,531
Jesus with the virgin birth
and the dove and the snake

1184
00:58:33,531 --> 00:58:36,931
who talked in the garden,
that's cool.

1185
00:58:36,931 --> 00:58:40,131
But the Scientologists,
they're the crazy ones.''

1186
00:58:40,131 --> 00:58:41,331
That's not true.

1187
00:58:41,331 --> 00:58:43,532
That-- that--
l don't have any idea

1188
00:58:43,532 --> 00:58:45,832
of what
you're talking about.

1189
00:58:45,832 --> 00:58:47,832
But it has something to do
with making sure

1190
00:58:47,932 --> 00:58:50,132
that we're born with a defect,

1191
00:58:50,132 --> 00:58:51,932
so that the souls of ours

1192
00:58:51,932 --> 00:58:54,332
are infected with aliens...

1193
00:58:54,332 --> 00:58:56,832
Thank you.

1194
00:58:56,832 --> 00:59:00,833
...because the cure?
Scientology.

1195
00:59:00,933 --> 00:59:04,333
They're all crazy.
Yes, the religions do get even crazier.

1196
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:06,833
They have to to keep up.

1197
00:59:06,933 --> 00:59:09,333
They keep raising the bar.
After you've done the virgin birth,

1198
00:59:09,333 --> 00:59:11,533
you know,
where do you go?

1199
00:59:28,535 --> 00:59:30,235
We're not getting the top?

1200
00:59:30,235 --> 00:59:31,935
- We got the top.
- Oh, okay.

1201
00:59:32,035 --> 00:59:34,035
That's the Mormon Temple
behind me.

1202
00:59:34,135 --> 00:59:36,835
To be a Mormon is to believe
some really crazy stuff,

1203
00:59:36,835 --> 00:59:40,335
crazy even by the standards
of the big religions.

1204
00:59:40,335 --> 00:59:41,835
When you're the new kid
on the block--

1205
00:59:43,436 --> 00:59:46,636
Thank you.
That was helpful.

1206
00:59:46,736 --> 00:59:48,236
You're the new kid
on the block

1207
00:59:48,236 --> 00:59:50,036
and all the good crazy has
already been picked over,

1208
00:59:50,036 --> 00:59:52,536
so you kind of have to up the ante.

1209
00:59:52,636 --> 00:59:54,036
Oh.

1210
00:59:54,036 --> 00:59:55,936
God damn it.

1211
00:59:55,936 --> 00:59:58,437
Not while
l'm in the middle of it.

1212
01:00:00,437 --> 01:00:02,937
Well, we do have it.

1213
01:00:02,937 --> 01:00:04,037
Boy, a lot of people came

1214
01:00:04,037 --> 01:00:05,837
- out of the woodwork.
- Yeah.

1215
01:00:11,437 --> 01:00:13,538
So did you guys get anybody
from the church to talk to?

1216
01:00:13,638 --> 01:00:16,338
Well, if you count getting
thrown off the property

1217
01:00:16,338 --> 01:00:19,838
- ''talked to.''
- That's probably better.

1218
01:00:19,838 --> 01:00:23,138
We'd like you
to ''Meet the Mormons.''

1219
01:00:23,138 --> 01:00:25,538
ln the founding scripture,
you open up the Doctrine of Covenants,

1220
01:00:25,538 --> 01:00:27,639
you read the autobiography
of Joseph Smith.

1221
01:00:27,739 --> 01:00:30,839
He quotes Jesus Christ as telling him

1222
01:00:30,939 --> 01:00:33,139
that every other creed
on earth is, quote,

1223
01:00:33,139 --> 01:00:35,339
''an abomination.''
An abomination.

1224
01:00:35,339 --> 01:00:37,739
l mean, that's not
a very ecumenical statement.

1225
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:40,839
You're talking about things that,
l think, at some level

1226
01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:43,440
you sense just
do not make sense.

1227
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:46,740
l'm glad you said that because l read
some of the tenets of Mormonism,

1228
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:49,940
like ''God lives on a planet
near the star of Kalob.''

1229
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:51,640
- Kolob.
- Kolob.

1230
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:54,640
God the Father who's a physical man
with a body of flesh and bone

1231
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,241
is probably about 6' tall,
lives on a place called Kolob,

1232
01:00:58,241 --> 01:01:01,641
had sexual relations with Mary--
remember he's a man.

1233
01:01:01,641 --> 01:01:04,141
''Jesus Christ was conceived
by God the father

1234
01:01:04,241 --> 01:01:06,241
having actual sex with Mary.''

1235
01:01:06,241 --> 01:01:08,641
Mary said, ''lf this is what God wants,

1236
01:01:08,641 --> 01:01:10,541
l'll be glad to do His will.''

1237
01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:12,541
''Dark skin is a curse from God,

1238
01:01:12,541 --> 01:01:14,142
but if you're sufficiently righteous,

1239
01:01:14,242 --> 01:01:15,342
a dark-skinned person

1240
01:01:15,442 --> 01:01:17,642
can become light-skinned.''

1241
01:01:17,742 --> 01:01:20,142
According to
the Book of Mormon,

1242
01:01:20,142 --> 01:01:22,642
after his resurrection,
Jesus came to the Americas

1243
01:01:22,642 --> 01:01:24,642
to preach to the lndians.

1244
01:01:24,642 --> 01:01:27,743
''That American lndians are
actually a lost tribe of lsrael.''

1245
01:01:27,743 --> 01:01:28,943
They're lost Jews.

1246
01:01:31,043 --> 01:01:32,543
And also the idea

1247
01:01:32,643 --> 01:01:35,143
that Christianity
is American,

1248
01:01:35,143 --> 01:01:37,643
l think, is an amazing
entitlement to a people

1249
01:01:37,643 --> 01:01:41,443
who are always trying
to meld God and country.

1250
01:01:41,443 --> 01:01:44,844
The Garden of Eden was
in Missouri according to Mormonism.

1251
01:01:44,844 --> 01:01:46,744
The new Jerusalem
will be there.

1252
01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:48,644
Branson, l'm hoping.

1253
01:01:48,744 --> 01:01:51,644
l've also heard that the Mormon Church
baptizes dead people.

1254
01:01:51,644 --> 01:01:53,944
You can be baptized
for about 50 people,

1255
01:01:54,044 --> 01:01:56,044
100 people that've died.

1256
01:01:56,044 --> 01:01:58,845
And so you just get dunked
about 50 to 100 times.

1257
01:01:58,845 --> 01:02:00,445
That's baptism for the dead.

1258
01:02:00,445 --> 01:02:03,345
Caffeine is evil.
That magic underwear can protect you.

1259
01:02:11,145 --> 01:02:14,446
And that you need
a secret password to get into heaven.

1260
01:02:14,446 --> 01:02:16,746
Everyone must stand
at the final judgment

1261
01:02:16,746 --> 01:02:19,746
before Joseph Smith,
Jesus and Elohim.

1262
01:02:19,746 --> 01:02:21,246
This isn't an easy religion.

1263
01:02:21,246 --> 01:02:24,246
Why do you think it is that
so few people

1264
01:02:24,246 --> 01:02:26,346
do what you have done
and leave the church?

1265
01:02:26,446 --> 01:02:28,647
The moment you acknowledge
to yourself that Joseph Smith

1266
01:02:28,647 --> 01:02:32,647
did not tell the truth about
his experiences and his achievements,

1267
01:02:32,647 --> 01:02:35,547
you just committed
social suicide.

1268
01:02:35,547 --> 01:02:37,347
- Family and friends...
- Family and friends.

1269
01:02:37,447 --> 01:02:39,647
...will-- you're off the deep end.

1270
01:02:39,647 --> 01:02:42,948
Dr. Andrew Newberg,
nice to meet you.

1271
01:02:42,948 --> 01:02:47,248
l've finally met someone
who's studied... neurotheology.

1272
01:02:47,248 --> 01:02:49,448
This is getting very close
to something l always say,

1273
01:02:49,448 --> 01:02:52,848
which is that religion is
a neurological disorder.

1274
01:02:52,848 --> 01:02:55,748
What does the brain look like
when it's hopped up on God?

1275
01:02:55,848 --> 01:02:57,949
We see a lot of different colors,
which help us to--

1276
01:02:58,049 --> 01:02:59,749
tell us what
the activity is in the brain

1277
01:02:59,849 --> 01:03:02,749
and what we have found is that
there are some very specific changes

1278
01:03:02,749 --> 01:03:05,249
when people are actually
meditating or praying

1279
01:03:05,249 --> 01:03:07,749
or even speaking in tongues,
which was our last study.

1280
01:03:07,749 --> 01:03:10,249
ln the name of Jesus,

1281
01:03:10,249 --> 01:03:12,849
you've been made whole
by the power of God.

1282
01:03:12,949 --> 01:03:15,050
- Speaking in tongues?
- We studied people speaking in tongues.

1283
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:17,250
They're just babbling,
though, right?

1284
01:03:20,450 --> 01:03:22,550
They're not really speaking
in a language they don't know.

1285
01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:25,550
lt's not an actual language,
but what's--

1286
01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:27,250
Just bullshit, Doc,
come on.

1287
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:29,051
lsn't that something?

1288
01:03:42,051 --> 01:03:44,452
l love you.

1289
01:03:44,452 --> 01:03:47,752
So you would agree that
even if a billion people

1290
01:03:47,852 --> 01:03:50,252
believe something,
it can still be ridiculous?

1291
01:03:50,352 --> 01:03:52,652
- Absolutely.
- But the Jews, l mean, they're--

1292
01:03:52,652 --> 01:03:55,452
excuse me, Jewish friends--
but they're as cuckoo as anybody,

1293
01:03:55,452 --> 01:03:57,452
especially the really Orthodox ones.

1294
01:03:57,452 --> 01:04:01,053
You are one of the
few Jewish people in the world

1295
01:04:01,153 --> 01:04:03,053
who does not believe
in the state of lsrael.

1296
01:04:03,153 --> 01:04:04,553
You do not think the state

1297
01:04:04,653 --> 01:04:07,853
- of lsrael should exist.
- Correct.

1298
01:04:07,953 --> 01:04:10,053
- Okay.
- God gave us the land of lsrael.

1299
01:04:10,053 --> 01:04:14,054
On Mount Sinai where we made
this bond with God,

1300
01:04:14,154 --> 01:04:16,754
He said, ''l'm giving you the land,
but l'm stipulating--

1301
01:04:16,754 --> 01:04:20,154
very clearly stipulating-- you must
be on a certain level of holiness.''

1302
01:04:20,254 --> 01:04:21,954
You will see it clearly
that we were sent out of the land.

1303
01:04:21,954 --> 01:04:24,154
So basically you're saying that

1304
01:04:24,154 --> 01:04:26,354
the Jewish people have
not been holy enough

1305
01:04:26,354 --> 01:04:28,355
to deserve
the land of lsrael.

1306
01:04:28,355 --> 01:04:30,255
God understands what is good for us,
what is bad for us...

1307
01:04:30,255 --> 01:04:32,455
- First of all--
- ...what will bring us safety or not.

1308
01:04:32,455 --> 01:04:33,455
Let me just finish.

1309
01:04:33,555 --> 01:04:35,655
God told us, though,
if you will go against God--

1310
01:04:35,755 --> 01:04:38,055
- God manipulates the world--
- Okay, l--

1311
01:04:38,055 --> 01:04:39,855
Wait a second.
Let me finish this.

1312
01:04:39,855 --> 01:04:41,855
God said if you're going
to try to make the state,

1313
01:04:41,955 --> 01:04:44,056
you will be unsuccessful.

1314
01:04:44,056 --> 01:04:45,656
You are looking through--

1315
01:04:45,656 --> 01:04:48,556
you're trying to look
at this world through a keyhole.

1316
01:04:48,656 --> 01:04:50,756
l'm looking through the key--

1317
01:04:50,756 --> 01:04:53,056
Let me finish.
God is compassionate.

1318
01:04:53,156 --> 01:04:55,056
Everything is directly
from God, we believe.

1319
01:04:55,156 --> 01:04:58,056
- But it seems to me--
- l'll now explain what you're asking.

1320
01:04:58,056 --> 01:05:00,257
The concept of saying

1321
01:05:00,257 --> 01:05:02,857
that we've suffered
enough anti-Semitism--

1322
01:05:02,857 --> 01:05:04,557
Never again.

1323
01:05:04,557 --> 01:05:07,757
So you don't say ''Never again.''
You say ''Again.''

1324
01:05:07,857 --> 01:05:10,757
Yeah. Let us understand

1325
01:05:10,857 --> 01:05:12,457
were living in exile
for 2,000 years

1326
01:05:12,557 --> 01:05:14,358
under God's protection

1327
01:05:14,358 --> 01:05:16,358
and we were living
in Western civilization--

1328
01:05:16,358 --> 01:05:18,458
- Germany, Poland. Not anymore...
- Let me finish.

1329
01:05:18,558 --> 01:05:20,458
We were living amongst
all nations throughout the years.

1330
01:05:20,458 --> 01:05:22,658
...'cause they're all dead.
How many people died in the Holocaust?

1331
01:05:22,658 --> 01:05:26,058
You're jumping.
Let's jump to the Holocaust.

1332
01:05:26,058 --> 01:05:28,759
l thought the issue
was Jewish safety.

1333
01:05:28,759 --> 01:05:30,859
l thought the issue was
how many Jews are dying.

1334
01:05:30,959 --> 01:05:32,959
So let's talk
about Jewish safety.

1335
01:05:32,959 --> 01:05:34,959
Okay, l'm sure there was a few--

1336
01:05:35,059 --> 01:05:38,659
A couple million Jews died,
that's okay, that's the wording you use?

1337
01:05:38,759 --> 01:05:42,159
You're the one who went
to lran in December 2006

1338
01:05:42,259 --> 01:05:43,860
for the president

1339
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,260
of that country's
Holocaust ''denial'' conference.

1340
01:05:47,260 --> 01:05:49,160
Whoa, don't just throw words.

1341
01:06:00,261 --> 01:06:03,461
Why does Ahmadinejad say
that he wants lsrael

1342
01:06:03,461 --> 01:06:05,061
- to be wiped from the face of the--
- When did he say that?

1343
01:06:05,061 --> 01:06:06,961
- He did.
- He never said that.

1344
01:06:07,061 --> 01:06:08,561
What did he say?
What was the exact quote?

1345
01:06:08,661 --> 01:06:12,661
- He said it should disappear.
- What, is he David Copperfield?

1346
01:06:12,861 --> 01:06:16,062
- That's chutzpah.
- Never again, Rabbi, never again.

1347
01:06:16,162 --> 01:06:18,062
Wait. One more second.

1348
01:06:18,062 --> 01:06:20,362
No, l'm out.

1349
01:06:22,362 --> 01:06:24,262
We have Conservatives.
We have Reforms.

1350
01:06:24,262 --> 01:06:25,562
We have the Orthodox.

1351
01:06:25,562 --> 01:06:28,162
You are an observing Jew.

1352
01:06:28,262 --> 01:06:30,063
lt says it right there
in the fourth commandment:

1353
01:06:30,163 --> 01:06:32,663
Honor the Sabbath day
to keep it holy.

1354
01:06:32,663 --> 01:06:35,663
Friday night to Saturday night,
you don't do anything.

1355
01:06:35,663 --> 01:06:39,663
Yeah, the rabbis over the centuries
have created these prohibitions

1356
01:06:39,763 --> 01:06:42,163
as a way to try
to protect the day of rest.

1357
01:06:42,163 --> 01:06:45,964
You can't use electricity.
You can't drive.

1358
01:06:46,064 --> 01:06:49,664
Let's talk a little about
keeping the Sabbath holy.

1359
01:06:49,664 --> 01:06:52,164
l've always wondered
if it came about

1360
01:06:52,264 --> 01:06:55,264
because God rested
on the Sabbath

1361
01:06:55,364 --> 01:06:57,364
and that's why man has to.

1362
01:06:57,364 --> 01:06:59,365
That's right,
and that was the creation

1363
01:06:59,365 --> 01:07:01,265
of the seventh day,
that there should be rest.

1364
01:07:01,265 --> 01:07:04,665
There are 39 types of specific actions

1365
01:07:04,765 --> 01:07:07,265
that cannot be done on the Sabbath.

1366
01:07:07,265 --> 01:07:08,865
One of them is lighting a fire.

1367
01:07:08,865 --> 01:07:10,665
Planting. Another one is plowing.

1368
01:07:10,665 --> 01:07:12,465
Another one is
tying a knot, untying a knot.

1369
01:07:12,465 --> 01:07:15,466
One is building, and one is
destroying so as to build.

1370
01:07:15,466 --> 01:07:18,666
So much more kosher is
to develop these gadgets

1371
01:07:18,666 --> 01:07:21,066
- that figure out a way around it.
- That's right.

1372
01:07:21,166 --> 01:07:23,766
lt does seem that you are,
to a degree,

1373
01:07:23,866 --> 01:07:25,866
trying to outsmart God.

1374
01:07:25,966 --> 01:07:29,267
lf the lawmaker never
makes a mistake,

1375
01:07:29,267 --> 01:07:33,167
and still there's a loophole there,
why is that loophole there?

1376
01:07:33,167 --> 01:07:35,567
To be used in a situation of need.

1377
01:07:35,567 --> 01:07:37,967
But how did this get updated

1378
01:07:38,067 --> 01:07:39,667
for a 4,000-year-old rule?

1379
01:07:39,667 --> 01:07:41,567
lt seems there's an awful lot

1380
01:07:41,567 --> 01:07:43,267
that has to do with electricity.

1381
01:07:43,267 --> 01:07:45,368
Rabbi Halperin's work here
is translating it

1382
01:07:45,368 --> 01:07:47,368
into something more modern.

1383
01:07:50,168 --> 01:07:52,168
Let's look at some
of the gadgets you have.

1384
01:07:52,168 --> 01:07:55,768
l'm particularly interested in
the phone. ls there not a cell phone?

1385
01:07:55,768 --> 01:07:57,568
lt's not a cell phone.

1386
01:07:57,568 --> 01:07:59,169
Okay, wow.

1387
01:07:59,269 --> 01:08:01,969
l have to say,
that looks modern.

1388
01:08:03,169 --> 01:08:06,769
Each number is trying
to dial itself all the time.

1389
01:08:08,769 --> 01:08:11,569
Hello. Hello.

1390
01:08:11,669 --> 01:08:13,269
When l take the stick

1391
01:08:13,369 --> 01:08:16,070
- and l put it into the hole...
- Hello.

1392
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:18,170
...l'm inhibiting that
which is inhibiting

1393
01:08:18,170 --> 01:08:21,070
the number from dialing itself.

1394
01:08:21,070 --> 01:08:24,070
Let me ask about this.
lt's obviously a wheelchair.

1395
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:26,270
- May l?
- Sure.

1396
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:31,171
Oh, wow.

1397
01:08:31,171 --> 01:08:33,471
And this is not the new model,
l'm guessing.

1398
01:08:33,471 --> 01:08:35,771
- This is the experimental prototype.
- l see.

1399
01:08:35,771 --> 01:08:38,171
Schmuck!

1400
01:08:38,171 --> 01:08:41,771
- This runs on air pressure, right?
- Correct.

1401
01:08:41,871 --> 01:08:43,971
Basically, we've got
150 atmospheres

1402
01:08:43,971 --> 01:08:45,972
of pressure here.

1403
01:08:45,972 --> 01:08:48,472
We've got the turning it on,
turning it off here.

1404
01:08:48,472 --> 01:08:50,672
So air is okay.

1405
01:08:50,672 --> 01:08:53,672
- Air good. Fire bad.
- Fire bad.

1406
01:08:53,672 --> 01:08:55,972
Fire bad!

1407
01:08:56,072 --> 01:08:58,172
We've taken an old bicycle--

1408
01:09:00,573 --> 01:09:02,673
- l forgot what it's called.
- Tire.

1409
01:09:02,673 --> 01:09:05,973
Okay. Air goes in,
air goes out.

1410
01:09:05,973 --> 01:09:07,673
lf l was a person
in that wheelchair,

1411
01:09:07,673 --> 01:09:10,773
l might say to myself,
''Why am l going to these lengths

1412
01:09:10,773 --> 01:09:14,274
to please God, who's taken away
my legs to begin with?''

1413
01:09:14,374 --> 01:09:17,674
Okay.

1414
01:09:17,674 --> 01:09:19,874
That would be fascinating.
lt's an elevator.

1415
01:09:19,874 --> 01:09:21,874
Oh, it's a Shabbatavator.

1416
01:09:21,974 --> 01:09:23,974
Let me guess,
you can't push a button...

1417
01:09:24,074 --> 01:09:26,574
- Correct.
- ...on the Sabbath.

1418
01:09:26,574 --> 01:09:30,375
The issues behind the scenes that
people don't see are the real problems.

1419
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:32,675
An even bigger problem might
be how do you get someone

1420
01:09:32,775 --> 01:09:36,375
to put this in their building if
they're not completely nuts?

1421
01:09:36,475 --> 01:09:38,975
Well, actually, that really
doesn't make a difference.

1422
01:09:38,975 --> 01:09:40,175
Hmm.

1423
01:09:40,275 --> 01:09:42,775
How we define what is
crazy or not crazy

1424
01:09:42,775 --> 01:09:47,376
about religions is ultimately up
to how we define crazy.

1425
01:09:47,376 --> 01:09:50,076
lf you define mental illness
as anyone who hears a voice

1426
01:09:50,076 --> 01:09:53,576
talking to them, then anyone who has
heard the voice of God is crazy.

1427
01:10:11,577 --> 01:10:13,377
She talks about a prophecy

1428
01:10:13,377 --> 01:10:16,578
that these children needed to die.

1429
01:10:18,178 --> 01:10:20,978
The dispatcher asked
''Why did you do this?''

1430
01:10:20,978 --> 01:10:23,778
''l was told to.''
''Who told you?'' ''God.''

1431
01:10:27,178 --> 01:10:29,178
There is nothing

1432
01:10:29,178 --> 01:10:31,579
He may not ask of thee?

1433
01:10:32,879 --> 01:10:34,979
But in layman's terms,
Jesus was nuts.

1434
01:10:34,979 --> 01:10:37,779
Moses-- ''Stay here,
l'm going up

1435
01:10:37,779 --> 01:10:39,879
and getting the 10 Commandments
right from God.''

1436
01:10:39,879 --> 01:10:41,979
You know, 'cause one
thing l've also--

1437
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:44,580
We didn't have brain-scan technology
back then, so it's a hard to tell.

1438
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,480
l know, but if a guy says he went
up on a mountain and he talked to God,

1439
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:49,480
and He talked to him
through a burning bush,

1440
01:10:49,580 --> 01:10:51,480
that guy's a cuckoo.

1441
01:11:09,781 --> 01:11:12,181
All those pastors who refer to me

1442
01:11:12,181 --> 01:11:15,182
as the anti-Christ, false prophet,

1443
01:11:15,182 --> 01:11:17,782
it's because they're miserable.

1444
01:11:17,782 --> 01:11:21,382
Anyone who doesn't believe
in me is miserable.

1445
01:11:27,082 --> 01:11:29,683
- My mike is on?
- Yes, sir.

1446
01:11:29,783 --> 01:11:32,083
Okay, who are you Biblically?

1447
01:11:32,083 --> 01:11:36,783
l am Jesus Christ man,
the second coming of Christ, l am.

1448
01:11:36,883 --> 01:11:39,183
The Old Testament speaks
about me clearly

1449
01:11:39,183 --> 01:11:40,883
and the New Testament also.

1450
01:11:40,883 --> 01:11:43,283
- About you personally?
- Yes.

1451
01:11:43,283 --> 01:11:46,684
Not just because you have--
you share the name Jesus?

1452
01:11:46,784 --> 01:11:49,484
- No, not because of that.
- You also share the name Miranda.

1453
01:11:49,584 --> 01:11:51,284
Maybe you're Carmen Miranda.

1454
01:11:51,284 --> 01:11:53,284
Maybe the second coming of her?

1455
01:11:53,384 --> 01:11:56,784
You should have fruit on your head,
instead of fruit in your head.

1456
01:11:58,884 --> 01:12:00,485
Okay. Fuck you.
How's that?

1457
01:12:00,585 --> 01:12:03,985
Why do you think
God chose you?

1458
01:12:03,985 --> 01:12:06,985
Jesus of Nazareth had a wife

1459
01:12:07,085 --> 01:12:09,985
so after they killed him,

1460
01:12:09,985 --> 01:12:13,985
his seed kept going,
maybe through France, Spain,

1461
01:12:13,985 --> 01:12:17,286
and then from Spain,
came to Puerto Rico.

1462
01:12:19,186 --> 01:12:22,486
The bloodline come
from Abraham, Abraham to David,

1463
01:12:22,586 --> 01:12:24,186
David to Jesus of Nazareth,

1464
01:12:24,286 --> 01:12:26,886
Jesus of Nazareth, me.

1465
01:12:26,886 --> 01:12:29,386
Okay, l though a second coming

1466
01:12:29,486 --> 01:12:32,287
was the reincarnation

1467
01:12:32,287 --> 01:12:34,487
of the Christ himself,

1468
01:12:34,587 --> 01:12:36,787
not a descendant of.

1469
01:12:36,787 --> 01:12:38,687
No, he's a descendant.

1470
01:12:38,687 --> 01:12:41,887
Descendant? Oh... but
you don't believe in hell?

1471
01:12:41,887 --> 01:12:43,987
- No.
- Or the Devil?

1472
01:12:43,987 --> 01:12:46,488
- No.
- Or even sin, right?

1473
01:12:46,588 --> 01:12:48,788
No, there's not
a sin any longer.

1474
01:12:48,888 --> 01:12:52,788
What you teach is that
Jesus died for our sins

1475
01:12:52,888 --> 01:12:56,288
and so there's not really
any sinning anymore.

1476
01:12:56,388 --> 01:12:59,889
- No more sin.
- This is like a diet doctor saying,

1477
01:12:59,989 --> 01:13:01,789
- ''Eat anything you want.''
- Right.

1478
01:13:01,789 --> 01:13:04,089
''You don't lose weight,
but it's easy to stick to.''

1479
01:13:04,089 --> 01:13:05,289
That's what l believe, Bill.

1480
01:13:05,289 --> 01:13:07,189
Oh, l know you do.

1481
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:09,789
And l have many people
who believe in this.

1482
01:13:09,789 --> 01:13:11,789
And yet, you have a little--
you have a little twinkle

1483
01:13:11,789 --> 01:13:13,789
in your eye when say it.

1484
01:13:13,789 --> 01:13:16,890
No, l believe in that.
l believe.

1485
01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:20,890
How do we know? Because lots
of people would like this job.

1486
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:22,790
How do you get this job
as the second coming?

1487
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:24,390
lt's not on Craigslist.

1488
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:26,990
- Yeah.
- l'm guessing. Maybe it is.

1489
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:28,090
See, two angels--

1490
01:13:28,190 --> 01:13:30,391
Two guys named Angel,
Spanish guys.

1491
01:13:31,891 --> 01:13:33,491
You know what l'm talking about,

1492
01:13:33,591 --> 01:13:36,091
you fucking cockroach!

1493
01:13:36,191 --> 01:13:38,191
- No.
- Oh, actual angels.

1494
01:13:38,191 --> 01:13:40,491
- Two angels came to me...
- Okay.

1495
01:13:40,491 --> 01:13:42,791
...and they told me

1496
01:13:42,791 --> 01:13:45,292
''The Lord of Lords
and King of Kings

1497
01:13:45,392 --> 01:13:48,292
is coming to anoint you
for the ministry tonight.''

1498
01:13:48,292 --> 01:13:50,892
What form did the angels come in?
How tall?

1499
01:13:50,892 --> 01:13:52,892
Little tall and strong.

1500
01:13:52,992 --> 01:13:54,792
Whatever they told me,
l obey.

1501
01:13:54,792 --> 01:13:56,892
l don't wanna mess
with them.

1502
01:13:56,892 --> 01:13:58,492
But l'm just saying,

1503
01:13:58,492 --> 01:14:01,093
it seems that if God wanted

1504
01:14:01,193 --> 01:14:03,393
to communicate something
to the world--

1505
01:14:03,493 --> 01:14:05,593
He's all powerful--

1506
01:14:05,693 --> 01:14:08,693
He would just talk
to the whole world.

1507
01:14:08,793 --> 01:14:12,193
lt always seems
He picks out a prophet in private

1508
01:14:12,193 --> 01:14:15,093
and tells them,
''Okay, you're the prophet.''

1509
01:14:15,194 --> 01:14:17,794
- l am.
- ''You go tell the rest of the world.''

1510
01:14:17,894 --> 01:14:19,594
So we just sort of
have to take it on faith.

1511
01:14:19,594 --> 01:14:21,794
We just sort of
have to believe you.

1512
01:14:21,894 --> 01:14:23,994
Right, yeah, it's true.

1513
01:14:26,994 --> 01:14:29,994
Abraham. Noah.

1514
01:14:30,094 --> 01:14:32,595
Lord, what shall l do?

1515
01:14:32,595 --> 01:14:34,095
Moses,

1516
01:14:34,195 --> 01:14:36,695
climb the mount alone.

1517
01:14:36,795 --> 01:14:39,695
Once again, the Lord had
spoken to Joseph Smith

1518
01:14:39,695 --> 01:14:42,095
as he had to Adam, Abraham,

1519
01:14:42,195 --> 01:14:45,896
Moses, Paul and others.

1520
01:14:45,896 --> 01:14:47,996
l am the first Christian.

1521
01:14:47,996 --> 01:14:51,596
And the rest are really
kind of Jewish, you're saying,

1522
01:14:51,696 --> 01:14:53,696
because they're following a Jew.

1523
01:14:53,696 --> 01:14:55,396
That's it.

1524
01:14:55,396 --> 01:14:57,396
ln fact, they put on the plates--

1525
01:14:57,396 --> 01:15:00,297
they say ''My boss is
a Jewish carpenter.''

1526
01:15:00,297 --> 01:15:03,797
How ridiculous is that?
A Jewish carpenter!

1527
01:15:03,797 --> 01:15:06,297
- lmagine.
- Come on, Jews hire carpenters.

1528
01:15:06,297 --> 01:15:07,997
They don't--

1529
01:15:07,997 --> 01:15:11,297
you know, people say
''l found my calling in life.''

1530
01:15:11,397 --> 01:15:13,597
And it's a good calling.
lt's a nice living.

1531
01:15:13,597 --> 01:15:15,998
People adore you.
Everywhere you go,

1532
01:15:15,998 --> 01:15:18,898
they treat you like Christ,
like you're the Messiah.

1533
01:15:18,898 --> 01:15:22,298
You know, if l discovered
that l was Satan in person,

1534
01:15:22,298 --> 01:15:24,198
l would do a good job, too,

1535
01:15:24,198 --> 01:15:26,698
because l would be
faithful to my calling.

1536
01:15:26,698 --> 01:15:28,998
lt's how you do
your work, isn't it?

1537
01:15:28,998 --> 01:15:30,999
You know, at the end of the day,
whether you're the Messiah

1538
01:15:30,999 --> 01:15:33,499
or you're Satan,
it's loving what you do

1539
01:15:33,499 --> 01:15:35,299
and giving it 100%.

1540
01:15:35,299 --> 01:15:37,199
l give 100%.

1541
01:15:37,299 --> 01:15:40,999
l wasn't born skeptical.

1542
01:15:41,099 --> 01:15:44,199
l was still making deals
with ''God'' when l was 40.

1543
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:46,100
l remember l quit smoking.

1544
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,600
There was some shitty problem
l had in my life,

1545
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,400
and l made
a deal with God,

1546
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,400
''Okay, if you make
this problem go away,

1547
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:55,300
l will quit smoking,
and l won't go back on it

1548
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,100
'cause l'd know l'd be going back
on a deal with God.''

1549
01:15:58,100 --> 01:15:59,900
And you know, l gotta say,

1550
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,601
l'm kind of glad l had ''God''

1551
01:16:02,601 --> 01:16:04,301
in my life.

1552
01:16:04,301 --> 01:16:06,801
You are the head

1553
01:16:06,801 --> 01:16:11,201
of the First Universal Church
of Cantheism...

1554
01:16:11,301 --> 01:16:13,901
- Yes.
- ...which is really built around

1555
01:16:13,901 --> 01:16:16,602
- this substance here.
- No.

1556
01:16:16,702 --> 01:16:19,802
No? Okay, l got that wrong.

1557
01:16:19,902 --> 01:16:21,902
But it's built
around smoking this.

1558
01:16:21,902 --> 01:16:24,202
l mean, it has no dogma, right?

1559
01:16:24,302 --> 01:16:25,902
You're not preaching to anybody.
You're not saying

1560
01:16:25,902 --> 01:16:28,702
- you'll save their souls, no rituals.
- No.

1561
01:16:28,702 --> 01:16:30,703
How does this differ
from just getting wasted?

1562
01:16:30,803 --> 01:16:32,903
l mean that
in the best possible way, but--

1563
01:16:32,903 --> 01:16:35,103
l understand
the concept of God,

1564
01:16:35,203 --> 01:16:38,303
a feeling of one
with everything else.

1565
01:16:38,403 --> 01:16:41,003
Do you feel that
every time you smoke pot?

1566
01:16:41,003 --> 01:16:43,103
No.

1567
01:16:43,203 --> 01:16:45,503
Phew! l thought it was just me.

1568
01:16:45,503 --> 01:16:49,104
So why do you think
it's this family of drugs

1569
01:16:49,204 --> 01:16:52,304
that's so good
for opening our minds

1570
01:16:52,304 --> 01:16:54,304
as opposed to ludes, PCP,

1571
01:16:54,304 --> 01:16:57,704
or smashing up your mother's diet pills
and smoking 'em in a pipe?

1572
01:16:59,404 --> 01:17:01,605
l don't know.
l don't know.

1573
01:17:05,505 --> 01:17:07,805
So l did want
to get your thoughts

1574
01:17:07,805 --> 01:17:10,405
about what's going on in this city.
This is your city.

1575
01:17:10,405 --> 01:17:13,305
There's a lot
of controversy with--

1576
01:17:13,405 --> 01:17:15,505
maybe the Dutch
are so tolerant

1577
01:17:15,505 --> 01:17:18,506
that they're now
tolerating intolerance.

1578
01:17:18,506 --> 01:17:21,106
There's a lot of tension
with the Muslim community.

1579
01:17:21,206 --> 01:17:24,306
lt's all religious fundamentalists.

1580
01:17:24,406 --> 01:17:26,806
They already killed
Theo Van Gogh,

1581
01:17:26,806 --> 01:17:29,906
who was a known
television maker.

1582
01:17:29,906 --> 01:17:33,507
This is the spot
where Theo Van Gogh

1583
01:17:33,507 --> 01:17:36,407
- was assassinated?
- This is exactly the spot.

1584
01:17:36,407 --> 01:17:39,007
He was a Dutch filmmaker.
He made a 10-minute film.

1585
01:17:39,007 --> 01:17:42,807
lt was deeply offensive
to Muslims.

1586
01:17:42,807 --> 01:17:46,108
Oh, Allah, you say
that men are the protectors

1587
01:17:46,108 --> 01:17:48,008
and maintainers of women

1588
01:17:48,108 --> 01:17:50,808
because you have given
the one more strength than the other.

1589
01:17:50,908 --> 01:17:52,608
l feel at least once a week,

1590
01:17:52,608 --> 01:17:55,208
the strength of my husband's fist

1591
01:17:55,308 --> 01:17:57,008
on my face.

1592
01:17:57,108 --> 01:17:59,508
Lots of people think
that free speech

1593
01:17:59,608 --> 01:18:04,409
goes right up to this point and then
when you're talking about religion,

1594
01:18:04,409 --> 01:18:07,909
when you're talking
about the Prophet, all bets are off.

1595
01:18:07,909 --> 01:18:10,009
lt goes both ways,
freedom of speech.

1596
01:18:10,109 --> 01:18:12,609
lt goes both ways,
but the people who actually--

1597
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:16,510
usually do the killing for it
wind up on the Muslim side.

1598
01:18:16,510 --> 01:18:19,510
Do you think that says something
about the different cultures?

1599
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:22,010
l don't want to have
the image of the Muslims,

1600
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:23,710
you know, if they don't like
something you say,

1601
01:18:23,710 --> 01:18:25,210
they kill you, because it's not.

1602
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:30,510
lt was a noisy crowd outside
the Danish embassy in London

1603
01:18:30,610 --> 01:18:34,311
as speakers condemned the cartoons
portraying the Prophet Mohammed.

1604
01:18:34,311 --> 01:18:37,811
l wish l could get
your music in America,

1605
01:18:37,911 --> 01:18:41,911
but considering how controversial
it's been here in England...

1606
01:18:47,512 --> 01:18:49,312
lnitially, when l did the record,

1607
01:18:49,412 --> 01:18:51,612
a lot of people supported it,

1608
01:18:51,612 --> 01:18:54,812
but then,
in the current times that we're in,

1609
01:18:54,812 --> 01:18:56,312
people got really scared.

1610
01:18:56,312 --> 01:18:58,812
lt just shows
the stupidity of society,

1611
01:18:58,912 --> 01:19:02,313
which refuses
to discuss,

1612
01:19:02,313 --> 01:19:05,313
debate things
in an intelligent way.

1613
01:19:05,313 --> 01:19:06,813
And l don't except that.

1614
01:19:06,913 --> 01:19:08,713
l just put my middle finger up.

1615
01:19:08,813 --> 01:19:11,113
One of your big gripes--
and it's a valid one--

1616
01:19:11,213 --> 01:19:14,513
you keep saying that--
in fact, let me read your quote.

1617
01:19:14,613 --> 01:19:16,514
You said, ''Anyone worried
about what l'm saying

1618
01:19:16,614 --> 01:19:20,314
should get involved in the debate.
You are allowed to dissent.

1619
01:19:20,314 --> 01:19:22,614
- That is a right.''
- Yeah.

1620
01:19:22,614 --> 01:19:26,214
But is that a right
in lslam, to dissent?

1621
01:19:26,314 --> 01:19:28,414
Of course it is. Why do you think
there's so many schools of thought?

1622
01:19:28,414 --> 01:19:32,115
- Why do you think there's--
- lt wasn't a right for Salman Rushdie.

1623
01:19:32,215 --> 01:19:34,115
The demonstrators set off
from Hyde Park,

1624
01:19:34,215 --> 01:19:36,815
bringing much
of central London to a standstill.

1625
01:19:36,915 --> 01:19:40,115
Their hatred focused
on Salman Rushdie and his book.

1626
01:19:40,115 --> 01:19:43,015
The mullahs pressed home
their message in thousands of mosques--

1627
01:19:43,015 --> 01:19:45,015
Salman Rushdie must be killed.

1628
01:19:45,015 --> 01:19:47,716
See, Salman Rushdie
was there to provoke,

1629
01:19:47,816 --> 01:19:50,616
insult, and he did it
intentionally, right?

1630
01:19:50,616 --> 01:19:52,316
But should you die
for that?

1631
01:19:52,316 --> 01:19:54,616
No no, well, l mean,
like, that was--

1632
01:19:54,716 --> 01:19:56,416
you know, it's easy
for you to say

1633
01:19:56,416 --> 01:19:58,516
things are kind of
in black and white.

1634
01:19:58,516 --> 01:20:00,916
They're more complex than that.

1635
01:20:00,916 --> 01:20:03,117
There's emotions and passions

1636
01:20:03,217 --> 01:20:05,217
and philosophy involved

1637
01:20:05,217 --> 01:20:07,817
- and all that stuff.
- You know, all you gotta say is

1638
01:20:07,917 --> 01:20:11,317
it's wrong for someone
to have to suffer a death threat

1639
01:20:11,417 --> 01:20:13,917
- for writing a book.
- Well, hang on.

1640
01:20:14,017 --> 01:20:15,417
But apparently, it's more
complicated than that.

1641
01:20:15,517 --> 01:20:18,218
Well, it is because--
but l mean, Western--

1642
01:20:18,318 --> 01:20:20,718
We'll never see
eye to eye there,

1643
01:20:20,718 --> 01:20:23,018
but you want that
protection for yourself.

1644
01:20:23,118 --> 01:20:25,018
No, l think
these debates are a lot--

1645
01:20:25,118 --> 01:20:28,918
l'm willing to discuss 'em
in terms of facts and not fictions.

1646
01:20:28,918 --> 01:20:30,518
When you disagree with me,
it's a fiction.

1647
01:20:30,518 --> 01:20:32,419
- No no.
- You have the truth

1648
01:20:32,419 --> 01:20:33,919
- and l have the fiction.
- No, l don't have the truth.

1649
01:20:33,919 --> 01:20:35,819
But you don't see that
there's a fundamental hypocrisy

1650
01:20:35,819 --> 01:20:37,919
of you asking
for the right to dissent

1651
01:20:38,019 --> 01:20:40,119
and somebody else
getting a death threat?

1652
01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:43,419
No no, 'cause my dissent is
to stop the madness.

1653
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:50,820
l'm here with Geert Wilders
here in The Hague,

1654
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,520
which of course is
home to the World Court,

1655
01:20:52,620 --> 01:20:54,420
but also to the Dutch Parliament.

1656
01:20:54,420 --> 01:20:57,520
You are taking
a kind of hard line here

1657
01:20:57,620 --> 01:20:59,320
in the Netherlands.

1658
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,621
lslam is, according to me,
a violent religion.

1659
01:21:02,621 --> 01:21:04,621
The Koran is a violent book

1660
01:21:04,621 --> 01:21:06,621
and Mohammed was
a violent prophet.

1661
01:21:06,621 --> 01:21:09,121
Do you think lslam wants
to take over the world?

1662
01:21:09,121 --> 01:21:11,321
- They don't even make...
- Right right.

1663
01:21:11,321 --> 01:21:13,021
...a secret about it.

1664
01:21:13,121 --> 01:21:14,621
We are infidels.

1665
01:21:14,721 --> 01:21:17,922
l mean, we should either become
lslamic or we should be killed.

1666
01:21:17,922 --> 01:21:20,022
This is what they say.
This is what they are proud of.

1667
01:21:20,122 --> 01:21:22,422
Okay, we're here at Habibi Ana.

1668
01:21:22,422 --> 01:21:24,422
- Did l say that right?
- Yeah.

1669
01:21:24,522 --> 01:21:26,422
You guys, really--
l mean,

1670
01:21:26,522 --> 01:21:28,422
gay Muslim activists,

1671
01:21:28,422 --> 01:21:32,023
that is a very rare job description.
You guys have balls.

1672
01:21:33,623 --> 01:21:35,323
How big is
the gay community--

1673
01:21:35,423 --> 01:21:38,623
the gay Muslim community
here in Amsterdam?

1674
01:21:38,623 --> 01:21:40,923
Or is this it?

1675
01:21:40,923 --> 01:21:44,923
l mean, l'm guessing,
Thursday isn't--

1676
01:21:44,923 --> 01:21:47,624
isn't gay night here.

1677
01:21:47,724 --> 01:21:50,224
l hope you guys find
each other attractive,

1678
01:21:50,324 --> 01:21:52,424
'cause otherwise--

1679
01:21:52,424 --> 01:21:53,824
you don't feel afraid?

1680
01:21:53,924 --> 01:21:55,324
Here in Holland l'm not,

1681
01:21:55,324 --> 01:21:57,824
but when l came from my country,
l was very afraid.

1682
01:21:57,824 --> 01:21:59,124
There was an article of law:

1683
01:21:59,124 --> 01:22:01,324
Punish the gay
for one year just because he's gay.

1684
01:22:01,324 --> 01:22:03,925
- Just being gay can get you a year.
- Just being gay.

1685
01:22:03,925 --> 01:22:05,525
Same as Alabama.

1686
01:22:06,925 --> 01:22:09,725
What l learned is that
they're not really--

1687
01:22:09,825 --> 01:22:12,425
they're not specific
against homosexuality.

1688
01:22:12,425 --> 01:22:15,025
They're not specific against,
in other words,

1689
01:22:15,025 --> 01:22:17,526
the desire
of a man for a man.

1690
01:22:17,526 --> 01:22:21,026
What they are against
is specific behavior,

1691
01:22:21,026 --> 01:22:22,826
like anal sex.

1692
01:22:22,926 --> 01:22:26,926
They don't say homosexuality,
heterosexuality.

1693
01:22:27,026 --> 01:22:29,826
They just don't want you doing it
in the naughty place,

1694
01:22:29,826 --> 01:22:31,426
which l guess,

1695
01:22:31,426 --> 01:22:34,127
if you put that out
of the picture in homosexuality,

1696
01:22:34,227 --> 01:22:37,727
what do you have left?
Just the blowjob.

1697
01:22:39,527 --> 01:22:41,127
What do you think
when people say

1698
01:22:41,127 --> 01:22:43,427
it affects your memory,

1699
01:22:43,427 --> 01:22:45,627
especially your
short-term memory?

1700
01:22:45,727 --> 01:22:48,928
- lt does.
- And what do you think when people say

1701
01:22:48,928 --> 01:22:52,328
that it affects your memory,
your short-term memory?

1702
01:22:52,428 --> 01:22:54,228
lt does.

1703
01:22:56,528 --> 01:23:00,028
- l like my hat.
- lt's good. You look good, too.

1704
01:23:00,028 --> 01:23:02,129
l think l do.
l think l might adopt this look.

1705
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:03,229
Yes.

1706
01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:05,529
ls there a reason
why you have a black hat

1707
01:23:05,529 --> 01:23:07,029
and l have a white hat?

1708
01:23:07,129 --> 01:23:09,429
We have any color you like.

1709
01:23:09,429 --> 01:23:12,429
So l bought this.
l like it myself

1710
01:23:12,429 --> 01:23:14,629
because l like the color.

1711
01:23:14,729 --> 01:23:18,530
There is a lot of tension
in the last five years or so.

1712
01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:22,530
ls lslam a threat
to Dutch values?

1713
01:23:22,530 --> 01:23:25,030
lslam is preaching,

1714
01:23:25,130 --> 01:23:27,130
above all, peace.

1715
01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:29,330
Peace, peace and peace.

1716
01:23:51,632 --> 01:23:54,032
The name lslam means peace.

1717
01:23:54,132 --> 01:23:56,432
And yet it is involved
in a lot of war and violence.

1718
01:23:56,432 --> 01:23:58,332
Yeah, it's just all politics.

1719
01:23:58,332 --> 01:24:00,232
- Nothing to do with religion?
- No no.

1720
01:24:00,232 --> 01:24:01,832
- No?
- No, sir.

1721
01:24:01,932 --> 01:24:03,933
- lt's political.
- lt's politics.

1722
01:24:03,933 --> 01:24:05,733
Seems to be
a lot of passages

1723
01:24:05,733 --> 01:24:08,133
that say the infidel

1724
01:24:08,233 --> 01:24:11,533
is not the equal
of the believer.

1725
01:24:11,533 --> 01:24:13,633
The infidel will die in hell.

1726
01:24:13,633 --> 01:24:16,633
Don't feel bad
about hating the infidel.

1727
01:24:16,633 --> 01:24:19,734
- No.
- No?

1728
01:24:19,834 --> 01:24:21,834
Boy, l've got
bad information.

1729
01:24:21,834 --> 01:24:23,134
Yes, you have.
l think so.

1730
01:24:23,134 --> 01:24:25,734
- No no no no no.
- No no no no.

1731
01:24:25,734 --> 01:24:27,334
- No no no no.
- No.

1732
01:24:27,334 --> 01:24:30,034
No? No. l'm wrong
about everything.

1733
01:24:30,034 --> 01:24:33,735
The way l perceive things in the Koran
is not about killing infidels.

1734
01:24:33,835 --> 01:24:36,535
- But you have read it in there?
- Of course l've read the Koran.

1735
01:24:36,635 --> 01:24:39,435
You've read those passages, and what
did you think when you read them?

1736
01:24:39,535 --> 01:24:42,035
No, but l explain those
passages within the time

1737
01:24:42,035 --> 01:24:44,135
in which they emerged
in the world.

1738
01:24:44,235 --> 01:24:45,635
That's not how people
read holy books.

1739
01:24:45,735 --> 01:24:47,336
People don't read
holy books and go,

1740
01:24:47,336 --> 01:24:50,036
''Well, that was good for then.''
People who read holy books and go,

1741
01:24:50,036 --> 01:24:52,236
''This is the word of God.
lt's forever!''

1742
01:24:52,236 --> 01:24:55,136
- No, l don't agree.
- That's how most people do it.

1743
01:24:55,236 --> 01:24:57,836
l just don't buy it
that these guys are

1744
01:24:57,836 --> 01:25:00,136
in this state of denial.

1745
01:25:00,136 --> 01:25:02,837
l think they're just
in a state of denial

1746
01:25:02,837 --> 01:25:04,837
to an outsider.

1747
01:25:04,937 --> 01:25:07,637
They will not admit
anything is wrong

1748
01:25:07,637 --> 01:25:10,337
with their culture
to an outsider.

1749
01:25:10,437 --> 01:25:12,537
Muslims were imperialists

1750
01:25:12,537 --> 01:25:15,337
in the century
after Mohammed's death.

1751
01:25:15,337 --> 01:25:18,038
They conquered most
of the known world

1752
01:25:18,038 --> 01:25:19,738
in one century.

1753
01:25:19,738 --> 01:25:22,738
Yeah, it is possible.

1754
01:25:22,738 --> 01:25:24,638
You call it conquer.

1755
01:25:24,638 --> 01:25:26,438
l think they were trying

1756
01:25:26,438 --> 01:25:29,438
to spread lslam.

1757
01:25:29,438 --> 01:25:33,039
Well, they were, but they weren't doing
it by singing ''Kumbaya.''

1758
01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:35,039
Excuse me.

1759
01:25:36,139 --> 01:25:37,839
Sorry.

1760
01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:40,939
Oh, that 21st century's
always busting in.

1761
01:25:42,939 --> 01:25:44,939
l'm going to shut it off.

1762
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:48,940
l love it that he's got ''Kashmir''
as his ringtone.

1763
01:25:53,740 --> 01:25:55,740
Okay, l shut it off.

1764
01:25:55,740 --> 01:25:58,040
- Sorry, l was--
- Yeah...

1765
01:26:00,140 --> 01:26:01,140
Politics, okay.

1766
01:26:03,841 --> 01:26:06,841
Do you think it's possible
that when we're on something

1767
01:26:06,941 --> 01:26:08,741
like marijuana
or mushrooms

1768
01:26:08,741 --> 01:26:11,841
and believe we're having a very
spiritual experience,

1769
01:26:11,841 --> 01:26:14,441
that we're just high?

1770
01:26:14,441 --> 01:26:17,542
- lt's-- it's--
- Oh, look out your head's on fire!

1771
01:26:17,642 --> 01:26:19,742
Boy, talk about
the light bulb going off,

1772
01:26:19,842 --> 01:26:23,242
- that was your whole head.
- l don't like candles behind me.

1773
01:26:23,342 --> 01:26:26,542
No. Oh, look,
l found another joint.

1774
01:26:26,542 --> 01:26:28,542
Uh-oh.

1775
01:26:30,042 --> 01:26:32,442
Can we get closer?

1776
01:26:32,442 --> 01:26:35,643
That is one hell of a wall.

1777
01:26:51,844 --> 01:26:53,244
This is the Dome of the Rock?

1778
01:26:53,244 --> 01:26:56,344
This is the Dome of the Rock.
According to lslam...

1779
01:27:01,644 --> 01:27:02,945
On a horse?

1780
01:27:10,145 --> 01:27:11,245
He went to heaven on the horse?

1781
01:27:12,245 --> 01:27:13,645
Why is it holy for the Jews?

1782
01:27:37,947 --> 01:27:40,447
A rock. The Kaaba?

1783
01:27:40,447 --> 01:27:42,147
lsn't that--

1784
01:27:44,347 --> 01:27:45,947
Stone, rock, the same thing.

1785
01:27:47,547 --> 01:27:49,648
Why is that holy?

1786
01:27:52,648 --> 01:27:53,748
Paradise.

1787
01:27:53,748 --> 01:27:57,448
Could the rock itself have been
what we know now to be like a meteor?

1788
01:28:01,048 --> 01:28:03,749
But does it make a difference
that we now understand

1789
01:28:03,749 --> 01:28:05,249
what a meteor is?

1790
01:28:06,549 --> 01:28:07,549
Yes, right.

1791
01:28:07,549 --> 01:28:09,249
Okay.

1792
01:28:09,249 --> 01:28:11,249
This is the Mount
of Olives.

1793
01:28:11,249 --> 01:28:14,449
A lot of Orthodox Jews want
to be buried here,

1794
01:28:14,549 --> 01:28:16,949
'cause they believe that
when the Messiah comes,

1795
01:28:16,949 --> 01:28:19,050
he will raise them from
the dead and march them through

1796
01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:22,350
that golden gate
and onto the Temple Mount,

1797
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:26,050
which is why the Muslims
have walled up the gate.

1798
01:28:26,050 --> 01:28:28,450
The better to keep out
the Jewish Messiah

1799
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:30,950
and his kosher zombies
from getting in.

1800
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:34,851
Although you'd think that
if you had the power to raise the dead,

1801
01:28:34,951 --> 01:28:37,251
you'd have the power
to jump a fence.

1802
01:28:39,451 --> 01:28:41,151
l thought l would not be allowed

1803
01:28:41,151 --> 01:28:43,751
to walk in a mosque.

1804
01:28:43,751 --> 01:28:45,251
l thought only someone of your faith

1805
01:28:45,251 --> 01:28:46,951
was allowed to do that.

1806
01:29:01,652 --> 01:29:03,653
Why is he angry?

1807
01:29:05,353 --> 01:29:06,853
They're angry that
you're talking to me?

1808
01:29:13,653 --> 01:29:16,253
Women in your culture

1809
01:29:16,353 --> 01:29:18,754
seem not to be as equal

1810
01:29:18,854 --> 01:29:21,154
to the man as they
are in our culture.

1811
01:29:23,154 --> 01:29:24,254
Yes.

1812
01:29:26,054 --> 01:29:28,554
l talked to a Muslim scholar today.

1813
01:29:28,554 --> 01:29:32,554
And he said that Mohammed
had a meeting here.

1814
01:29:41,055 --> 01:29:44,255
Mohammed never set his foot

1815
01:29:44,355 --> 01:29:47,655
on that Temple Mount,
not even one foot.

1816
01:29:47,655 --> 01:29:50,356
Never ever.

1817
01:29:50,356 --> 01:29:53,956
He was never in the land
of lsrael, that's a historical fact.

1818
01:30:04,657 --> 01:30:06,957
l think even
l understand that.

1819
01:30:07,057 --> 01:30:10,757
Why can't the people
of the different faiths get along?

1820
01:30:10,857 --> 01:30:14,757
All three religions
consider the same site

1821
01:30:14,857 --> 01:30:16,757
to be holy.

1822
01:30:18,658 --> 01:30:21,158
ls it not because it was
conquered many times?

1823
01:30:21,158 --> 01:30:25,158
- Yes.
- lt was conquered first by King David,

1824
01:30:25,258 --> 01:30:27,158
and then later by
the armies coming out

1825
01:30:27,258 --> 01:30:30,058
of the Arabian Desert.

1826
01:30:30,058 --> 01:30:31,758
- lt changed hands during the crusades.
- We had the Romans.

1827
01:30:31,858 --> 01:30:33,359
We had the Byzantines.
We had the Persians.

1828
01:30:37,159 --> 01:30:39,959
There's more than
one mosque in the world

1829
01:30:39,959 --> 01:30:42,859
that used to be a church,
and before that was a temple.

1830
01:30:42,959 --> 01:30:46,359
Because it's a lot easier
just to change the sign on the top

1831
01:30:46,459 --> 01:30:47,859
and say
''under new management''

1832
01:30:47,859 --> 01:30:50,460
than it is to change
the whole building.

1833
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,460
l worked a lot
of comedy clubs in the '80s

1834
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,360
that still had
the disco ball on the ceiling.

1835
01:30:55,460 --> 01:30:57,860
And in the '90s,
they became strip clubs

1836
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,560
and now
they're a Starbucks.

1837
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:04,561
l've come today to the village
of Cerne Abbas in Southern England

1838
01:31:04,561 --> 01:31:08,061
to show you something
completely different.

1839
01:31:08,061 --> 01:31:10,961
lt's in the shape
of a giant naked man

1840
01:31:11,061 --> 01:31:14,361
with a sizable erection--
well, sizable for England.

1841
01:31:14,361 --> 01:31:15,861
Some people think
that this means

1842
01:31:15,961 --> 01:31:19,062
that there is a giant actually
buried under that hill.

1843
01:31:19,062 --> 01:31:21,062
Others think it has something
to do with crop circles

1844
01:31:21,062 --> 01:31:24,162
or ancient space visitors
or Druids,

1845
01:31:24,162 --> 01:31:26,162
but nobody really knows.

1846
01:31:26,162 --> 01:31:28,662
And that's what
l find fascinating about this,

1847
01:31:28,762 --> 01:31:31,362
is that it doesn't
really mean anything.

1848
01:31:31,362 --> 01:31:34,163
The locals have been
maintaining it for centuries,

1849
01:31:34,263 --> 01:31:36,263
and they don't
really know why.

1850
01:31:36,263 --> 01:31:38,363
They just do it because
they've always done it,

1851
01:31:38,363 --> 01:31:40,563
and isn't that
religion for you?

1852
01:31:40,563 --> 01:31:43,863
Sometimes you kneel,
sometimes you fast

1853
01:31:43,963 --> 01:31:45,963
and sometimes
you go up on the hill

1854
01:31:46,063 --> 01:31:49,064
and you cut the grass
around the giant space penis.

1855
01:31:49,164 --> 01:31:51,264
Do you believe,
as so many Christians do nowadays,

1856
01:31:51,364 --> 01:31:53,264
that the world will end?

1857
01:31:53,364 --> 01:31:56,264
l think we are in the end times.
There are many many signs.

1858
01:31:56,364 --> 01:31:58,764
The world as we know it
will come to an end.

1859
01:31:58,764 --> 01:32:00,264
And beyond that,

1860
01:32:00,264 --> 01:32:03,564
there will be the glorious
second coming of Jesus Christ.

1861
01:32:06,465 --> 01:32:09,065
lt seems peaceful,

1862
01:32:09,165 --> 01:32:12,365
but this is the very spot where
a lot of Christians believe

1863
01:32:12,365 --> 01:32:14,065
life on earth will end.

1864
01:32:14,165 --> 01:32:16,565
The irony of religion
is that because

1865
01:32:16,565 --> 01:32:19,266
of its power to divert man

1866
01:32:19,366 --> 01:32:21,666
to destructive courses,

1867
01:32:21,766 --> 01:32:24,866
the world actually
could come to an end.

1868
01:32:24,866 --> 01:32:27,466
A lot of people
in this country believe

1869
01:32:27,566 --> 01:32:28,966
in end times.

1870
01:32:28,966 --> 01:32:31,566
There will be this great
reckoning, the Rapture.

1871
01:32:31,666 --> 01:32:34,367
- Do you believe that?
- l do.

1872
01:32:41,367 --> 01:32:43,967
But if you believe that the world is
gonna come to an end,

1873
01:32:43,967 --> 01:32:45,967
and perhaps any day now,

1874
01:32:45,967 --> 01:32:48,667
does it not drain
one's motivation

1875
01:32:48,667 --> 01:32:51,168
to improve life on earth
while we're here?

1876
01:33:02,168 --> 01:33:04,869
The plain fact is,
religion must die

1877
01:33:04,869 --> 01:33:07,069
for mankind to live.

1878
01:33:07,069 --> 01:33:10,069
The hour is getting very late
to be able to indulge

1879
01:33:10,069 --> 01:33:13,669
in having key decisions made
by religious people,

1880
01:33:13,769 --> 01:33:16,869
by irrationalists, by those
who would steer the ship of state

1881
01:33:16,869 --> 01:33:19,870
not by a compass,
but by the equivalent

1882
01:33:19,870 --> 01:33:22,270
of reading the entrails
of a chicken.

1883
01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:24,670
George Bush prayed
a lot about lraq,

1884
01:33:24,670 --> 01:33:26,570
but he didn't learn
a lot about it.

1885
01:33:26,570 --> 01:33:28,070
l don't know that much
about politics,

1886
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:29,670
l'll vote for President Bush
because of his faith.

1887
01:33:29,770 --> 01:33:33,770
Faith means making
a virtue out of not thinking.

1888
01:33:34,071 --> 01:33:35,671
lt's nothing to brag about.

1889
01:33:35,671 --> 01:33:38,571
And those who preach faith
and enable and elevate it

1890
01:33:38,571 --> 01:33:41,171
are our intellectual slaveholders,

1891
01:33:41,271 --> 01:33:43,571
keeping mankind in a bondage

1892
01:33:43,571 --> 01:33:45,571
to fantasy and nonsense

1893
01:33:45,571 --> 01:33:47,371
that has spawned and justified

1894
01:33:47,471 --> 01:33:50,572
so much lunacy and destruction.

1895
01:33:50,572 --> 01:33:53,872
Religion is dangerous
because it allows human beings

1896
01:33:53,972 --> 01:33:55,372
who don't have all the answers

1897
01:33:55,472 --> 01:33:57,472
to think that they do.

1898
01:33:57,572 --> 01:33:59,472
Most people would think
it's wonderful when someone says,

1899
01:33:59,572 --> 01:34:02,772
''l'm willing, Lord.
l'll do whatever You want me to do.''

1900
01:34:02,772 --> 01:34:06,773
Except that since there
are no gods actually talking to us,

1901
01:34:06,973 --> 01:34:10,573
that void is filled in by people
with their own corruptions,

1902
01:34:10,573 --> 01:34:14,073
- limitations and agendas.
- lt's going to happen,

1903
01:34:14,173 --> 01:34:16,173
and l'm not saying
necessarily nuclear--

1904
01:34:16,173 --> 01:34:17,573
The Lord didn't say nuclear--

1905
01:34:17,573 --> 01:34:19,774
but l do believe it'll
be something like that.

1906
01:34:19,774 --> 01:34:21,574
And anyone who tells you
they know--

1907
01:34:21,574 --> 01:34:24,574
they just know
what happens when you die,

1908
01:34:24,574 --> 01:34:26,474
l promise you, you don't.

1909
01:34:26,574 --> 01:34:29,874
How can l be so sure?
Because l don't know,

1910
01:34:29,874 --> 01:34:33,074
and you do not possess
mental powers that l do not.

1911
01:34:33,174 --> 01:34:35,775
The only appropriate attitude
for man to have

1912
01:34:35,775 --> 01:34:38,275
about the big questions

1913
01:34:38,275 --> 01:34:40,675
is not the arrogant certitude

1914
01:34:40,675 --> 01:34:42,675
that is the hallmark of religion,

1915
01:34:42,775 --> 01:34:45,775
but doubt. Doubt is humble,

1916
01:34:45,775 --> 01:34:47,575
and that's what
man needs to be,

1917
01:34:47,675 --> 01:34:51,276
considering that human history
is just a litany

1918
01:34:51,376 --> 01:34:54,376
of getting shit dead wrong.

1919
01:34:54,376 --> 01:34:56,876
Jesus is coming back
to rescue the Jews,

1920
01:34:56,876 --> 01:34:59,276
because he is
the only one that can.

1921
01:34:59,276 --> 01:35:01,776
The believer goes in the paradise.

1922
01:35:01,776 --> 01:35:05,177
Unbeliever, they will go to hell.

1923
01:35:05,177 --> 01:35:08,477
The Jews are the only reason
that l am a Christian.

1924
01:35:08,577 --> 01:35:10,677
- l love them.
- But you're not gonna take them

1925
01:35:10,677 --> 01:35:13,277
- to heaven with you, are you?
- l'm gonna go in the Rapture,

1926
01:35:13,377 --> 01:35:16,177
and l'm gonna come back
on a white horse.

1927
01:35:26,278 --> 01:35:29,378
So you think Jesus
will end this earth at some point,

1928
01:35:29,378 --> 01:35:30,978
maybe in your lifetime?

1929
01:35:31,078 --> 01:35:32,978
One always hopes.
This is a sign, and that is a sign.

1930
01:35:33,078 --> 01:35:35,179
lf a nuclear bomb went off,

1931
01:35:35,179 --> 01:35:37,979
and it seemed like that was
exactly what it had said,

1932
01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:40,479
balls of fire or something,

1933
01:35:40,579 --> 01:35:42,479
you wouldn't look on that
as necessarily a bad thing.

1934
01:35:42,579 --> 01:35:44,179
l know l'll be with God.

1935
01:35:44,179 --> 01:35:46,179
This is why rational people,

1936
01:35:46,179 --> 01:35:47,779
anti-religionists,

1937
01:35:47,879 --> 01:35:49,880
must end their timidity
and come out of the closet

1938
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:51,680
and assert themselves.

1939
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,880
And those who consider themselves
only moderately religious

1940
01:35:54,980 --> 01:35:56,980
really need to look
in the mirror and realize

1941
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,680
that the solace and comfort
that religion brings you

1942
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,480
actually comes
at a terrible price.

1943
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,581
lt says in the last days
there'll be wars, rumors of wars.

1944
01:36:05,581 --> 01:36:07,781
The Bible prophesies
from the Book of Revelation--

1945
01:36:07,881 --> 01:36:09,881
they're going to be fulfilled!

1946
01:36:09,881 --> 01:36:11,881
Can this be accomplished
without violence?

1947
01:36:15,081 --> 01:36:16,381
global jihad.

1948
01:36:16,481 --> 01:36:17,981
- Who will win out?
- We'll win.

1949
01:36:18,081 --> 01:36:20,382
That's for God to decide
on Judgment Day.

1950
01:36:30,182 --> 01:36:33,482
lf you belonged to a political
party or a social club

1951
01:36:33,482 --> 01:36:36,883
that was tied
to as much bigotry, misogyny,

1952
01:36:36,883 --> 01:36:38,583
homophobia, violence

1953
01:36:38,683 --> 01:36:40,883
and sheer ignorance
as religion is,

1954
01:36:40,883 --> 01:36:42,483
you'd resign in protest.

1955
01:36:42,483 --> 01:36:44,983
To do otherwise is
to be an enabler,

1956
01:36:44,983 --> 01:36:46,783
a Mafia wife,

1957
01:36:46,783 --> 01:36:49,584
with the true devils of extremism

1958
01:36:49,584 --> 01:36:51,084
that draw their legitimacy

1959
01:36:51,084 --> 01:36:53,484
from the billions
of their fellow travelers.

1960
01:36:53,484 --> 01:36:57,184
lf the world does come
to an end here or wherever,

1961
01:36:57,184 --> 01:37:00,284
or if it limps into the future,
decimated by the effects

1962
01:37:00,284 --> 01:37:03,384
of a religion-inspired
nuclear terrorism,

1963
01:37:03,384 --> 01:37:05,585
let's remember
what the real problem was:

1964
01:37:05,585 --> 01:37:08,785
That we learned how
to precipitate mass death

1965
01:37:08,785 --> 01:37:11,585
before we got past
the neurological disorder

1966
01:37:11,685 --> 01:37:13,985
of wishing for it.

1967
01:37:14,085 --> 01:37:17,785
That's it. Grow up or die.

1968
01:37:20,086 --> 01:37:24,086
We are in a conflict
between good and evil.

1969
01:40:46,199 --> 01:40:48,699
See you in heaven.

1970
01:40:48,799 --> 01:40:50,400
Who knows?

1971
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,800
Yeah, exactly.

1972
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,800
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