1 00:00:27,642 --> 00:00:30,133 So this is the 300. 2 00:00:30,245 --> 00:00:34,443 The forward look. 1958 is here today. 3 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:37,916 That's the ermine white. Seventeen coats, hand-sanded. 4 00:00:38,019 --> 00:00:41,045 - I'm sure it's the 17th coat that does it. - Power steering, power windows, 5 00:00:41,156 --> 00:00:43,147 power brakes, power mirrors. 6 00:00:43,258 --> 00:00:45,726 The new auto-pilot will make you virtually superfluous. 7 00:00:45,827 --> 00:00:48,591 - I'm not sure I need a car for that. - TorqueFlite transmission. 8 00:00:48,696 --> 00:00:51,096 The standard that sets the standard. 9 00:00:51,199 --> 00:00:53,531 And the top operates by just the touch of a button. 10 00:00:53,635 --> 00:00:56,399 - I can feel the wind in my hair already. - You just out of school? 11 00:00:56,504 --> 00:00:59,473 - Harvard Law School. - That degree sells itself. 12 00:00:59,574 --> 00:01:01,508 Do you live here in Washington? 13 00:01:01,609 --> 00:01:04,601 - I've been working for the government. - Oh. 14 00:01:04,712 --> 00:01:07,374 - Not that it's permanent. - Oh. 15 00:01:07,482 --> 00:01:10,610 - Care to get behind the wheel, Mr. Goodman? - Goodwin. 16 00:01:10,718 --> 00:01:12,811 Oh. 17 00:01:12,921 --> 00:01:14,946 Just be careful with the cigar. 18 00:01:15,056 --> 00:01:17,820 Used to be a man drove the car. Now the car drives the man. 19 00:01:17,926 --> 00:01:20,087 Go on. Turn it over. 20 00:01:20,195 --> 00:01:23,187 - Here? Is it, uh-- - Go on. It's in neutral. 21 00:01:25,733 --> 00:01:27,633 [Engine Humming] 22 00:01:30,572 --> 00:01:33,336 Listen to that power. 23 00:01:33,441 --> 00:01:36,706 - This is the town for it. - And with the new Bendix Electrojector, 24 00:01:36,811 --> 00:01:38,711 we can rate this honey up to-- 25 00:01:38,813 --> 00:01:42,010 - 390 horsepower. - Correct to the hoof. 26 00:01:42,116 --> 00:01:45,483 - If my wife knew I was here, she'd kill me. - What a way to go. 27 00:01:45,587 --> 00:01:48,283 - Yeah. - I see you're admiring the seats. 28 00:01:48,389 --> 00:01:51,654 That's pigskin and calfskin. 29 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:53,659 Hand rubbed. 30 00:01:53,761 --> 00:01:57,754 - Nicest piece of furniture I own would be in the garage. - Try the radio. 31 00:01:57,866 --> 00:02:01,632 The only thing that sounds better than the engine is the radio. 32 00:02:03,304 --> 00:02:05,499 [Beeping] 33 00:02:05,607 --> 00:02:09,134 The Russians have beaten us into outer space. 34 00:02:09,244 --> 00:02:11,678 You are listening to the sound of Sputnik, 35 00:02:11,779 --> 00:02:14,839 a satellite launched this morning via rocket, 36 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:17,747 in orbit, right now, directly over our heads. 37 00:02:17,852 --> 00:02:22,846 A sound that says all is not well with America. 38 00:02:22,957 --> 00:02:25,357 America doesn't own the 300. 39 00:02:28,396 --> 00:02:30,762 ["Mack The Knife"] 40 00:02:30,865 --> 00:02:33,732 Oh, the shark, babe 41 00:02:33,835 --> 00:02:36,633 Has such teeth, dear 42 00:02:36,738 --> 00:02:39,468 And he shows them 43 00:02:39,574 --> 00:02:41,474 Pearly white 44 00:02:42,477 --> 00:02:45,310 Just a jackknife 45 00:02:45,413 --> 00:02:47,313 Has old Macheath, babe 46 00:02:48,516 --> 00:02:52,247 And he keeps it out of sight 47 00:02:53,688 --> 00:02:56,714 You know when that shark bites 48 00:02:56,824 --> 00:02:59,657 With his teeth, babe 49 00:02:59,761 --> 00:03:01,626 Scarlet billows 50 00:03:02,730 --> 00:03:05,324 Start to spread 51 00:03:05,433 --> 00:03:07,867 Fancy gloves, oh 52 00:03:07,969 --> 00:03:10,961 Wears old Macheath, babe 53 00:03:11,072 --> 00:03:13,233 So there's never 54 00:03:13,341 --> 00:03:15,309 Never a trace of red 55 00:03:16,744 --> 00:03:19,508 Now on the sidewalk uh-huh, uh-huh 56 00:03:19,614 --> 00:03:22,708 Ooh, Sunday mornin', uh-huh 57 00:03:22,817 --> 00:03:25,308 Lies a body 58 00:03:25,420 --> 00:03:27,820 - Just oozin' life - Hi. 59 00:03:27,922 --> 00:03:31,380 And someone's sneakin' 60 00:03:31,492 --> 00:03:34,359 'Round the corner 61 00:03:34,462 --> 00:03:37,022 Could that someone 62 00:03:37,131 --> 00:03:40,100 Be Mack the Knife 63 00:03:40,201 --> 00:03:42,726 Now did ya hear about Louie Miller 64 00:03:42,837 --> 00:03:45,965 He disappeared, babe 65 00:03:46,074 --> 00:03:48,372 After drawin' out 66 00:03:48,476 --> 00:03:51,468 All his hard-earned cash 67 00:03:51,579 --> 00:03:54,377 And now Macheath spends 68 00:03:54,482 --> 00:03:56,541 Just like a sailor 69 00:03:58,119 --> 00:04:02,385 Could it be our boy's done somethin' rash 70 00:04:03,558 --> 00:04:06,254 - Ah, Jenny Diver - [Cheering] 71 00:04:06,361 --> 00:04:09,489 Hey, Suki Tawdry 72 00:04:09,597 --> 00:04:12,157 Ooh, Miss Lotte Lenya 73 00:04:12,266 --> 00:04:15,394 And old Lucy Brown 74 00:04:15,503 --> 00:04:18,438 Oh, the line forms 75 00:04:18,539 --> 00:04:21,406 On the right, babe 76 00:04:21,509 --> 00:04:26,412 Now that Mackie's 77 00:04:27,615 --> 00:04:31,381 Back in town 78 00:04:31,486 --> 00:04:33,750 - What's this? Get this thing out of here. - It's not my station. 79 00:04:33,855 --> 00:04:36,983 - Yeah, yeah. Let's go. - We're still hot on the right. - Watch it. 80 00:04:41,429 --> 00:04:45,593 - Oh, it's very exciting. You know, my mother said that-- - Hey, those are the questions. 81 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:47,600 Ah, he's got the questions there. 82 00:04:47,702 --> 00:04:53,106 Like walking on the bottom of the sea, 83 00:04:53,207 --> 00:04:57,200 as if I had drowned long ago. 84 00:04:57,311 --> 00:04:59,506 - As if-- - Five minutes, Mr. Barry. 85 00:05:02,183 --> 00:05:04,242 - [Woman] We're ready, Mr. Barry. - You ready, America? 86 00:05:04,352 --> 00:05:08,152 - Oh, thanks, Tim. - All right, one minute. - Move a little to your left. 87 00:05:08,256 --> 00:05:10,747 - Hey, video, you done with the test patterns? - Camera one. 88 00:05:10,858 --> 00:05:13,053 Okay, clear the floor, folks. 89 00:05:13,161 --> 00:05:16,255 - Marty, you're still very hot. - Light it up, lighting. 90 00:05:16,364 --> 00:05:18,264 - Stand by. Thirty seconds. - Give me his opening shots, please. 91 00:05:18,366 --> 00:05:20,527 - Thirty seconds to air. - I'm getting a glare on camera one. 92 00:05:20,635 --> 00:05:23,866 You think you can adjust the barn door on Jack's back light? Yeah, if you can. 93 00:05:23,971 --> 00:05:27,168 - Twenty seconds. - My light okay? My nose doesn't look big? 94 00:05:27,275 --> 00:05:30,210 - You look great, Jack. - Last week I looked like a sun dial. 95 00:05:30,311 --> 00:05:31,778 Jack, we're on countdown. 96 00:05:31,946 --> 00:05:33,573 Coming to air in ten, 97 00:05:33,681 --> 00:05:35,945 - nine, eight, seven, - Stand by, timpani. Stand by, opening film. 98 00:05:36,050 --> 00:05:38,143 - Stand by, music. Stand by, announcer. - six, five, 99 00:05:38,252 --> 00:05:41,380 - four, three, two, one. - Cue the timpani. 100 00:05:43,366 --> 00:05:45,266 And fade up. Announce. 101 00:05:46,469 --> 00:05:49,370 Geritol. America's #1 tonic. 102 00:05:49,472 --> 00:05:52,305 Geritol, the fast-acting, high-potency tonic... 103 00:05:52,408 --> 00:05:55,377 that helps you feel stronger fast, 104 00:05:55,478 --> 00:05:58,572 presents the exciting quiz program... 105 00:05:58,681 --> 00:06:00,546 Twenty-One. 106 00:06:00,650 --> 00:06:04,484 Brought to you by NBC, the National Broadcasting Company, 107 00:06:04,587 --> 00:06:06,578 broadcasting nationally coast to coast, 108 00:06:06,689 --> 00:06:09,089 from New York to Los Angeles, 109 00:06:09,192 --> 00:06:11,387 from Seattle to St. Petersburg... 110 00:06:11,494 --> 00:06:15,590 via a vast network of affiliates crisscrossing the country. 111 00:06:15,698 --> 00:06:17,825 Coming up next, Twenty-One, 112 00:06:17,934 --> 00:06:20,562 starring master of ceremonies Jack Barry! 113 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:24,299 Two players racing to score 21 points, 114 00:06:25,575 --> 00:06:27,668 each in a soundproof television studio, 115 00:06:27,777 --> 00:06:29,870 not knowing the other one's score, 116 00:06:29,979 --> 00:06:33,540 - with $500 riding on each point... - Damn it! 117 00:06:33,649 --> 00:06:35,776 as they both play... 118 00:06:35,885 --> 00:06:37,785 Twenty-One! 119 00:06:40,156 --> 00:06:43,455 And here's your host, Jack Barry! 120 00:06:43,559 --> 00:06:46,289 [Applause] 121 00:06:49,132 --> 00:06:51,100 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 122 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,603 Due to a series of ties, Herbert Stempel, our 29-year-old ex-G.I. college student, 123 00:06:55,705 --> 00:06:58,435 must play at $3,000 a point, 124 00:06:58,541 --> 00:07:00,441 which means that in a few brief minutes, 125 00:07:00,543 --> 00:07:05,446 he can either win as much as $100,000, the most money won on television to date, 126 00:07:05,548 --> 00:07:08,574 or lose everything he's won in the last eight weeks. 127 00:07:08,684 --> 00:07:11,653 - You nervous? - [Chuckling] 128 00:07:11,754 --> 00:07:13,745 It's only money. 129 00:07:13,856 --> 00:07:15,915 Isolated in their soundproof studios, 130 00:07:16,025 --> 00:07:18,789 neither player is aware of the other's score. 131 00:07:18,895 --> 00:07:21,022 I've been assured by our friends at the encyclopedia... 132 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:24,031 that they've concocted some real brain-breakers this week, 133 00:07:24,133 --> 00:07:26,033 so we'll find out in the next 30 minutes... 134 00:07:26,135 --> 00:07:29,502 if the unstumpable Herbert Stempel can be stumped. 135 00:07:29,605 --> 00:07:33,234 - Could I have the questions, please? - [Drumroll] 136 00:07:33,342 --> 00:07:36,334 Thank you, gentlemen. Remember, the questions on Twenty-One are secured each week... 137 00:07:36,446 --> 00:07:40,280 in a Manhattan bank vault 'til just before show time. 138 00:07:40,383 --> 00:07:43,614 So right now, let's meet Herbert Stempel and his challenger as Geritol, 139 00:07:43,719 --> 00:07:46,813 American's #1 tonic, presents Twenty-One. 140 00:07:46,923 --> 00:07:49,153 [Fanfare] 141 00:07:53,229 --> 00:07:55,197 Welcome back to the show, gentlemen. 142 00:07:55,298 --> 00:07:57,732 Mr. Peloubet, a very cordial welcome to you, sir. 143 00:07:57,834 --> 00:07:59,825 How are you, Herb? How's everything in Queens? 144 00:07:59,936 --> 00:08:02,666 - Fine, Mr. Barry. - It's a nervous strain in the family, I bet. 145 00:08:02,772 --> 00:08:06,435 - How's your wife holding out? - She's fine, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Barry, for asking. 146 00:08:06,542 --> 00:08:10,137 As you know, Herb, the questions are graded for difficulty by the Encyclopedia Britannica-- 147 00:08:10,246 --> 00:08:13,545 I might add that my wife no longer suffers from tired blood, 148 00:08:13,649 --> 00:08:15,617 now that I've got her on Geritol. 149 00:08:15,718 --> 00:08:17,618 That's fine. Graded on a scale from one-- 150 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,847 I personally vouch that it's a fine product. 151 00:08:19,956 --> 00:08:23,357 I'm sure our sponsor will be pleased to know that. Now, to get on with the show-- 152 00:08:23,459 --> 00:08:25,927 I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Geritol... 153 00:08:26,028 --> 00:08:29,520 for giving a poor ex-G.I. this amazing opportunity... 154 00:08:29,632 --> 00:08:31,930 to realize his dream of a college education. 155 00:08:32,034 --> 00:08:34,502 [Faint Applause] 156 00:08:34,604 --> 00:08:36,697 Now there's a face for radio. 157 00:08:37,773 --> 00:08:40,901 [Barry] Dick Peloubet back again from sunny Miami, Florida, and Herb Stempel. 158 00:08:41,010 --> 00:08:43,240 - Yeah. - Stempel is giving me a headache. 159 00:08:43,346 --> 00:08:45,871 - Well, he sells Geritol. - Have you seen the ratings? 160 00:08:45,982 --> 00:08:49,008 - Well, they've evened out. - I don't think he works anymore. 161 00:08:49,118 --> 00:08:53,054 Stempel is an underdog. You know, people root for that. It's a New York thing. 162 00:08:53,155 --> 00:08:55,680 Queens is not New York. 163 00:08:55,791 --> 00:08:57,850 - [Dial Tone] - [Barry] Let's play Twenty-One. 164 00:09:09,672 --> 00:09:11,572 Mr. Kintner's office, please. 165 00:09:11,674 --> 00:09:13,972 - [Phone Ringing] - Office of the president. Could you hold, please? 166 00:09:14,076 --> 00:09:16,010 - [Ringing] - Mr. Kintner's office. 167 00:09:16,112 --> 00:09:18,842 Once inside the isolation booth, neither player can see the other, 168 00:09:18,948 --> 00:09:23,442 nor can they hear anything until I turn their studios on, which I'm gonna do right now. 169 00:09:25,855 --> 00:09:28,016 [Barry] All right, gentlemen? 170 00:09:28,124 --> 00:09:31,389 - He's not hurting sales, is he? - He just doesn't think he works. 171 00:09:31,494 --> 00:09:33,394 - Why? - Look, I don't know. 172 00:09:33,496 --> 00:09:37,364 I guess the sponsor wants a guy on Twenty-One who looks like he'd get a table at 21. 173 00:09:37,466 --> 00:09:40,401 You just tell him I said Stempel has an everyman quality. 174 00:09:40,503 --> 00:09:43,700 You know that whole American dream thing? You, too, can be rich? 175 00:09:43,806 --> 00:09:46,468 - If the ratings stay high. - Very funny. 176 00:09:46,576 --> 00:09:49,704 - I'm just passing it along, sir. - [Click] 177 00:09:53,349 --> 00:09:57,115 Every schoolboy knows about the midnight ride of Paul Revere. 178 00:09:57,219 --> 00:10:01,519 For 11 points, how many lanterns were hung in the Old North Church? 179 00:10:01,624 --> 00:10:04,422 Who rode with Paul Revere? Who lent him his horse? 180 00:10:04,527 --> 00:10:06,586 Was it a mare or a stallion? 181 00:10:06,696 --> 00:10:09,096 And what was the horse's name? 182 00:10:09,198 --> 00:10:11,792 - Stand by, Joe, on Herbie. - Kill the air. 183 00:10:11,901 --> 00:10:14,131 Tommy, air off. 184 00:10:21,744 --> 00:10:23,644 Uh-- 185 00:10:23,746 --> 00:10:26,510 - [Muted Ring] - A little tighter. Kelly, put the sign up. 186 00:10:26,616 --> 00:10:30,143 Control booth. Uh, yeah, hold on, sir. 187 00:10:30,252 --> 00:10:32,550 Dan, it's for you. It's Kintner. 188 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:38,285 Would you mind, Mr. Barry, could I take the third part last? 189 00:10:38,394 --> 00:10:40,988 [Barry] That's fine. 190 00:10:41,097 --> 00:10:46,160 The code was, uh, "One if by land, two if by sea." 191 00:10:46,268 --> 00:10:49,999 Therefore, it would have to be two lanterns in the Old North Church. 192 00:10:50,106 --> 00:10:53,542 That's right. And the second part. Who rode with him? 193 00:10:53,643 --> 00:10:57,101 - Dawes and Prescott. - Dawes and Prescott. 194 00:10:57,213 --> 00:11:00,114 [Chattering] 195 00:11:00,216 --> 00:11:02,241 What these books have conclusively proven... 196 00:11:02,351 --> 00:11:05,980 is that the difference between men and women is exactly 38 pages. 197 00:11:06,088 --> 00:11:08,488 - Can I quote you, Mark? - Not before I quote me. 198 00:11:08,591 --> 00:11:10,525 His own quotes are his greatest pleasure. 199 00:11:10,626 --> 00:11:13,322 Did you hear the market dropped 30 points today? There's a rumor Eisenhower died. 200 00:11:13,429 --> 00:11:16,523 - How would they tell? - Oh, please, don't get Dorothy started on politics. 201 00:11:16,632 --> 00:11:18,827 - There'll be a raid. - Good night. 202 00:11:18,934 --> 00:11:21,835 Good night, Dorothy. Sorry I'm late. It's impossible out there. 203 00:11:21,937 --> 00:11:25,668 - You can't get a cab without a dragnet. - Eisenhower died. 204 00:11:25,775 --> 00:11:28,767 - What? - Professor Van Doren, I took your course at Columbia-- 205 00:11:28,878 --> 00:11:31,244 "Hawthorne, Original Sin and the American Experience." 206 00:11:31,347 --> 00:11:34,373 - Nixon is president? - Well, as silly as it sounds, it changed my life. 207 00:11:34,483 --> 00:11:39,216 - Was it the Hawthorne or the sin? - Perhaps you'd like to meet my son, the unmarried Van Doren. 208 00:11:39,321 --> 00:11:41,687 - Oh, where is Charlie? - You're right again, Herb. 209 00:11:41,791 --> 00:11:45,352 You got the first two parts correct. Just three more for 11 points. 210 00:11:45,461 --> 00:11:47,486 Excuse me. Are you the son? 211 00:11:47,596 --> 00:11:51,362 - I'm Charlie. Pleasure. - Elizabeth. The pleasure's all mine. 212 00:11:51,467 --> 00:11:53,867 It was a mare, Mr. Barry. 213 00:11:53,969 --> 00:11:55,937 How did he know that? 214 00:11:56,038 --> 00:12:00,702 - Oh, there you are. - We're making our getaway, Charlie, if you want a ride. 215 00:12:00,810 --> 00:12:02,835 Have you ever watched one of these quiz shows, Dad? 216 00:12:02,945 --> 00:12:05,937 The $64,000 Question or Twenty-One? 217 00:12:06,048 --> 00:12:09,745 For $64,000, I hope they ask you the meaning of life. 218 00:12:09,852 --> 00:12:14,789 Okay, Herb, finally: Name the man who loaned Paul Revere his horse... 219 00:12:14,890 --> 00:12:16,915 for that fateful midnight ride. 220 00:12:17,026 --> 00:12:18,926 The horse. Who loaned him the horse? 221 00:12:19,028 --> 00:12:22,122 - Okay, Herb, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for your answer. - Yes, Mr. Barry. 222 00:12:22,231 --> 00:12:26,065 [Kintner] Look, just give him what he wants. I don't want to talk to these agency guys. 223 00:12:26,168 --> 00:12:29,660 - So what do you want me to do, Mr. Kintner? - You're a producer, Dan. 224 00:12:29,772 --> 00:12:31,797 - Produce. - [Barry] Would you like more time, Herb? 225 00:12:31,907 --> 00:12:34,068 - Right. - [Herb] If I may. 226 00:12:37,646 --> 00:12:39,705 Herbie's dead. 227 00:12:39,815 --> 00:12:43,080 Larkin? Deacon John Larkin? 228 00:12:43,185 --> 00:12:45,380 That's correct for 11 points! 229 00:12:45,488 --> 00:12:49,151 - [Applause] - [Sighing] 230 00:12:49,258 --> 00:12:53,786 - [Fanfare] - All right, Herb, take a deep breath and relax, will you? 231 00:12:53,896 --> 00:12:57,491 And we'll get back to the game after this word from our sponsor. 232 00:13:00,369 --> 00:13:04,169 Now, friends, I was just wondering, what kind of a day did you have today? 233 00:13:04,273 --> 00:13:07,174 Did you greet the sunrise with plenty of vim, vigor and vitality, 234 00:13:07,276 --> 00:13:10,507 only to feel the wind go out of your sails just after lunchtime? 235 00:13:10,613 --> 00:13:12,706 Do you find you're not having as much fun as you used to? 236 00:13:14,283 --> 00:13:17,252 - This beats the subway, huh, Mr. Stempel? - You said it. 237 00:13:25,161 --> 00:13:27,391 - Hey, Dave! - Hey, Herbie! 238 00:13:27,496 --> 00:13:29,487 [Cheering] 239 00:13:29,598 --> 00:13:32,260 You were the greatest tonight, Herbie! 240 00:13:34,570 --> 00:13:37,368 Great, huh, big guy? 241 00:13:37,473 --> 00:13:41,204 - [Woman] Hey, the audience really loves you! - Herbie, you remember me when! 242 00:13:41,310 --> 00:13:43,301 Herbie! I remember you when! 243 00:13:43,412 --> 00:13:46,313 - Hi, Ellen. - Hey, Herbie, what color was she? 244 00:13:46,415 --> 00:13:49,213 You looked so good on TV tonight, Herbie! 245 00:13:49,318 --> 00:13:53,982 - You should have gone for 11 on the movies, Herbie. - You should win $100,000. 246 00:13:54,089 --> 00:13:55,989 Hey, you were really cookin' tonight, Stempel. 247 00:13:56,091 --> 00:13:58,252 - Of course I watched it. - You didn't go to the show? 248 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,851 The genius is home. The rich genius is home. 249 00:14:00,963 --> 00:14:04,592 - I watched it on television like everybody else. - Would you tell him that-- 250 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:06,600 You were great tonight, Herb. 251 00:14:06,702 --> 00:14:08,727 Come on. I wanna dance. Dance with me. 252 00:14:08,838 --> 00:14:11,898 - Looking for the light - Would you ask him for me, please, right now? 253 00:14:12,007 --> 00:14:16,535 - Of a new love - Mother wants to know why you only went for 8 on the movies. 254 00:14:16,645 --> 00:14:19,978 Because my real expertise is pain-in-the-ass in-laws. Now would you get off the phone? 255 00:14:20,082 --> 00:14:23,313 - I'm not gonna start with this. - Tell him that everybody is watching that show. 256 00:14:23,419 --> 00:14:26,320 Steve Allen is gettin' a busy signal because my mother-in-law won't shut up. 257 00:14:26,422 --> 00:14:29,653 - Look, Ma, I got-- I gotta go. - You're upset, and I don't want to have to deal with it. 258 00:14:29,758 --> 00:14:31,919 - All right. Good-bye. - Call me before you go to bed. That's all I'm sayin'. 259 00:14:32,027 --> 00:14:36,054 What are you doin'? My father paid good money for this suit. 260 00:14:36,165 --> 00:14:39,794 - He wore it to his own funeral. - You make it sound like it was the suit that killed him. 261 00:14:39,902 --> 00:14:43,668 You wanna know why Enright makes me wear that suit? Because it makes me look like a schmuck. 262 00:14:43,772 --> 00:14:45,672 Yeah, well, stop actin' like a schmuck then. 263 00:14:45,774 --> 00:14:49,335 You don't get it, do you? I go out on the street, and everybody knows me. 264 00:14:49,445 --> 00:14:53,939 Me. Herb Stempel. And they love me for the same reason they used to hate me. 265 00:14:54,049 --> 00:14:56,074 Because I'm the guy who knows everything. 266 00:14:56,185 --> 00:14:59,746 You should worship the ground I walk on, what my family's done for you. 267 00:14:59,855 --> 00:15:02,153 You wanna be worshipped? Go to India and moo. 268 00:15:02,258 --> 00:15:05,386 Without my family, you'd be on that show in your underwear. 269 00:15:05,494 --> 00:15:08,361 Things are gonna change around here, boy. 270 00:15:08,464 --> 00:15:10,762 What does that mean, everything's gonna change? 271 00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:13,699 You think I should get my teeth capped? 272 00:15:16,038 --> 00:15:17,938 What's gonna change, Herbert? 273 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,201 Everything's gonna change. 274 00:15:21,744 --> 00:15:24,975 For us. 275 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,514 Hey, what the hell were you thinking? 276 00:15:27,616 --> 00:15:30,813 Toby, that box is the biggest thing... 277 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,821 since Gutenberg invented the printing press, 278 00:15:33,923 --> 00:15:35,823 and I'm the biggest thing on it. 279 00:15:37,359 --> 00:15:39,623 We don't need your mother and her money anymore. 280 00:15:39,728 --> 00:15:42,993 Don't you wanna tell her where to get off after 28 years? 281 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,900 Now would you please... 282 00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:49,997 dance with me? 283 00:15:50,105 --> 00:15:53,336 Dancing in the dark 284 00:15:53,442 --> 00:15:55,501 Until the tune ends 285 00:15:55,611 --> 00:15:59,911 We're dancing in the dark 286 00:16:00,015 --> 00:16:02,506 And it soon ends 287 00:16:02,618 --> 00:16:04,518 We're waltzing 288 00:16:04,620 --> 00:16:09,853 In the wonder of why we're here-- 289 00:16:09,959 --> 00:16:12,553 Because of a disagreement with his commanding general, 290 00:16:12,661 --> 00:16:17,894 Ulysses S. Grant was virtually placed under arrest for a brief time early in 1862. 291 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,594 Who was the commanding general of the Union army at that time? 292 00:16:20,703 --> 00:16:24,139 Oh, I know that. Uh, Halleck. General H.W. Halleck. 293 00:16:24,239 --> 00:16:27,731 That's correct. Who was Sebastian Cabot... 294 00:16:27,843 --> 00:16:30,311 - and what country was he in the service of? - Hey, Terry. 295 00:16:30,412 --> 00:16:34,178 - [Van Doren] He was, uh, an explorer from Spain. - That's correct. 296 00:16:34,283 --> 00:16:38,151 - Who founded the former hub of the Byzantine Empire, - Who's that guy in the corner? 297 00:16:38,253 --> 00:16:40,221 - Constantinople? - Constantine the First. 298 00:16:40,322 --> 00:16:42,222 Charles Van Doren. 299 00:16:42,324 --> 00:16:44,918 Charles Van Doren? Like Van Doren Van Doren? 300 00:16:46,628 --> 00:16:49,495 - He wants to be on Tic-Tac-Dough? - I guess so. 301 00:16:49,598 --> 00:16:52,533 - Meriwether Lewis. - That's it. 302 00:16:52,634 --> 00:16:55,501 Who was the editor of the socialist paper-- 303 00:16:55,604 --> 00:16:58,038 Oh, this is the guy. This is the guy 304 00:16:58,140 --> 00:17:00,404 I got the guy I got the guy 305 00:17:00,509 --> 00:17:02,409 I got the guy! 306 00:17:03,512 --> 00:17:06,037 - [Door Opening] - I got the guy. 307 00:17:06,415 --> 00:17:08,076 So I turned to astrophysics, 308 00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:11,711 but, of course, as you know, all the great physicists were great before the age of 25. 309 00:17:11,820 --> 00:17:14,084 [Chuckling] It just wasn't in the cards. 310 00:17:14,189 --> 00:17:18,558 - So I went to Paris and wrote my novel about a patricide. - What? 311 00:17:18,660 --> 00:17:22,289 A boy who kills his father. 312 00:17:22,398 --> 00:17:24,332 M-My dad liked it quite a lot, actually, 313 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:27,664 although you could fill Yankee Stadium with the world's mediocre novelists. 314 00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:29,567 And your father is Carl Van Doren. 315 00:17:29,671 --> 00:17:32,401 My uncle. My father is Mark Van Doren, the poet. 316 00:17:32,508 --> 00:17:35,966 He also teaches-- l-l mean, I also teach at Columbia. Literature. 317 00:17:36,078 --> 00:17:39,946 - Same as, uh, same as Dad. - Oh, same as Dad, huh? That's nice. 318 00:17:40,049 --> 00:17:42,108 Could I ask you a personal question, Professor? 319 00:17:42,217 --> 00:17:44,344 Actually, I'm not a professor yet. I'm just an instructor. 320 00:17:44,453 --> 00:17:46,387 How much do they pay instructors up at Columbia? 321 00:17:46,488 --> 00:17:50,288 - Eighty-six dollars a week. - You have any idea how much Bozo the Clown makes? 322 00:17:50,392 --> 00:17:52,622 Well, we-- we can't all be Bozo the Clown. 323 00:17:52,728 --> 00:17:55,322 No, no, not to question your choice of profession. Not at all. 324 00:17:55,431 --> 00:17:58,332 I'm questioning the values of a society that pays somebody like you-- 325 00:17:58,434 --> 00:18:00,334 - What was it? - Eighty-six dollars a week. 326 00:18:00,436 --> 00:18:02,996 Eighty-six dollars a week. You plan on raising a family, right, Professor? 327 00:18:03,105 --> 00:18:05,938 - Yes, I hope to, very much. - Can you imagine raising a family on 86 dollars a week? 328 00:18:06,041 --> 00:18:09,477 Eighty-six dollars a week. And meanwhile, look at the crisis of education in this country. 329 00:18:09,578 --> 00:18:12,274 W-Well, yes, l-l agree. It's a national problem. 330 00:18:12,381 --> 00:18:14,975 So I understand you came down to try out for Tic-Tac-Dough. 331 00:18:15,084 --> 00:18:19,077 Well, my friends tell me I have a good mind for this sort of thing. They coaxed me-- 332 00:18:19,188 --> 00:18:22,555 How'd you like to be on Twenty-One? 333 00:18:22,658 --> 00:18:25,092 - Twenty-One? - Dan produces both shows. 334 00:18:25,194 --> 00:18:27,321 You're young; you're clean-cut; you're from a prominent family. 335 00:18:27,429 --> 00:18:29,795 Kids would run to do their homework to be like Charles Van Doren. 336 00:18:29,898 --> 00:18:32,230 - What about, uh, Herbert Stempel? - What about him? 337 00:18:32,334 --> 00:18:34,825 - Herb? Oh, I love him. People don't like him. - Well, we love Herb. 338 00:18:34,937 --> 00:18:37,303 - Kids don't look up to him. - If you were a kid, would you want to be... 339 00:18:37,406 --> 00:18:39,567 an annoying Jewish guy with a sidewall haircut? 340 00:18:39,675 --> 00:18:43,042 - Well, I wanted to be Joe DiMaggio. - Oh, yeah? Me too. 341 00:18:43,145 --> 00:18:45,306 - Especially after he signed for the hundred grand. - Yeah, Al-- 342 00:18:45,414 --> 00:18:48,906 But you see, that's what this country needs, is an intellectual Joe DiMaggio, 343 00:18:49,017 --> 00:18:52,384 with the women and the money and all of it, but from his brain instead of a bat and ball. 344 00:18:52,488 --> 00:18:55,082 - Dan. - I know. You're probably right. 345 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:58,887 Yeah, boy. What are we gonna do here? 346 00:19:00,095 --> 00:19:01,995 Well, I could take a whack at it. 347 00:19:06,902 --> 00:19:11,601 Yeah, see, the problem, Professor, is the old college try ain't gonna do it. 348 00:19:11,707 --> 00:19:14,574 And you've seen Stempel. [Chuckling] The guy's unbeatable. 349 00:19:14,676 --> 00:19:17,270 I have to admit Tic-Tac-Dough seemed more feasible. 350 00:19:17,379 --> 00:19:20,507 What if we were to put you on the show-- 351 00:19:20,616 --> 00:19:23,676 Put you on Twenty-One and ask you questions that you know. 352 00:19:23,785 --> 00:19:27,277 Say, the questions that he answered correctly on the test this morning. 353 00:19:27,389 --> 00:19:30,222 - l-l don't follow you. - Just thinkin' out loud. 354 00:19:30,325 --> 00:19:33,988 I thought the questions were in a bank vault. 355 00:19:34,096 --> 00:19:36,360 - In a way, they are. - You wanna win, don't you? 356 00:19:36,465 --> 00:19:40,834 - Well, I think I'd really rather try to beat him honestly. - What's dishonest? 357 00:19:40,936 --> 00:19:44,133 When Gregory Peck parachutes behind enemy lines, do you think that's really Gregory Peck? 358 00:19:44,239 --> 00:19:47,140 That book that Eisenhower wrote? A ghostwriter wrote it. Nobody cares. 359 00:19:47,242 --> 00:19:50,143 It's not like we'd be giving you the answers. Just 'cause we know you know, you still know. 360 00:19:50,245 --> 00:19:52,270 Right. It's not like you're putting me on the show, or Al, 361 00:19:52,381 --> 00:19:54,679 and pretending to be some sort of intellectual. 362 00:19:54,783 --> 00:19:57,274 You have put in years of study and erudition. 363 00:19:57,386 --> 00:20:01,686 I mean, I-- I'm just trying to imagine what Kant would make of this. 364 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:04,190 I don't think he'd have a problem with it. 365 00:20:04,293 --> 00:20:07,057 Think about what this could mean for the cause of education. 366 00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:09,892 Forty million people will watch you on Twenty-One. 367 00:20:09,998 --> 00:20:12,899 It's not like anybody has to know. Just us three. 368 00:20:21,910 --> 00:20:24,674 It just doesn't seem right. 369 00:20:24,780 --> 00:20:27,180 l-l'd have to say no. 370 00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:31,084 Just an idea. 371 00:20:34,389 --> 00:20:37,085 Was that part of the test? 372 00:20:46,735 --> 00:20:48,635 - So we're okay. - You're gonna give it a try. 373 00:20:48,737 --> 00:20:52,730 Well, uh, I just want to make sure it'll be, you know, not... 374 00:20:52,841 --> 00:20:54,741 the way we discussed it before? 375 00:20:54,843 --> 00:20:57,903 - No. So pure, it floats. - Not at all. 376 00:20:58,013 --> 00:21:00,004 Okay? So we'll see you Monday night then. 377 00:21:00,115 --> 00:21:02,276 - You'll come by and see how the show works. - Great. 378 00:21:02,384 --> 00:21:04,352 - All right. And we'll look forward to that. - Monday night. 379 00:21:04,453 --> 00:21:06,353 - Nice meeting you. - Okay. Good-bye. 380 00:21:06,455 --> 00:21:08,787 - Take care. - Bye-bye. 381 00:21:10,092 --> 00:21:14,256 - Reservations are at 9:00. - Thanks. All right. 382 00:21:14,363 --> 00:21:16,661 - Boys. - Hi, Jack. - Hi, Jack. 383 00:21:16,765 --> 00:21:20,326 - Who's that? - That's Charles Van Doren. 384 00:21:20,435 --> 00:21:23,165 - As in Van Doren Van Doren? - Van Doren. Yes. 385 00:21:23,272 --> 00:21:27,003 - Oh. - He wants to be on Tic-Tac-Dough. 386 00:21:27,109 --> 00:21:31,011 Now, why would a guy like that want to be on a quiz show? 387 00:21:34,316 --> 00:21:36,250 Richard Goodwin. I'm an investigator. 388 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,920 An investigator. Richard Goodwin with the Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 389 00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:44,925 I'm calling because the rate schedules for the Baltimore and Ohio... 390 00:21:45,027 --> 00:21:49,225 for the first four months of 1954 seem to be missing from the documents you just sent me. 391 00:21:49,331 --> 00:21:51,265 Oh, go get 'em, Dickie. They're sweatin' now. 392 00:21:51,366 --> 00:21:53,698 Do they know you were first in your class at Harvard Law School? 393 00:21:53,802 --> 00:21:56,293 Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. I was first in my class at Harvard Law School. 394 00:21:56,405 --> 00:21:58,965 - There we go. What have you got? - Forty-three seconds. 395 00:21:59,074 --> 00:22:00,905 - Not bad. - Railroad regulation. 396 00:22:01,009 --> 00:22:04,809 - Now that's political dynamite he's playing with. - Oh, just an oversight. 397 00:22:04,913 --> 00:22:07,074 - [Both] We're an oversight committee. - Right. 398 00:22:07,182 --> 00:22:09,082 The end of next week. That'll be just fine. 399 00:22:09,184 --> 00:22:11,084 And I'll send you a little helpful reminder, okay? 400 00:22:11,186 --> 00:22:14,383 - You'll notice it 'cause it'll look very much like a subpoena. - [Men] Ohhh. 401 00:22:14,489 --> 00:22:17,754 - Thank you. - You know, Dick, you stick with this-- I don't know. 402 00:22:17,859 --> 00:22:21,522 Ten, fifteen years, you could bring the Interstate Commerce Commission to its knees. 403 00:22:21,630 --> 00:22:24,224 Of course, by then, there may not be railroads. 404 00:22:24,333 --> 00:22:27,325 - [Laughing] - You'll still be sittin' right there, too, Alex. 405 00:22:27,436 --> 00:22:29,700 - He's so sensitive. - Truce. 406 00:22:30,806 --> 00:22:32,706 Herb, you got ten points. 407 00:22:32,808 --> 00:22:36,471 The category is "Explorers." How many you want to try for? 408 00:22:36,578 --> 00:22:39,513 - [Herb] I'll try for 11 points, Mr. Barry. - Hello! 409 00:22:39,614 --> 00:22:41,639 [Barry] Gonna go all the way, huh? All right. 410 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:46,278 I'm gonna name four spots on the globe. You name the explorer who discovered them. 411 00:22:46,388 --> 00:22:49,846 - First: Newfoundland. - John Cabot. 412 00:22:49,958 --> 00:22:52,620 Hi. I see you're really churning out the chapters today. 413 00:22:52,728 --> 00:22:55,458 Go away. No cigar in the bedroom. 414 00:22:55,564 --> 00:22:58,692 - That's correct. The Cape of Good Hope. - Out. 415 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,462 No cigar in the bedroom. We allow a television in the bedroom, 416 00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:03,595 but no cigar in the bedroom. 417 00:23:03,705 --> 00:23:05,730 - This-- - [Herb] Bartolomeu Dias. 418 00:23:05,841 --> 00:23:08,139 - He originally called it-- - You're right, Herb. 419 00:23:08,243 --> 00:23:11,804 So today, chairman calls me aside. 420 00:23:11,913 --> 00:23:13,938 My big break, right? 421 00:23:14,049 --> 00:23:19,248 He asks me to write him a speech to deliver to the Kiwanis Club of Arkadelphia, Arkansas. 422 00:23:19,354 --> 00:23:22,255 You're good at that. Gee, do we get to go there? 423 00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:26,157 Yeah. Just like to know where the challenge is. 424 00:23:26,261 --> 00:23:28,889 You know? I feel like a race horse whose gate won't open. 425 00:23:28,997 --> 00:23:31,431 You didn't want the Wall Street job. 426 00:23:31,533 --> 00:23:34,866 Yeah, I know. Well, money isn't everything. 427 00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:38,406 I'm not the one who came home with the Chrysler catalogue. 428 00:23:38,507 --> 00:23:42,034 Give me the name of the explorer who discovered Mozambique. 429 00:23:42,144 --> 00:23:45,045 - Vasco da Gama. - Vasco da Gama. 430 00:23:45,147 --> 00:23:48,275 - [Herb] Well-- - Maybe I should get on a quiz show. 431 00:23:49,451 --> 00:23:52,147 At least I could get in my own bedroom. 432 00:23:52,254 --> 00:23:55,018 It's just a job, Dick. It's not sex. 433 00:23:57,726 --> 00:23:59,421 Vasco da Gama? 434 00:23:59,528 --> 00:24:01,792 - Great show, Herbie. - Terrific show. I really think so. 435 00:24:01,897 --> 00:24:04,127 - Jack, wasn't Herb terrific tonight? - Can't you see I'm busy, Dan? 436 00:24:04,232 --> 00:24:07,099 - Oh, Herb, I'd like you to meet next week's challenger, - [Van Doren] Okay. 437 00:24:07,202 --> 00:24:11,798 - Charles Van Doren. - Hello. I'm scared of you. Boy, oh, boy, let me tell you. 438 00:24:11,907 --> 00:24:14,341 Scared of me? 439 00:24:23,018 --> 00:24:26,112 - More wine, Herb? - Thank you, Dan. Why not? 440 00:24:30,725 --> 00:24:33,216 You've earned it. How's that steak? 441 00:24:33,328 --> 00:24:35,922 Nothing like a fine piece of meat. 442 00:24:36,031 --> 00:24:38,932 You know, Herb, it's a hell of a thing. I'm lookin' at the thing today. 443 00:24:39,034 --> 00:24:40,934 - You know, the Trendex rating? - Yeah? 444 00:24:41,036 --> 00:24:43,834 Well, it's the damndest thing, but you've plateaued. 445 00:24:43,939 --> 00:24:47,670 Plateaued? Wh-What kind of word is that? 446 00:24:47,776 --> 00:24:49,744 - What, plateaued? - Plateaued. 447 00:24:49,845 --> 00:24:51,813 Plateaued? Uh, well, it's like, uh, you-- 448 00:24:51,913 --> 00:24:54,905 - You mean people don't like me anymore? - No, no, no, it's not you per se. 449 00:24:55,016 --> 00:24:57,007 - It's just-- No, it's-- - Maybe I should get my teeth capped. 450 00:24:57,118 --> 00:25:00,144 It's the nature of the show. They've already seen you win, and they want something new. 451 00:25:00,255 --> 00:25:03,418 So what are you saying? You think they want me to lose? 452 00:25:03,525 --> 00:25:05,516 Well, don't you think that's natural? 453 00:25:05,627 --> 00:25:08,824 Joe Louis was the champ for 12 years. Nobody ever wanted Joe Louis to lose. 454 00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:12,696 - Think about the cause of education. - The cause of education? 455 00:25:12,801 --> 00:25:18,205 I waited 29 years for this. Now I'm supposed to take a dive for the cause of education? 456 00:25:18,306 --> 00:25:21,275 I didn't say take a dive. Now I'm askin' you for your help. 457 00:25:21,376 --> 00:25:23,640 Fine. Just let me play it honestly. 458 00:25:23,745 --> 00:25:26,839 - Will you keep your voice down? - Give me a number. Go ahead. Give me a number. 459 00:25:26,948 --> 00:25:31,476 - Excuse me, sir. Give me a number, a-a random number. - I don't know. Twenty-three? 460 00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:34,453 Beethoven was 23 when he composed his first piano sonata. 461 00:25:34,556 --> 00:25:38,822 In 1923, Jack Bentley set the record for average by a pitcher, batting .427. 462 00:25:38,927 --> 00:25:40,827 There are 23 chromosomes in the human egg. 463 00:25:40,929 --> 00:25:42,829 - Herb-- - Also, the human sperm. 464 00:25:42,931 --> 00:25:46,162 Twenty-third president: Benjamin Harrison. Asian countries along the 23rd parallel-- 465 00:25:46,268 --> 00:25:47,929 Look, don't start believing your own bullshit, all right? 466 00:25:48,036 --> 00:25:50,231 You wouldn't know the name of Paul Revere's horse if he took a crap on your lawn. 467 00:25:50,338 --> 00:25:52,363 - She. - What? 468 00:25:52,474 --> 00:25:55,637 - It was a mare, remember? - Look, you lose when I tell you to lose. 469 00:25:55,744 --> 00:25:57,644 - But why now? - It's an arrangement. 470 00:25:57,746 --> 00:26:00,647 - It's always been an arrangement. - But if you told me to lose before, 471 00:26:00,749 --> 00:26:03,217 if you told me to lose right from the beginning, that I'd understand. 472 00:26:03,318 --> 00:26:06,287 That'd be the story of my life. But why now? What did I do? 473 00:26:06,388 --> 00:26:10,825 Look at the big picture. It's not like television is gonna go away, you know. 474 00:26:10,926 --> 00:26:14,418 - I mean, think about the future. - You mean like a panel show? 475 00:26:14,529 --> 00:26:17,862 Uh, check. Look, I'm gonna do what I can do, Herb. 476 00:26:17,966 --> 00:26:20,434 But meanwhile, maybe you could use somebody to talk to. 477 00:26:20,535 --> 00:26:23,936 I'm gonna give you the name of my analyst. Just send me the bills. 478 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,974 - You know, I could be terrific on one of those panel shows. - Here you go, sir. 479 00:26:27,075 --> 00:26:30,238 Witty, off-the-cuff. A Bill Cullen sort of thing. 480 00:26:30,345 --> 00:26:32,609 Now the last category is movies. 481 00:26:32,714 --> 00:26:36,047 We're gonna ask you what won the Academy Award for Best Picture in 1955. 482 00:26:36,151 --> 00:26:38,676 You don't know it. Your answer On The Waterfront. 483 00:26:40,322 --> 00:26:42,847 Oh, no. Oh, no. Don't-- Don't do that. 484 00:26:42,958 --> 00:26:45,984 Not Marty. I saw Marty three times. 485 00:26:46,094 --> 00:26:49,063 The Best Picture from two years ago and I don't know it? 486 00:26:49,164 --> 00:26:51,189 Someone of your intellect, and it's such a simple question. 487 00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:54,359 - Don't you see the drama of that? - Drama? 488 00:26:54,469 --> 00:26:56,801 Herb, don't do this to yourself. 489 00:26:56,905 --> 00:27:00,534 Please, let me lose on a physics question, not Marty, Dan. 490 00:27:01,810 --> 00:27:04,472 Don't do this to me. It's too humiliating. 491 00:27:04,579 --> 00:27:07,639 For 70 grand, Herb, you can afford to be humiliated. 492 00:27:20,729 --> 00:27:23,425 - Who was the captain of the Mayflower? - Christopher Jones. 493 00:27:23,531 --> 00:27:25,431 - What year? - 1620. 494 00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:27,524 Here's Mr. Moto! 495 00:27:27,636 --> 00:27:29,934 [Sports Announcer] And we'll return to Mr. Moto after this. 496 00:27:30,038 --> 00:27:32,632 [Announcer] Will Herbert Stempel become the first man... 497 00:27:32,741 --> 00:27:35,767 to win over $100,000 on television? 498 00:27:35,877 --> 00:27:38,744 No, Herbert Stempel is not going to win over $100,000. 499 00:27:38,847 --> 00:27:40,747 Herbert Stempel is going to take a dive! 500 00:27:40,849 --> 00:27:43,374 Dad, the quiz is tomorrow. If you're gonna talk to the TV-- 501 00:27:43,485 --> 00:27:47,251 - All right, big shot. So who bought Manhattan Island from the Indians? - Peter Minuit. 502 00:27:47,355 --> 00:27:49,255 - What year? - 1626. 503 00:27:49,357 --> 00:27:51,416 - How much? - Twenty-four dollars. 504 00:27:51,526 --> 00:27:53,824 [Announcer] ...this week on Twenty-One. 505 00:27:53,928 --> 00:27:56,522 - Now back to our program. - This week on Twenty-One, 506 00:27:56,631 --> 00:27:59,099 watch Herb Stempel be fed to the Columbia Lions. 507 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,899 Watch Charles Van Doren eat his first kosher meal on Twenty-One. 508 00:28:04,005 --> 00:28:07,634 What are you doing? Why aren't you dressed? 509 00:28:07,742 --> 00:28:12,543 The child has to learn. The child has to learn the depths that humanity can sink to. 510 00:28:12,647 --> 00:28:15,548 The tribes of the Iroquois League: Mohawks, 511 00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:18,847 - Cayugas, Oneidas-- - Twenty-four bucks for Manhattan. First the Indians, then us. 512 00:28:18,953 --> 00:28:21,854 - What's eatin' you? - You know why they call them Indians? 513 00:28:21,956 --> 00:28:23,856 - Because Columbus thought he was in India. - Mohawks, Cayugas-- 514 00:28:23,958 --> 00:28:26,324 They're Indians because some white guy got lost. 515 00:28:26,428 --> 00:28:29,522 You're gonna give him your ulcer. Let him grow up with his own ulcer. 516 00:28:29,631 --> 00:28:33,123 - He wouldn't let me practice my drums. - Who won Best Picture for 1955? 517 00:28:33,234 --> 00:28:35,134 - Marty. - Marty. - Thank you. 518 00:28:35,236 --> 00:28:37,727 - Well, what's the problem? - Lester, do me a favor. 519 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,400 Go in your bedroom, do your homework, all right? Hey, hey! 520 00:28:41,509 --> 00:28:43,534 With your books. 521 00:28:44,479 --> 00:28:46,379 Homework with your books. 522 00:28:46,481 --> 00:28:49,450 [TV Announcer Shouting Excitedly] 523 00:28:50,618 --> 00:28:54,019 - They want me to take a dive. - What? 524 00:28:54,122 --> 00:28:58,422 They're going to ask me what won the Best Picture for 1955, 525 00:28:58,526 --> 00:29:01,757 and I have to answer On The Waterfront. 526 00:29:01,863 --> 00:29:04,832 They have to utz me with a question any child knows. 527 00:29:08,103 --> 00:29:10,936 H-How can they do that? I thought the questions were in a bank vault. 528 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,906 They just put me in an isolation booth and pump cyanide into it. 529 00:29:14,008 --> 00:29:16,033 Herbie, they can't do that. 530 00:29:16,144 --> 00:29:18,874 - How can they do that? - Well, obviously, Toby, 531 00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:21,448 this particular question isn't in the bank vault. 532 00:29:21,549 --> 00:29:24,609 - Why? - How the hell do I know why? 533 00:29:27,355 --> 00:29:29,949 Well, then the hell with them. Just answer Marty then. 534 00:29:30,058 --> 00:29:33,994 - I already agreed. - Well, screw them. 535 00:29:34,095 --> 00:29:37,997 Let them ask you a question you really don't know. Ha. Good luck. 536 00:29:40,602 --> 00:29:45,801 You're Herbert Stempel. What are they gonna do to you? Huh? 537 00:29:45,907 --> 00:29:50,708 [TV Announcer] Judo chop into the throat. Once again, it's a judo chop. 538 00:29:50,812 --> 00:29:53,872 - You're right. What could they do to me? - Yeah. 539 00:29:53,982 --> 00:29:55,882 - Screw 'em. - Yeah. 540 00:29:57,385 --> 00:30:00,411 Remember, call him "Jack" as often as possible. 541 00:30:02,457 --> 00:30:04,357 Jack. 542 00:30:04,459 --> 00:30:06,359 Fifteen seconds. 543 00:30:06,461 --> 00:30:08,452 [Low Voice] Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 544 00:30:08,563 --> 00:30:10,690 [Brightly] Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 545 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,064 - [Stage Manager] Five. - Good evening. I'm Jack... Barry. 546 00:30:14,202 --> 00:30:16,568 - Watch your headroom. - Coming to air in ten, nine, 547 00:30:16,638 --> 00:30:19,163 - I'm Jack Barry. - eight, seven, 548 00:30:19,274 --> 00:30:21,299 - six, five, - Steady, one. 549 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:23,502 - four, three-- - Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 550 00:30:23,611 --> 00:30:26,079 - Two, one. - Fade up. Cue up. 551 00:30:26,181 --> 00:30:28,308 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 552 00:30:28,416 --> 00:30:31,112 So let's meet our first two players as Geritol, 553 00:30:31,219 --> 00:30:34,780 America's #1 tonic, presents: Twenty-One. 554 00:30:34,889 --> 00:30:37,153 From New York City, Mr. Charles Van Doren. 555 00:30:37,258 --> 00:30:40,921 - And returning with $69,500, from Queens, New York, - Van Doren? 556 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:43,020 Mr. Herbert Stempel. 557 00:30:43,131 --> 00:30:45,622 - Think that's his son? - [Barry] Are you related in any way... 558 00:30:45,733 --> 00:30:47,792 - to Mark Van Doren of Columbia University, - I don't know. I guess so. 559 00:30:47,902 --> 00:30:50,393 - the famous poet and author? - Yes, he's my father. 560 00:30:50,505 --> 00:30:54,271 - He is your father. - Yes, both he and my uncle Carl have won the Pulitzer Prize, 561 00:30:54,375 --> 00:30:58,937 and Dorothy Van Doren, the author of the recent The Country Wife, is my mother. 562 00:30:59,047 --> 00:31:01,515 - [Barry] Okay, Herb, you know something about Mr. Van Doren. - Joey, punch the audio a little. 563 00:31:01,616 --> 00:31:06,178 You have $69,500. Do you want to take it and quit while you're ahead... 564 00:31:06,287 --> 00:31:08,346 or risk it by playing against him? 565 00:31:13,995 --> 00:31:15,895 It's a tough decision, I know. 566 00:31:17,699 --> 00:31:19,633 - What'll it be? - l-l'll take a chance. 567 00:31:19,734 --> 00:31:21,634 You will take a chance. All right, then, here we go, gentlemen. 568 00:31:21,736 --> 00:31:25,228 You sure Herbie's on board with this? 569 00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:27,240 Can I take the third part last? 570 00:31:27,342 --> 00:31:31,870 I guess-- I guess that Atahualpa was the leader of the Incas at the time of the conquest. 571 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:35,245 - [Barry] Correct. - Wouldn't that be William Allen White? 572 00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:38,012 - [Barry] That's correct. - I'd like to take the third part last. 573 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,644 His fourth wife was Anne of Cleves. 574 00:31:41,756 --> 00:31:43,986 He divorced Catherine of Aragon. 575 00:31:44,092 --> 00:31:47,584 - He divorced her. - He beheaded Anne Boleyn. 576 00:31:47,695 --> 00:31:52,894 - Well, they all died. - Herb Stempel leads at this point by 18 to 10. 577 00:31:53,001 --> 00:31:55,435 - Herb? - Yes, Mr. Barry? 578 00:31:55,536 --> 00:31:59,097 The category is "Movies." How many points you want to try for? 579 00:31:59,207 --> 00:32:01,869 I'll try for three. Three points. 580 00:32:01,976 --> 00:32:07,846 Which motion picture won the Academy Award for 1955? 581 00:32:13,688 --> 00:32:15,622 Marty. 582 00:32:24,832 --> 00:32:27,426 Best Picture. 583 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:32,635 - Marty. - Best Picture. 584 00:32:34,242 --> 00:32:36,142 Marty. 585 00:32:41,416 --> 00:32:44,908 He doesn't know it? 586 00:32:45,019 --> 00:32:48,113 [Barry] All right, Herb, I'll tell you when your time is up. 587 00:32:54,395 --> 00:32:57,489 I don't re-remember. I don't remember. 588 00:33:00,835 --> 00:33:02,735 Are you sure you wouldn't want to guess at it, Herb? 589 00:33:02,837 --> 00:33:04,896 - Otherwise, I'll have to call it wrong. - Wait. 590 00:33:06,441 --> 00:33:08,705 Marty. 591 00:33:11,713 --> 00:33:14,409 [Barry] Your time is up, Herb. I'll need your answer. 592 00:33:15,783 --> 00:33:17,683 Best Picture... 593 00:33:19,187 --> 00:33:21,747 of 1955-- 594 00:33:21,856 --> 00:33:23,756 On The Waterfront? 595 00:33:25,626 --> 00:33:28,094 [Barry] No, I'm sorry. The answer is Marty. 596 00:33:28,196 --> 00:33:31,688 [Audience Exclaiming] 597 00:33:34,435 --> 00:33:37,063 Marty. It was Marty that won the Academy Award... 598 00:33:37,171 --> 00:33:40,436 for Best Picture in 1955. 599 00:33:40,541 --> 00:33:44,500 - Marty was Ernest Borgnine. - Geez, what an easy question. 600 00:33:44,612 --> 00:33:47,979 The Academy Award for 1955. You lose three points. 601 00:33:48,082 --> 00:33:51,313 You go back down to 15. Better luck on the next round. 602 00:33:51,419 --> 00:33:54,616 And now for you, Professor, the category is... 603 00:33:55,723 --> 00:33:57,623 Civil War. 604 00:33:57,725 --> 00:33:59,955 How many points you want to try for, from 1 to 11? 605 00:34:00,061 --> 00:34:02,962 Civil War. That's a-- That's an awful big subject. 606 00:34:04,899 --> 00:34:08,232 Well, here goes nothing. I'll-- I'll try for 11. 607 00:34:08,336 --> 00:34:12,204 Eleven points will bring you to 21, and you will be our new champion! 608 00:34:12,306 --> 00:34:15,400 - [Thump] - Because of a disagreement with his commanding general, 609 00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:17,774 Ulysses S. Grant was virtually placed under arrest... 610 00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:21,110 for a brief time early in 1862. 611 00:34:21,215 --> 00:34:24,878 Who was the commanding general of the Union army at that time? 612 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,218 Tough question. 613 00:34:33,327 --> 00:34:35,659 It's just so oddly familiar. 614 00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:44,536 [Barry] Would you like some more time? 615 00:34:50,244 --> 00:34:53,736 - Whatever you can spare. - All right. 616 00:35:00,488 --> 00:35:03,924 Do you know the name? 617 00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:12,093 Yes, I know his name. Halleck. General H.W. Halleck. 618 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,068 You are our new champion for $20,000! 619 00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:19,139 [Audience Applauding] 620 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,334 [Barry] Come on out, Herb. Come on out, Professor. 621 00:35:24,045 --> 00:35:26,240 Wasn't that somethin', folks? Huh? 622 00:35:26,347 --> 00:35:29,680 You feelin' all right? 623 00:35:29,784 --> 00:35:33,220 Very good. Perhaps we can get an ice pack out here for the professor. 624 00:35:33,321 --> 00:35:35,516 I suspect his gray matter is red-hot. 625 00:35:35,623 --> 00:35:37,750 I wonder if he's married. 626 00:35:37,859 --> 00:35:41,625 Our congratulations for a wonderful victory. Professor Charles Van Doren. 627 00:35:41,729 --> 00:35:45,460 I am constantly amazed at the facts these guys have at their fingertips. 628 00:35:45,566 --> 00:35:47,557 - Tough questions tonight. - Uh, yeah. Oh, well, not really. 629 00:35:47,668 --> 00:35:50,796 Wow, you were fantastic. Hey, you better unlist your phone number. 630 00:35:50,905 --> 00:35:53,772 Can you believe the pressure? Look at him; he's soakin' wet. 631 00:35:53,875 --> 00:35:56,435 - Is this guy a natural or what? Jesus! - He's a natural. 632 00:35:56,544 --> 00:35:58,910 - Do you think he's involved with anyone? - I don't know. 633 00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:02,676 I'm gonna miss ya, Herb. You know, I'm really gonna miss this guy. 634 00:36:02,783 --> 00:36:04,683 - Hey, Dan, listen, that guy is really terrific. - Oh, hi. 635 00:36:04,785 --> 00:36:07,413 - We could easily beat out I Love Lucy with him. - I know we can. 636 00:36:07,522 --> 00:36:09,752 Let's get a photo here. Oh, George. Here we go. 637 00:36:09,857 --> 00:36:13,520 Charles Van Doren. Miles Bronfman, an executive here at the network. 638 00:36:13,628 --> 00:36:16,495 - Oh, there we go. - So what do you think, Charlie? You excited? 639 00:36:16,597 --> 00:36:18,622 - Professor, can I interrupt you? - Charlie, I just wanted to-- 640 00:36:18,733 --> 00:36:22,169 - My son was in your father's class. Says he's a saint. - Oh, really? 641 00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:25,000 Charlie, I want you to meet Bill Henderson. He promotes the show. 642 00:36:25,106 --> 00:36:27,540 - Congratulations. Sensational. Just sensational. - Thank you. 643 00:36:27,642 --> 00:36:30,702 Now we have a clean-cut intellectual instead of a freak with a sponge memory. 644 00:36:30,811 --> 00:36:33,905 - See you next week, Charlie. - Oh, I don't even want to think about that. I was so nervous. 645 00:36:34,015 --> 00:36:35,949 Dan! Dan! 646 00:36:37,084 --> 00:36:39,678 So pure, it floats? Hmm? 647 00:36:39,787 --> 00:36:41,982 Are you kidding? It was great. 648 00:36:42,089 --> 00:36:44,557 Go home and have a martini. We'll talk in the morning. 649 00:36:44,659 --> 00:36:47,685 Uh, l-l'm gonna take the stairs. 650 00:36:50,565 --> 00:36:54,399 - How did you know he'd go for it? - What would you do? 651 00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:59,032 [Muttering] 652 00:36:59,140 --> 00:37:01,700 Meanwhile, it's okay if you know the answer. 653 00:37:01,809 --> 00:37:04,778 Yeah, so it's-- My God, it's not like I haven't worked hard. 654 00:37:04,879 --> 00:37:07,677 I deserve $20,000 as much as anybody. 655 00:37:07,782 --> 00:37:09,682 My God! $20,000. 656 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:19,723 The highest navigable lake in the world is: 657 00:37:19,827 --> 00:37:22,728 - Lake Titicaca. - Lake Titicaca. 658 00:37:22,830 --> 00:37:25,890 - That'd have to be Lake Titicaca. - Correct for ten points! 659 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,900 [Applause] 660 00:37:28,002 --> 00:37:30,562 [Charlie] Michel Montaigne. Around his neck, 661 00:37:30,671 --> 00:37:34,903 Montaigne wore a medallion which read: "What do I know?" 662 00:37:35,009 --> 00:37:38,911 - Hello. This is Herb Stempel calling for Mr. Enright. - I'm terribly sorry; he's not in. 663 00:37:39,013 --> 00:37:41,709 Our current reigning champion, from New York, New York, 664 00:37:41,816 --> 00:37:44,944 Mr. Charles Van Doren. 665 00:37:45,052 --> 00:37:48,988 [Barry] ...twenty-four hours, Geritol liquid, or now, in new-- 666 00:37:49,090 --> 00:37:52,423 It's the only town house available in the Village. 667 00:37:54,061 --> 00:37:55,961 I think I'll take it. 668 00:37:56,063 --> 00:37:59,760 - Will do. It's just that he's out of the office right now-- - This is Herb Stempel. 669 00:37:59,867 --> 00:38:02,097 This is about the 17th time I've called. 670 00:38:02,203 --> 00:38:04,103 I guess William Pitt the Elder. 671 00:38:04,205 --> 00:38:06,105 You have 21! 672 00:38:06,207 --> 00:38:08,107 [Applause] 673 00:38:08,209 --> 00:38:10,609 Come to me, Charlie. Good. Smile. Hold the bag right there. 674 00:38:10,711 --> 00:38:12,611 Hold it right there. Good. 675 00:38:12,713 --> 00:38:15,841 [Announcer] Here, Professor Van Doren turns in the evidence of his amazing popularity: 676 00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:18,578 thousands of letters a week for the egghead turned national hero. 677 00:38:18,686 --> 00:38:20,813 Winnings to date: $50,000! 678 00:38:20,921 --> 00:38:23,617 Hey, Charlie! The check's in the mail. 679 00:38:23,724 --> 00:38:25,624 - Is Mr. Enright in? - I'm sorry; he's not right now. 680 00:38:25,726 --> 00:38:29,093 This is Herb Stempel. You tell him that he promised that he would call me back, 681 00:38:29,196 --> 00:38:31,096 and if he doesn't, something is going to happen. 682 00:38:31,198 --> 00:38:34,463 - Do you understand that? That's right. Okay, bye. - I understand. 683 00:38:42,176 --> 00:38:44,337 You just tell Mr. Enright that if he doesn't want to talk to me, 684 00:38:44,445 --> 00:38:46,345 maybe the district attorney would like to talk to me. 685 00:38:46,447 --> 00:38:48,745 - If he wants to play hardball, I'll play hardball. - Very well. 686 00:38:48,849 --> 00:38:51,716 - Good morning, Mr. Van Doren. - Hello. 687 00:39:06,534 --> 00:39:08,729 [Barry] And returning with $83,000, 688 00:39:08,836 --> 00:39:11,862 our champion, after seven weeks, Charles Van Doren. 689 00:39:11,972 --> 00:39:14,964 - [Applause] - Welcome to Twenty-One, gentlemen. 690 00:39:15,076 --> 00:39:17,510 - [Van Doren] Evening, Jack. - Charlie-- 691 00:39:17,611 --> 00:39:20,273 - [Screaming] - Gentlemen, please. 692 00:39:26,253 --> 00:39:30,553 It was a totally humiliating experience. All my friends knew that I loved Marty. 693 00:39:30,658 --> 00:39:35,118 It's one of my favorite films. l-l-l saw it three times. It's about a boy in the Bronx-- 694 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,368 Mr. Enright will see you now. 695 00:39:47,274 --> 00:39:49,174 Have a seat, Herb. 696 00:39:56,384 --> 00:40:00,286 Thanks for comin' up. I feel we have some unfinished business we need to hash out. 697 00:40:00,388 --> 00:40:02,549 I have some unfinished business with you too. 698 00:40:02,656 --> 00:40:05,124 This whole thing with the grand jury and the things you said, 699 00:40:05,226 --> 00:40:07,558 well, they hurt me. 700 00:40:07,661 --> 00:40:10,357 I can't tell you how-- Well, they hurt me deeply. 701 00:40:10,464 --> 00:40:13,592 - I told the truth. - There you go again. 702 00:40:13,701 --> 00:40:16,226 You promised me, Dan. Y-You promised that you'd help me out. 703 00:40:16,337 --> 00:40:19,238 Don't you think that I want to help you more than I already have? 704 00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:23,208 - But the point is, you've made it impossible. - Look, you want me to apologize? 705 00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:25,210 - I want you to sign this statement. - I apologize. 706 00:40:25,312 --> 00:40:29,442 - What kind of statement? - It clears me and the show of any wrongdoing. 707 00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:33,486 - What about the panel show? - See? That's a perfect example. 708 00:40:33,587 --> 00:40:37,956 I told you I'd do what I could, and I did. I put your name on a list. 709 00:40:38,058 --> 00:40:40,356 You put me on a list? That's it? 710 00:40:40,461 --> 00:40:43,225 NBC owns our company. Everything goes through them. 711 00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:46,788 NBC bought your company for two million bucks. What about me? 712 00:40:46,901 --> 00:40:49,893 People watched me on that show. Look. Look. Look at this. 713 00:40:50,004 --> 00:40:53,531 - Oh, Herb, don't start-- - "He has become a friend in over 50 million homes, 714 00:40:53,641 --> 00:40:57,270 whose weekly visits the whole family eagerly anticipates." 715 00:40:57,378 --> 00:41:00,711 - I was a friend, too, in 50 million homes. - Look, what can I tell you, Herb? 716 00:41:00,815 --> 00:41:03,147 - Life is unfair. - Life is unfair to me. 717 00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:05,218 Life's not unfair to Charles Van Doren. 718 00:41:05,319 --> 00:41:07,480 Remember how he snubbed me after the show? 719 00:41:07,588 --> 00:41:11,786 - There'll be other shows. - What other shows? I need the money, Dan. 720 00:41:11,892 --> 00:41:15,225 Wha-- What? How could you need the money? 721 00:41:15,329 --> 00:41:17,854 It's gone. I mean it's invested. It's tied up. It's-- 722 00:41:17,965 --> 00:41:21,560 - Well, can't you talk to your broker? - He's not a broker. 723 00:41:21,669 --> 00:41:23,694 He's more of a bookmaker. It's seed money. 724 00:41:23,804 --> 00:41:26,796 He's setting up in Florida right now. He says it's the next growth area. 725 00:41:26,907 --> 00:41:30,172 You gave your money to a bookie who skipped town? 726 00:41:30,277 --> 00:41:33,678 l-l want what I have coming, Dan. I have to get back on television. 727 00:41:33,781 --> 00:41:36,477 - Herb, I'm gonna-- - Show me this list. Where's this list? 728 00:41:36,584 --> 00:41:39,417 [Sighs] I submitted a list of 45 names. 729 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,613 They rejected three. You were one of them. 730 00:41:41,722 --> 00:41:45,385 That big uncircumcised putz is on the cover of Time magazine, 731 00:41:45,493 --> 00:41:47,859 and I can't even make the top 42 for a panel show. 732 00:41:47,962 --> 00:41:51,022 Look, maybe you could warm up the audience before the show. 733 00:41:51,131 --> 00:41:54,032 - I could throw you 50 bucks a week. - Fifty bucks a week? 734 00:41:54,134 --> 00:41:56,102 That should be me on the cover of Time. 735 00:41:56,203 --> 00:41:58,865 - Shit, Herb, just sign the statement. - Charles Van Doren. 736 00:41:58,973 --> 00:42:01,339 He wouldn't know the answer to a doorbell if you didn't give it to him. 737 00:42:01,442 --> 00:42:03,535 Sign the statement, and get on with your life! 738 00:42:03,644 --> 00:42:06,374 Sign the statement, Herb. Sign the statement. Who cares if it's true? 739 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,313 - I'm giving you a chance. - You promised me! 740 00:42:09,416 --> 00:42:13,409 You get me that panel show, or I'm gonna bring you down with me, ya lousy, lyin' prick! 741 00:42:13,521 --> 00:42:16,046 - You and Charles Van fuckin' Doren! - No, you're not. 742 00:42:16,156 --> 00:42:18,283 I'll just tell everyone that it's a fraud. That'll warm 'em up. 743 00:42:18,392 --> 00:42:21,725 - "The fix is in, this week on Twenty-One." - When's my next appointment? 744 00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:24,855 The cover of Time? His mug shot will be on the cover of Time! 745 00:42:28,469 --> 00:42:30,733 What the hell happened? 746 00:42:30,838 --> 00:42:33,204 [Sighs] Oy. 747 00:42:34,708 --> 00:42:36,608 Why am I the only one workin' this mornin'? 748 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:40,476 - You got here earlier, Mooie. - "Demonstrators stoned Vice President Nixon's motorcade... 749 00:42:40,581 --> 00:42:42,708 as it proceeded through Caracas." 750 00:42:42,816 --> 00:42:45,842 - Gee, Dick, what's the New York Times say? Same thing? - Generally. 751 00:42:45,953 --> 00:42:49,150 Most people who live in Washington settle for the Washington papers. 752 00:42:49,256 --> 00:42:51,224 [Goodwin] Well, the Times is the paper of record. 753 00:42:51,325 --> 00:42:53,520 - Ahh. - Ooh. 754 00:42:53,627 --> 00:42:56,323 Dick hopes someday to be confused with an important person. 755 00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:59,490 "Although the crowd was cordoned off at a distance of a hundred yards, 756 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,162 an unidentified Venezuelan struck Nixon in the head with a thrown onion." 757 00:43:04,271 --> 00:43:06,637 - Ow! - The Senators should sign this guy. 758 00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:09,300 Did you guys know there was a grand jury in New York on the quiz shows? 759 00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:13,039 Jim Lemon can't even hit the cutoff man. This guy throws a 300-foot strike with an onion. 760 00:43:13,147 --> 00:43:16,048 - Have they come up with anything? - They sealed the presentment. 761 00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:18,550 - That's a no. - Why do you say that? 762 00:43:18,652 --> 00:43:20,552 A presentment's a statement of findings. 763 00:43:20,654 --> 00:43:23,555 If there were anything in it, they'd want to release it to the public, right? 764 00:43:23,657 --> 00:43:27,218 If the purpose is to make findings public, then why keep it a secret? 765 00:43:32,099 --> 00:43:34,226 [Goodwin] Why seal the presentment? It's illogical. 766 00:43:34,335 --> 00:43:36,667 - It's a local matter. - It's television. 767 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:39,739 Whoa. TV. 768 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,139 It's under our jurisdiction, right? I mean, we have oversight over all the agencies. 769 00:43:43,243 --> 00:43:46,770 - It includes the F.C.C. - You're gonna investigate a dead investigation? 770 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,509 We're gonna put television on trial. Television. 771 00:43:50,618 --> 00:43:52,848 Everybody in the country'll know about it. 772 00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:59,585 - What do you have? - There's somethin' there. 773 00:43:59,693 --> 00:44:02,457 Mr. Chairman, I'll find it. 774 00:44:04,064 --> 00:44:07,500 The networks, pharmaceutical industry? 775 00:44:07,601 --> 00:44:10,195 Cosmetics? [Chuckling] 776 00:44:10,304 --> 00:44:13,762 That's big game, son. You don't go huntin' in your underwear. 777 00:44:13,874 --> 00:44:18,004 Sir, I smell somethin'. At least give me a chance to see what I can dig up. 778 00:44:18,112 --> 00:44:20,307 Let me go up to New York. 779 00:44:20,414 --> 00:44:24,783 [Lishman] Ya know, this isn't some junket for you to stay in a hotel and see a Broadway show. 780 00:44:24,885 --> 00:44:28,218 I'm givin' you exactly one week to find something. You get that? 781 00:44:29,757 --> 00:44:34,194 Unseal a presentment. I don't know. 782 00:44:34,294 --> 00:44:37,058 I don't know how you go about that. I've never-- 783 00:44:38,032 --> 00:44:41,365 Oh, here you go. Look at this. 784 00:44:41,468 --> 00:44:44,904 Hasn't been a presentment under seal in the State of New York since 1869. 785 00:44:45,005 --> 00:44:46,905 That explains it. 786 00:44:47,007 --> 00:44:49,635 - 1869? - Yeah. 787 00:44:49,743 --> 00:44:53,839 Counselor, I've reviewed in detail the material submitted in your request. 788 00:44:53,947 --> 00:44:55,938 A man's reputation is coin of the realm to him. 789 00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:58,280 I sealed this presentment... 790 00:44:58,385 --> 00:45:01,479 to protect the reputations of those unfairly implicated... 791 00:45:01,588 --> 00:45:04,989 by a certain mentally unstable finger-pointer. 792 00:45:05,092 --> 00:45:09,426 That interest, along with important issues of federalism, 793 00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:12,522 dictate that I reject your committee's request at this time. 794 00:45:16,136 --> 00:45:18,070 [Phone Ringing] 795 00:45:20,441 --> 00:45:22,966 Mr. Enright's office. Mr. Enright? 796 00:45:23,077 --> 00:45:24,977 It's Judge Schweitzer. 797 00:45:41,462 --> 00:45:43,362 - Yes? - Hi. Miss Mitchell? 798 00:45:43,464 --> 00:45:45,364 - Uh-huh. - My name is Richard Goodwin. 799 00:45:45,466 --> 00:45:47,866 I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 800 00:45:47,968 --> 00:45:50,198 We've been investigating the quiz shows recently. 801 00:45:50,304 --> 00:45:53,831 - Uh, I was wondering if I could ask you a quick question. - Oh! I've got people. 802 00:45:55,275 --> 00:45:58,005 - Could I just have a moment of your time? - No. 803 00:45:58,112 --> 00:46:01,513 I was curious how many episodes you appeared on. 804 00:46:01,615 --> 00:46:03,515 - Not very many. No. - How-- 805 00:46:03,617 --> 00:46:06,484 - Three weeks. - Did anyone ever ask you not to talk to anyone? 806 00:46:10,457 --> 00:46:12,516 [Announcer] The Today Show with Dave Garroway... 807 00:46:12,626 --> 00:46:15,720 and Dave's regular co-host, Mr. J. Fred Muggs. 808 00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:18,730 Dave's guests this morning are: the Aga Khan, 809 00:46:18,832 --> 00:46:21,824 Lyle Goodhue, inventor of the aerosol spray can... 810 00:46:21,935 --> 00:46:24,836 and quiz champion Charles Van Doren. 811 00:46:24,938 --> 00:46:27,566 Take a look at that. Look at that. You see that? 812 00:46:27,674 --> 00:46:29,938 - Yes. Uh-huh. - [Chattering] 813 00:46:30,043 --> 00:46:32,739 Well, you have that conversation, and I'm gonna begin the show. 814 00:46:32,846 --> 00:46:34,973 I'll see you, Mr. Muggs. 815 00:46:35,082 --> 00:46:37,607 Good morning. 816 00:46:37,718 --> 00:46:39,618 - And good morning, Charlie. - Good morning, Dave. 817 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:41,779 - How are you this morning? - I'm fine, thank you. 818 00:46:41,889 --> 00:46:45,950 I see we have a, uh, an unusually large crowd outside there this morning. 819 00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:48,584 - So how long has it been now, Charlie? - It's been nine weeks now. 820 00:46:48,695 --> 00:46:51,061 - And you've won how much? - $93,000. 821 00:46:51,165 --> 00:46:53,929 - Hmm, so that's, uh, $10,000 a week. - That's right. 822 00:46:54,034 --> 00:46:56,628 Although last week, I know you were preempted for another program. 823 00:46:56,737 --> 00:47:00,537 Well, that's the problem with television. The pay's good, but it's not that steady. 824 00:47:00,641 --> 00:47:03,542 - Don't remind me. I'm up for renewal. - [Laughing] 825 00:47:03,644 --> 00:47:05,874 So tell us about the book you're working on. 826 00:47:05,979 --> 00:47:07,879 Well, it's called Lincoln's Commando, 827 00:47:07,981 --> 00:47:10,472 and I hope people will find it as interesting as I do. 828 00:47:10,584 --> 00:47:12,779 How do you think Honest Abe would do on a quiz show? 829 00:47:14,521 --> 00:47:16,716 - Honest Abe? - Yeah. 830 00:47:16,824 --> 00:47:21,352 Well, I think he'd do very well. And, of course, on a show like this, he'd be wonderful. 831 00:47:21,461 --> 00:47:23,656 I'm sure he would. 832 00:47:28,702 --> 00:47:31,830 [Church Bells Ringing] 833 00:47:34,274 --> 00:47:38,643 - Here we are, Professor. - Yeah, l-l'm just-- I just have to tie my shoe. 834 00:47:55,629 --> 00:47:57,529 [Chattering] 835 00:47:59,099 --> 00:48:01,294 - Hi, Mr. Van Doren. - Hey, Mr. Van Doren. 836 00:48:01,401 --> 00:48:03,801 - Hey! - [Chattering] 837 00:48:06,874 --> 00:48:08,899 - Oh! - Good morning. Hi. 838 00:48:09,009 --> 00:48:11,443 - Good morning, Mr. Van Doren. - Good morning. 839 00:48:11,545 --> 00:48:13,513 - Where's the monkey? - I saw you on TV this morning. 840 00:48:13,614 --> 00:48:17,880 - Is Thomas Merton Episcopalian or Catholic? - Catholic. 841 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,611 Hello. Are you here for office hours? 842 00:48:22,723 --> 00:48:25,521 Oh, no. I'm Richard Goodwin. 843 00:48:25,626 --> 00:48:28,459 - Did Clark Byse call? - Clark Byse? No, he didn't. 844 00:48:28,562 --> 00:48:30,792 See, I'm up from Washington. He suggested I might look you up. 845 00:48:30,898 --> 00:48:33,992 - You're not a stockbroker, are you? - Lawyer, which is bad enough. 846 00:48:34,101 --> 00:48:37,002 - Professor Byse taught me Contracts. - Then we have something in common. 847 00:48:37,104 --> 00:48:40,540 - He taught me my backhand. - I'm with the House Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 848 00:48:40,641 --> 00:48:42,541 I've been swarmed by stockbrokers lately. 849 00:48:42,643 --> 00:48:45,168 I feel like a girl with a bad reputation. 850 00:48:45,279 --> 00:48:47,509 The Committee has jurisdiction over television. 851 00:48:51,018 --> 00:48:52,918 I'm sorry. Please, um, have a seat. 852 00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:54,920 Thank you. 853 00:48:56,823 --> 00:49:01,192 You must have done very well at Harvard. Clark doesn't like anyone. 854 00:49:01,295 --> 00:49:04,128 Uh, I was, uh, actually first in my class. 855 00:49:04,231 --> 00:49:07,098 - You make it sound like an affliction. Did you clerk? - Well-- 856 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,600 - Uh, Frankfurter. - Oh, really? Hmm. 857 00:49:09,703 --> 00:49:12,194 It's nothin'. I tell you, what I love is what you do, literature. 858 00:49:12,306 --> 00:49:16,572 Well, hell, if I was first in my class, I'd get a tattoo. 859 00:49:16,677 --> 00:49:20,773 - So, what brings you to New York, Dick, uh, literature? - Let me ask ya. 860 00:49:20,881 --> 00:49:24,783 Did you ever notice anything out of the ordinary about the quiz show you're on? 861 00:49:24,885 --> 00:49:26,580 What? 862 00:49:26,687 --> 00:49:29,178 Anything suspect. Anything at all. 863 00:49:29,289 --> 00:49:32,019 You mean besides its popularity? 864 00:49:32,125 --> 00:49:34,923 What I'm hoping is that you might be able to give me some kind of road map here. 865 00:49:35,028 --> 00:49:37,861 - I feel like we speak the same language. - Well, of course. 866 00:49:37,965 --> 00:49:40,024 - Anything I can do to help. - [Door Opening] Oh, um, 867 00:49:40,133 --> 00:49:42,033 - Mr. Van Doren. - Yes? Yes, yes. 868 00:49:42,135 --> 00:49:44,365 - I'm sorry. I'm in your class on the Romantics, and, uh-- - Of course you are. 869 00:49:44,471 --> 00:49:47,804 l-l-- Actually, I'm auditing it because you've been on television. 870 00:49:47,908 --> 00:49:50,741 - Do you-- Should I come back later? - Oh, um, if you don't mind-- 871 00:49:50,844 --> 00:49:53,312 - I'll come back. - I tell you what. Why don't you meet me tomorrow? 872 00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:56,246 - I'll take you to lunch at the Athenaeum. - The what? 873 00:49:56,350 --> 00:50:00,684 I'm sorry. The Athenaeum Club at Forty-third and Fifth? Say, uh, tomorrow at noon? 874 00:50:00,787 --> 00:50:02,687 - Lunch at The Athenaeum. - At noon. 875 00:50:02,789 --> 00:50:04,689 - Great. - Great. See you then. 876 00:50:04,791 --> 00:50:06,691 I wanted to talk to you about Ode on a Grecian Urn. 877 00:50:06,793 --> 00:50:08,693 "Beauty is truth; truth, beauty. 878 00:50:08,795 --> 00:50:11,764 That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." 879 00:50:11,865 --> 00:50:14,891 - Does he really mean that about beauty and truth? - Why foster child? I don't under-- 880 00:50:15,002 --> 00:50:17,061 Congress investigates communists. 881 00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:20,230 Congress investigates mobsters. That is not me. 882 00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:23,707 Yeah, well, look on the bright side. You'll be on national television. 883 00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:25,869 - That's a joke, Charlie. - Well, that's not funny. 884 00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:29,415 - Charles Van Doren. Hey! Charles Van Doren! - It's just not funny. 885 00:50:29,516 --> 00:50:31,484 - How ya doin'? - I'm worried about this. 886 00:50:31,585 --> 00:50:34,884 - Yeah, well, look, I alr-- Who was that? - It's just some guy. 887 00:50:34,988 --> 00:50:38,151 Well, look, I already know about this guy Goodwin, and I'm on top of it. So trust me. 888 00:50:38,258 --> 00:50:40,419 - You callin' Information? What are you dialin' for? - You don't understand. 889 00:50:40,527 --> 00:50:44,987 - Oh, for information? Charles Van Doren, he's dialin' for Information. - I have a name. 890 00:50:45,098 --> 00:50:48,158 Hey, Chuck, what do you do? Chuckie! Answer this question. 891 00:50:48,268 --> 00:50:52,204 - l-l'm sorry. I gotta go. - What street do I live on in Brooklyn, huh? 892 00:50:52,305 --> 00:50:54,569 - D-Did you tell him anything? - N-No, no, I didn't-- 893 00:50:54,674 --> 00:50:57,370 - [Shouting] - l-l gotta go. I gotta go! I've gotta go! 894 00:50:57,477 --> 00:51:00,844 Come on! Let's go! Hey, Chuck, how ya doin'? How ya holdin' up? All right? 895 00:51:00,947 --> 00:51:04,713 Hey, can I get an autograph for my wife? Give me an autograph for my wife! 896 00:51:04,818 --> 00:51:07,685 Come on, Chuck! Don't be a snob! Give me an autograph for my wife! 897 00:51:07,954 --> 00:51:10,320 [Goodwin] So Sandra says what's ever on her mind. 898 00:51:10,424 --> 00:51:12,483 And you've been married how long? 899 00:51:12,592 --> 00:51:14,685 Five years. You? 900 00:51:14,795 --> 00:51:18,287 Oh, no. I'm supposed to be fixed up with this girl... 901 00:51:18,398 --> 00:51:21,231 on the cover of the new Harper's Bazaar, but-- 902 00:51:21,334 --> 00:51:24,428 - Well, you know how that is. - Yeah. 903 00:51:24,538 --> 00:51:28,235 - Waldorf salad for you, Mr. Van Doren. - Oh, thank you. 904 00:51:28,341 --> 00:51:30,400 - And a Reuben sandwich. - Thank you. 905 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,739 - So-- - Oh. 906 00:51:35,849 --> 00:51:38,841 What do you know about this grand jury investigation, Charlie? 907 00:51:38,952 --> 00:51:41,785 Oh, I remember Dan mentioned something about this, 908 00:51:41,888 --> 00:51:44,823 that it was all some-- some wild goose chase. 909 00:51:46,326 --> 00:51:48,317 Uh, a political thing. 910 00:51:48,428 --> 00:51:52,421 - They talk so fast in that business. Half of it goes right past me. - Dan? 911 00:51:52,532 --> 00:51:55,501 Enright. He's really the one to talk to. 912 00:51:55,602 --> 00:51:58,901 - You know if he testified? - Uh, uh, more water? 913 00:52:01,441 --> 00:52:05,070 Uh, you can reach him at NBC. Dan Enright. 914 00:52:09,449 --> 00:52:13,112 So, how long have you been with this committee, Dick? 915 00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:16,712 Six months. Seemed like a good way to postpone the inevitable. 916 00:52:16,823 --> 00:52:21,692 Postpone the inevitable. Is there a spot for me? 917 00:52:21,795 --> 00:52:23,695 I mean Wall Street. 918 00:52:23,797 --> 00:52:26,357 - Oh. - [Chuckles] 919 00:52:28,335 --> 00:52:31,930 So, back to this, uh, grand jury business. 920 00:52:32,038 --> 00:52:33,938 - I'm wondering-- - Oh. 921 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,941 - Dad! - Charlie. 922 00:52:38,044 --> 00:52:40,410 Excuse me, Frank. 923 00:52:40,514 --> 00:52:42,505 This is a surprise. 924 00:52:42,616 --> 00:52:45,517 How are you, son? We share an office, and I never see you anymore. 925 00:52:45,619 --> 00:52:47,951 Oh, I'm there, Dad. I'm just hiding behind your reputation. 926 00:52:48,054 --> 00:52:50,420 [Mr. Van Doren] No, I'm serious. We all miss you at home. 927 00:52:50,524 --> 00:52:53,425 Please, join us. Dad, this is Dick Goodwin. He's up from Washington. 928 00:52:53,527 --> 00:52:55,757 - Narrow escape. - Dad doesn't like Washington. 929 00:52:55,862 --> 00:52:59,161 A swamp that traded malaria for politics. 930 00:53:01,067 --> 00:53:04,400 - What's the special? - It's the Reuben. 931 00:53:04,504 --> 00:53:07,837 Reuben sandwich is the only entirely invented sandwich. 932 00:53:07,941 --> 00:53:10,967 Won the National Sandwich Contest two years ago. 933 00:53:11,077 --> 00:53:13,568 - A salient point. Who invented it? - Uh, Reuben Kay. 934 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,843 - At a poker game in Omaha. - I knew there was a "k" in Nebraska. 935 00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:21,319 Unfortunately, they have the sandwich here, but they don't seem to have any Reubens. 936 00:53:23,957 --> 00:53:27,120 - Touche. - Dick's a protege of Clark Byse. 937 00:53:27,227 --> 00:53:29,627 I just finished a clerkship with Justice Frankfurter. 938 00:53:29,729 --> 00:53:34,189 Of course you did. Frankfurter collects brains the way other people collect stamps. 939 00:53:34,301 --> 00:53:36,633 Uh, did you happen to see the show Monday, Dad? 940 00:53:36,736 --> 00:53:39,500 Monday. Uh, we were with Bunny Wilson. 941 00:53:39,606 --> 00:53:41,870 Oh, no, it's nothing. Just there was a question about Hawthorne. 942 00:53:41,975 --> 00:53:44,876 Oh, well, you know how it is with Bunny once he gets going. 943 00:53:44,978 --> 00:53:49,381 So, Dick, Charlie invite you to his poker game yet? He's a helluva poker player. 944 00:53:49,482 --> 00:53:52,849 W-We have a regular game Thursday nights, just some friends I went to school with. 945 00:53:52,953 --> 00:53:55,717 - You're welcome to come over next week. - Are you a gambler, Dick? 946 00:53:55,822 --> 00:54:00,054 I don't know if I'm a gambler. I know which end of an ace is up. 947 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,756 Well, Dick, if you look round the table and you can't tell who the sucker is, 948 00:54:05,899 --> 00:54:09,062 it's you. 949 00:54:09,169 --> 00:54:11,069 Yeah, Dan Enright, please. 950 00:54:12,839 --> 00:54:14,739 Uh, Dick Goodwin. 951 00:54:19,346 --> 00:54:22,406 Uh, no. Actually, I'll just call back. Thanks. 952 00:54:22,515 --> 00:54:25,712 "Name the three heavyweight champions who preceded Joe Louis." 953 00:54:25,819 --> 00:54:28,788 Oh, I know that. Uh, Jim Braddock. 954 00:54:28,888 --> 00:54:31,755 - Mm-hmm. - Max Baer. 955 00:54:32,859 --> 00:54:34,759 And-- 956 00:54:35,996 --> 00:54:38,055 - Damn. - Primo Carnera. 957 00:54:38,164 --> 00:54:40,826 - Primo Carnera. Of course. - Yeah, good old Primo. 958 00:54:40,934 --> 00:54:43,869 - I was there that night at the Garden, the night Baer beat him. Yeah. - Really? 959 00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:47,098 The big guinea. Twelve times Baer knocked him down. 960 00:54:47,207 --> 00:54:51,337 Al, I've been thinking. Maybe you shouldn't give me the answers anymore. 961 00:54:53,813 --> 00:54:56,714 Now what do you wanna do that for, Professor? 962 00:54:56,816 --> 00:55:00,013 Charlie, you're doin' the right thing, really. 963 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,645 - Everybody's makin' money. - Well, what if you just gave me the questions... 964 00:55:02,756 --> 00:55:04,656 and I could look up the answers on my own? 965 00:55:04,758 --> 00:55:07,921 I mean, don't you think that'd be-- Well, be less egregious. 966 00:55:11,031 --> 00:55:12,931 [Bob Barker] Only in the balcony. 967 00:55:14,334 --> 00:55:16,234 You know about that. 968 00:55:16,336 --> 00:55:19,635 All right. Now, your consequence-- 969 00:55:19,739 --> 00:55:23,573 Doesn't want the answers anymore. Just wants the questions. 970 00:55:23,677 --> 00:55:26,976 - Who? - "Who." The Great White Hope. 971 00:55:28,114 --> 00:55:30,309 [Sighs] 972 00:55:30,417 --> 00:55:32,385 Dan, what the hell is "egregious"? 973 00:55:32,485 --> 00:55:34,885 He just wants the questions? 974 00:55:36,423 --> 00:55:38,789 Uh, excuse me. Uh, Mr. Noland? 975 00:55:38,892 --> 00:55:40,792 - Yeah? - My name is Richard Goodwin. 976 00:55:40,894 --> 00:55:44,421 - I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Over-- - Ahh. 977 00:55:44,531 --> 00:55:47,557 [Man] No, no, I don't wanna say anything. No, can't help you. 978 00:55:47,667 --> 00:55:49,567 [Woman] I told them everything I had to say. 979 00:55:49,669 --> 00:55:51,603 Everything I knew I told them. 980 00:55:59,746 --> 00:56:01,646 [Buzzer] 981 00:56:03,016 --> 00:56:06,110 - Yeah? - Mr. Stempel. My name is Dick Goodwin. 982 00:56:06,219 --> 00:56:10,656 I'm an investigator with the Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight of the U.S. Congress. 983 00:56:10,757 --> 00:56:13,988 - Yeah? - Did you recently testify before a grand jury? 984 00:56:14,094 --> 00:56:18,155 - Yeah. - Well, if you have a minute, I'd really like to talk to you about it. 985 00:56:18,264 --> 00:56:21,461 - [Drums Banging] - Gee. 986 00:56:21,568 --> 00:56:24,833 Fi-- Finally. l-l knew it was just a matter of time. 987 00:56:24,938 --> 00:56:26,838 Come in. 988 00:56:28,608 --> 00:56:30,667 - [Drums Continue] - Didn't you go to City College? 989 00:56:30,777 --> 00:56:32,677 - Uh, Harvard. - Toby! 990 00:56:32,779 --> 00:56:37,113 - [Gasps] - This is my wife, Toby. This is Mr. Goodwin. 991 00:56:37,217 --> 00:56:39,378 He's an investigator from the United States Congress. 992 00:56:39,486 --> 00:56:43,513 Would you like a cup of coffee, Mr.-- l-l already got the pot on. 993 00:56:43,623 --> 00:56:46,183 I tell ya, that sounds great, actually. 994 00:56:46,292 --> 00:56:48,487 And bring some rugulach if there are any left. 995 00:56:48,595 --> 00:56:52,622 - I love my wife, but it's like livin' with a plague of locusts. - [Drums Continue] 996 00:56:52,732 --> 00:56:54,632 If Charles Van Doren told 'em what I told 'em, 997 00:56:54,734 --> 00:56:57,396 do you think this whole grand jury thing would be squashed? 998 00:56:57,504 --> 00:57:00,632 - Quashed. It's not "squashed." - Not in a million years. 999 00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:03,709 - Quashed, okay? - What exactly did you tell the grand jury? 1000 00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:05,801 - Have one. - Uh, no, thanks. 1001 00:57:05,912 --> 00:57:08,244 Lester, will you knock it off for ten minutes? 1002 00:57:08,348 --> 00:57:11,283 Come on. They're a Jewish delicacy. Before Toby eats it. 1003 00:57:11,384 --> 00:57:14,683 - I'm retainin' water for your information. - You and the Grand Coulee Dam. 1004 00:57:14,788 --> 00:57:16,688 Come on. You don't know what you're missing. 1005 00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:18,690 I'm quite familiar with rugulach, thank you. 1006 00:57:21,494 --> 00:57:24,895 - How'd a guy like you get into Harvard? - Capped teeth. 1007 00:57:24,998 --> 00:57:27,296 - Lester! - [Drums Continue] 1008 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,335 Herb, what exactly did you tell the grand jury? 1009 00:57:30,437 --> 00:57:33,600 No, you can't ask me that. It's-- It's sealed. It's illegal. 1010 00:57:35,508 --> 00:57:37,976 Well, uh, just between us. 1011 00:57:39,612 --> 00:57:41,671 They made me take a dive. Marty. 1012 00:57:41,781 --> 00:57:45,080 They made me lose on Marty just to humiliate me. 1013 00:57:45,185 --> 00:57:47,517 - Who made you take a dive? - Dan Enright. 1014 00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:50,111 He told me I had plateaued, that the ratings had plateaued. 1015 00:57:50,223 --> 00:57:52,157 A sinking ship and the rats stayed. 1016 00:57:52,258 --> 00:57:55,159 Do you think in a million years I wouldn't know Marty, and meanwhile, Charles Van Moron... 1017 00:57:55,261 --> 00:57:57,161 would be on the show 11 weeks in a row? 1018 00:57:57,263 --> 00:57:59,823 I don't understand. H-How could they make you take a dive? 1019 00:57:59,933 --> 00:58:03,494 - What? - Why didn't you just answer Marty if you knew it? 1020 00:58:03,603 --> 00:58:07,061 - What, and throw away his future in television? - Would you please go inside... 1021 00:58:07,173 --> 00:58:09,107 and tell Gene Krupa to take five? 1022 00:58:09,209 --> 00:58:11,109 Lester. Lester! 1023 00:58:11,211 --> 00:58:14,578 You're so naive. It's a fix. It's all-- It's all a fix. 1024 00:58:14,681 --> 00:58:17,912 A setup. I made a study of it. They always follow a Jew with a Gentile. 1025 00:58:18,017 --> 00:58:21,384 And the Gentile wins more money. What is that, a coincidence? 1026 00:58:21,488 --> 00:58:23,752 Herb, you're saying this whole grand jury thing was because of you. 1027 00:58:23,857 --> 00:58:27,793 You know what you have to do? You have to nail Van Doren. 1028 00:58:27,894 --> 00:58:30,761 - Are you gonna nail Van Doren? - Look, first of all, I'm not here to nail anyone, okay? 1029 00:58:30,864 --> 00:58:33,924 - This isn't McCarthyism. - Listen, think about what McCarthyism did for McCarthy. 1030 00:58:34,033 --> 00:58:36,593 Let me ask you something. Do you have any corroborative evidence to what you're saying? 1031 00:58:36,703 --> 00:58:41,197 Listen to me. Don't make necessarily the mistakes that I might have made in life. 1032 00:58:41,307 --> 00:58:44,799 Think about your career. You nail Van Doren, it'll be bigger than Sputnik. 1033 00:58:44,911 --> 00:58:48,972 It'll be like a big, blond Sputnik crashing right down on his, whew, friggin' head. 1034 00:58:52,418 --> 00:58:55,615 Charlie? Hi. Dick Goodwin. 1035 00:58:55,688 --> 00:58:59,249 I hope you don't mind. The English Department gave me your number up in Connecticut. 1036 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:03,056 Yeah. Look, um, I met with Herbert Stempel yesterday. 1037 00:59:03,162 --> 00:59:07,292 He told me a couple of things. I'm kinda curious-- 1038 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,664 What? 1039 00:59:09,769 --> 00:59:11,828 Sure. Well, what train was that? 1040 00:59:11,938 --> 00:59:14,930 Yeah, just hold on. I got a pen right here. 1041 00:59:15,041 --> 00:59:17,373 Grand Central Station. 1042 00:59:17,477 --> 00:59:19,468 Housatonic. 1043 00:59:19,579 --> 00:59:21,547 Cornwall, Connecticut. 1044 00:59:21,648 --> 00:59:25,243 I will, uh-- I will, uh-- I'll get right on the way. 1045 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,186 - Dick, I'm glad you could make it. - Charlie. 1046 00:59:37,297 --> 00:59:40,095 That's some snappy-looking Mercedes. 1047 00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:43,259 - Come around the back. We're just about to eat. - What's that, the 300? 1048 00:59:43,369 --> 00:59:46,463 Yeah, it's my father's birthday, so I bought myself a car. 1049 00:59:46,573 --> 00:59:50,669 - It's only got 110 miles on it. - The show's treatin' you well, huh? 1050 00:59:52,445 --> 00:59:54,936 [Mrs. Wilson] Dorothy, your tomato salad is fabulous. 1051 00:59:55,048 --> 00:59:57,744 - What's your secret? - Manure. 1052 00:59:57,850 --> 01:00:02,446 Now, look at Thomas. Thomas is aerodynamically designed to go directly to heaven. 1053 01:00:02,555 --> 01:00:06,286 - And who are you? - Dick. Goodwin. 1054 01:00:06,392 --> 01:00:09,054 - I'm a friend of Charlie's. - Ah. 1055 01:00:09,162 --> 01:00:11,426 - You sound like you're from Boston. - Brookline, actually. 1056 01:00:11,531 --> 01:00:15,194 [Both Laughing] 1057 01:00:15,301 --> 01:00:18,464 The wrong girl for me. 1058 01:00:18,571 --> 01:00:21,665 - You know I didn't. - You did. We have horseradish growing in the garden. 1059 01:00:21,774 --> 01:00:24,572 Well, that's good. [Laughs] 1060 01:00:24,677 --> 01:00:27,237 - How long have you been married? - Twenty years. 1061 01:00:27,347 --> 01:00:31,807 - Aunt Irita had an affair with Wendall Willkie. - Hmm? 1062 01:00:31,918 --> 01:00:37,379 "Now see summer bloom upon this lea. Three score rings around this tree. 1063 01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:39,651 Once green; now bare. 1064 01:00:39,759 --> 01:00:41,693 Once lush; now sere. 1065 01:00:41,794 --> 01:00:44,319 Consoled only that I am... 1066 01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:47,160 - planted here. - You certainly are. 1067 01:00:47,266 --> 01:00:49,325 - Roots thick... - And old. 1068 01:00:49,435 --> 01:00:51,335 - and deep, - And doddering. 1069 01:00:51,437 --> 01:00:55,168 - assuage my woes--" - A termite nibbles at my toes. 1070 01:00:55,274 --> 01:00:58,175 - Et tu, Bunny? - Charlie, is Jack Berry single? 1071 01:00:58,277 --> 01:01:01,906 - I think so. - My roommate has a crush on him. She wants you to introduce her. 1072 01:01:02,015 --> 01:01:04,745 - What's Dave Garroway like? - Cheap. - Cheap? 1073 01:01:04,851 --> 01:01:08,981 - Wasn't I talking? - You were, yes. Talking and talking and talking. 1074 01:01:09,088 --> 01:01:11,921 Charlie's famous, like Elvis Presley. 1075 01:01:12,025 --> 01:01:15,620 Like Leopold of Belgium, usurped by his son before his time. 1076 01:01:15,728 --> 01:01:17,821 I suppose that makes me King Baudouin? 1077 01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:20,490 Next birthday, you all get a dirty limerick. 1078 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,966 - I certainly hope so. - [Laughing] 1079 01:01:24,570 --> 01:01:27,698 [Woman] So how's it feel, Charlie? 1080 01:01:27,807 --> 01:01:30,605 [Charlie] Well, I can't even eat dinner in a restaurant anymore. 1081 01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:35,044 People follow me inside to discover what kind of "brain food" I eat. 1082 01:01:35,148 --> 01:01:39,278 In my day, it was flagpole-sitting and swallowing goldfish. 1083 01:01:39,385 --> 01:01:41,945 Last week alone, I had 11 proposals of marriage. 1084 01:01:42,055 --> 01:01:43,613 Perhaps you should accept one of them. 1085 01:01:43,723 --> 01:01:46,988 To think they unleash you on those impressionable young minds. 1086 01:01:47,093 --> 01:01:51,223 Why not? He's 33 years old. Jesus Christ had a girlfriend at 33 years old. 1087 01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:53,924 - Look how that turned out. - And he shared an office with his father. 1088 01:01:54,033 --> 01:01:55,933 I'm sure they're all very nice girls. 1089 01:01:56,035 --> 01:01:58,003 In that case, perhaps I should appear on a quiz show. 1090 01:01:58,104 --> 01:02:01,767 The money, meanwhile, no one knows what to do with it. 1091 01:02:01,874 --> 01:02:04,900 Though every stockbroker in New York seems eager to try. 1092 01:02:05,011 --> 01:02:09,311 Why don't you just put it in the bank? That's what I've always done with my prize money. 1093 01:02:09,415 --> 01:02:13,647 No, it's just-- You don't understand, Dad. There are all sorts of tax implications. 1094 01:02:13,753 --> 01:02:16,153 I think I can understand the concept of taxes. 1095 01:02:16,255 --> 01:02:20,351 - At this level, it's a bit more complicated. - And at my level? 1096 01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:24,226 I never thought of myself having a level, Charlie. What level might that be? 1097 01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:27,993 I mean, it's not as if the money fell into my lap. I worked for it. 1098 01:02:28,101 --> 01:02:32,663 - Work? Oh-ho-ho-ho. - Millions of people watch the game shows, Dad. 1099 01:02:32,772 --> 01:02:35,468 Then I suppose we've become a nation of proctors. 1100 01:02:35,575 --> 01:02:37,770 - [Dorothy] Mark. - Help me out here, Harvard. 1101 01:02:37,877 --> 01:02:41,779 Uh... claim victory and depart the field. 1102 01:02:41,881 --> 01:02:45,681 - We don't have a television. - [Mark] Why on earth would we need a television? 1103 01:02:45,785 --> 01:02:47,844 [Rita] How much money is it again? 1104 01:02:47,954 --> 01:02:50,445 - What? - They don't have a television. 1105 01:02:50,556 --> 01:02:53,889 - You haven't seen the show? - We were supposed to watch it the other night at Thurber's-- 1106 01:02:53,993 --> 01:02:58,862 - Even Thurber has a television, and he's blind. - How much is it now, Charlie? 1107 01:02:58,965 --> 01:03:02,366 - $122,000. - What? 1108 01:03:02,468 --> 01:03:05,631 - [People Gasping] - She heard that all right. 1109 01:03:09,342 --> 01:03:12,778 Well. 1110 01:03:12,879 --> 01:03:16,872 "Some rise by sin and some by virtue fall." 1111 01:03:16,983 --> 01:03:19,247 Measure For Measure. 1112 01:03:19,352 --> 01:03:23,652 "To do a great right... do a little wrong." 1113 01:03:23,756 --> 01:03:27,157 - Merchant Of Venice. - It's this game our family plays. 1114 01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:31,390 "O what men dare do! What men may do! 1115 01:03:31,497 --> 01:03:35,092 What men daily do, not knowing what they do." 1116 01:03:35,201 --> 01:03:39,831 Much Ado About Nothing. "Things without remedy should be without regard; 1117 01:03:39,939 --> 01:03:42,169 what's done is done." 1118 01:03:42,275 --> 01:03:45,938 "Things without all remedy." Macbeth. 1119 01:03:46,045 --> 01:03:50,539 [Dorothy] "How the ill white hairs become a fool and jester." 1120 01:03:50,650 --> 01:03:54,017 - Now, Professor, open your presents. - [People Laughing] 1121 01:03:56,355 --> 01:03:59,722 - Well, what have we here? - [John] After-shave. 1122 01:03:59,826 --> 01:04:02,021 - Awww. - [People Laugh] 1123 01:04:05,531 --> 01:04:07,999 Uh-huh. 1124 01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:12,735 - [People Clapping] - Oh, now! 1125 01:04:12,839 --> 01:04:17,071 - Oh, my God! How swell! - [Chuckles] 1126 01:04:17,176 --> 01:04:21,613 I guess I'm surrounded. Thank you, Charlie. 1127 01:04:21,714 --> 01:04:24,114 l-l thought you might like it, Dad. 1128 01:04:29,088 --> 01:04:31,648 So do you remember Herbert Stempel? 1129 01:04:31,757 --> 01:04:34,317 Remember him? I still can't believe I beat him. 1130 01:04:34,427 --> 01:04:39,421 Stempel tells me that Dan Enright made him take a dive from the show. 1131 01:04:39,532 --> 01:04:41,796 What? 1132 01:04:41,901 --> 01:04:45,428 He tells me that Dan Enright made him take a dive. 1133 01:04:47,073 --> 01:04:49,906 - [Chuckles] That's ridiculous. - Yeah? 1134 01:04:50,009 --> 01:04:53,706 A little odd, though, don't ya think? I mean, losing on such an easy question? 1135 01:04:53,813 --> 01:04:56,714 You know, frankly, Dick, if Stempel can just run around... 1136 01:04:56,816 --> 01:05:00,274 and smear a man like Dan Enright to the United States Congress-- 1137 01:05:00,386 --> 01:05:03,719 No, nobody's smearing anybody. I'm just trying to figure out the truth here. 1138 01:05:03,823 --> 01:05:07,418 Could you just untie the bowline there and shove us off? 1139 01:05:11,130 --> 01:05:13,030 All right. 1140 01:05:15,701 --> 01:05:18,602 Dick, could you raise the jib for us, please? 1141 01:05:18,704 --> 01:05:21,537 The jib. Just, uh-- Yeah. 1142 01:05:27,446 --> 01:05:31,712 Do you remember what it was like for guys like us when we were in school? 1143 01:05:31,817 --> 01:05:34,809 Being smart was like being cross-eyed. 1144 01:05:34,921 --> 01:05:37,185 But you should see the letters I get. 1145 01:05:37,290 --> 01:05:39,815 Kids are excited about-- about books... 1146 01:05:39,926 --> 01:05:43,259 and learning and general knowledge. 1147 01:05:43,362 --> 01:05:45,830 Dan Enright had a lot to do with that. 1148 01:05:45,932 --> 01:05:48,560 Yeah, but don't you think he wanted you to win? 1149 01:05:48,668 --> 01:05:51,034 I mean, if you look at the ratings, they're staggering. 1150 01:05:51,137 --> 01:05:55,369 [Chuckles] Well, what did he say, they "made" him take a dive? 1151 01:05:55,474 --> 01:05:58,170 - Well. - Well, how did they "make" him take a dive anyway? 1152 01:05:58,277 --> 01:06:01,075 He didn't want to jeopardize any future he might have in television. 1153 01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:04,877 - [Chuckles] - Yeah, well-- [Chuckles] 1154 01:06:04,984 --> 01:06:08,886 Anyway, how many people did you say testified in front of the grand jury? 1155 01:06:08,988 --> 01:06:10,956 Why? What's your point? 1156 01:06:11,057 --> 01:06:15,016 Well, if what you're saying is true, then everybody lied. 1157 01:06:26,739 --> 01:06:28,730 - [Freedman] Hi. Al Freedman. - Hi. I'm Danny. 1158 01:06:28,808 --> 01:06:32,403 Good to see you. I'm sorry for the delay. Come on in. Have a seat. 1159 01:06:32,511 --> 01:06:35,036 - Would you like a cup of coffee or a soft drink? - Anything? 1160 01:06:35,147 --> 01:06:36,614 - I'm fine. Thanks. - You sure? 1161 01:06:36,716 --> 01:06:38,616 - We're very well stocked up here. - Nothing? - I'm fine. 1162 01:06:38,718 --> 01:06:41,448 - No trouble. - I understand you've spoken to Charles Van Doren. 1163 01:06:41,554 --> 01:06:44,318 - And Herbert Stempel. - Oh, I was afraid of that. 1164 01:06:44,423 --> 01:06:47,221 He says and I quote, that he was made to "take a dive." 1165 01:06:47,326 --> 01:06:51,319 Believe me, I'm quite familiar with Herb's allegations. I could recite them by rote. 1166 01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:54,092 Forty-six witnesses swore up and down Herbie's a lying tub of shit. 1167 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,599 - Al. - Sorry. 1168 01:06:55,701 --> 01:06:59,000 - Why the big secret? - Well, to protect people's reputations. 1169 01:06:59,105 --> 01:07:03,940 I mean, frankly, you never know what the public is gonna believe, you see? 1170 01:07:04,043 --> 01:07:06,136 There's that and, um-- 1171 01:07:08,514 --> 01:07:10,414 And what? 1172 01:07:10,516 --> 01:07:14,418 - Look, Dick, I wa-- Can I call you Dick? - Sure, Dan. 1173 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,853 After the loss, Herb came to visit me in an agitated-- 1174 01:07:17,956 --> 01:07:22,791 - Well, I suppose the clinical term would be, uh... what? - The guy's nuts. 1175 01:07:22,895 --> 01:07:25,796 - Manic. He was in a manic frame of mind. - Manic. 1176 01:07:25,898 --> 01:07:29,061 And I took the precaution of tape recording that meeting. 1177 01:07:29,168 --> 01:07:31,466 Al, would you... play the tape? 1178 01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:33,800 Listen to this. 1179 01:07:33,906 --> 01:07:36,739 [Stempel] You get me that panel show... 1180 01:07:36,842 --> 01:07:39,572 or I'm gonna bring you down, you lousy lyin' prick! 1181 01:07:39,678 --> 01:07:41,839 You and Charles Van fuckin' Doren! 1182 01:07:41,947 --> 01:07:44,438 [Enright On Tape] What is this, Herb? Are you blackmailin' me? 1183 01:07:44,550 --> 01:07:48,281 I need that money, Dan. I need to get back on television. You get me that panel show... 1184 01:07:48,387 --> 01:07:50,947 - or I'll tell everyone it's a fraud. - You know that's not true. 1185 01:07:51,056 --> 01:07:53,786 Who cares if it's true? "The fix is in this week on Twenty-One." 1186 01:07:53,892 --> 01:07:56,952 Okay. 1187 01:07:58,731 --> 01:08:01,928 So he needed more money after all that money he won. 1188 01:08:02,034 --> 01:08:04,502 Gambling. And that's the least of it. 1189 01:08:04,603 --> 01:08:08,437 I mean, if the judge was protecting anyone, he was protecting Herb. 1190 01:08:08,540 --> 01:08:11,065 Given-- Well-- 1191 01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:18,275 - His medical condition. - [Scoffs] His medical condition? 1192 01:08:18,384 --> 01:08:22,115 - Oh, yeah. - Al, get the bills. 1193 01:08:22,221 --> 01:08:24,951 I mean, put yourself in his shoes. 1194 01:08:25,057 --> 01:08:27,321 He's no longer in the public eye. 1195 01:08:27,426 --> 01:08:31,453 He's remembered, if he's remembered at all, as "the guy that lost to Van Doren." 1196 01:08:31,563 --> 01:08:33,463 Television is like a monkey on his back, 1197 01:08:33,565 --> 01:08:36,432 and we're not talking about someone who is necessarily stable to begin with. 1198 01:08:36,535 --> 01:08:39,936 - No. - So you paid for his psychoanalysis? 1199 01:08:40,038 --> 01:08:41,972 - I felt responsible. - You're too nice. 1200 01:08:42,074 --> 01:08:44,804 - No, I'm not. - If it were up to me, I would've sent him to the skating rink the fast way. 1201 01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:48,209 - Five sessions a week? - Five, and not a dent. 1202 01:08:48,313 --> 01:08:53,273 Herb is so angry with himself for losing, and it was on such a simple question too. 1203 01:08:53,385 --> 01:08:56,320 - Marty. - Marty. His ego couldn't handle it. 1204 01:08:56,422 --> 01:08:59,619 He blames Charles Van Doren for his downfall. 1205 01:08:59,725 --> 01:09:03,786 And of course, the real downfall of Herbert Stempel has always been Herbert Stempel. 1206 01:09:03,896 --> 01:09:06,831 Herbert Stempel. Absolutely. You met him. Does he seem stable to you? 1207 01:09:06,932 --> 01:09:10,424 Well, I definitely have an inkling of what you're talking about. 1208 01:09:10,536 --> 01:09:13,994 He told me this whole story about how when a Jew is on the show, 1209 01:09:14,106 --> 01:09:17,542 he always loses to a Gentile, and then the Gentile wins more money. 1210 01:09:17,643 --> 01:09:21,670 Right? [Chuckles] Who could dream up a scheme like that? 1211 01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:23,907 A symptom of his Van Doren fixation. 1212 01:09:24,016 --> 01:09:26,746 The thing of it is, I looked it up. It's true. 1213 01:09:30,055 --> 01:09:32,319 We could check it. 1214 01:09:32,658 --> 01:09:34,626 [Toby] Herbie, I wanna go home. 1215 01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:37,322 I took you to dinner, didn't I? Just hold your horses. 1216 01:09:37,429 --> 01:09:40,921 This is ridiculous. Wha-- 1217 01:09:46,472 --> 01:09:51,136 Where have you been? Why don't you return my phone calls? Did you talk to Van Doren? 1218 01:09:51,243 --> 01:09:54,371 - I'll tell you who I spoke to. I spoke to Dan Enright. - Forget Enright. 1219 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:58,849 Goodwin, 1535. You threatened to blackmail him if he didn't get you on a panel show? 1220 01:09:58,951 --> 01:10:02,318 What? When? I didn't blackmail him. What are you talking about? 1221 01:10:02,421 --> 01:10:06,858 - He's got the whole thing on tape. - He promised me that panel show. 1222 01:10:06,959 --> 01:10:09,086 What tape? What are you talking about? 1223 01:10:09,194 --> 01:10:11,389 Listen, Goodwin, don't think I don't see what you're doin'. 1224 01:10:11,497 --> 01:10:14,125 You're building this great case against me. A pile of evidence, 1225 01:10:14,233 --> 01:10:16,258 an army of witnesses against me, Herb Stempel. 1226 01:10:16,368 --> 01:10:20,168 And meanwhile, you and Van Doren are off giving each other the secret Ivy League handshake. 1227 01:10:20,272 --> 01:10:22,172 Herb, you're makin' me look like a jerk. 1228 01:10:22,274 --> 01:10:24,174 I know what they're doin' to you. They did it to me. 1229 01:10:24,276 --> 01:10:26,437 Just because you went to Harvard, you think you have some stake in the system? 1230 01:10:26,545 --> 01:10:29,013 - He didn't pay for your psychiatrist bills? - The point is... 1231 01:10:29,114 --> 01:10:31,014 Van Doren got the answers. 1232 01:10:31,116 --> 01:10:34,483 He did not get the answers. If anything, he gave them answers. 1233 01:10:34,586 --> 01:10:37,953 - I know he got the answers. - Ah, bullshit, Herb. How do you know he got the answers? 1234 01:10:38,056 --> 01:10:40,854 Because I got the answers. 1235 01:10:47,232 --> 01:10:51,328 You got the answers? What do you mean, you got the answers? 1236 01:10:51,436 --> 01:10:55,964 Not very many answers. I just wanted to get out from under the financial thumb of my in-laws. 1237 01:10:56,074 --> 01:10:58,838 I don't understand. I thought you were a victim in all this. 1238 01:10:58,944 --> 01:11:02,243 I didn't hold myself up to be the crowned prince of education. 1239 01:11:02,347 --> 01:11:06,579 I didn't preen myself on the cover of Time magazine with a face full of phony humility-- 1240 01:11:06,685 --> 01:11:09,620 Good night, Herb. 1241 01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:13,657 [Elevator Doors Close] 1242 01:11:15,561 --> 01:11:17,620 Toby. 1243 01:11:19,565 --> 01:11:22,398 Toby, where do you think you're going without me? 1244 01:11:22,501 --> 01:11:24,401 You never told me you got the answers. 1245 01:11:24,503 --> 01:11:28,667 I knew the answers to a good part of the questions anyhow. The ones I didn't, they fed me. 1246 01:11:28,774 --> 01:11:31,208 - I'm sure I must've mentioned it. - It's not a thing you mentioned. 1247 01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:33,210 What else did you do that you didn't mention? 1248 01:11:33,312 --> 01:11:36,873 Enright sat right in our kitchen and said, "How'd you like to make $25,000?" 1249 01:11:36,982 --> 01:11:39,382 I don't know any man in America who would turn that down. 1250 01:11:39,484 --> 01:11:42,385 - It's dishonest. - Let me tell you about honest. 1251 01:11:42,487 --> 01:11:45,923 You know what my father used to tell me? "Work hard and you'll get ahead." 1252 01:11:46,024 --> 01:11:48,185 Was that honest? Look at Geritol. 1253 01:11:48,293 --> 01:11:52,627 "Geritol cures tired blood." And I'm the one who's supposed to be ashamed. 1254 01:11:52,731 --> 01:11:54,824 You never said that you were getting the answers. 1255 01:11:54,933 --> 01:11:56,833 Let them believe whatever they want. What do I care? 1256 01:11:56,935 --> 01:12:01,736 - What do I care if a bunch of saps-- - I was one of those saps, Herbert. 1257 01:12:12,184 --> 01:12:17,816 He got the answers. Now why would he admit that? He's only implicating himself. 1258 01:12:17,923 --> 01:12:22,417 - Well, maybe it's the truth. - Yeah, well I have a hunch it is the truth. 1259 01:12:22,527 --> 01:12:25,519 Though meanwhile, we'll have to have him testify in a straitjacket. 1260 01:12:25,631 --> 01:12:28,725 But Van Doren isn't crazy. Maybe you should put him on the stand. 1261 01:12:28,834 --> 01:12:31,860 - What's Van Doren got to do with this? - They gave Stempel the answers. 1262 01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:33,494 Why would Van Doren be any different? 1263 01:12:33,605 --> 01:12:36,096 You have no idea what these people are like. 1264 01:12:36,208 --> 01:12:40,269 - It's all Thurber and Trilling and Bunny Wilson. - Bunny? 1265 01:12:40,379 --> 01:12:42,711 Yeah, Edmund Wilson. That's what they call him. 1266 01:12:42,814 --> 01:12:44,509 Well, that doesn't mean you have to. 1267 01:12:44,616 --> 01:12:47,949 Look, my point is, why would a guy like that jeopardize everything he has? 1268 01:12:48,053 --> 01:12:51,750 - Which is what? - Sandra, the man is on the cover of Time magazine. 1269 01:12:51,857 --> 01:12:55,122 He's not gonna be on the cover of Time as Mark Van Doren's son, Dick. 1270 01:12:55,227 --> 01:12:58,424 [Barry On TV] Boxing. How many points would you like to risk? 1271 01:12:58,530 --> 01:13:00,862 I'll risk eight points, Jack. 1272 01:13:00,966 --> 01:13:04,663 All right. For eight points, name the three heavyweight champions... 1273 01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:07,967 immediately preceding Joe Louis. 1274 01:13:10,942 --> 01:13:13,740 - Well, my father would know that. - [Barry Chuckles] 1275 01:13:13,845 --> 01:13:17,406 - That'd be James J. Braddock. - Correct. 1276 01:13:17,516 --> 01:13:20,076 Max Baer lost the belt to Braddock. 1277 01:13:20,185 --> 01:13:22,551 Yes. And the fellow Baer beat? 1278 01:13:22,654 --> 01:13:26,283 [Charles] Oh, now, I remember he knocked him down 12 times before he finally succumbed. 1279 01:13:26,391 --> 01:13:29,224 - Would you like to guess? - Primo Carnera. 1280 01:13:29,327 --> 01:13:31,386 [Barry] Correct! You have 21! 1281 01:13:31,496 --> 01:13:33,794 [TV Audience Applauding] 1282 01:13:33,965 --> 01:13:36,024 [Jack] Second base is Eddie Stanky. 1283 01:13:36,134 --> 01:13:38,034 [Fred] No, it's Red Schoendienst. 1284 01:13:38,136 --> 01:13:40,730 [Goodwin] I hear that Pat Boone plays on the White Shoes. 1285 01:13:40,839 --> 01:13:43,000 - No, that's Daniel Boone. - [Charles] Ace-King bets. 1286 01:13:43,108 --> 01:13:45,474 - Check. - Check. - Bet five. 1287 01:13:45,577 --> 01:13:48,808 - I'll raise that a dollar. - I'm out. 1288 01:13:48,914 --> 01:13:50,677 You better watch out, Fred. 1289 01:13:50,782 --> 01:13:53,216 Dick's one of the brightest young lawyers down in Washington. 1290 01:13:53,318 --> 01:13:56,913 [Fred] Great. All my money already goes to Washington. Taxes. 1291 01:13:57,022 --> 01:13:59,490 - It's nothin' but organized theft. - [Goodwin] No, property. 1292 01:13:59,591 --> 01:14:02,253 - What? - "Property is theft," I believe. 1293 01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,158 That's the locus classicus from Proudhon. 1294 01:14:05,263 --> 01:14:06,992 - [Groans] - I warned you. 1295 01:14:07,099 --> 01:14:10,694 - Oh, great, another one. - [Jack] Ace bets five. 1296 01:14:12,404 --> 01:14:15,271 - And another one. - I'll see that. 1297 01:14:15,373 --> 01:14:18,604 - What are you working on, Charlie? - I raise five dollars. 1298 01:14:18,710 --> 01:14:22,305 - I'd love to know what you got under there, Charlie. - The truth has its price. 1299 01:14:22,414 --> 01:14:26,373 Everything has its price. 1300 01:14:26,485 --> 01:14:32,219 - So where'd ya prep, Dick? - Dick's up here on a witch hunt. He thinks Twenty-One is rigged. 1301 01:14:32,324 --> 01:14:34,986 Is it? 1302 01:14:35,093 --> 01:14:37,425 [Men Chuckling] 1303 01:14:37,529 --> 01:14:41,522 Hey, uh... which face cards are in profile, without looking? 1304 01:14:41,633 --> 01:14:43,726 Jack of spades, king of diamonds, jack of hearts. 1305 01:14:43,835 --> 01:14:46,998 Can we play cards? It's bad enough my wife makes me watch this crap. 1306 01:14:47,105 --> 01:14:50,006 Okay, you're writing a book on Lincoln. The night he was shot, who was the doctor... 1307 01:14:50,108 --> 01:14:51,473 at his deathbed? 1308 01:14:51,576 --> 01:14:54,238 Joseph K. Barnes was the doctor. 1309 01:14:54,346 --> 01:14:57,543 - Whoa. - Who was the detective on the case? 1310 01:14:57,649 --> 01:15:00,482 [Charles] The detective was Clarvoe. John Alexander Clarvoe. 1311 01:15:00,585 --> 01:15:02,246 - Who embalmed him? - Come on. 1312 01:15:02,354 --> 01:15:04,083 Black or brown, Charles D. Brown. 1313 01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:06,817 Then he was murdered with estate taxes. Let's play. 1314 01:15:06,925 --> 01:15:09,450 - You're not impressed? - Ace checks. 1315 01:15:09,561 --> 01:15:11,426 Check. 1316 01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:13,430 Um-- 1317 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,361 - [Jack] Whoa. - Now I'm impressed. 1318 01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:21,166 Go ahead, Dick, call 'em. 1319 01:15:21,273 --> 01:15:24,333 - [Fred Chuckling] - What do you say, Dick? 1320 01:15:24,442 --> 01:15:27,343 I know you're lying. 1321 01:15:27,445 --> 01:15:30,437 - [Jack] Whoa-oh. - [Chuckles] 1322 01:15:30,549 --> 01:15:34,417 Bluffing. The word is bluffing. 1323 01:15:34,519 --> 01:15:36,612 [Chuckles] 1324 01:15:39,624 --> 01:15:41,558 Too rich for my blood. 1325 01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:44,686 - [Jack] Try Geritol. - Sandwich time. 1326 01:15:45,764 --> 01:15:48,198 - [Groaning] - How 'bout a drink? 1327 01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:51,531 This game could use a little juice, huh? 1328 01:15:51,636 --> 01:15:54,605 [Men Chattering] 1329 01:15:54,706 --> 01:15:56,799 [Enright] Charlie? Charlie? 1330 01:15:56,908 --> 01:15:59,843 The only people who can implicate you directly are all in this room. 1331 01:15:59,945 --> 01:16:01,537 Just think about that. 1332 01:16:01,646 --> 01:16:03,705 - You think that nudzh is gonna get me to talk? - He may be a nudzh, 1333 01:16:03,815 --> 01:16:06,716 but he was also first in his class at Harvard Law School. 1334 01:16:06,818 --> 01:16:08,945 - Oh, Harvard? - Will you please stop that? 1335 01:16:09,054 --> 01:16:12,922 - Al, stop it. - Sorry. Charlie, they could kill me, I wouldn't talk. 1336 01:16:13,024 --> 01:16:15,652 They could subject me to any kind of torture, um-- 1337 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,990 - The rack? - Thank you. They could put me on the rack-- 1338 01:16:18,096 --> 01:16:19,757 - The iron maiden? - Whatever. 1339 01:16:19,865 --> 01:16:23,062 - The bastinado? - Charlie, I'm not tellin' 'em a godamned thing. 1340 01:16:23,168 --> 01:16:25,261 - Correct me, Dan, if I'm wrong. - No, you're right. 1341 01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:28,828 Plus, what did you do wrong? Everybody knows the magician don't saw the lady in half. 1342 01:16:28,940 --> 01:16:31,841 - It's not exactly the same thing. - It's entertainment. 1343 01:16:31,943 --> 01:16:34,070 I am a college professor! 1344 01:16:34,179 --> 01:16:36,443 - [Groans] - [Knocking] 1345 01:16:36,548 --> 01:16:39,073 They need the professor in make-up. 1346 01:17:35,340 --> 01:17:39,436 Oh-ho, well. [Chuckles] 1347 01:17:39,544 --> 01:17:42,104 - Aren't you Charles Van Doren? - [Chuckles] 1348 01:17:42,213 --> 01:17:46,047 I'm sorry, Dad. I didn't mean to wake you. I just had to get out of the city. 1349 01:17:46,151 --> 01:17:49,382 You're always welcome, Charlie. 1350 01:17:49,487 --> 01:17:52,718 Sometimes it's hard sleeping in the city. 1351 01:17:52,824 --> 01:17:57,693 - I hope you don't mind. I took the rest of the cake. - You look like you could use it. 1352 01:17:57,796 --> 01:18:02,256 - Under a little strain lately. - That's the way it always is when you're finishing a book. 1353 01:18:02,367 --> 01:18:05,200 Oh, no, actually, it's the... television show. 1354 01:18:05,303 --> 01:18:09,637 Ow, Jesus, I just realized, we watched your show. 1355 01:18:09,741 --> 01:18:13,199 Did I tell you? Mother and I moved the television to the den. 1356 01:18:13,311 --> 01:18:16,803 - No, no, you didn't mention it. - Anyway, what was it? 1357 01:18:16,915 --> 01:18:19,577 Something about the Galapagos Islands? 1358 01:18:19,684 --> 01:18:22,244 You know what? I'll try some of that. 1359 01:18:22,354 --> 01:18:25,255 The origin and the destination of the voyage of the Beagle. 1360 01:18:25,357 --> 01:18:28,815 That's right. Biology for six points. 1361 01:18:28,927 --> 01:18:31,589 Good God, the pressure! 1362 01:18:31,696 --> 01:18:35,655 All those lights, the money, those strange little booths, 1363 01:18:35,767 --> 01:18:40,397 that man talking so fast, like being in a bull ring. 1364 01:18:40,505 --> 01:18:42,769 I don't think I could remember my name. 1365 01:18:42,874 --> 01:18:45,308 You know, I always had a good head for that kind of stuff. 1366 01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:49,938 It's just amazing that you could make it look so easy. 1367 01:18:50,048 --> 01:18:53,575 But your mother always said you were the actor in the family, Charlie. 1368 01:18:53,685 --> 01:18:55,983 [Chuckles] Yeah. 1369 01:18:56,087 --> 01:19:00,717 As long as it doesn't interfere with your teaching, why not? 1370 01:19:03,561 --> 01:19:05,461 Dad. 1371 01:19:06,831 --> 01:19:10,062 Huh? What? 1372 01:19:15,707 --> 01:19:17,834 Something on your mind? 1373 01:19:26,785 --> 01:19:30,812 You never told me you felt pressure... 1374 01:19:30,922 --> 01:19:34,414 you know, um... like finishing a book. 1375 01:19:34,526 --> 01:19:37,518 Oh-ho, are you kidding? 1376 01:19:37,629 --> 01:19:41,030 When I was finishing the Hawthorne book, I tossed and turned so badly... 1377 01:19:41,132 --> 01:19:43,930 your mother threatened to check into a hotel. 1378 01:19:44,035 --> 01:19:46,503 Oh, sure. [Chuckles] 1379 01:19:46,604 --> 01:19:50,973 You know, I think the old bird's finally getting the hang of this. 1380 01:19:52,977 --> 01:19:55,878 You know, I just had the strongest memory. 1381 01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:59,313 Coming home from school, going to the fridge. 1382 01:19:59,417 --> 01:20:03,979 Ice-cold bottle of milk, big piece of chocolate cake. 1383 01:20:04,089 --> 01:20:07,183 It was just the simplicity of it. 1384 01:20:07,292 --> 01:20:10,557 l-l can't think of anything that will make me feel that happy again. 1385 01:20:14,065 --> 01:20:16,329 Not 'til you have a son. 1386 01:20:29,747 --> 01:20:32,477 [Barry Over Kinescope] That would be our most difficult question on American Literature. 1387 01:20:32,584 --> 01:20:36,486 For 11 points, I'll read you lines from America's greatest poets. 1388 01:20:36,588 --> 01:20:38,920 You must identify the author. First: 1389 01:20:39,023 --> 01:20:42,982 "I hear America singing the very carols I hear." 1390 01:20:43,094 --> 01:20:45,494 That would be... Walt Whitman. 1391 01:20:45,597 --> 01:20:47,622 That's right. Second: 1392 01:20:47,732 --> 01:20:52,169 "I shot an arrow in the air. It fell to earth I know not where." 1393 01:20:52,270 --> 01:20:56,172 - [Contestant] Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. - Right again, Jim! 1394 01:20:56,274 --> 01:21:00,404 Finally: "Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul." 1395 01:21:00,512 --> 01:21:04,573 [Jim] That is, uh... actually by one of my favorite poets, 1396 01:21:04,682 --> 01:21:07,082 Emily Dickinson. 1397 01:21:07,185 --> 01:21:11,713 I'm sorry, Jim. Did-- Did you say Emily Dickinson? 1398 01:21:11,823 --> 01:21:15,691 Oh! Well, yes! All right! 1399 01:21:15,793 --> 01:21:20,093 [Kinescope Stops, Rewinds] 1400 01:21:21,933 --> 01:21:24,959 - ...Dickinson. - I'm sorry, Jim. 1401 01:21:25,069 --> 01:21:29,233 Did-- Did you say Emily Dickinson? Oh! Well, yes! 1402 01:21:38,183 --> 01:21:40,651 ...favorite poets, Emily Dickinson. 1403 01:21:40,752 --> 01:21:45,280 I'm sorry, Jim. Did-- Did you say Emily Dickinson? 1404 01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:48,723 - Oh! Well, yes! - [Kinescope Stops] 1405 01:21:52,897 --> 01:21:55,229 - Who is it? - Mr. Snodgrass? 1406 01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:58,666 - Yeah? - My name is Richard Goodwin. 1407 01:21:58,770 --> 01:22:03,230 - Yeah? - Hi. I'm a Federal Investigator on a congressional subcommittee. 1408 01:22:03,341 --> 01:22:06,139 - The committee's been investigating the quiz shows. - [Chuckles] 1409 01:22:06,244 --> 01:22:10,613 I was just looking at a kinescope of your appearance on Twenty-One, and I noticed-- 1410 01:22:10,715 --> 01:22:13,149 - Mr. Snodgrass? - [Snickering] 1411 01:22:21,926 --> 01:22:25,487 - This is good. - Yeah? What is it? 1412 01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,631 [People Chattering] 1413 01:22:39,711 --> 01:22:42,145 - Drive on by. - What? 1414 01:22:42,247 --> 01:22:44,442 - Go around to the back entrance. - Okay. 1415 01:22:48,286 --> 01:22:50,846 - [Phone Ringing] - [Woman] Mr. Kintner's office. 1416 01:22:52,957 --> 01:22:55,983 Excuse me. Do you think he might see me before the peacock molts? 1417 01:22:56,094 --> 01:23:00,030 - Who are you with again? - I'm with the U.S. Congress. Perhaps you've heard of them. 1418 01:23:00,131 --> 01:23:03,897 Oh, your name is Gold-- Excuse me, not you. Your name is Goldwyn? 1419 01:23:04,002 --> 01:23:07,199 - Goodwin. - Ah, yes. Please have a seat, Mr. Goldwyn-- Goodwin. 1420 01:23:07,305 --> 01:23:09,205 - I'll see if he's available. - Right. 1421 01:23:09,307 --> 01:23:13,038 - Yes, that's red, long stem. Thank you. - [Sighs] 1422 01:23:13,144 --> 01:23:15,840 Well, I'm sure he'd be available if my name were Geritol. 1423 01:23:15,947 --> 01:23:19,644 - Perhaps if you could come back another time. - [Door Opens] 1424 01:23:19,751 --> 01:23:22,151 - Good night, Rose. - Good night, Mr. Kintner. 1425 01:23:22,253 --> 01:23:25,086 - Mr. Kintner. My name is Richard Goodwin. - Oh? 1426 01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:29,353 - I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. - Congratulations. 1427 01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:32,190 - How's Chairman Harris? - Oh, he's fine. 1428 01:23:32,297 --> 01:23:34,697 Still in that sand trap where I left him? 1429 01:23:34,799 --> 01:23:37,996 I am here to give you a chance to cooperate. 1430 01:23:38,102 --> 01:23:41,003 We'll cooperate in any way we can. Now will you excuse me? 1431 01:23:41,105 --> 01:23:44,199 Twenty-One is rigged, and I can prove it. Who won, how long they were on, 1432 01:23:44,309 --> 01:23:48,006 it was all a scheme to keep the ratings up, and NBC made millions off it. 1433 01:23:48,112 --> 01:23:52,606 Young man, I am the President of the National Broadcasting Company. 1434 01:23:52,717 --> 01:23:57,086 I have no idea what the day-to-day operations of Twenty-One are. 1435 01:23:57,188 --> 01:24:00,521 Does Chairman Harris know every little thing you're up to? 1436 01:24:00,625 --> 01:24:04,425 I have Enright cold. And, sir, that means I have you. 1437 01:24:04,529 --> 01:24:06,360 - Really? - Really. 1438 01:24:06,464 --> 01:24:09,797 Then why are you the one that's sweating? 1439 01:24:12,337 --> 01:24:16,068 [Barry] This week's challenger from New York, New York, welcome Mrs. Vivienne Nearing. 1440 01:24:16,140 --> 01:24:20,702 And returning this week with $139,000, our champion, Charles Van Doren. 1441 01:24:20,812 --> 01:24:23,747 [Audience Applauding] 1442 01:24:23,848 --> 01:24:27,011 - A very cordial welcome to the show, Mrs. Nearing. Mr. Van Doren. - Jack. 1443 01:24:27,118 --> 01:24:29,678 You're back again with a lot of money at stake. 1444 01:24:29,787 --> 01:24:33,587 Mrs. Nearing, let's tell the Professor and our audience a little something about you. 1445 01:24:33,691 --> 01:24:36,990 [Announcer] A sometimes painter, pianist and Double-Crostics fan, 1446 01:24:37,095 --> 01:24:40,394 she has a Bachelor's Degree from Queens College, New York, 1447 01:24:40,498 --> 01:24:43,023 and a M.A. and L.L.B. from Columbia. 1448 01:24:43,134 --> 01:24:45,967 She and her husband Victor are lawyers in New York. 1449 01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:49,096 - Quite a bean inside that pretty head, huh? - She's terrifying. 1450 01:24:49,207 --> 01:24:52,870 All right, I think you both know how to play the game. Don't forget to put your earphones on. 1451 01:24:52,977 --> 01:24:57,004 The very best of luck to both of you. Let's play Twenty-One. 1452 01:25:01,586 --> 01:25:05,647 Some of the most important airplanes of World War Il were the following: 1453 01:25:05,757 --> 01:25:09,022 the P-40, the P-47, the P-51, 1454 01:25:09,127 --> 01:25:13,689 the B-24, the B-25 and the B-26. 1455 01:25:13,798 --> 01:25:17,165 Give me the nicknames the Air Force gave to these planes. 1456 01:25:17,268 --> 01:25:21,967 That's much harder than the question they asked that woman, and hers was ten points! 1457 01:25:22,073 --> 01:25:24,906 - Do you know the names of those planes? - Of course not. Sit down. 1458 01:25:25,009 --> 01:25:27,341 Who would know the names of those planes? 1459 01:25:27,445 --> 01:25:30,437 - He's not the Secretary of Defense. - Shh, shh. 1460 01:25:30,548 --> 01:25:35,349 As we enter our final round, Mrs. Nearing leads by a score of 21 to 16. 1461 01:25:35,453 --> 01:25:39,412 It is the moment of truth, as it were, for Charles Van Doren, our reigning champion, 1462 01:25:39,524 --> 01:25:41,549 after a record-breaking 14 weeks. 1463 01:25:41,659 --> 01:25:43,820 Will he hold onto his title? 1464 01:25:43,928 --> 01:25:46,761 Wow. Mrs. Nearing. 1465 01:25:46,864 --> 01:25:49,856 - Yes? - You have the required 21 points. 1466 01:25:49,967 --> 01:25:52,197 We're going to let you listen in on this last round. 1467 01:25:52,303 --> 01:25:55,670 Please do not divulge your score or speak in any way. 1468 01:25:55,773 --> 01:25:59,675 Mr. Van Doren, the category is royalty. 1469 01:25:59,777 --> 01:26:01,870 - Royalty. Yes, sir. - [Charles] Royalty. 1470 01:26:01,979 --> 01:26:05,176 - How many points would you like to try for? - Well, let's see. 1471 01:26:05,283 --> 01:26:08,741 I'll take five, five points. 1472 01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:12,755 [Barry] All right. Name the kings of the following countries: 1473 01:26:12,857 --> 01:26:16,657 Norway, Sweden, Belgium and Iraq. 1474 01:26:16,761 --> 01:26:19,355 - Could I take the third part last? - Certainly. 1475 01:26:19,464 --> 01:26:22,558 Take as much time as you need, Charlie. You have a lot riding on these answers. 1476 01:26:22,667 --> 01:26:26,262 I sure have. Well, Norway, that would be Haakon. King Haakon. 1477 01:26:26,370 --> 01:26:30,431 - [Barry] That's right - And Sweden, um, Gustavus. 1478 01:26:30,541 --> 01:26:33,738 - Right again, Charlie. The King of Iraq? - Iraq, uh-- 1479 01:26:33,845 --> 01:26:38,179 Turn it-- Turn it off. Turn the damn thing off! 1480 01:26:38,282 --> 01:26:43,515 - Good God! What got into you? - It's just too nerve-wracking. 1481 01:26:43,621 --> 01:26:45,589 I remember that's his, um... 1482 01:26:45,690 --> 01:26:49,524 great-uncle in that wonderful book, The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom. 1483 01:26:49,627 --> 01:26:52,391 Um, Do-- No, um-- 1484 01:26:52,497 --> 01:26:56,194 - Fais-- Oh, King Faisal. - Correct. And Belgium? 1485 01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:59,895 Belgium. Belgium. Belgium. Belgium. Let me see-- That's the third part? 1486 01:27:00,004 --> 01:27:03,132 - [Barry] That's right. - Um-- 1487 01:27:03,241 --> 01:27:06,210 King of Belgium, um-- 1488 01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:09,370 Um-- Um-- 1489 01:27:14,485 --> 01:27:16,385 Let me see-- 1490 01:27:19,457 --> 01:27:21,925 Professor, would you like more time? 1491 01:27:22,026 --> 01:27:24,961 [Charlie] Belgium, the King of Belgium. 1492 01:27:25,062 --> 01:27:27,053 I can picture him, Jack. 1493 01:27:27,164 --> 01:27:30,224 Right down to that Hapsburg lip that they-- 1494 01:27:30,334 --> 01:27:34,270 I can't seem to summon the name. Um-- 1495 01:27:34,372 --> 01:27:37,273 He's gonna dump it. 1496 01:27:37,375 --> 01:27:40,867 [Ringing] 1497 01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,240 Is Garroway here? 1498 01:27:45,349 --> 01:27:47,544 [Ringing Continues] 1499 01:27:47,652 --> 01:27:51,486 Professor, I'm sorry. I'm going to have to ask for your answer. 1500 01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,154 It seems like an easy one. 1501 01:28:05,336 --> 01:28:07,270 Leopold. 1502 01:28:08,339 --> 01:28:11,934 - No. - [Crowd Gasps] 1503 01:28:15,346 --> 01:28:18,679 [Barry] No, I'm-- I'm sorry, Charlie. The answer is Baudouin. 1504 01:28:18,783 --> 01:28:21,251 King Baudouin. 1505 01:28:21,352 --> 01:28:24,719 Leopold is Baudouin's father, the former king. 1506 01:28:24,822 --> 01:28:27,188 What a stunning turn of events. 1507 01:28:27,291 --> 01:28:31,751 - Mrs. Nearing, you have just unseated our champion. - Baudouin. Of course. 1508 01:28:31,862 --> 01:28:34,695 - Come out here, both of you. - [Crowd Applauding] 1509 01:28:34,799 --> 01:28:38,860 [All Chattering] 1510 01:28:38,970 --> 01:28:43,168 Listen, you don't know what to do? Give him another chance, that's what. 1511 01:28:43,274 --> 01:28:45,799 Call it a bonus round, but get him on that show again. 1512 01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:50,210 - Someone will call if he loses, won't they? - I'm sure. 1513 01:28:50,314 --> 01:28:52,009 - Congratulations. - Thank you. 1514 01:28:52,116 --> 01:28:55,847 Changing of the guard, as it were. You take home $10,000 of Mr. Van Doren's money. 1515 01:28:55,953 --> 01:28:58,979 We'll try not to hold that against you. Please, come back next week. 1516 01:28:59,090 --> 01:29:01,854 Tell us you want to continue playing. I sure hope you do. How 'bout a warm hand... 1517 01:29:01,959 --> 01:29:04,792 - for our new champion, Mrs. Vivienne Nearing. - Thank you. 1518 01:29:04,895 --> 01:29:07,728 [Applause] 1519 01:29:07,832 --> 01:29:10,665 [Barry] Whoa, who is that in our wing? Is that Dave Garroway? 1520 01:29:10,768 --> 01:29:14,363 Dave Garroway of the NBC Today Show, ladies and gentlemen. 1521 01:29:14,472 --> 01:29:16,963 - [Applause] - Hello, Dave. 1522 01:29:17,074 --> 01:29:19,235 - How are you, Charlie? - Fine, thank you, Dave. 1523 01:29:19,343 --> 01:29:23,143 - I was wondering, what are you gonna do now? - Well, I was, um... 1524 01:29:23,247 --> 01:29:27,206 hoping to enjoy some peace and quiet now and a chance to get back to my books. 1525 01:29:27,318 --> 01:29:31,687 You know, eventually, this sad day had to come, but we don't wanna lose you. 1526 01:29:31,789 --> 01:29:36,692 So, at the Today Show, we decided why not make Charlie our special cultural correspondent, 1527 01:29:36,794 --> 01:29:39,627 to the people and to the school children of America. 1528 01:29:39,730 --> 01:29:41,891 Well, I-- I hope you're not firing the chimp. 1529 01:29:41,999 --> 01:29:47,665 [Laughs] How does $50,000 a year sound to you, Professor? 1530 01:29:47,772 --> 01:29:51,105 [Applause] 1531 01:29:51,208 --> 01:29:53,836 Um, well, I-- 1532 01:29:53,944 --> 01:29:57,505 I was hoping to, um-- [Chuckles] to get back to my teaching. 1533 01:29:57,615 --> 01:30:01,745 Well, this is the largest classroom in the world, Professor: television. 1534 01:30:01,852 --> 01:30:05,049 So, if you will, just sign right here on the dotted line. 1535 01:30:05,156 --> 01:30:09,616 Charlie, walk away. Come on. You don't need it. 1536 01:30:09,727 --> 01:30:12,719 [Chuckles] 1537 01:30:14,231 --> 01:30:17,689 - Congratulations, Charlie. - [Applause] - Thank you. 1538 01:30:17,802 --> 01:30:20,430 [People Chattering] 1539 01:30:20,538 --> 01:30:22,733 - Did Mr. Garroway leave? - Yes, sir. 1540 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,501 - Good show, Dave. - Thanks. 1541 01:30:24,608 --> 01:30:27,873 - Mrs. Nearing, congratulations. It was a wonderful show. - Thank you. 1542 01:30:27,978 --> 01:30:30,640 Gentlemen, this is Mrs. Nearing. You know Al Freedman. 1543 01:30:30,748 --> 01:30:33,273 - [Mrs. Nearing] Yes, we've met. - [Enright] You're gonna be needed tomorrow. 1544 01:30:34,351 --> 01:30:36,876 You're a very disruptive young man. 1545 01:30:36,987 --> 01:30:41,947 Okay, let's bring the camera out, and let's bring the blackboard in. 1546 01:30:42,059 --> 01:30:45,688 - You remember James Snodgrass? - Who? And can we get Mrs. Nearing in there? 1547 01:30:45,796 --> 01:30:48,594 - James Snodgrass. - Get her in there with her family. 1548 01:30:48,699 --> 01:30:52,499 - He was a contestant on your show. - You know how many contestants we've had? 1549 01:30:52,603 --> 01:30:56,630 - This man was an artist. Maybe that'll jog your memory. - Al digs these people up. 1550 01:30:56,741 --> 01:31:01,075 - God knows where he finds them. Now, a picture with her mother. - He's in Greenwich Village. 1551 01:31:01,178 --> 01:31:04,170 There was a question about the first line of a poem by Emily Dickinson. 1552 01:31:04,281 --> 01:31:07,808 Barry apparently expected he was going to say Ralph Waldo Emerson and get it wrong. 1553 01:31:07,918 --> 01:31:10,910 - Really? I'm very busy now. - Yeah, and I have it on the kinescope, okay? 1554 01:31:11,021 --> 01:31:14,047 - It's clear as day. The man literally did a double take. - [Chuckles] 1555 01:31:14,158 --> 01:31:18,094 He did a double take. And-And who told you this? Is this Herb again? 1556 01:31:18,195 --> 01:31:21,528 - Or is this the Greenwich Village beatnik? - Oh, that's interesting. 1557 01:31:21,632 --> 01:31:24,396 Why is he a beatnik? Because he's not Charlie Van Doren? 1558 01:31:24,502 --> 01:31:27,062 Yeah, you're damn right. He's not Charlie Van Doren. 1559 01:31:27,171 --> 01:31:30,436 You got crackpots comin' out of the woodwork. You're snoopin' around askin' questions. 1560 01:31:30,541 --> 01:31:34,068 - You don't have a shred of concrete evidence. - Let me tell you somethin'. 1561 01:31:34,178 --> 01:31:38,615 In this envelope are all the questions that James Snodgrass was asked on Twenty-One, okay? 1562 01:31:38,716 --> 01:31:42,777 The odd thing about this envelope is he appeared on the show on January 13, 1563 01:31:42,887 --> 01:31:47,654 yet somehow he mailed this to himself January 11, registered mail. 1564 01:31:47,758 --> 01:31:51,091 I'd say that's pretty goddamn concrete, wouldn't you? 1565 01:31:51,195 --> 01:31:54,631 [Barry] Look right into the camera. 1566 01:31:54,732 --> 01:31:57,701 [Freedman] I wasn't in there, was I? You didn't see me? 1567 01:31:57,802 --> 01:31:59,963 [Photographer] No, you were out. It's okay. 1568 01:32:14,752 --> 01:32:17,152 Why would he do that? 1569 01:32:17,254 --> 01:32:20,690 How's that trap feel clamped on your leg? 1570 01:32:21,826 --> 01:32:24,351 He sent it to himself registered mail? 1571 01:32:24,461 --> 01:32:29,364 Why should you be the fall guy here when NBC and Geritol are makin' the real money? 1572 01:32:32,536 --> 01:32:35,266 [Sighs] Dick. 1573 01:32:35,372 --> 01:32:39,308 [Chuckles] Dan. 1574 01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:42,641 You want me to implicate the network? 1575 01:32:42,746 --> 01:32:45,078 You don't owe them a thing. 1576 01:32:46,917 --> 01:32:49,852 If I even hinted that the network knew, 1577 01:32:49,954 --> 01:32:53,082 and they didn't... know, 1578 01:32:53,190 --> 01:32:56,717 they'd never let me through the door again. 1579 01:32:56,827 --> 01:33:00,888 I got a sneakin' suspicion you're not going through that door anyway. 1580 01:33:03,834 --> 01:33:06,200 Television's my life, Dick. 1581 01:33:06,303 --> 01:33:10,239 It's over. Why don't you go talk to your family? 1582 01:33:15,012 --> 01:33:17,378 I just had a thought. 1583 01:33:18,849 --> 01:33:21,079 Would you be interested in your own panel show? 1584 01:33:24,889 --> 01:33:27,915 - Seriously. - [Chuckles] 1585 01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:31,354 What? 1586 01:33:33,063 --> 01:33:35,896 I'll get back to you on that, Dan. 1587 01:33:50,748 --> 01:33:52,613 [Doorbell Buzzes] 1588 01:33:52,716 --> 01:33:54,843 - Excuse the robe. - That's all right. 1589 01:33:54,952 --> 01:33:56,852 First decent night's sleep I've had in months. Would you like coffee? 1590 01:33:56,954 --> 01:34:01,118 I thought I'd drop by before I head back to Washington. I got a 10:00 train. 1591 01:34:01,225 --> 01:34:03,659 We're going to announce our hearings later today. 1592 01:34:03,761 --> 01:34:07,595 Oh, really? As I exit the stage, you enter. 1593 01:34:07,698 --> 01:34:10,189 Well, don't forget the world's biggest classroom. 1594 01:34:10,301 --> 01:34:14,601 Oh, that. Well, it's-- [Chuckles] It's the world's biggest something. 1595 01:34:14,705 --> 01:34:16,832 Uh-- 1596 01:34:16,941 --> 01:34:20,104 How do you like it, Dick? You seem like a black coffee man. 1597 01:34:20,210 --> 01:34:22,201 Yeah, black's fine. 1598 01:34:25,616 --> 01:34:28,312 Here we go. 1599 01:34:28,419 --> 01:34:32,446 A toast to... escape. 1600 01:34:35,726 --> 01:34:38,820 "It is the basket in which the heart is caught... 1601 01:34:38,929 --> 01:34:42,296 when down some awful Battlement the rest of Life is dropt." 1602 01:34:42,399 --> 01:34:44,867 King Baudouin. 1603 01:34:44,969 --> 01:34:48,632 Emily Dickinson, actually. 1604 01:34:48,739 --> 01:34:51,037 The one you lost on. 1605 01:34:51,942 --> 01:34:53,876 Oh, that. 1606 01:34:53,978 --> 01:34:58,938 Well, it seems the Belgian Consulate has formally protested my ignorance. 1607 01:34:59,049 --> 01:35:04,282 Up at Cornwall, Charlie, your father said he felt like Leopold, remember? 1608 01:35:04,388 --> 01:35:07,084 You lost on one you knew. Same as Stempel. 1609 01:35:07,191 --> 01:35:09,716 Well, I-- I must have had a mental block. 1610 01:35:09,827 --> 01:35:11,727 I was there last night. 1611 01:35:11,829 --> 01:35:15,788 I could swear a smile crept across your face when you lost. 1612 01:35:15,899 --> 01:35:18,197 [Sighs] 1613 01:35:18,302 --> 01:35:22,705 I wanted to get off the show. You can understand that. 1614 01:35:22,806 --> 01:35:26,435 I feel like I've been holding my breath for 14 weeks. 1615 01:35:28,345 --> 01:35:30,245 Why? What'd you think it was? 1616 01:35:30,347 --> 01:35:36,217 Look, I spoke to the committee, okay? We're going to hold the hearings without you. 1617 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,187 I am not out to destroy you or your family. 1618 01:35:39,289 --> 01:35:41,780 - You go on and you live your life, and God bless you. - Okay. 1619 01:35:41,892 --> 01:35:46,454 But I wanna know, man to man, did you get the answers? 1620 01:35:46,563 --> 01:35:49,794 - "Man to man"? - Yeah, just between us. 1621 01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:52,767 What is this? Is this still that business with Stempel? 1622 01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:55,532 I mean, Dan says he's not the most reliable fellow. 1623 01:35:55,639 --> 01:35:59,302 There's a problem, Charlie. I found another contestant, a man named James Snodgrass. 1624 01:35:59,410 --> 01:36:02,379 - He says he got the answers too. - Are you sure these people are telling the truth? 1625 01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,937 He put the questions in a sealed envelope and sent them to himself, registered mail. 1626 01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:08,814 - That was two days before he appeared on the show. - That doesn't prove anything. 1627 01:36:08,919 --> 01:36:11,717 - You don't have to be a genius to connect the dots. - Don't connect them through me. 1628 01:36:11,822 --> 01:36:14,484 Don't treat me like I'm some member of your goddamned fan club! 1629 01:36:14,591 --> 01:36:17,082 Are you telling me everybody got the answers but you? 1630 01:36:17,194 --> 01:36:20,425 - You're so persistent. I envy that. - Was it just the money? 1631 01:36:20,531 --> 01:36:23,591 You'll forgive me, but anyone that thinks money is ever just money couldn't have much of it. 1632 01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:27,227 You wanna insult me, fine. But you can't envy me at the same time. 1633 01:36:27,337 --> 01:36:31,797 Jesus! If someone offered you all this money to be on some rigged quiz show, 1634 01:36:31,909 --> 01:36:33,877 instant fame, would you do it? 1635 01:36:33,977 --> 01:36:37,413 - No. Of course not. - No, no. 1636 01:36:37,514 --> 01:36:41,314 Throw the whole thing in: Cover of Time; Dave Garroway; 50,000 to read poetry on TV; 1637 01:36:41,418 --> 01:36:43,784 would you do it? 1638 01:36:43,887 --> 01:36:45,912 No. 1639 01:36:46,023 --> 01:36:48,389 And I would? 1640 01:36:54,231 --> 01:36:57,132 [Sighs] Honestly, Dick. 1641 01:37:01,472 --> 01:37:06,466 All right. Look, do me a favor. Don't embarrass me. 1642 01:37:06,577 --> 01:37:09,876 Keep your mouth shut. Don't say anything. Don't talk to the papers. 1643 01:37:09,980 --> 01:37:11,880 Just disappear for two weeks. 1644 01:37:11,982 --> 01:37:14,450 Please, don't make me call you. 1645 01:37:21,592 --> 01:37:24,652 More coffee, Dick? 1646 01:37:24,761 --> 01:37:27,025 Nope. [Sighs] I better go. 1647 01:37:27,131 --> 01:37:30,396 I don't wanna miss my train. 1648 01:37:31,902 --> 01:37:35,235 [Gavel Pounding] 1649 01:37:35,339 --> 01:37:38,672 [Man] The subcommittee will be in order. 1650 01:37:38,775 --> 01:37:43,041 The special Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight... 1651 01:37:43,147 --> 01:37:45,911 was created pursuant to Section 136... 1652 01:37:46,016 --> 01:37:49,816 of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946... 1653 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,787 to conduct a general investigation into the operation... 1654 01:37:52,890 --> 01:37:55,757 of the federal regulatory agencies. 1655 01:37:55,859 --> 01:37:59,158 I'll ask if you were assisted in any way. You answer, "Yes." I'll say, "How?" 1656 01:37:59,263 --> 01:38:02,096 You say, "I was given the questions and answers in advance." 1657 01:38:02,199 --> 01:38:05,362 - Why don't you just sit on my pants? - I'll ask, "Was this done routinely?" 1658 01:38:05,469 --> 01:38:08,802 - You answer, "Yes." - Not that tie. The television tie. 1659 01:38:08,906 --> 01:38:11,932 - [Alarm Ringing] - [Groans] 1660 01:38:12,042 --> 01:38:16,604 - We've gone over this five times already. - Just try to relax. 1661 01:38:16,713 --> 01:38:19,011 Be confident. Look at the Chairman directly when you answer. 1662 01:38:19,116 --> 01:38:22,415 Enough! You're worse than Enright! I'm telling the truth. 1663 01:38:22,519 --> 01:38:25,613 If they prefer to be lied to, they can just turn on the television. 1664 01:38:25,722 --> 01:38:30,250 - There's a lot riding on this. - You're telling me there's a lot riding on it, yeah. 1665 01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,090 - What do you think, Toby? - What do I think about what? 1666 01:38:33,197 --> 01:38:35,324 Ready to watch your husband give 'em hell? 1667 01:38:35,432 --> 01:38:38,094 - I don't know what you're gonna accomplish. - As soon as Enright realizes-- 1668 01:38:38,202 --> 01:38:41,933 What do you want, the two-tone or the oxford? You should wear the oxford. 1669 01:38:42,039 --> 01:38:45,372 When Enright realizes he's alone up there and they're gonna cut him loose, 1670 01:38:45,475 --> 01:38:48,876 he will implicate NBC and Geritol like that, and believe me, you're gonna see somethin'. 1671 01:38:48,979 --> 01:38:53,439 I know what you're gonna accomplish. I just don't know what he's gonna accomplish. 1672 01:38:53,550 --> 01:38:56,951 You wanna know what? If I do nothing else, I will convince them... 1673 01:38:57,054 --> 01:39:00,922 that Herbert Stempel knows what won the goddamned Academy Award... 1674 01:39:01,024 --> 01:39:03,185 for best goddamned picture of 1955. 1675 01:39:03,293 --> 01:39:06,057 - That's what I'm going to accomplish! - I'm sick of all this. 1676 01:39:06,296 --> 01:39:10,289 The subcommittee calls Herbert Stempel. 1677 01:39:21,245 --> 01:39:23,770 [Goodwin] So, in other words, you kept on winning. 1678 01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,816 - Yes, sir, that is correct. - At any time during this championship run, 1679 01:39:27,918 --> 01:39:29,886 were you ever assisted in any way? 1680 01:39:29,987 --> 01:39:32,979 [Stempel] I was given the questions and answers in advance. 1681 01:39:33,090 --> 01:39:36,287 Generally, I would receive the questions and answers on Friday. 1682 01:39:36,393 --> 01:39:38,657 Then we'd have sort of a rehearsal on Monday. 1683 01:39:38,762 --> 01:39:41,356 - This is from the very beginning? - Yes. 1684 01:39:41,465 --> 01:39:45,162 Dan Enright came to see me in my kitchen and he said, 1685 01:39:45,269 --> 01:39:50,002 "How'd you like to make $25,000?" And I said, "Who wouldn't?" 1686 01:39:50,107 --> 01:39:51,904 What do you mean by rehearsal? 1687 01:39:52,009 --> 01:39:56,275 Well, for example, he told me how to breathe heavily into the microphone... 1688 01:39:56,380 --> 01:39:59,213 and sigh such as this. 1689 01:39:59,316 --> 01:40:02,376 - [Heavy Sighing] - [People Laughing] 1690 01:40:02,486 --> 01:40:05,922 He taught me how to stutter and say in a plaintive voice, 1691 01:40:06,023 --> 01:40:09,891 "I will take, uh, n-nine-- uh, nine points." 1692 01:40:09,993 --> 01:40:14,589 - It was all choreographed. - How to bite my lip. How to mop my brow. 1693 01:40:14,698 --> 01:40:19,465 He told me specifically not to smear my brow, but rather to pat for optimum effect. 1694 01:40:19,569 --> 01:40:22,504 Of course, I'm shvitzing the whole time because they turned off the air conditioning. 1695 01:40:22,606 --> 01:40:24,904 - Excuse me? - [People Laughing] 1696 01:40:26,710 --> 01:40:30,578 - That's funny. - [Goodwin] Mr. Chairman. 1697 01:40:30,681 --> 01:40:35,243 With your permission, we might at this point, view a portion of the program, Twenty-One. 1698 01:40:35,352 --> 01:40:37,684 Whenever you're ready. 1699 01:40:46,296 --> 01:40:50,289 Herb Stempel, with your $69,500 still at stake-- 1700 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:54,461 although now at $2,500 a point-- the category is... 1701 01:40:54,571 --> 01:40:56,835 newspapers. 1702 01:40:56,940 --> 01:40:59,374 How many points you wanna try for? 1703 01:40:59,476 --> 01:41:02,570 - There! There's the lip biting. - [People Laughing] 1704 01:41:02,679 --> 01:41:04,977 [Chairman] Yes, we see. 1705 01:41:05,082 --> 01:41:08,245 Finally, I was told to open my eyes... 1706 01:41:08,352 --> 01:41:13,449 and with a dazzling smile, give the answer and explode when Jack Barry says, "That is right." 1707 01:41:13,557 --> 01:41:15,923 The Emporia Gazette? 1708 01:41:16,026 --> 01:41:19,894 - [Barry] That is right! - [Stempel Chuckles] 1709 01:41:19,996 --> 01:41:24,729 I don't know where he got it all. Some article on mass psychology he read in Esquire. 1710 01:41:24,835 --> 01:41:26,928 [People Laughing] 1711 01:41:27,037 --> 01:41:29,403 [Stempel Chuckles] 1712 01:41:29,506 --> 01:41:32,407 - I'll try eight points. - Watch Van Doren. 1713 01:41:32,509 --> 01:41:36,570 - He's better at it than I am. - Mr. Stempel, if I might refer you-- 1714 01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,446 - Are you suggesting that Charles Van Doren was also coached? - Of course he got the answers. 1715 01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:42,848 Why would they give me the answers and not give him the answers? 1716 01:41:42,953 --> 01:41:46,684 Why would they make me take a dive unless they knew the other guy would get to 21? 1717 01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:50,248 It's illogical. You don't fix one guy without fixing the other guy. 1718 01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,295 It's implausible, mathematically. 1719 01:41:53,397 --> 01:41:57,265 [Barry] It would be, and you have eight points. 1720 01:41:57,367 --> 01:42:01,861 You see? Look at him. You see with the brow? Patting, not smearing. 1721 01:42:01,972 --> 01:42:07,274 Mr. Stempel, have you ever received any psychiatric treatment of any kind? 1722 01:42:07,377 --> 01:42:09,368 What? 1723 01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:13,643 - Uh, Mr. Stempel, I was wondering-- - Mr. Goodwin, please. 1724 01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:17,709 Five sessions a week. That's pretty extensive, isn't it? 1725 01:42:17,821 --> 01:42:21,814 Well, I believe we can all use a little help at various times in our lives. 1726 01:42:21,925 --> 01:42:24,416 Is it possible that any of your testimony is motivated... 1727 01:42:24,528 --> 01:42:28,464 by an irrational animosity toward Mr. Enright? 1728 01:42:28,565 --> 01:42:31,864 l-l-l don't know. If a man doesn't live up to his agreement-- 1729 01:42:31,968 --> 01:42:34,562 A morbid fixation on Mr. Van Doren? 1730 01:42:34,671 --> 01:42:37,572 If a man promises certain things just to shut me up-- 1731 01:42:37,674 --> 01:42:41,405 "How'd you like to make $25,000?" And you said, "Well, who wouldn't?" 1732 01:42:41,511 --> 01:42:45,345 In retrospect, look at Van Doren. I should've held out for a lot more. 1733 01:42:45,449 --> 01:42:48,680 You prostituted your intellectual ability for money. 1734 01:42:48,785 --> 01:42:51,083 That's the difference between me and Van Doren. 1735 01:42:51,188 --> 01:42:53,156 I admit it. I have my morality. 1736 01:42:53,256 --> 01:42:57,488 Charles Van Doren is a professor at Columbia University. 1737 01:42:57,594 --> 01:43:00,529 A Master's degree in astrophysics. 1738 01:43:00,630 --> 01:43:03,155 A Ph.D. in literature. 1739 01:43:03,266 --> 01:43:09,102 Hails from one of the most prominent intellectual families in this country. 1740 01:43:09,206 --> 01:43:11,731 Isn't it just possible, Mr. Stempel, 1741 01:43:11,842 --> 01:43:15,369 that you got the answers and he didn't? 1742 01:43:18,782 --> 01:43:21,546 [Crowd Chattering] 1743 01:43:23,620 --> 01:43:26,612 [Woman] So I told my husband, "We really need a vacation." 1744 01:43:26,690 --> 01:43:29,352 My husband says, "What are you gonna do with the cat?" 1745 01:43:29,459 --> 01:43:31,723 - Uh-huh. - And I said, "I don't know." 1746 01:43:31,828 --> 01:43:33,796 Good morning. 1747 01:43:33,897 --> 01:43:36,525 Will you excuse us? 1748 01:43:39,135 --> 01:43:41,695 Charlie, I'm Bob Kintner. 1749 01:43:41,805 --> 01:43:43,705 - Oh. - Don't get up. 1750 01:43:43,807 --> 01:43:46,401 - It's about time we met. - Hi. It's a pleasure. 1751 01:43:46,510 --> 01:43:49,206 - This whole... quiz show mess, - Uh-huh. 1752 01:43:49,312 --> 01:43:53,146 - and hearings and all that. - I've been following that in the paper. 1753 01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:57,653 Well, our legal department has prepared this for you. 1754 01:44:06,263 --> 01:44:09,892 We'd like you to hold a press conference. 1755 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,163 Oh, there's a split infinitive here in the second paragraph. 1756 01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:17,400 [Chuckles] Shall I schedule it? 1757 01:44:19,009 --> 01:44:20,909 Well, look, um... 1758 01:44:21,011 --> 01:44:24,845 I haven't been subpoenaed, and I can't think of anything that'd sound guiltier... 1759 01:44:24,948 --> 01:44:29,078 than a man who hasn't been accused of anything protesting his innocence. 1760 01:44:31,655 --> 01:44:36,820 Charlie, speculation in our society has a way of becoming fact. 1761 01:44:39,763 --> 01:44:42,891 Television is a public trust. 1762 01:44:42,999 --> 01:44:48,130 We can't afford even a hint of a scandal in our company. 1763 01:44:50,507 --> 01:44:52,998 Well, I-- I'd rather not do it. 1764 01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:55,043 I'm sorry. 1765 01:44:57,113 --> 01:44:59,377 Haven't we been good to you? 1766 01:45:01,017 --> 01:45:04,817 Haven't we treated you like part of our family? 1767 01:45:06,823 --> 01:45:10,224 We have great expectations for you, Charlie. 1768 01:45:12,128 --> 01:45:14,961 I know you're gonna do the right thing. 1769 01:45:38,288 --> 01:45:41,655 - I'm sorry, Mr. Van Doren. - Is he in? 1770 01:45:41,758 --> 01:45:44,056 - He's gone, Mr. Van Doren. - He's gone to Washington? 1771 01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:46,856 Mr. Freedman's gone to Mexico. 1772 01:45:52,802 --> 01:45:56,761 I still don't understand how you can hold a quiz show hearing without Van Doren. 1773 01:45:56,873 --> 01:45:59,671 Van Doren had no contact with NBC or Geritol. 1774 01:45:59,776 --> 01:46:03,405 Don't you understand, they deal with Enright. Enright's the key here. 1775 01:46:03,513 --> 01:46:07,244 The key to what? The jury hears the public. The public doesn't know Dan Enright. 1776 01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:11,150 The purpose is not to reform the souls of the contestants. The purpose is to reform TV. 1777 01:46:11,254 --> 01:46:13,745 - It's like the Barenblatt and the Sweezey cases. - You don't wanna call him. 1778 01:46:13,857 --> 01:46:16,291 Fine, Dick. Just don't patronize me with your legal bullshit. 1779 01:46:16,393 --> 01:46:20,261 - She's got a point, Dick. - Bob, maybe it's time for you to go home. 1780 01:46:20,363 --> 01:46:22,456 How'd you like Dick's steak done, Bob? Medium? 1781 01:46:22,565 --> 01:46:26,160 - There's absolutely no need to drag the man into the spotlight. - You dragged Herb Stempel in. 1782 01:46:26,269 --> 01:46:29,796 The man has to be dragged from the spotlight with his teethmarks still on it. 1783 01:46:29,906 --> 01:46:33,273 Yeah, well, nobody forced Charles Van Doren to go in front of 50 million people either. 1784 01:46:33,376 --> 01:46:36,709 This is not McCarthyism. We are not here to expose for the sake of exposing. 1785 01:46:36,813 --> 01:46:39,976 - This is not the point! - That is the point! That is not your point! 1786 01:46:40,083 --> 01:46:43,519 You are ten times the man Charles Van Doren is. 1787 01:46:43,620 --> 01:46:47,112 Ten times the brain and ten times the human being. 1788 01:46:47,223 --> 01:46:49,851 Meanwhile, you're bending over backwards for him. 1789 01:46:49,959 --> 01:46:53,520 You are like the Uncle Tom of the Jews. 1790 01:46:53,630 --> 01:46:58,727 I'm glad it's so easy for you to destroy a man's life. I'll have to keep that in mind. 1791 01:46:58,835 --> 01:47:00,860 Bob, sit down. 1792 01:47:02,839 --> 01:47:06,605 The quiz show hearings without Van Doren is like doing Hamlet without Hamlet. 1793 01:47:11,347 --> 01:47:15,147 The Chairman's instructions are for me to get you up there as promptly as possible. 1794 01:47:15,218 --> 01:47:17,277 The questions are to take no longer than 15 minutes. 1795 01:47:17,387 --> 01:47:19,947 You're to receive the questions in advance, 1796 01:47:20,056 --> 01:47:23,958 and I'm to thank you for the courtesy of attending this hearing. 1797 01:47:26,029 --> 01:47:29,021 Mercy. What a grueling line of inquiry. 1798 01:47:29,132 --> 01:47:33,262 Must have a familiar ring, the questions in advance. 1799 01:47:36,039 --> 01:47:38,803 Would you excuse us for a moment, please? 1800 01:47:41,745 --> 01:47:44,043 Take this, please. Thank you. 1801 01:47:47,283 --> 01:47:49,513 - [Door Closes] - Young man-- 1802 01:47:49,619 --> 01:47:52,884 The ratings went up if the same contestant came back week after week. 1803 01:47:52,989 --> 01:47:56,117 There was only one way for that to happen. You had to know that. 1804 01:47:56,226 --> 01:48:00,424 Young man, I sell over $14 million a year worth of Geritol. 1805 01:48:00,530 --> 01:48:03,522 Geritol. That's the kind of businessman I am. 1806 01:48:03,633 --> 01:48:06,966 That show, Twenty-One, cost me three and a half million year in, year out. 1807 01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:12,064 Sales went up 50 % when Van Doren was on. Fifty percent. 1808 01:48:12,175 --> 01:48:17,374 So the very idea that I was unaware of every detail of that show's operation, 1809 01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:19,505 frankly, it's very insulting. 1810 01:48:19,616 --> 01:48:21,516 - So you knew. - That's even more insulting. 1811 01:48:21,618 --> 01:48:24,280 - You had to know-- - It's not about what I know. It's about what you know. 1812 01:48:24,387 --> 01:48:27,879 - You don't know what I know. - You know that Dan Enright ran a crooked quiz show. 1813 01:48:27,991 --> 01:48:30,516 He never informed you? 1814 01:48:30,627 --> 01:48:32,561 Did he? 1815 01:48:32,662 --> 01:48:34,596 [Chuckles] Let's see what he says. 1816 01:48:34,697 --> 01:48:39,964 Dan? Look, Dan Enright wants a future in television, okay? 1817 01:48:40,069 --> 01:48:43,163 You have to understand that the public has a very short memory. 1818 01:48:43,273 --> 01:48:45,366 But corporations, they never forget. 1819 01:48:45,475 --> 01:48:48,035 He's not that stupid. He knows he's through. 1820 01:48:48,144 --> 01:48:52,308 No. Oh, he'll be back. NBC is gonna go on. Geritol's gonna go on. 1821 01:48:52,415 --> 01:48:55,384 Makes me wonder what you hope to accomplish with all this. 1822 01:48:55,485 --> 01:48:57,350 Don't worry. I'm just gettin' started. 1823 01:48:57,453 --> 01:49:00,547 Even the quiz shows'll be back. Why fix them? 1824 01:49:00,657 --> 01:49:04,593 Think about it. You could do exactly the same thing by just making the questions easier. 1825 01:49:04,694 --> 01:49:09,290 The audience didn't tune in to watch some amazing display of intellectual ability. 1826 01:49:11,134 --> 01:49:14,831 They just wanted to watch the money. 1827 01:49:14,938 --> 01:49:17,566 Imagine if they could watch you. 1828 01:49:20,577 --> 01:49:24,877 You're a bright young kid with a bright future. Watch yourself out there. 1829 01:49:24,981 --> 01:49:27,745 I turned in my clubs after that day. 1830 01:49:27,851 --> 01:49:31,378 [Kintner] Well, you weren't too good when you were out on the links with me that day. 1831 01:49:31,487 --> 01:49:34,285 I can't wait to get you out there again. 1832 01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:37,086 - Stuck in that sand trap for an hour. - No more for me. 1833 01:49:37,193 --> 01:49:40,424 Would you state your name and profession? 1834 01:49:40,530 --> 01:49:45,297 My name is Robert Kintner. I'm the president of the National Broadcasting Company. 1835 01:49:45,401 --> 01:49:48,734 [Man] My name is Martin Rittenhome. I run Pharmaceuticals Incorporated. 1836 01:49:48,838 --> 01:49:51,568 I take that responsibility very seriously, Congressman. 1837 01:49:51,674 --> 01:49:54,165 We immediately commenced our own internal investigation. 1838 01:49:54,277 --> 01:49:57,838 To ferret out this corruption wherever it may exist. 1839 01:49:57,947 --> 01:50:00,347 Nobody brought the article in Time Magazine to your attention? 1840 01:50:00,450 --> 01:50:02,509 I was in Europe. I didn't see it. 1841 01:50:02,619 --> 01:50:04,678 You didn't see it. You were travelling. 1842 01:50:04,787 --> 01:50:06,687 I didn't see it. I was travelling at the time. 1843 01:50:06,789 --> 01:50:10,816 You sure you never asked about particular contestants or about the ratings, nothing? 1844 01:50:10,927 --> 01:50:15,193 - That was their department. - I relied on the excellent reputation of Dan Enright. 1845 01:50:15,298 --> 01:50:18,028 Dan Enright was more in the nature of an independent contractor. 1846 01:50:18,134 --> 01:50:20,602 Do you remember what you thought when you found out? 1847 01:50:20,703 --> 01:50:23,763 I was as shocked as you are. I mean, this was a terrible thing to do to the American people. 1848 01:50:23,873 --> 01:50:26,137 I never, never imagined... 1849 01:50:26,242 --> 01:50:29,700 they could perpetrate this fraud on the American public. 1850 01:50:29,812 --> 01:50:33,976 I'd like to say one other thing. I think all that money should be returned. 1851 01:50:34,083 --> 01:50:37,450 Mr. Goodwin, any further questions? 1852 01:50:39,155 --> 01:50:42,454 No, sir, thank you. No further questions. 1853 01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:50,531 [Chairman] On behalf of the subcommittee, I wish to thank you for your appearance... 1854 01:50:50,633 --> 01:50:53,227 and your testimony here. 1855 01:51:03,179 --> 01:51:05,409 Van Doren's made a statement. 1856 01:51:05,515 --> 01:51:09,747 I look like the mark in a shell game here, and you look like the shill. 1857 01:51:09,852 --> 01:51:11,877 - Sir, if you-- - Shut up! 1858 01:51:11,988 --> 01:51:16,049 - When is Van Doren coming here? I don't see him on the schedule. - He's not on the schedule. 1859 01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:18,423 Wait a minute. We discussed this. The contestants are not the villains. 1860 01:51:18,528 --> 01:51:20,758 We were gonna only bring in the ones who would come in voluntarily. 1861 01:51:20,863 --> 01:51:24,993 All I know is in the last hour, I've gotten over 200 telegrams from people askin' me... 1862 01:51:25,101 --> 01:51:28,002 why I won't let poor Charles Van Doren defend himself. 1863 01:51:28,104 --> 01:51:31,437 I've got every woman in Arkadelphia squealin' like a pig under a gate. 1864 01:51:31,541 --> 01:51:35,033 - Let me tell you somethin'. These women vote. - I cannot believe this. 1865 01:51:35,144 --> 01:51:38,011 - [Lishman] Where is Freedman? - The marshals are bringing him back from Mexico. 1866 01:51:38,114 --> 01:51:39,775 By what? By mule? 1867 01:51:39,882 --> 01:51:42,612 Sir, please, just tell me what it is that he said. 1868 01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:47,053 "Mr. Van Doren made himself available to the subcommittee staff. 1869 01:51:47,156 --> 01:51:52,458 He has advised them at no time was he supplied with any questions, answers--" 1870 01:51:56,532 --> 01:51:59,160 [Whistling] 1871 01:52:16,853 --> 01:52:19,344 That statement of yours took me a bit by surprise. 1872 01:52:19,455 --> 01:52:21,423 I know. I know. We had a deal. 1873 01:52:21,524 --> 01:52:24,891 I asked myself, "Why would he make a statement like that? 1874 01:52:24,994 --> 01:52:28,361 He knows I'll come after him." 1875 01:52:28,464 --> 01:52:31,126 But then it occurred to me: 1876 01:52:31,234 --> 01:52:34,135 He knows I'll come after him. 1877 01:52:36,472 --> 01:52:40,568 I can't decide if you think too much of me or too little. 1878 01:52:40,676 --> 01:52:44,009 Charlie, I wanna think the best of you. 1879 01:52:44,113 --> 01:52:46,741 Everyone does. 1880 01:52:46,849 --> 01:52:49,579 That's your curse. 1881 01:52:49,685 --> 01:52:53,553 - Did you bring a subpoena? - Right here. 1882 01:52:56,392 --> 01:52:58,292 Well? 1883 01:53:00,897 --> 01:53:05,891 I remember five, six years ago, my Uncle Harold told my aunt about this affair he had. 1884 01:53:06,002 --> 01:53:10,234 - It was a sort of mildly upsetting event in my family. - Mm-hmm. Mildly? 1885 01:53:10,339 --> 01:53:15,038 You have to put it in context. The thing of it is, the affair was over like eight years. 1886 01:53:15,144 --> 01:53:19,513 So, I remember askin' him, "Why'd you tell her? You got away with it." 1887 01:53:19,615 --> 01:53:22,709 I'll never forget what he said. 1888 01:53:22,819 --> 01:53:26,949 It was the "getting away with it" part he couldn't live with. 1889 01:53:28,891 --> 01:53:31,860 I might take that chance. 1890 01:53:35,598 --> 01:53:38,931 A chance is what I'm givin' ya. 1891 01:53:41,737 --> 01:53:44,399 - Don Quixote is life. - [Boy] I still don't see... 1892 01:53:44,507 --> 01:53:49,206 how this old guy with a horse and a fat old sidekick can think he's a knight. 1893 01:53:49,312 --> 01:53:51,940 It means if you wanna be a knight, act like a knight. 1894 01:53:52,048 --> 01:53:53,777 Okay. 1895 01:53:53,883 --> 01:53:56,784 Act like a knight? You act like a knight. 1896 01:53:56,886 --> 01:53:59,150 [Boy #2] I am a knight. 1897 01:53:59,255 --> 01:54:03,749 - I shall miss them. - What is this? That retirement business again? 1898 01:54:03,860 --> 01:54:06,761 [Chuckles] That'd be like a snail retiring from his shell. 1899 01:54:06,863 --> 01:54:11,596 I can't go on doing this forever. It's for you now, Charlie. 1900 01:54:11,701 --> 01:54:16,695 - So, what's the news? Did you read Norman Mailer in Dissent? - I only glanced at it. 1901 01:54:16,806 --> 01:54:20,970 Everyone's talking about it. They don't know whether he's a genius or a fool. 1902 01:54:21,077 --> 01:54:24,103 Have you heard there's this congressional committee that's, um-- 1903 01:54:24,213 --> 01:54:26,238 Well, they're investigating the quiz shows. 1904 01:54:26,349 --> 01:54:28,249 I read that. What's it about? 1905 01:54:28,351 --> 01:54:33,516 Well, evidently, certain of the contestants were given the answers in advance. 1906 01:54:33,623 --> 01:54:37,684 Cheating on a quiz show. That's like plagiarizing a comic strip. 1907 01:54:37,793 --> 01:54:41,889 Well, at any rate, it seems the committee wants to call me to, to testify. 1908 01:54:41,998 --> 01:54:45,593 Oh, I've testified before. Funding for the arts. It's nothing. 1909 01:54:45,701 --> 01:54:49,603 - I think this is a little different. - You'll run circles round them. 1910 01:54:49,705 --> 01:54:52,299 It's not exactly Jefferson and Lincoln down there anymore. 1911 01:54:52,408 --> 01:54:54,603 I think this is a little different. 1912 01:54:54,710 --> 01:54:56,803 I'd think you'd be glad at a chance to clear your name. 1913 01:54:56,913 --> 01:54:58,813 Otherwise, people might believe-- 1914 01:54:58,915 --> 01:55:02,112 People will believe whatever they want to believe. That's not the issue. 1915 01:55:02,218 --> 01:55:05,153 Just tell 'em the truth. You'll do fine. 1916 01:55:05,254 --> 01:55:09,122 The real issue, Charlie, is how this keeps distracting you from your teaching. 1917 01:55:09,225 --> 01:55:12,422 This and that program in the morning, though you insist that it doesn't. 1918 01:55:12,528 --> 01:55:15,497 Dad, I can't simply just tell 'em the truth. 1919 01:55:18,267 --> 01:55:20,735 Can't tell them the truth? 1920 01:55:20,836 --> 01:55:23,304 Why on earth not? 1921 01:55:23,406 --> 01:55:26,239 It's, it's complicated. 1922 01:55:26,342 --> 01:55:28,333 Complicated? 1923 01:55:28,444 --> 01:55:31,936 [Sighs] Yeah, I can't. I ca-- 1924 01:55:32,048 --> 01:55:35,211 Charlie, from what I understand, it's just this bunch of frauds... 1925 01:55:35,318 --> 01:55:38,287 showing off an erudition they didn't really have. 1926 01:55:38,387 --> 01:55:40,855 - All you have to do-- - The problem is... 1927 01:55:40,957 --> 01:55:43,790 is it seems I was one of those frauds. 1928 01:55:45,528 --> 01:55:47,428 What? 1929 01:55:56,239 --> 01:55:58,639 What-- What do you mean? 1930 01:55:58,741 --> 01:56:01,301 They gave me the answers. 1931 01:56:02,778 --> 01:56:05,679 They gave you the answers. 1932 01:56:05,781 --> 01:56:08,477 They gave you the answers! 1933 01:56:08,584 --> 01:56:10,575 Well-- No, no. 1934 01:56:10,686 --> 01:56:14,349 At first, they asked me questions they already knew I knew the answers to. 1935 01:56:14,457 --> 01:56:17,551 We ran through those, and I still didn't want them to give me the answers, 1936 01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:20,629 so I had them give me questions and I'd go look up the answers, 1937 01:56:20,730 --> 01:56:22,630 as if that were any different. 1938 01:56:22,732 --> 01:56:24,825 We ran through those in a couple of weeks. 1939 01:56:24,934 --> 01:56:27,630 Then I just didn't have the time. Finally, it just seemed silly. 1940 01:56:27,737 --> 01:56:31,798 They gave you all that money to answer questions they knew you knew? 1941 01:56:31,907 --> 01:56:34,467 - Now, that's inflation! - You're not being very helpful. 1942 01:56:34,577 --> 01:56:38,570 I'm sorry, Charlie. I'm an old man. It's all a little difficult for me to comprehend. 1943 01:56:38,681 --> 01:56:41,343 It's television, Dad! It's, it's just television. 1944 01:56:41,450 --> 01:56:43,145 You make it sound like you didn't have a choice. 1945 01:56:43,252 --> 01:56:46,187 What was I supposed to do at that point? Disillusion the whole goddamn country? 1946 01:56:46,289 --> 01:56:48,951 - You took the money! - Yes, I know! I took the money. 1947 01:56:49,058 --> 01:56:53,154 - Is that what this was about? - No. No. I don't know. 1948 01:56:53,262 --> 01:56:56,390 It was a goddamned quiz show, Charlie. 1949 01:56:56,499 --> 01:56:59,662 - "An ill-favored thing, sir. - This is not the time to play games. 1950 01:56:59,769 --> 01:57:04,331 - But mine own." It was mine. - Your name is mine. 1951 01:57:19,422 --> 01:57:22,152 Charlie. 1952 01:57:27,797 --> 01:57:29,890 I'm sorry. 1953 01:57:31,167 --> 01:57:33,658 I'm really sorry, Dad. 1954 01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:37,200 You'll be, um... 1955 01:57:38,307 --> 01:57:42,300 dragged into all this, you and Mother. 1956 01:57:43,879 --> 01:57:47,007 Oh, my God, Charlie. 1957 01:57:47,116 --> 01:57:50,779 How are you gonna tell that committee? 1958 01:57:53,522 --> 01:57:55,581 Will you come down there with me? 1959 01:58:00,029 --> 01:58:03,521 [Chairman] The, uh, subcommittee calls Charles Van Doren. 1960 01:58:04,133 --> 01:58:06,658 [Crowd Chattering] 1961 01:58:06,736 --> 01:58:10,433 [Reporters Firing Questions] 1962 01:58:25,121 --> 01:58:30,889 - [Gavel Pounding] - Photographers will please clear the room. 1963 01:58:30,993 --> 01:58:34,861 - Will you please state your name? - Charles Van Doren. 1964 01:58:34,964 --> 01:58:39,833 - I've gotta get in there. I've gotta get in there. - Excuse me, sir. 1965 01:58:39,935 --> 01:58:42,699 Wait a minute! Hey, you, come back here! 1966 01:58:42,805 --> 01:58:45,968 Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, 1967 01:58:46,075 --> 01:58:49,408 - the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? - I do. 1968 01:58:56,952 --> 01:58:59,785 Now, we are advised that you have... 1969 01:58:59,889 --> 01:59:03,689 a prepared statement that you would prefer to give at the outset? 1970 01:59:03,793 --> 01:59:07,661 - Yes, sir. Might I first have a glass of water? - Of course you may. 1971 01:59:18,874 --> 01:59:21,035 You may proceed. 1972 01:59:30,953 --> 01:59:36,721 I would give almost anything I have to reverse the course of my life in the last year. 1973 01:59:38,727 --> 01:59:42,458 The past doesn't change for anyone. 1974 01:59:42,565 --> 01:59:45,534 But at least I can learn from the past. 1975 01:59:46,936 --> 01:59:50,133 I've learned a lot about life. 1976 01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:52,571 I've learned a lot about myself... 1977 01:59:54,143 --> 01:59:58,079 and about the responsibilities any man has to his fellow men. 1978 01:59:59,982 --> 02:00:04,248 I've learned a lot about good and evil. They're not always what they appear to be. 1979 02:00:08,424 --> 02:00:10,892 I was involved, 1980 02:00:11,961 --> 02:00:15,055 deeply involved, in a deception. 1981 02:00:16,565 --> 02:00:18,760 I have deceived my friends. 1982 02:00:20,636 --> 02:00:23,935 And I had millions of them. 1983 02:00:30,246 --> 02:00:33,238 I lied to the American people. 1984 02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:40,445 I lied about what I knew, and then I lied about what I did not know. 1985 02:00:43,893 --> 02:00:48,830 In a sense, I was like a child who refuses to admit a fact in the hope that it'll go away. 1986 02:00:50,599 --> 02:00:53,591 Of course it did not go away. 1987 02:00:54,937 --> 02:00:56,871 I was scared, 1988 02:00:56,972 --> 02:00:59,600 scared to death. 1989 02:00:59,708 --> 02:01:02,541 I had no solid position. 1990 02:01:02,645 --> 02:01:06,240 No basis to stand on for myself. 1991 02:01:06,348 --> 02:01:11,479 There was one way out and that was... simply to tell the truth. 1992 02:01:16,158 --> 02:01:20,857 It may sound trite to you, but I've found myself again after a number of years. 1993 02:01:22,731 --> 02:01:25,700 I've been acting a role, 1994 02:01:27,770 --> 02:01:30,568 maybe all my life, of thinking I've done more, 1995 02:01:31,807 --> 02:01:35,208 accomplished more, produced more than I have. 1996 02:01:37,279 --> 02:01:40,339 I have had all the breaks. 1997 02:01:43,452 --> 02:01:49,186 I have stood on the shoulders of life, and I've never gotten down into the dirt to build, 1998 02:01:49,291 --> 02:01:52,260 to erect a foundation of my own. 1999 02:01:54,263 --> 02:01:57,391 I have flown too high on borrowed wings. 2000 02:02:00,936 --> 02:02:03,769 Everything came too easy. 2001 02:02:05,841 --> 02:02:08,742 That is why I am here today. 2002 02:02:16,385 --> 02:02:18,512 [Chairman] Mr. Van Doren, 2003 02:02:19,989 --> 02:02:23,117 I want to compliment you for that statement. 2004 02:02:24,860 --> 02:02:26,760 Thank you, sir. 2005 02:02:26,862 --> 02:02:30,696 Uh, Mr. Van Doren, I would like to join the Chairman in commending you... 2006 02:02:30,799 --> 02:02:36,260 for the soul-searching fortitude displayed in your statement. 2007 02:02:36,372 --> 02:02:39,273 - Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. - [Rogers] Mr. Van Doren, 2008 02:02:39,375 --> 02:02:41,809 I just wanna add my kudos. 2009 02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:45,710 I have listened to many witnesses, in both civil... 2010 02:02:45,814 --> 02:02:47,907 and criminal matters, 2011 02:02:48,017 --> 02:02:53,421 and yours is the most soul-searching confession I think I've heard in a long time. 2012 02:02:53,522 --> 02:02:55,547 [Van Doren] Thank you, sir. 2013 02:02:55,658 --> 02:02:57,956 [Congressman] Mr. Van Doren, 2014 02:02:58,060 --> 02:03:02,326 I'm also from New York; a different part of New York. 2015 02:03:02,431 --> 02:03:07,664 I'm happy that you've made the statement, but I cannot agree with most of my colleagues. 2016 02:03:07,770 --> 02:03:12,139 You see, I don't think an adult of your intelligence ought to be commended... 2017 02:03:12,241 --> 02:03:15,472 for simply at long last telling the truth. 2018 02:03:17,546 --> 02:03:20,242 [Scattered Applause] 2019 02:03:35,564 --> 02:03:37,623 [Gavel Pounding] 2020 02:03:41,537 --> 02:03:44,631 [Gavel Pounding] 2021 02:03:48,944 --> 02:03:53,813 If the committee has nothing to add, Mr. Van Doren, you are dismissed. 2022 02:04:02,391 --> 02:04:04,791 - [Reporters Chattering] - Charlie! Over here! 2023 02:04:11,567 --> 02:04:14,627 [Crowd Chattering] 2024 02:04:16,839 --> 02:04:18,636 Let him out, boys. 2025 02:04:26,715 --> 02:04:29,878 - [Chairman] The subcommittee will come to order. - [Clears Throat] 2026 02:04:29,985 --> 02:04:35,218 Our next witness will be Mr. Daniel Enright. 2027 02:04:35,624 --> 02:04:37,717 [Reporters Chattering] 2028 02:04:43,265 --> 02:04:47,031 - Charles, you're gonna have to answer some questions. - Okay, one at a time. 2029 02:04:47,136 --> 02:04:49,900 - How do you feel, Charlie? - Relieved. 2030 02:04:50,005 --> 02:04:52,565 ...the truth, the whole truth and nothin' but the truth, so help you God? 2031 02:04:52,674 --> 02:04:54,767 - I do. - Who helped you write that statement? 2032 02:04:54,877 --> 02:04:59,541 - Did you know you'd been fired by NBC? - No, I didn't know. 2033 02:04:59,648 --> 02:05:03,209 - What do you have to say to the young people? - Are you proud of your son? 2034 02:05:03,318 --> 02:05:06,515 - I've always been proud of Charlie. - Proud of what he did? 2035 02:05:06,622 --> 02:05:09,887 The most important thing now is for Charlie to get back to his teaching. 2036 02:05:09,992 --> 02:05:14,520 Did you know Columbia trustees are meeting right now? 2037 02:05:14,630 --> 02:05:17,656 They're going to ask for Charlie's resignation. 2038 02:05:17,766 --> 02:05:22,226 Professor Van Doren, you spent your whole career at Columbia. What's your reaction to that? 2039 02:05:23,639 --> 02:05:25,539 Prof. Van Doren? 2040 02:05:29,144 --> 02:05:31,374 Dad, go ahead with Mother. I'll meet you outside. 2041 02:05:31,480 --> 02:05:35,917 - No reaction. Charles, a few more questions. - [Reporters Chattering] 2042 02:05:36,351 --> 02:05:39,809 Did the network or sponsor bring pressure on you... 2043 02:05:39,888 --> 02:05:42,789 to bring the same contestant back week after week? 2044 02:05:42,891 --> 02:05:44,984 No, sir. 2045 02:05:45,093 --> 02:05:49,223 Did they express any approval or disapproval of any particular contestant? 2046 02:05:49,331 --> 02:05:51,322 Never. Not to me. 2047 02:05:51,433 --> 02:05:56,461 Were they aware that you were supplying the contestants with the answers? 2048 02:05:57,906 --> 02:06:01,774 No, sir. They had no knowledge whatsoever. 2049 02:06:01,877 --> 02:06:06,246 Herb Stempel. Herbie, how 'bout a picture, you and Van Doren together? 2050 02:06:06,348 --> 02:06:09,840 - No. Not now. Christ, look at the guy. - Come on, the both of you. 2051 02:06:09,952 --> 02:06:11,920 You know what the problem with you bums is? 2052 02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:14,488 You never leave a guy alone unless you're leaving him alone. 2053 02:06:14,590 --> 02:06:17,115 - Who do you blame, Charlie? - Professor, one more shot. 2054 02:06:17,226 --> 02:06:19,751 Did you feel the committee treated you fairly? 2055 02:06:19,862 --> 02:06:22,126 How'd the pressure up there compare to Twenty-One? 2056 02:06:22,231 --> 02:06:26,167 So you freely admit that you helped rig these shows? 2057 02:06:26,268 --> 02:06:28,862 - [Enright] What else could we do? - Congratulations. 2058 02:06:28,971 --> 02:06:31,667 - For what? - Van Doren. 2059 02:06:31,773 --> 02:06:35,265 I thought we were gonna get television. 2060 02:06:35,377 --> 02:06:39,609 The truth is... television is gonna get us. 2061 02:06:41,550 --> 02:06:45,384 [Congressman] And you obviously don't think you did anything wrong. 2062 02:06:45,487 --> 02:06:49,446 [Enright] Yes, we did one thing wrong. We were too successful. 2063 02:06:49,558 --> 02:06:51,492 [Congressman] You were too successful. 2064 02:06:51,593 --> 02:06:54,960 [Enright] Those advertising dollars came from somewhere. 2065 02:06:55,063 --> 02:06:58,624 Why do you think the newspapers and magazines are making such a big thing about this? 2066 02:06:58,734 --> 02:07:01,134 [Chairman] Mr. Enright, 2067 02:07:01,236 --> 02:07:04,069 you make it sound like you are the victim here. 2068 02:07:04,172 --> 02:07:06,766 [Enright] The sponsor makes out, the network makes out, 2069 02:07:06,875 --> 02:07:11,972 the contestants see money they would never see in a lifetime and the public is entertained. 2070 02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:15,277 So who gets hurt? 2071 02:07:21,757 --> 02:07:23,987 [Chairman] Mr. Freedman, 2072 02:07:24,092 --> 02:07:28,495 you freely admit that you helped rig these shows? 2073 02:07:28,597 --> 02:07:33,296 - [Freedman] Yes, sir. - Yes, sir? That's it? 2074 02:07:33,402 --> 02:07:36,166 [Freedman] Well, sir, I don't know what else to say. 2075 02:07:36,271 --> 02:07:40,469 Give the public what they want. [Chuckles] It's like your business. 2076 02:07:40,575 --> 02:07:45,672 [Chairman] Do you see a need for government regulation in this area? 2077 02:07:45,781 --> 02:07:49,080 You know, it's not like the quiz shows are a public utility, sir. 2078 02:07:49,184 --> 02:07:51,345 It's entertainment. 2079 02:07:51,453 --> 02:07:53,887 We're not exactly hardened criminals here. 2080 02:07:53,989 --> 02:07:57,015 [Chuckles] We're, we're in show business. 2081 02:08:40,898 --> 02:08:42,763 See the shark with 2082 02:08:44,568 --> 02:08:48,197 Teeth like razors 2083 02:08:48,305 --> 02:08:51,866 You can read his 2084 02:08:51,976 --> 02:08:55,639 Open face 2085 02:08:55,746 --> 02:08:57,714 And Macheath 2086 02:08:57,815 --> 02:09:01,842 He's got a knife, but 2087 02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:06,453 Not in such 2088 02:09:06,557 --> 02:09:10,186 An obvious place 2089 02:09:10,294 --> 02:09:14,094 On a beautiful 2090 02:09:14,198 --> 02:09:17,690 Blue Sunday 2091 02:09:17,801 --> 02:09:20,361 See the corpse 2092 02:09:20,471 --> 02:09:24,669 Stretched in the Strand 2093 02:09:24,775 --> 02:09:28,711 See a man dodge 2094 02:09:28,812 --> 02:09:32,111 Round the corner 2095 02:09:32,216 --> 02:09:35,652 Mackie's friends will 2096 02:09:35,753 --> 02:09:39,655 Understand 2097 02:09:39,757 --> 02:09:42,749 Mr. Meier 2098 02:09:42,860 --> 02:09:46,352 Reported missing 2099 02:09:46,463 --> 02:09:49,899 Like so many 2100 02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,492 Wealthy men 2101 02:09:53,604 --> 02:09:56,072 Mack the Knife 2102 02:09:56,173 --> 02:10:00,667 Acquired his cash box 2103 02:10:00,778 --> 02:10:04,077 God alone knows 2104 02:10:04,181 --> 02:10:08,049 How or when 2105 02:10:08,152 --> 02:10:10,746 Jenny Towler 2106 02:10:10,854 --> 02:10:14,881 She turned up lately 2107 02:10:14,992 --> 02:10:17,790 With a knife stuck 2108 02:10:17,895 --> 02:10:21,797 Through her breast 2109 02:10:21,899 --> 02:10:23,890 While Macheath 2110 02:10:24,001 --> 02:10:28,267 He walks the Embankment 2111 02:10:28,372 --> 02:10:31,830 Nonchalantly 2112 02:10:31,942 --> 02:10:35,571 Unimpressed 2113 02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:38,671 And the ghastly 2114 02:10:38,782 --> 02:10:42,183 Fire in Soho 2115 02:10:42,286 --> 02:10:45,653 Seven children 2116 02:10:45,756 --> 02:10:48,953 At a go 2117 02:10:49,059 --> 02:10:52,392 In the crowd stands 2118 02:10:52,496 --> 02:10:55,294 Mack the Knife, but 2119 02:10:55,399 --> 02:10:58,562 He isn't asked 2120 02:10:58,669 --> 02:11:02,969 He doesn't know 2121 02:11:03,073 --> 02:11:06,236 And the child-bride 2122 02:11:06,343 --> 02:11:09,744 In her nightgown 2123 02:11:09,847 --> 02:11:12,577 Whose assailant's 2124 02:11:12,683 --> 02:11:16,380 Still at large 2125 02:11:16,487 --> 02:11:19,718 Violated 2126 02:11:19,823 --> 02:11:22,951 In her slumbers 2127 02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:26,086 Mackie, how much 2128 02:11:26,196 --> 02:11:30,064 Did you charge 2129 02:11:30,167 --> 02:11:33,432 Yes, the child-bride 2130 02:11:33,537 --> 02:11:36,734 In her nightgown 2131 02:11:36,840 --> 02:11:39,570 Her assailant's 2132 02:11:39,677 --> 02:11:43,477 Still at large 2133 02:11:43,580 --> 02:11:46,640 Violated 2134 02:11:46,750 --> 02:11:50,151 In her slumbers 2135 02:11:50,254 --> 02:11:53,451 Mackie, how much 2136 02:11:53,557 --> 02:11:57,118 Did you charge 2137 02:11:57,227 --> 02:12:00,663 Mackie, how much did you charge 2138 02:12:00,764 --> 02:12:03,892 How much did you charge 2139 02:12:04,001 --> 02:12:07,334 How much did you charge 2140 02:12:07,438 --> 02:12:11,306 How much did you charge 2141 02:12:11,408 --> 02:12:16,175 How much did you charge