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She was
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a beautiful little girl.
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Very bright and very lively.
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She smiled brightly at me.
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And as she smiled,
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there were definite dimples
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in both cheeks.
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My heart went out to her.
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I walked up to her,
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put my arm around her
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and drew her close to me,
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and held her tight.
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She looked up at me,
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her eyes beaming.
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And I knew that I had found
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the little girl
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that I was searching for.
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Jan had probably the most
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ebullient personality
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of any child I had ever known.
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She was just so outgoing.
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She was our first,
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and she was a firecracker.
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Jan was kind of my champion.
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I was very shy as a child
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and she was not.
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My earliest childhood
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memories would be with
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my two sisters, Karen and Susan.
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They're younger than I am
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by two years each.
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Karen's the middle child.
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Susan's the baby.
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And I was, you know, definitely
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the big sister, the bossy one.
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My sisters and I, really--
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we were really good friends.
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I mean, we played together.
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We had a good just--
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what I consider
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normal childhood.
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Just real free and easy.
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We lived in Pocatello, Idaho.
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We had that type of
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a neighborhood
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that you never locked
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your doors.
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Always open.
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You could trust everyone
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in the neighborhood.
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My mom and dad were, you know,
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very kind of traditional.
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Just really sweet parents.
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My mom was at home.
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I always remember coming home
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after school,
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my mom would be ironing.
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My father's a florist. Owned
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a flower shop for 40 years.
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I was completely loved.
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I was completely secure.
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I mean, we were listened to.
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And I think that was crucial
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for all of us surviving
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what we did.
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I met Bob Berchtold June 1972.
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I was the chorister
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at our church,
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and was leading the music
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one Sunday
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and looked down and saw a family
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that I didn't know.
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Mary Ann had met them first,
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and she says:
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"Oh, I met the nicest family."
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They had five children
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and some of them were
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the age of our daughters.
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And she was telling me
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all about them,
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and how affable
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and friendly he was.
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He had such an effervescent,
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wonderful personality.
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We became very good friends.
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And he was in business and we
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talked about business matters,
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and it just sort of clicked.
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We had things in common.
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I was in business,
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I had a family. He had a family.
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One of the first things
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that I remember,
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we came home from church
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and there was
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this beautiful fruit basket.
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And there was
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a little card on it.
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And it said,
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"We sure enjoy your family.
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The Berchtolds."
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I was personally thrilled.
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"My word,
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this is a pretty sharp guy."
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My first impression when I saw
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Berchtold and his wife Gail,
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I thought of them
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not quite matching
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because she was the quiet one.
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But she and I became
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really quite close friends.
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Everybody had a best friend.
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You know, between the Brobergs
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and the Berchtold family,
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there was a best friend
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for everyone.
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We had some of
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our best family times
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when we were
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with the Berchtold family.
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Berchtold would pick
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us up in the morning,
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and we would get in the car,
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and we would all shout together:
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"It's gonna be a great day!"
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And that's how we would
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start our mornings.
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I don't remember
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who came up with the idea,
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but we'd started to call him B.
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Pretty much every day,
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he would come by
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at night and talk
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to my parents,
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and he was so engaged
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with the kids, too.
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I mean, he really was fun, and
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he wanted to swing us around
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and put a puzzle together and--
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You know, I mean,
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he was the fun dad.
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But definitely his attentions
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were definitely on Jan.
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Brother B, he used to call me
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all kinds of names.
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But really the only one that
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I really remember was Dolly.
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A splattering of
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clouds were set on fire
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by the rays of the setting sun.
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I looked at my Dolly.
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Her face was aglow.
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She reached out and took
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my hand and then said:
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"I love you."
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I returned:
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"I love you, too, beautiful."
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I turned to her, put my arms
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around her and pulled her
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close to me and said:
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"Dolly, you've brought
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a special light into my life."
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I love you more
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than words can tell.
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She looked up at me,
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I bent over, and we kissed.
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No man could love
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any woman more.
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He did give special
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attention to Jan
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that annoyed both Bob and I.
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His fascination with Jan
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was a little disturbing.
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B was like
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a second father to me.
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I completely loved him,
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completely trusted him,
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and felt extremely safe.
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I felt like I was
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one of his children.
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Berchtold had called
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me earlier in the day and said:
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"I wanna take Jan out
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horseback riding
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down in American Falls."
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Berchtold comes driving up
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to my house and said:
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"Okay, I'm ready to take you,
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Jan." She came in the back door.
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I was like:
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"Oh, yes! Yes! Yes! I wanna go!
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I wanna go!"
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And my mom was like:
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"It's a school night,
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and you have piano,
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and I think we should try
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for a different day."
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"Well,
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I guess I could pick her up
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from her piano lesson and
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just take her straight out."
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And I begged my mother:
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"Please, yes. Let me go."
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"You better be back
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before Bob gets home
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for dinner."
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"I'll have her back.
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I'll have her back."
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B picked me up
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from my piano lesson,
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"I brought
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your allergy pills."
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You know,
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"You should take one of those
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before we go to the horses."
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Downed that,
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and off we went.
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I must have passed out
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pretty quickly,
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because I have no recollection
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of getting to the stables.
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No recollection of the drive.
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No recollection of him.
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When she didn't come home,
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I was a little nervous,
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anxious.
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Maybe they-- they broke down.
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Around nine o'clock at night,
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Berchtold's wife Gail
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came over worried.
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"Maybe I should
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call the state police."
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"Oh, don't do anything.
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I'm sure he'll be coming
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any minute, any minute."
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And so we waited.
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That was Thursday that
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they went horseback riding.
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We had Friday--
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didn't call anybody.
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Didn't want to upset Gail.
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And this went on
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for about two days.
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"Mary Ann,
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we better get the law involved.
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So we can--
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We need some help to find them."
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On Saturday morning,
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I dialed the FBI.
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They said the office
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is closed for the weekend.
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If you have an emergency,
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call this office
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in Butte, Montana.
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I didn't follow through,
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because I thought
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I don't wanna get all these
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people all worked up
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over nothing.
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And, so, we waited.
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Another night came and went,
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and then it was Sunday.
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"Well, let's just-- if they're
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not back by Sunday, we'll call."
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I got the call in my FBI
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office in Pocatello, Idaho.
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I had been an agent
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for six, seven years
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when this kidnapping
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took place.
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My partner and I left
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the office right away,
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went over to
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the Brobergs' house,
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and we talked to them
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for several hours.
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Robert Berchtold was a close
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friend of theirs, a neighbor.
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He was a Pocatello businessman,
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a member of their LDS faith,
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and a pillar in the community.
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He had lots of friends.
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They didn't suspect
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any type of foul play,
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even though it was five days.
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I don't think
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he's kidnapped her.
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He's just gone someplace
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with her.
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And he had to drill
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that into our minds.
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"He kidnapped her.
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She's your daughter.
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She's gone."
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We went over to interview
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Gail Berchtold,
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and she told us that they had
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a motor home in a storage unit.
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We went out there
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and the motor home was gone.
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I realized that the FBI
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was gonna have to conduct
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a thorough investigation
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to locate her,
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'cause I believed at that time
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she was kidnapped.
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Power County Sheriff's office.
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This is Don Glenn.
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This is dispatch.
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We got a call reporting
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an abandoned Ford vehicle
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out on registered
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Rock State Park.
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The keys were inside
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the vehicle.
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The side door on the driver's
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side was broken out.
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There was a small amount
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of blood on the inside
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of the driver's door.
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They found Bob Berchtold's car
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00:10:37,095 --> 00:10:38,430
with blood on the window.
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The window was broken
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out from the inside out.
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Of somebody had reached
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in there to get 'em,
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they'd be outside the car
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and break
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the window into the car.
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He left a lot of blood,
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so he could have an excuse
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that somebody kidnapped them.
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We found tire tracks,
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like a motor home,
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and a set of footprints.
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Which leads me to believe
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00:11:02,703 --> 00:11:04,831
he probably carried Jan
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and put her in the motor home.
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00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:10,211
We knew Berchtold had Jan, but
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00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:10,211
we didn't know where they were.
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It was a nationwide
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00:11:11,212 --> 00:11:16,217
search. We sent out APBs
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00:11:11,212 --> 00:11:16,217
to all law enforcement
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00:11:16,259 --> 00:11:20,930
throughout the country,
345
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even border security
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for Mexico and Canada.
347
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This went on for weeks.
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There was no sign of anything.
349
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It was like finding a needle
350
00:11:26,102 --> 00:11:30,524
in a haystack.
351
00:11:30,565 --> 00:11:32,817
You didn't know where to turn
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00:11:30,565 --> 00:11:32,817
or where to go.
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00:11:32,859 --> 00:11:34,486
You don't know what to do.
354
00:11:34,528 --> 00:11:35,778
You wanna do something,
355
00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:38,072
and there's nothing you can do.
356
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I dealt with it
357
00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:42,701
by having to know every step
358
00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:42,701
of what was going on.
359
00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:46,289
I tried to hear everything.
360
00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:46,289
I was one of those
361
00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:46,289
that stood behind the door
362
00:11:46,331 --> 00:11:49,334
when the FBI agent was in
363
00:11:46,331 --> 00:11:49,334
the other room with my parents.
364
00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:51,503
One day,
365
00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:51,503
I walked in the house--
366
00:11:51,545 --> 00:11:54,172
Jan's bedroom was in the back
367
00:11:51,545 --> 00:11:54,172
of the house in the basement.
368
00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:57,925
I walked into her room
369
00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:57,925
and saw my dad...
370
00:11:58,801 --> 00:12:02,180
lying on her bed
371
00:11:58,801 --> 00:12:02,180
and he was sobbing.
372
00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:06,560
And I don't remember
373
00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:06,560
my dad, uhm, sobbing
374
00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:09,145
or really crying very much,
375
00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:12,731
even though
376
00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:12,731
he's an emotional person.
377
00:12:12,773 --> 00:12:14,942
I think that was the first time
378
00:12:12,773 --> 00:12:14,942
I really realized
379
00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:18,071
that something really bad
380
00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:18,071
was going on.
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00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,367
For those first
382
00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,367
about three weeks,
383
00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:25,370
there was so many people
384
00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:25,370
that came by.
385
00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:30,041
Friends and neighbors, and
386
00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:30,041
everyone in the neighborhood
387
00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:30,041
just were there.
388
00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,628
So many of them couldn't
389
00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,628
believe. They had seen this man.
390
00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,628
They had talked to this man.
391
00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:36,339
He was part of their--
392
00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:36,339
their lives, too.
393
00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:39,593
Some of them said:
394
00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:39,593
"He wouldn't hurt her.
395
00:12:39,634 --> 00:12:41,135
He would not hurt her."
396
00:12:41,177 --> 00:12:43,471
And I believed that.
397
00:12:41,177 --> 00:12:43,471
He would not hurt her.
398
00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:48,602
And we love everyone
399
00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:48,602
in that community,
400
00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:51,770
because they were trying
401
00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:51,770
to help us get through.
402
00:12:51,812 --> 00:12:53,356
They loved Jan.
403
00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,942
They were trying
404
00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,942
to give us support
405
00:12:55,983 --> 00:12:59,778
"We just know
406
00:12:55,983 --> 00:12:59,778
she'll get back okay."
407
00:12:59,820 --> 00:13:01,573
It was a tender time.
408
00:13:01,615 --> 00:13:03,157
It was hard.
409
00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:07,954
It was the agony
410
00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:07,954
of going to bed every night
411
00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:11,541
and trying to sleep and saying,
412
00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:11,541
"Where is she? Is she okay?"
413
00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:18,423
As our investigation continued,
414
00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:22,469
I talked to many people
415
00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:22,469
in Pocatello that knew him
416
00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:24,429
and found out
417
00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:24,429
that Bob Berchtold
418
00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,306
had an infatuation
419
00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,306
for young girls.
420
00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:32,186
My brother was
421
00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:32,186
always a sexual pervert.
422
00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:35,106
He always did like
423
00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:35,106
his little girls.
424
00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:38,443
I guess he had
425
00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:38,443
a need to fulfill
426
00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:40,570
as a pedophile,
427
00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:40,570
'cause he was a pedophile,
428
00:13:40,612 --> 00:13:41,655
and I knew that.
429
00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:46,451
One time
430
00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:46,451
mom and dad went somewhere,
431
00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:48,369
my brother started messing
432
00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:48,369
with my sister.
433
00:13:48,411 --> 00:13:51,247
But, see, they weren't half
434
00:13:48,411 --> 00:13:51,247
brother and sister.
435
00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:55,960
She'd have been six,
436
00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:55,960
and he'd have been 12 or 13.
437
00:13:57,671 --> 00:14:01,048
This was the first pedophile
438
00:13:57,671 --> 00:14:01,048
case I'd ever run across.
439
00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,217
I couldn't comprehend it
440
00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,217
at first.
441
00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:06,053
The FBI taught me
442
00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:06,053
"stranger danger".
443
00:14:06,095 --> 00:14:07,806
We'd never call 'em
444
00:14:06,095 --> 00:14:07,806
pedophiles.
445
00:14:07,846 --> 00:14:11,518
I'm sure it was
446
00:14:07,846 --> 00:14:11,518
in the dictionary someplace.
447
00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,394
But now I'm hearing
448
00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,394
these things
449
00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:16,897
about Bob Berchtold
450
00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:16,897
loving little kids.
451
00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:20,360
I mean, all these things are
452
00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:20,360
just making my skin crawl.
453
00:14:21,486 --> 00:14:24,698
He tried to get to two other
454
00:14:21,486 --> 00:14:24,698
little girls in Pocatello
455
00:14:24,739 --> 00:14:27,492
before their parents
456
00:14:24,739 --> 00:14:27,492
cut him off,
457
00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,327
and then he finally found
458
00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,327
Jan Broberg.
459
00:14:30,495 --> 00:14:33,289
After that,
460
00:14:30,495 --> 00:14:33,289
his number one goal
461
00:14:33,331 --> 00:14:36,292
was to seduce Jan Broberg.
462
00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:40,880
Robert Berchtold and
463
00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:40,880
the Brobergs became friends,
464
00:14:40,921 --> 00:14:43,299
and they trusted each other,
465
00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:45,926
and that's just the way
466
00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:45,926
Bob Berchtold wanted it.
467
00:14:47,178 --> 00:14:50,515
Part of his behavior pattern
468
00:14:47,178 --> 00:14:50,515
is destroying everything
469
00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:54,561
that's in his way
470
00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:54,561
to get to the little girl,
471
00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:54,561
to get to Jan.
472
00:14:55,978 --> 00:14:58,314
So, he's separating her
473
00:14:55,978 --> 00:14:58,314
from her family
474
00:14:58,356 --> 00:14:59,899
as fast as he can.
475
00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,487
Jan and I shared a room
476
00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,487
downstairs,
477
00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:06,155
and it was a big room.
478
00:15:08,115 --> 00:15:11,911
You know, we kind of said:
479
00:15:08,115 --> 00:15:11,911
"Oh, maybe someday
480
00:15:08,115 --> 00:15:11,911
we'll make us each a bedroom."
481
00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:15,582
Berchtold came up
482
00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:15,582
with this idea one time,
483
00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:15,582
that we were getting older
484
00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:17,375
and wouldn't we like
485
00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:17,375
to have our own bedrooms?
486
00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,002
And he was a handyman
487
00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,002
and owned a furniture store,
488
00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:23,757
and I do remember him
489
00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:23,757
building that wall,
490
00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:26,718
and putting a wall
491
00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:26,718
between the two rooms.
492
00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:29,470
It gave him an excuse
493
00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:29,470
to be there.
494
00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:34,308
And to separate Jan
495
00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:34,308
from me, yeah.
496
00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:39,230
He had a way
497
00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:39,230
of flattering you,
498
00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:40,981
doing things for you,
499
00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:44,026
and then taking advantage
500
00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:44,026
of the situation
501
00:15:44,068 --> 00:15:46,821
of trust that--
502
00:15:44,068 --> 00:15:46,821
that he put you in.
503
00:15:47,906 --> 00:15:50,575
We were invited to go on
504
00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:53,578
a boating trip
505
00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:53,578
with Berchtold.
506
00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:57,039
He was not just inviting us,
507
00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:57,039
but he had invited Jan.
508
00:15:58,416 --> 00:16:03,003
I just suspected there was
509
00:15:58,416 --> 00:16:03,003
something amiss at that outing.
510
00:16:04,422 --> 00:16:06,716
I said:
511
00:16:04,422 --> 00:16:06,716
"That's the last time
512
00:16:06,758 --> 00:16:08,927
that I will do anything
513
00:16:06,758 --> 00:16:08,927
with the Berchtolds.
514
00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:11,053
I have no use for that."
515
00:16:14,390 --> 00:16:17,184
We used to do, like,
516
00:16:14,390 --> 00:16:17,184
sleepovers all the time.
517
00:16:18,185 --> 00:16:20,104
We went to
518
00:16:18,185 --> 00:16:20,104
the Berchtolds' house.
519
00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:22,607
They had a gigantic
520
00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:22,607
trampoline in the backyard.
521
00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,317
And so we would all sleep out
522
00:16:24,358 --> 00:16:25,985
under the stars
523
00:16:24,358 --> 00:16:25,985
on the trampoline.
524
00:16:27,487 --> 00:16:30,698
And one night,
525
00:16:27,487 --> 00:16:30,698
I remember waking up
526
00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:36,704
and being aware that my panties
527
00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:36,704
were down around my ankles,
528
00:16:36,746 --> 00:16:38,623
and being scared.
529
00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:42,627
Berchtold was laying by me
530
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,588
and he definitely had
531
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,588
his hands on me.
532
00:16:45,630 --> 00:16:48,007
He said I was tossing
533
00:16:45,630 --> 00:16:48,007
and turning a lot,
534
00:16:48,048 --> 00:16:52,011
and that I must have just,
535
00:16:48,048 --> 00:16:52,011
you know, gotten uncomfortable
536
00:16:52,052 --> 00:16:55,974
and--
537
00:16:52,052 --> 00:16:55,974
and taken my panties down.
538
00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:59,310
It felt like it was plausible,
539
00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:59,310
because what was not plausible
540
00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:04,440
was that this person could've
541
00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:04,440
done anything to harm me.
542
00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:13,658
Jan had been on a trip
543
00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:13,658
with the Berchtolds before
544
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,035
when this whole trip
545
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,035
to Seattle came up.
546
00:17:17,328 --> 00:17:20,039
And when they came back, and he
547
00:17:17,328 --> 00:17:20,039
had all these weird stories
548
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,166
about all this stuff
549
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,166
that had happened with Jan.
550
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:25,795
And the story that he told us
551
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:25,795
was that sitting at dinner,
552
00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:29,423
she just all of a sudden
553
00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:29,423
started to rock back and forth
554
00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:32,051
and started saying
555
00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:32,051
strange things.
556
00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:36,055
And, you know, everybody's
557
00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:36,055
"Jan, are you okay?"
558
00:17:36,096 --> 00:17:39,266
"I better
559
00:17:36,096 --> 00:17:39,266
take her back to the room
560
00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:41,519
because there is something
561
00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:41,519
wrong with this child."
562
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:46,024
I remember being carried
563
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:46,024
into the motel,
564
00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:51,237
and I was groggy and in and out
565
00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:51,237
of consciousness.
566
00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:54,281
Jan had said
567
00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:54,281
that she had woken up
568
00:17:55,742 --> 00:17:57,117
and saw him naked.
569
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,711
Jan Broberg
570
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,711
and Robert Berchtold
571
00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:09,005
had an unnatural relationship.
572
00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:12,884
Berchtold targeted Jan
573
00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:14,844
and he targeted the parents.
574
00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:18,472
He knew that he had to destroy
575
00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:18,472
Mary Ann and Bob Broberg
576
00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:19,807
to get to Jan.
577
00:18:20,683 --> 00:18:22,476
And they fell
578
00:18:20,683 --> 00:18:22,476
right into a trap.
579
00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:24,478
It's like a mouse
580
00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:24,478
going into a trap.
581
00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,105
They never even saw it coming.
582
00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:27,732
Never.
583
00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:34,948
Berchtold called me on the phone
584
00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:38,409
from his furniture store,
585
00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:38,409
"Mary Ann,
586
00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:42,121
I can't get out for lunch.
587
00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:42,121
Why don't you bring me
588
00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:42,121
down a sandwich?"
589
00:18:42,162 --> 00:18:43,205
"Okay."
590
00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,083
And I started with that,
591
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:48,335
taking a lunch down on
592
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:48,335
occasions when he'd call and...
593
00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:50,588
He was a new face in town,
594
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:54,008
and a new person
595
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:54,008
that had a great personality.
596
00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:57,637
And had some of the--
597
00:18:57,678 --> 00:19:01,682
the charisma
598
00:18:57,678 --> 00:19:01,682
that Bob didn't possess.
599
00:19:03,059 --> 00:19:06,980
Berchtold began saying
600
00:19:03,059 --> 00:19:06,980
the things to me
601
00:19:07,021 --> 00:19:09,398
that were exciting to hear.
602
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,401
He said, "You have a beautiful
603
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,401
body. And those legs..."
604
00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:16,697
You know? And I felt this
605
00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:16,697
fluttering inside of me.
606
00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:19,951
He could give me a great--
607
00:19:22,078 --> 00:19:24,622
a great feeling about myself.
608
00:19:26,206 --> 00:19:27,667
I was attracted to him.
609
00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:34,381
That was when it began,
610
00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:34,381
and I tried to ignore it,
611
00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:36,676
but I remember the way
612
00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:36,676
it made me feel.
613
00:19:36,717 --> 00:19:38,385
"Oh, my.
614
00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:40,054
I can't feel this way
615
00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:40,054
about him."
616
00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:44,684
I think the thing
617
00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:44,684
that solidified it
618
00:19:44,725 --> 00:19:48,771
was when we went to a church
619
00:19:44,725 --> 00:19:48,771
function in Logan, Utah.
620
00:19:49,897 --> 00:19:54,443
While we were there,
621
00:19:49,897 --> 00:19:54,443
we took a ride up
622
00:19:49,897 --> 00:19:54,443
into the mountains.
623
00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:59,615
Before we left,
624
00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:59,615
we got a little too cozy.
625
00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:02,869
Started kiss--
626
00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:02,869
kissing and hugging,
627
00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:04,871
and he touched my breasts
628
00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:08,290
and things got a little
629
00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:08,290
carried away.
630
00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,626
Stayed there longer
631
00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,626
than we should,
632
00:20:10,668 --> 00:20:13,212
but nothing beyond that.
633
00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:16,841
Went back home
634
00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:16,841
and tried to be calm
635
00:20:16,883 --> 00:20:18,801
and enjoy our lives.
636
00:20:19,677 --> 00:20:21,095
I thought about it every day.
637
00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:22,763
A lot.
638
00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:26,059
I thought about that feeling
639
00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:26,059
and that touch.
640
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:30,771
I'd been married for, what,
641
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:30,771
12, 13 years by then.
642
00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:34,901
And it was an excitement,
643
00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:34,901
an excitement to me.
644
00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:42,533
Mr. Berchtold was
645
00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:42,533
very knowledgeable
646
00:20:42,575 --> 00:20:45,536
in the sexual field,
647
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:51,167
but he did not have
648
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:51,167
a good relationship
649
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:51,167
with his wife sexually.
650
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,880
One day, he came in the store
651
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,880
and I could tell
652
00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:57,590
that he was
653
00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:57,590
extremely disturbed.
654
00:20:58,549 --> 00:21:00,509
"Are you free?
655
00:20:58,549 --> 00:21:00,509
Let's go for a ride."
656
00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:09,643
"I--
657
00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:09,643
I cannot stand my wife
658
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,645
and I--
659
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,645
I need to have sex."
660
00:21:14,941 --> 00:21:18,611
I could see that he--
661
00:21:14,941 --> 00:21:18,611
he was sexually aroused.
662
00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:23,866
"Oh...
663
00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:23,866
could you give me some relief?"
664
00:21:25,576 --> 00:21:29,705
We were laughing. And he said:
665
00:21:25,576 --> 00:21:29,705
"Oh, Bob, it's just kid's stuff,
666
00:21:29,747 --> 00:21:32,374
and I've gotta have relief."
667
00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:36,129
So, I was dumb enough
668
00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:40,299
to reach over and relieve--
669
00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:42,676
relieve him in an act
670
00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:42,676
of masturbation.
671
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,183
I did the worst thing
672
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,183
I've ever done,
673
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:51,811
as far as...
674
00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:08,035
breaking the trust
675
00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:08,035
and the fidelity
676
00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:09,912
that I had with my wife.
677
00:22:41,401 --> 00:22:44,030
The guy played 'em perfectly.
678
00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:48,993
He wanted to tear down
679
00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:48,993
the defenses of the Brobergs.
680
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,745
He wanted to get them
681
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,745
out of the way.
682
00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:54,165
It's kind of like
683
00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:54,165
you have dominoes.
684
00:22:54,207 --> 00:22:56,583
On one end is Bob Berchtold.
685
00:22:56,625 --> 00:23:00,378
On the fourth domino
686
00:22:56,625 --> 00:23:00,378
is Jan Broberg.
687
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:03,590
In the middle
688
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:03,590
is Mary Ann and Bob.
689
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:06,593
And you just might as well
690
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:06,593
knock those dominoes over.
691
00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:09,429
And so you have
692
00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:09,429
Berchtold and Jan
693
00:23:09,471 --> 00:23:11,224
and nobody in-between.
694
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:26,364
The LDS Church decided
695
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:26,364
that they would counsel him,
696
00:23:26,404 --> 00:23:29,325
and he went to a counselor
697
00:23:26,404 --> 00:23:29,325
in Idaho Falls.
698
00:23:29,367 --> 00:23:32,370
That man
699
00:23:29,367 --> 00:23:32,370
told our investigators
700
00:23:32,410 --> 00:23:34,412
that he had also gone
701
00:23:32,410 --> 00:23:34,412
to California
702
00:23:34,454 --> 00:23:37,624
to go to a clinical
703
00:23:34,454 --> 00:23:37,624
psychologist
704
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:41,170
who would help him overcome
705
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:41,170
this obsession with Jan.
706
00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:43,589
When he came home,
707
00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:43,589
he had to tell Bob and I
708
00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,299
that he was being treated
709
00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:49,095
for the abuse he suffered
710
00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:49,095
as a child.
711
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,514
"Now, Bob,
712
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,514
this will probably floor you.
713
00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:56,936
I had sex with an aunt
714
00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:56,936
when I was four years old."
715
00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:59,188
It just blew my mind.
716
00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:02,566
He said to me:
717
00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:02,566
"Bob, part of my therapy
718
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:07,529
is to just spend some time
719
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:07,529
alone with your daughters.
720
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:07,529
Would you mind?"
721
00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:11,158
"Well, no."
722
00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:11,158
And he said, "You can call
723
00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:11,158
the doctor and ask him
724
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,701
to explain it to you
725
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,701
if you want to."
726
00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:15,246
"I trust you."
727
00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:18,456
After Jan had gone to bed,
728
00:24:18,498 --> 00:24:21,043
he just laid down by her.
729
00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:26,132
Neither one of us were
730
00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:26,132
comfortable with him doing it,
731
00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:27,425
but it was part of his therapy.
732
00:24:32,263 --> 00:24:34,348
Listen for the waves
733
00:24:32,263 --> 00:24:34,348
in the background,
734
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:36,683
and she starts caressing you
735
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:36,683
a little faster now,
736
00:24:36,725 --> 00:24:38,769
and you can feel it
737
00:24:36,725 --> 00:24:38,769
and it feels so good.
738
00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:40,478
Feels so good.
739
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,231
She's caressing you
740
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,231
very rapidly now,
741
00:24:42,273 --> 00:24:44,233
and you can feel it
742
00:24:42,273 --> 00:24:44,233
very rapidly.
743
00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:45,818
It feels good.
744
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:48,654
And you listen for the waves.
745
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,906
You feel the warm,
746
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,906
soft blanket,
747
00:24:50,948 --> 00:24:52,992
and the blanket smells good.
748
00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:56,954
They were duped
749
00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:56,954
in a terrible, terrible way.
750
00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:58,664
Our investigation determined
751
00:24:58,705 --> 00:25:01,292
that they guy was not
752
00:24:58,705 --> 00:25:01,292
a licensed psychologist.
753
00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,336
He had had
754
00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,336
his license revoked.
755
00:25:04,295 --> 00:25:08,341
And he is the one that gave
756
00:25:04,295 --> 00:25:08,341
Berchtold these weird tapes
757
00:25:08,382 --> 00:25:11,551
to play as he lay
758
00:25:08,382 --> 00:25:11,551
with her at night.
759
00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:14,847
He was molesting her.
760
00:25:17,099 --> 00:25:18,809
He would always give
761
00:25:17,099 --> 00:25:18,809
her vitamins
762
00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:21,770
and stuff for her allergies,
763
00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:21,770
when in fact
764
00:25:21,812 --> 00:25:24,357
we determined later
765
00:25:21,812 --> 00:25:24,357
through our investigation
766
00:25:24,398 --> 00:25:26,608
that he was giving her
767
00:25:24,398 --> 00:25:26,608
sleeping pills
768
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,777
to make his job a lot easier.
769
00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:34,616
I never had--
770
00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:34,616
I never had an inkling
771
00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:39,246
that he had
772
00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:39,246
sexual designs on Jan.
773
00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:42,958
We weren't-- we weren't
774
00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:42,958
really sure even then
775
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,671
what a child molester was,
776
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,671
you know?
777
00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:51,509
And-- oh, I tell you,
778
00:25:51,549 --> 00:25:53,344
I don't know how
779
00:25:51,549 --> 00:25:53,344
we could've been so gullible
780
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:57,390
when there were
781
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:57,390
so many red flags.
782
00:25:58,849 --> 00:26:00,851
But I didn't see
783
00:25:58,849 --> 00:26:00,851
the red flags.
784
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:06,606
I found the Brobergs
785
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:06,606
to be naive.
786
00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:09,402
They don't know
787
00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:09,402
things like that happen.
788
00:26:09,443 --> 00:26:12,446
And it was the most
789
00:26:09,443 --> 00:26:12,446
difficult thing--
790
00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:15,366
This was the most difficult case
791
00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:15,366
I've ever had in my life.
792
00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:51,110
♪ We used to fly... ♪
793
00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:55,613
I woke up.
794
00:26:55,655 --> 00:26:57,116
It was dark.
795
00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:00,911
I had the sensation
796
00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:00,911
that I was moving,
797
00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:04,373
but I was laying on a bed.
798
00:27:05,623 --> 00:27:10,212
My wrists and my ankles
799
00:27:05,623 --> 00:27:10,212
both had straps around them.
800
00:27:10,254 --> 00:27:12,131
I couldn't move.
801
00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:16,176
This monotone voice
802
00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:16,176
kept talking in my ear.
803
00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:19,138
Female companion...
804
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:22,640
It looked like a little
805
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:22,640
white intercom-looking box
806
00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:27,438
that I could see
807
00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:27,438
to the side of my pillow.
808
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,649
It is time for
809
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,649
your mission to begin.
810
00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:35,070
And I immediately thought
811
00:27:35,112 --> 00:27:37,323
I'd been kidnapped by a UFO.
812
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:44,497
I was in and out of sleep,
813
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:44,497
a really deep sleep.
814
00:27:44,538 --> 00:27:47,333
Female companion...
815
00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:49,418
I woke up again.
816
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:50,877
The restraints were off.
817
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,673
We are called
818
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,673
Zeta and Zethra.
819
00:27:55,715 --> 00:27:58,344
I had been informed
820
00:27:55,715 --> 00:27:58,344
by the aliens,
821
00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:00,638
Zeta and Zethra were
822
00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:00,638
their names,
823
00:28:00,678 --> 00:28:04,850
that I actually was part alien.
824
00:28:04,891 --> 00:28:08,895
My mother was
825
00:28:04,891 --> 00:28:08,895
my biological mother,
826
00:28:08,937 --> 00:28:13,526
but my father wasn't actually
827
00:28:08,937 --> 00:28:13,526
my biological father.
828
00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:18,780
I had a father
829
00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:18,780
from this alien planet.
830
00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:20,324
I was in the middle
831
00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:20,324
of a Christmas story
832
00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:22,326
that I'd heard every year
833
00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:22,326
since I was a child.
834
00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:25,538
You know, that-- you know,
835
00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:25,538
Joseph was like my dad.
836
00:28:25,579 --> 00:28:27,331
You know,
837
00:28:25,579 --> 00:28:27,331
he took care of Jesus,
838
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,876
but really the father of Jesus
839
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,876
was God the Father.
840
00:28:30,917 --> 00:28:35,214
We have
841
00:28:30,917 --> 00:28:35,214
an important mission for you.
842
00:28:36,632 --> 00:28:40,386
Let the male companion
843
00:28:36,632 --> 00:28:40,386
to perform...
844
00:28:42,804 --> 00:28:46,099
The mission was
845
00:28:42,804 --> 00:28:46,099
that I was to have a child,
846
00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:48,935
the child that would save
847
00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:48,935
the alien planet,
848
00:28:48,977 --> 00:28:50,688
by the time I turned 16.
849
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:55,359
The box said if I couldn't
850
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:55,359
perform the mission,
851
00:28:55,401 --> 00:28:57,570
they had a backup plan.
852
00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:59,572
That was my sister Susan.
853
00:28:59,613 --> 00:29:05,369
That she was also
854
00:28:59,613 --> 00:29:05,369
half alien and half human,
855
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:08,830
and that she would be--
856
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:08,830
she would be taken.
857
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:12,543
Go to the
858
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:12,543
front of the motor home.
859
00:29:12,585 --> 00:29:15,795
"And there you will meet
860
00:29:12,585 --> 00:29:15,795
the male companion."
861
00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:21,093
And there on the little couch
862
00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:21,093
of the motor home was B.
863
00:29:22,052 --> 00:29:25,514
It was a person that
864
00:29:22,052 --> 00:29:25,514
I so loved and so trusted,
865
00:29:25,556 --> 00:29:26,932
and was familiar to me.
866
00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:28,601
I wasn't alone anymore.
867
00:29:28,642 --> 00:29:32,062
You know, it was like
868
00:29:28,642 --> 00:29:32,062
this huge relief.
869
00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:34,814
He was covered in blood.
870
00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:34,814
He was cut.
871
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,318
I mean, he wasn't moving.
872
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,318
His eyes were closed.
873
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,572
He looked to me
874
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,572
like he was dead.
875
00:29:41,614 --> 00:29:45,825
And so I'm crying, and I'm
876
00:29:41,614 --> 00:29:45,825
shaking him and touching him.
877
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,412
"Wake up! Wake up!
878
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,412
You have to wake up!"
879
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:53,542
And so he comes to,
880
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:53,542
and he starts to tell me
881
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:53,542
what had happened.
882
00:29:55,252 --> 00:29:57,630
"We were driving out
883
00:29:55,252 --> 00:29:57,630
to go horseback riding,
884
00:29:57,671 --> 00:30:01,841
and all of a sudden
885
00:29:57,671 --> 00:30:01,841
I saw this white light
886
00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:04,303
coming down out of the sky,
887
00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:07,389
and the car started to vibrate
888
00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:07,389
and move and shake.
889
00:30:08,474 --> 00:30:11,977
We must've been taken
890
00:30:08,474 --> 00:30:11,977
by this powerful light."
891
00:30:12,018 --> 00:30:14,730
And I said,
892
00:30:12,018 --> 00:30:14,730
"No, we-- we're here.
893
00:30:14,772 --> 00:30:16,565
We're here, we're together,
894
00:30:16,607 --> 00:30:19,943
and there's a mission."
895
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:24,364
I completely knew that
896
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:24,364
he was the male companion,
897
00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:27,867
that together we're supposed
898
00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:27,867
to have a child.
899
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,455
The whole thing of him being,
900
00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:33,457
you know,
901
00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:33,457
this 40-year-old man
902
00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:36,042
and me being
903
00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:36,042
a 12-year-old girl was--
904
00:30:36,084 --> 00:30:38,253
was definitely strange.
905
00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:40,046
The whole thing was strange,
906
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:44,551
but I also now felt like:
907
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:44,551
"Well, I'm an alien.
908
00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:48,096
I'm strange. I'm not normal."
909
00:30:48,138 --> 00:30:50,349
I believed it absolutely.
910
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:53,477
I mean, when you combine
911
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:53,477
being isolated
912
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,896
and completely afraid,
913
00:30:56,938 --> 00:31:00,442
you can pretty much get someone
914
00:30:56,938 --> 00:31:00,442
to do or believe anything.
915
00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:08,116
Those first few weeks,
916
00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:08,116
I had no concept of how much
917
00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:08,116
time had gone by, really.
918
00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:12,078
I think I was drugged
919
00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:12,078
a lot of the time.
920
00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:16,709
But I do remember him
921
00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:16,709
specifically
922
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,878
going through the cupboards
923
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,878
of the motor home.
924
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:25,300
And one of the cupboards
925
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:25,300
had these three or four books.
926
00:31:25,342 --> 00:31:27,636
I knew that the books
927
00:31:25,342 --> 00:31:27,636
were about sex.
928
00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:32,891
And then shortly after that,
929
00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:32,891
the box said:
930
00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:38,731
"We think it's time for you
931
00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:38,731
to ask the male companion
932
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:41,692
to do what
933
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:41,692
makes people happy."
934
00:31:43,777 --> 00:31:47,740
I don't remember
935
00:31:43,777 --> 00:31:47,740
the violent kind of rape
936
00:31:47,781 --> 00:31:50,158
that I've heard
937
00:31:47,781 --> 00:31:50,158
other women talk about.
938
00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:56,998
Berchtold would insert his
939
00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:56,998
penis just slightly, barely.
940
00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:01,127
It was always just an inch.
941
00:32:02,379 --> 00:32:04,798
He almost was as concerned
942
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,926
that it was an enjoyable
943
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,926
experience for me
944
00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:10,178
as it was obviously for him.
945
00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:14,140
There was, like,
946
00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:14,140
a little tiny fan
947
00:32:14,182 --> 00:32:16,435
in the roof
948
00:32:14,182 --> 00:32:16,435
of the motor home.
949
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,856
I could look up
950
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,856
through that little fan,
951
00:32:20,898 --> 00:32:23,358
and I could--
952
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,736
I could just look
953
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,736
at the leaves.
954
00:32:25,778 --> 00:32:29,364
There was some kind of a branch
955
00:32:25,778 --> 00:32:29,364
or a tree or something.
956
00:32:29,406 --> 00:32:33,993
And I could just--
957
00:32:29,406 --> 00:32:33,993
I would just look at the leaves.
958
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:37,831
Just look at the leaves.
959
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:37,831
If you just look at the leaves,
960
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:37,831
it'll be okay.
961
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:41,835
I guess that's how
962
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:41,835
I got through it.
963
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,264
Bob called me and says,
964
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:57,726
"I want you to call Mary Ann
965
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:57,726
and get a written permission
966
00:32:57,768 --> 00:33:00,729
for Jan and I to come back
967
00:32:57,768 --> 00:33:00,729
to the United States
968
00:33:00,771 --> 00:33:03,565
and get married. 'Cause we were
969
00:33:00,771 --> 00:33:03,565
married in Mexico,
970
00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,484
but it isn't legal
971
00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,484
in the United States."
972
00:33:05,525 --> 00:33:08,612
Under Mexican law,
973
00:33:05,525 --> 00:33:08,612
you had to be 12 years old.
974
00:33:09,655 --> 00:33:12,073
And of course they qualified.
975
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:16,870
I was irate to even think that
976
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:16,870
that could happen.
977
00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:18,914
His brother called and he said:
978
00:33:18,956 --> 00:33:21,959
"They want to come home,
979
00:33:18,956 --> 00:33:21,959
but he cannot come home
980
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,169
unless you give him
981
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,169
permission to marry her
982
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:26,630
in the United States
983
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:26,630
of America."
984
00:33:26,672 --> 00:33:29,967
"Permission to marry
985
00:33:26,672 --> 00:33:29,967
her? We would never do that."
986
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,051
"Well, he can't come back
987
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,051
unless you do."
988
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:33,720
He'll be a dead man
989
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:33,720
or spend the rest of his life
990
00:33:33,762 --> 00:33:35,054
in prison if he comes back.
991
00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:36,765
You have kidnapping charges."
992
00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:38,224
"Absolutely not.
993
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,935
We will not.
994
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,935
"Where are they?"
995
00:33:39,977 --> 00:33:42,729
And then I-- In my mind
996
00:33:39,977 --> 00:33:42,729
I decided to get him home.
997
00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:46,525
I had the FBI come in
998
00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:46,525
and they tapped the phone.
999
00:33:47,651 --> 00:33:51,363
He called me and says:
1000
00:33:47,651 --> 00:33:51,363
"I'm in Mazatlán, Mexico."
1001
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:53,866
The FBI was
1002
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:53,866
able to trace the call
1003
00:33:53,907 --> 00:33:56,159
to a hotel in Mazatlán.
1004
00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:58,119
And I thought
1005
00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:58,119
it'd ruin our relationship.
1006
00:33:58,161 --> 00:33:59,913
I thought he'd kill me
1007
00:33:58,161 --> 00:33:59,913
when he'd come back.
1008
00:33:59,955 --> 00:34:04,001
Our legal attaché
1009
00:33:59,955 --> 00:34:04,001
in Mexico City was contacted.
1010
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:06,003
He contacted the Federales.
1011
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:11,800
The Mexican police came to
1012
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:11,800
the motor home. All of a sudden,
1013
00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,260
they came through the door.
1014
00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,260
They literally, like,
1015
00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,260
kicked the door down.
1016
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:17,681
They crammed all of us
1017
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:17,681
into this small little vehicle.
1018
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:22,060
I could kind of see him almost
1019
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:22,060
in the rearview mirror,
1020
00:34:22,101 --> 00:34:25,898
and just kind of looking at me
1021
00:34:22,101 --> 00:34:25,898
like he was scared.
1022
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:28,775
They took us to this
1023
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:28,775
Mexican prison.
1024
00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:34,072
At one point, one of
1025
00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:34,072
the Mexican police officers
1026
00:34:34,113 --> 00:34:37,576
led me down into a lower level
1027
00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:40,704
in this dank, dark,
1028
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:46,001
water-smelling hallway
1029
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:46,001
to B's cell.
1030
00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:49,087
He gave the guard
1031
00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:49,087
his gold ring
1032
00:34:49,128 --> 00:34:52,131
in order for the guard
1033
00:34:49,128 --> 00:34:52,131
to let him talk to me.
1034
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:58,638
"Tell your family that
1035
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:58,638
I brought you on a vacation,
1036
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,850
and that I made a mistake.
1037
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,850
I took you too far away.
1038
00:35:01,892 --> 00:35:04,477
I didn't tell your family
1039
00:35:01,892 --> 00:35:04,477
like I should have."
1040
00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:08,523
"I'd been visited
1041
00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:08,523
by Zeta and Zethra.
1042
00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:10,567
They came to me
1043
00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:10,567
and they told me
1044
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:15,113
that there are four things
1045
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:15,113
that you can't talk about."
1046
00:35:15,154 --> 00:35:17,407
I couldn't talk about them--
1047
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:20,118
Zeta and Zethra,
1048
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:20,118
the alien planet.
1049
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,873
I couldn't talk about
1050
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,873
the relaxing pills
1051
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,873
that I'd been given.
1052
00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:27,417
I couldn't
1053
00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:27,417
talk about the mission,
1054
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:30,754
and so, therefore,
1055
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:30,754
I couldn't talk
1056
00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:34,758
about any of
1057
00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:34,758
the sexual experiences
1058
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,675
that we had had.
1059
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:40,305
"You will have
1060
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:40,305
no other contact
1061
00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:42,015
with any other men,
1062
00:35:42,057 --> 00:35:44,643
you know,
1063
00:35:42,057 --> 00:35:44,643
even with your dad.
1064
00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:48,647
And if either of us talk about
1065
00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:48,647
any of these four things,
1066
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:51,357
my sister Karen
1067
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:51,357
would go blind."
1068
00:35:51,399 --> 00:35:53,777
And the threat
1069
00:35:51,399 --> 00:35:53,777
against my father
1070
00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:57,363
was that they--
1071
00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:57,363
they would remove him.
1072
00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:57,363
That's how they put it,
1073
00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:59,365
which I knew meant
1074
00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:59,365
they would kill him.
1075
00:35:59,407 --> 00:36:01,159
And then, of course,
1076
00:35:59,407 --> 00:36:01,159
the threat with Susan
1077
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,911
was that they would take her.
1078
00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:07,165
"Your parents
1079
00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:07,165
will probably come,
1080
00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:10,460
but make sure that you don't
1081
00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:10,460
tell them or anyone,
1082
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:12,462
anyone,
1083
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:12,462
about those four things
1084
00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:15,173
or you will be vaporized.
1085
00:36:17,383 --> 00:36:20,553
They have the power
1086
00:36:17,383 --> 00:36:20,553
to take our lives
1087
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:23,389
and also to take our spirits.
1088
00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,809
We won't even exist."
1089
00:36:25,851 --> 00:36:28,687
For me, as this young girl
1090
00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:31,606
who had always had
1091
00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:31,606
a very strong faith
1092
00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:33,775
in life after death,
1093
00:36:34,776 --> 00:36:37,529
it was a terrifying thought.
1094
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:41,616
It was probably the thing
1095
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:41,616
that kept me obedient
1096
00:36:41,658 --> 00:36:45,495
to what they wanted me to do
1097
00:36:41,658 --> 00:36:45,495
more than anything.
1098
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:59,759
Bob and I flew to
1099
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:59,759
Mazatlán to bring Jan home.
1100
00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:02,220
We wanted to go and we wanted
1101
00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:02,220
to be there with her,
1102
00:37:02,261 --> 00:37:05,140
and let her know
1103
00:37:02,261 --> 00:37:05,140
that we still loved her.
1104
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,312
All of the sudden
1105
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,312
we saw our little girl
1106
00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:14,399
just waving, screaming.
1107
00:37:16,943 --> 00:37:18,111
Wow.
1108
00:37:19,278 --> 00:37:20,947
I can remember saying:
1109
00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:24,034
"Honey, that's our little girl.
1110
00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:26,912
She's ours."
1111
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:35,503
Jan all of the sudden
1112
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:35,503
just kind of went to pieces.
1113
00:37:36,796 --> 00:37:39,925
She started saying:
1114
00:37:36,796 --> 00:37:39,925
"What about B?
1115
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:42,135
They're gonna do something bad
1116
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:42,135
to him." And I said:
1117
00:37:42,177 --> 00:37:45,097
"We can't think about
1118
00:37:42,177 --> 00:37:45,097
B right now. It's you.
1119
00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,348
They'll have to work
1120
00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,348
that out with the FBI."
1121
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,559
"Why did you call the FBI?
1122
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:53,146
I was fine! I was fine!
1123
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:53,146
I'm on vacation with B.
1124
00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:56,024
And nothing happened.
1125
00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:56,024
Nothing happened,
1126
00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:56,024
but we've got to take him."
1127
00:37:56,066 --> 00:37:58,985
"Sorry.
1128
00:37:56,066 --> 00:37:58,985
We're going home, Jan.
1129
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:03,115
- We're going home."
1130
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:03,115
- But I can remember the tears
1131
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:03,115
running down my cheeks.
1132
00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:07,827
And didn't say anything
1133
00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:07,827
to Mary Ann,
1134
00:38:07,869 --> 00:38:13,374
I just thought, you know,
1135
00:38:07,869 --> 00:38:13,374
"She's not our Jan."
1136
00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:17,129
The minute
1137
00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:17,129
Jan got on the plane,
1138
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:19,547
she wouldn't sit by me.
1139
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:22,259
I can remember the sorrow
1140
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:25,971
that I felt on that plane.
1141
00:38:27,764 --> 00:38:29,182
Mary Ann was sitting next to me,
1142
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:32,351
and I said to Mary Ann:
1143
00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:35,438
"I don't think
1144
00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:35,438
our problems are over."
1145
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:49,161
Bob Berchtold is
1146
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:49,161
arrested in Mexico, brought to
1147
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:49,161
the United States.
1148
00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:53,206
He appeared before a grand jury,
1149
00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:53,206
and they indicted him
1150
00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:53,206
for kidnapping charges.
1151
00:38:57,376 --> 00:39:00,088
We had a her examined
1152
00:38:57,376 --> 00:39:00,088
by a physician.
1153
00:39:01,798 --> 00:39:06,303
That physician said she has
1154
00:39:01,798 --> 00:39:06,303
not had her hymen broken.
1155
00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:09,639
"I can see no trauma
1156
00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:09,639
of sexual abuse."
1157
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:12,058
That relieved us a great deal.
1158
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,728
I couldn't get her to
1159
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,728
really talk about things
1160
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,728
other than:
1161
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,064
"Oh, well,
1162
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,064
I went parasailing and--"
1163
00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,650
she would talk about
1164
00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,650
some of the things
1165
00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,650
she'd done in Mexico,
1166
00:39:20,692 --> 00:39:24,988
but she definitely was, uhm...
1167
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:26,823
you know, standoffish,
1168
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:29,367
uhm, especially with my dad.
1169
00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:30,910
I showed her the clipping
1170
00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:34,080
of the kidnapping
1171
00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:34,080
that was in the paper.
1172
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:38,210
And she said:
1173
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:38,210
"That isn't true, Dad."
1174
00:39:38,251 --> 00:39:40,753
She was sticking up for him.
1175
00:39:40,795 --> 00:39:43,381
She seemed fine.
1176
00:39:40,795 --> 00:39:43,381
She went back to school,
1177
00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:46,218
picked up where she was going,
1178
00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:46,218
was doing fine.
1179
00:39:46,259 --> 00:39:48,469
We didn't have
1180
00:39:46,259 --> 00:39:48,469
any real concerns about her.
1181
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:53,558
My thoughts were constantly
1182
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:53,558
about-- about B.
1183
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,228
How are we gonna continue
1184
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,228
the mission?
1185
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,898
How am I going to be with him?
1186
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,898
How am I going to see him?
1187
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,898
How am I going to do this?
1188
00:40:01,233 --> 00:40:04,152
I was separating myself
1189
00:40:01,233 --> 00:40:04,152
emotionally
1190
00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:06,363
and mentally from my family
1191
00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,324
because knew that the mission
1192
00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,324
hadn't been accomplished.
1193
00:40:09,366 --> 00:40:11,868
I knew that more was to come.
1194
00:40:13,203 --> 00:40:15,872
I told Mary Ann
1195
00:40:13,203 --> 00:40:15,872
and Bob not to talk
1196
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:19,417
to Gail Berchtold,
1197
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:19,417
Bob Berchtold.
1198
00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:21,627
Don't let your kids play
1199
00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:21,627
with their kids.
1200
00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:23,380
This is a serious thing.
1201
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:24,630
Stay away from them.
1202
00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:29,719
Which they did not do.
1203
00:40:38,686 --> 00:40:40,688
It was on Christmas Eve
1204
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,982
when Gail Berchtold
1205
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,982
came to the door
1206
00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:45,443
and asked to talk to Bob alone.
1207
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,904
The two of them went back
1208
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,904
to the den
1209
00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:50,656
and chatted
1210
00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:50,656
for quite some time.
1211
00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:52,784
Gail came out, went on her way,
1212
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:56,121
and then Bob said to me,
1213
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:56,121
"Gail wants us to drop
1214
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:58,664
all the charges
1215
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:58,664
against her husband."
1216
00:40:58,706 --> 00:41:02,210
She asked us
1217
00:40:58,706 --> 00:41:02,210
to sign some affidavits.
1218
00:41:02,252 --> 00:41:06,881
"If we don't
1219
00:41:02,252 --> 00:41:06,881
sign these affidavits,
1220
00:41:06,923 --> 00:41:10,676
they're going to expose
1221
00:41:06,923 --> 00:41:10,676
the dirty laundry
1222
00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:13,430
between me and Berchtold."
1223
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:16,099
I was quite shocked.
1224
00:41:16,141 --> 00:41:19,685
I felt terrible,
1225
00:41:16,141 --> 00:41:19,685
especially for my husband.
1226
00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:23,689
I just thought:
1227
00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:23,689
"Oh, no. That can't happen."
1228
00:41:25,317 --> 00:41:27,526
So we signed the affidavits.
1229
00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:32,782
"My daughter
1230
00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:32,782
was not taken by force
1231
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:35,327
or against her will,
1232
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:35,327
nor was she held
1233
00:41:35,368 --> 00:41:38,121
or confined against her will
1234
00:41:35,368 --> 00:41:38,121
at any time
1235
00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:40,790
while in the company
1236
00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:40,790
of the defendant."
1237
00:41:40,832 --> 00:41:44,127
"I honestly believe
1238
00:41:40,832 --> 00:41:44,127
there is a strong possibility
1239
00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:46,921
that the defendant was
1240
00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:46,921
under the impression
1241
00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:49,132
he had my husband's
1242
00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:49,132
and my consent
1243
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:53,928
to take my daughter with him
1244
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:53,928
when he left in October."
1245
00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,055
"I had the right
1246
00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,055
under the First Amendment
1247
00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:58,724
to the United States
1248
00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:58,724
Constitution
1249
00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:02,145
to keep these matters
1250
00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:02,145
within my family.
1251
00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:04,522
I feel that the interests
1252
00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:04,522
of justice
1253
00:42:04,563 --> 00:42:06,941
and society
1254
00:42:04,563 --> 00:42:06,941
would not be served
1255
00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:09,402
by continuing to prosecute
1256
00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:09,402
this matter."
1257
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:13,865
Here's these people
1258
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:13,865
crying about their daughter.
1259
00:42:13,906 --> 00:42:17,743
And I'm living over there,
1260
00:42:13,906 --> 00:42:17,743
I'm neglecting my own family,
1261
00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:19,745
and then all of a sudden
1262
00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:19,745
they walk in with:
1263
00:42:19,787 --> 00:42:21,914
"Oh, we let her go."
1264
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,458
They're covering
1265
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,458
their own hide
1266
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,960
and not the kid,
1267
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,960
which is a shame.
1268
00:42:26,002 --> 00:42:27,879
The general public
1269
00:42:26,002 --> 00:42:27,879
was not happy.
1270
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,548
We had lots of phone calls
1271
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,548
from people we did not know
1272
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:32,509
that said:
1273
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:32,509
"Why would you do that?"
1274
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:37,972
The US Federal Attorney
1275
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:37,972
called us and he was livid.
1276
00:42:38,014 --> 00:42:41,100
"You can't do this.
1277
00:42:38,014 --> 00:42:41,100
We are going to have a trial."
1278
00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:45,188
Berchtold was
1279
00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:45,188
bound over for trial,
1280
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:48,483
but I don't have any witnesses
1281
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:48,483
all of a sudden.
1282
00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:51,610
The Brobergs basically took
1283
00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:51,610
the government's case
1284
00:42:51,652 --> 00:42:53,238
and stomped on it.
1285
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:00,828
Berchtold moved to Ogden, Utah
1286
00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:04,165
to work at his brother
1287
00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:04,165
Joe's car dealership.
1288
00:43:04,207 --> 00:43:05,583
Gail stayed behind.
1289
00:43:05,624 --> 00:43:07,960
She didn't know.
1290
00:43:05,624 --> 00:43:07,960
He didn't know.
1291
00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:11,589
Maybe he would work there
1292
00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:11,589
until he could get on his feet,
1293
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:14,551
then he'd move
1294
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:14,551
the family close to him.
1295
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:17,512
He come work for me and he sold
1296
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:17,512
cars out the Ying-yang.
1297
00:43:17,554 --> 00:43:20,098
Super salesman.
1298
00:43:17,554 --> 00:43:20,098
He could sell anybody anything.
1299
00:43:20,139 --> 00:43:21,599
He continually came home.
1300
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,436
Every weekend
1301
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,436
he was in church.
1302
00:43:24,477 --> 00:43:27,897
Every weekend people were
1303
00:43:24,477 --> 00:43:27,897
patting him on the back
1304
00:43:24,477 --> 00:43:27,897
and saying:
1305
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:30,483
"Oh, we're so sorry.
1306
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:30,483
We know you've been ill.
1307
00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:32,068
We hope this all passes
1308
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:34,404
and that you can get
1309
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:34,404
your life back together."
1310
00:43:34,446 --> 00:43:36,739
We were so kind
1311
00:43:34,446 --> 00:43:36,739
when he came back home.
1312
00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:41,035
And even at that point,
1313
00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:41,035
we weren't aware of just
1314
00:43:41,077 --> 00:43:44,372
how deep this sick man was.
1315
00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:55,258
The first time that I
1316
00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:55,258
remember actually seeing him
1317
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,554
after the kidnapping,
1318
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,554
it was in the night.
1319
00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:03,266
It was in my back bedroom
1320
00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:03,266
downstairs.
1321
00:44:03,308 --> 00:44:06,102
The first thing that woke me up
1322
00:44:03,308 --> 00:44:06,102
was the little box.
1323
00:44:13,901 --> 00:44:17,989
Female companion...
1324
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,326
Berchtold appeared
1325
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,326
in my bedroom.
1326
00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:28,291
He came in and he would talk
1327
00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:28,291
about the mission,
1328
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:30,126
and that the mission
1329
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:30,126
was gonna continue,
1330
00:44:30,168 --> 00:44:31,877
and that
1331
00:44:30,168 --> 00:44:31,877
they were making plans
1332
00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:34,172
and preparations
1333
00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:34,172
for us to be together,
1334
00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:35,881
and just to keep doing
1335
00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:35,881
what I was doing,
1336
00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:37,550
and to keep following
1337
00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:37,550
the rules.
1338
00:44:38,551 --> 00:44:43,556
And I continued to be in
1339
00:44:38,551 --> 00:44:43,556
communication with Berchtold,
1340
00:44:43,598 --> 00:44:45,266
or he was
1341
00:44:43,598 --> 00:44:45,266
in communication with me,
1342
00:44:45,308 --> 00:44:48,478
and I would do
1343
00:44:45,308 --> 00:44:48,478
whatever I was told to do.
1344
00:44:49,646 --> 00:44:52,815
I would occasionally get
1345
00:44:49,646 --> 00:44:52,815
a note from someone at school.
1346
00:44:52,857 --> 00:44:57,862
"You need to go
1347
00:44:52,857 --> 00:44:57,862
to such and such location,
1348
00:44:57,903 --> 00:45:00,823
to the phone booth at
1349
00:44:57,903 --> 00:45:00,823
four o'clock this afternoon,
1350
00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:03,368
and there you will receive
1351
00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:03,368
further instructions."
1352
00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:17,840
I would get letters from B,
1353
00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:17,840
and it would be a love letter
1354
00:45:17,882 --> 00:45:21,260
about what he was going through,
1355
00:45:17,882 --> 00:45:21,260
and how much he missed me,
1356
00:45:21,302 --> 00:45:24,639
and how much he knew
1357
00:45:21,302 --> 00:45:24,639
we were meant to be together.
1358
00:45:24,681 --> 00:45:28,351
And my natural response
1359
00:45:28,393 --> 00:45:32,021
was to respond in kind,
1360
00:45:28,393 --> 00:45:32,021
and, you know,
1361
00:45:32,063 --> 00:45:35,149
write loving letters
1362
00:45:32,063 --> 00:45:35,149
back to him and--
1363
00:45:35,191 --> 00:45:38,819
and try to figure out
1364
00:45:35,191 --> 00:45:38,819
how to get them to him.
1365
00:45:38,861 --> 00:45:41,947
"Did you know
1366
00:45:38,861 --> 00:45:41,947
that you're a sweetheart?
1367
00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:45,951
If you didn't, I want you
1368
00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:45,951
to know that you are.
1369
00:45:45,993 --> 00:45:48,745
Our love must be
1370
00:45:45,993 --> 00:45:48,745
pretty great.
1371
00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:51,957
We've sure gone through a lot
1372
00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:51,957
for each other.
1373
00:45:51,999 --> 00:45:53,334
Your Dolly, Jan."
1374
00:45:53,376 --> 00:45:54,960
The shift from
1375
00:45:55,002 --> 00:45:57,380
I loved this man
1376
00:45:55,002 --> 00:45:57,380
like my father
1377
00:45:57,422 --> 00:46:01,884
to I love him like a husband
1378
00:45:57,422 --> 00:46:01,884
or like a man, happened.
1379
00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:04,679
She said:
1380
00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:04,679
"Mom, I miss him so much.
1381
00:46:04,721 --> 00:46:06,723
I want to marry him."
1382
00:46:06,763 --> 00:46:10,142
And I said:
1383
00:46:06,763 --> 00:46:10,142
"You want to marry B?"
1384
00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:13,396
She said:
1385
00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:13,396
"Yes. I want to marry him,
1386
00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:15,565
and we want to have
1387
00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:15,565
children together."
1388
00:46:17,233 --> 00:46:20,194
I loved him as deeply
1389
00:46:20,236 --> 00:46:23,322
as I've ever loved anyone.
1390
00:46:23,364 --> 00:46:26,367
My level of commitment
1391
00:46:26,409 --> 00:46:30,162
and love for him,
1392
00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:33,790
was as profound as anything
1393
00:46:33,832 --> 00:46:36,628
that I have ever experienced
1394
00:46:36,669 --> 00:46:39,338
in the realm of real love.
1395
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:42,383
But it was profound,
1396
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:42,383
it was committed,
1397
00:46:42,425 --> 00:46:47,263
it was in me in every sense
1398
00:46:42,425 --> 00:46:47,263
of the word.
1399
00:46:53,478 --> 00:46:56,813
Here's a letter from B to me.
1400
00:46:56,855 --> 00:46:59,233
I'm probably 13.
1401
00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:03,820
"Hi, Darling.
1402
00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:03,820
I awake this morning
1403
00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:03,820
thinking of you as usual
1404
00:47:03,862 --> 00:47:05,822
and loving you even more.
1405
00:47:05,864 --> 00:47:08,033
I remembered you in Oliver
1406
00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,453
and the night you cried
1407
00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,453
when you sang:
1408
00:47:10,495 --> 00:47:14,624
Where Is Love
1409
00:47:10,495 --> 00:47:14,624
especially for me.
1410
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:16,668
Remember the song
1411
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:16,668
from Oliver:
1412
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:19,295
As Long As He Needs Me
1413
00:47:19,337 --> 00:47:22,006
and the meaning it had
1414
00:47:19,337 --> 00:47:22,006
in the play?"
1415
00:47:22,047 --> 00:47:27,844
♪ As long as he needs me... ♪
1416
00:47:27,886 --> 00:47:30,473
"Please, honey,
1417
00:47:27,886 --> 00:47:30,473
sing it over and over
1418
00:47:30,515 --> 00:47:33,058
and know I need your love
1419
00:47:30,515 --> 00:47:33,058
more now
1420
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:35,060
than anything on this earth.
1421
00:47:37,313 --> 00:47:39,856
Evil forces
1422
00:47:37,313 --> 00:47:39,856
would like nothing more
1423
00:47:39,898 --> 00:47:44,069
than to destroy us
1424
00:47:39,898 --> 00:47:44,069
and ruin everything.
1425
00:47:44,111 --> 00:47:47,864
I can do no more than love you
1426
00:47:44,111 --> 00:47:47,864
every minute of my life.
1427
00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:49,742
The rest is up to you.
1428
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:55,872
Be brave, do everything right,
1429
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:55,872
and don't give up hope.
1430
00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:59,293
I never will, because
1431
00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:59,293
through it all, there is you.
1432
00:47:59,335 --> 00:48:01,086
Forever 'B'."
1433
00:48:01,128 --> 00:48:04,881
♪ As long as he needs me ♪
1434
00:48:04,923 --> 00:48:08,093
♪ As long as he ♪
1435
00:48:08,135 --> 00:48:13,140
♪ Needs me ♪
1436
00:48:22,441 --> 00:48:24,736
I heard from him every day.
1437
00:48:24,777 --> 00:48:26,362
He would call and talk
1438
00:48:26,404 --> 00:48:28,905
and tell me
1439
00:48:26,404 --> 00:48:28,905
how much he loved me,
1440
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:31,576
he wanted me
1441
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:31,576
as part of his life.
1442
00:48:31,617 --> 00:48:33,786
I kept saying:
1443
00:48:31,617 --> 00:48:33,786
"Please tell me.
1444
00:48:33,828 --> 00:48:37,289
Please tell me:
1445
00:48:33,828 --> 00:48:37,289
"why did you marry Jan?"
1446
00:48:37,331 --> 00:48:39,751
He said:
1447
00:48:37,331 --> 00:48:39,751
"Well, if you will come
1448
00:48:39,792 --> 00:48:42,336
and talk with me personally,
1449
00:48:42,378 --> 00:48:45,339
I'll give you
1450
00:48:42,378 --> 00:48:45,339
the whole details about it."
1451
00:48:48,843 --> 00:48:52,221
And I went down and, uh,
1452
00:48:52,263 --> 00:48:53,930
went over to his motor home,
1453
00:48:53,972 --> 00:48:57,769
met him there
1454
00:48:53,972 --> 00:48:57,769
after he got off work,
1455
00:48:57,810 --> 00:48:59,645
and we sat and talked.
1456
00:49:01,731 --> 00:49:06,861
He told me how much he loved me
1457
00:49:01,731 --> 00:49:06,861
over and over and over.
1458
00:49:01,731 --> 00:49:06,861
And he kept telling me:
1459
00:49:06,903 --> 00:49:08,738
"We could have a great life
1460
00:49:06,903 --> 00:49:08,738
together, Mary Ann.
1461
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:11,783
All you need to do
1462
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:11,783
is get divorced,
1463
00:49:11,824 --> 00:49:13,242
come and live with me."
1464
00:49:14,869 --> 00:49:18,372
It was not long before
1465
00:49:14,869 --> 00:49:18,372
he was holding my hand,
1466
00:49:18,414 --> 00:49:23,502
and then was stroking my--
1467
00:49:18,414 --> 00:49:23,502
my leg and,
1468
00:49:23,544 --> 00:49:27,423
you know, he poured his heart
1469
00:49:23,544 --> 00:49:27,423
out and his soul out.
1470
00:49:27,465 --> 00:49:32,177
I stayed too long
1471
00:49:27,465 --> 00:49:32,177
at his motor home
1472
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:36,014
and we engaged in necking
1473
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:36,014
and kissing,
1474
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:39,184
and then eventually
1475
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:39,184
in sexual intercourse.
1476
00:49:41,228 --> 00:49:44,565
I loved my husband,
1477
00:49:41,228 --> 00:49:44,565
but I betrayed him.
1478
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:48,820
After it happened,
1479
00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:55,618
I knew
1480
00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:55,618
that I had crossed the path
1481
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:59,079
that I could never go back
1482
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:59,079
and undo. It was done.
1483
00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:03,334
I think it was about four days
1484
00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:03,334
or five days after she had gone,
1485
00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:08,422
Berchtold called me
1486
00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:08,422
and he told me what happened.
1487
00:50:08,464 --> 00:50:12,468
And that's when real trouble
1488
00:50:08,464 --> 00:50:12,468
started in our marriage,
1489
00:50:13,845 --> 00:50:16,555
and it just got worse.
1490
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:20,977
My sexual affair
1491
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:20,977
with Mr. Berchtold
1492
00:50:21,017 --> 00:50:22,895
lasted for eight months.
1493
00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:26,691
I would say that I was
1494
00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:26,691
in love with Berchtold.
1495
00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:32,321
It was an exciting time for me.
1496
00:50:39,912 --> 00:50:41,622
I knew what he was doing.
1497
00:50:41,664 --> 00:50:43,457
I knew that
1498
00:50:41,664 --> 00:50:43,457
it wasn't Mary Ann.
1499
00:50:44,709 --> 00:50:46,168
I knew that it was Jan.
1500
00:50:57,262 --> 00:50:59,431
It was always about sex
1501
00:50:57,262 --> 00:50:59,431
at that point.
1502
00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:04,020
That was what all of those
1503
00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:04,020
encounters were about for him.
1504
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,772
After speaking with the bishop
1505
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,772
more than once,
1506
00:51:06,814 --> 00:51:09,692
"Bob, you've gotta
1507
00:51:06,814 --> 00:51:09,692
make some decisions,
1508
00:51:09,734 --> 00:51:12,611
because Mary Ann is--
1509
00:51:13,905 --> 00:51:15,781
she's on the wrong path."
1510
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:20,578
So, I filed for a divorce.
1511
00:51:20,619 --> 00:51:23,706
I was served the
1512
00:51:20,619 --> 00:51:23,706
subpoena to leave the home.
1513
00:51:25,541 --> 00:51:28,502
I was endangering
1514
00:51:25,541 --> 00:51:28,502
his three girls.
1515
00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:30,922
I was shocked
1516
00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:30,922
that he would do that.
1517
00:51:30,963 --> 00:51:34,174
I wasn't about to let him
1518
00:51:30,963 --> 00:51:34,174
have my children.
1519
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:39,722
I took the girls, and we were--
1520
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:39,722
we went somewhere on the day
1521
00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:43,059
that I knew that she was gonna
1522
00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:43,059
be served the papers.
1523
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:47,271
No question,
1524
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:47,271
the worst day of my life.
1525
00:51:49,732 --> 00:51:51,734
We drove to a restaurant
1526
00:51:49,732 --> 00:51:51,734
out of town.
1527
00:51:53,151 --> 00:51:54,987
When we got to the restaurant,
1528
00:51:53,151 --> 00:51:54,987
and he told us
1529
00:51:55,029 --> 00:51:58,407
that he and my mom were
1530
00:51:55,029 --> 00:51:58,407
going to be separated,
1531
00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:00,451
that especially then
1532
00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:00,451
in my little town,
1533
00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:03,161
I mean, nobody got divorced,
1534
00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:06,122
and not my paren...
1535
00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:09,835
I felt like crawling in a hole
1536
00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:09,835
and burying myself alive.
1537
00:52:09,877 --> 00:52:12,128
There was nothing really, I felt
1538
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:15,967
like I had
1539
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:15,967
to live for anymore.
1540
00:52:16,008 --> 00:52:19,344
It was a tough, tough time.
1541
00:52:19,386 --> 00:52:22,138
Two or three days went by,
1542
00:52:19,386 --> 00:52:22,138
and he called me,
1543
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:25,350
"Well, you're--
1544
00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:27,103
you're gonna lose your wife
1545
00:52:27,143 --> 00:52:28,896
and you're gonna lose
1546
00:52:27,143 --> 00:52:28,896
your children."
1547
00:52:28,938 --> 00:52:31,732
And I just hung up on him.
1548
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:34,735
But I, nevertheless,
1549
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:34,735
was extremely worried.
1550
00:52:34,777 --> 00:52:37,362
And he called me and told me:
1551
00:52:37,404 --> 00:52:39,949
"Well, Mary Ann,
1552
00:52:37,404 --> 00:52:39,949
if you just leave Bob,
1553
00:52:39,991 --> 00:52:43,577
I'll find you an apartment.
1554
00:52:39,991 --> 00:52:43,577
You can have
1555
00:52:39,991 --> 00:52:43,577
a whole new life down here,
1556
00:52:43,619 --> 00:52:45,746
and you will be so happy."
1557
00:52:45,788 --> 00:52:49,917
"I'm not leaving
1558
00:52:45,788 --> 00:52:49,917
my husband. I'm sorry."
1559
00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,586
He said:
1560
00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,586
"Well, he doesn't want you.
1561
00:52:52,628 --> 00:52:54,296
Look what he's done to you.
1562
00:52:52,628 --> 00:52:54,296
Kicked you out of the home.
1563
00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:58,174
I know if you will get you
1564
00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:58,174
an attorney and go back
1565
00:52:58,216 --> 00:53:00,302
and file charges against him,
1566
00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:04,682
you'll end up with your children
1567
00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:04,682
because Bob's a homosexual."
1568
00:53:04,723 --> 00:53:10,813
"That's not true."
1569
00:53:04,723 --> 00:53:10,813
I went to an attorney
1570
00:53:04,723 --> 00:53:10,813
"I need help.
1571
00:53:10,855 --> 00:53:13,107
I do not want a divorce."
1572
00:53:13,149 --> 00:53:17,862
"You need
1573
00:53:13,149 --> 00:53:17,862
to cut out the cancer.
1574
00:53:17,903 --> 00:53:20,114
This is not a good man."
1575
00:53:21,657 --> 00:53:24,409
I went back to my home.
1576
00:53:25,285 --> 00:53:27,496
I was standing in the kitchen
1577
00:53:27,538 --> 00:53:29,957
and she opened the door
1578
00:53:27,538 --> 00:53:29,957
and she said:
1579
00:53:29,999 --> 00:53:32,793
"I can't raise
1580
00:53:29,999 --> 00:53:32,793
these children alone.
1581
00:53:32,835 --> 00:53:35,838
And I know they need you
1582
00:53:32,835 --> 00:53:35,838
and they need me."
1583
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,756
"I will get him
1584
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,756
out of my life.
1585
00:53:37,798 --> 00:53:39,675
I don't want him
1586
00:53:37,798 --> 00:53:39,675
in my life any longer."
1587
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:42,887
We just fell
1588
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:42,887
into each other's arms.
1589
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,100
And that was enough for me.
1590
00:53:57,151 --> 00:54:00,779
Berchtold went into
1591
00:53:57,151 --> 00:54:00,779
court and he pled guilty
1592
00:54:00,821 --> 00:54:04,200
to a felony charge
1593
00:54:00,821 --> 00:54:04,200
of kidnapping.
1594
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,203
The judge sentenced him
1595
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,203
to five years,
1596
00:54:07,243 --> 00:54:11,916
and reduced all five years
1597
00:54:07,243 --> 00:54:11,916
down to 45 days.
1598
00:54:11,957 --> 00:54:15,878
He's to report to jail
1599
00:54:11,957 --> 00:54:15,878
within three months.
1600
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,922
B moved away from Pocatello,
1601
00:54:17,963 --> 00:54:20,632
and had bought
1602
00:54:17,963 --> 00:54:20,632
a family fun center,
1603
00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:24,095
like a game center
1604
00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:24,095
in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
1605
00:54:24,136 --> 00:54:27,098
I wanted to go and work there
1606
00:54:24,136 --> 00:54:27,098
for the summer.
1607
00:54:27,139 --> 00:54:28,682
I begged my mother.
1608
00:54:28,724 --> 00:54:31,143
I cried to my father.
1609
00:54:28,724 --> 00:54:31,143
I screamed a little.
1610
00:54:31,185 --> 00:54:33,938
"Absolutely not.
1611
00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,023
No is the answer."
1612
00:54:36,065 --> 00:54:40,778
That was in 1976,
1613
00:54:36,065 --> 00:54:40,778
and she was so insistent.
1614
00:54:41,946 --> 00:54:45,616
And she went on to just
1615
00:54:41,946 --> 00:54:45,616
become a person
1616
00:54:45,657 --> 00:54:47,952
that she had never become
1617
00:54:47,993 --> 00:54:50,746
to pick arguments,
1618
00:54:47,993 --> 00:54:50,746
pick on her sisters,
1619
00:54:50,788 --> 00:54:54,250
to pick on us, to just make life
1620
00:54:50,788 --> 00:54:54,250
miserable around there.
1621
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:57,044
She was deciding
1622
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:57,044
what was going on with her.
1623
00:54:57,086 --> 00:55:00,172
No questions,
1624
00:54:57,086 --> 00:55:00,172
no say for my mother.
1625
00:55:00,214 --> 00:55:02,716
Berchtold called me,
1626
00:55:00,214 --> 00:55:02,716
"Don't hang up.
1627
00:55:02,758 --> 00:55:05,385
I want to tell you that Jan's
1628
00:55:02,758 --> 00:55:05,385
coming to Jackson Hole.
1629
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,721
She's gonna go out
1630
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,721
and get on the highway
1631
00:55:07,763 --> 00:55:10,015
and start hiking
1632
00:55:07,763 --> 00:55:10,015
if you don't let her come."
1633
00:55:10,057 --> 00:55:12,601
"My gosh,
1634
00:55:10,057 --> 00:55:12,601
I've got to do something."
1635
00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:16,730
Well, eventually my mother
1636
00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:16,730
took me and put me on a plane
1637
00:55:16,772 --> 00:55:18,565
and sent me to Jackson Hole.
1638
00:55:18,607 --> 00:55:21,317
I was livid that he--
1639
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,654
that she put her
1640
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,654
on that airplane.
1641
00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:27,992
"Dear, you'll regret
1642
00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:27,992
that decision someday."
1643
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:08,490
The mission continued.
1644
00:56:08,532 --> 00:56:10,617
You know, there was more sex.
1645
00:56:35,851 --> 00:56:39,813
B told me that he
1646
00:56:35,851 --> 00:56:39,813
and Gail were getting a divorce,
1647
00:56:39,855 --> 00:56:42,482
and now we could get married.
1648
00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:47,779
I am completely
1649
00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:47,779
and utterly convinced
1650
00:56:47,821 --> 00:56:49,823
that I am in love with B,
1651
00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:52,450
that I have to be with him.
1652
00:56:52,492 --> 00:56:55,246
And, of course,
1653
00:56:52,492 --> 00:56:55,246
the background of all of that
1654
00:56:55,287 --> 00:56:58,832
is we have to finish
1655
00:56:55,287 --> 00:56:58,832
the mission.
1656
00:56:58,874 --> 00:57:00,625
That time I spent up
1657
00:56:58,874 --> 00:57:00,625
in Jackson Hole with them
1658
00:57:00,667 --> 00:57:03,419
was just--
1659
00:57:00,667 --> 00:57:03,419
I could tell they were happy,
1660
00:57:03,461 --> 00:57:05,256
happier than Bob
1661
00:57:03,461 --> 00:57:05,256
had ever been.
1662
00:57:05,297 --> 00:57:07,049
And I don't know why
1663
00:57:05,297 --> 00:57:07,049
with a little girl,
1664
00:57:07,091 --> 00:57:08,967
but I guess that's his deal.
1665
00:57:09,009 --> 00:57:12,263
Mary Ann wanted her back
1666
00:57:09,009 --> 00:57:12,263
and was making a lot of fuss.
1667
00:57:12,304 --> 00:57:14,265
And she says-- I said:
1668
00:57:12,304 --> 00:57:14,265
"I think you better go home."
1669
00:57:14,306 --> 00:57:15,891
"No, if I do--
1670
00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:17,851
I'd rather kill myself
1671
00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:17,851
than go back home."
1672
00:57:18,894 --> 00:57:21,980
He put me on plane
1673
00:57:18,894 --> 00:57:21,980
and sent me to Salt Lake
1674
00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:24,275
and my mother came
1675
00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:24,275
and picked me up.
1676
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:26,610
She was angry.
1677
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:26,610
"I didn't wanna come home.
1678
00:57:26,651 --> 00:57:29,113
Don't wanna be here.
1679
00:57:26,651 --> 00:57:29,113
I want to go back up there."
1680
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,116
It was like she took on
1681
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,116
this different personality.
1682
00:57:33,117 --> 00:57:37,121
She just kept
1683
00:57:33,117 --> 00:57:37,121
escalating the tension.
1684
00:57:33,117 --> 00:57:37,121
It was a panic.
1685
00:57:37,162 --> 00:57:39,123
I had the whole weight
1686
00:57:37,162 --> 00:57:39,123
of the world on my shoulders.
1687
00:57:39,164 --> 00:57:40,791
I was supposed to save
1688
00:57:39,164 --> 00:57:40,791
this dying planet
1689
00:57:40,832 --> 00:57:42,209
and the clock was ticking.
1690
00:57:43,127 --> 00:57:45,212
He would not leave me alone.
1691
00:57:45,254 --> 00:57:47,423
He was going to have her
1692
00:57:45,254 --> 00:57:47,423
no matter what.
1693
00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:51,093
We'd never see her again.
1694
00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:51,093
He told me that.
1695
00:57:51,135 --> 00:57:53,011
"I'll take her
1696
00:57:51,135 --> 00:57:53,011
to the jungles of Africa.
1697
00:57:53,053 --> 00:57:54,888
I'll take her
1698
00:57:53,053 --> 00:57:54,888
to South America.
1699
00:57:54,930 --> 00:57:57,015
You'll never find us."
1700
00:57:57,057 --> 00:58:00,477
"Leave me alone.
1701
00:57:57,057 --> 00:58:00,477
Leave my children alone.
1702
00:58:00,518 --> 00:58:03,063
Stay out of our lives forever."
1703
00:58:03,105 --> 00:58:05,649
And he did not like that,
1704
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:08,110
because he didn't
1705
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:08,110
leave Jan alone.
1706
00:58:08,152 --> 00:58:11,322
And, uh, the result
1707
00:58:11,363 --> 00:58:14,158
was her disappearance
1708
00:58:11,363 --> 00:58:14,158
a second time.
1709
00:58:19,163 --> 00:58:21,957
She had only
1710
00:58:19,163 --> 00:58:21,957
been home a few weeks.
1711
00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:24,709
I was watching TV.
1712
00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:24,709
Everybody else went to bed,
1713
00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:27,712
and Jan came down the hall,
1714
00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:27,712
looked at me in there,
1715
00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:29,923
"Oh, come on in.
1716
00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:29,923
Come in and talk to me.
1717
00:58:29,965 --> 00:58:31,216
Tell me why you're so mad."
1718
00:58:31,258 --> 00:58:33,302
"No." Back to her room.
1719
00:58:33,344 --> 00:58:35,220
We went to bed, went to sleep.
1720
00:58:35,262 --> 00:58:37,764
Next morning, hollered down.
1721
00:58:37,806 --> 00:58:39,516
Bob always played the piano
1722
00:58:39,557 --> 00:58:42,060
if he had to and--
1723
00:58:39,557 --> 00:58:42,060
to wake 'em up.
1724
00:58:42,102 --> 00:58:45,522
She didn't come up.
1725
00:58:42,102 --> 00:58:45,522
Bob, I think, went--
1726
00:58:45,563 --> 00:58:47,983
was the one that
1727
00:58:45,563 --> 00:58:47,983
went downstairs,
1728
00:58:48,025 --> 00:58:49,818
and she wasn't there.
1729
00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:52,237
Instead, he found the note.
1730
00:58:52,279 --> 00:58:54,156
"Dear Bob and Mary Ann,
1731
00:58:54,198 --> 00:58:55,949
you won't let me
1732
00:58:54,198 --> 00:58:55,949
do what's right,
1733
00:58:55,991 --> 00:58:57,951
so I'll do what's wrong.
1734
00:58:57,993 --> 00:59:00,162
I'm leaving without B,
1735
00:59:00,204 --> 00:59:04,541
and do not plan on coming back
1736
00:59:00,204 --> 00:59:04,541
until you accept me as me.
1737
00:59:04,582 --> 00:59:08,379
I cannot accept your religion
1738
00:59:04,582 --> 00:59:08,379
or your screwed-up morals.
1739
00:59:08,420 --> 00:59:10,964
I just want to be me
1740
00:59:08,420 --> 00:59:10,964
and have B.
1741
00:59:11,006 --> 00:59:13,591
Please, before all of us
1742
00:59:11,006 --> 00:59:13,591
are destroyed,
1743
00:59:13,633 --> 00:59:16,553
let me go. Jan."
1744
00:59:16,594 --> 00:59:18,972
The note didn't sound like Jan.
1745
00:59:19,014 --> 00:59:21,975
I mean, it was like
1746
00:59:19,014 --> 00:59:21,975
he had written the note.
1747
00:59:22,017 --> 00:59:24,395
He called
1748
00:59:22,017 --> 00:59:24,395
that afternoon,
1749
00:59:24,436 --> 00:59:26,188
it was later in the day.
1750
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:28,273
He said Jan had called him,
1751
00:59:28,315 --> 00:59:31,776
told him that
1752
00:59:28,315 --> 00:59:31,776
she had run away from home
1753
00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:36,490
and that she would not
1754
00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:36,490
tell him where she was,
1755
00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:36,490
and he was worried.
1756
00:59:36,532 --> 00:59:38,783
He wanted me--
1757
00:59:36,532 --> 00:59:38,783
to know if I was worried,
1758
00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:40,035
"Worried sick."
1759
00:59:40,077 --> 00:59:41,495
Two or three days went by,
1760
00:59:41,537 --> 00:59:46,917
and it was
1761
00:59:41,537 --> 00:59:46,917
indescribable agony.
1762
00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:50,462
We just told people that
1763
00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:50,462
she was with her grandmother.
1764
00:59:50,504 --> 00:59:54,299
And of course,
1765
00:59:50,504 --> 00:59:54,299
it went on and on and on.
1766
00:59:54,341 --> 00:59:58,220
We were so afraid
1767
00:59:54,341 --> 00:59:58,220
that the word would be out
1768
00:59:58,262 --> 01:00:01,932
and that she was gone again.
1769
00:59:58,262 --> 01:00:01,932
Kidnapped.
1770
01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:04,893
We just didn't want that out
1771
01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:04,893
in the press at this point.
1772
01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:08,021
The Brobergs waited two weeks
1773
01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:08,021
before they called me
1774
01:00:08,063 --> 01:00:09,689
after she was gone this time.
1775
01:00:10,648 --> 01:00:12,359
I talked to Berchtold.
1776
01:00:12,401 --> 01:00:15,612
He's brokenhearted
1777
01:00:12,401 --> 01:00:15,612
that she's disappeared.
1778
01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:17,822
"You better catch her.
1779
01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:17,822
You better find her.
1780
01:00:17,864 --> 01:00:19,908
Somebody's got her."
1781
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:22,869
I knew darn well that he was
1782
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:22,869
right in the middle of it.
1783
01:00:29,667 --> 01:00:31,628
Then he got some
1784
01:00:29,667 --> 01:00:31,628
good behavior time.
1785
01:00:31,669 --> 01:00:34,047
I think he only spent
1786
01:00:31,669 --> 01:00:34,047
10 days in jail.
1787
01:00:34,089 --> 01:00:37,801
And he moved to Salt Lake City
1788
01:00:34,089 --> 01:00:37,801
to live in his motor home,
1789
01:00:37,842 --> 01:00:39,636
and he disappears.
1790
01:00:39,677 --> 01:00:41,305
But we had no idea
1791
01:00:41,346 --> 01:00:43,890
where Jan
1792
01:00:41,346 --> 01:00:43,890
or Bob Berchtold were.
1793
01:00:43,932 --> 01:00:46,935
He called me
1794
01:00:43,932 --> 01:00:46,935
so regularly and cried.
1795
01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:49,062
I called Pete Welsh
1796
01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:49,062
and told him.
1797
01:00:49,104 --> 01:00:51,273
"Just keep
1798
01:00:49,104 --> 01:00:51,273
taking those phone calls."
1799
01:00:51,315 --> 01:00:57,154
The FBI installed
1800
01:00:51,315 --> 01:00:57,154
tape recorders on the phone
1801
01:00:51,315 --> 01:00:57,154
at the Broberg home.
1802
01:01:49,581 --> 01:01:51,875
This continued
1803
01:01:49,581 --> 01:01:51,875
for about three months.
1804
01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:32,249
And it was continual.
1805
01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:36,044
It was continually
1806
01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:36,044
a bombardment on my emotions.
1807
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,206
We were desperate to
1808
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,206
find that little girl.
1809
01:03:21,256 --> 01:03:25,636
It took us quite some
1810
01:03:21,256 --> 01:03:25,636
time to search all the trailer
1811
01:03:21,256 --> 01:03:25,636
parks in Salt Lake City area
1812
01:03:25,677 --> 01:03:28,555
and finally found
1813
01:03:25,677 --> 01:03:28,555
the one where he was.
1814
01:03:28,597 --> 01:03:30,807
And we, of course,
1815
01:03:28,597 --> 01:03:30,807
didn't knock on the door.
1816
01:03:30,848 --> 01:03:36,480
We put a surveillance unit
1817
01:03:30,848 --> 01:03:36,480
on the motor home 24/7.
1818
01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:38,356
Two or three weeks
1819
01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:38,356
into the surveillance,
1820
01:03:38,398 --> 01:03:41,234
an agent from Salt Lake City
1821
01:03:38,398 --> 01:03:41,234
knocked on the door.
1822
01:03:41,276 --> 01:03:43,570
Berchtold let him
1823
01:03:41,276 --> 01:03:43,570
in the motor home
1824
01:03:43,612 --> 01:03:46,657
to ask if he'd seen Jan,
1825
01:03:43,612 --> 01:03:46,657
and he said no.
1826
01:03:46,698 --> 01:03:49,284
We knew that he knew
1827
01:03:46,698 --> 01:03:49,284
where she was.
1828
01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:51,536
We knew that.
1829
01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:51,536
I mean, he was in love with her.
1830
01:03:51,578 --> 01:03:53,037
If he thought there was
1831
01:03:51,578 --> 01:03:53,037
something wrong with her,
1832
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:54,706
he'd be looking for her.
1833
01:03:56,124 --> 01:03:59,836
He had great, big,
1834
01:03:56,124 --> 01:03:59,836
huge poster-size pictures
1835
01:03:59,877 --> 01:04:02,756
of Jan inside
1836
01:03:59,877 --> 01:04:02,756
of his motor home,
1837
01:04:02,798 --> 01:04:04,841
kind of like a mausoleum,
1838
01:04:04,882 --> 01:04:08,470
like a worship area.
1839
01:04:08,512 --> 01:04:11,264
But he didn't know
1840
01:04:08,512 --> 01:04:11,264
where she was.
1841
01:04:11,306 --> 01:04:15,519
Jan had been gone
1842
01:04:11,306 --> 01:04:15,519
for many months
1843
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,771
when our phone rang.
1844
01:05:39,603 --> 01:05:41,605
Love you Jan.
1845
01:05:39,603 --> 01:05:41,605
Okay. Love you, honey.
1846
01:05:49,987 --> 01:05:52,657
The surveillance is
1847
01:05:49,987 --> 01:05:52,657
ongoing in Salt Lake City,
1848
01:05:53,909 --> 01:05:58,162
and agents observed Robert
1849
01:05:53,909 --> 01:05:58,162
Berchtold walk across the road
1850
01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:01,165
to a pay phone located
1851
01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:01,165
at a Husky gas station
1852
01:06:01,207 --> 01:06:02,250
in Salt Lake City.
1853
01:06:03,585 --> 01:06:06,588
He had gone to a phone booth,
1854
01:06:03,585 --> 01:06:06,588
made a phone call,
1855
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:11,384
and he was on the phone
1856
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:11,384
for about 10 - 12 minutes.
1857
01:06:11,426 --> 01:06:14,971
When he left the phone booth,
1858
01:06:11,426 --> 01:06:14,971
he left the phone book open
1859
01:06:15,012 --> 01:06:16,681
and there was a number
1860
01:06:15,012 --> 01:06:16,681
written on there.
1861
01:06:16,723 --> 01:06:20,184
We traced the number
1862
01:06:16,723 --> 01:06:20,184
to Pasadena, California,
1863
01:06:20,226 --> 01:06:22,437
to a Catholic girls' school,
1864
01:06:22,479 --> 01:06:24,481
and we called.
1865
01:06:24,522 --> 01:06:25,941
And the Catholic school said:
1866
01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:27,859
"There's nobody here
1867
01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:27,859
by that name."
1868
01:06:27,901 --> 01:06:30,403
We explained
1869
01:06:27,901 --> 01:06:30,403
the circumstances,
1870
01:06:30,445 --> 01:06:31,947
and explained them,
1871
01:06:30,445 --> 01:06:31,947
and explained them.
1872
01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:33,698
"She probably there
1873
01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:33,698
under an alias."
1874
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:37,243
Come to find out she was
1875
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:37,243
under the name Jan Tobler.
1876
01:06:38,662 --> 01:06:41,706
The day that I was
1877
01:06:38,662 --> 01:06:41,706
kidnapped the second time...
1878
01:06:43,333 --> 01:06:45,418
I opened the bedroom window.
1879
01:06:46,544 --> 01:06:50,632
He was there and basically
1880
01:06:46,544 --> 01:06:50,632
helped me out the window,
1881
01:06:50,674 --> 01:06:52,676
got into
1882
01:06:50,674 --> 01:06:52,676
his Lincoln Continental
1883
01:06:52,717 --> 01:06:58,014
and away he drove.
1884
01:06:52,717 --> 01:06:58,014
We drove to California.
1885
01:06:58,055 --> 01:07:04,020
He enrolled me into an all-girls
1886
01:06:58,055 --> 01:07:04,020
Catholic boarding school.
1887
01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:06,481
She was far enough away
1888
01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:06,481
from Pocatello
1889
01:07:06,523 --> 01:07:08,065
that we didn't know
1890
01:07:06,523 --> 01:07:08,065
where she was,
1891
01:07:08,107 --> 01:07:10,234
but Berchtold was
1892
01:07:08,107 --> 01:07:10,234
close enough to her
1893
01:07:10,276 --> 01:07:12,904
that he could visit her
1894
01:07:10,276 --> 01:07:12,904
on the weekends.
1895
01:07:12,946 --> 01:07:18,242
And he told the nuns
1896
01:07:12,946 --> 01:07:18,242
that I was, uhm, his daughter
1897
01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:21,663
and that he was a CIA agent,
1898
01:07:21,705 --> 01:07:24,248
and that we had escaped
1899
01:07:21,705 --> 01:07:24,248
from Lebanon during the,
1900
01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:26,459
this was during
1901
01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:26,459
the Lebanon crisis,
1902
01:07:26,501 --> 01:07:28,378
and that my mother
1903
01:07:26,501 --> 01:07:28,378
had been killed,
1904
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,255
and that he would
1905
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,255
appreciate them
1906
01:07:31,297 --> 01:07:34,676
taking good care of me,
1907
01:07:31,297 --> 01:07:34,676
because he still had to go,
1908
01:07:34,718 --> 01:07:37,804
you know, do his CIA work,
1909
01:07:34,718 --> 01:07:37,804
but he would come
1910
01:07:34,718 --> 01:07:37,804
on the weekends.
1911
01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:41,265
And basically set up
1912
01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:41,265
the story for the nuns
1913
01:07:41,307 --> 01:07:44,686
so that if anyone were
1914
01:07:41,307 --> 01:07:44,686
to come to the school,
1915
01:07:44,728 --> 01:07:48,899
maybe looking for me, they had
1916
01:07:44,728 --> 01:07:48,899
to know that those were--
1917
01:07:44,728 --> 01:07:48,899
were the bad guys.
1918
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:51,526
Those were the people
1919
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:51,526
that were trying to get to him.
1920
01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:55,154
Agents of the FBI arrested
1921
01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:55,154
Berchtold the next day
1922
01:07:55,196 --> 01:07:58,742
for federal probation violation.
1923
01:07:55,196 --> 01:07:58,742
And he was taken to jail
1924
01:07:58,783 --> 01:08:01,494
and eventually
1925
01:07:58,783 --> 01:08:01,494
brought back to Pocatello.
1926
01:08:03,454 --> 01:08:07,083
A Pocatello policeman flew
1927
01:08:03,454 --> 01:08:07,083
to Pasadena, picked her up.
1928
01:08:07,124 --> 01:08:10,503
I was forced
1929
01:08:07,124 --> 01:08:10,503
onto the plane to go home.
1930
01:08:10,545 --> 01:08:12,964
And then when I was
1931
01:08:10,545 --> 01:08:12,964
brought back to Idaho,
1932
01:08:13,006 --> 01:08:16,718
I had to go through
1933
01:08:13,006 --> 01:08:16,718
the system there,
1934
01:08:13,006 --> 01:08:16,718
and I had to be fingerprinted.
1935
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,932
I had to go through this whole
1936
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,932
thing. I was put in jail,
1937
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,932
and then I was taken home.
1938
01:08:21,973 --> 01:08:27,311
Open the door, my mother was
1939
01:08:21,973 --> 01:08:27,311
standing at the kitchen sink.
1940
01:08:27,353 --> 01:08:29,606
I just walked
1941
01:08:27,353 --> 01:08:29,606
through the door,
1942
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:32,525
and I walked down the stairs,
1943
01:08:32,567 --> 01:08:34,318
down the hallway
1944
01:08:32,567 --> 01:08:34,318
to my back bedroom,
1945
01:08:35,445 --> 01:08:36,529
and I shut the door.
1946
01:08:37,572 --> 01:08:39,156
I was completely gone.
1947
01:08:42,994 --> 01:08:46,748
There really was
1948
01:08:42,994 --> 01:08:46,748
not the vivacious,
1949
01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:50,376
happy, fun...
1950
01:08:52,796 --> 01:08:55,090
There was nothing of that--
1951
01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:57,801
that child left.
1952
01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:57,801
That was gone.
1953
01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:04,348
The first time
1954
01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:04,348
that all this happened,
1955
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:05,850
she was herself.
1956
01:09:05,892 --> 01:09:07,978
The second time, she was a--
1957
01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:09,813
It was a totally
1958
01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:09,813
different experience.
1959
01:09:09,854 --> 01:09:12,523
That time was--
1960
01:09:09,854 --> 01:09:12,523
was a lot more stressful.
1961
01:09:13,524 --> 01:09:16,736
We weren't close.
1962
01:09:13,524 --> 01:09:16,736
We weren't like we had been.
1963
01:09:16,778 --> 01:09:19,072
She stayed away from me.
1964
01:09:19,114 --> 01:09:22,158
No hugging, no loving,
1965
01:09:19,114 --> 01:09:22,158
no talking.
1966
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:24,828
She was just so distant.
1967
01:09:24,869 --> 01:09:26,788
I guess the best way
1968
01:09:24,869 --> 01:09:26,788
to describe her
1969
01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:28,873
was she was hollow.
1970
01:09:30,083 --> 01:09:32,335
She was just
1971
01:09:30,083 --> 01:09:32,335
without feelings.
1972
01:09:33,628 --> 01:09:37,048
Our daughter was
1973
01:09:33,628 --> 01:09:37,048
emotionally gone.
1974
01:09:48,059 --> 01:09:50,979
The phone rang,
1975
01:09:48,059 --> 01:09:50,979
and one of my employees,
1976
01:09:51,021 --> 01:09:52,063
he was screaming.
1977
01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:56,985
He said:
1978
01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:56,985
"Bob, the store's on fire."
1979
01:09:57,027 --> 01:09:58,820
And by the time I got there,
1980
01:09:58,862 --> 01:10:00,697
the fire was very intense.
1981
01:10:01,781 --> 01:10:03,366
We were all there
1982
01:10:03,407 --> 01:10:06,161
standing out on the street,
1983
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:11,124
and I just remember looking
1984
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:11,124
at that burning building
1985
01:10:11,166 --> 01:10:16,420
and my dad just having his arms
1986
01:10:11,166 --> 01:10:16,420
around all four of us,
1987
01:10:16,462 --> 01:10:20,216
and saying--
1988
01:10:20,257 --> 01:10:23,845
And I remember this
1989
01:10:20,257 --> 01:10:23,845
very vividly.
1990
01:10:23,887 --> 01:10:26,514
And he just said:
1991
01:10:23,887 --> 01:10:26,514
"Let it burn. Let it burn.
1992
01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:28,558
Everything that I want,
1993
01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:32,687
everything that matters to me,
1994
01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:32,687
is right here in my arms."
1995
01:10:36,273 --> 01:10:39,652
And I remember thinking:
1996
01:10:36,273 --> 01:10:39,652
"This is my fault.
1997
01:10:39,694 --> 01:10:42,238
It's burning because
1998
01:10:39,694 --> 01:10:42,238
of something I did."
1999
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:47,284
I knew that Berchtold
2000
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:47,284
was behind it.
2001
01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:49,579
He was so angry that he--
2002
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:53,750
I think he told Mary Ann
2003
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:53,750
he was going to end my life
2004
01:10:53,791 --> 01:10:56,961
if I didn't give him
2005
01:10:53,791 --> 01:10:56,961
permission to see Jan.
2006
01:10:59,005 --> 01:11:01,174
He hated my position
2007
01:10:59,005 --> 01:11:01,174
as her father.
2008
01:11:02,508 --> 01:11:06,303
That hatred was criminal.
2009
01:11:12,727 --> 01:11:14,270
Well, I didn't think
2010
01:11:12,727 --> 01:11:14,270
Bob Broberg's life
2011
01:11:14,311 --> 01:11:15,688
was ever in danger
2012
01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:18,691
until his business
2013
01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:18,691
burned down.
2014
01:11:18,733 --> 01:11:21,819
And an investigation determined
2015
01:11:18,733 --> 01:11:21,819
that Bob Berchtold
2016
01:11:21,861 --> 01:11:24,447
had convinced two guys
2017
01:11:21,861 --> 01:11:24,447
who were in jail with him
2018
01:11:24,488 --> 01:11:27,909
he would give each one of them
2019
01:11:24,488 --> 01:11:27,909
a thousand dollars a month
2020
01:11:27,951 --> 01:11:30,078
if they burned down
2021
01:11:27,951 --> 01:11:30,078
Atkin Florist,
2022
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,455
which Bob Broberg owned.
2023
01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:34,582
And they did.
2024
01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:34,582
They not only did that,
2025
01:11:34,624 --> 01:11:36,793
they burned down a whole
2026
01:11:34,624 --> 01:11:36,793
half a block of Pocatello.
2027
01:11:37,877 --> 01:11:39,921
They were convicted
2028
01:11:37,877 --> 01:11:39,921
and sent to prison,
2029
01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:42,548
but we could not
2030
01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:42,548
pin it on Berchtold.
2031
01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:47,178
Robert Berchtold, charged
2032
01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:47,178
with first-degree kidnapping
2033
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:51,515
on the August 10th disappearance
2034
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:51,515
of then 14-year-old Jan Broberg,
2035
01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:53,977
is being held today
2036
01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:53,977
at the Bannock County Jail...
2037
01:11:54,018 --> 01:11:55,979
Motion to dismiss the charge
2038
01:11:54,018 --> 01:11:55,979
of first-degree kidnapping
2039
01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:58,940
against Robert Berchtold has
2040
01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:58,940
been filed in six districts.
2041
01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:00,650
A federal warrant
2042
01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:00,650
charging impersonation
2043
01:12:00,691 --> 01:12:03,111
of a Central
2044
01:12:00,691 --> 01:12:03,111
Intelligence Agency agent
2045
01:12:03,153 --> 01:12:05,738
has been filed against Robert
2046
01:12:03,153 --> 01:12:05,738
Berchtold, a former Pocatello...
2047
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:07,949
A preliminary hearing
2048
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:07,949
started this morning
2049
01:12:07,991 --> 01:12:09,784
for Robert E. Berchtold,
2050
01:12:09,826 --> 01:12:12,162
charged with first-degree
2051
01:12:09,826 --> 01:12:12,162
kidnapping
2052
01:12:12,203 --> 01:12:14,455
in the August 10th kidnapping
2053
01:12:12,203 --> 01:12:14,455
of Jan Broberg.
2054
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:17,959
Robert Berchtold, a former
2055
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:17,959
Pocatello businessman,
2056
01:12:18,001 --> 01:12:20,753
Tuesday afternoon was acquitted
2057
01:12:18,001 --> 01:12:20,753
of first-degree kidnapping
2058
01:12:20,795 --> 01:12:22,922
by reason of mental defect,
2059
01:12:22,964 --> 01:12:26,968
according to an order signed
2060
01:12:22,964 --> 01:12:26,968
by Judge Arnold T Beebe.
2061
01:12:29,386 --> 01:12:32,765
Robert Berchtold skated
2062
01:12:29,386 --> 01:12:32,765
on a lot of things.
2063
01:12:32,807 --> 01:12:35,351
He beat the arson.
2064
01:12:35,392 --> 01:12:38,771
He beat
2065
01:12:35,392 --> 01:12:38,771
the CIA impersonation.
2066
01:12:38,813 --> 01:12:41,232
And he beat
2067
01:12:38,813 --> 01:12:41,232
both kidnapping charges.
2068
01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:47,488
I don't know how many people
2069
01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:47,488
in this town asked me:
2070
01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:47,488
"How did he get away with it?"
2071
01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:50,116
If the United States Attorney
2072
01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:50,116
would've been on his toes,
2073
01:12:51,034 --> 01:12:53,369
if the Brobergs would've
2074
01:12:51,034 --> 01:12:53,369
stood up for the fact that--
2075
01:12:53,410 --> 01:12:55,830
"Pete, we've had sexual
2076
01:12:53,410 --> 01:12:55,830
encounters with him",
2077
01:12:55,872 --> 01:13:00,376
we could've nipped it
2078
01:12:55,872 --> 01:13:00,376
by putting him away
2079
01:12:55,872 --> 01:13:00,376
and forgetting about him.
2080
01:13:00,417 --> 01:13:04,005
He would've been in there
2081
01:13:00,417 --> 01:13:04,005
20 years to life at least.
2082
01:14:14,325 --> 01:14:16,660
The mission still
2083
01:14:14,325 --> 01:14:16,660
hasn't been completed.
2084
01:14:16,702 --> 01:14:18,746
There was still some
2085
01:14:16,702 --> 01:14:18,746
communication with him.
2086
01:14:18,788 --> 01:14:20,123
Not as much.
2087
01:14:20,164 --> 01:14:22,666
I think he was losing interest.
2088
01:14:22,708 --> 01:14:24,085
I was getting older.
2089
01:14:25,378 --> 01:14:27,297
The summer I turned 16,
2090
01:14:27,338 --> 01:14:30,716
I had some of the experiences
2091
01:14:27,338 --> 01:14:30,716
that I needed
2092
01:14:30,758 --> 01:14:33,469
in order to question
2093
01:14:30,758 --> 01:14:33,469
the existence
2094
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:35,471
of the-- of the aliens.
2095
01:14:36,431 --> 01:14:39,683
I wanted to go to
2096
01:14:36,431 --> 01:14:39,683
this five week long drama camp
2097
01:14:39,725 --> 01:14:41,769
at Brigham Young University.
2098
01:14:41,811 --> 01:14:44,480
And it was a little scary
2099
01:14:41,811 --> 01:14:44,480
for us to think:
2100
01:14:44,521 --> 01:14:48,318
"Do we dare send her down
2101
01:14:44,521 --> 01:14:48,318
there?" But we decided,
2102
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:51,321
okay, it's time for her to,
2103
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:51,321
yes, go on her own,
2104
01:14:51,362 --> 01:14:55,158
and enjoy all of her friends
2105
01:14:51,362 --> 01:14:55,158
and the people
2106
01:14:51,362 --> 01:14:55,158
that were going there.
2107
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,493
And there was a boy
2108
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,493
in the play
2109
01:14:57,534 --> 01:15:00,288
that had been at the camp
2110
01:14:57,534 --> 01:15:00,288
who liked me,
2111
01:14:57,534 --> 01:15:00,288
and I knew he liked me.
2112
01:15:00,330 --> 01:15:05,501
And one day this boy bought
2113
01:15:00,330 --> 01:15:05,501
this ice cream for me.
2114
01:15:05,542 --> 01:15:10,506
"Oh, my gosh,
2115
01:15:05,542 --> 01:15:10,506
something horrible is now
2116
01:15:05,542 --> 01:15:10,506
going to happen."
2117
01:15:10,547 --> 01:15:14,385
I ran back to my dorm
2118
01:15:10,547 --> 01:15:14,385
and my mom called,
2119
01:15:14,427 --> 01:15:17,721
"The dogs are
2120
01:15:14,427 --> 01:15:17,721
having a bad day today.
2121
01:15:17,763 --> 01:15:20,724
I think I fed them
2122
01:15:17,763 --> 01:15:20,724
something bad."
2123
01:15:20,766 --> 01:15:23,686
Jan went to pieces
2124
01:15:20,766 --> 01:15:23,686
screaming and bawling.
2125
01:15:23,727 --> 01:15:25,646
"I've gotta come home.
2126
01:15:23,727 --> 01:15:25,646
I've gotta come home.
2127
01:15:25,688 --> 01:15:27,273
I shouldn't be here.
2128
01:15:25,688 --> 01:15:27,273
I shouldn't be here."
2129
01:15:27,315 --> 01:15:29,942
I cried and said:
2130
01:15:27,315 --> 01:15:29,942
"No, Mom, it's my fault."
2131
01:15:29,984 --> 01:15:33,696
And I went to sleep, and
2132
01:15:29,984 --> 01:15:33,696
in the morning my mom called
2133
01:15:33,737 --> 01:15:35,948
"I just wanted
2134
01:15:33,737 --> 01:15:35,948
to call and tell you
2135
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:38,493
that the dogs
2136
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:38,493
are doing fine."
2137
01:15:39,785 --> 01:15:41,537
At that moment,
2138
01:15:41,578 --> 01:15:45,916
I had a three-second thought.
2139
01:15:45,958 --> 01:15:49,545
"The dogs are fine.
2140
01:15:45,958 --> 01:15:49,545
Susan's still home.
2141
01:15:49,586 --> 01:15:53,757
Karen's not blind.
2142
01:15:49,586 --> 01:15:53,757
Dad isn't dead.
2143
01:15:53,799 --> 01:15:56,302
Are these people
2144
01:15:53,799 --> 01:15:56,302
still watching me?
2145
01:15:56,344 --> 01:15:57,803
Are they real?"
2146
01:15:57,845 --> 01:16:00,515
And then literally
2147
01:15:57,845 --> 01:16:00,515
the next thought
2148
01:16:00,556 --> 01:16:02,892
that came to me was:
2149
01:16:00,556 --> 01:16:02,892
"I'm just kidding.
2150
01:16:02,933 --> 01:16:04,060
I know you're real."
2151
01:16:05,186 --> 01:16:07,688
My birthday is happening.
2152
01:16:07,730 --> 01:16:10,191
My 16th birthday.
2153
01:16:10,233 --> 01:16:12,902
I'm still pretty much
2154
01:16:10,233 --> 01:16:12,902
in a panic,
2155
01:16:12,943 --> 01:16:16,613
and I'm thinking,
2156
01:16:12,943 --> 01:16:16,613
"Okay, if I am not pregnant,
2157
01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:19,575
I'm going to get a gun,
2158
01:16:19,616 --> 01:16:22,828
I'm going to tell Susan
2159
01:16:19,616 --> 01:16:22,828
about the mission,
2160
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:25,706
and if she doesn't
2161
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:25,706
wanna do it,
2162
01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:29,001
then I'm going to kill her,
2163
01:16:29,043 --> 01:16:30,961
and then I'm going
2164
01:16:29,043 --> 01:16:30,961
to kill myself."
2165
01:16:32,088 --> 01:16:34,757
My birthday was on July 31st.
2166
01:16:34,798 --> 01:16:36,426
The next day I woke up,
2167
01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:39,053
everything
2168
01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:39,053
was still as normal,
2169
01:16:39,095 --> 01:16:41,097
and everybody
2170
01:16:39,095 --> 01:16:41,097
was still there.
2171
01:16:41,138 --> 01:16:42,557
Everybody was alive.
2172
01:16:44,641 --> 01:16:50,022
And just so many different
2173
01:16:44,641 --> 01:16:50,022
feelings and emotions
2174
01:16:50,064 --> 01:16:53,150
that I had
2175
01:16:50,064 --> 01:16:53,150
when I realized that--
2176
01:16:54,485 --> 01:16:55,819
that they weren't real.
2177
01:16:56,904 --> 01:17:00,241
I knew that I probably needed
2178
01:16:56,904 --> 01:17:00,241
to tell somebody,
2179
01:17:00,283 --> 01:17:03,827
but I-- I didn't know how
2180
01:17:00,283 --> 01:17:03,827
or who or when or--
2181
01:17:05,496 --> 01:17:10,834
I didn't--
2182
01:17:05,496 --> 01:17:10,834
I didn't know what to do.
2183
01:17:10,876 --> 01:17:15,631
I finally told my best
2184
01:17:10,876 --> 01:17:15,631
friend Caroline and Karen.
2185
01:17:15,672 --> 01:17:17,633
She just started talking
2186
01:17:15,672 --> 01:17:17,633
about this little girl
2187
01:17:17,674 --> 01:17:19,760
that had to have this baby,
2188
01:17:19,802 --> 01:17:22,597
and he was supposed to be
2189
01:17:19,802 --> 01:17:22,597
the one to help her do this
2190
01:17:22,638 --> 01:17:24,599
and accomplish this mission.
2191
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,268
And it was obvious
2192
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,268
that she did believe it.
2193
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,479
She did believe this was real.
2194
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,856
And then I said, "You have
2195
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,856
to go tell Mom and Dad."
2196
01:17:32,898 --> 01:17:35,067
She started relating
2197
01:17:32,898 --> 01:17:35,067
some of these things,
2198
01:17:35,109 --> 01:17:36,486
and I sat there and thought:
2199
01:17:36,527 --> 01:17:39,280
"Is this-- you know, really?
2200
01:17:39,322 --> 01:17:41,198
Is she really believing this?"
2201
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,284
And that little girl
2202
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,284
went to pieces.
2203
01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:45,536
She just sobbed and sobbed.
2204
01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:50,040
And it took at least two hours
2205
01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:50,040
to tell us about, you know,
2206
01:17:50,082 --> 01:17:54,504
15 - 20 minutes of what
2207
01:17:50,082 --> 01:17:54,504
we needed to hear.
2208
01:17:54,545 --> 01:17:59,300
Yeah, that night was very
2209
01:17:54,545 --> 01:17:59,300
significant and, you know,
2210
01:17:59,342 --> 01:18:03,262
something that has affected me
2211
01:17:59,342 --> 01:18:03,262
my whole life,
2212
01:18:03,304 --> 01:18:06,098
because it was--
2213
01:18:03,304 --> 01:18:06,098
it was not comfortable
2214
01:18:06,140 --> 01:18:07,891
to hear that
2215
01:18:06,140 --> 01:18:07,891
about your sister,
2216
01:18:07,933 --> 01:18:10,853
and have to have
2217
01:18:07,933 --> 01:18:10,853
those visions in your head,
2218
01:18:10,894 --> 01:18:13,897
and one that I don't think my
2219
01:18:10,894 --> 01:18:13,897
parents wanted to have either.
2220
01:18:13,939 --> 01:18:16,526
And I think that's why
2221
01:18:13,939 --> 01:18:16,526
they didn't probe more
2222
01:18:16,567 --> 01:18:18,110
when they knew
2223
01:18:16,567 --> 01:18:18,110
something had happened.
2224
01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,530
"Well, tell us
2225
01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,530
about what happened."
2226
01:18:20,571 --> 01:18:22,698
It's too painful.
2227
01:18:20,571 --> 01:18:22,698
It's too painful for them
2228
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:25,535
to realize that they allowed
2229
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:25,535
that to happen to her,
2230
01:18:25,576 --> 01:18:29,788
and, uhm,
2231
01:18:25,576 --> 01:18:29,788
they don't want to know.
2232
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:30,956
You know?
2233
01:18:35,169 --> 01:18:36,920
If I were to count up
2234
01:18:35,169 --> 01:18:36,920
the number of times
2235
01:18:36,962 --> 01:18:39,131
that Berchtold tried to engage
2236
01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:42,385
in a sexual manner with me,
2237
01:18:43,594 --> 01:18:48,140
between the two kidnappings,
2238
01:18:43,594 --> 01:18:48,140
in-between, and after,
2239
01:18:48,182 --> 01:18:51,977
it would be
2240
01:18:48,182 --> 01:18:51,977
more than 200 times.
2241
01:18:58,609 --> 01:19:03,030
The cycle of shame
2242
01:18:58,609 --> 01:19:03,030
and abuse ends with me.
2243
01:19:03,072 --> 01:19:06,283
My name is Jan Broberg,
2244
01:19:03,072 --> 01:19:06,283
and I was abducted
2245
01:19:03,072 --> 01:19:06,283
and brainwashed as a child
2246
01:19:06,325 --> 01:19:07,910
by a trusted family friend.
2247
01:19:07,951 --> 01:19:10,580
In the forward of our book,
2248
01:19:10,621 --> 01:19:13,207
Mom's book:
2249
01:19:10,621 --> 01:19:13,207
"Stolen Innocence"...
2250
01:19:13,249 --> 01:19:15,459
Mom and I started having
2251
01:19:13,249 --> 01:19:15,459
these long, long,
2252
01:19:15,501 --> 01:19:19,838
like, interview-like talks,
2253
01:19:15,501 --> 01:19:19,838
and she started writing.
2254
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,092
I began writing
2255
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,092
the book in earnest in the '90s,
2256
01:19:23,133 --> 01:19:26,596
and I finished it in 2003,
2257
01:19:26,637 --> 01:19:28,389
had it published,
2258
01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:31,892
and then we began speaking
2259
01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:31,892
at different events.
2260
01:19:31,934 --> 01:19:38,315
Statistically, did you know
2261
01:19:31,934 --> 01:19:38,315
that 4 out every 10 women
2262
01:19:31,934 --> 01:19:38,315
has been sexually abused?
2263
01:19:38,357 --> 01:19:41,277
And Berchtold began
2264
01:19:38,357 --> 01:19:41,277
showing up at--
2265
01:19:41,318 --> 01:19:43,987
trying to show up at different
2266
01:19:41,318 --> 01:19:43,987
events where we were speaking.
2267
01:19:44,029 --> 01:19:47,742
Even though their
2268
01:19:44,029 --> 01:19:47,742
nightmare began when
2269
01:19:44,029 --> 01:19:47,742
Jan was just 12 years old,
2270
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:51,787
the Brobergs say the attacks
2271
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:51,787
still continue. The latest was
2272
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:51,787
this weekend...
2273
01:19:51,828 --> 01:19:54,331
Berchtold said:
2274
01:19:51,828 --> 01:19:54,331
"If you let these people speak,
2275
01:19:54,373 --> 01:19:56,584
they're telling a lie.
2276
01:19:54,373 --> 01:19:56,584
The book is not true."
2277
01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:10,180
Berchtold
2278
01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:10,180
began threatening us.
2279
01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:11,974
"If you don't shut
2280
01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:11,974
this book down
2281
01:20:12,015 --> 01:20:13,850
or get rid of your book,
2282
01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,853
I'm going to make your life
2283
01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,853
as miserable as possible."
2284
01:20:16,895 --> 01:20:18,648
Mary Ann says Berchtold
2285
01:20:18,689 --> 01:20:20,065
canvassed
2286
01:20:18,689 --> 01:20:20,065
the city of Pocatello
2287
01:20:20,107 --> 01:20:21,651
distributing these flyers
2288
01:20:21,692 --> 01:20:23,235
that contained
2289
01:20:21,692 --> 01:20:23,235
false statements
2290
01:20:23,277 --> 01:20:24,695
and libelous information,
2291
01:20:24,737 --> 01:20:26,822
information that Berchtold
2292
01:20:26,863 --> 01:20:28,115
was given total access
2293
01:20:28,157 --> 01:20:29,950
to the Brobergs' daughter
2294
01:20:29,992 --> 01:20:32,953
in exchange for sexual favors
2295
01:20:29,992 --> 01:20:32,953
with her parents.
2296
01:20:32,995 --> 01:20:36,873
And that's how I came to
2297
01:20:32,995 --> 01:20:36,873
file a stalking injunction.
2298
01:20:36,915 --> 01:20:39,251
And I had to go to court,
2299
01:20:36,915 --> 01:20:39,251
because he contested it.
2300
01:20:39,293 --> 01:20:42,838
I think he actually wanted
2301
01:20:39,293 --> 01:20:42,838
to just see me up close.
2302
01:20:42,879 --> 01:20:45,675
It was so horrifying.
2303
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:48,719
Mr. Berchtold has remained
2304
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:48,719
a threat and danger
2305
01:20:48,761 --> 01:20:50,220
to me and my family.
2306
01:20:50,262 --> 01:20:52,515
It is a constant
2307
01:20:50,262 --> 01:20:52,515
and continuous concern
2308
01:20:52,556 --> 01:20:55,267
that has escalated
2309
01:20:52,556 --> 01:20:55,267
in recent months.
2310
01:20:55,309 --> 01:20:57,687
I hadn't seen the man
2311
01:20:55,309 --> 01:20:57,687
for 30 years,
2312
01:20:57,728 --> 01:21:01,148
and for about the first
2313
01:20:57,728 --> 01:21:01,148
five minutes
2314
01:20:57,728 --> 01:21:01,148
I was shaking like a leaf.
2315
01:21:02,566 --> 01:21:06,487
You know this is quite a story.
2316
01:21:02,566 --> 01:21:06,487
And you have sold a lot of books
2317
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:09,824
- because of the story, right?
2318
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:09,824
We've sold a few books,
2319
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:13,160
not enough to make back
2320
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:13,160
the investment that
2321
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:13,160
we paid to publish the story.
2322
01:21:13,202 --> 01:21:16,163
Okay, you told
2323
01:21:13,202 --> 01:21:16,163
ABC News that you were
2324
01:21:13,202 --> 01:21:16,163
going to make a movie.
2325
01:21:16,205 --> 01:21:18,999
Is that correct?
2326
01:21:16,205 --> 01:21:18,999
I didn't tell
2327
01:21:16,205 --> 01:21:18,999
ABC News that.
2328
01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:22,837
I told them that there might
2329
01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:22,837
be offers for that. It could
2330
01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:22,837
happen. I don't know.
2331
01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:25,715
Is this your goal?
2332
01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:25,715
This my goal?
2333
01:21:25,756 --> 01:21:28,551
My goal, Mr. Berchtold,
2334
01:21:25,756 --> 01:21:28,551
is to educate the public
2335
01:21:28,592 --> 01:21:30,553
about predators like you.
2336
01:21:30,594 --> 01:21:31,970
That is my goal.
2337
01:21:33,764 --> 01:21:35,725
Oh, I see.
2338
01:21:35,766 --> 01:21:37,059
I hope you do see.
2339
01:21:38,561 --> 01:21:40,270
I hope you do.
2340
01:21:40,312 --> 01:21:41,522
I cannot believe that you can
2341
01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:42,523
look me in the eye.
2342
01:21:42,565 --> 01:21:44,233
You have no soul.
2343
01:21:46,151 --> 01:21:48,738
Jan, I'm sorry
2344
01:21:46,151 --> 01:21:48,738
that you feel that way,
2345
01:21:48,779 --> 01:21:52,324
and I would like
2346
01:21:48,779 --> 01:21:52,324
to publicly apologize to you
2347
01:21:52,366 --> 01:21:55,244
for the hurt that
2348
01:21:52,366 --> 01:21:55,244
I have given you.
2349
01:21:55,285 --> 01:21:58,247
If you want to apologize,
2350
01:21:55,285 --> 01:21:58,247
then you should stand up,
2351
01:21:58,288 --> 01:22:01,709
tell the truth, and serve your
2352
01:21:58,288 --> 01:22:01,709
time in jail, Mr. Berchtold.
2353
01:22:04,294 --> 01:22:06,338
And I got
2354
01:22:04,294 --> 01:22:06,338
the stalking injunction,
2355
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:08,340
not for the three years
2356
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:08,340
which was customary,
2357
01:22:08,382 --> 01:22:10,467
but for the remainder
2358
01:22:08,382 --> 01:22:10,467
of his life.
2359
01:22:10,509 --> 01:22:14,346
An unusual confrontation
2360
01:22:10,509 --> 01:22:14,346
this weekend in southern Utah.
2361
01:22:14,388 --> 01:22:17,767
A woman speaks about
2362
01:22:14,388 --> 01:22:17,767
being abused as a child
2363
01:22:17,808 --> 01:22:20,895
when her accused kidnapper
2364
01:22:17,808 --> 01:22:20,895
reportedly shows up
2365
01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:23,980
and starts a clash
2366
01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:23,980
with her biker security force.
2367
01:22:24,022 --> 01:22:27,693
Jan Broberg-Felt, the speaker
2368
01:22:24,022 --> 01:22:27,693
at a women's conference
2369
01:22:27,735 --> 01:22:30,780
at Dixie College,
2370
01:22:27,735 --> 01:22:30,780
protected today by BACA,
2371
01:22:30,821 --> 01:22:32,823
Bikers Against Child Abuse.
2372
01:22:32,865 --> 01:22:35,158
BACA members
2373
01:22:32,865 --> 01:22:35,158
were outside the event
2374
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,661
when a man named
2375
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,661
Robert Berchtold is accused
2376
01:22:37,703 --> 01:22:39,622
of driving up
2377
01:22:37,703 --> 01:22:39,622
and making threats.
2378
01:22:39,663 --> 01:22:42,792
The perpetrator ran over
2379
01:22:39,663 --> 01:22:42,792
one of our BACA members
2380
01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:44,334
and then proceeded
2381
01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:44,334
to drive off.
2382
01:22:44,376 --> 01:22:46,169
One of the bikers
2383
01:22:44,376 --> 01:22:46,169
recognized him and says:
2384
01:22:46,211 --> 01:22:47,838
"That's Berchtold.
2385
01:22:46,211 --> 01:22:47,838
Let's get him!"
2386
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,800
And jumped on the hood of--
2387
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,800
he had a Dodge van.
2388
01:22:50,841 --> 01:22:52,384
And they jumped up on the front
2389
01:22:52,426 --> 01:22:53,886
and was holding on
2390
01:22:52,426 --> 01:22:53,886
to the windshield wipers.
2391
01:22:53,928 --> 01:22:55,971
So, he sped up
2392
01:22:53,928 --> 01:22:55,971
and then stopped fast,
2393
01:22:56,012 --> 01:22:57,848
and the guy fell off
2394
01:22:56,012 --> 01:22:57,848
and he got hurt.
2395
01:22:57,890 --> 01:23:00,601
So, they called the cops.
2396
01:22:57,890 --> 01:23:00,601
Bob did have a gun.
2397
01:23:06,022 --> 01:23:08,108
We, the jury
2398
01:23:06,022 --> 01:23:08,108
duly impaneled in this case,
2399
01:23:08,150 --> 01:23:10,611
find the defendant
2400
01:23:08,150 --> 01:23:10,611
Robert E. Berchtold
2401
01:23:10,653 --> 01:23:12,613
guilty of the offense
2402
01:23:10,653 --> 01:23:12,613
of possession of a firearm
2403
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,616
by a restricted person by proof
2404
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,616
beyond reasonable doubt.
2405
01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:19,829
Count two, we, the jury duly
2406
01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:19,829
impaneled in this case, find
2407
01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:19,829
the defendant Robert Berchtold
2408
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:23,373
guilty of the offense
2409
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:23,373
of aggravated assault by proof
2410
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:23,373
beyond a reasonable doubt.
2411
01:23:23,415 --> 01:23:25,626
Bob had gone to
2412
01:23:23,415 --> 01:23:25,626
court that day and found guilty.
2413
01:23:25,668 --> 01:23:28,629
And then says:
2414
01:23:25,668 --> 01:23:28,629
"You gotta come back next week
2415
01:23:25,668 --> 01:23:28,629
and we'll sentence you."
2416
01:23:28,671 --> 01:23:32,215
"If it's one day in
2417
01:23:28,671 --> 01:23:32,215
prison, it's gonna kill me.
2418
01:23:32,257 --> 01:23:33,509
I'm not going there."
2419
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:35,636
He had taken all
2420
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:35,636
his heart medicine
2421
01:23:35,678 --> 01:23:38,639
and drank Kahlúa and milk,
2422
01:23:38,681 --> 01:23:41,183
and so he drank that and died.
2423
01:23:41,224 --> 01:23:43,059
He committed suicide.
2424
01:23:49,065 --> 01:23:52,027
When I heard
2425
01:23:49,065 --> 01:23:52,027
that he had killed himself,
2426
01:23:52,068 --> 01:23:55,238
I just felt a number
2427
01:23:52,068 --> 01:23:55,238
of emotions.
2428
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,868
I cried, and I felt
2429
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,868
completely sorry
2430
01:23:58,909 --> 01:24:03,330
for all of the people
2431
01:23:58,909 --> 01:24:03,330
that his actions had affected.
2432
01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:06,667
We have had six women
2433
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:09,044
contact us to tell us
2434
01:24:09,085 --> 01:24:11,881
that they were sexually
2435
01:24:09,085 --> 01:24:11,881
assaulted and abused
2436
01:24:11,922 --> 01:24:14,925
as little girls
2437
01:24:11,922 --> 01:24:14,925
by Robert Berchtold.
2438
01:24:16,927 --> 01:24:21,891
He actually was found guilty
2439
01:24:16,927 --> 01:24:21,891
of rape of a child
2440
01:24:21,932 --> 01:24:24,476
in the case
2441
01:24:21,932 --> 01:24:24,476
of one of those girls,
2442
01:24:24,518 --> 01:24:26,102
and spent one year in jail.
2443
01:24:28,438 --> 01:24:30,399
One year.
2444
01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:31,901
Have you forgiven him?
2445
01:24:33,944 --> 01:24:35,905
Forgiveness is a tricky word.
2446
01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:39,241
In my mind...
2447
01:24:41,117 --> 01:24:43,704
not forgiving somebody
2448
01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:48,166
only puts up the jail cell
2449
01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:48,166
kind of around you.
2450
01:24:49,626 --> 01:24:52,295
I figured out that I can live
2451
01:24:49,626 --> 01:24:52,295
with my tragedy
2452
01:24:52,337 --> 01:24:55,966
in a way that the tragedy
2453
01:24:52,337 --> 01:24:55,966
doesn't run me anymore.
2454
01:24:57,217 --> 01:24:59,720
It's taken something
2455
01:24:57,217 --> 01:24:59,720
to get here.
2456
01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:05,392
The way I came
2457
01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:05,392
to forgive my parents
2458
01:25:05,434 --> 01:25:08,520
was by helping them
2459
01:25:05,434 --> 01:25:08,520
to forgive themselves.
2460
01:25:08,562 --> 01:25:11,314
Yes, they made mistakes,
2461
01:25:11,356 --> 01:25:14,150
but it's one thing
2462
01:25:11,356 --> 01:25:14,150
to make a mistake
2463
01:25:14,192 --> 01:25:16,737
kind of as two innocent people.
2464
01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:21,116
It's another thing to make
2465
01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:21,116
a mistake when somebody's
2466
01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:21,116
orchestrating you
2467
01:25:21,157 --> 01:25:24,787
and playing your emotions
2468
01:25:21,157 --> 01:25:24,787
and feelings.
2469
01:25:24,828 --> 01:25:26,747
I think it's the hardest
2470
01:25:24,828 --> 01:25:26,747
for my dad.
2471
01:25:27,998 --> 01:25:31,585
He'd get so angry
2472
01:25:27,998 --> 01:25:31,585
because he felt so stupid.
2473
01:25:32,795 --> 01:25:35,130
"Why didn't I see it?"
2474
01:25:32,795 --> 01:25:35,130
You know?
2475
01:25:35,171 --> 01:25:38,133
"Dads are supposed to protect
2476
01:25:35,171 --> 01:25:38,133
their little girls."
2477
01:25:38,174 --> 01:25:40,135
"He was a master."
2478
01:25:40,176 --> 01:25:41,929
He was just a master
2479
01:25:40,176 --> 01:25:41,929
manipulator.
2480
01:25:44,598 --> 01:25:47,517
Berchtold had worked
2481
01:25:44,598 --> 01:25:47,517
on my mother for years.
2482
01:25:49,185 --> 01:25:51,354
He was very good
2483
01:25:49,185 --> 01:25:51,354
at just creating
2484
01:25:51,396 --> 01:25:53,523
that kind of a smoke screen
2485
01:25:53,565 --> 01:25:56,110
so that he could do
2486
01:25:53,565 --> 01:25:56,110
what he wanted to do with Jan.
2487
01:25:57,402 --> 01:25:59,529
He was so believable.
2488
01:25:59,571 --> 01:26:03,158
And to know he could manipulate
2489
01:25:59,571 --> 01:26:03,158
adults the way that he did
2490
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,577
and make all of them
2491
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,577
believe him,
2492
01:26:05,619 --> 01:26:08,330
then you can imagine
2493
01:26:05,619 --> 01:26:08,330
what he could do with children.
2494
01:26:08,371 --> 01:26:13,002
It would've been different
2495
01:26:08,371 --> 01:26:13,002
if Jan hadn't been kidnapped,
2496
01:26:08,371 --> 01:26:13,002
I'm certain,
2497
01:26:13,043 --> 01:26:15,838
but I didn't feel
2498
01:26:13,043 --> 01:26:15,838
cheated out of my childhood.
2499
01:26:15,879 --> 01:26:18,173
I'm incredibly lucky.
2500
01:26:18,214 --> 01:26:22,011
I'm blessed with
2501
01:26:18,214 --> 01:26:22,011
those parents of mine
2502
01:26:22,052 --> 01:26:24,554
and my sisters.
2503
01:26:24,596 --> 01:26:28,600
I think we did
2504
01:26:24,596 --> 01:26:28,600
a few things right
2505
01:26:28,642 --> 01:26:31,186
among the mistakes.
2506
01:26:31,227 --> 01:26:33,814
We loved Jan,
2507
01:26:31,227 --> 01:26:33,814
and that made the difference.
2508
01:26:33,856 --> 01:26:35,816
I guess
2509
01:26:33,856 --> 01:26:35,816
that's the bottom line,
2510
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:40,320
because it's
2511
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:40,320
such a bizarre thing.
2512
01:26:42,656 --> 01:26:45,200
But we lived it.
2513
01:26:45,241 --> 01:26:46,660
It's all true.
2514
01:26:48,411 --> 01:26:52,666
I have always said
2515
01:26:48,411 --> 01:26:52,666
if it hadn't been for me,
2516
01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,836
that wouldn't have happened.
2517
01:26:55,878 --> 01:26:57,796
I felt responsible.
2518
01:26:57,838 --> 01:27:01,424
Seeing the hurt
2519
01:26:57,838 --> 01:27:01,424
that came to her
2520
01:27:01,466 --> 01:27:04,053
and has been upon her
2521
01:27:04,094 --> 01:27:06,221
through all these years
2522
01:27:06,262 --> 01:27:09,307
because I allowed that man
2523
01:27:06,262 --> 01:27:09,307
to come into my home--
2524
01:27:09,349 --> 01:27:11,185
I know my husband
2525
01:27:09,349 --> 01:27:11,185
feels that way,
2526
01:27:11,226 --> 01:27:16,857
but I don't think I can ever
2527
01:27:11,226 --> 01:27:16,857
really forgive myself
2528
01:27:16,899 --> 01:27:19,317
for letting that happen.
2529
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:23,072
You know, it's ironic
2530
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:23,072
that the one person
2531
01:27:23,113 --> 01:27:25,074
that I would most like
2532
01:27:23,113 --> 01:27:25,074
to forget about
2533
01:27:25,115 --> 01:27:29,119
and never have pass through
2534
01:27:25,115 --> 01:27:29,119
my mind ever again,
2535
01:27:30,704 --> 01:27:35,834
is probably the person
2536
01:27:30,704 --> 01:27:35,834
that I think about every day.