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January 23, 1984.
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It was a day that
changed my life forever.
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...The muscle,
the moral courage that built
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the greatest, freest nation
the world has ever known.
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Ronald Reagan
was our President
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and there was trouble
brewing in Iran.
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I was just a kid,
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but I knew
who was behind it.
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His name was
The Iron Sheik.
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From Tehran, Iran,
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weighing 258 lbs,
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The Iron Sheik!
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They have a lot of
hate in their hearts for this man.
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Iran-- number one!
U.S.A.--
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You see, Reagan
may have freed the hostages
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but The Sheik still had
the championship belt.
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There was only one man
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that could save us.
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# I am a real
American... #
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From Venice
Beach, California,
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the incredible
Hulk Hogan!
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And the
Hulkster rips off that shirt.
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But three
minutes into the match
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Hulk Hogan was locked in
the dreaded camel clutch.
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It's over for the Hulk.
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This move would snap
the back of a normal man,
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But this wasn't
a normal man.
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This was Hulk Hogan
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and he was fighting
for our country.
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The Hulkster got out
of the camel clutch
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with the Sheik
on his back,
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dropped the big leg
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and he pinned
the Sheik.
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Hulkamania was born
and the message was clear--
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You don't mess
with Hulk Hogan
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and you certainly
don't mess with America.
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I must break you.
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Look what
happened to Ivan Drago.
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He tried to mess
with America
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and Rocky
kicked his ass.
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And then when the Vietnamese
were holding P.O.W.S
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Rambo went in and
he kicked their ass.
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And in the spirit
of Rambo
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let me tell you we're
gonna win this time.
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Then came
Arnold Schwarzenegger,
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The ultimate
ass-kicker.
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I never saw "Gone With
the Wind" or "Casablanca,"
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but I can tell you every
line of every Arnold movie.
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"Crush your enemies, see
them driven before you
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and hear the lamentations
of the women."
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"Dylan,
you son of a bitch."
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And they go bam! And they're all oiled
up and their veins are popping out.
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I have the power!
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Better, Stronger, Faster.
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I was just 12 years old
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and there was an explosion
of ass-kicking in America.
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And like
our Olympic athletes
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we set our sights
on the stars
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and we're going
for the gold.
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# the eye of the tiger. #
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I wanted to
tear off my shirt
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and be ripped, tanned
and larger than life.
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But in reality
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I was a fat, pale kid
from Poughkeepsie.
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You see, I come from
an overweight family.
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My parents were always a
little on the heavy side.
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I couldn't ask
for a better mom.
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She did everything
for her three boys.
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We went to church
three times a week
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and she even taught
Sunday school.
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My dad was always
there for us too
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and he even coached
our little league teams.
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I love my dad, but he
was never really my hero.
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I didn't want
to be like him.
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I wanted to be
like Arnold.
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Problem is, I was always
too small, too short.
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People would say, "Hey, Little Bell.
What's up, Little Bell?"
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And I didn't want
to be Little Bell.
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I wanted to be
Big Bell.
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My older brother Mike
was a little chubby
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and every morning
when he went to school
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he'd get on the bus and the
kids would call him Pugsley.
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He didn't like that
too much,
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so he beat
some of those kids up.
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That's where he got
the nickname "Mad Dog."
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Mark was
the baby of the family.
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He had a hard time
in school.
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He was separated
from his friends
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and put in the class
with the special kids.
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It didn't make him feel
very special at all.
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He hated school,
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So he spent all of his
time playing sports.
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He'd come to the dinner
table dripping with sweat.
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Mad Dog and I
nicknamed him "Smelly."
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So I was the short kid,
Mad Dog was the fat kid
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And Smelly had
a learning disability.
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Okay, I get it.
We're never gonna make it, right?
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But for us, we knew
muscles were the answer
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and the Hulkster
showed us the way.
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Train, say your prayers,
eat your vitamins.
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Be true to yourself,
true to your country.
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Be a real American.
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So we started
training in the basement.
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We'd body-slam
each other,
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drop elbows, D.D.T.S
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Double noggin knocker,
the abdominal stretch,
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the iron claw,
the Boston crab
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the piledriver.
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And when Mad Dog
was too tough for me
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I would break out
the steel chair.
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My mom's brother John
was a bodybuilder
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and he gave me and my brothers
our first muscle magazines
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and showed us
how to work out.
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And the next Christmas
instead of video games
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we got the Hulkamania
workout set.
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Are you ready to feel the power?
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Ladies and gentlemen,
we are
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the power team!
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Mad Dog became the
captain of the football team
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and Smelly and I both started
competing in power lifting.
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Chris Bell is next at 425.
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Soon I was the
strongest kid in my high school.
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Then I broke
the New York State record.
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And that's when I first got
accused of using steroids.
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I knew guys who used
them, but they were losers.
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If my heroes didn't need
steroids then neither did I.
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By the time
I was a senior
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I was one of the strongest
kids in the country.
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Hulk Hogan was always
talking about
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"hanging and banging down at
Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, brother."
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I thought, "that's
where Arnold trains.
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that's where
I need to be."
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I was gonna be
an American hero
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And I was willing to do
whatever it takes.
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It's been 15 years
since I got to California
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and now
I'm 33 years old.
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When Arnold was 33
he'd already won
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the Mr. Olympia
seven times.
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Stallone had already made
"Rocky I and Rocky II."
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And the Hulkster
had already been
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the heavyweight champion
four years in a row.
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I really thought muscles
were gonna be the answer.
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But all they got me was a
job selling gym memberships.
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I still train
every day at Gold's,
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But the only thing left of Arnold
is a cheap mural on the wall
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and a bunch of guys telling
stories about the old days,
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like my buddy Paul.
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It's changed a lot in
all these years, you know.
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How long
have you been here?
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Since 1980.
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Of course, Arnold was
on the scene and Arnold--
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Nobody had ever seen anybody
who looked like Arnold.
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Sylvester Stallone had
just done the "Rocky" movies
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and he was the type of
guy that I could relate to.
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Paul even got a chance to
work with Sly in "Over the Top."
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I should be able to
blow them away real easy.
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I couldn't believe
the dream was coming true.
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And did you get a chance
to do it again?
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No, but I'm hoping
to get back in shape
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to be able to make that
a reality.
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You can be
on the street one day
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and you can be in the
penthouse the next.
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Anything's possible.
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This is
my humble abode.
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- Your humble abode right here?
- Yeah.
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So do you actually
live in the van?
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I actually live--
well, I sleep in it,
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let's put it
this way, yes.
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You sleep in it. And
then you train over here.
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I train here, yeah.
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You would see
vans like this--
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Guys would come from
all over the world,
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sleep in their cars,
this and that--
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Anything to get a chance
to train at Gold's Gym
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because we had
something special here.
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What would you say
to people that say,
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"the dream's over, man.
You're 50 years old."
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What would you say
to those people?
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They're the ones
that are short-sighted.
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Now in six months I
could still be in the van,
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but if I can
outlift everybody,
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I can outsquat them, outbench
them, out-dead-lift them,
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Who's the king?
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Guys like you and me
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Can fulfill our dreams.
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We can train.
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Game ain't over.
The sun is shining.
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And it ain't over.
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Is that gonna
be me in 20 years?
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I did everything
my heroes said--
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I trained,
I said my prayers,
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I had my vitamins.
Where did I go wrong?
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- Hey, good morning.
- Good morning.
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How are you?
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I always make the cookie bars
'cause cookie bars are important.
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What teams did you
make these for?
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I made them for Arlington
football teams
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first time ever
they won a ball game.
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They used to call them
"Rosie's cookie bars"
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and they really believe that
they help them win all the games.
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Wouldn't that be like
performance enhancement?
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It's not an enhancement.
It's a little bit of sugar,
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which can get you going,
carbs.
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But it's all natural
ingredients.
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There's no steroids
in here.
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Eating your mom's cooking is sort
of comforting, don't you think?
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Sure.
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Things change,
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but the cookie bars remain,
that's for sure.
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My mom likes to think
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that the world is as pure
as her cookie bars.
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But life isn't always
like that.
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And a lot of things we grew up
believing ended up not being true.
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First I found out there's
no such thing as Santa Claus
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or the easter bunny.
That kind of sucks.
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Then I saw
this news report.
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The Iron Sheik
had been arrested recently
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along with wrestler
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
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while driving along
the Garden State Parkway.
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The Iron Sheik was charged with
possession of cocaine and marijuana.
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What has interested most
wrestling fans in this case
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is that the Iron Sheik and Hacksaw
are known to be adversaries.
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So why were they
traveling together?
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Yeah, I thought
these guys hated each other.
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Wham! Right on
the back of the Iron Sheik!
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Was their feud all made up?
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Was wrestling fake?
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Who's left
to believe in anymore?
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Well, at least
I still had my heroes.
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Those guys would never
let me down.
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# I need a hero... #
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Today Hogan
admits the famous physique
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was the result
of 12 years of steroids.
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Truth is, all my heroes
had a dirty little secret.
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Hollywood actor Sylvester
Stallone has been charged
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with importing
bodybuilding drugs
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when he visited Australia
last month.
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Did you take steroids?
- I take them.
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I took them, yeah,
up until the competition.
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I was always
against steroids
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and when I found out that
all my heroes used them
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I'd like to say it didn't
bother me, but it really did.
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I can't imagine
how my mom would feel
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if she found out
that both of my brothers
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are on steroids
right now.
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My older brother
started using steroids
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when he went to play
Division I football
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at the University
of Cincinnati.
249
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When I got to Cincinnati the
practices were so grueling,
250
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much more than
what I expected.
251
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Coaches would say, "you gotta
get bigger, stronger, faster."
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Was it intimidating?
- Oh, man,
253
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A lot different than I
thought it was gonna be.
254
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He called me from Cincinnati
and asked me for money for steroids.
255
00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,298
I said, "what do you need that for?"
he says, "I can't compete here."
256
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So I'm like, "I don't know what
that is. It sounds like drugs."
257
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He goes, "it is drugs." I said, "I'm
not gonna send you money for drugs.
258
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If you want drugs
go get a job."
259
00:11:44,048 --> 00:11:46,853
I remember at one point I
think you maybe came home
260
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for a break
or you did something
261
00:11:48,859 --> 00:11:51,429
and you told me, "hey,
come here, help me out."
262
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And you pulled down your pants and you're
like, "you have to inject this in me."
263
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And I hated it 'cause I was
totally against steroids.
264
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And you were like, "come on,
just do it. You have to do it."
265
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You gotta help your big brother out,
man. So it was no decision at all.
266
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Everybody else that was
doing well was on 'em.
267
00:12:06,428 --> 00:12:08,498
Shortly after
getting on the juice
268
00:12:08,499 --> 00:12:10,803
Mad Dog quit college to
pursue an even bigger dream.
269
00:12:10,804 --> 00:12:12,873
Oh, look at that now!
270
00:12:12,874 --> 00:12:14,410
Here we go!
Mike Bell!
271
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I couldn't believe it.
272
00:12:15,948 --> 00:12:17,918
That was my big brother
wrestling on T.V.
273
00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:19,988
Right
hand by Bell. Oh, man!
274
00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:21,992
Mad Dog wanted
to be a superstar,
275
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But he was what they call
a "jobber."
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That's the guy they pay
to get beat up
277
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to make the other guys look
good. He didn't care, though.
278
00:12:28,273 --> 00:12:31,245
He was gonna get himself a contract
and headline "Wrestlemania."
279
00:12:31,246 --> 00:12:33,082
Why did you
even come in the ring?
280
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You should have
gone home, dummy.
281
00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:36,356
But he never
got the contract
282
00:12:36,357 --> 00:12:39,329
And eventually
the W.W.E. stopped calling.
283
00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:41,333
Why did you think
you didn't make it?
284
00:12:41,334 --> 00:12:44,005
Probably mostly
my own fault.
285
00:12:44,006 --> 00:12:46,176
I went from being a guy
who used steroids
286
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to a guy who used
steroids and pot.
287
00:12:48,014 --> 00:12:50,018
And I still needed
to escape reality
288
00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:52,723
so I started taking ecstasy,
cocaine, acid, painkillers.
289
00:12:52,724 --> 00:12:55,028
Mike Bell is where
he does not need to be now.
290
00:12:55,029 --> 00:12:57,032
He's in the wrong corner
and he's paying the price.
291
00:12:57,033 --> 00:12:59,036
Mad Dog always told me
292
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that he'd rather be dead
than average.
293
00:13:01,074 --> 00:13:02,978
And when he thought
his dream was over
294
00:13:02,979 --> 00:13:05,516
he couldn't cope
with the failure.
295
00:13:05,517 --> 00:13:07,287
So I had a
bottle of liquid lead,
296
00:13:07,288 --> 00:13:09,659
a bottle of NyQuil and four
boxes of sleeping pills.
297
00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:11,362
I went down
to the river
298
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down by
the railroad tracks,
299
00:13:13,868 --> 00:13:17,474
parked my car,
took everything.
300
00:13:17,475 --> 00:13:20,147
And he tried
to walk into the--
301
00:13:22,118 --> 00:13:25,792
He tried to walk
into the Hudson river.
302
00:13:25,793 --> 00:13:27,896
So did you take
all the sleeping pills?
303
00:13:27,897 --> 00:13:29,666
- Everything.
- And the lead additive?
304
00:13:29,667 --> 00:13:31,872
There's no way I should be
alive right now. There's no way.
305
00:13:31,873 --> 00:13:33,575
It's 10 years later
306
00:13:33,576 --> 00:13:35,412
and despite everything
that happened
307
00:13:35,413 --> 00:13:37,550
Mad Dog is still trying
to get that contract,
308
00:13:37,551 --> 00:13:39,554
Trying to keep
the dream alive.
309
00:13:39,555 --> 00:13:41,558
'Cause I've been
all over the world
310
00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,832
from Singapore to Louisville,
and it doesn't matter--
311
00:13:44,833 --> 00:13:47,336
You line 'em up,
I'll knock 'em down.
312
00:13:47,337 --> 00:13:49,040
I can see why
you never made it.
313
00:13:50,912 --> 00:13:53,583
Mad Dog used to wrestle
in front of a television audience
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00:13:53,584 --> 00:13:55,587
of 10 million people
every week,
315
00:13:55,588 --> 00:13:59,629
but tonight he's wrestling
at the Portuguese Men's Center
316
00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:03,571
In front of 200 people
for about 50 bucks.
317
00:14:07,079 --> 00:14:09,784
And instead of
wrestling Bret the Hitman Hart
318
00:14:09,785 --> 00:14:11,554
He's facing Midgeto
319
00:14:11,555 --> 00:14:13,558
And he's getting
his ass kicked.
320
00:14:15,228 --> 00:14:16,764
Come on, man,
come on.
321
00:14:19,838 --> 00:14:22,476
My baby brother Smelly
was always trying to keep up
322
00:14:22,477 --> 00:14:24,881
and despite everything
that happened to Mad Dog
323
00:14:24,882 --> 00:14:26,885
he followed in his
footsteps anyway,
324
00:14:26,886 --> 00:14:29,858
becoming a pro wrestler
and using steroids.
325
00:14:29,859 --> 00:14:32,430
The reason I decided
to use steroids was simple.
326
00:14:32,431 --> 00:14:33,934
I just needed
to get bigger.
327
00:14:33,935 --> 00:14:35,436
That was
pretty much it.
328
00:14:35,437 --> 00:14:37,775
But unlike when Mad
Dog started using steroids,
329
00:14:37,776 --> 00:14:39,445
Smelly had a wife
to consider.
330
00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:41,081
When you got married
did you ever think
331
00:14:41,082 --> 00:14:43,320
that your husband would be
injecting himself with something?
332
00:14:43,321 --> 00:14:46,293
No, that didn't even enter
in my conscious thought.
333
00:14:46,294 --> 00:14:48,831
When I first met him
he was against steroids.
334
00:14:48,832 --> 00:14:50,200
He was like,
"you don't need to do it.
335
00:14:50,201 --> 00:14:52,406
I've never done 'em. I
just don't believe in 'em."
336
00:14:52,407 --> 00:14:54,343
I was pretty upset about it
337
00:14:54,344 --> 00:14:56,614
Because I didn't want it to come
to that. I was kind of scared.
338
00:14:56,615 --> 00:15:00,555
I didn't want to inject
this oil into my body.
339
00:15:00,556 --> 00:15:02,593
I thought
it was weird.
340
00:15:02,594 --> 00:15:04,597
He's not a huge guy,
you know.
341
00:15:04,598 --> 00:15:06,234
He's 6' if he's lucky
342
00:15:06,235 --> 00:15:09,607
and so I knew that it was
definitely going to help
343
00:15:09,608 --> 00:15:12,748
because that's
what it does,
344
00:15:12,749 --> 00:15:15,252
what steroids do--
make you bigger.
345
00:15:15,253 --> 00:15:18,493
She basically said,
"do what you need to do."
346
00:15:18,494 --> 00:15:20,497
Here's Jake with the daddy.
347
00:15:20,498 --> 00:15:22,401
After their son
was born Smelly decided
348
00:15:22,402 --> 00:15:26,009
The life of a pro wrestler was
not exactly what he wanted anymore.
349
00:15:26,010 --> 00:15:28,046
Here's my little Jake
in his swing.
350
00:15:28,047 --> 00:15:31,185
Mark: Looking back, I don't
really know what the hell I wanted.
351
00:15:31,186 --> 00:15:33,924
Having a contract means
that you belong to W.W.E.
352
00:15:33,925 --> 00:15:36,130
And you have to travel.
I was married with a kid.
353
00:15:36,131 --> 00:15:38,835
I mean, that's really
all I need--
354
00:15:38,836 --> 00:15:41,006
A house, a kid and a wife. I'm set.
355
00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:42,677
One, two, three!
356
00:15:42,678 --> 00:15:44,247
They settled
down in the suburbs
357
00:15:44,248 --> 00:15:46,251
and Smelly even
opened up his own gym.
358
00:15:46,252 --> 00:15:47,988
Yeah, my little brother
gave up
359
00:15:47,989 --> 00:15:50,125
the wrestling dream for
a respectable family life,
360
00:15:50,126 --> 00:15:52,296
but he didn't quite
give up everything.
361
00:15:56,272 --> 00:15:58,276
Now that I'm into it
362
00:15:58,277 --> 00:16:01,315
I realize it's not really
all that bad. I love steroids.
363
00:16:01,316 --> 00:16:04,021
I think I'll probably be
on and off of them
364
00:16:04,022 --> 00:16:05,725
probably forever.
365
00:16:05,726 --> 00:16:07,695
This is what you trained
for! This is what you do!
366
00:16:07,696 --> 00:16:10,267
Come on, boy!
367
00:16:10,268 --> 00:16:12,338
I thought that
we had an agreement
368
00:16:12,339 --> 00:16:13,807
that he did it
for wrestling.
369
00:16:13,808 --> 00:16:15,411
Now he's not
wrestling anymore
370
00:16:15,412 --> 00:16:17,716
so naturally I thought
he would just stop.
371
00:16:17,717 --> 00:16:20,020
In my mind there's no excuse
372
00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:22,359
for not being as strong
as you possibly can be.
373
00:16:23,562 --> 00:16:25,866
You do what you gotta do
to win.
374
00:16:27,737 --> 00:16:29,273
Come on, Chris,
let's do this now.
375
00:16:31,579 --> 00:16:34,684
Let's give it up
for him. It's a lot of weight.
376
00:16:34,685 --> 00:16:36,455
There it is.
377
00:16:36,456 --> 00:16:37,690
Come on now!
378
00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:45,541
Smoke
show! Come on, Chris.
379
00:16:48,448 --> 00:16:50,417
- Take it, take it.
Take it, take it.
380
00:16:52,489 --> 00:16:54,492
Nice
try, Chris, nice try.
381
00:16:54,493 --> 00:16:56,664
If you are apprehensive
382
00:16:56,665 --> 00:16:58,901
about taking a steroid
or you're apprehensive
383
00:16:58,902 --> 00:17:01,106
about trying
some new methods
384
00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,277
then maybe you're not
cut out to be a champion.
385
00:17:03,278 --> 00:17:06,117
In first
place, Mark Bell.
386
00:17:06,118 --> 00:17:09,089
I guess I'm not
cut out to be a champion,
387
00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:12,430
because I tried steroids but
I felt so guilty I had to stop.
388
00:17:12,431 --> 00:17:14,734
- Are you gonna win worst overall lifter?
- Yeah.
389
00:17:14,735 --> 00:17:16,371
And now I can't even compete
390
00:17:16,372 --> 00:17:18,275
In the sport
I grew up loving.
391
00:17:18,276 --> 00:17:21,816
I mean, my baby brother
just beat me by 130 lbs.
392
00:17:23,621 --> 00:17:26,359
We all grew up
in the same house,
393
00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:29,966
so why are my brothers fine
with steroids but I'm not?
394
00:17:29,967 --> 00:17:31,736
What would you say
the differences are
395
00:17:31,737 --> 00:17:34,275
- between the three kids.
- Between the three?
396
00:17:34,276 --> 00:17:36,580
Well, I always kind of
say it like this--
397
00:17:36,581 --> 00:17:39,051
you were in the middle
of two guys
398
00:17:39,052 --> 00:17:40,955
that were very
strapping, athletic,
399
00:17:40,956 --> 00:17:42,960
and you were tiny
and short in stature,
400
00:17:42,961 --> 00:17:46,200
so I worked extra hard to
make you feel extra special.
401
00:17:46,201 --> 00:17:48,070
One day I took you
in your room--
402
00:17:48,071 --> 00:17:50,809
I don't know if you remember
this conversation where I said,
403
00:17:50,810 --> 00:17:53,381
"Christopher, what's the
best part of an Oreo cookie?"
404
00:17:53,382 --> 00:17:55,319
What is the best part
of an Oreo cookie?
405
00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,623
- The middle.
- The middle. That's right.
406
00:17:57,624 --> 00:18:01,499
So even though you have two
sides of a cookie on this end,
407
00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:03,268
the middle part is
the most delicious.
408
00:18:03,269 --> 00:18:05,640
Everybody wants the middle.
They even made double stuff.
409
00:18:05,641 --> 00:18:08,379
Yep, this is pretty
much how it was growing up.
410
00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:10,083
Mom stayed at home
with the kids
411
00:18:10,084 --> 00:18:12,755
while Dad wore a suit
and tie and went to work.
412
00:18:12,756 --> 00:18:16,195
He was at I.B.M. for 20
years until he was downsized.
413
00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:18,700
But now he has his own
business doing taxes.
414
00:18:18,701 --> 00:18:20,972
Everybody thinks
that success in America
415
00:18:20,973 --> 00:18:23,477
is in the amount of dollars that
you have. And that's not true.
416
00:18:23,478 --> 00:18:25,314
The real true heroes
are people
417
00:18:25,315 --> 00:18:27,318
who go to work every day
and do their job
418
00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:29,924
and bring up their kids to
the best of their ability.
419
00:18:29,925 --> 00:18:31,928
I wanted to be Hulk Hogan.
420
00:18:31,929 --> 00:18:34,600
I wanted to be Arnold. I
wanted to be Sylvester Stallone.
421
00:18:34,601 --> 00:18:37,105
Did you have heroes like that
growing up, when you were a kid?
422
00:18:37,106 --> 00:18:40,045
Yeah, we
did. We had heroes
423
00:18:40,046 --> 00:18:43,519
like Mickey Mantle,
Roger Maris.
424
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,856
But I knew I could
never aspire to it
425
00:18:45,857 --> 00:18:48,128
because back then
you grew up,
426
00:18:48,129 --> 00:18:50,466
you graduated, you got
married and you had kids.
427
00:18:50,467 --> 00:18:53,205
Yeah, my dad
had the American dream--
428
00:18:53,206 --> 00:18:55,377
you know, marry your
high-school sweetheart,
429
00:18:55,378 --> 00:18:58,951
buy a house and take your
kids to see the Yankees.
430
00:18:58,952 --> 00:19:00,955
But things are
different now.
431
00:19:00,956 --> 00:19:04,362
And even baseball's changed
from when my dad was growing up.
432
00:19:04,363 --> 00:19:06,367
And now when I think
of baseball
433
00:19:06,368 --> 00:19:08,738
I don't think about the
Babe or Hammerin' Hank.
434
00:19:11,678 --> 00:19:13,714
I think of steroids.
435
00:19:13,715 --> 00:19:18,492
This one is a
monster! It is out of here!
436
00:19:18,493 --> 00:19:22,733
After the strike of
'94 baseball was almost dead.
437
00:19:22,734 --> 00:19:24,837
But then Mark McGuire
and Sammy Sosa
438
00:19:24,838 --> 00:19:26,943
started smashing
home runs,
439
00:19:26,944 --> 00:19:29,180
racing toward the
single-season record.
440
00:19:29,181 --> 00:19:31,284
You see,
about 1000 years ago
441
00:19:31,285 --> 00:19:33,990
Babe Ruth had 60 home
runs in one season.
442
00:19:33,991 --> 00:19:35,827
And then when my
parents were still kids
443
00:19:35,828 --> 00:19:38,132
Roger Maris hit
number 61.
444
00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:40,771
He was the home-run champ
for 37 years
445
00:19:40,772 --> 00:19:44,044
until Big Mac came along
and crushed that record
446
00:19:44,045 --> 00:19:47,452
with 70 home runs
and baseball was saved.
447
00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:49,189
Gone!
448
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:52,930
Mark McGuire, you have just
broken the home-run record.
449
00:19:52,931 --> 00:19:54,767
What are you going
to do next?
450
00:19:54,768 --> 00:19:56,236
We're going
to Disney World.
451
00:19:58,342 --> 00:20:01,281
I guess Barry Bonds
wanted to go to Disney world too
452
00:20:01,282 --> 00:20:02,783
'cause in 2001
453
00:20:02,784 --> 00:20:05,188
he smashed 73 bombs
to break McGuire's record.
454
00:20:05,189 --> 00:20:06,825
This is the one!
455
00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:08,829
There's a new
record homer!
456
00:20:08,830 --> 00:20:11,602
See, baseball
players used to be scrawny,
457
00:20:11,603 --> 00:20:14,474
but now these guys were
jacked and it was cool.
458
00:20:14,475 --> 00:20:16,880
They started looking
like pro wrestlers.
459
00:20:16,881 --> 00:20:20,186
If you were to
construct a home-run hitter
460
00:20:20,187 --> 00:20:23,593
in a lab, put him together,
he'd look like that.
461
00:20:23,594 --> 00:20:25,898
Turns out, that was
kind of what was going on.
462
00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,470
The man with ties
to some big-name athletes
463
00:20:28,471 --> 00:20:30,174
has been charged
with providing
464
00:20:30,175 --> 00:20:32,244
performance-enhancing
drugs to the pros.
465
00:20:32,245 --> 00:20:35,184
The guy with the pencil-thin
mustache is Victor Conte.
466
00:20:35,185 --> 00:20:37,789
He used to be the bass
player for Tower of Power,
467
00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:39,793
but when that career
didn't work out
468
00:20:39,794 --> 00:20:41,999
he did what any failed
musician would do--
469
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,704
he started selling undetectable
steroids to athletes.
470
00:20:44,705 --> 00:20:46,742
Will you name names?
471
00:20:46,743 --> 00:20:48,579
There will be
naming of names.
472
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,618
Conte's files
named over 250 athletes,
473
00:20:51,619 --> 00:20:55,259
including the home-run
king himself, Barry Bonds.
474
00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:57,363
And then something
even crazier happened--
475
00:20:57,364 --> 00:20:59,502
Jose Canseco
wrote a book.
476
00:20:59,503 --> 00:21:02,841
The surprise wasn't that he was
literate, it's what he wrote about.
477
00:21:02,842 --> 00:21:05,180
He said he'd been taking
steroids since '86,
478
00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:07,618
that 80% of baseball
was on the juice
479
00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:10,257
and that he personally
injected his former bash brother
480
00:21:10,258 --> 00:21:12,161
Mark McGuire
in the ass.
481
00:21:12,162 --> 00:21:13,364
But why, Mr. McGuire?
482
00:21:13,365 --> 00:21:15,702
Do you want to know
the terrifying truth
483
00:21:15,703 --> 00:21:17,973
or do you want to see me
sock a few dingers?
484
00:21:17,974 --> 00:21:19,911
Dingers!
Dingers!
485
00:21:20,713 --> 00:21:22,348
Ooh.
486
00:21:22,349 --> 00:21:24,554
All right,
Congress wants to haul
487
00:21:24,555 --> 00:21:26,090
a bunch of baseball players
488
00:21:26,091 --> 00:21:27,960
up to Capitol Hill
to talk about steroids.
489
00:21:27,961 --> 00:21:32,203
In 2005 Congress
spent 151 days in session.
490
00:21:32,204 --> 00:21:35,042
They spent eight of those days
debating steroids in sports.
491
00:21:35,043 --> 00:21:38,081
That's more time than they
spent on national healthcare,
492
00:21:38,082 --> 00:21:40,085
why the levees broke
in New Orleans,
493
00:21:40,086 --> 00:21:42,090
and more than ending
the war in Iraq.
494
00:21:42,091 --> 00:21:44,495
Apparently,
the United States Congress
495
00:21:44,496 --> 00:21:47,534
takes this whole national
pastime thing kind of seriously.
496
00:21:47,535 --> 00:21:50,541
I'm a baseball fan.
I always have been.
497
00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:53,213
Let me just start by saying
that I am a huge baseball fan.
498
00:21:53,214 --> 00:21:55,551
For me baseball is not a game,
it's a passion.
499
00:21:55,552 --> 00:21:57,722
We have every right
to be concerned
500
00:21:57,723 --> 00:22:00,829
that the national pastime
and all that it represents
501
00:22:00,830 --> 00:22:06,340
has been threatened by the
selfish actions of a few.
502
00:22:06,341 --> 00:22:09,747
There's something simply
un-American about this.
503
00:22:09,748 --> 00:22:13,254
If using steroids makes
the Bash brothers un-American,
504
00:22:13,255 --> 00:22:16,395
what does that make
the Bell brothers?
505
00:22:16,396 --> 00:22:19,768
Congressman Kanjorski, do you
think that this is not a matter
506
00:22:19,769 --> 00:22:21,638
for the U.S. Congress
to be deliberating?
507
00:22:21,639 --> 00:22:23,309
I just don't think
it's necessary.
508
00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:25,246
Why are we just gonna
call seven people
509
00:22:25,247 --> 00:22:26,649
and of what importance
are they?
510
00:22:26,650 --> 00:22:29,922
In the last 52 years
we've only done it 25 times.
511
00:22:29,923 --> 00:22:31,926
14 of those times were
512
00:22:31,927 --> 00:22:33,530
by the un-American
activities committee.
513
00:22:35,635 --> 00:22:38,540
Are you now or have ever been
a member of the Communist Party?
514
00:22:38,541 --> 00:22:41,379
Well, sir, I'm not here
to talk about the past.
515
00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:44,953
I have never
used steroids, period.
516
00:22:44,954 --> 00:22:47,960
Did you know that other
players were using steroids?
517
00:22:47,961 --> 00:22:51,668
I have never seen a syringe.
I have never seen steroids.
518
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:54,173
But in locker-room gossip--
you may not have seen it.
519
00:22:54,174 --> 00:22:56,745
People talk, right? "this guy's doing
something, that guy's doing something."
520
00:22:56,746 --> 00:23:00,119
Now Mr. McGuire, would you
like to comment on that?
521
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,557
You don't want
to comment?
522
00:23:02,558 --> 00:23:03,960
Are you taking the fifth?
523
00:23:05,765 --> 00:23:08,636
This is about values.
It's about our culture.
524
00:23:08,637 --> 00:23:11,108
It's about who we
define ourselves to be.
525
00:23:11,109 --> 00:23:13,981
When we want to define
to a foreign country
526
00:23:13,982 --> 00:23:17,454
what we're about and
you're gonna show a film,
527
00:23:17,455 --> 00:23:19,826
what would you
go show?
528
00:23:19,827 --> 00:23:21,830
Hey, how about "Rocky IV"?
529
00:23:21,831 --> 00:23:23,601
There's nothing
more American than that.
530
00:23:23,602 --> 00:23:26,373
The big Russian trains
in a high-tech facility
531
00:23:26,374 --> 00:23:29,045
with a whole team
of scientists and trainers,
532
00:23:29,046 --> 00:23:32,018
and of course
he takes steroids.
533
00:23:32,019 --> 00:23:33,822
Meanwhile, Rocky's
out there lifting logs,
534
00:23:33,823 --> 00:23:37,730
chopping wood, training in
a barn the all-natural way,
535
00:23:37,731 --> 00:23:40,469
'cause only Commies would
take steroids, right?
536
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:43,174
Sure, Sly,
whatever you say.
537
00:23:43,175 --> 00:23:45,580
Truth is, steroids were
the secret weapon
538
00:23:45,581 --> 00:23:47,384
that helped American
fight the Russians
539
00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:49,087
on the Olympic
battlefield.
540
00:23:49,088 --> 00:23:51,091
And it all
began here,
541
00:23:51,092 --> 00:23:53,429
York BarHenry
in Pennsylvania.
542
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:55,433
When you
were an Olympic coach
543
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,039
did you see a lot of
steroid use going on?
544
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,544
Much.
545
00:24:00,545 --> 00:24:01,980
- Yeah.
- Much.
546
00:24:01,981 --> 00:24:05,287
Smitty's 83,
one of the old-timers.
547
00:24:05,288 --> 00:24:08,728
He was the coach of the Olympic
weight-lifting team back then.
548
00:24:08,636 --> 00:24:10,607
Was it ever thought of
as cheating at that point?
549
00:24:10,608 --> 00:24:14,716
No. No, because we figured
everybody was taking it.
550
00:24:15,102 --> 00:24:17,105
We figured
even steven.
551
00:24:17,106 --> 00:24:19,643
Smitty told me the story
about how anabolic steroids
552
00:24:19,644 --> 00:24:21,547
were first introduced
to the U.S. Olympic team.
553
00:24:21,548 --> 00:24:23,650
It was the late 1950s
554
00:24:23,651 --> 00:24:26,356
and the Russians were
dominating America
555
00:24:26,357 --> 00:24:27,958
in the space race
and at the Olympics.
556
00:24:27,959 --> 00:24:31,398
But one night the
Russian coach got drunk
557
00:24:31,399 --> 00:24:33,369
and told
the American coach
558
00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:35,873
they'd been injecting their
athletes with steroids.
559
00:24:35,874 --> 00:24:37,543
The American coach
raced home
560
00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:39,647
and developed an even more
powerful steroid
561
00:24:39,648 --> 00:24:42,885
specifically
for team U.S.A.
562
00:24:42,886 --> 00:24:46,826
So if steroids actually helped
America beat the commies,
563
00:24:46,827 --> 00:24:49,665
How did it get
such a bad rap?
564
00:24:49,666 --> 00:24:52,737
Last week former
N.F.L. Defensive lineman Lyle Alzado
565
00:24:52,738 --> 00:24:55,809
told N.B.C. News that
steroids were the cause
566
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:58,113
of his inoperable
brain cancer.
567
00:24:58,114 --> 00:24:59,750
How long were you
on steroids?
568
00:24:59,751 --> 00:25:01,753
Most of my
pro career.
569
00:25:01,754 --> 00:25:04,158
You know,
I played 16 years.
570
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:06,930
And it got me where I wanted
but also got me very sick.
571
00:25:06,931 --> 00:25:08,666
Lyle Alzado went from being
572
00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:10,670
the toughest son of
a bitch in the N.F.L.
573
00:25:10,671 --> 00:25:12,673
to being a sad
dying man.
574
00:25:12,674 --> 00:25:15,613
Everything I saw on T.V.
taught me that steroids kill.
575
00:25:15,614 --> 00:25:18,084
Some alarming news
about steroid use tonight.
576
00:25:18,085 --> 00:25:20,053
A drug bust
in Phoenix, Arizona,
577
00:25:20,054 --> 00:25:21,924
not for heroin
or cocaine,
578
00:25:21,925 --> 00:25:24,262
but for something
just as dangerous.
579
00:25:24,263 --> 00:25:26,266
Health damage from steroids
can include
580
00:25:26,267 --> 00:25:28,870
heart, joint
and reproductive problems,
581
00:25:28,871 --> 00:25:30,306
this is a drug
that kills.
582
00:25:30,307 --> 00:25:32,844
What happens is that
these retarded idiots
583
00:25:32,845 --> 00:25:34,848
that give us the news,
these talking heads
584
00:25:34,849 --> 00:25:37,819
that babble on T.V.
give us this rhetoric
585
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:39,823
that comes from
not one single expert.
586
00:25:39,824 --> 00:25:43,363
And they say ridiculous things
like steroids will kill you,
587
00:25:43,364 --> 00:25:45,434
they'll rot your kidneys,
they'll give you cancer,
588
00:25:45,435 --> 00:25:47,604
they'll do all these horrible
things that are just not true.
589
00:25:47,605 --> 00:25:50,843
John Romano is the senior
editor of a bodybuilding magazine
590
00:25:50,844 --> 00:25:53,515
and he disagrees with what his
media colleagues think of steroids.
591
00:25:53,516 --> 00:25:55,619
Well, how come we hear
constantly in the news
592
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:57,556
that people are dying
through taking steroids?
593
00:25:57,557 --> 00:25:59,559
- Show me the bodies.
- Lyle Alzado.
594
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,563
Lyle Alzado didn't die
from steroids.
595
00:26:01,564 --> 00:26:02,899
I trained with him
for two years.
596
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,236
He didn't die from steroids.
He died from a brain tumor.
597
00:26:05,237 --> 00:26:07,908
I don't know of any of
my colleagues that link
598
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:11,047
his central nervous system
lymphoma to his use of steroids.
599
00:26:11,048 --> 00:26:13,051
Dr. Charles
Yesalis has published
600
00:26:13,052 --> 00:26:15,054
over 70 articles
on the use of steroids
601
00:26:15,055 --> 00:26:18,527
and is one of the top experts
in the world on drugs in sports.
602
00:26:18,528 --> 00:26:20,698
- Are steroids killing people?
- good question.
603
00:26:20,699 --> 00:26:22,702
They've been
used in medicine
604
00:26:22,703 --> 00:26:24,705
since the late 1930s.
605
00:26:24,706 --> 00:26:27,010
I hope we haven't been
purposely killing people.
606
00:26:27,011 --> 00:26:29,648
Can they be used safely?
Yeah.
607
00:26:29,649 --> 00:26:33,789
These drugs are a boon
in the medical profession.
608
00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:36,527
They're a miracle drug for
people with muscle wasting.
609
00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:40,000
They are a miracle drug
for burn victims,
610
00:26:40,001 --> 00:26:43,540
for cancer patients, people
recovering from surgery.
611
00:26:43,541 --> 00:26:45,911
And for people with
A.I.D.S. like Jeff Taylor.
612
00:26:45,912 --> 00:26:48,816
Jeff has been fighting
H.I.V. for 25 years
613
00:26:48,817 --> 00:26:50,920
and he says
steroids saved his life.
614
00:26:50,921 --> 00:26:54,327
Back in '92 I was
down to two "T" cells
615
00:26:54,328 --> 00:26:57,433
and very sick. I'd
developed P.C.P. pneumonia.
616
00:26:57,434 --> 00:26:59,770
Both my lungs collapsed.
I almost didn't make it.
617
00:26:59,771 --> 00:27:02,342
I came out of a hospital
weighing 125 lbs.
618
00:27:02,343 --> 00:27:05,681
So I started researching and
found a clinical trial in L.A.
619
00:27:05,682 --> 00:27:08,252
They were studying Anavar,
an old bodybuilding drug,
620
00:27:08,253 --> 00:27:10,857
to test how it worked
for people with H.I.V.
621
00:27:10,858 --> 00:27:13,161
So I signed myself up,
got a fairly high dose
622
00:27:13,162 --> 00:27:15,164
and responded amazingly.
623
00:27:15,165 --> 00:27:19,072
I gained 30 lbs
in six weeks
624
00:27:19,073 --> 00:27:20,975
and I gained
300 "T" cells.
625
00:27:20,976 --> 00:27:23,046
So these drugs
have cognitive powers--
626
00:27:23,047 --> 00:27:24,582
if you're sick
they'll help you;
627
00:27:24,583 --> 00:27:26,519
if you're a healthy athlete
they'll kill you?
628
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,026
How can you say steroids are
a national public health crisis
629
00:27:30,027 --> 00:27:33,399
when you have people dropping dead at
a rate you can measure by the minute
630
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,301
as a result
of alcohol and tobacco?
631
00:27:35,302 --> 00:27:37,606
According to the C.D.C.,
632
00:27:37,607 --> 00:27:41,179
tobacco kills about 435,000
Americans every year,
633
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,852
alcohol kills
about 75,000,
634
00:27:44,853 --> 00:27:47,992
and deaths from anabolic
steroid abuse-- three.
635
00:27:47,993 --> 00:27:51,265
But steroids also show up
in some other statistics--
636
00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:53,268
emergency room visits.
637
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:55,338
But it's not exactly
number one on the list--
638
00:27:55,339 --> 00:27:57,776
that would be alcohol;
or number two--
639
00:27:57,777 --> 00:27:59,780
that's cocaine;
640
00:27:59,781 --> 00:28:02,151
or number three--
that's marijuana.
641
00:28:02,152 --> 00:28:04,489
Gotta be top 10,
though, right?
642
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:06,492
Uh, not quite.
643
00:28:06,493 --> 00:28:08,496
How about top 25?
644
00:28:08,497 --> 00:28:10,867
Top 100?
Keep going.
645
00:28:10,868 --> 00:28:12,871
Try number 142.
646
00:28:12,872 --> 00:28:14,874
That's even
after multivitamins.
647
00:28:14,875 --> 00:28:17,813
# yabba-dabba-doo yabba-dabba-doo,
Flintstones vitamins... #
648
00:28:17,814 --> 00:28:19,816
Education is important,
649
00:28:19,817 --> 00:28:22,354
but what you have to
watch out for
650
00:28:22,355 --> 00:28:24,759
is emChrisishing.
651
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,297
If you look
at "Reefer Madness,"
652
00:28:27,298 --> 00:28:30,836
it caused you to be a
stark-raving, murdering lunatic--
653
00:28:30,837 --> 00:28:33,509
Very funny to watch because
it goes so over the edge.
654
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:36,848
The next tragedy may be
that of your daughter,
655
00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:39,920
of your son,
or yours.
656
00:28:41,958 --> 00:28:44,695
Physicians and sports
scientists have done that
657
00:28:44,696 --> 00:28:46,900
with the best of
intentions in this area--
658
00:28:46,901 --> 00:28:49,071
"Oh, steroids
are going to cause you
659
00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:52,877
to drop over dead
in your tracks" and so on.
660
00:28:52,878 --> 00:28:55,449
And the athletes are looking
around saying, "Jesus,
661
00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:57,486
haven't seen
that many guys die."
662
00:28:57,487 --> 00:28:59,489
Are steroids
killing people?
663
00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:01,493
Steroids clearly are
killing people
664
00:29:01,494 --> 00:29:03,497
both in the short term
and in the long term.
665
00:29:03,498 --> 00:29:06,836
Dr. Gary Wadler is an advisor
to the world anti-doping agency
666
00:29:06,837 --> 00:29:09,741
and the media's go-to guy
when it comes to steroids.
667
00:29:09,742 --> 00:29:11,746
We know it's been associated
668
00:29:11,747 --> 00:29:13,749
with stroke
in young people
669
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:17,088
for which there was no
other obvious explanation.
670
00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:20,094
We know it's been
associated with heart attacks
671
00:29:20,095 --> 00:29:23,133
for which there was no
other obvious explanation.
672
00:29:23,134 --> 00:29:24,802
We know
it increases clotting.
673
00:29:24,803 --> 00:29:27,708
What bothers me are people
like Dr. Gary Wadler
674
00:29:27,709 --> 00:29:30,279
who's a physician
and going before Congress
675
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,517
and saying these things,
and when confronted--
676
00:29:32,518 --> 00:29:34,521
"Please produce
a single article
677
00:29:34,522 --> 00:29:37,726
that shows any of this in any
scientific way," can't do it.
678
00:29:37,727 --> 00:29:40,598
Dr. Norm Fost is a
professor of medical ethics
679
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,403
with a research focus on
performance-enhancing drugs.
680
00:29:43,404 --> 00:29:45,874
So I'm not denying
that there aren't
681
00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:48,446
some serious adverse effects
from anabolic steroids.
682
00:29:48,447 --> 00:29:51,117
It's just that we haven't been
able to demonstrate any of them.
683
00:29:51,118 --> 00:29:52,787
Maybe that's because
we don't study them.
684
00:29:52,788 --> 00:29:55,392
One of the problems
with the ban on steroids
685
00:29:55,393 --> 00:29:57,729
is that it's impossible
to do the kind of research
686
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:59,165
that would answer
these questions.
687
00:29:59,166 --> 00:30:01,870
Some purists would like
to see those studies done.
688
00:30:01,871 --> 00:30:04,041
Well, I can assure you
they never will be done.
689
00:30:04,042 --> 00:30:06,980
It would be a totally
unethical study to do.
690
00:30:06,981 --> 00:30:09,718
So we have to use the
information we have at hand.
691
00:30:09,719 --> 00:30:12,089
Depression, convulsions,
692
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:14,994
anxiety, jaundice,
693
00:30:14,995 --> 00:30:17,633
myocardial infarction--
which is heart attack--
694
00:30:17,634 --> 00:30:19,636
eczema, abscess,
695
00:30:19,637 --> 00:30:21,840
vaginal pain,
vaginal discharge.
696
00:30:21,841 --> 00:30:25,413
You wanna know what I'm reading
this from? What does that say?
697
00:30:25,414 --> 00:30:26,849
- "Vitamin c."
- Thank you.
698
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:29,755
I mean, look, peanuts are
dangerous. You understand?
699
00:30:29,756 --> 00:30:32,627
There are people
that take a peanut
700
00:30:32,628 --> 00:30:36,333
and have a peanut and they
go into anaphylactic shock.
701
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:39,172
Okay? The airway closes
up. That's it. They die.
702
00:30:39,173 --> 00:30:41,810
Now does that mean
that we ban peanuts
703
00:30:41,811 --> 00:30:44,348
and sue God
for making them?
704
00:30:44,349 --> 00:30:46,251
- No.
- Right.
705
00:30:46,252 --> 00:30:49,324
What we do is we say,
"okay, peanut warnings."
706
00:30:49,325 --> 00:30:51,328
There is no safe drug.
707
00:30:51,329 --> 00:30:53,899
There is no safe drug
that ever exists.
708
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,537
There's always
the benefit-to-risk ratio.
709
00:30:56,538 --> 00:30:58,541
You name the drug--
"X" percent of people
710
00:30:58,542 --> 00:31:00,544
will suffer
adverse effects.
711
00:31:00,545 --> 00:31:02,682
Do you feel
any side effects ever?
712
00:31:02,683 --> 00:31:04,919
Yeah, I've had
some side effects--
713
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,457
acne, hair growth.
714
00:31:07,458 --> 00:31:09,661
Some side effects
that I've had are--
715
00:31:09,662 --> 00:31:11,799
What do you mean by hair
growth? On your head?
716
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,869
No, just on my chest
and my back and stuff.
717
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:15,739
I never break out.
My back doesn't break out.
718
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:17,743
I don't get hairy
from it.
719
00:31:17,744 --> 00:31:19,713
You get a little
testicular atrophy,
720
00:31:19,714 --> 00:31:21,683
but then they come back.
It's normal.
721
00:31:21,684 --> 00:31:23,519
- Your balls shrank?
- The balls shank.
722
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,156
- Who needs 'em?
- Who needs 'em?
723
00:31:25,157 --> 00:31:27,294
What about testosterone?
I have some friends who say
724
00:31:27,295 --> 00:31:29,965
it is like a wonder drug.
It makes them feel great.
725
00:31:29,966 --> 00:31:32,803
It makes them feel,
you know, frisky
726
00:31:32,804 --> 00:31:35,542
and young and it's
great for their skin.
727
00:31:35,543 --> 00:31:38,014
The negative side effects would
be my lovely singing voice,
728
00:31:38,015 --> 00:31:40,183
hair like a monkey
from my head to my toes,
729
00:31:40,184 --> 00:31:43,390
I mean, hair growing out places
you don't even want to talk about.
730
00:31:43,391 --> 00:31:45,460
I mean,
I want to stay feminine.
731
00:31:45,461 --> 00:31:47,463
And I think that's why
I get so much work.
732
00:31:47,464 --> 00:31:49,467
It's because I still
look like a woman
733
00:31:49,468 --> 00:31:51,338
and I still have
hard muscles.
734
00:31:51,339 --> 00:31:53,107
In my experience,
735
00:31:53,108 --> 00:31:55,545
steroids are just gonna make
you more of whatever you are.
736
00:31:55,546 --> 00:31:58,685
If you're a jerk
and you take steroids
737
00:31:58,686 --> 00:32:01,790
- You're a super jerk, right?
- An asshole.
738
00:32:01,791 --> 00:32:04,061
You've seen that, right? You
go beyond. You're an asshole.
739
00:32:04,062 --> 00:32:05,798
I've never seen Roid Rage.
740
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,636
I've never seen any
difference in his personality
741
00:32:08,637 --> 00:32:11,307
or how he is with me,
how he is with Jake.
742
00:32:11,308 --> 00:32:13,311
It hasn't done
anything
743
00:32:13,312 --> 00:32:16,350
that all those after-school
specials tell you that it's gonna do.
744
00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,187
Bryce, I gotta
get bigger, man.
745
00:32:18,188 --> 00:32:20,858
- Here, this might help.
- Steroids?
746
00:32:20,859 --> 00:32:23,062
What is going on with you?
747
00:32:23,063 --> 00:32:24,732
God damn it!
748
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,322
While I was visiting
my brother and his family
749
00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:39,993
they told me they were
thinking of having another child
750
00:32:39,994 --> 00:32:43,667
but that another possible side
effect of steroids was on their minds.
751
00:32:43,668 --> 00:32:45,036
If you couldn't have
another kid
752
00:32:45,037 --> 00:32:46,839
would it be something
that you'd regret
753
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,342
because you did
steroids?
754
00:32:48,343 --> 00:32:51,281
Yeah. If it was
simply from that, yeah.
755
00:32:51,282 --> 00:32:53,919
I'd probably regret it.
But there's a lot of things
756
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,424
people regret in their
lives, so I'm not, you know--
757
00:32:56,425 --> 00:32:59,863
it's a decision I made and it's
a decision I'll have to live with,
758
00:32:59,864 --> 00:33:01,833
whatever
the consequences are.
759
00:33:07,278 --> 00:33:10,617
It's been 15
years since Alzado died.
760
00:33:10,618 --> 00:33:13,121
- Why did you lie to me?
- I was afraid...
761
00:33:13,122 --> 00:33:15,425
Looking back at
Maria Shriver's interview
762
00:33:15,426 --> 00:33:17,428
I can't help
but wonder,
763
00:33:17,429 --> 00:33:19,933
why wasn't she asking
the real questions like
764
00:33:19,934 --> 00:33:22,438
"is this gonna happen
to my husband?"
765
00:33:22,439 --> 00:33:24,475
Did she really
believe Lyle
766
00:33:24,476 --> 00:33:26,479
or was this
just the beginning
767
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,517
of the steroid myth?
768
00:33:29,518 --> 00:33:32,356
And even though the experts
know a lot more about steroids,
769
00:33:32,357 --> 00:33:34,560
you sure wouldn't know it
from watching the news.
770
00:33:34,561 --> 00:33:37,065
Tonight, one of the nation's
most serious drug problems
771
00:33:37,066 --> 00:33:40,103
and it's only getting worse.
It's steroids.
772
00:33:40,104 --> 00:33:42,107
Professional wrestler
Chris Benoit
773
00:33:42,108 --> 00:33:44,512
killed his wife,
his seven-year-old son,
774
00:33:44,513 --> 00:33:45,947
and then hung himself.
775
00:33:45,948 --> 00:33:48,820
Why did he do it?
Steroids found in the house.
776
00:33:48,821 --> 00:33:51,123
Steroids cause
suicidal tendencies.
777
00:33:51,124 --> 00:33:52,827
They hallucinate.
They hear voices.
778
00:33:52,828 --> 00:33:54,697
Depression, paranoia.
779
00:33:54,698 --> 00:33:56,701
Steroids could be
the actual cause...
780
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,036
Speculation
is running wild.
781
00:33:58,037 --> 00:33:59,640
Do you think these drugs
could affect one's mind?
782
00:33:59,641 --> 00:34:00,842
Now we know.
783
00:34:00,843 --> 00:34:02,845
- Testosterone...
- Steroids...
784
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,155
Let's cut through the crap.
785
00:34:08,156 --> 00:34:10,827
This is steroids 101.
786
00:34:10,828 --> 00:34:12,897
First of all,
the term "steroids"
787
00:34:12,898 --> 00:34:16,336
Is often misused to describe
any performance-enhancing drug
788
00:34:16,337 --> 00:34:18,607
When in fact
many of these drugs
789
00:34:18,608 --> 00:34:20,578
are not actually
steroids at all.
790
00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:22,882
So what are steroids?
791
00:34:22,883 --> 00:34:24,886
Well, steroids are
synthetic versions
792
00:34:24,887 --> 00:34:27,591
of hormones that your body
produces naturally,
793
00:34:27,592 --> 00:34:29,595
like cortisone--
that's a steroid.
794
00:34:29,596 --> 00:34:32,166
It signals the body
to break down inflammation.
795
00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:34,169
Birth control pills
are steroids too
796
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:36,006
Made from the female
sex hormones
797
00:34:36,007 --> 00:34:37,842
estrogen
and progesterone.
798
00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:40,381
But the steroids that get
all the negative attention
799
00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:42,051
are anabolic steroids,
800
00:34:42,052 --> 00:34:44,455
Made from the male
sex hormone testosterone
801
00:34:44,456 --> 00:34:47,193
which tells the body to
increase muscle size and strength
802
00:34:47,194 --> 00:34:49,264
and helps to recover
from workouts faster.
803
00:34:49,265 --> 00:34:52,437
Like any drug, anabolic
steroids do have side effects.
804
00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:55,442
And if you abuse them the
side effects will be worse.
805
00:34:55,443 --> 00:34:57,579
For men,
they can cause acne,
806
00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,616
hair growth,
raised cholesterol,
807
00:34:59,617 --> 00:35:02,254
shrink your testicles
and lower your sperm count,
808
00:35:02,255 --> 00:35:04,224
which could even
make you sterile.
809
00:35:04,225 --> 00:35:05,894
But all of these
side effects
810
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:07,897
are reversible
when you go off the drugs.
811
00:35:07,898 --> 00:35:10,168
Otherwise, steroids
don't cause baldness,
812
00:35:10,169 --> 00:35:11,905
but if it runs
in your family
813
00:35:11,906 --> 00:35:13,641
they might make you
go bald faster.
814
00:35:13,642 --> 00:35:15,846
And they can also cause
gynecomastia,
815
00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:17,983
or what the gym rats call
"bitch tits."
816
00:35:17,984 --> 00:35:20,721
For women, in addition
to acne and hair growth,
817
00:35:20,722 --> 00:35:23,660
steroids can cause a deepened
voice, menstrual problems
818
00:35:23,661 --> 00:35:25,663
and can enlarge
the clitoris.
819
00:35:25,664 --> 00:35:27,667
And some of these
are not reversible.
820
00:35:27,668 --> 00:35:29,671
And for kids,
some experts think
821
00:35:29,672 --> 00:35:32,676
steroids can stunt growth by
closing growth plates prematurely.
822
00:35:32,677 --> 00:35:34,747
But that's actually
never been proven.
823
00:35:34,748 --> 00:35:38,387
There's also no proof that steroids
cause cancer, kidney failure,
824
00:35:38,388 --> 00:35:40,358
and only oral steroids
in high dosages
825
00:35:40,359 --> 00:35:42,394
can cause
liver problems.
826
00:35:42,395 --> 00:35:45,167
And it's true that steroids
can be one of 1000 risk factors
827
00:35:45,168 --> 00:35:47,938
that could lead to heart
disease, but then again
828
00:35:47,939 --> 00:35:50,709
low testosterone is
another big risk factor.
829
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:53,582
And Roid Rage? Steroids
can increase aggression,
830
00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:56,720
but that only happens in
about 5% of the population.
831
00:35:56,721 --> 00:35:59,960
And even then, they
can't make you psychotic.
832
00:35:59,961 --> 00:36:02,398
And as for the long-term
side effects,
833
00:36:02,399 --> 00:36:05,403
we don't know. No one's
ever done those studies.
834
00:36:05,404 --> 00:36:08,676
At what point do we say
that a behavior is such
835
00:36:08,677 --> 00:36:11,949
that people just shouldn't
be allowed to engage in it?
836
00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:14,386
I mean, we do
allow people
837
00:36:14,387 --> 00:36:17,225
to do lots of things
that can hurt themselves.
838
00:36:17,226 --> 00:36:20,397
America's new
junkies-- plastic surgery addicts.
839
00:36:20,398 --> 00:36:22,401
I've had my eyes done,
840
00:36:22,402 --> 00:36:25,373
rhinoplasty, chin cleft,
841
00:36:25,374 --> 00:36:28,713
pectoral implants,
bicep implants,
842
00:36:28,714 --> 00:36:31,151
buttock augmentation.
843
00:36:31,152 --> 00:36:33,522
And those are the ones
I can remember right offhand.
844
00:36:33,523 --> 00:36:36,126
Common sense tells
you this is dangerous and foolish.
845
00:36:36,127 --> 00:36:38,964
You wouldn't risk your neck
in a trick like this.
846
00:36:38,965 --> 00:36:41,502
Common sense tells us that
being shot out of a cannon
847
00:36:41,503 --> 00:36:43,941
Is dangerous business.
Handling dynamite--
848
00:36:43,942 --> 00:36:45,510
This too
looks dangerous.
849
00:36:45,511 --> 00:36:48,148
Whether
it's bungee jumping
850
00:36:48,149 --> 00:36:50,986
or skydiving
851
00:36:50,987 --> 00:36:52,990
or black-diamond
skiing--
852
00:36:52,991 --> 00:36:55,829
All of them
are fun to do
853
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:59,202
But would subject one
to tremendous risks
854
00:36:59,203 --> 00:37:01,172
with no real
necessity.
855
00:37:01,173 --> 00:37:05,112
And so if we allow
all of those other risks,
856
00:37:05,113 --> 00:37:07,650
why is it that we're
taking this position
857
00:37:07,651 --> 00:37:09,654
with respect
to anabolic steroids?
858
00:37:09,655 --> 00:37:13,461
And it's a fair start.
859
00:37:13,462 --> 00:37:16,099
1988, Seoul, Korea.
860
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,504
A Canadian sprinter
Ben Johnson
861
00:37:18,505 --> 00:37:20,508
defeated his archrival
Carl Lewis
862
00:37:20,509 --> 00:37:22,244
in the 100-meter sprint
863
00:37:22,245 --> 00:37:24,314
to become the fastest man
in history.
864
00:37:24,315 --> 00:37:26,185
It sure got our spirit up.
865
00:37:26,186 --> 00:37:28,255
Just great.
Hey, Benny!
866
00:37:28,256 --> 00:37:30,425
But 24 hours later
867
00:37:30,426 --> 00:37:32,463
he tested positive
for steroids
868
00:37:32,464 --> 00:37:35,836
and they gave the gold
medal to our guy, Carl Lewis.
869
00:37:35,837 --> 00:37:38,607
There was an
international uproar
870
00:37:38,608 --> 00:37:41,847
over the idea
that this Canadian sprinter
871
00:37:41,848 --> 00:37:44,919
had gotten an advantage
based on his use
872
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,125
of anabolic steroids
for its performance effect.
873
00:37:48,126 --> 00:37:50,796
And Congress responded
by holding some hearings.
874
00:37:50,797 --> 00:37:53,100
Ben Johnson would not
have been in the finals.
875
00:37:53,101 --> 00:37:55,572
He probably would not have
been on the Olympic team
876
00:37:55,573 --> 00:37:57,475
had he not
taken steroids.
877
00:37:57,476 --> 00:38:00,247
Congress wanted to pass
a law that would control steroids
878
00:38:00,248 --> 00:38:02,351
the same way as drugs
like cocaine and heroin
879
00:38:02,352 --> 00:38:04,722
and they called experts
from the D.E.A.,
880
00:38:04,723 --> 00:38:07,962
the F.D.A. and the American
Medical Association.
881
00:38:07,963 --> 00:38:10,766
But they all testified that
steroids should not be treated
882
00:38:10,767 --> 00:38:14,006
like illicit drugs. So Congress
disregarded their experts
883
00:38:14,007 --> 00:38:18,013
and in 1990 they passed the
Anabolic Steroid Control Act,
884
00:38:18,014 --> 00:38:21,386
turning non-medical users
into federal drug criminals.
885
00:38:21,387 --> 00:38:24,558
This wasn't so
much about health effects.
886
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,566
It was really on what
these things do that's good
887
00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:31,070
in the sense that
they build muscle,
888
00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:34,009
they improve the way
that people can perform.
889
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:36,680
And that
in a sports context
890
00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:38,751
was seen
as the ultimate evil.
891
00:38:38,752 --> 00:38:41,489
If we took a pie chart
of steroid use
892
00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:44,795
and we looked at
what percentage of that pie
893
00:38:44,796 --> 00:38:47,333
is comprised
of athletes
894
00:38:47,334 --> 00:38:50,239
it would be a very very
small slice of that pie.
895
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,010
The overwhelming
majority of the pie
896
00:38:53,011 --> 00:38:56,517
is comprised of the
recreational gym rat
897
00:38:56,518 --> 00:38:59,088
who's doing it purely
for cosmetic reasons.
898
00:38:59,089 --> 00:39:01,693
The irony is
that we've addressed
899
00:39:01,694 --> 00:39:03,697
a sports cheating issue
900
00:39:03,698 --> 00:39:05,801
by creating a law
901
00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:08,372
that affects all the folks
who aren't cheating in sports.
902
00:39:08,373 --> 00:39:10,910
One look at
Gregory Valentino's arms
903
00:39:10,911 --> 00:39:12,914
and you know
something's going on.
904
00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:15,418
The 40-year-old is charged
with criminal possession
905
00:39:15,419 --> 00:39:17,889
of anabolic steroids
with intent to sell.
906
00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:19,994
Some people may
call Gregg Valentino
907
00:39:19,995 --> 00:39:22,130
a freak and a felon.
I call him a neighbor.
908
00:39:22,131 --> 00:39:24,401
He lives down the
block from my grandma.
909
00:39:24,402 --> 00:39:26,839
He also happens to have the
biggest biceps in the world.
910
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,509
Holy crap.
911
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:30,112
Do you have difficulty
with just sort of
912
00:39:30,113 --> 00:39:32,483
the regular things in life,
like making a sandwich?
913
00:39:32,484 --> 00:39:35,121
No. No no.
914
00:39:35,122 --> 00:39:36,758
I can hit a 90-mile-an-hour
fastball.
915
00:39:36,759 --> 00:39:38,427
Any body wants to
challenge me-- let's do it.
916
00:39:38,428 --> 00:39:39,796
I'll show you.
Watch this.
917
00:39:39,797 --> 00:39:42,434
Oh! Oh! Oh!
918
00:39:42,435 --> 00:39:44,438
Come on, Gregg.
919
00:39:44,439 --> 00:39:46,107
Oof!
920
00:39:46,108 --> 00:39:49,113
I told you
I'm no Barry Bonds.
921
00:39:49,114 --> 00:39:52,386
I'm a red-meat man.
I eat a lot of red meat.
922
00:39:52,387 --> 00:39:54,556
Why do you think people
in America are so uptight
923
00:39:54,557 --> 00:39:56,961
About steroids
and steroid users?
924
00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:59,800
Because they fear--
925
00:39:59,801 --> 00:40:03,173
they fear
what they don't know.
926
00:40:03,174 --> 00:40:05,944
You know?
927
00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,549
That's ugly. Who the hell
would want to look like that?
928
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:10,051
I don't want
to look like that.
929
00:40:10,052 --> 00:40:11,955
Why did you want to look
like that then?
930
00:40:11,956 --> 00:40:14,326
Um, I mean,
I like being big.
931
00:40:14,327 --> 00:40:16,229
I had small-man complex, you know.
932
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:18,133
I'd be like, "I don't
want to be little."
933
00:40:18,134 --> 00:40:21,005
I wanted to be taller. I couldn't
grow taller, so I grew wider.
934
00:40:21,006 --> 00:40:23,677
Personally I think in the
picture that you showed me--
935
00:40:23,678 --> 00:40:25,881
- Oh, I look better.
- Your arms look a lot better there
936
00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:29,855
- than they look now, right? Wouldn't you agree?
- Without a doubt.
937
00:40:29,856 --> 00:40:32,192
I would rather look like
that. Do you think girls
938
00:40:32,193 --> 00:40:34,162
look at me and go,
"oh My God, that's hot"?
939
00:40:34,163 --> 00:40:36,400
They like...
"that's --ing gross."
940
00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:39,606
I walk into a club and the hottest
girl could be there with her boyfriend
941
00:40:39,607 --> 00:40:41,777
and her boyfriend
will see me
942
00:40:41,778 --> 00:40:43,813
and mush her in the face
to get over to me
943
00:40:43,814 --> 00:40:46,117
just to say to me, like,
"dude, what the --?"
944
00:40:46,118 --> 00:40:48,388
You're getting attention from
the guys, not from the girl.
945
00:40:48,389 --> 00:40:50,993
I don't give a shit. It's
attention. I can't explain it to you.
946
00:40:50,994 --> 00:40:53,464
It's like a mindset. Does
that make sense or no?
947
00:40:53,465 --> 00:40:55,468
But I tell you what--
when I'm done
948
00:40:55,469 --> 00:40:58,106
my biceps are humongous,
humongous.
949
00:40:58,107 --> 00:40:59,643
Like that-- bam!
950
00:40:59,644 --> 00:41:01,646
For myself, I'm kind of
on the fence.
951
00:41:01,647 --> 00:41:03,650
I have two brothers.
They're both taking steroids
952
00:41:03,651 --> 00:41:05,186
right as we speak
right now.
953
00:41:05,187 --> 00:41:07,190
I don't know
if I want people
954
00:41:07,191 --> 00:41:09,194
to think
I'm not cheating
955
00:41:09,195 --> 00:41:11,130
or to look at me
and say,
956
00:41:11,131 --> 00:41:14,203
"Wow, you know, you
really have a great build."
957
00:41:14,204 --> 00:41:17,241
But do you think I should
take steroids to get there?
958
00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:20,614
I think steroids are
as American as apple pie.
959
00:41:20,615 --> 00:41:22,351
We live in a society
today that--
960
00:41:22,352 --> 00:41:24,856
You got M.T.V.
And reality shows,
961
00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:27,293
Madonna's making out
with Britney Spears,
962
00:41:27,294 --> 00:41:30,165
Rap music and all that shit, and
you're worried about steroids?
963
00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:32,636
Kids are like, "--
you, cop. -- you, man,"
964
00:41:32,637 --> 00:41:35,842
Playing video games like grand
theft auto where you're killing cops.
965
00:41:35,843 --> 00:41:39,449
That's worse influence in my
opinion than steroids will ever be,
966
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:41,452
than Barry Bonds
hitting home runs.
967
00:41:41,453 --> 00:41:44,391
There's a big difference
between a kid taking steroids
968
00:41:44,392 --> 00:41:46,896
who's only had hair on
his dick a couple of years,
969
00:41:46,897 --> 00:41:49,968
as opposed to a grown man
who's looking to perform better
970
00:41:49,969 --> 00:41:52,238
At a better level
in sports.
971
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,242
And where is Schwarzenegger
in all this?
972
00:41:54,243 --> 00:41:56,246
I mean, he is the
poster boy for steroids.
973
00:41:56,247 --> 00:41:58,851
He's the poster boy for "hey,
look, look at me, look what I did.
974
00:41:58,852 --> 00:42:00,888
I came, I conquered,
I kicked ass."
975
00:42:00,889 --> 00:42:04,428
That autobiography says he
was doing it when he was 15-16.
976
00:42:04,429 --> 00:42:08,769
Hey, he won Mr. Universe
at 19 years old-- 19.
977
00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:11,073
Did you ever see what he
looked like when he was 19?
978
00:42:11,074 --> 00:42:13,311
Do you think it was god-given
genetics or do you think
979
00:42:13,312 --> 00:42:15,215
that maybe he took the
performance enhancers?
980
00:42:15,216 --> 00:42:17,218
A lot of people
idolize these guys,
981
00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:20,357
whether it's a rock star, a
bodybuilder, a movie star, whoever,
982
00:42:20,358 --> 00:42:22,928
and all of a sudden
you get to meet them
983
00:42:22,929 --> 00:42:24,732
and, man,
is it a let-down.
984
00:42:24,733 --> 00:42:28,706
Because they're never ever
what they appear to be.
985
00:42:28,707 --> 00:42:30,710
The guy you see
in public like this
986
00:42:30,711 --> 00:42:34,048
has got the middle finger
under the table going like this.
987
00:42:34,049 --> 00:42:36,420
It's never "what you see
is what you get."
988
00:42:36,421 --> 00:42:38,657
It's "what you see is
what they want you to see."
989
00:42:38,658 --> 00:42:40,995
Everybody idolized
Schwarzenegger growing up.
990
00:42:40,996 --> 00:42:43,499
Everybody thought,
"man, I wanna lift weights
991
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,503
and life a pure life
like Arnold.
992
00:42:45,504 --> 00:42:48,442
And I'm gonna eat all my vegetables
and take my protein shakes.
993
00:42:48,443 --> 00:42:51,448
Maybe I'll move out to
California, train at Gold's Gym.
994
00:42:51,449 --> 00:42:53,685
And I'm gonna get really
big. I'm gonna win contests.
995
00:42:53,686 --> 00:42:55,421
I'm gonna be
a movie star too."
996
00:42:55,422 --> 00:42:57,058
Please welcome a man
997
00:42:57,059 --> 00:43:00,530
whose story embodies
the American dream.
998
00:43:00,531 --> 00:43:02,534
One thing I learned
about America is
999
00:43:02,535 --> 00:43:05,640
that if you work hard and
if you play by the rules
1000
00:43:05,641 --> 00:43:08,011
this country is truly
open to you.
1001
00:43:08,012 --> 00:43:10,583
You can achieve
anything.
1002
00:43:10,584 --> 00:43:13,421
Dude, that is--
1003
00:43:13,422 --> 00:43:16,025
That is a pipe dream.
1004
00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:18,029
That is
a pipe dream, okay?
1005
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:20,033
To get where
Arnold got in life
1006
00:43:20,034 --> 00:43:22,438
you have to be willing
to step on a few fingers
1007
00:43:22,439 --> 00:43:25,143
and step on a few friends
and fuck a few people over.
1008
00:43:25,144 --> 00:43:26,912
You don't get to that
level without that.
1009
00:43:26,913 --> 00:43:28,749
In this world you're
either the barracuda
1010
00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:31,254
or you're that little minnow
swimming around like this.
1011
00:43:31,255 --> 00:43:32,823
And Arnold's
the barracuda.
1012
00:43:32,824 --> 00:43:34,927
And we'll all exercise
a little bit together
1013
00:43:34,928 --> 00:43:38,100
with the dumbbells. Come on
now, let's do some presses here.
1014
00:43:38,101 --> 00:43:40,337
In the same year
that George Bush Sr. signed
1015
00:43:40,338 --> 00:43:43,242
the Steroid Control Act he
also made Arnold Schwarzenegger
1016
00:43:43,243 --> 00:43:46,114
the chairman of the President's
Council on Physical Fitness.
1017
00:43:46,115 --> 00:43:47,984
So I'm confused.
1018
00:43:47,985 --> 00:43:50,522
Was the President saying
that a former steroid user
1019
00:43:50,523 --> 00:43:52,225
could still be a
role model for kids?
1020
00:43:52,226 --> 00:43:53,562
- Are you gonna exercise?
- Yeah!
1021
00:43:53,563 --> 00:43:55,131
We're gonna
pump up muscle!
1022
00:43:55,132 --> 00:43:57,535
Enter Steve Rogers,
1023
00:43:57,536 --> 00:43:59,639
Too puny to be
accepted by the army,
1024
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,611
but willing to risk
death for his country.
1025
00:44:02,612 --> 00:44:04,882
He's changing
right before our eyes!
1026
00:44:04,883 --> 00:44:06,886
Suddenly it is over
1027
00:44:06,887 --> 00:44:08,889
and America has
a new champion.
1028
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:11,995
Why do you think in America
superheroes are so important?
1029
00:44:11,996 --> 00:44:13,999
People need heroes,
1030
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,704
Whether in real life
or in fiction,
1031
00:44:16,705 --> 00:44:19,242
because they need somebody
to inspire them,
1032
00:44:19,243 --> 00:44:21,212
something to aim for,
1033
00:44:21,213 --> 00:44:23,517
somebody to try
to be like.
1034
00:44:23,518 --> 00:44:26,755
I think any boy
would want
1035
00:44:26,756 --> 00:44:29,126
to be built like
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
1036
00:44:29,127 --> 00:44:32,399
Did you ever want to be
big a muscular like that?
1037
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,770
I wanted to be a little--
when I'd go to the beach
1038
00:44:34,771 --> 00:44:37,675
I used to wish that my
arms were a little stronger.
1039
00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:40,381
I looked more like
the 98-lb weakling.
1040
00:44:40,382 --> 00:44:42,785
Did that ever inspire you,
that Charles Atlas comic strip?
1041
00:44:42,786 --> 00:44:45,723
- Did that inspire some of your characters?
- It inspired everybody.
1042
00:44:45,724 --> 00:44:47,994
Let me teach
you how to become strong.
1043
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:57,912
When you're young
you get impressions
1044
00:44:57,913 --> 00:45:00,718
That pretty much
last you all your life.
1045
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,122
If you step up
and show up
1046
00:45:03,123 --> 00:45:05,226
and play hard,
you're gonna play.
1047
00:45:05,227 --> 00:45:06,929
All right,
get a break.
1048
00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:08,932
Rock 'n' roll, fellas!
1049
00:45:08,933 --> 00:45:10,669
Smelly's now a coach
1050
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:12,673
for the local high-school
football team.
1051
00:45:12,674 --> 00:45:15,445
Kind of like Arnold, he just
wants to give back to the kids.
1052
00:45:15,446 --> 00:45:17,782
Going to school
was pretty painful for me.
1053
00:45:17,783 --> 00:45:20,554
Oftentimes I can find
the kid who is like me
1054
00:45:20,555 --> 00:45:22,558
and maybe doesn't have
the best confidence
1055
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,194
and show him
how to lift weights
1056
00:45:24,195 --> 00:45:25,796
and build him up
physically and mentally.
1057
00:45:28,035 --> 00:45:30,205
He's the kind of guy
1058
00:45:30,206 --> 00:45:32,943
who would get in your life
and slowly turn it around.
1059
00:45:32,944 --> 00:45:35,281
He keeps me going. He keeps
me motivated about something.
1060
00:45:35,282 --> 00:45:37,251
When he works with those
high school kids
1061
00:45:37,252 --> 00:45:40,189
that's his passion.
Not a lot of kids
1062
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:42,594
Have a strong male figure
in their life.
1063
00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:47,871
I mean, a lot of people--
they're usually very selfish,
1064
00:45:47,872 --> 00:45:50,208
but he's not. I've never really
met anyone that's like that.
1065
00:45:54,183 --> 00:45:55,785
There's a gym
in Columbus, Ohio,
1066
00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:58,189
Where the strongest guys
in the world train.
1067
00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:00,360
It's called
West Side Barbell.
1068
00:46:00,361 --> 00:46:03,800
And this is where Smelly learned
from his role model, Louie Simmons.
1069
00:46:03,801 --> 00:46:06,071
I've got a philosophy like
many-- when you go to war
1070
00:46:06,072 --> 00:46:08,976
you go to kill.
You don't go to get killed.
1071
00:46:08,977 --> 00:46:10,579
There's nobody
in this place
1072
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:12,549
that's not trying to be the
best athlete in the world.
1073
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:16,690
Everybody here is trying to
achieve an elite level of success.
1074
00:46:16,691 --> 00:46:18,761
Pretty much as you're a kid you
always want to be the strongest.
1075
00:46:18,762 --> 00:46:20,764
I always wanted to be
the strongest guy.
1076
00:46:20,765 --> 00:46:23,202
And I still want
to be that, you know.
1077
00:46:25,641 --> 00:46:28,245
In 1959 my
father showed me a book.
1078
00:46:28,246 --> 00:46:30,415
It was about the Russians
taking testosterone.
1079
00:46:30,416 --> 00:46:32,319
So I said,
"what the hell?
1080
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,224
First chance I got, I'm gonna
do some of this." and so I did.
1081
00:46:35,225 --> 00:46:38,063
I've actually been on
anabolic steroids for 36 years.
1082
00:46:38,064 --> 00:46:40,668
Matt, Matt, Matt,
Matt, Matt, Matt!
1083
00:46:40,669 --> 00:46:41,536
Up up up up up!
1084
00:46:43,941 --> 00:46:46,412
Is it something I
should be morally battling
1085
00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:48,081
or should I be fine
with doing it?
1086
00:46:48,082 --> 00:46:50,085
Your morals are
your morals, not mine.
1087
00:46:50,086 --> 00:46:53,290
Who am I to judge you? And
who are you to judge me?
1088
00:46:53,291 --> 00:46:56,029
You want to be strong
or you want to be weak?
1089
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:57,665
But you can't be strong
without doing steroids?
1090
00:46:57,666 --> 00:46:59,268
You can't be
as strong as possible.
1091
00:46:59,269 --> 00:47:01,974
If you want to reach the top
you're gonna have to do it.
1092
00:47:01,975 --> 00:47:04,845
Everybody thinks anabolic
steroids is the easy way out.
1093
00:47:04,846 --> 00:47:07,149
The people that train
with anabolic steroids
1094
00:47:07,150 --> 00:47:08,987
train way harder
than people that don't.
1095
00:47:08,988 --> 00:47:10,956
Regardless of what people
think of Barry Bonds,
1096
00:47:10,957 --> 00:47:13,027
you can't take
a bottle of testosterone,
1097
00:47:13,028 --> 00:47:14,663
put on Barry's
baseball uniform
1098
00:47:14,664 --> 00:47:16,900
and make him hit
700 home runs.
1099
00:47:16,901 --> 00:47:19,806
Barry's got to go out, train
and hit the 700 home runs.
1100
00:47:19,807 --> 00:47:21,809
But what if
the scientists came up
1101
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:23,980
with something better
than anabolic steroids?
1102
00:47:23,981 --> 00:47:26,818
You see cows, you see
immense, powerful cows,
1103
00:47:26,819 --> 00:47:29,557
And they basically have
changed their genes.
1104
00:47:29,558 --> 00:47:32,562
If they can change your
genes, would that be illegal?
1105
00:47:32,563 --> 00:47:35,267
What would they do then?
Just ban sports in general?
1106
00:47:35,268 --> 00:47:37,271
Oh My Lord.
1107
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,284
When people see these,
is the first question
1108
00:47:44,285 --> 00:47:46,288
"how many hormones
do you pump into them?"
1109
00:47:46,289 --> 00:47:48,091
Well, it's two comments.
One would be,
1110
00:47:48,092 --> 00:47:50,662
"oh my gosh, what did you
do to that thing?"
1111
00:47:50,663 --> 00:47:52,833
And secondly, "it looks
like Arnold Schwarzenegger."
1112
00:47:52,834 --> 00:47:54,837
This is a
Belgian Blue Bull--
1113
00:47:57,409 --> 00:48:01,482
2600 lbs, all muscle,
all natural.
1114
00:48:01,483 --> 00:48:03,986
So tell me again,
you're all natural?
1115
00:48:03,987 --> 00:48:05,957
You're not
taking anything?
1116
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:10,799
I think you're ready
for Congress.
1117
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,670
He has
a genetic mutation
1118
00:48:12,671 --> 00:48:14,940
that allows him to grow
double muscle.
1119
00:48:14,941 --> 00:48:16,710
And scientists
have figured out
1120
00:48:16,711 --> 00:48:19,014
how to genetically alter
humans the same way.
1121
00:48:19,015 --> 00:48:21,352
Dr. Lee Sweeney is
using this technology
1122
00:48:21,353 --> 00:48:23,222
to try to cure
muscular dystrophy.
1123
00:48:23,223 --> 00:48:25,693
It's obviously going to become
more and more evident
1124
00:48:25,694 --> 00:48:27,697
that what we call talent
1125
00:48:27,698 --> 00:48:30,435
is really
genetic variation.
1126
00:48:30,436 --> 00:48:32,906
There's genetic enhancement
available that might be able
1127
00:48:32,907 --> 00:48:35,712
to give you what
nature didn't give you.
1128
00:48:35,713 --> 00:48:39,218
Trying to figure out how
to do it in the safest way
1129
00:48:39,219 --> 00:48:41,255
Is something that
hasn't been worked out.
1130
00:48:41,256 --> 00:48:43,259
If you find out
that it's safe,
1131
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:45,496
would you be somebody
who would say, "hey--"?
1132
00:48:45,497 --> 00:48:46,832
Yeah, I would be
first in line.
1133
00:48:46,833 --> 00:48:48,334
'Cause it seems
like this is
1134
00:48:48,335 --> 00:48:51,140
the future of sports--
gene doping.
1135
00:48:51,141 --> 00:48:53,177
Gene doping, yeah.
I wouldn't do it.
1136
00:48:54,547 --> 00:48:57,285
Will gene doping ruin
sports in America?
1137
00:48:57,286 --> 00:48:59,088
I don't think so.
I mean, I think
1138
00:48:59,089 --> 00:49:01,092
any time there's
a new technology
1139
00:49:01,093 --> 00:49:03,729
everyone says, "okay,
we have to stand back
1140
00:49:03,730 --> 00:49:06,635
and think about what this is
really gonna mean to society."
1141
00:49:06,636 --> 00:49:08,305
And I think
that's the debate
1142
00:49:08,306 --> 00:49:10,209
we will come to
in the coming decades.
1143
00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:13,180
Good sportsmanship--
you know what that means?
1144
00:49:13,181 --> 00:49:15,551
Play fair.
1145
00:49:15,552 --> 00:49:17,856
When I was a kid
cheating was pretty clear-cut,
1146
00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:20,427
like when the million dollar
man hired the referee's
1147
00:49:20,428 --> 00:49:22,564
evil twin brother to cheat
the Hulkster out of his title.
1148
00:49:22,565 --> 00:49:24,869
Is that Dave
Hebner or is that Dave Hebner?
1149
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:27,870
You know, cheating in other sports
wasn't all that different.
1150
00:49:28,371 --> 00:49:29,371
Remember when Joe Necro
1151
00:49:28,367 --> 00:49:31,572
was hot-scuffing the ball
with an emery board?
1152
00:49:31,573 --> 00:49:33,408
Something
came out of his pocket.
1153
00:49:33,409 --> 00:49:35,813
Chris: And what about when the
Patriots were playing the Dolphins
1154
00:49:35,814 --> 00:49:38,050
And they hired
an ex-con to clear
1155
00:49:38,051 --> 00:49:40,088
a spot in the snow for
the field-goal kicker?
1156
00:49:40,089 --> 00:49:42,125
You can't do that.
1157
00:49:42,126 --> 00:49:43,861
I think it's
the most unfair thing
1158
00:49:43,862 --> 00:49:45,430
that I've ever been
associated in.
1159
00:49:45,431 --> 00:49:48,236
Or like when Rosie
Ruiz won the Boston Marathon.
1160
00:49:48,237 --> 00:49:51,408
The mystery woman winner. We
missed her at all our checkpoints.
1161
00:49:51,409 --> 00:49:54,414
Why take steroids
when you can take a bus?
1162
00:49:54,415 --> 00:49:56,083
And who can forget
when Tonya Harding
1163
00:49:56,084 --> 00:49:59,590
hired a goon to take out
Nancy Kerrigan's knee?
1164
00:49:59,591 --> 00:50:01,594
Why? Why?
1165
00:50:01,595 --> 00:50:03,731
I guess if you can't
beat 'em,
1166
00:50:03,732 --> 00:50:05,701
beat 'em
with a lead pipe.
1167
00:50:05,702 --> 00:50:08,540
But somehow steroids
seem kind of different.
1168
00:50:08,541 --> 00:50:11,111
I thought in undergraduate
school and in college
1169
00:50:11,112 --> 00:50:12,747
I was a pretty good
athlete.
1170
00:50:12,748 --> 00:50:15,520
But I find
myself angry,
1171
00:50:15,521 --> 00:50:18,425
angry in my gut
1172
00:50:18,426 --> 00:50:22,065
because these are the same guys
that would have taken me out,
1173
00:50:22,066 --> 00:50:24,469
taken me out
not because they had
1174
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:27,341
more god-given
natural talent than me
1175
00:50:27,342 --> 00:50:31,249
but because they enhanced
with artificial means.
1176
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:33,786
If using
steroids is cheating,
1177
00:50:33,787 --> 00:50:36,691
seems like a whole bunch of other
stuff should be cheating too.
1178
00:50:36,692 --> 00:50:39,831
Take Tiger Woods, for example.
He had Lasik eye surgery
1179
00:50:39,832 --> 00:50:43,204
and now his vision is 20/15.
That's better than perfect.
1180
00:50:43,205 --> 00:50:45,808
My eyes are stable.
My game's a lot better.
1181
00:50:45,809 --> 00:50:47,646
I felt pretty good
coming in.
1182
00:50:47,647 --> 00:50:49,815
In a game that relies
so much on depth perception,
1183
00:50:49,816 --> 00:50:53,455
wouldn't superhuman vision
be a performance enhancement?
1184
00:50:53,456 --> 00:50:55,226
Then there's
cortisone shots.
1185
00:50:55,227 --> 00:50:57,497
They helped Curt Schilling
win the World Series.
1186
00:50:57,498 --> 00:50:59,533
And those are
steroids too.
1187
00:50:59,534 --> 00:51:03,574
Truth is, corticosteroids can have worse
side effects than anabolic steroids,
1188
00:51:03,575 --> 00:51:05,912
but they're used
in sports every day.
1189
00:51:05,913 --> 00:51:07,815
He had a 20-minute
cortisone shot
1190
00:51:07,816 --> 00:51:10,421
after Monday's match after
his back tightened up.
1191
00:51:10,422 --> 00:51:12,357
Here's an even
more confusing example--
1192
00:51:12,358 --> 00:51:14,027
Floyd Landis claims
1193
00:51:14,028 --> 00:51:16,197
that he did not take steroids
to win the Tour De France.
1194
00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:18,435
Truth is, I
didn't use testosterone
1195
00:51:18,436 --> 00:51:20,272
like I'm accused of doing.
I didn't cheat.
1196
00:51:20,273 --> 00:51:22,476
I didn't do anything
outside of the rules.
1197
00:51:22,477 --> 00:51:25,849
I won the Tour clean
and I deserved to win.
1198
00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:27,418
I'm proud of it
and I always will be.
1199
00:51:27,419 --> 00:51:30,523
But he did sleep in
his own altitude chamber.
1200
00:51:30,524 --> 00:51:32,527
I got my
altitude chamber
1201
00:51:32,528 --> 00:51:34,632
out by the garage
these days.
1202
00:51:34,633 --> 00:51:37,003
So you made this?
1203
00:51:37,004 --> 00:51:38,905
Yeah, it's not actually
that hard to make.
1204
00:51:38,907 --> 00:51:41,478
I didn't make the pipe. I got the
pipe from some construction site.
1205
00:51:41,479 --> 00:51:43,014
They were putting in
a water main.
1206
00:51:43,015 --> 00:51:44,650
Is the result
pretty good?
1207
00:51:44,651 --> 00:51:45,985
For me it makes
a difference, yeah.
1208
00:51:45,986 --> 00:51:48,023
And how long do you
stay in here for?
1209
00:51:48,024 --> 00:51:50,828
Just sleep in there all night.
I don't know, six or seven hours.
1210
00:51:50,829 --> 00:51:52,831
Is your wife like,
"what are you doing?"
1211
00:51:52,832 --> 00:51:54,835
"I'm gonna sleep
in the chamber."
1212
00:51:54,836 --> 00:51:56,305
She hates it.
1213
00:51:56,306 --> 00:51:57,974
So you just climb
in there?
1214
00:51:57,975 --> 00:51:59,511
Yeah, you want
to try it out?
1215
00:51:59,512 --> 00:52:01,748
You won't have a monitor
in there, but I have it set
1216
00:52:01,749 --> 00:52:03,051
to, like,
about 13,000'.
1217
00:52:06,057 --> 00:52:08,360
See, sleeping
in an altitude chamber
1218
00:52:08,361 --> 00:52:10,364
produces a lot more
red blood cells,
1219
00:52:10,365 --> 00:52:12,368
which means more oxygen
in your system,
1220
00:52:12,369 --> 00:52:15,807
which means more endurance for a
cyclist or a long-distance runner.
1221
00:52:15,808 --> 00:52:18,679
There are four ways to increase
your red blood cell count.
1222
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,019
You can sleep in an
altitude chamber like Floyd
1223
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:24,757
or you can just train at the
U.S. Olympic training center
1224
00:52:24,758 --> 00:52:26,794
at 6,000'
in Colorado.
1225
00:52:26,795 --> 00:52:28,664
Then there's
blood doping.
1226
00:52:28,665 --> 00:52:31,202
That's when you draw your own
blood a month before the big race,
1227
00:52:31,203 --> 00:52:33,339
then re-inject it
the night before.
1228
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:35,744
Finally, there's a drug
called E.P.O.
1229
00:52:35,745 --> 00:52:37,614
which simply
tells your body
1230
00:52:37,615 --> 00:52:39,484
to produce more
red blood cells.
1231
00:52:39,485 --> 00:52:41,821
So that's four ways to
do the exact same thing,
1232
00:52:41,822 --> 00:52:45,495
but two are allowed
and two are cheating.
1233
00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:47,766
You done yet?
1234
00:52:51,273 --> 00:52:54,245
Hey.
That's kind of weird.
1235
00:52:54,246 --> 00:52:56,816
No, it's nice, man. Once you get used
to it it's nice sleeping in there.
1236
00:52:56,817 --> 00:52:58,920
What's heartbreaking
is my eight-year-old--
1237
00:52:58,921 --> 00:53:00,856
his two favorite athletes are
Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong.
1238
00:53:00,857 --> 00:53:03,227
My four-year-old is obsessed
with Floyd Landis.
1239
00:53:03,228 --> 00:53:05,365
So what do you tell these kids?
I talk to people all the time
1240
00:53:05,366 --> 00:53:07,335
That they go, "who can
my kids believe in?"
1241
00:53:07,336 --> 00:53:09,505
And I want to tell them
is "nobody."
1242
00:53:09,506 --> 00:53:11,743
I ask not to be judged
and much less
1243
00:53:11,744 --> 00:53:13,680
to be sentenced
by anyone.
1244
00:53:13,681 --> 00:53:16,853
You can't trust anybody now because
the testing is so ineffective.
1245
00:53:16,854 --> 00:53:19,257
You don't know who's really
clean, who's really dirty.
1246
00:53:19,258 --> 00:53:22,196
Were you taking any
sort of drugs for that race?
1247
00:53:22,197 --> 00:53:24,200
Not what they
fined me with, no.
1248
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,270
- But you were taking other stuff.
- Other stuff, yeah.
1249
00:53:26,271 --> 00:53:27,940
But isn't that
still cheating?
1250
00:53:27,941 --> 00:53:30,644
Still cheating, yeah,
like everybody else.
1251
00:53:30,645 --> 00:53:32,315
So that's how
you justify it--
1252
00:53:32,316 --> 00:53:33,917
- Everybody's cheating?
- Yes.
1253
00:53:33,918 --> 00:53:35,821
When I interviewed Ben
Johnson he basically said,
1254
00:53:35,822 --> 00:53:37,524
"look, everybody was
on something."
1255
00:53:37,525 --> 00:53:41,966
Well, you know, Ben--
and bless his heart,
1256
00:53:41,967 --> 00:53:44,035
he's got to say
everyone was on something.
1257
00:53:44,036 --> 00:53:47,041
That's justifying
his own means.
1258
00:53:47,042 --> 00:53:48,644
So he has a problem
with you beating--
1259
00:53:48,645 --> 00:53:50,314
he has a problem--
he has a problem
1260
00:53:50,315 --> 00:53:52,752
- of, you know, me beating him.
- Yeah.
1261
00:53:52,753 --> 00:53:54,755
When we were taking
that victory stand,
1262
00:53:54,756 --> 00:53:56,859
we were on the stand
and he got the gold medal,
1263
00:53:56,860 --> 00:53:59,164
he didn't smile.
He never smiled.
1264
00:53:59,165 --> 00:54:00,901
He never celebrated.
And the thing is,
1265
00:54:00,902 --> 00:54:04,139
he couldn't really inside share
in the joy of winning. He cheated.
1266
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:06,143
You cheat.
Everybody cheats.
1267
00:54:06,144 --> 00:54:07,813
Nobody in this world
is perfect.
1268
00:54:07,814 --> 00:54:09,483
Nobody in this life
is perfect-- nobody.
1269
00:54:09,484 --> 00:54:13,090
They know that in 1988
six Americans at least
1270
00:54:13,091 --> 00:54:15,094
tested positive in Seoul.
And they all shut up
1271
00:54:15,095 --> 00:54:17,531
because the biggest money
comes from America.
1272
00:54:17,532 --> 00:54:19,534
So who's gonna
get shafted,
1273
00:54:19,535 --> 00:54:21,538
Americans
or Ben Johnson?
1274
00:54:21,539 --> 00:54:24,510
I think that Ben
Johnson was unfairly singled out.
1275
00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:27,382
I think that there's
always scapegoats.
1276
00:54:27,383 --> 00:54:30,655
Is there a lot of drug use
going on in Olympics?
1277
00:54:30,656 --> 00:54:33,794
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
1278
00:54:33,795 --> 00:54:36,398
Dr. Exum was the
Director of Anti-Doping
1279
00:54:36,399 --> 00:54:38,603
at the U.S. Olympic Committee
for 10 years.
1280
00:54:38,604 --> 00:54:41,308
He thought his job was
to stop drugs in sports,
1281
00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:43,813
but his bosses had
other priorities.
1282
00:54:43,814 --> 00:54:46,551
He told me that over
2000 American athletes
1283
00:54:46,552 --> 00:54:49,122
failed their drug tests,
including Carl Lewis,
1284
00:54:49,123 --> 00:54:50,959
and they were
covered up.
1285
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,029
Nobody believes Carl Lewis
ever failed a drug test.
1286
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:54,866
- Do you have any proof?
- Oh, certainly.
1287
00:54:54,867 --> 00:54:58,439
We have just boxes of proof
for everything that I say.
1288
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,443
There it is,
book three.
1289
00:55:00,444 --> 00:55:03,649
Here's a letter from
then Executive Director
1290
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:06,388
Baaron Pittenger
to Mr. Lewis.
1291
00:55:06,389 --> 00:55:09,426
"I must confirm that the
analysis for your specimen 'B'
1292
00:55:09,427 --> 00:55:12,332
was positive for
pseudoephedrine, ephedrine,
1293
00:55:12,333 --> 00:55:14,770
And phenylpropanolee--
lamine--
1294
00:55:14,771 --> 00:55:16,873
- Is that what is is?
- Phenylpropanolamine, yeah.
1295
00:55:16,874 --> 00:55:18,643
--IOC banned stimulants.
1296
00:55:18,644 --> 00:55:21,648
By policy of the U.S.O.C.,
this finding is cause
1297
00:55:21,649 --> 00:55:24,019
for disqualification
from the Olympic team
1298
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:27,125
to the 1988 Summer Olympic
Games in Seoul, Korea."
1299
00:55:27,126 --> 00:55:29,563
Wow.
1300
00:55:29,564 --> 00:55:31,467
This is basically
a letter that said
1301
00:55:31,468 --> 00:55:32,903
that you had failed
the test
1302
00:55:32,904 --> 00:55:35,708
and that there was a
consequence to that failure.
1303
00:55:35,709 --> 00:55:38,881
As we all know,
that didn't come about.
1304
00:55:38,882 --> 00:55:41,485
You actually received
a letter, or a call--
1305
00:55:41,486 --> 00:55:43,489
- Yes. - --that you had
failed the drug test--
1306
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:45,592
- Right. - --because
of some stimulants?
1307
00:55:45,593 --> 00:55:46,896
Yeah, it was like
1308
00:55:46,897 --> 00:55:48,999
a cold medicine type thing,
the herbal supplement.
1309
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,603
They made up this term. It
was called "inadvertent use"--
1310
00:55:51,604 --> 00:55:54,843
an athlete took something
without meaning to take it
1311
00:55:54,844 --> 00:55:58,316
or without meaning to gain
an advantage from taking it.
1312
00:55:58,317 --> 00:56:00,353
Mm-hmm.
And so they made that up
1313
00:56:00,354 --> 00:56:02,190
to basically kind of
let people off the hook?
1314
00:56:02,191 --> 00:56:04,160
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
1315
00:56:04,161 --> 00:56:07,065
Carl's story is--
it's been a cold medicine;
1316
00:56:07,066 --> 00:56:09,571
it's been a tea; it's been
some kind of a nutrient.
1317
00:56:09,572 --> 00:56:12,075
- It's a stimulant. - CHRIS: So
you're saying these athletes--
1318
00:56:12,076 --> 00:56:14,513
- they know what's on the banned substance list?
- They totally know.
1319
00:56:14,514 --> 00:56:16,851
They are bombarded with
the banned substance list.
1320
00:56:16,852 --> 00:56:18,854
A lot of people say
you failed the drug test,
1321
00:56:18,855 --> 00:56:20,858
you raced against
Ben Johnson,
1322
00:56:20,859 --> 00:56:24,331
and that maybe--
maybe the gold medal
1323
00:56:24,332 --> 00:56:26,335
- should go to the guy next on the stand.
- I understand.
1324
00:56:26,336 --> 00:56:29,240
There are a lot of people that are
going to go to their graves saying,
1325
00:56:29,241 --> 00:56:31,344
"I know he did it." and you
know what? To hell with them.
1326
00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:36,753
You really cannot
fault the athlete for doing that.
1327
00:56:36,754 --> 00:56:40,293
You can't fault Carl
when Carl's belief is
1328
00:56:40,294 --> 00:56:43,432
that the system sets some rules
and that you need to follow them.
1329
00:56:43,433 --> 00:56:45,436
And they made an
exception in his case.
1330
00:56:45,437 --> 00:56:48,575
They made an exception in
a lot of people's cases.
1331
00:56:48,576 --> 00:56:50,746
But it's the system
1332
00:56:50,747 --> 00:56:53,384
that actually teaches
athletes to think that way.
1333
00:56:53,385 --> 00:56:55,388
You know, for me
1334
00:56:55,389 --> 00:56:57,725
the whole "level playing
field" was a myth.
1335
00:56:57,726 --> 00:57:01,065
If we could not do anything
to take doping out of sports
1336
00:57:01,066 --> 00:57:04,505
then doping was
meant to be in sports.
1337
00:57:04,506 --> 00:57:08,211
The first all-drug Olympics
opened today in Bogota, Colombia.
1338
00:57:08,212 --> 00:57:11,150
Athletes are allowed to
take any substance whatsoever
1339
00:57:11,151 --> 00:57:13,721
before, after, and even
during the competition.
1340
00:57:17,429 --> 00:57:19,732
Oh! He's pulled
his arms off!
1341
00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:22,638
He's pulled his arms off. That's got
to be disappointing to the big Russian.
1342
00:57:26,212 --> 00:57:28,215
Yeah!
1343
00:57:28,216 --> 00:57:31,387
What has made
every major sport
1344
00:57:31,388 --> 00:57:33,324
a multi-billion-dollar
entity?
1345
00:57:33,325 --> 00:57:35,729
Well, after you
distill it all down,
1346
00:57:35,730 --> 00:57:37,298
it's the desire
of the customer,
1347
00:57:37,299 --> 00:57:40,537
the fans that fill
these seats and others,
1348
00:57:40,538 --> 00:57:44,111
to see bigger-than-life people
doing bigger-than-life things.
1349
00:57:44,112 --> 00:57:46,749
What do you think about
athletes using steroids in sports?
1350
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:48,920
Steroids?
I love it if they're on my team.
1351
00:57:48,921 --> 00:57:51,157
I think it's totally wrong,
totally wrong.
1352
00:57:51,158 --> 00:57:52,793
- Worst offense. Throw them out.
- It's cheating?
1353
00:57:52,794 --> 00:57:54,664
Hell yeah, it's cheating.
Are you kidding me?
1354
00:57:56,601 --> 00:57:59,205
Oh!
1355
00:58:01,611 --> 00:58:03,446
It all gets back to money.
1356
00:58:03,447 --> 00:58:05,216
As long as people
continue to buy
1357
00:58:05,217 --> 00:58:08,255
Mark McGuire shirts,
Barry Bonds hats,
1358
00:58:08,256 --> 00:58:10,659
we're feeding
that monster.
1359
00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:13,164
You vote for the Raiders
by wearing the Raiders hat.
1360
00:58:13,165 --> 00:58:14,934
You cast your vote for
Nike with your T-shirt.
1361
00:58:14,935 --> 00:58:17,505
You know, every day when you
pick a dollar out of your pocket
1362
00:58:17,506 --> 00:58:19,676
you're voting.
And if you don't like
1363
00:58:19,677 --> 00:58:23,015
athletes juicing up, then
don't vote to have that done.
1364
00:58:23,016 --> 00:58:25,186
Don't buy their stuff.
Don't go to the game.
1365
00:58:25,187 --> 00:58:27,190
Do steroids.
Become governor.
1366
00:58:27,191 --> 00:58:29,361
Be big and strong,
no girly man.
1367
00:58:29,362 --> 00:58:31,732
- The Giants, baby!
- Whoo!
1368
00:58:31,733 --> 00:58:34,269
Shockey!
1369
00:58:34,270 --> 00:58:36,006
Whoo!
1370
00:58:36,007 --> 00:58:37,776
Since the
steroid scandals broke
1371
00:58:37,777 --> 00:58:39,847
sports revenue has gone
through the roof.
1372
00:58:39,848 --> 00:58:43,320
People are buying more tickets,
T-shirts as souvenirs than ever.
1373
00:58:43,321 --> 00:58:45,791
So if this is what we
the people are voting for,
1374
00:58:45,792 --> 00:58:48,362
why did Congress
get involved?
1375
00:58:48,363 --> 00:58:50,600
They always tell you that
if you have a problem,
1376
00:58:50,601 --> 00:58:52,603
Talk to your
Congressman.
1377
00:58:52,604 --> 00:58:55,642
Lucky for me, my
Congressman is Henry Waxman.
1378
00:58:55,643 --> 00:58:57,445
- Hey, how are you?
- I'm fine. How are you?
1379
00:58:57,446 --> 00:58:58,982
Very nice to meet you.
Chris Bell.
1380
00:58:58,983 --> 00:59:00,351
He's the one who called
1381
00:59:00,352 --> 00:59:02,354
the baseball hearings
in the first place.
1382
00:59:02,355 --> 00:59:04,358
He's got to have
some answers.
1383
00:59:04,359 --> 00:59:06,362
I think it's important
1384
00:59:06,363 --> 00:59:09,133
for sports figures
1385
00:59:09,134 --> 00:59:11,571
in major league sports
1386
00:59:11,572 --> 00:59:13,575
not to be allowed
1387
00:59:13,576 --> 00:59:16,647
to use steroids
under any circumstance.
1388
00:59:16,648 --> 00:59:18,517
And for young people--
1389
00:59:18,518 --> 00:59:21,155
we certainly don't want
them to be using it.
1390
00:59:21,156 --> 00:59:24,428
So the drug is
a restricted drug.
1391
00:59:24,429 --> 00:59:27,033
It's not--
there's not a--
1392
00:59:27,034 --> 00:59:29,738
Let me--
1393
00:59:29,739 --> 00:59:32,075
Brian, is it illegal
to use--?
1394
00:59:32,076 --> 00:59:33,946
it's illegal--
it's legal
1395
00:59:33,947 --> 00:59:35,615
under some circumstances.
What's--?
1396
00:59:35,616 --> 00:59:37,352
It's legal
with a prescription--
1397
00:59:37,353 --> 00:59:39,623
- legal with-- okay.
- --A medical prescription.
1398
00:59:39,624 --> 00:59:41,493
It's legal with
a medical prescription.
1399
00:59:41,494 --> 00:59:43,397
And the other drug
was the...
1400
00:59:43,398 --> 00:59:45,567
testosterone or just
steroids in general.
1401
00:59:45,568 --> 00:59:47,938
Well, I think that
they're also banned.
1402
00:59:47,939 --> 00:59:50,543
They're already banned
in professional sports.
1403
00:59:50,544 --> 00:59:52,814
Brian, am I right?
Speak up if I'm wrong.
1404
00:59:52,815 --> 00:59:53,983
- Yes.
- Okay.
1405
00:59:53,984 --> 00:59:56,254
Well, these products
are already banned.
1406
00:59:56,255 --> 00:59:59,359
Cigarettes
and alcohol
1407
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,363
are legally
available,
1408
01:00:01,364 --> 01:00:04,168
but not if you're
under the age.
1409
01:00:04,169 --> 01:00:06,172
And I think the age
1410
01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:08,943
is 18 for both
all around the country.
1411
01:00:08,944 --> 01:00:12,116
Is it 18 or 21? I'm
getting confused. What?
1412
01:00:12,117 --> 01:00:13,618
21.
21.
1413
01:00:13,619 --> 01:00:15,556
- Okay, so strike that.
- That's all right.
1414
01:00:15,557 --> 01:00:17,593
President Bush allotted
1415
01:00:17,594 --> 01:00:20,031
$15 million
for steroid education.
1416
01:00:20,032 --> 01:00:21,967
Where has
that money gone?
1417
01:00:21,968 --> 01:00:24,706
Um, I don't know.
1418
01:00:24,707 --> 01:00:27,177
Do you know?
1419
01:00:27,178 --> 01:00:28,680
Okay, we don't know.
1420
01:00:28,681 --> 01:00:31,518
- Okay.
- So...
1421
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:33,522
It's a war on drugs
1422
01:00:33,523 --> 01:00:35,559
and Congressmen want
to be tough on drugs,
1423
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,562
so they just
demonize them all.
1424
01:00:37,563 --> 01:00:39,700
And they say, "oh, our children
are being exposed to them.
1425
01:00:39,701 --> 01:00:41,704
They're gonna kill
our children."
1426
01:00:41,705 --> 01:00:44,142
And they just paint
everything in black and white.
1427
01:00:44,143 --> 01:00:46,413
And they really don't
see the areas in between.
1428
01:00:46,414 --> 01:00:48,617
For those of us
who live in the grey areas
1429
01:00:48,618 --> 01:00:50,453
and whose life
depends on it.
1430
01:00:50,454 --> 01:00:52,055
It's a very
important issue.
1431
01:00:52,056 --> 01:00:54,260
Politicians
are always looking
1432
01:00:54,261 --> 01:00:56,297
for an issue
to get behind.
1433
01:00:56,298 --> 01:00:58,134
They're always looking
for something
1434
01:00:58,135 --> 01:00:59,970
to be able to say
to the public,
1435
01:00:59,971 --> 01:01:01,841
"hey, look at what
my legislation's doing.
1436
01:01:01,842 --> 01:01:03,210
Look at what
my bill has done.
1437
01:01:03,211 --> 01:01:06,081
I'm out there.
I'm protecting you.
1438
01:01:06,082 --> 01:01:08,152
I'm protecting
the children."
1439
01:01:08,153 --> 01:01:10,256
Turns out the
most important witness
1440
01:01:10,257 --> 01:01:13,095
at the baseball hearings
was not a famous athlete.
1441
01:01:13,096 --> 01:01:15,566
Taylor Hooton was
a 17-year-old kid
1442
01:01:15,567 --> 01:01:19,005
who committed suicide and
his father blamed steroids.
1443
01:01:19,006 --> 01:01:21,911
I believe
the poor example
1444
01:01:21,912 --> 01:01:24,249
being set
by professional athletes
1445
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,720
is a major catalyst
fueling
1446
01:01:26,721 --> 01:01:29,091
the high usage of steroids
amongst our kids.
1447
01:01:29,092 --> 01:01:31,328
And parents
across America
1448
01:01:31,329 --> 01:01:33,665
should hold you
accountable
1449
01:01:33,666 --> 01:01:36,070
for behavior
that inspires our kids
1450
01:01:36,071 --> 01:01:38,474
to do things that put
their health at risk
1451
01:01:38,475 --> 01:01:40,478
and that teaches them
that the ethics
1452
01:01:40,479 --> 01:01:42,983
we try to teach them
around our kitchen table
1453
01:01:42,984 --> 01:01:45,454
somehow don't apply
to them.
1454
01:01:45,455 --> 01:01:47,458
Please help us to see
1455
01:01:47,459 --> 01:01:50,129
that our children's lives
were not lost in vain.
1456
01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:52,868
You have the power
to do something about it
1457
01:01:52,869 --> 01:01:55,706
and we're counting
on you to do so.
1458
01:01:55,707 --> 01:01:57,442
Donald Hooton coming in
1459
01:01:57,443 --> 01:01:59,180
and putting
a human face on it
1460
01:01:59,181 --> 01:02:02,653
was more powerful
than the scientific--
1461
01:02:02,654 --> 01:02:04,957
the statistics
or any of that stuff.
1462
01:02:04,958 --> 01:02:07,628
On average,
5,000 kids a year
1463
01:02:07,629 --> 01:02:09,666
commit suicide
in America.
1464
01:02:09,667 --> 01:02:12,337
And most parents
never know exactly why.
1465
01:02:12,338 --> 01:02:14,675
I wanted to find out why
Donald Hooton is so sure
1466
01:02:14,676 --> 01:02:17,279
that the answer could
be as simple as steroids.
1467
01:02:25,229 --> 01:02:26,730
- How are you doing?
- Fine.
1468
01:02:26,731 --> 01:02:28,834
- Chris Henry.
- Don Hooton. Nice to meet you.
1469
01:02:28,835 --> 01:02:32,139
This is a very very
competitive community
1470
01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:34,612
all the way from
athletics to business.
1471
01:02:34,613 --> 01:02:37,850
So you wind up
in an affluent area
1472
01:02:37,851 --> 01:02:41,156
where these kids can afford
to play with this stuff.
1473
01:02:41,157 --> 01:02:43,494
And of course in
hindsight as we look back,
1474
01:02:43,495 --> 01:02:45,598
all of the signs were
staring us in the face--
1475
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,170
The behavior problems,
the physical changes,
1476
01:02:48,171 --> 01:02:50,440
but we had no idea
what we were looking at.
1477
01:02:50,441 --> 01:02:52,410
If we go back
to the medical textbook,
1478
01:02:52,411 --> 01:02:55,316
the depression that comes
along with steroid use is bad,
1479
01:02:55,317 --> 01:02:58,656
but it's worse in that
four-to-six-week period
1480
01:02:58,657 --> 01:03:01,160
following stopping
using this stuff.
1481
01:03:01,161 --> 01:03:03,431
And it was
during that period
1482
01:03:03,432 --> 01:03:05,434
that his mother
found him
1483
01:03:05,435 --> 01:03:07,939
hanging on the door
in his bedroom.
1484
01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:09,275
Jeez.
1485
01:03:09,276 --> 01:03:11,278
Taylor Hooton's dad,
Don Hooton,
1486
01:03:11,279 --> 01:03:14,484
called me shortly after
1487
01:03:14,485 --> 01:03:17,056
Taylor had taken
his life.
1488
01:03:17,057 --> 01:03:19,760
Together we came up
with the idea
1489
01:03:19,761 --> 01:03:21,865
of creating
a private organization...
1490
01:03:21,866 --> 01:03:23,835
...to educate
the public
1491
01:03:23,836 --> 01:03:25,838
about the dangers
1492
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,142
of anabolic steroid abuse.
1493
01:03:28,143 --> 01:03:30,013
This is Taylor's room.
1494
01:03:30,014 --> 01:03:31,850
You don't have to come
in here long to realize
1495
01:03:31,851 --> 01:03:33,519
Taylor was
a baseball player.
1496
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,560
'Cause he started maybe
five years old in T-ball.
1497
01:03:37,561 --> 01:03:41,601
But Taylor was
a great kid.
1498
01:03:41,602 --> 01:03:43,872
We took Taylor
to a psychiatrist
1499
01:03:43,873 --> 01:03:46,810
and she put him on
a low dose of Lexapro.
1500
01:03:46,811 --> 01:03:49,282
And as far as I know,
1501
01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:51,920
this is the only
steroid-related case
1502
01:03:51,921 --> 01:03:55,694
that this well-meaning
psychiatrist had ever had.
1503
01:03:55,695 --> 01:03:59,367
And when the psychiatrist
recommended that Taylor go cold turkey
1504
01:03:59,368 --> 01:04:01,705
and stop using steroids...
1505
01:04:03,742 --> 01:04:05,912
it was a formula
for disaster.
1506
01:04:05,913 --> 01:04:08,250
I feel terrible, obviously,
about Taylor Hooton,
1507
01:04:08,251 --> 01:04:10,621
But Taylor Hooton had
a lot of problems
1508
01:04:10,622 --> 01:04:12,625
and he was on other drugs.
1509
01:04:12,626 --> 01:04:14,628
According to some
newspaper accounts,
1510
01:04:14,629 --> 01:04:17,233
he was on S.S.R.I.S--
antidepressants
1511
01:04:17,234 --> 01:04:19,236
which have been shown
to be associated
1512
01:04:19,237 --> 01:04:22,142
with suicidal ideation
and suicidal behavior.
1513
01:04:22,143 --> 01:04:25,047
So whether his suicide
was due to Lexapro
1514
01:04:25,048 --> 01:04:27,185
or due to steroids
or due to depression
1515
01:04:27,186 --> 01:04:29,522
or due to stress
of being a great athlete,
1516
01:04:29,523 --> 01:04:31,693
there are five other
things-- I don't know.
1517
01:04:31,694 --> 01:04:33,831
Do you think
that perhaps--
1518
01:04:33,832 --> 01:04:36,636
when I look
at your website,
1519
01:04:36,637 --> 01:04:39,440
The Taylor Hooton
Foundation--
1520
01:04:39,441 --> 01:04:41,845
do you think
it's a responsibility
1521
01:04:41,846 --> 01:04:45,652
to include
antidepressants in there
1522
01:04:45,653 --> 01:04:47,656
just in case
there are critics
1523
01:04:47,657 --> 01:04:49,660
or just to raise
the awareness
1524
01:04:49,661 --> 01:04:52,398
of how dangerous perhaps
antidepressants may be?
1525
01:04:52,399 --> 01:04:54,402
No, I don't.
And the reason is,
1526
01:04:54,403 --> 01:04:57,540
our battle is not with antidepressants.
Our battle's with steroids.
1527
01:04:57,541 --> 01:05:00,479
The National Institute
on Drug Abuse said
1528
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,483
the dangers
of anabolic steroids
1529
01:05:02,484 --> 01:05:04,955
are temporary
and reversible.
1530
01:05:04,956 --> 01:05:06,958
My son is dead.
1531
01:05:09,263 --> 01:05:12,802
All of the intellectual
arguments
1532
01:05:12,803 --> 01:05:14,271
about whether or not
1533
01:05:14,272 --> 01:05:17,844
steroids are dangerous
or not
1534
01:05:17,845 --> 01:05:19,848
don't matter to me.
1535
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:21,785
I know
they're dangerous.
1536
01:05:21,786 --> 01:05:25,092
I saw it with my own eyes
and I watched my son die.
1537
01:05:25,093 --> 01:05:27,763
The only evidence I need
is the pictures of my son
1538
01:05:27,764 --> 01:05:29,766
that are on the wall
behind you.
1539
01:05:29,767 --> 01:05:30,668
Mm-hmm.
1540
01:05:33,541 --> 01:05:35,510
Look, I have a son too.
1541
01:05:35,511 --> 01:05:38,182
And the last thing in the
world I could ever imagine doing
1542
01:05:38,183 --> 01:05:40,119
is burying that kid.
And it would probably
1543
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,889
ruin me for the rest
of my life.
1544
01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:44,059
And I can see
where having a cause
1545
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:46,798
to sort of assuage
the feelings of guilt
1546
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,870
and depression that are
following my son's death
1547
01:05:49,871 --> 01:05:53,043
would probably be helpful. "Let's
not let this happen to somebody else."
1548
01:05:53,044 --> 01:05:55,514
But they're chasing
the wrong thing.
1549
01:05:55,515 --> 01:05:57,083
They're not
doing it right.
1550
01:05:57,084 --> 01:05:59,087
We're working
with major league baseball
1551
01:05:59,088 --> 01:06:01,091
to make that happen now
1552
01:06:01,092 --> 01:06:03,662
where hopefully
in each local stadium
1553
01:06:03,663 --> 01:06:06,100
there's gonna be
a steroid awareness night.
1554
01:06:06,101 --> 01:06:08,104
Do you find it
ironic at all
1555
01:06:08,105 --> 01:06:11,142
to have a steroid
awareness night for baseball
1556
01:06:11,143 --> 01:06:13,113
in a stadium
that sells alcohol
1557
01:06:13,114 --> 01:06:15,484
which is responsible for
a lot of deaths as a drug?
1558
01:06:17,789 --> 01:06:19,624
Alcohol's legal to sell.
1559
01:06:19,625 --> 01:06:21,628
And we can argue
all day long
1560
01:06:21,629 --> 01:06:25,702
Whether tobacco kills
and whether alcohol kills,
1561
01:06:25,703 --> 01:06:27,706
and there's a clear
distinction in my mind
1562
01:06:27,707 --> 01:06:30,478
between tobacco
or alcohol
1563
01:06:30,479 --> 01:06:33,884
and steroids and
methamphetamines and coke.
1564
01:06:33,885 --> 01:06:35,654
- Thanks for sharing that with us.
- All right.
1565
01:06:35,655 --> 01:06:37,557
I know how hard
it can be and everything.
1566
01:06:37,558 --> 01:06:38,659
This is
important stuff.
1567
01:06:54,122 --> 01:06:56,492
Anybody who
asks me about it--
1568
01:06:56,493 --> 01:06:58,329
I let them know.
I tell them why.
1569
01:06:58,330 --> 01:07:01,234
I tell them how much I
take. I'll tell them anything
1570
01:07:01,235 --> 01:07:04,240
- they want to ask me about them
'cause I think-- - What about the kids?
1571
01:07:04,241 --> 01:07:07,079
The kids are different
because--
1572
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,716
a couple kids asked me in
front of the whole group
1573
01:07:09,717 --> 01:07:11,320
and I had to lie
about it
1574
01:07:11,321 --> 01:07:13,825
because this whole steroid
thing is just out of hand.
1575
01:07:13,826 --> 01:07:15,929
I know coach Henry
doesn't take any steroids.
1576
01:07:15,930 --> 01:07:18,032
He's just 100% strong.
1577
01:07:18,033 --> 01:07:20,570
I think somebody asked
him if he was on steroids
1578
01:07:20,571 --> 01:07:23,309
and he said no. And I
completely believe him.
1579
01:07:23,310 --> 01:07:25,412
He just teaches that
steroids are basically--
1580
01:07:25,413 --> 01:07:27,249
they're a cheap way
out of doing hard work.
1581
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:29,620
I say they're not for kids.
1582
01:07:29,621 --> 01:07:32,592
Steroids are not for kids.
That's plain and simple.
1583
01:07:32,593 --> 01:07:34,696
You should achieve
things naturally
1584
01:07:34,697 --> 01:07:36,666
and then maybe you
should think about them
1585
01:07:36,667 --> 01:07:38,269
when you're
an adult.
1586
01:07:38,270 --> 01:07:40,273
The main reason why
I don't take steroids
1587
01:07:40,274 --> 01:07:42,778
is 'cause he got it into my
head that I don't need 'em,
1588
01:07:42,779 --> 01:07:46,184
that I got the potential right now as
a teenager to get as strong as I want.
1589
01:07:46,185 --> 01:07:48,822
What good would it do them
to know that I take steroids?
1590
01:07:48,823 --> 01:07:51,226
It wouldn't do them any
good. They'd just be like,
1591
01:07:51,227 --> 01:07:53,597
"oh, man,
he's a cheater.
1592
01:07:53,598 --> 01:07:55,468
Would you ever tell our
parents that you do it?
1593
01:07:55,469 --> 01:07:59,041
Um, I mean, you know,
1594
01:07:59,042 --> 01:08:01,044
if they asked me.
1595
01:08:01,045 --> 01:08:03,983
I only cooked
two pounds.
1596
01:08:03,984 --> 01:08:06,688
I hope it's enough.
1597
01:08:06,689 --> 01:08:09,026
You know, we went
to church all the time.
1598
01:08:09,027 --> 01:08:10,930
I grew up
in a great family.
1599
01:08:10,931 --> 01:08:12,933
I don't think
I could ask
1600
01:08:12,934 --> 01:08:15,337
for anybody better
to be parents, you know.
1601
01:08:15,338 --> 01:08:19,879
And when I went
to the U.S.C.
1602
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,950
I didn't do any drugs.
I didn't do anything.
1603
01:08:21,951 --> 01:08:24,254
- 'Cause you're a good boy.
- Well...
1604
01:08:24,255 --> 01:08:26,792
And then I got to a point
where I actually tried steroids.
1605
01:08:26,793 --> 01:08:29,430
I tried Winstrol,
which is injections.
1606
01:08:29,431 --> 01:08:31,667
You injected a needle
in yourself?
1607
01:08:31,668 --> 01:08:33,237
It's just
in the muscle.
1608
01:08:33,238 --> 01:08:34,940
Yeah, 'cause you get to
a point where you're like,
1609
01:08:34,941 --> 01:08:37,145
"I'm getting out of shape.
I don't feel like I used to."
1610
01:08:37,146 --> 01:08:39,148
The reason I stopped
doing it was
1611
01:08:39,149 --> 01:08:41,519
because I thought
it was immoral.
1612
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,990
I thought it was so wrong
and like,
1613
01:08:43,991 --> 01:08:46,194
"what if my parents
found out I did this?"
1614
01:08:46,195 --> 01:08:48,031
I think it's really
hard to hear
1615
01:08:48,032 --> 01:08:51,170
- that you tried 'em and everything, but--
- For you.
1616
01:08:51,171 --> 01:08:52,640
It's not hard
for me.
1617
01:08:52,641 --> 01:08:55,878
What I'm saying is
that it's hard to hear.
1618
01:08:55,879 --> 01:08:57,882
And what about mark?
I mean,
1619
01:08:57,883 --> 01:09:00,453
how come you're staying big
but you're not getting fat?
1620
01:09:00,454 --> 01:09:02,925
- You're just--
- I'm getting fatter.
1621
01:09:02,926 --> 01:09:04,862
No, but your face
is rounder.
1622
01:09:04,863 --> 01:09:07,033
- I put on body fat.
He's about--
1623
01:09:07,034 --> 01:09:09,804
You're about 7% or 8% higher than what
you normally are, wouldn't you say?
1624
01:09:09,805 --> 01:09:11,507
I have no idea. I don't
really care either.
1625
01:09:11,508 --> 01:09:13,177
He's already
married. He doesn't care.
1626
01:09:13,178 --> 01:09:15,448
Except Smelly's
not saying anything.
1627
01:09:15,449 --> 01:09:18,086
Don't let your brothers
overrun your conversation.
1628
01:09:20,391 --> 01:09:22,661
When you get
caught with something
1629
01:09:22,662 --> 01:09:26,001
I think the truth is
always the fastest way
1630
01:09:26,002 --> 01:09:27,704
out of the situation,
1631
01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:29,908
but it's not always
the best way out.
1632
01:09:29,909 --> 01:09:32,145
You know, she's concerned.
She's being a mom
1633
01:09:32,146 --> 01:09:36,520
and she's just trying
to leave it open
1634
01:09:36,521 --> 01:09:38,857
where I could say, "Yeah,
you know what? I do 'em.
1635
01:09:38,858 --> 01:09:42,030
And this is why." I think
that's what she's looking for.
1636
01:09:42,031 --> 01:09:44,568
But she's still
never directly asked me.
1637
01:09:44,569 --> 01:09:47,607
So until that time comes
I ain't sayin' nothin'.
1638
01:09:49,378 --> 01:09:52,182
People have a
tendency to cheat at everything.
1639
01:09:52,183 --> 01:09:54,185
And that happens
with taxes too,
1640
01:09:54,186 --> 01:09:57,025
just like it could with
steroids or any other thing.
1641
01:09:57,026 --> 01:10:01,632
It's human nature.
It's the sinful nature of men.
1642
01:10:01,634 --> 01:10:03,403
My dad convinced
mad dog and his wife
1643
01:10:03,404 --> 01:10:05,540
To settle down
in Poughkeepsie.
1644
01:10:05,541 --> 01:10:08,312
And he's been doing income taxes for
the same guys he used to wrestle with.
1645
01:10:08,313 --> 01:10:10,783
I keep a couple things
around, not too much.
1646
01:10:10,784 --> 01:10:12,753
Big john.
John always keeps it real.
1647
01:10:12,754 --> 01:10:15,658
This just says "To Mad
Dog. Thanks for everything."
1648
01:10:15,659 --> 01:10:18,931
Not exactly how he
thought his life would turn out.
1649
01:10:18,932 --> 01:10:20,667
I get up, I go to the office,
1650
01:10:20,668 --> 01:10:22,805
you know, I make money for
them, I make money for me.
1651
01:10:22,806 --> 01:10:25,309
I got a great wife.
I got a great family.
1652
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:27,313
But I wanted to be
a famous wrestler
1653
01:10:27,314 --> 01:10:29,718
and, you know,
I wanted to live the life.
1654
01:10:29,719 --> 01:10:32,289
I wanted to be on the road,
travel, meeting people,
1655
01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:34,293
Making money,
having fun--
1656
01:10:34,294 --> 01:10:36,162
you know,
living the life.
1657
01:10:36,163 --> 01:10:38,100
He'll break
down and he'll be crying
1658
01:10:38,101 --> 01:10:40,070
and he'll say, like,
"dad, the biggest fear
1659
01:10:40,071 --> 01:10:42,073
I ever had in my life
was being average Joe.
1660
01:10:42,074 --> 01:10:44,444
And I'm 36 years old and that's
all I can see for myself."
1661
01:10:44,445 --> 01:10:45,814
What do you want to do now?
1662
01:10:45,815 --> 01:10:48,252
Where do you see
yourself going?
1663
01:10:48,253 --> 01:10:51,992
I mean, you know, the immediate
goal was to get out of Poughkeepsie,
1664
01:10:51,993 --> 01:10:55,231
move to California,
establish my name
1665
01:10:55,232 --> 01:10:59,372
and then start my own
business eventually.
1666
01:10:59,373 --> 01:11:01,743
Seemed like he was making
good progress, okay?
1667
01:11:01,744 --> 01:11:03,279
But he wasn't making
any progress.
1668
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,950
I told him the other night, I said,
1669
01:11:04,951 --> 01:11:07,321
"you might be fooling
everybody else,
1670
01:11:07,322 --> 01:11:09,023
but you're not
fooling me.
1671
01:11:09,024 --> 01:11:11,194
You're full of shit.
You're still on stuff."
1672
01:11:11,195 --> 01:11:13,365
Why do you think he
would tell us about it?
1673
01:11:13,366 --> 01:11:16,036
He tells me everything else,
you know, that he's doing.
1674
01:11:16,037 --> 01:11:18,040
I think he's
partially embarrassed
1675
01:11:18,041 --> 01:11:21,145
and I think he's--
1676
01:11:21,146 --> 01:11:23,483
that's part of
addictive behavior.
1677
01:11:23,484 --> 01:11:26,856
His thing is this-- "I'm gonna be
fine as soon as I'm out of here.
1678
01:11:26,857 --> 01:11:29,794
I'm gonna go live in California.
My life is gonna be perfect."
1679
01:11:29,795 --> 01:11:33,368
But if he really believes that--
no, he's not gonna be fine at all.
1680
01:11:33,369 --> 01:11:36,107
You know who I feel bad
for? I feel bad for Nadine.
1681
01:11:36,108 --> 01:11:38,176
'Cause here's a young
girl who's married,
1682
01:11:38,177 --> 01:11:41,216
whose hopes and dreams
and life
1683
01:11:41,217 --> 01:11:44,154
is in him,
and he's a screw-up.
1684
01:11:44,155 --> 01:11:47,560
And if he ends up overdosing
and killing himself
1685
01:11:47,561 --> 01:11:50,333
or if he ends up on the rocks,
he's taking her with him.
1686
01:11:50,334 --> 01:11:53,204
I'm not moving out there
with the hopes and dreams of--
1687
01:11:53,205 --> 01:11:55,609
I'm not gonna wait tables and
hope I'm gonna be an actor.
1688
01:11:55,610 --> 01:11:57,379
I already did that--
15 years of wrestling.
1689
01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:58,748
You think
you'll get noticed?
1690
01:11:58,749 --> 01:12:00,785
I'm not moving out
to get noticed,
1691
01:12:00,786 --> 01:12:02,822
but you're never gonna get
noticed in Poughkeepsie.
1692
01:12:02,823 --> 01:12:05,260
In Hollywood you're walking down
the street, somebody sees you--
1693
01:12:05,261 --> 01:12:07,230
"hey, you got a minute?"
you just never know.
1694
01:12:07,231 --> 01:12:09,234
You don't think
there's any way
1695
01:12:09,235 --> 01:12:11,237
he can get past it?
1696
01:12:11,238 --> 01:12:13,475
A miracle.
1697
01:12:15,814 --> 01:12:18,484
I'm serious.
1698
01:12:18,485 --> 01:12:20,989
I think they're gonna
find him dead someday.
1699
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:24,528
I thought bringing up boys--
this is easy.
1700
01:12:24,529 --> 01:12:27,301
At least I don't have
a daughter who's, like,
1701
01:12:27,302 --> 01:12:29,404
got her face in the bowl
throwing up.
1702
01:12:29,405 --> 01:12:32,510
You know, did I--
did I do something
1703
01:12:32,511 --> 01:12:34,514
as a mother
1704
01:12:34,515 --> 01:12:37,052
To make you feel,
1705
01:12:37,053 --> 01:12:38,788
like, not good enough?
1706
01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:41,794
When Mike went off to college
and he calls your father up
1707
01:12:41,795 --> 01:12:43,263
and says,
"can I try steroids?"
1708
01:12:43,264 --> 01:12:46,903
"No, you're not getting
money to try steroids."
1709
01:12:46,904 --> 01:12:51,645
You know, we both thought
that was a crazy thing, so--
1710
01:12:51,646 --> 01:12:53,783
but do you know where he
ended up getting 'em from?
1711
01:12:53,784 --> 01:12:56,688
- No, but I wasn't gonna-- - He
got 'em from your brother John.
1712
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:58,091
No--
1713
01:13:00,463 --> 01:13:02,866
So that's-- I mean, it's
something that's like,
1714
01:13:02,867 --> 01:13:04,869
you know,
in our family.
1715
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:06,873
I mean, it's something
that, like--
1716
01:13:06,874 --> 01:13:09,378
Chris, you're already
killing me with this as it is.
1717
01:13:09,379 --> 01:13:11,282
- Well, I'm telling--
- It just gets worse.
1718
01:13:11,283 --> 01:13:12,951
I'm just telling you
the truth.
1719
01:13:12,952 --> 01:13:15,689
I'm just trying to tell
you how I feel as a mother.
1720
01:13:15,690 --> 01:13:18,294
I am broken
to my soul.
1721
01:13:18,295 --> 01:13:19,964
My heart is broken.
1722
01:13:21,668 --> 01:13:23,671
When you were growing up
Hulk Hogan--
1723
01:13:23,672 --> 01:13:25,742
look what he's saying.
"take your vitamins,
1724
01:13:25,743 --> 01:13:27,946
say your prayers--"
and what?
1725
01:13:27,947 --> 01:13:30,249
- "believe in yourself."
- Yeah, but it's not true.
1726
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:32,988
- So I started working out.
- "Take your steroids," okay?
1727
01:13:32,989 --> 01:13:35,426
I don't know if he
ever prays or not.
1728
01:13:35,427 --> 01:13:39,333
Never heard him talk about
god in his whole life, okay?
1729
01:13:39,334 --> 01:13:41,337
Now that time
has gone by,
1730
01:13:41,338 --> 01:13:43,240
I'm like,
"is this guy a fraud?"
1731
01:13:43,241 --> 01:13:45,779
And that's where I think
that everybody needs
1732
01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:48,817
to begin to accept--
"I am who I am,"
1733
01:13:48,818 --> 01:13:50,788
said Popeye
the sailor man.
1734
01:13:50,789 --> 01:13:52,824
He even was a gyp.
1735
01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:55,430
- He had to take spinach.
- He had to take spinach.
1736
01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:57,934
Everybody needs something.
I mean, what's up with that?
1737
01:13:57,935 --> 01:14:00,806
If I just accept who I am right
now, isn't that just giving up?
1738
01:14:00,807 --> 01:14:03,077
No, accept who you are
as a person.
1739
01:14:03,078 --> 01:14:05,247
Then your body image
is something different.
1740
01:14:05,248 --> 01:14:07,752
Do you think a fat person
hasn't tried everything
1741
01:14:07,753 --> 01:14:10,423
that's legal? But I'm
not gonna cross the line.
1742
01:14:10,424 --> 01:14:13,696
The Bible lays everything out
about how to live your life.
1743
01:14:13,697 --> 01:14:15,934
- But the bible can't solve all your problems.
- It can.
1744
01:14:15,935 --> 01:14:18,839
I can't pray to look like Arnold
Schwarzenegger. It's not gonna happen.
1745
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,477
No, you can't pray to look
like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
1746
01:14:21,478 --> 01:14:23,481
but neither can you
take enough steroids
1747
01:14:23,482 --> 01:14:26,420
or enough human growth hormone
to look like him either.
1748
01:14:26,421 --> 01:14:28,824
- But you can get as close as you can.
- It's not gonna happen.
1749
01:14:28,825 --> 01:14:31,562
You're fearfully
and wonderfully made.
1750
01:14:31,563 --> 01:14:35,102
Every sinew in your body,
every muscle, every fiber
1751
01:14:35,103 --> 01:14:37,507
was made by god.
And you're exactly
1752
01:14:37,508 --> 01:14:39,511
who he intended you
to be.
1753
01:14:39,512 --> 01:14:42,649
And so what? To somebody
with a six-pack of abs.
1754
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:44,653
Maybe they don't have
what you have.
1755
01:14:44,654 --> 01:14:47,793
I mean, you know, why don't
you ever think that way too?
1756
01:14:47,794 --> 01:14:51,031
What I don't get is
why did our boys
1757
01:14:51,032 --> 01:14:54,070
Not feel that they were
good enough?
1758
01:14:57,210 --> 01:15:00,515
My father or my grandfather
1759
01:15:00,516 --> 01:15:02,486
never worried about
1760
01:15:02,487 --> 01:15:04,490
whether they had a six-pack
of abdominals
1761
01:15:04,491 --> 01:15:06,961
or what percentage
of body fat they had.
1762
01:15:06,962 --> 01:15:11,035
So why is it now
in the 21st century
1763
01:15:11,036 --> 01:15:13,172
that there's this
huge preoccupation
1764
01:15:13,173 --> 01:15:15,310
with body image that
just didn't exist before?
1765
01:15:15,311 --> 01:15:18,014
Dr. Harrison
pope is a psychiatrist
1766
01:15:18,015 --> 01:15:21,554
who studies why American men are
becoming more obsessed with their bodies.
1767
01:15:21,555 --> 01:15:24,359
So here
we have G.I. Joe
1768
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,663
from the 1960s.
1769
01:15:26,664 --> 01:15:29,368
This is when he first came out
at the time of the Vietnam war.
1770
01:15:29,369 --> 01:15:31,506
He's a perfectly
normal-looking dude.
1771
01:15:31,507 --> 01:15:34,945
Here is G.I. Joe
from about 10 years later,
1772
01:15:34,946 --> 01:15:36,782
- from the mid-1970s.
- He's got abs now.
1773
01:15:36,783 --> 01:15:39,387
He's clearly been putting
in some time in the gym.
1774
01:15:39,388 --> 01:15:43,227
- And then here is G.I. Joe from the 1990s.
- Oh, jeez.
1775
01:15:43,228 --> 01:15:46,065
The bicep is
up to 16" or so,
1776
01:15:46,066 --> 01:15:48,103
full six-pack of abs,
1777
01:15:48,104 --> 01:15:50,340
even got serratus muscles
visible on the side.
1778
01:15:50,341 --> 01:15:52,344
This evolution
in the action figures
1779
01:15:52,345 --> 01:15:54,582
is a testimony
1780
01:15:54,583 --> 01:15:57,253
to this increased
preoccupation with body image
1781
01:15:57,254 --> 01:15:59,357
that we've been seeing
in the United States.
1782
01:15:59,358 --> 01:16:01,728
And it's funny
that in our culture
1783
01:16:01,729 --> 01:16:04,667
we still tend
to romanticize
1784
01:16:04,668 --> 01:16:06,671
steroids
to a certain way--
1785
01:16:06,672 --> 01:16:09,809
That you'll see an ad
for an S.U.V. that says,
1786
01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:12,247
"this is our sedan
on steroids."
1787
01:16:12,248 --> 01:16:14,318
But you wouldn't see an
ad for an S.U.V. saying,
1788
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:16,222
"this is our sedan
on cocaine."
1789
01:16:16,223 --> 01:16:19,293
Well, it's sort of
like a golf cart on steroids.
1790
01:16:19,294 --> 01:16:22,066
It looked like an
easy-bake oven on steroids.
1791
01:16:22,067 --> 01:16:23,935
It's sort of
the economy on steroids.
1792
01:16:23,936 --> 01:16:25,706
Think of it as Apollo
on steroids.
1793
01:16:25,707 --> 01:16:28,310
This year the jet stream
has really been on steroids.
1794
01:16:28,311 --> 01:16:31,917
Kosovo would be
Bosnia on steroids.
1795
01:16:31,918 --> 01:16:34,121
Adding more U.S.
trainers and advisors,
1796
01:16:34,122 --> 01:16:36,826
essentially putting the
current strategy on steroids.
1797
01:16:36,827 --> 01:16:39,731
We are besieged
every day
1798
01:16:39,732 --> 01:16:43,805
with images of muscular
male bodies on T.V.,
1799
01:16:43,806 --> 01:16:46,277
in the movies, in cartoons,
on magazines
1800
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,185
at the checkout counter
in the department store,
1801
01:16:48,186 --> 01:16:51,145
all of which seem
to give this message
1802
01:16:52,446 --> 01:16:55,406
that a real man
is big and muscular.
1803
01:17:01,454 --> 01:17:03,246
There you go.
Just like that.
1804
01:17:03,247 --> 01:17:05,831
Good. Give me some good
abs, Christian. That's it.
1805
01:17:05,832 --> 01:17:07,917
I saw "Conan the Barbarian"
when I was 11.
1806
01:17:07,918 --> 01:17:10,794
And at that moment I said,
"that's exactly what I want to do."
1807
01:17:10,795 --> 01:17:13,212
And I started to study
Arnold and his achievements.
1808
01:17:13,214 --> 01:17:15,215
So I started training
with weights when I was 14.
1809
01:17:15,216 --> 01:17:16,925
I started taking
steroids when I was 16.
1810
01:17:16,926 --> 01:17:19,009
So you're advertising
a supplement.
1811
01:17:19,011 --> 01:17:21,137
So a guy like me goes
and looks in the magazine
1812
01:17:21,138 --> 01:17:23,305
and I see Christian Boeving
and I'm like, "wow, man,
1813
01:17:23,306 --> 01:17:25,474
I wanna look like that guy."
so I go and take
1814
01:17:25,475 --> 01:17:27,601
Hydroxycut
or some supplement
1815
01:17:27,602 --> 01:17:30,187
because I think that
I'm gonna look like you.
1816
01:17:30,188 --> 01:17:32,480
But what I don't know is
that you were taking steroids.
1817
01:17:32,482 --> 01:17:34,440
Do you have
any problem with that?
1818
01:17:36,067 --> 01:17:38,026
That's a double-edged
sword, my friend.
1819
01:17:38,027 --> 01:17:39,987
How to answer this?
1820
01:17:39,988 --> 01:17:41,988
Somebody looks at an ad
with me in it
1821
01:17:41,989 --> 01:17:44,282
and says, "Christian
Boeving takes Hydroxycut,"
1822
01:17:44,283 --> 01:17:46,284
Which I did
and I do.
1823
01:17:46,285 --> 01:17:48,827
That doesn't necessarily mean
that I don't take something else.
1824
01:17:48,829 --> 01:17:50,621
If they choose
to believe
1825
01:17:50,622 --> 01:17:52,998
that that's the only thing
I'm taking to look like that,
1826
01:17:52,999 --> 01:17:54,958
then so be it. They should
be smarter than that.
1827
01:17:54,959 --> 01:17:57,503
Is it misleading?
Possibly a little bit, yeah.
1828
01:17:57,504 --> 01:18:00,589
But is it a lie?
Absolutely not.
1829
01:18:00,590 --> 01:18:03,007
I'd say probably 80% to
90%-- I'm not kidding you--
1830
01:18:03,008 --> 01:18:04,967
of all the stuff
I see in magazines
1831
01:18:04,968 --> 01:18:07,803
is complete hogwash.
It's ridiculous to me.
1832
01:18:07,804 --> 01:18:10,847
I don't understand why there's
this need in advertising
1833
01:18:10,849 --> 01:18:12,641
To really
manipulate things--
1834
01:18:12,642 --> 01:18:14,642
The bone-thin
fashion models
1835
01:18:14,643 --> 01:18:16,686
that got all kinds
of eating disorders,
1836
01:18:16,687 --> 01:18:18,104
and with men
it's the opposite.
1837
01:18:18,105 --> 01:18:20,023
They get
the Adonis complex.
1838
01:18:20,024 --> 01:18:22,232
And then there's all
kinds of trouble ahead
1839
01:18:22,234 --> 01:18:25,193
'cause you have all these kids who
are like you and me when we were young
1840
01:18:25,195 --> 01:18:27,904
looking at all these people
and they're perfect.
1841
01:18:27,906 --> 01:18:30,865
And how does that make somebody
feel who's not as perfect
1842
01:18:30,866 --> 01:18:32,200
as the people they're
seeing? Not very good.
1843
01:18:33,744 --> 01:18:35,786
So this stuff
I've tried--
1844
01:18:35,787 --> 01:18:37,371
loaded with sugar.
1845
01:18:37,372 --> 01:18:40,165
I've tried this.
I've tried this.
1846
01:18:40,167 --> 01:18:41,417
Of course I've
tried this.
1847
01:18:41,418 --> 01:18:43,001
Everybody I think's
tried muscle milk.
1848
01:18:43,003 --> 01:18:44,795
I've tried this.
I've tried this.
1849
01:18:44,796 --> 01:18:46,505
I've tried
all these drinks.
1850
01:18:46,506 --> 01:18:49,423
If speed stack weren't enough,
you have extreme speed stack.
1851
01:18:49,424 --> 01:18:51,550
The supplement
industry is very unregulated.
1852
01:18:51,552 --> 01:18:53,469
You don't have to have
F.D.A. approval
1853
01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:55,179
To come out with
a dietary supplement.
1854
01:18:55,180 --> 01:18:57,347
That gives people room
to come out
1855
01:18:57,349 --> 01:18:59,725
with some lower-quality
products.
1856
01:18:59,726 --> 01:19:02,477
This product says
"new legal formula" on it.
1857
01:19:02,478 --> 01:19:04,938
I don't know what
the old formula really had in it.
1858
01:19:04,939 --> 01:19:06,814
"Belizean Man Vine
Extract."
1859
01:19:06,815 --> 01:19:08,607
I don't
want any part of that.
1860
01:19:08,609 --> 01:19:11,110
"Best if used by date and
lot number on bottom of can."
1861
01:19:11,111 --> 01:19:12,402
Yeah.
1862
01:19:14,447 --> 01:19:16,280
I always thought
the health industry
1863
01:19:16,282 --> 01:19:18,199
was about,
you know, health.
1864
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,285
Why does it feel like
we're back in the wild west?
1865
01:19:20,286 --> 01:19:21,911
It'll clean your teeth
and curl your hair!
1866
01:19:21,912 --> 01:19:23,328
The best in the west.
1867
01:19:23,329 --> 01:19:25,206
I wouldn't be dead
without a bottle.
1868
01:19:25,207 --> 01:19:28,791
Well, we can all thank the
senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch.
1869
01:19:28,793 --> 01:19:30,877
Look how good he looks.
1870
01:19:30,879 --> 01:19:33,171
I want to get his brand
is what I want to do.
1871
01:19:33,172 --> 01:19:35,966
See, the health industry
is big business in Utah.
1872
01:19:35,967 --> 01:19:39,343
They make almost a quarter of all
the dietary supplements in America.
1873
01:19:39,344 --> 01:19:42,012
And supplements are
a $24-billion industry.
1874
01:19:42,014 --> 01:19:43,972
So you do the math.
1875
01:19:43,973 --> 01:19:46,974
Making supplements used to be
like making prescription drugs.
1876
01:19:46,976 --> 01:19:49,227
You had to prove your
product was safe and effective
1877
01:19:49,228 --> 01:19:52,563
before you could sell it. Well,
the supplement cowboys in Utah
1878
01:19:52,564 --> 01:19:54,690
thought that was
a real hassle.
1879
01:19:54,691 --> 01:19:57,567
So they asked their favorite
senator to change the rules around.
1880
01:19:57,568 --> 01:20:00,112
And now you don't have to prove
your product is safe at all.
1881
01:20:00,113 --> 01:20:01,988
And the F.D.A. has to prove
that it's not safe
1882
01:20:01,989 --> 01:20:04,449
If they want to take it
off the market.
1883
01:20:04,450 --> 01:20:05,950
What is this
red goop?
1884
01:20:05,951 --> 01:20:08,661
This is the Canadian version
of redline.
1885
01:20:08,662 --> 01:20:12,164
We had to take out some of the
ingredients that aren't legal in Canada.
1886
01:20:12,165 --> 01:20:15,500
Thanks to this deregulation,
the supplement industry exploded
1887
01:20:15,501 --> 01:20:19,337
And all sorts of new and interesting
people got in on the action.
1888
01:20:19,338 --> 01:20:21,422
We were always a good team,
whether we were selling drugs
1889
01:20:21,423 --> 01:20:23,340
or whether we were selling
a supplement like we are now.
1890
01:20:23,342 --> 01:20:26,301
"Jekyll & Hyde" supplements,
formulated to awaken your other side.
1891
01:20:26,303 --> 01:20:28,595
Take this and all of a sudden
you become the freak, the monster.
1892
01:20:28,596 --> 01:20:30,597
Everybody wants
to become a monster.
1893
01:20:30,598 --> 01:20:33,517
If Valentino can make a
supplement I bet anyone can do it.
1894
01:20:33,518 --> 01:20:35,309
Hola.
1895
01:20:35,310 --> 01:20:37,979
- How many guys you need?
- I need two guys.
1896
01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:39,855
- We're making dietary
supplements. - Uh-huh.
1897
01:20:39,856 --> 01:20:42,066
And I just need a hand with a
couple things. It'd be really easy.
1898
01:20:44,444 --> 01:20:46,278
All I need you guys to do
is take the white--
1899
01:20:46,279 --> 01:20:47,112
Put inside?
Boom.
1900
01:20:50,116 --> 01:20:53,158
First you buy a bunch
of really popular ingredients.
1901
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,119
But the trick is
I'm just gonna use
1902
01:20:55,121 --> 01:20:57,454
- a tiny amount of each one.
- Oof.
1903
01:20:57,455 --> 01:21:00,874
It's what we like to call in the
supplement biz "pixie dusting."
1904
01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:02,709
See, I can hide
my secret formula
1905
01:21:02,710 --> 01:21:04,711
behind the term
"proprietary blend"
1906
01:21:04,712 --> 01:21:06,754
and not reveal
that it's pretty much
1907
01:21:06,756 --> 01:21:09,465
just a pillful
of rice flour.
1908
01:21:09,467 --> 01:21:12,468
It's a good way to make a lot of money.
1909
01:21:12,469 --> 01:21:14,804
Don't sneeze
in the supplements here.
1910
01:21:16,765 --> 01:21:19,391
But with all those
expensive ingredients on the label
1911
01:21:19,392 --> 01:21:21,976
I can make this bottle
for about a buck 40
1912
01:21:21,978 --> 01:21:24,228
and sell it for $60.
1913
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:26,605
Thanks, Orrin.
1914
01:21:26,606 --> 01:21:28,732
We're in the supplement
business now.
1915
01:21:28,733 --> 01:21:31,734
The scary part is that
everything I just did is by the book--
1916
01:21:31,735 --> 01:21:34,363
Well, except for the
illegal-immigrant day laborers.
1917
01:21:34,364 --> 01:21:37,574
But hey, nobody's
regulating them either.
1918
01:21:37,575 --> 01:21:40,076
Now I just need a
misleading advertisement.
1919
01:21:40,077 --> 01:21:42,535
Do you airbrush these guys a lot
when you put them in magazines?
1920
01:21:42,537 --> 01:21:44,788
Definitely. There's all
kinds of techniques and tools
1921
01:21:44,789 --> 01:21:47,165
you can use to completely
manipulate the body.
1922
01:21:47,166 --> 01:21:49,960
- Really? - In fact, some of the
"before" and "after" pictures--
1923
01:21:49,961 --> 01:21:52,212
They could be done
on the same day.
1924
01:21:52,213 --> 01:21:53,879
You haven't shot them in the
same day, though, have you?
1925
01:21:53,881 --> 01:21:55,882
- I have, actually.
- Oh, you have?
1926
01:21:55,883 --> 01:21:57,800
- Yeah.
- What do they do--?
1927
01:21:57,801 --> 01:22:00,469
Is this the self-editing part?
I should keep my mouth shut?
1928
01:22:00,470 --> 01:22:02,512
I could take anybody and
take a picture of them,
1929
01:22:02,513 --> 01:22:03,804
make them look
their worst...
1930
01:22:03,806 --> 01:22:06,515
think horrible thoughts,
depression.
1931
01:22:08,603 --> 01:22:10,852
...and then through
all kinds of ways
1932
01:22:10,854 --> 01:22:12,312
make them look
their best.
1933
01:22:12,313 --> 01:22:14,648
Just don't
cut my nipple off.
1934
01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:19,610
Agh!
1935
01:22:20,821 --> 01:22:22,947
All right. Let me see here. Good.
1936
01:22:22,949 --> 01:22:24,741
One, two, three.
1937
01:22:24,742 --> 01:22:26,242
Good.
1938
01:22:26,243 --> 01:22:27,952
We can take it
a step further if we want
1939
01:22:27,953 --> 01:22:29,787
in the befores
and the afters.
1940
01:22:29,788 --> 01:22:31,413
Basically, you can
take somebody
1941
01:22:31,414 --> 01:22:33,165
and make them a little
fatter or shorter.
1942
01:22:33,166 --> 01:22:34,666
Are people falling
for this?
1943
01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:36,585
They fall for it
all the time.
1944
01:22:36,586 --> 01:22:39,337
And it's beyond
what I can understand
1945
01:22:39,338 --> 01:22:41,339
because it looks
so silly to me,
1946
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:43,424
but of course I'm somebody
who's had sort of an inside,
1947
01:22:43,425 --> 01:22:45,967
backstage pass to what's
really occurred,
1948
01:22:45,969 --> 01:22:48,803
and I've been part of some of
these scams that have played out.
1949
01:22:48,804 --> 01:22:50,931
So if unregulated
dietary supplements
1950
01:22:50,932 --> 01:22:52,807
are marketed like steroids
1951
01:22:52,808 --> 01:22:55,351
and sold by people
who are on steroids,
1952
01:22:55,353 --> 01:22:58,437
is it any wonder that so many people
are just taking the real thing?
1953
01:22:58,438 --> 01:23:00,897
I mean, it's not like
they're hard to get.
1954
01:23:00,898 --> 01:23:04,150
You can cross the border and buy
them from a pet store in Mexico.
1955
01:23:04,152 --> 01:23:06,861
Testosterona, $15.
1956
01:23:06,863 --> 01:23:08,279
But it's for your dog,
right?
1957
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:09,988
Oh, it's for my dog.
Yeah, I forgot.
1958
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:12,283
Yeah yeah,
my dog's anemic.
1959
01:23:12,284 --> 01:23:14,577
Or you can buy them
on the internet like Mad Dog.
1960
01:23:14,578 --> 01:23:17,079
If you order online you can
get the shit for $250 a kit
1961
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,456
Instead of paying somebody on the
black market $500 or $600 for a kit.
1962
01:23:20,457 --> 01:23:23,376
Or, if you have enough
money, you can get it legally.
1963
01:23:23,377 --> 01:23:27,129
This is the annual convention
for the anti-aging medicine--
1964
01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:30,757
Booth after booth of all the
taboo performance-enhancing drugs.
1965
01:23:30,759 --> 01:23:34,011
Stanozolol-- hey, that's
what Ben Johnson used.
1966
01:23:34,012 --> 01:23:37,388
Nandrolone-- isn't that what
Shawne Merriman got caught with?
1967
01:23:37,389 --> 01:23:38,973
Oh, and human
growth hormone--
1968
01:23:38,974 --> 01:23:41,141
They say Marion Jones
was taking that.
1969
01:23:41,143 --> 01:23:43,269
Human growth hormone
usage
1970
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:45,396
has been rampant in baseball
and other sports.
1971
01:23:45,397 --> 01:23:47,564
Athletes use
H.G.H. because it works
1972
01:23:47,566 --> 01:23:50,275
A lot like anabolic steroids.
And the best part is,
1973
01:23:50,277 --> 01:23:53,486
there's no way to test for
it. Here's how you get it.
1974
01:23:53,487 --> 01:23:55,362
First you go to your
anti-aging doctor.
1975
01:23:55,363 --> 01:23:57,989
Now the doctor might
not be a medical doctor.
1976
01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:00,492
Like in my case--
he's a chiropractor.
1977
01:24:00,493 --> 01:24:02,744
And chiropractors
can't prescribe drugs,
1978
01:24:02,745 --> 01:24:05,121
but that's okay.
He just has another doctor
1979
01:24:05,122 --> 01:24:07,040
write the prescriptions
for him.
1980
01:24:07,041 --> 01:24:10,042
But be careful-- prescribing
hormones for anti-aging
1981
01:24:10,043 --> 01:24:13,921
is a felony. So you can't exactly
tell your anti-aging doctor
1982
01:24:13,923 --> 01:24:15,922
that you're interested
in anti-aging.
1983
01:24:15,924 --> 01:24:18,258
Not to worry, though--
just use the words
1984
01:24:18,260 --> 01:24:20,427
"hormone deficiency" instead.
1985
01:24:20,428 --> 01:24:22,553
First thing, doc will want
to do a little physical.
1986
01:24:22,554 --> 01:24:23,930
Aagh.
1987
01:24:25,558 --> 01:24:27,725
Do you have people come to
you to try to get steroids?
1988
01:24:27,726 --> 01:24:29,893
Absolutely.
But prescribing steroids--
1989
01:24:29,895 --> 01:24:32,396
That's not what we do,
not at all.
1990
01:24:32,397 --> 01:24:35,023
Mm-hmm. But it kind
of is what you do
1991
01:24:35,024 --> 01:24:36,941
in a way,
in a different way.
1992
01:24:36,943 --> 01:24:38,985
Next you're
gonna get a urine test
1993
01:24:38,986 --> 01:24:41,070
to check your hormone
levels for 24 hours.
1994
01:24:41,071 --> 01:24:44,282
That's a take-home test--
you know, scout's honor.
1995
01:24:44,283 --> 01:24:47,993
Send in the test and a week
later go get your results.
1996
01:24:47,994 --> 01:24:50,120
We got your
labs back here--
1997
01:24:50,121 --> 01:24:52,455
Urinary growth hormone
output.
1998
01:24:52,456 --> 01:24:54,541
But here's the
thing-- since the F.D.A.
1999
01:24:54,542 --> 01:24:57,125
has never defined what a
hormone deficiency really is,
2000
01:24:57,127 --> 01:25:00,504
Well, doc can pretty much interpret
the results however he wants.
2001
01:25:00,505 --> 01:25:02,422
You're a little bit low,
coming down.
2002
01:25:02,424 --> 01:25:04,132
I'm gonna bring those
levels up to optimal.
2003
01:25:04,133 --> 01:25:06,301
Now it may seem strange
2004
01:25:06,302 --> 01:25:08,219
that the most controversial
drugs in America
2005
01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:10,054
are being prescribed
using take-home tests,
2006
01:25:10,055 --> 01:25:13,265
and in my case by a doctor
I never met,
2007
01:25:13,266 --> 01:25:15,726
but hey, at least I'm not
the one breaking the law.
2008
01:25:15,727 --> 01:25:17,519
Why don't you
just get it legally?
2009
01:25:17,521 --> 01:25:21,230
Um, I like getting it
the way I get it.
2010
01:25:21,232 --> 01:25:23,108
It's cheap
and I can get it
2011
01:25:23,109 --> 01:25:25,360
anytime I want.
2012
01:25:25,361 --> 01:25:28,278
And I don't think there's
any real reason for me to--
2013
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,072
I mean, I don't want
to go to a doctor.
2014
01:25:30,073 --> 01:25:31,532
That's a pain
in the ass.
2015
01:25:31,533 --> 01:25:33,366
You ever worry
about getting arrested
2016
01:25:33,368 --> 01:25:35,244
or cops coming after you
or anything like that?
2017
01:25:35,245 --> 01:25:37,204
I'm not all that
concerned about it.
2018
01:25:37,205 --> 01:25:39,706
You can justify
anything to yourself.
2019
01:25:39,707 --> 01:25:41,791
And once you've
justified it to yourself
2020
01:25:41,792 --> 01:25:45,544
then you just think it's
cool. You think it's okay.
2021
01:25:45,545 --> 01:25:47,504
So in my mind
it's okay.
2022
01:25:47,505 --> 01:25:49,923
I pose the question
to people, say,
2023
01:25:49,925 --> 01:25:54,469
"hey, if you had
to take a drug
2024
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:57,054
with the side effects--
known side effects
2025
01:25:57,055 --> 01:25:59,640
and the unknown effects
of the anabolic steroids
2026
01:25:59,641 --> 01:26:02,601
To keep your job
right now
2027
01:26:02,602 --> 01:26:05,938
and support your family,
would you do it?"
2028
01:26:05,939 --> 01:26:08,981
Maintaining an erection
is very easy to do
2029
01:26:08,983 --> 01:26:11,567
with the appropriate
chemical assistance.
2030
01:26:11,569 --> 01:26:14,946
Liquid Viagra
injected into the penis.
2031
01:26:14,947 --> 01:26:16,572
You inject this
in your penis?
2032
01:26:16,573 --> 01:26:18,032
Yep.
2033
01:26:18,033 --> 01:26:20,618
- Does it hurt?
- Um, not really.
2034
01:26:20,619 --> 01:26:22,410
It's not just
athletes and porn stars
2035
01:26:22,411 --> 01:26:24,120
Taking
performance-enhancing drugs.
2036
01:26:24,121 --> 01:26:26,163
Just about everybody's
in on the action.
2037
01:26:26,164 --> 01:26:28,999
Probably the most common thing
is what we call go-pills.
2038
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,626
There's probably
different kinds,
2039
01:26:30,628 --> 01:26:32,586
but dextramphetamine
is the big one.
2040
01:26:32,587 --> 01:26:34,839
They work wonders, they really
do, especially if you've been
2041
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,882
out there a long time and
it's hard to stay focused.
2042
01:26:36,883 --> 01:26:38,633
What about you?
2043
01:26:38,634 --> 01:26:41,302
Yeah, they'll spin you
right up.
2044
01:26:41,303 --> 01:26:43,721
Many parents may not be
aware that their children
2045
01:26:43,723 --> 01:26:46,390
are taking a drug
by the name of Adderall
2046
01:26:46,391 --> 01:26:49,059
to improve their
academic performance.
2047
01:26:49,061 --> 01:26:51,728
Adderall is
a powerful stimulant
2048
01:26:51,729 --> 01:26:54,273
very much like cocaine
2049
01:26:54,274 --> 01:26:55,856
or methamphetamine.
2050
01:26:55,857 --> 01:26:57,650
It's not just for people
who have problems.
2051
01:26:57,651 --> 01:26:59,986
People who think completely
fine-- I've taken Adderall
2052
01:26:59,987 --> 01:27:02,029
in college here and there
to write a paper.
2053
01:27:02,031 --> 01:27:03,780
And I said, "this is a
fun way to write a paper."
2054
01:27:03,782 --> 01:27:06,283
Your test scores go up
and you're
2055
01:27:06,284 --> 01:27:09,077
doing homework faster,
so you can do more work.
2056
01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:11,454
All I did when I went to class--
my friends, should I talk to them?
2057
01:27:11,456 --> 01:27:13,081
Nope, hold on. And I'd
be doing all my work.
2058
01:27:13,082 --> 01:27:14,874
And for every performance
2059
01:27:14,875 --> 01:27:17,293
there's a way
to enhance it.
2060
01:27:17,294 --> 01:27:18,961
So you take beta-blockers
to calm you down?
2061
01:27:18,962 --> 01:27:20,921
It actually doesn't
calm me down.
2062
01:27:20,922 --> 01:27:22,881
It prevents me
from getting nervous.
2063
01:27:22,882 --> 01:27:24,758
- Here we go.
I was in college
2064
01:27:24,759 --> 01:27:27,426
and I was having really really bad
problems with performance anxiety
2065
01:27:27,428 --> 01:27:30,387
and it was actually making me question
what I was doing in the first place.
2066
01:27:30,389 --> 01:27:33,432
A friend gave me beta-blockers
and I just couldn't believe it.
2067
01:27:33,433 --> 01:27:37,853
I felt like I could get up there
and do exactly what I wanted to do
2068
01:27:37,854 --> 01:27:41,647
and I wasn't hindered by
what my body was reacting to.
2069
01:27:44,192 --> 01:27:47,612
Blocking that adrenaline
goes a long way
2070
01:27:47,613 --> 01:27:50,030
towards enhancing
performance.
2071
01:27:50,032 --> 01:27:52,074
So it's okay to
enhance your performance
2072
01:27:52,075 --> 01:27:54,660
if you're a pilot,
a porn star,
2073
01:27:54,661 --> 01:27:56,786
a musician
or a student,
2074
01:27:56,787 --> 01:27:59,079
but if your job is to play
professional baseball,
2075
01:27:59,081 --> 01:28:00,915
well, somehow that
makes you a cheater.
2076
01:28:04,085 --> 01:28:06,378
Do you feel it's cheating?
2077
01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:08,881
Not at all.
Oh, no, certainly not.
2078
01:28:08,882 --> 01:28:11,049
There is no
competition in music.
2079
01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:13,384
You know, this is
completely unlike sports.
2080
01:28:13,385 --> 01:28:15,552
What about
in an audition situation?
2081
01:28:15,554 --> 01:28:17,888
- Is there competition there?
- Yeah, there is.
2082
01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:22,225
And, you know, a lot
of people take 'em
2083
01:28:22,227 --> 01:28:24,603
and I don't see that
there's a problem with it.
2084
01:28:24,604 --> 01:28:27,396
Was there any sort of moral
bridge to cross when you did it?
2085
01:28:27,397 --> 01:28:28,690
Well, we're
in the porn business.
2086
01:28:28,691 --> 01:28:30,608
There's not a whole lot
of morals to begin with.
2087
01:28:30,610 --> 01:28:33,527
Amphetamines in baseball--
they actually take the same pill
2088
01:28:33,528 --> 01:28:35,279
- As a go-pill.
- Yeah, I've heard that.
2089
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,573
In the clubhouse
they're called greenies.
2090
01:28:37,574 --> 01:28:39,574
And some in the game say
they could be
2091
01:28:39,575 --> 01:28:41,283
more common
than steroids.
2092
01:28:41,285 --> 01:28:43,286
In sports
you should play fair.
2093
01:28:43,287 --> 01:28:47,080
In war you shouldn't
play fair at all.
2094
01:28:47,082 --> 01:28:49,166
I've got some men on a road
2095
01:28:49,168 --> 01:28:51,918
And it looks like a piece
of artillery firing at us.
2096
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,171
I am rolling in
in self-defense.
2097
01:28:54,172 --> 01:28:55,631
Shaq!
2098
01:28:55,632 --> 01:28:58,340
In 2002 over Afghanistan
2099
01:28:58,342 --> 01:29:00,801
two American pilots
on go-pills
2100
01:29:00,803 --> 01:29:02,929
bombed a group
of friendly Canadians.
2101
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:04,513
I hope that
was the right thing to do.
2102
01:29:04,515 --> 01:29:06,056
ME too.
2103
01:29:06,057 --> 01:29:08,975
Four Canadian
soldiers were killed.
2104
01:29:08,977 --> 01:29:11,853
Doctors say the pilots'
snap judgment to open fire
2105
01:29:11,854 --> 01:29:14,314
Is typical of someone
on speed.
2106
01:29:14,315 --> 01:29:16,482
The pilots were
charged with manslaughter,
2107
01:29:16,483 --> 01:29:18,067
But they blamed
their go-pills
2108
01:29:18,068 --> 01:29:20,069
and the charges
were dropped.
2109
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:21,861
No other country
in the world
2110
01:29:21,863 --> 01:29:23,989
allows amphetamines
in their Air Force,
2111
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:25,991
But in America
we require it.
2112
01:29:29,287 --> 01:29:32,163
You know, America
is a very competitive place
2113
01:29:32,164 --> 01:29:34,623
and people will take advantage
of really anything they can
2114
01:29:34,624 --> 01:29:36,625
in order to help
themselves in that struggle.
2115
01:29:36,626 --> 01:29:38,627
I hate to say it, the
amount of beta-blockers
2116
01:29:38,628 --> 01:29:40,962
that they've got me on right
now-- California traffic
2117
01:29:40,963 --> 01:29:43,464
- doesn't bother me anymore.
- Really?
2118
01:29:43,465 --> 01:29:45,174
It's too easy
to get it from a doctor.
2119
01:29:45,175 --> 01:29:46,884
You say, "I can't
focus in class"
2120
01:29:46,885 --> 01:29:48,886
And the doctor prescribes
it automatically.
2121
01:29:48,887 --> 01:29:51,304
And when you got Adderall
you just went to the doctor?
2122
01:29:51,306 --> 01:29:54,349
No, it's just
passed around at school.
2123
01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:56,309
- It's passed around at school?
- Passed around at school.
2124
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:58,227
You turn on your T.V.
2125
01:29:58,229 --> 01:30:00,771
And we push drugs, right?
2126
01:30:00,772 --> 01:30:02,857
If you have a headache--
use this.
2127
01:30:02,858 --> 01:30:05,400
If you have a pain in
your side-- use that.
2128
01:30:05,402 --> 01:30:07,611
If you want to go
to sleep-- use this.
2129
01:30:07,613 --> 01:30:09,113
If you want to wake up--
use that.
2130
01:30:09,114 --> 01:30:11,572
We are the only
country in the world
2131
01:30:11,574 --> 01:30:14,909
that permits
drugs of that kind
2132
01:30:14,911 --> 01:30:17,870
to be advertised
directly to the consumer.
2133
01:30:17,872 --> 01:30:20,123
The American
pharmaceutical industry
2134
01:30:20,124 --> 01:30:22,541
spends almost $5 billion
a year on advertising.
2135
01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:26,919
And we in turn spend $250
billion on their drugs.
2136
01:30:26,921 --> 01:30:29,547
That's more than
any other country by far.
2137
01:30:29,548 --> 01:30:32,175
Are we the most unhealthy
people in the world
2138
01:30:32,176 --> 01:30:33,676
Or do we just watch
too much T.V.?
2139
01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:38,681
Everybody's on a drug. So
why because I'm on a drug
2140
01:30:38,682 --> 01:30:40,724
does everybody have to
point a finger at me?
2141
01:30:40,725 --> 01:30:42,934
- Why am I the bad guy?
- 'Cause you're on steroids.
2142
01:30:42,935 --> 01:30:47,563
And steroids are bad.
2143
01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:51,817
To help children
make right choices
2144
01:30:51,818 --> 01:30:54,611
they need
good examples.
2145
01:30:54,613 --> 01:30:59,115
Athletics play such an
important role in our society,
2146
01:30:59,116 --> 01:31:01,743
but unfortunately,
some in professional sports
2147
01:31:01,744 --> 01:31:03,869
are not setting
much of an example.
2148
01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:06,330
Long before George
Bush was the President
2149
01:31:06,331 --> 01:31:09,375
he was the owner of the Texas
Rangers, a major league baseball team
2150
01:31:09,376 --> 01:31:12,669
With none other than Jose
Canseco on the roster.
2151
01:31:12,671 --> 01:31:15,713
Do you
think that the team trainers,
2152
01:31:15,714 --> 01:31:18,966
The managers, the general
managers and even the owners
2153
01:31:18,967 --> 01:31:21,093
might have been aware
2154
01:31:21,095 --> 01:31:23,387
that some players
were using steroids?
2155
01:31:23,388 --> 01:31:26,807
No doubt in my mind.
Absolutely.
2156
01:31:26,808 --> 01:31:28,766
So did the President know
2157
01:31:28,768 --> 01:31:31,144
that his players were
on the juice?
2158
01:31:31,145 --> 01:31:33,437
You've admitted to using
steroids in the past.
2159
01:31:33,438 --> 01:31:36,107
Knowing what you know now
about them,
2160
01:31:36,108 --> 01:31:38,691
- would you have done it?
- Yeah, absolutely.
2161
01:31:38,693 --> 01:31:40,528
The National Football League
has talked more
2162
01:31:40,529 --> 01:31:42,487
about steroid testing
or human growth hormone.
2163
01:31:42,489 --> 01:31:43,905
And I know
back in your day
2164
01:31:43,906 --> 01:31:45,614
you've admitted
that you did that.
2165
01:31:45,616 --> 01:31:47,658
Your stand
on that right now?
2166
01:31:47,659 --> 01:31:50,619
I think it's good
to do doping tests
2167
01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:52,621
and the trick obviously
to find a way
2168
01:31:52,622 --> 01:31:54,164
of really doing
true testing.
2169
01:31:54,165 --> 01:31:56,875
I think that
we have to do something
2170
01:31:56,876 --> 01:31:59,043
about the drug use
in sports.
2171
01:31:59,044 --> 01:32:03,423
And I think it does send the
wrong message to our children.
2172
01:32:03,424 --> 01:32:06,508
So Arnold wants
to crack down on steroids,
2173
01:32:06,510 --> 01:32:08,927
but every year he sponsors
his own bodybuilding show,
2174
01:32:08,928 --> 01:32:10,679
The Arnold Classic.
2175
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,180
And they don't drug-test
at all.
2176
01:32:12,182 --> 01:32:14,349
Isn't it unbelievable, the
shape these guys are in,
2177
01:32:14,350 --> 01:32:16,142
I mean, how ripped they
are, how bid they are,
2178
01:32:16,144 --> 01:32:18,978
how cut they are, their
posing routine and everything?
2179
01:32:18,980 --> 01:32:21,397
I'm so proud of them. I tell
you, it is really amazing.
2180
01:32:21,398 --> 01:32:23,273
This year
Governor Schwarzenegger
2181
01:32:23,274 --> 01:32:25,693
handed over the winning
trophy to Victor Martinez,
2182
01:32:25,694 --> 01:32:27,902
a guy who was busted
for selling steroids
2183
01:32:27,904 --> 01:32:29,487
just a couple
of years ago.
2184
01:32:29,488 --> 01:32:31,489
And a few days
before this competition
2185
01:32:31,491 --> 01:32:34,742
he was implicated
in another steroid scandal.
2186
01:32:34,743 --> 01:32:36,660
The bodybuilder
who won a competition
2187
01:32:36,661 --> 01:32:39,246
sponsored by Governor Arnold
Schwarzenegger this past weekend
2188
01:32:39,247 --> 01:32:41,331
has been linked to a
steroid investigation.
2189
01:32:41,332 --> 01:32:43,876
A spokesman for the Governor
says Schwarzenegger did not know
2190
01:32:43,877 --> 01:32:46,127
of Martinez's links
to steroids.
2191
01:32:46,128 --> 01:32:49,005
Come on, Arnold, what
do you mean you didn't know?
2192
01:32:49,006 --> 01:32:50,881
Okay, let's compare.
2193
01:32:50,882 --> 01:32:53,592
Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger
when he was on steroids--
2194
01:32:53,593 --> 01:32:57,470
6'2", 235 lbs.
2195
01:32:57,472 --> 01:32:59,555
And here's
Victor Martinez,
2196
01:32:59,556 --> 01:33:02,767
seven inches shorter
and 15 lbs heavier.
2197
01:33:02,769 --> 01:33:05,145
Give him a big hand,
come on, a big hand.
2198
01:33:05,146 --> 01:33:07,062
You know, I've been
calling Arnold's office
2199
01:33:07,063 --> 01:33:08,773
For over a year
to get an interview,
2200
01:33:08,774 --> 01:33:10,858
but his people
keep telling me
2201
01:33:10,859 --> 01:33:13,151
that his position on
steroids is very clear.
2202
01:33:13,152 --> 01:33:14,986
So the only way
to get an answer
2203
01:33:14,987 --> 01:33:16,821
was to track him down
myself
2204
01:33:16,822 --> 01:33:18,698
at a place I knew
he would show up--
2205
01:33:18,699 --> 01:33:20,658
Muscle Beach.
2206
01:33:20,659 --> 01:33:23,702
It was just a few weeks before
the Governor's reelection
2207
01:33:23,704 --> 01:33:26,663
And Arnold went to where he
knew he could depend on support
2208
01:33:26,665 --> 01:33:28,664
to cement
his voting base.
2209
01:33:28,666 --> 01:33:31,752
This was my big chance.
I waited for hours.
2210
01:33:31,753 --> 01:33:34,211
And finally
there he was.
2211
01:33:34,213 --> 01:33:36,255
And there was
this other guy,
2212
01:33:36,256 --> 01:33:38,882
the tall guy, the one
in the middle. He saw me.
2213
01:33:38,883 --> 01:33:41,509
This is how politics
work these days.
2214
01:33:41,511 --> 01:33:44,304
The important thing when making
an appearance is the photo op.
2215
01:33:44,305 --> 01:33:46,389
The tall guy's gonna
nod at me.
2216
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:48,475
Then he's gonna point
Arnold in my direction.
2217
01:33:48,476 --> 01:33:52,186
Arnold, his instincts honed
by years of being a huge star,
2218
01:33:52,187 --> 01:33:55,064
instantly sizes up
the situation,
2219
01:33:55,065 --> 01:33:56,940
notices
the various cameras
2220
01:33:56,941 --> 01:33:59,651
and decides to use me to
further his reelection bid.
2221
01:33:59,652 --> 01:34:03,279
Look at those arms.
Look at those arms.
2222
01:34:03,281 --> 01:34:05,698
And instead of
talking about steroids
2223
01:34:05,699 --> 01:34:07,449
and the cheating
culture of America,
2224
01:34:07,450 --> 01:34:09,451
he compliments me
on my biceps
2225
01:34:09,452 --> 01:34:11,411
and we end up on the
cover of the L.A. "Times."
2226
01:34:11,412 --> 01:34:13,330
There he is.
Oh my God.
2227
01:34:13,331 --> 01:34:15,082
Not that I mind.
2228
01:34:15,083 --> 01:34:17,208
After all, it was kind
of like a dream come true.
2229
01:34:17,209 --> 01:34:19,585
Son of a bitch.
2230
01:34:19,586 --> 01:34:23,381
But I still have all
these unanswered questions.
2231
01:34:23,382 --> 01:34:25,173
Let me tell
you this, first of all--
2232
01:34:25,175 --> 01:34:28,677
You can't knock Arnold
really, okay?
2233
01:34:28,678 --> 01:34:31,805
Because the steroids didn't get
him into that office that he's in.
2234
01:34:31,806 --> 01:34:33,681
But he basically comes out
and he says,
2235
01:34:33,682 --> 01:34:36,392
"if you work hard
and you play by the rules
2236
01:34:36,393 --> 01:34:38,519
this country is truly
open to you.
2237
01:34:38,521 --> 01:34:40,938
You can achieve anything."
but did he get to where he is
2238
01:34:40,939 --> 01:34:44,065
playing by the rules? Or would
he have ever even been famous
2239
01:34:44,066 --> 01:34:45,901
had he not taken
those drugs?
2240
01:34:45,902 --> 01:34:47,777
Well, let's look at it
this way--
2241
01:34:47,778 --> 01:34:49,904
Let's talk
about other heroes.
2242
01:34:49,906 --> 01:34:53,240
Let's talk about John Kennedy.
He was a hero in the Navy.
2243
01:34:53,241 --> 01:34:56,494
John Kennedy served as the
President of the United States.
2244
01:34:56,495 --> 01:35:00,122
But John Kennedy cheated on his
wife right in the White House
2245
01:35:00,123 --> 01:35:03,417
with Marilyn Monroe and who
knows how many others, okay?
2246
01:35:03,418 --> 01:35:05,710
It's no different
than biblical characters.
2247
01:35:05,711 --> 01:35:08,962
Moses was a hero
but Moses was a heel.
2248
01:35:08,963 --> 01:35:10,756
He didn't get
into the Promised Land.
2249
01:35:10,757 --> 01:35:12,841
He didn't do
what God told him to do.
2250
01:35:12,842 --> 01:35:16,553
David was a hero--
King David was a hero,
2251
01:35:16,554 --> 01:35:19,222
But David was a heel.
He chased every woman
2252
01:35:19,224 --> 01:35:21,182
in a skirt,
or in a toga,
2253
01:35:21,183 --> 01:35:22,683
or whatever they wore
back then.
2254
01:35:22,684 --> 01:35:25,227
Every man is fallible
2255
01:35:25,228 --> 01:35:27,354
and even the people
2256
01:35:27,355 --> 01:35:29,564
who were
the prime examples
2257
01:35:29,565 --> 01:35:31,566
of how to run your life
in the bible
2258
01:35:31,567 --> 01:35:34,402
screwed up.
They all screwed up.
2259
01:35:34,403 --> 01:35:36,863
So people need
to get off their
2260
01:35:36,864 --> 01:35:39,949
self-righteous
soapboxes
2261
01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:41,784
and start loving
each other.
2262
01:35:41,785 --> 01:35:44,161
We just need to go out
there and do our jobs,
2263
01:35:44,162 --> 01:35:47,580
just as you professionals
do your job.
2264
01:35:47,582 --> 01:35:50,124
All of you guys lied.
2265
01:35:50,125 --> 01:35:52,126
All of y'all
2266
01:35:52,128 --> 01:35:54,254
in a story or whatever
have lied.
2267
01:35:54,255 --> 01:35:57,047
Should you have an asterisk
behind your name?
2268
01:35:57,048 --> 01:35:59,049
All of you have lied.
2269
01:35:59,050 --> 01:36:01,050
All of you have said
something wrong.
2270
01:36:01,052 --> 01:36:03,970
All of you have dirt,
all of you.
2271
01:36:03,971 --> 01:36:05,972
When your
closet's clean
2272
01:36:05,973 --> 01:36:07,973
then come clean
somebody else's.
2273
01:36:07,975 --> 01:36:10,351
But clean yours first.
2274
01:36:10,352 --> 01:36:12,394
Hi. How are you?
2275
01:36:12,395 --> 01:36:13,938
The last name is Bell,
B-E-L-L.
2276
01:36:16,566 --> 01:36:19,150
I took
the oath to serve you.
2277
01:36:19,151 --> 01:36:23,570
I say to everyone here today
and to all Californians,
2278
01:36:23,572 --> 01:36:25,865
I will not forget
my oath
2279
01:36:25,866 --> 01:36:27,741
And I will not
forget you.
2280
01:36:32,663 --> 01:36:35,332
A few months
after I voted for Arnold
2281
01:36:35,333 --> 01:36:37,375
his people told
Gold's Gym
2282
01:36:37,376 --> 01:36:38,960
to remove
all of his images.
2283
01:36:48,386 --> 01:36:50,970
What is the meaning
of this?
2284
01:36:50,971 --> 01:36:53,556
It's a dark day
in Gold's Gym.
2285
01:36:53,557 --> 01:36:55,892
They're taking down
Arnold's poster.
2286
01:36:55,893 --> 01:36:58,143
Do you have a lot of respect for
Arnold? Is he one of your heroes?
2287
01:36:58,144 --> 01:37:00,687
Well, he was until
he took his shit down.
2288
01:37:00,689 --> 01:37:02,189
You know, that guy's
a traitor, man.
2289
01:37:07,569 --> 01:37:09,779
The gym feels different now.
2290
01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:11,780
The old Arnold's gone
2291
01:37:11,781 --> 01:37:13,782
and somehow this time
2292
01:37:13,784 --> 01:37:15,533
I don't think
he'll be back.
2293
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,831
So you're excited to be out
here instead of in Poughkeepsie?
2294
01:37:21,833 --> 01:37:23,624
Hell yeah, man.
I got a job making
2295
01:37:23,625 --> 01:37:25,417
three times as much money and
my rent's just about the same
2296
01:37:25,419 --> 01:37:27,127
and I'm right by the beach
and I got a convertible.
2297
01:37:27,128 --> 01:37:29,838
Right here next to
the mirror, honey.
2298
01:37:29,839 --> 01:37:31,130
Put a little
muscle in it.
2299
01:37:31,132 --> 01:37:33,966
Here you go.
- Higher.
2300
01:37:33,968 --> 01:37:36,636
So what do you plan on doing here
that you weren't doing in Poughkeepsie?
2301
01:37:36,637 --> 01:37:38,971
Jeez, like having fun with
life instead of hating life.
2302
01:37:38,972 --> 01:37:42,140
Think it'll help you with
your problems and stuff?
2303
01:37:42,142 --> 01:37:44,018
Absolutely.
I feel better already.
2304
01:37:44,019 --> 01:37:46,019
Now that Mad
Dog's in California,
2305
01:37:46,020 --> 01:37:48,938
Things seem to be going
pretty good for him.
2306
01:37:48,940 --> 01:37:51,733
He got a job working as a trainer
at a local wrestling school.
2307
01:37:51,734 --> 01:37:53,734
Got you! Now if I
want to take it here--
2308
01:37:53,735 --> 01:37:55,486
Keep your face up,
keep your face up.
2309
01:37:55,488 --> 01:37:57,905
He'd actually
make a great teacher,
2310
01:37:57,906 --> 01:37:59,824
but that's not good
enough for Mad Dog.
2311
01:37:59,825 --> 01:38:02,283
He still wants
to be a superstar.
2312
01:38:02,285 --> 01:38:05,495
So this Sunday night, pay
per view, Madison Square Garden!
2313
01:38:05,497 --> 01:38:08,331
Hell's Henrys will toll
for you.
2314
01:38:10,917 --> 01:38:14,628
Just not--
I'm sick, though, dude.
2315
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:17,172
Mad Dog sent
his promo to the W.W.E.,
2316
01:38:17,173 --> 01:38:19,883
but they rejected him
again.
2317
01:38:19,884 --> 01:38:22,010
They said
he's too old
2318
01:38:22,011 --> 01:38:24,095
and not what they're
looking for right now.
2319
01:38:24,096 --> 01:38:26,556
You know, I want to
believe that the world is good,
2320
01:38:26,557 --> 01:38:29,725
but it's not.
And I want to try hard,
2321
01:38:29,726 --> 01:38:31,351
but why try
when you can't win?
2322
01:38:31,353 --> 01:38:33,436
Those who can't do,
train.
2323
01:38:33,437 --> 01:38:36,147
It's just I never
understood why I didn't,
2324
01:38:36,148 --> 01:38:38,066
you know?
2325
01:38:38,067 --> 01:38:40,902
What's the problem with
just being a normal guy?
2326
01:38:40,903 --> 01:38:42,570
What's wrong with
just being normal?
2327
01:38:42,571 --> 01:38:44,696
There's nothing wrong
with it.
2328
01:38:44,697 --> 01:38:46,698
Well, actually, there is
something wrong with it.
2329
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:48,492
the thing that's
wrong with it is
2330
01:38:48,493 --> 01:38:50,577
that I was born to attain
greatness and I'm the only one
2331
01:38:50,578 --> 01:38:53,704
that's holding myself back. And I need
to attain greatness. I need to do it.
2332
01:38:53,705 --> 01:38:56,165
You live down by the beach,
you have a beautiful wife,
2333
01:38:56,166 --> 01:38:57,833
and nothing's ever
good enough.
2334
01:38:57,835 --> 01:39:00,502
I can only imagine
how she feels.
2335
01:39:00,503 --> 01:39:03,463
And do you ever think,
2336
01:39:03,464 --> 01:39:06,549
"why am I dragging
somebody else in this?"
2337
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:09,968
I know that a lot of times
she's crying herself to sleep.
2338
01:39:09,970 --> 01:39:13,764
And I know that
sometimes she doesn't glow
2339
01:39:13,765 --> 01:39:16,099
the way that she did
when I first met her.
2340
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:18,519
And I know
it's my fault.
2341
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,353
And it really
tears me up.
2342
01:39:20,355 --> 01:39:22,021
Yeah.
Well, I mean,
2343
01:39:22,022 --> 01:39:24,064
I worry every day
that--
2344
01:39:24,066 --> 01:39:26,317
What I worry about is
you're gonna lose your job,
2345
01:39:26,318 --> 01:39:29,320
You're gonna lose your wife and
then you're gonna lose yourself.
2346
01:39:29,321 --> 01:39:31,280
If I lose my job and my
wife, what else do I have?
2347
01:39:34,242 --> 01:39:36,368
I just feel
2348
01:39:36,369 --> 01:39:38,870
that I have more
to offer this world.
2349
01:39:38,871 --> 01:39:41,914
And I don't know
exactly what it is
2350
01:39:41,915 --> 01:39:44,250
or how I'm gonna
go about doing it.
2351
01:39:43,966 --> 01:39:46,591
I know there's
something in here
2352
01:39:46,593 --> 01:39:49,343
That's meant for the
rest of the world to know.
2353
01:39:54,307 --> 01:39:57,683
When you were kids
2354
01:39:57,684 --> 01:39:59,809
you all admired
2355
01:39:59,810 --> 01:40:02,186
the champion marble shooter,
the fastest runner,
2356
01:40:02,187 --> 01:40:06,313
big league ballplayers,
the toughest boxers.
2357
01:40:06,314 --> 01:40:09,107
Americans love a winner
2358
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:11,151
and will not tolerate
a loser.
2359
01:40:20,450 --> 01:40:22,450
Smelly is now competing
2360
01:40:22,451 --> 01:40:24,577
against the best guys
in the world
2361
01:40:24,578 --> 01:40:26,745
and he hopes to achieve
his childhood dream
2362
01:40:26,746 --> 01:40:28,622
of bench-pressing
700 lbs.
2363
01:40:28,623 --> 01:40:31,081
But he and his wife
agreed
2364
01:40:31,082 --> 01:40:34,667
that this would be his
last meet on steroids.
2365
01:40:34,669 --> 01:40:37,419
I knew that she didn't
really care for it,
2366
01:40:37,420 --> 01:40:39,504
but i didn't know
it hurt her that much.
2367
01:40:39,505 --> 01:40:42,381
And I didn't know she
worried that much about it.
2368
01:40:42,383 --> 01:40:44,758
It's definitely something
that's not gonna be easy to do.
2369
01:40:44,759 --> 01:40:47,051
I don't necessarily want
to do it, but, you know,
2370
01:40:47,053 --> 01:40:48,927
if I just stay on it
and ignore her,
2371
01:40:48,928 --> 01:40:50,512
that's just
being selfish.
2372
01:40:50,513 --> 01:40:52,763
He's trying to have
another kid, so he decided
2373
01:40:52,765 --> 01:40:54,765
that this is gonna be
his last meet
2374
01:40:54,767 --> 01:40:56,891
that he ever
takes anything.
2375
01:40:56,892 --> 01:40:59,851
How do you think that'll
affect his lifting?
2376
01:40:59,853 --> 01:41:01,937
It'll affect it somewhat,
2377
01:41:01,938 --> 01:41:04,564
but once he tapers off
and has the child
2378
01:41:04,565 --> 01:41:06,398
he can go
right back on them.
2379
01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:08,650
But he doesn't want to go back
on them. His wife doesn't want him
2380
01:41:08,651 --> 01:41:10,401
to be on it at all
ever again.
2381
01:41:13,737 --> 01:41:15,738
The death of Smelly.
2382
01:41:15,739 --> 01:41:17,740
You think so?
2383
01:41:17,741 --> 01:41:19,491
Smelly will go back on.
2384
01:41:19,492 --> 01:41:21,951
So you'll never
take it again?
2385
01:41:21,952 --> 01:41:23,743
- I'll never take 'em again?
- Yeah.
2386
01:41:23,744 --> 01:41:25,453
No, I probably will
take 'em again
2387
01:41:25,454 --> 01:41:27,913
- because this is something--
- How?
2388
01:41:27,914 --> 01:41:30,165
Well, I'll figure out
a way.
2389
01:41:30,166 --> 01:41:32,667
I mean, that's something I'll
have to talk out with Andee,
2390
01:41:32,668 --> 01:41:34,501
but this is something
I've been--
2391
01:41:34,502 --> 01:41:37,044
I've been involved in power
lifting since I was 12 years old.
2392
01:41:37,045 --> 01:41:38,962
This is part of
what I like to do.
2393
01:41:38,964 --> 01:41:41,507
And I'm not gonna go
2394
01:41:41,508 --> 01:41:43,757
from squatting 800 lbs
to squatting 700 lbs.
2395
01:41:43,759 --> 01:41:46,093
I'm gonna want to get
back on 'em for sure.
2396
01:41:46,094 --> 01:41:48,428
Which is kind of sad
'cause--
2397
01:41:48,430 --> 01:41:50,554
Well, you know, a lot of
people have to lie to get ahead.
2398
01:41:50,555 --> 01:41:53,973
That's just kind of
the way things work.
2399
01:41:53,974 --> 01:41:56,725
Well, we weren't
brought up as cheaters.
2400
01:41:58,937 --> 01:42:01,103
Well, I mean,
people aren't brought up
2401
01:42:01,105 --> 01:42:03,898
to rob a bank either. You're
not really trained to rob a bank
2402
01:42:03,899 --> 01:42:06,357
or you're not really
trained to do drugs
2403
01:42:06,358 --> 01:42:08,400
or taught to do drugs
or anything like that,
2404
01:42:08,401 --> 01:42:10,068
but just, you know, it's
kind of the way you end up.
2405
01:42:12,946 --> 01:42:14,446
Yeah!
Come on!
2406
01:42:14,447 --> 01:42:16,781
Let's go, mark!
Go mark!
2407
01:42:16,783 --> 01:42:18,825
Let's go, Mark. Come on!
2408
01:42:18,826 --> 01:42:20,993
- Come on!
- Go Mark!
2409
01:42:23,496 --> 01:42:25,746
Go Mark!
Let's go, Mark!
2410
01:42:25,747 --> 01:42:28,289
Come on,
you got this.
2411
01:42:28,291 --> 01:42:30,541
Come on, you got it!
Let's go, come on!
2412
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,547
- Yeah! Yeah!
- Yes! Yes!
2413
01:42:45,928 --> 01:42:48,012
My baby
brother is on steroids
2414
01:42:48,013 --> 01:42:50,180
and we all know it.
2415
01:42:50,182 --> 01:42:53,141
But look at us. My dad looks
like he won the lottery.
2416
01:42:53,142 --> 01:42:56,351
And my mom's prayers
have been answered.
2417
01:42:56,352 --> 01:42:59,270
I was raised to believe
that cheaters never prosper,
2418
01:42:59,271 --> 01:43:02,564
but in America it seems
like cheaters always prosper.
2419
01:43:05,067 --> 01:43:09,151
The use of performance-enhancing
drugs like steroids
2420
01:43:09,152 --> 01:43:11,986
is dangerous and it
sends the wrong message
2421
01:43:11,988 --> 01:43:15,405
that there are shortcuts
to accomplishment
2422
01:43:15,407 --> 01:43:19,242
And that performance is more
important than character.
2423
01:43:19,243 --> 01:43:21,369
There is a clash in America
2424
01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:23,829
Between doing the right
thing and being the best.
2425
01:43:23,831 --> 01:43:26,247
Americans play to win
all the time
2426
01:43:26,249 --> 01:43:28,958
because the very
thought of losing
2427
01:43:28,959 --> 01:43:31,542
is hateful
to Americans.
2428
01:43:31,543 --> 01:43:35,170
It is out of here!
2429
01:43:35,171 --> 01:43:39,090
756!
2430
01:43:39,091 --> 01:43:41,215
Bonds stands alone!
2431
01:43:41,217 --> 01:43:43,176
In a culture
where second place
2432
01:43:43,177 --> 01:43:45,510
Is the first loser,
2433
01:43:45,512 --> 01:43:48,972
the real heroes are the
ones who win at all costs.
2434
01:43:48,973 --> 01:43:51,515
Everything I have--
my career,
2435
01:43:51,516 --> 01:43:53,892
my success,
my family--
2436
01:43:53,893 --> 01:43:55,726
I owe to America.
2437
01:43:59,271 --> 01:44:01,313
This is America.
2438
01:44:01,315 --> 01:44:04,190
We're the greatest
country in the world.
2439
01:44:04,191 --> 01:44:07,193
You could call us
a nation on steroids.
2440
01:44:07,194 --> 01:44:09,861
But what are those
long-term side effects?
2441
01:44:09,862 --> 01:44:11,863
For me
and my brothers
2442
01:44:11,864 --> 01:44:14,698
steroids are not
the problem.
2443
01:44:14,699 --> 01:44:16,908
They're just another
side effect
2444
01:44:16,909 --> 01:44:18,535
of being American.
2445
01:44:21,996 --> 01:44:26,498
# oh, superman,
where are you now? #
2446
01:44:26,500 --> 01:44:30,667
# when everything's
gone wrong somehow #
2447
01:44:30,669 --> 01:44:34,671
# the men of steel,
these men of power #
2448
01:44:34,672 --> 01:44:38,215
# are losing control
by the hour #
2449
01:44:38,216 --> 01:44:40,383
# and this is the time #
2450
01:44:40,384 --> 01:44:42,426
# this is the place #
2451
01:44:42,428 --> 01:44:45,428
# so we look
to the future #
2452
01:44:45,429 --> 01:44:49,431
# but there's not much left
to go around #
2453
01:44:49,432 --> 01:44:53,226
# tell me why this is
a land of confusion #
2454
01:44:53,227 --> 01:44:56,061
# ha ha ha ha #
2455
01:44:56,062 --> 01:45:00,481
# this is the world
we live in #
2456
01:45:00,482 --> 01:45:04,150
# and these are
the hands we're given #
2457
01:45:04,151 --> 01:45:08,361
# use them
and let's start trying #
2458
01:45:08,362 --> 01:45:09,737
# to make it #
2459
01:45:09,738 --> 01:45:11,821
# a place worth living #
2460
01:45:11,823 --> 01:45:13,490
# yeah #
2461
01:45:18,787 --> 01:45:20,911
# I remember long ago #
2462
01:45:23,289 --> 01:45:25,874
# where the sun was shining #
2463
01:45:27,918 --> 01:45:29,125
# and all the stars #
2464
01:45:29,126 --> 01:45:30,793
# were bright #
2465
01:45:30,795 --> 01:45:32,503
# all through the night #
2466
01:45:32,504 --> 01:45:35,213
# in the wake of this madness #
2467
01:45:35,215 --> 01:45:37,215
# as I held you tight #
2468
01:45:39,968 --> 01:45:42,135
# so long ago #
2469
01:45:53,186 --> 01:45:55,436
# there's too many men #
2470
01:45:55,437 --> 01:45:57,187
# too many people #
2471
01:45:57,188 --> 01:46:00,231
# making too many problems #
2472
01:46:00,232 --> 01:46:02,315
# and there's not much left #
2473
01:46:02,317 --> 01:46:04,442
# to go around #
2474
01:46:04,444 --> 01:46:06,068
# can't you see this is #
2475
01:46:06,069 --> 01:46:08,612
# a land of confusion? #
2476
01:46:08,614 --> 01:46:10,864
# ha ha ha ha #
2477
01:46:10,865 --> 01:46:12,365
# now this is #
2478
01:46:12,366 --> 01:46:15,408
# the world we live in #
2479
01:46:15,409 --> 01:46:16,701
# and these are #
2480
01:46:16,703 --> 01:46:19,369
# the hands we're given #
2481
01:46:19,371 --> 01:46:20,871
# stand up #
2482
01:46:20,873 --> 01:46:23,914
# and let's start showing #
2483
01:46:23,915 --> 01:46:27,007
# just where our
lives are going to #
2484
01:46:29,420 --> 01:46:31,587
# ha ha ha ha. #