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Orange County Fire Rescue.

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6600 Sea Harbor Drive.

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SeaWorld Stadium.

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Okay.

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We actually have a trainer in the water

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with one of our whales--

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the whale that they're not supposed
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Okay.
We'll get somebody en route.

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Okay, through gate #3 to Shamu Stadium.

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Gate 3.

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Orange County Sheriff's Office.

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We need SO to respond

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for a dead person at SeaWorld.

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Uh, a whale has eaten one of the trainers.

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A whale ate one of the trainers?

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That's correct.

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Do you believe?

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My parents first brought me to a SeaWorld park

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when I was very young.

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From that point forward, I was hooked.

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It meant everything to me because

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I'd never wanted anything more.

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I remember being probably
in first or second grade

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watching National Geographic specials

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or Mutual of Omaha specials

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and seeing whales and seeing dolphins
and as a little kid

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just being really incredibly inspired by it.

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I never went to SeaWorld.

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I grew up in New York,
so I went to the Bronx Zoo.

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Grew up on a lake with horses.
We'd swim the horses.

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I grew up around the ocean.

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I came from the middle of the country
in flatland Kansas.

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I'm from Virginia.

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Traveled down, did the theme park thing

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in Orlando when I was 17

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and saw the night show at Shamu Stadium.

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Very emotional, you know, popular music.

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And I was just-- I was very driven
to want to do that.

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Then I saw what the trainers did...

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and I said,
"That's what I want to do."

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One of the trainers there, he goes,

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"What are you doing out there?
You should be a trainer."

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I go, "I don't know how to train animals.

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I've never trained animals
in my life."

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How do you prepare yourself for an encounter

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with an 8,000-pound Orcinus orca?

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I always thought
you needed, like, a master's degree

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in marine biology to be a trainer.

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It takes years of study and experience

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to meet the strict requirements necessary

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to interact in the water with Shamu.

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Come to find out, it really is more about

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your personality and how good you can swim.

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I went and tried out, got the job right away.

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I'm like, "Yeah!"
So excited, you know.

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I was so, so excited.

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I really wanted to be there.
I really wanted to do the job.

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I couldn't wait to get in the water
with the animals.

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I really was proud of being a SeaWorld trainer.

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You know, I thought this was
the most amazing job.

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I showed up there on my first day,
not really knowing what to expect.

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I was told to put on a wetsuit
and get in the water.

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Hi, Mom!

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Oh, I was scared out of my wits.

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First of all, I put my wetsuit on backwards

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because I was raised on a farm in Virginia.

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- Hi, Dad!
- My first thought

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and memory of that time
was that dolphins are a lot bigger...

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...heh, than they look

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when you get in the water next to them.

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Well, I watched the Sea Lion & Otter Show,

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and this guy, Mike Morocco,

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he comes out during the show
with a dress on as Dorky,

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the alter ego of Dorothy--

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in a dress with a sea lion,
the Coward Sea Lion, right?

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And he's walking along with this little basket,

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and I go, "I will never,
ever do that."

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You know?
Two months later...

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Hi, I'm Dorky!

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Walking out onstage with a sea lion.

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I was overwhelmed and I was so excited.

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I mean, just seeing a killer whale...

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is breathtaking.

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I was just in awe.

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It's shocking to see how large they are

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and how beautiful they are.

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Being in the presence of the killer whales

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was just inspiring and amazing,

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and I remember seeing them for the first time,

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just not being able to believe
how huge they were.

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You're there because you want to train
killer whales and that's your goal.

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Yay!

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I didn't know it was going to happen,

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so I wasn't expecting it.

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And one day they say,
"Okay, Sam, you're ready to go."

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Come on, you got it.

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"You're going to stand on the whale.

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You're going to dive off the whale.

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The whale's going to swim under you
and pick you up again.

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And then you're going to do
a perimeter ride around the pool."

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Good!

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Keep moving.
Ride him to the slide-out.

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They just told me to go do it and I did it.

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Wow, I did-- I just rode
a killer whale.

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Yay, girly!

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When you look into their eyes,
you know somebody is home.

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Somebody's looking back.

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You form a very personal relationship
with your animal.

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There's something absolutely amazing

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about working with an animal.

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You are a team.

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You build a relationship together.

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You both understand the goal
and you help each other.

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I've been with this whale
since I was 18 years old

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and I've seen her have all four of her babies.

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We've grown up together. Huh?

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That's the joy I got out of it.

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It's a relationship like I've never had.

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Bro,
I have to know-- are you nervous?

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I'm scared.

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- Oh, no.
- Nice hair, Jeff.

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Did you see anything?

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Projection for the future of Jeff Ventre.

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Jeff Ventre is going to go over there,
he's going to shine.

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- You're going to notice...
- Dawn.

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- Oh, that's Dawn.
- Wow.

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He's going to be my supervisor one day.

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There you go.

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I knew Dawn when she was new.

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She was a great person to work with

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and she obviously blossomed
into one of SeaWorld's best trainers.

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This is Dawn Brancheau.

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Dawn is the senior trainer
here at Shamu Stadium.

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I guess you could say
I kind of knew Dawn in a past life.

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It's a tough job, isn't it?

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Yeah, we really do go through
a lot of physical exertion.

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You can see in the show
we do a lot of deepwater work,

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breath holds, very high-energy
behaviors with animals.

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Obviously they're giving out
a lot of energy too,

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but we're working together
and having a lot of fun as well.

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She's beautiful, she's blonde,
she's athletic, she's friendly.

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You know, everybody loves Dawn.

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And I mean this so sincerely,

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watching you perform yesterday--
you're amazing.

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- Thank you.
- You really are.

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She captured what it means
to be a SeaWorld trainer.

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She had so much experience
that it made me realize

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what happened to her
really could have happened to anyone.

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This is Detective Revere

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with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

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Today's date is February 24, 2010.

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The time is 4:16.

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In the room with me right now
is a Thomas George Tobin.

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- Is that correct?
- Correct.

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- So the arm is nowhere...
- Right.

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OSHA, on behalf of the federal government,

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is basically suggesting that swimming with orcas

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is inherently dangerous
and that you can't completely predict

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the outcome when you enter the water
or enter their environment.

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That's the crux of the OSHA case.

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Stay out of proximity with the animals
and you won't get killed.

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It will have a ripple effect
through the whole industry.

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This was national headline news.

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SeaWorld's whale performances

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may never be the same.

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Right now the theme park is arguing in court

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to keep whale trainers in the water,

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something OSHA says is extremely dangerous.

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These are wild animals,
and they are unpredictable

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because we don't speak whale.

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We don't speak whale, we don't speak tiger,

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we don't speak monkey.

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And tempers flared between the two sides today

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when OSHA's attorney suggested
that SeaWorld only made changes

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after trainer Dawn Brancheau's death
outraged the public.

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OSHA doesn't want
the trainers going back in the water

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without a physical barrier
between them and the whales.

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Being in close proximity
to these top predators is too dangerous.

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They won't then be getting in the water

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riding on the whales, things like that.

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If you were in a bathtub for 25 years,
don't you think you'd get

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a little irritated, aggravated,
maybe a little psychotic?

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The situation with Dawn Brancheau--
it didn't just happen.

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It's not a singular event.

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You have to go back over 20 years
to understand this.

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It was a really exciting thing to do

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and so everybody wanted to do it.

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What were they telling you you were going to do?

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Mm, capture orcas.

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Whoo-hoo!

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They had aircraft,

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they had spotters, they had speedboats,

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they had bombs they were throwing in the water.

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They were lighting their bombs
with acetylene torches in their boats

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and throwing them as fast as they could

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to herd the whales into coves.

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Whoo!

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But the orcas had been caught before

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and they knew what was going on

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and they knew their young ones
would be taken from them.

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So the adults without young
went east into a cul-de-sac

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and the boats followed them,
thinking they were all going that way,

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while the mothers with babies went north.

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But the capture teams had aircraft.

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And they have to come up for air eventually.

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And when they did,
the capture teams alerted the boats

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and said, "Oh, no, they're going north--
the ones with babies."

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So the boats-- the speedboats
caught them there

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and herded them in.

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And then they had 
fishing boats with seine nets

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that they would stretch across
so none could leave

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and then they could just pick out
the young ones.

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We were only after the little ones.

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And a little one is, you know,
a big animal still.

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But I was told because of shipping costs

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that's why they only take the little ones.

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They had the young ones
that they wanted in the corrals,

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so they dropped the seine nets.

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And all the others could have left,
but they stayed.

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We're there, trying to get
the young orca into the stretcher,

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and the whole famn damily is out here,

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25 yards away maybe,

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in a big line...

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...and they're communicating
back and forth.

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Well...

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you understand then 
what you're doing, you know.

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I-- I lost it.

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I mean, I just started crying.

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I didn't stop working,

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but I...

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you know, I just couldn't handle it.

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Just like kidnapping a little kid
away from their mother.

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Everybody's watching.
What can you do?

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It's the worst thing I can think of,
you know?

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I can't think of anything 
worse than that.

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Now, and this really sounds bad,

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but when the whole hunt was over,

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there were three dead 
whales in the net.

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And...

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so they had Peter and Brian and I...

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cut the whales open, 
fill them with rocks,

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put anchors on their 
tail, and sink them.

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Well...

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you know...

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really, I didn't even think about it

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being illegal at that point.

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I thought it was a PR thing.

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They were finally ejected
from the State of Washington

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by a court order in 1976.

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It was SeaWorld by name that was told,

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"Do not come back to Washington
to capture whales."

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Without missing a beat, they went
from Washington to Iceland

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and began capturing there.

254
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I've been part of a revolution
and two change of presidents

255
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in Central and South America...

256
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and seen some things that's hard to believe,

257
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but this is the worst thing
that I've ever done--

258
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is hunt that whale.

259
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Sealand has been
a part of Victoria for over 20 years.

260
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We specialize in the care
and display of killer whales.

261
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By the time I started, when he was four,

262
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he was up to 16 feet long
and weighed 4,000 pounds.

263
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Tilikum, up again.

264
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Thank you.

265
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I had actually seen Tilikum
quite a number of times.

266
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He was right across the street here in Victoria.

267
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Now, this show
can get a little bit soggy at times.

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All Sealand was was a net hanging in a marina

269
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with a float around it.

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Tilikum was the one
we really loved to work with.

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He was very well behaved
and he was always eager to please.

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When he was first introduced,
everything just went fine and dandy,

273
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but the previous head trainer

274
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used techniques that involved punishment.

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He would team a trained orca up
with Tilikum who was untrained.

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He would send them both off
to do the same behavior.

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If Tilikum didn't do it,
then both animals were punished.

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Deprived of food to keep them hungry,

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this caused a lot of frustration
with the larger animal,

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the established animal,

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and would in turn get frustrated with Tilikum

282
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and would rake him with his teeth.

283
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There would be times during certain seasons

284
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that Tilikum would be covered
head to toe with rakes.

285
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Rakes are teeth on teeth and raking the skin.

286
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And from head to toe you could see blood

287
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and you could see scratches,
and he would just be raked up.

288
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Both females would gang up on him.

289
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Tilikum was the one we trusted.

290
00:16:25,864 --> 00:16:28,075
We never were concerned about Tilikum.

291
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The issue was really that we stored
these whales at night

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in what we call a module,
which was 20 feet across

293
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and probably 30 feet deep as a safety precaution

294
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because we were worried about people
cutting the net and letting them go.

295
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And the lights were all turned out,
so there was really no stimulation.

296
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They're just in this dark,
metal 20x30-foot pool

297
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for two-thirds of their life.

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When we first started,

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they were quite small and quite young.

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So they fit in there quite nicely,

301
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but they were immobile for the most part.

302
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It didn't feel good.
It just didn't.

303
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And it was just wrong.

304
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We started having difficulty getting them all

305
00:17:11,910 --> 00:17:15,372
into this one small steel box, to be honest.

306
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That's what it was.
It was a floating steel box.

307
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That's where food deprivation would come in.

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We would hold back food,

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and they would know if they went in the module

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that they would get their food.

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So if they're hungry enough,
they're going to go in there.

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And during the winter that would be

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from 5:00 at night
till 7:00 in the morning.

314
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When you let them out,
you'd see these new tooth rakes

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and sometimes you'd see blood.

316
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Closing that door on him

317
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and knowing that he's locked in there
for the whole night is like...

318
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it's a stab, it's a "whoa."

319
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If that is true, it's not only inhumane,

320
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and I'll tell them so...

321
00:17:52,826 --> 00:17:57,038
but it probably led to what I think
is a psychosis that...

322
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he was on a hair trigger.

323
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He'd kill.

324
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An employee is dead after an encounter...

325
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...at a Canadian park
called Sealand of the Pacific.

326
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The victim, Keltie Byrne,
was a championship swimmer

327
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and a part-time worker at Sealand.

328
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As seen in this home video,
rescuers used a huge net to try...

329
00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:29,488
...rescue workers' efforts
were hindered by the agitated whales.

330
00:18:29,654 --> 00:18:31,782
I'd like to make
the Pan Pacific team this summer,

331
00:18:31,948 --> 00:18:36,244
but my more immediate goal
is just to swim fast at nationals.

332
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It was sort of a cloudy, gray day

333
00:18:45,003 --> 00:18:46,671
and we were looking for something to do,

334
00:18:46,838 --> 00:18:49,090
so we thought,
"Why not go to Sealand?"

335
00:18:49,257 --> 00:18:53,470
It was kind of like this dingy pool
with these whales and--

336
00:18:53,637 --> 00:18:55,847
it just felt a little bit like an amusement park

337
00:18:56,014 --> 00:18:59,893
that was kind of on its last legs
and everything was a bit gray.

338
00:19:00,060 --> 00:19:01,812
Yeah. It was like
a swimming pool.

339
00:19:01,978 --> 00:19:02,979
- Yeah, yeah.
- You know,

340
00:19:03,146 --> 00:19:04,815
three whales in a swimming pool.

341
00:19:04,981 --> 00:19:05,982
Yeah.

342
00:19:06,149 --> 00:19:09,569
And they would come up
and touch the ball and there was--

343
00:19:09,736 --> 00:19:13,031
I think there was some tail splashing
and there was some--

344
00:19:13,198 --> 00:19:15,408
- Some jumping.
- The fish. And--

345
00:19:15,575 --> 00:19:18,954
They hold the fish and the whales jump up.

346
00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,374
I remember saying, "Oh, what a fun job.

347
00:19:22,541 --> 00:19:25,961
You know, she's so lucky."

348
00:19:26,127 --> 00:19:29,506
And then I saw her walking with her rubber boots

349
00:19:29,673 --> 00:19:32,843
and she tripped and her foot
just dipped into the edge of the pool

350
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and she lost her balance and fell in.

351
00:19:35,637 --> 00:19:39,224
And then she was pushing her way up
to get out of the pool

352
00:19:39,391 --> 00:19:41,893
and the whale zoomed over, grabbed her boot,

353
00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:43,520
and pulled her back in.

354
00:19:43,687 --> 00:19:45,772
At first, I didn't think it was that serious

355
00:19:45,939 --> 00:19:49,609
because you see the trainer
in the pool with the whale

356
00:19:49,776 --> 00:19:53,154
and you think, "Oh, well,
the whales are used to that."

357
00:19:53,321 --> 00:19:55,866
And then all of a sudden,
it started getting--

358
00:19:56,032 --> 00:19:59,369
there was more swimming,
more activity, more thrashing,

359
00:19:59,536 --> 00:20:01,288
and she was starting to get panicked.

360
00:20:01,454 --> 00:20:04,207
And then as it progressed,
you started to realize,

361
00:20:04,374 --> 00:20:06,668
"Whoa, something's not right here."

362
00:20:06,835 --> 00:20:09,713
She started to scream
and she started looking around

363
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,132
and her eyes were, like, bigger and bigger

364
00:20:12,299 --> 00:20:14,926
and realizing that,
"I really am in trouble here."

365
00:20:15,093 --> 00:20:18,138
And then they would pull her under.

366
00:20:18,305 --> 00:20:20,181
And then they would come up
and then when she--

367
00:20:20,348 --> 00:20:22,559
they came up, she'd be,
"Help me, help me."

368
00:20:22,726 --> 00:20:24,060
And then they'd take her down again.

369
00:20:24,227 --> 00:20:27,647
And she would be submerged for several seconds

370
00:20:27,814 --> 00:20:30,066
up to, I don't know, maybe a minute.

371
00:20:30,233 --> 00:20:31,943
You're not keeping track.

372
00:20:32,110 --> 00:20:37,657
So it was harder and harder
for her to get the air in

373
00:20:37,824 --> 00:20:39,159
because she was screaming.

374
00:20:39,326 --> 00:20:43,079
And my sister remembers
her saying, "I don't want to die."

375
00:20:47,792 --> 00:20:51,630
Well, condolences to Keltie's family.

376
00:20:51,796 --> 00:20:53,673
Yeah.

377
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,550
That we couldn't help her

378
00:20:55,717 --> 00:20:57,677
was pretty wretched.

379
00:20:58,929 --> 00:21:01,097
Sealand closed.
Well, it's probably a good thing.

380
00:21:01,264 --> 00:21:04,559
I mean, it was a little pond.

381
00:21:04,726 --> 00:21:06,561
And I think the owner,

382
00:21:06,728 --> 00:21:10,649
you know, made the right decision
for whatever reasons.

383
00:21:10,815 --> 00:21:13,360
I don't believe he's a bad guy, a bad man.

384
00:21:13,526 --> 00:21:15,654
I think he was shocked by the whole affair, too.

385
00:21:16,655 --> 00:21:18,615
The blush was gone from the business

386
00:21:18,782 --> 00:21:22,077
and he decided that that was it.

387
00:21:22,243 --> 00:21:23,411
We should shut down.

388
00:21:23,578 --> 00:21:26,414
No one ever contacted us.
There was an inquest.

389
00:21:26,581 --> 00:21:30,001
No one ever asked us to say what happened.

390
00:21:30,168 --> 00:21:32,212
- Yeah.
- You know, we just left.

391
00:21:32,379 --> 00:21:35,590
There was no big lawsuits afterwards
and there was no memorial.

392
00:21:35,757 --> 00:21:40,178
And the only thing remaining
of Keltie Byrne is--

393
00:21:40,345 --> 00:21:45,600
is what's left in the folks' minds
who recall the case.

394
00:21:45,767 --> 00:21:47,769
So in the newspaper articles,

395
00:21:47,936 --> 00:21:50,814
the cause of death
was that she drowned accidentally,

396
00:21:50,981 --> 00:21:54,192
but she was pulled under by the whale.

397
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,444
Well, there's a bit of smoke
and mirrors going on.

398
00:21:56,611 --> 00:21:59,489
I mean, one of the fundamental facts is
is that none of the witnesses

399
00:21:59,656 --> 00:22:03,451
were clear about which whale pulled Keltie in.

400
00:22:03,618 --> 00:22:06,162
Yes. Yeah, it was the large whale.

401
00:22:06,329 --> 00:22:09,374
Tilikum, the male, is the one
that went after her.

402
00:22:09,541 --> 00:22:12,293
And the other two just kind of circled around.

403
00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:14,754
But he was definitely the instigator.

404
00:22:14,921 --> 00:22:19,175
And we knew it was that whale
because he had the flopped-over fin.

405
00:22:19,342 --> 00:22:21,845
Like, it was very easy to tell.

406
00:22:26,141 --> 00:22:30,061
Sealand of the Pacific closed
its doors and was looking, I guess,

407
00:22:30,228 --> 00:22:31,521
to make a buck on the way out

408
00:22:31,688 --> 00:22:33,773
and these whales are worth millions of dollars.

409
00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:36,484
When SeaWorld heard that Tilikum was available

410
00:22:36,651 --> 00:22:39,988
after this accident at Sealand of the Pacific,

411
00:22:40,155 --> 00:22:42,699
they really wanted Tilikum
because they needed a breeder.

412
00:22:42,866 --> 00:22:45,243
So I don't even think that anybody
even was questioning,

413
00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:47,245
like, is this a good idea?

414
00:22:47,412 --> 00:22:51,082
My understanding of the situation
was that Tilikum and the others

415
00:22:51,249 --> 00:22:52,667
would not be used in shows.

416
00:22:52,834 --> 00:22:54,419
They would not be performance animals.

417
00:22:54,586 --> 00:22:55,920
Our understanding of their behavior

418
00:22:56,087 --> 00:22:58,715
was that it was such
a highly stimulating event for them

419
00:22:58,882 --> 00:23:00,300
that they were likely to repeat it.

420
00:23:00,467 --> 00:23:03,178
Sealand was-- we were all young
and bit of sea cowboys

421
00:23:03,344 --> 00:23:06,306
and we weren't so technical
and scientific as SeaWorld,

422
00:23:06,473 --> 00:23:08,767
so we all had this vision
that they knew more than us

423
00:23:08,933 --> 00:23:10,477
and they were better than us
and Tilikum would have

424
00:23:10,643 --> 00:23:12,187
a bigger pool and he'd have a better life

425
00:23:12,353 --> 00:23:14,439
and he would have better care
and he'd have better food

426
00:23:14,606 --> 00:23:16,649
and it'd be a great life for him.

427
00:23:16,816 --> 00:23:19,277
So it was like, "Okay, Tilly.

428
00:23:19,444 --> 00:23:22,697
You're going to Disneyland.
Lucky you."

429
00:23:29,245 --> 00:23:30,330
The orcas' intelligence

430
00:23:30,497 --> 00:23:32,832
may be even superior to man's.

431
00:23:32,999 --> 00:23:36,211
As parents, they are exemplary,
better than many human beings.

432
00:23:36,377 --> 00:23:40,590
And like human beings, they have
a profound instinct for vengeance.

433
00:23:43,802 --> 00:23:45,178
Dino De Laurentiis presents...

434
00:23:45,345 --> 00:23:47,597
..."Orca."

435
00:23:47,764 --> 00:23:52,435
If you go back only 35 years, we knew nothing.

436
00:23:52,602 --> 00:23:53,853
In fact, less than nothing.

437
00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:56,981
What the public had was superstition and fear.

438
00:23:57,148 --> 00:23:59,275
A fight to the death...

439
00:24:00,902 --> 00:24:03,613
between the two most dangerous animals on Earth.

440
00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:05,323
What in hell are you?!

441
00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:07,367
These were the vicious killer whales

442
00:24:07,534 --> 00:24:09,786
that, you know, had 48 sharp teeth

443
00:24:09,953 --> 00:24:12,539
that would rip you to shreds
if they got a chance.

444
00:24:16,876 --> 00:24:20,713
What we learned is that
they're amazingly friendly

445
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,551
and understanding and intuitively
want to be your companion.

446
00:24:24,717 --> 00:24:26,845
Are you recording this?

447
00:24:29,764 --> 00:24:31,975
And to this day there is no record

448
00:24:32,142 --> 00:24:35,228
of an orca doing any harm
to any human in the wild.

449
00:24:48,783 --> 00:24:51,661
They live in these big families.

450
00:24:53,371 --> 00:24:56,416
And they have life spans
very similar to human life spans.

451
00:24:56,583 --> 00:25:00,253
The females can live to about 100, maybe more,

452
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,922
males to about 50 or 60.

453
00:25:03,089 --> 00:25:07,177
But the adult offspring never leave
their mother's side.

454
00:25:09,846 --> 00:25:14,392
Each community has a completely
different set of behaviors.

455
00:25:16,186 --> 00:25:20,231
Each has a complete repertoire of vocalizations

456
00:25:20,398 --> 00:25:23,318
with no overlap.

457
00:25:23,484 --> 00:25:24,861
You could call them languages.

458
00:25:25,028 --> 00:25:27,363
The scientific community is reluctant to say

459
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:30,074
any other animal but humans uses languages,

460
00:25:30,241 --> 00:25:33,745
but there's every indication
that they use languages.

461
00:25:33,912 --> 00:25:37,207
The orca brain just screams out

462
00:25:37,373 --> 00:25:39,709
intelligence, awareness.

463
00:25:39,876 --> 00:25:41,544
We took this tremendous brain

464
00:25:41,711 --> 00:25:45,215
and we put it in a magnetic
resonance imaging scanner.

465
00:25:45,381 --> 00:25:49,302
What we found was just astounding.

466
00:25:49,469 --> 00:25:52,388
They've got a part of the brain
that humans don't have.

467
00:25:52,555 --> 00:25:55,975
A part of their brain has extended out

468
00:25:56,142 --> 00:25:58,937
right adjacent to their limbic system.

469
00:25:59,103 --> 00:26:01,856
The system processes emotions.

470
00:26:02,023 --> 00:26:05,109
The safest inference would be these are animals

471
00:26:05,276 --> 00:26:09,447
that have highly elaborated emotional lives.

472
00:26:09,614 --> 00:26:12,408
It's becoming clear that dolphins and whales

473
00:26:12,575 --> 00:26:15,912
have a sense of self, a sense of social bonding

474
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,414
that they've taken to another level--

475
00:26:18,581 --> 00:26:21,084
much stronger, much more complex

476
00:26:21,251 --> 00:26:25,004
than in other mammals, including humans.

477
00:26:25,171 --> 00:26:27,382
We look at mass strandings,

478
00:26:27,548 --> 00:26:30,593
the fact that they stand by each other.

479
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,888
Everything about them
is social-- everything.

480
00:26:34,889 --> 00:26:38,434
It's been suggested
that their whole sense of self

481
00:26:38,601 --> 00:26:41,980
is distributed among
the individuals in their group.

482
00:26:42,146 --> 00:26:43,940
There are five of them.

483
00:26:44,107 --> 00:26:48,027
These orca are going
to attack this seal on--

484
00:26:48,194 --> 00:26:52,907
they've been breaking the ice off
and swimming around him.

485
00:26:53,074 --> 00:26:54,826
Oh, here they come, two of them.
Lookit, underneath there.

486
00:26:54,993 --> 00:26:56,494
You can see them underneath.

487
00:26:56,661 --> 00:26:59,038
They made a big wave.
Look at that, a big wave.

488
00:26:59,205 --> 00:27:00,290
- Oh, yeah.
- Whoa.

489
00:27:00,456 --> 00:27:02,917
- Oh, God.
- Oh, God. No, no, no.

490
00:27:03,084 --> 00:27:05,420
Oh!
Oh, I can't stand it.

491
00:27:05,586 --> 00:27:08,006
If you can't watch
the bullfight, you'd better leave.

492
00:27:08,172 --> 00:27:10,925
Oh, yeah, here they go.
Look at this-- three of them.

493
00:27:11,926 --> 00:27:12,927
Look at this. Look at this.

494
00:27:13,094 --> 00:27:14,804
Oh, God. Oh, no!

495
00:27:14,971 --> 00:27:16,472
- Oh, God!
- It's all over.

496
00:27:16,639 --> 00:27:18,641
Nope, not quite.

497
00:27:18,808 --> 00:27:21,769
Yeah, it's all over.

498
00:27:21,936 --> 00:27:23,688
It's all over.

499
00:27:37,910 --> 00:27:41,414
The First Nations people
and the old fishermen on the coast,

500
00:27:41,581 --> 00:27:44,167
they call them "blackfish."

501
00:27:44,334 --> 00:27:48,504
They're an animal that possesses
great spiritual power

502
00:27:48,671 --> 00:27:51,090
and they're not to be meddled with.

503
00:27:55,595 --> 00:27:57,764
I've spent a lot of time around killer whales

504
00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:59,474
and they're always in charge.

505
00:28:00,808 --> 00:28:03,519
I never get out of the boat,
I never mess with them.

506
00:28:05,438 --> 00:28:07,940
The speed and the power is quite amazing.

507
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:17,367
Rules are the same
as the pool hall--

508
00:28:17,533 --> 00:28:20,495
keep one foot on the floor at all times.

509
00:28:24,415 --> 00:28:26,918
Even after seeing them thousands of times...

510
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:33,716
you see them and you still--

511
00:28:33,883 --> 00:28:35,635
you know, wake up.

512
00:28:48,731 --> 00:28:51,192
He arrived, I think, in 1992.

513
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,694
I was at Whale and Dolphin Stadium
when he arrived.

514
00:28:53,861 --> 00:28:58,116
And he's twice as large
as the next animal in the facility.

515
00:28:58,282 --> 00:28:59,283
Yay!

516
00:28:59,450 --> 00:29:00,827
The guy is right at about 12,000 pounds.

517
00:29:00,993 --> 00:29:04,288
That's incredible.
He looks fantastic.

518
00:29:04,455 --> 00:29:06,582
When Tilikum arrived at SeaWorld,

519
00:29:06,749 --> 00:29:11,712
he was attacked viciously,
repeatedly by Katina and others.

520
00:29:11,879 --> 00:29:15,299
In the wild, it's a very matriarchal society.

521
00:29:15,466 --> 00:29:18,344
Male whales are kept at the perimeter.

522
00:29:18,511 --> 00:29:20,054
In captivity,

523
00:29:20,221 --> 00:29:24,392
the animals are squeezed
into very close proximity.

524
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,686
Tilikum-- the poor guy
is so large,

525
00:29:26,853 --> 00:29:30,481
he couldn't get away
because he just is not as mobile

526
00:29:30,648 --> 00:29:33,484
relative to the smaller and more agile females.

527
00:29:33,651 --> 00:29:36,195
And where was he going to run?
There's no place to run.

528
00:29:36,362 --> 00:29:38,865
I think he spent a lot of time in isolation.

529
00:29:39,031 --> 00:29:41,492
SeaWorld claims that, "Oh, no,
he's always in with the other--

530
00:29:41,659 --> 00:29:43,661
with the females," but from what I saw,

531
00:29:43,828 --> 00:29:46,456
he was mostly put with the females
for breeding purposes

532
00:29:46,622 --> 00:29:50,710
and he didn't spend a lot of time,
you know, with the other whales.

533
00:29:50,877 --> 00:29:54,338
It's for his own protection
that he gets beat up.

534
00:29:54,505 --> 00:29:56,674
And so by segregating him,

535
00:29:56,841 --> 00:30:01,804
it provides a physical barrier
so the females can't kick his butt.

536
00:30:01,971 --> 00:30:04,599
Tilikum is pretty much kept in the back,

537
00:30:04,765 --> 00:30:09,103
and then brought out at the very end
as, like, the big splash.

538
00:30:13,357 --> 00:30:16,235
He was always happy to see you in the morning.

539
00:30:16,402 --> 00:30:17,820
- Hi!
- There we go.

540
00:30:17,987 --> 00:30:20,072
- You're the boy.
- Look at his chompers.

541
00:30:20,239 --> 00:30:22,533
Maybe because he was alone,
maybe because he was hungry,

542
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:23,910
maybe because he just liked you--

543
00:30:24,076 --> 00:30:26,078
who knows what was going on in his head.

544
00:30:26,245 --> 00:30:28,414
You want to whistle?

545
00:30:28,581 --> 00:30:31,542
-- All right, so he can talk to us.

546
00:30:31,709 --> 00:30:33,169
- Yes.
- You don't say.

547
00:30:33,336 --> 00:30:34,670
He's precious.
Yes?

548
00:30:34,837 --> 00:30:36,047
That was really loud.
Terrific.

549
00:30:38,466 --> 00:30:40,301
- Come on, big boy.
- Show the pecs.

550
00:30:40,468 --> 00:30:42,803
He seemed to like to work.
He seemed to be interested.

551
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:45,348
He seemed to want to learn new things.

552
00:30:45,515 --> 00:30:48,559
He seemed to be enjoying
working with the trainers.

553
00:30:50,394 --> 00:30:53,397
He, for me, was a joy.

554
00:30:53,564 --> 00:30:55,274
He really responded to me and I--

555
00:30:55,441 --> 00:30:58,236
you know, every day I went to work,
I was happy to see Tilly.

556
00:31:00,863 --> 00:31:03,950
- Boop!
- That's cute.

557
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,289
You're being too cute.

558
00:31:10,456 --> 00:31:13,125
I never got the impression
of him while I was there

559
00:31:13,292 --> 00:31:16,379
that, oh, my God, he's the scary whale.

560
00:31:16,546 --> 00:31:17,547
Not at all.

561
00:31:17,713 --> 00:31:22,301
Maybe some of it's just our naiveté or whatever,

562
00:31:22,468 --> 00:31:25,012
you know, because we weren't given

563
00:31:25,179 --> 00:31:27,598
the full details of Keltie's situation.

564
00:31:27,765 --> 00:31:29,183
Turn around.
Smile, buddy.

565
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:31,102
- Cheese.
- Yay!

566
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:33,729
I was under the impression
that Tilikum had nothing to do

567
00:31:33,896 --> 00:31:36,190
with her death specifically,
that it was the female whales

568
00:31:36,357 --> 00:31:37,525
who were responsible for her death.

569
00:31:37,692 --> 00:31:40,528
What I found really odd at first
was the way they were acting

570
00:31:40,695 --> 00:31:42,530
around this whale and what they had told us

571
00:31:42,697 --> 00:31:44,907
seemed to me to be two different things.

572
00:31:45,074 --> 00:31:46,826
The first day he arrived, I remember

573
00:31:46,993 --> 00:31:49,662
one of the senior trainers
at SeaWorld, she--

574
00:31:49,829 --> 00:31:52,915
Tilikum was in a pool
and she was walking over a gate,

575
00:31:53,082 --> 00:31:55,710
and she had her wetsuit unzipped
and it was tied around her waist.

576
00:31:55,876 --> 00:31:57,920
And she was making cooing noises and going,

577
00:31:58,087 --> 00:31:59,714
"Hey, Tilikum,
what a cute little whale."

578
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,633
And she was, like,
just kind of play-talking at him,

579
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,429
and one of the supervisors said,
"Get her out of there!"

580
00:32:06,596 --> 00:32:08,931
And just screamed at her,
like, "Get her away from there,"

581
00:32:09,098 --> 00:32:11,058
like they were so worried
that something was going to happen.

582
00:32:11,225 --> 00:32:14,270
And I remember thinking,
"Why are you guys making

583
00:32:14,437 --> 00:32:17,189
such a big deal out of this
when he didn't actually kill her?"

584
00:32:17,356 --> 00:32:20,484
Well, clearly management thought
there was some reason

585
00:32:20,651 --> 00:32:22,445
to exercise caution around him.

586
00:32:22,612 --> 00:32:25,239
You know, clearly they knew more
than they were telling us.

587
00:32:26,574 --> 00:32:29,076
Ladies and gentlemen, the next two
behaviors you're going to be seeing,

588
00:32:29,243 --> 00:32:31,495
you can only see right here at SeaWorld.

589
00:32:32,496 --> 00:32:36,125
Jeff was out in the audience
filming one of the Shamu shows.

590
00:32:36,292 --> 00:32:37,543
It was a perfect show.

591
00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:38,961
All of the hot dog sequences,

592
00:32:39,128 --> 00:32:41,255
the water works sequences went off great.

593
00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:46,302
I was really excited just to be capturing this

594
00:32:46,469 --> 00:32:49,138
because it was kind of turning out
to be a great show.

595
00:32:52,433 --> 00:32:54,810
A show that's kind of complete--

596
00:32:54,977 --> 00:32:58,731
it doesn't-- it probably only happens
a few times a week.

597
00:33:00,358 --> 00:33:03,110
At the very end of the show,
Liz was working Tilikum

598
00:33:03,277 --> 00:33:05,363
and apparently Tilikum
lunged out of the water at her.

599
00:33:05,529 --> 00:33:08,783
And I had captured Tilikum
coming out of the water

600
00:33:08,949 --> 00:33:10,868
kind of turning sideways and appeared to me

601
00:33:11,035 --> 00:33:12,453
to try to grab Liz.

602
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:14,622
And at that moment,

603
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:16,916
the tape became unusable.

604
00:33:17,083 --> 00:33:20,336
I was just kind of basically instructed
to get rid of the tape.

605
00:33:20,503 --> 00:33:23,756
Wanting to kind of preserve the tape,
I actually used the editing equipment

606
00:33:23,923 --> 00:33:27,009
and snipped out
that little half-second or second

607
00:33:27,176 --> 00:33:29,178
when he did that and stitched it back together

608
00:33:29,345 --> 00:33:31,681
so it just kind of looked like
a glitch in the tape.

609
00:33:31,847 --> 00:33:33,808
And I'm like, "Look at this."
And it was like, "No.

610
00:33:33,974 --> 00:33:35,393
This is no longer usable."

611
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,853
You know, and so we had to destroy the tape.

612
00:34:16,142 --> 00:34:18,436
It's pretty outrageous that SeaWorld would claim

613
00:34:18,602 --> 00:34:21,105
there was no expecting Tilikum
to come out of the water

614
00:34:21,272 --> 00:34:23,065
because they had witnessed him
coming out of the water,

615
00:34:23,232 --> 00:34:25,276
and it's written into his profile.

616
00:34:27,486 --> 00:34:29,488
He lunges at trainers.

617
00:34:33,325 --> 00:34:36,370
When we visit SeaWorld,
we tend to take advantage of the fact

618
00:34:36,537 --> 00:34:40,082
that Shamu has been provided
with a safe and comfortable habitat.

619
00:34:40,249 --> 00:34:42,168
And everything trained is an extension

620
00:34:42,334 --> 00:34:45,087
of the killer whale's natural behavior.

621
00:34:45,254 --> 00:34:48,424
I spewed out the party line during shows.

622
00:34:48,591 --> 00:34:50,342
I'm totally mortified now.

623
00:34:50,509 --> 00:34:54,388
There was like-- something like,
"Look at Namu.

624
00:34:54,555 --> 00:34:57,308
Namu's not doing that
because she has to."

625
00:34:57,475 --> 00:35:00,936
Namu is doing this because she really wants to.

626
00:35:01,103 --> 00:35:02,730
Oh, my gosh.

627
00:35:02,897 --> 00:35:04,982
Like, some of the things I'm embarrassed by,

628
00:35:05,149 --> 00:35:06,358
so embarrassed by.

629
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,905
At the time, I think
I could have convinced myself

630
00:35:11,071 --> 00:35:14,408
that the relationships that we had
were built on something

631
00:35:14,575 --> 00:35:17,369
stronger than the fact
that I'm giving them fish.

632
00:35:17,536 --> 00:35:19,038
You know, I like to think that...

633
00:35:21,123 --> 00:35:23,584
but I don't know that that's the truth.

634
00:35:26,712 --> 00:35:30,216
I had been there a while and I had seen
a few other things along the way

635
00:35:30,382 --> 00:35:33,719
that made me question why I was there

636
00:35:33,886 --> 00:35:35,554
and what we were doing with these animals.

637
00:35:39,225 --> 00:35:41,685
On November 4, 1988,

638
00:35:41,852 --> 00:35:44,271
a killer whale at SeaWorld

639
00:35:44,438 --> 00:35:47,900
gave the performance of a lifetime.

640
00:35:54,824 --> 00:35:57,451
Don't miss this small miracle.

641
00:35:57,618 --> 00:36:01,372
Come see our new Baby Shamu.

642
00:36:01,539 --> 00:36:03,582
I know it was naive of me,

643
00:36:03,749 --> 00:36:05,543
but I thought that...

644
00:36:08,045 --> 00:36:10,214
it was our responsibility
to do as much as we could

645
00:36:10,381 --> 00:36:12,007
to keep their family units together

646
00:36:12,174 --> 00:36:14,927
since we knew that in the wild
that's what happens.

647
00:36:15,094 --> 00:36:17,346
♪ Yes, sir, that's our baby... ♪

648
00:36:17,513 --> 00:36:19,849
Kalina was the first Baby Shamu.

649
00:36:20,015 --> 00:36:22,601
Baby Shamu--
SeaWorld's newest star...

650
00:36:22,768 --> 00:36:27,189
She had become quite disruptive
and challenging her mom a little bit

651
00:36:27,356 --> 00:36:29,859
and disrupting some shows
and that kind of thing.

652
00:36:30,025 --> 00:36:31,902
♪ She's got the whole place jumpin' ♪

653
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:35,281
♪ Shamu,
she's that baby whale. ♪

654
00:36:36,282 --> 00:36:38,117
It was decided by the higher-ups
that she would be moved

655
00:36:38,284 --> 00:36:41,161
to another park when she was
just four, four and a half years old.

656
00:36:41,328 --> 00:36:45,416
And that was news to us as trainers
that were working with her.

657
00:36:45,583 --> 00:36:48,168
To me, it had never crossed my mind

658
00:36:48,335 --> 00:36:52,089
that they might be moving the baby from her mom.

659
00:36:55,175 --> 00:36:58,846
The supervisors basically
was kind of mocking me,

660
00:36:59,013 --> 00:37:01,432
like, "Oh, you're saying, 'Poor Kalina,"'

661
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,935
you know, "'what's she going to do
without her mommy?"'

662
00:37:05,102 --> 00:37:07,855
And, you know-- and that
of course just shut me up.

663
00:37:09,523 --> 00:37:12,067
So, the night of the move,
we had to deploy the nets

664
00:37:12,234 --> 00:37:16,196
to separate them and get Kalina,
the baby, into the med pool.

665
00:37:16,363 --> 00:37:19,491
And Katina was generally a quiet whale.

666
00:37:19,658 --> 00:37:21,952
She was not an overly vocal whale.

667
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,247
After, Kalina was removed from the scene

668
00:37:25,414 --> 00:37:28,292
and put on the truck and taken to the airport,

669
00:37:28,459 --> 00:37:30,961
and Katina, her mom, was left in the pool.

670
00:37:31,128 --> 00:37:34,715
She stayed in the corner of the pool,

671
00:37:34,882 --> 00:37:38,719
like, literally just shaking and screaming,

672
00:37:38,886 --> 00:37:39,970
screeching, crying.

673
00:37:40,137 --> 00:37:42,264
Like, I had never seen her

674
00:37:42,431 --> 00:37:43,891
do anything like that.

675
00:37:44,058 --> 00:37:45,976
And the other females in the pool,

676
00:37:46,143 --> 00:37:47,519
maybe once or twice during the night

677
00:37:47,686 --> 00:37:49,355
they'd come out and check on her.

678
00:37:49,521 --> 00:37:52,983
And she'd screech and cry
and they would just run back.

679
00:37:55,152 --> 00:37:57,363
There was nothing that you could call that,

680
00:37:57,529 --> 00:38:00,532
watching it, besides grief.

681
00:38:02,117 --> 00:38:04,119
Those are not your whales.

682
00:38:04,286 --> 00:38:07,206
You know, you love them and you'll think,

683
00:38:07,373 --> 00:38:10,751
"I'm the one that touches them,
feeds them, keeps them alive,

684
00:38:10,918 --> 00:38:13,212
gives them the care
that they need."

685
00:38:13,379 --> 00:38:15,714
They're not your whales.

686
00:38:15,881 --> 00:38:17,007
They own them.

687
00:38:18,384 --> 00:38:20,761
Kasatka and Takara were very close.

688
00:38:20,928 --> 00:38:24,723
Kasatka was the mother, Takara's the calf.

689
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:26,725
Takara was special to me.

690
00:38:27,851 --> 00:38:30,396
They were inseparable.

691
00:38:30,562 --> 00:38:33,148
When they separated Kasatka and Takara,

692
00:38:33,315 --> 00:38:35,192
it was to take Takara to Florida.

693
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:39,738
Once Takara had already been
stretchered out of the pool,

694
00:38:39,905 --> 00:38:43,158
put on the truck, driven to the airport...

695
00:38:44,868 --> 00:38:48,330
Kasatka continued to make vocals

696
00:38:48,497 --> 00:38:50,457
that had never been heard before.

697
00:38:50,624 --> 00:38:52,292
They brought in

698
00:38:52,459 --> 00:38:55,671
the senior research scientists
to analyze the vocals.

699
00:38:55,838 --> 00:38:58,757
They were long-range vocals.

700
00:38:58,924 --> 00:39:01,385
She was trying something

701
00:39:01,552 --> 00:39:05,639
that no one had even heard before
looking for Takara.

702
00:39:05,806 --> 00:39:07,349
That's heartbreaking.

703
00:39:08,976 --> 00:39:11,270
How can anyone

704
00:39:11,437 --> 00:39:16,150
look at that and think
that that is morally acceptable?

705
00:39:16,316 --> 00:39:18,193
It's not.

706
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,362
It is not okay.

707
00:39:22,322 --> 00:39:23,866
Stand by, Dean.

708
00:39:24,033 --> 00:39:25,617
Let's go live to SeaWorld

709
00:39:25,784 --> 00:39:28,454
where Dean Gomersall
is joining us for a sneak peek.

710
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:30,622
Hi, Dean.
Tell us about the new show.

711
00:39:30,789 --> 00:39:31,999
Good afternoon, Richard.

712
00:39:32,166 --> 00:39:33,876
The new show is the Whale and Dolphin Discovery.

713
00:39:34,043 --> 00:39:36,170
What it does is it shows
the relationship we have

714
00:39:36,336 --> 00:39:38,297
between all our animals here at the Whale...

715
00:39:38,464 --> 00:39:40,674
There's so many things that were told to us

716
00:39:40,841 --> 00:39:42,968
that they tell us-- they tell you
so many times

717
00:39:43,135 --> 00:39:44,553
that you just--
you start believing it.

718
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,430
So all the animals here get along very well.

719
00:39:46,597 --> 00:39:48,390
It's just like training your dog, really.

720
00:39:48,557 --> 00:39:50,976
I was blind, you know.
I was a kid.

721
00:39:51,143 --> 00:39:53,645
I didn't know what I was doing, really.

722
00:39:53,812 --> 00:39:55,105
- Nice.
- Good job.

723
00:39:55,272 --> 00:39:56,982
You did a real good job.

724
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:06,867
Ladies and gentlemen,
this is David from Maryland.

725
00:40:07,034 --> 00:40:09,578
Go ahead and wave at everyone, David.

726
00:40:09,745 --> 00:40:12,581
I just really bought into what they told us.

727
00:40:12,748 --> 00:40:15,709
You know, I learned to say
what they told us to the audience.

728
00:40:15,876 --> 00:40:16,877
Hello out there.

729
00:40:17,044 --> 00:40:19,046
Children are some of Shamu's biggest fans.

730
00:40:19,213 --> 00:40:21,048
We can do just about anything we want.

731
00:40:21,215 --> 00:40:23,675
I thought I knew everything about
killer whales when I worked there,

732
00:40:23,842 --> 00:40:25,302
you know, and everything about these animals.

733
00:40:25,469 --> 00:40:27,096
I really know nothing about killer whales.

734
00:40:27,262 --> 00:40:29,389
I know a lot about being an animal trainer

735
00:40:29,556 --> 00:40:31,266
or a killer whale trainer,
but I don't know anything

736
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:34,144
about these animals' natural history
or their behavior.

737
00:40:34,311 --> 00:40:37,272
I really in some ways believed a lot
of what I was learning from them,

738
00:40:37,439 --> 00:40:38,816
because why would they lie?

739
00:40:38,982 --> 00:40:44,613
Because the whales in their pools die young,

740
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:49,660
they like to say that all orcas
die at 25 or 30 years.

741
00:40:49,827 --> 00:40:52,412
- 25 to 35 years.
- 25 to 35 years.

742
00:40:52,579 --> 00:40:55,958
They're documented in the wild
living to be about...

743
00:40:56,125 --> 00:40:57,876
35, mid-30s.

744
00:40:58,043 --> 00:41:00,003
They tend to live a lot longer
in this environment

745
00:41:00,170 --> 00:41:01,630
because they have all the veterinary care.

746
00:41:01,797 --> 00:41:03,423
And of course that's false.

747
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:07,928
We knew by 1980, after half a dozen
years of the research,

748
00:41:08,095 --> 00:41:11,682
that they live equivalent to human life spans.

749
00:41:11,849 --> 00:41:16,061
And every other potentially
embarrassing fact is twisted

750
00:41:16,228 --> 00:41:18,605
and turned and denied one way or another.

751
00:41:18,772 --> 00:41:20,107
So, in the wild, they live...

752
00:41:20,274 --> 00:41:21,441
- Less.
- Less.

753
00:41:21,608 --> 00:41:23,360
Like the floppy dorsal fins.

754
00:41:23,527 --> 00:41:27,322
25% of whales have a fin
that turns over like that

755
00:41:27,489 --> 00:41:28,657
as they get older.

756
00:41:28,824 --> 00:41:32,828
Dorsal collapse happens
in less than 1% of wild killer whales.

757
00:41:32,995 --> 00:41:33,996
We know this.

758
00:41:34,163 --> 00:41:39,126
All the captive males
100% have collapsed dorsal fins.

759
00:41:39,293 --> 00:41:42,754
And they say that they're a family,
that the whales are in their family.

760
00:41:42,921 --> 00:41:44,339
They have their pods.

761
00:41:44,506 --> 00:41:48,969
But that's just an artificial
assemblage of their collection,

762
00:41:49,136 --> 00:41:52,347
however management decides they should mix them

763
00:41:52,514 --> 00:41:54,683
and whichever ones happen to be born

764
00:41:54,850 --> 00:41:56,852
or bought and brought in.

765
00:41:57,019 --> 00:41:59,605
That's not a family, you know.
Come on.

766
00:42:00,939 --> 00:42:03,150
You've got animals
from different cultural subsets

767
00:42:03,317 --> 00:42:05,194
that have been brought in from various parks.

768
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,361
These are different nations.

769
00:42:06,528 --> 00:42:08,488
These aren't just two different killer whales.

770
00:42:08,655 --> 00:42:11,241
These animals, they've got different genes,

771
00:42:11,408 --> 00:42:14,494
they use different languages.

772
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,624
Well, what could happen
as a result of them being

773
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:21,501
thrown in with other whales
that they haven't grown up with,

774
00:42:21,668 --> 00:42:23,962
that are not part of their culture

775
00:42:24,129 --> 00:42:26,131
is there's hyperaggression...

776
00:42:28,634 --> 00:42:31,762
...a lot of violence,
a lot of killing in captivity

777
00:42:31,929 --> 00:42:35,098
that you don't ever see in the wild.

778
00:42:35,265 --> 00:42:37,351
For the health and safety of the animals,

779
00:42:37,517 --> 00:42:39,728
please do not put your hands in the water.

780
00:42:39,895 --> 00:42:41,605
It was always sort of this backdrop,

781
00:42:41,772 --> 00:42:45,651
this underpinning of tension between animals.

782
00:42:45,817 --> 00:42:51,240
Whale-on-whale aggression was
just part of your-- the daily existence.

783
00:42:51,406 --> 00:42:55,285
We ask that you use
the stairs and aisleways as you exit.

784
00:42:55,452 --> 00:42:57,579
Please do not step on the seats.

785
00:42:57,746 --> 00:42:59,581
These areas may become wet

786
00:42:59,748 --> 00:43:02,042
and therefore slippery to some footwear.

787
00:43:02,209 --> 00:43:03,210
Thank you.

788
00:43:03,377 --> 00:43:05,837
♪ Blue wonder... ♪

789
00:43:06,004 --> 00:43:07,714
In the wild, when there's tension,

790
00:43:07,881 --> 00:43:09,716
they've got thousands of square miles

791
00:43:09,883 --> 00:43:13,595
to exit the scene and they can get away.

792
00:43:13,762 --> 00:43:16,265
You don't have that in captivity.

793
00:43:16,431 --> 00:43:19,851
Could you imagine being in a small
concrete enclosure for your life

794
00:43:20,018 --> 00:43:22,604
when you're used to swimming 100 miles a day?

795
00:43:22,771 --> 00:43:26,441
♪ Free-feeling... ♪

796
00:43:26,608 --> 00:43:29,319
Sometimes this aggression became very severe

797
00:43:29,486 --> 00:43:34,283
and, in fact, whales have died
in captivity because of this aggression.

798
00:43:34,449 --> 00:43:35,701
I think it was 1988.

799
00:43:35,867 --> 00:43:38,620
Kandu, trying to assert
her dominance over Corky,

800
00:43:38,787 --> 00:43:40,580
rammed Corky.

801
00:43:40,747 --> 00:43:45,294
It fractured her jaw,
which cut an artery in her head

802
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:47,421
and then she bled out.

803
00:43:49,089 --> 00:43:52,259
Now that's got to be a hard way to go down.

804
00:43:54,303 --> 00:43:57,639
I saw that there was just
a lot of things that weren't right.

805
00:43:57,806 --> 00:43:59,474
And there was a lot of it--
misinformation--

806
00:43:59,641 --> 00:44:01,977
and something was amiss.

807
00:44:02,144 --> 00:44:05,063
And, you know, I sort of
compartmentalized that part of it

808
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:07,941
and did the best that I could
with the knowledge that I had

809
00:44:08,108 --> 00:44:09,985
to take care of the animals that were there.

810
00:44:10,152 --> 00:44:12,779
You know, I think all the trainers there
have the same thing in their heart.

811
00:44:12,946 --> 00:44:15,824
They're trying to make a difference
in the lives of the animals.

812
00:44:16,867 --> 00:44:20,787
You think that, "if I leave,
who's going to take care of Tilikum?"

813
00:44:20,954 --> 00:44:24,082
That's why I stayed.
Because I felt sorry for Tilikum.

814
00:44:24,249 --> 00:44:26,084
I mean, if you want to get down
to the nuts and bolts of it,

815
00:44:26,251 --> 00:44:28,545
I stayed because I felt sorry for Tilikum.

816
00:44:28,712 --> 00:44:32,591
And I couldn't bring myself to stop coming

817
00:44:32,758 --> 00:44:34,551
and trying to take care of him.

818
00:44:47,147 --> 00:44:49,024
Gosh, do I love coming out here every day

819
00:44:49,191 --> 00:44:52,778
and having the audience just love
what we're doing with the animals.

820
00:44:52,944 --> 00:44:55,280
How do I make this animal
as beautiful as they are

821
00:44:55,447 --> 00:44:57,908
and have people walk away loving this animal?

822
00:44:58,075 --> 00:44:59,493
And they're touched and they're moved

823
00:44:59,659 --> 00:45:02,371
and I feel like I made a difference to them.

824
00:45:02,537 --> 00:45:04,998
I left in January of 2010,

825
00:45:05,165 --> 00:45:07,709
a month before Dawn passed away.

826
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:11,296
She was like a safety guru.

827
00:45:11,463 --> 00:45:14,007
I mean, she was always
double-checking,

828
00:45:14,174 --> 00:45:15,842
making sure that everyone
was doing the right thing.

829
00:45:16,009 --> 00:45:18,512
So I remember she would record
every show that she did

830
00:45:18,678 --> 00:45:21,223
and she would watch it and critique herself.

831
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:24,643
She was constantly trying to be better.

832
00:45:24,810 --> 00:45:26,812
When I found out it was Dawn,

833
00:45:26,978 --> 00:45:29,231
I was shocked.

834
00:45:30,273 --> 00:45:32,692
That could have been me.
I could have been the spotter.

835
00:45:32,859 --> 00:45:34,986
What if I was there and I could have saved her?

836
00:45:35,153 --> 00:45:37,739
You know, all these things go through your mind.

837
00:45:49,751 --> 00:45:51,837
John Sillick is the guy who, in 1987,

838
00:45:52,003 --> 00:45:55,298
was crushed between two whales
at SeaWorld of San Diego.

839
00:45:55,465 --> 00:45:58,677
Now, even though I'd been working
at SeaWorld for six months,

840
00:45:58,844 --> 00:46:00,595
I had no idea that that had even happened.

841
00:46:00,762 --> 00:46:02,013
I never even heard that story.

842
00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:05,434
And the SeaWorld party line was that,
well, that was-- it was a trainer error.

843
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,477
It was John's fault.
You know, John's fault.

844
00:46:07,644 --> 00:46:09,187
He was supposed to get off that whale.

845
00:46:09,354 --> 00:46:12,107
And for years, I believed that
and I told people that.

846
00:46:20,157 --> 00:46:23,743
I actually started at SeaWorld, like,
five days after that event occurred

847
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:26,788
and we didn't--
we weren't told much about it

848
00:46:26,955 --> 00:46:30,083
other than it was trainer error.

849
00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:33,336
And, you know, especially
when you're new into the program,

850
00:46:33,503 --> 00:46:34,754
you don't really question a whole lot.

851
00:46:34,921 --> 00:46:37,007
Well, you know, years later,
when you actually look at the footage,

852
00:46:37,174 --> 00:46:39,134
you go, "You know what?
He didn't do anything wrong."

853
00:46:39,301 --> 00:46:40,719
That whale just landed on him, you know.

854
00:46:40,886 --> 00:46:43,180
That whale just went to the wrong spot.

855
00:46:43,346 --> 00:46:44,890
It could have been aggression.
Who knows?

856
00:46:45,056 --> 00:46:48,059
But it was not the trainer's fault
at all, watching that video.

857
00:46:52,772 --> 00:46:56,151
When I saw the video
of the killer whale landing on John,

858
00:46:56,318 --> 00:46:57,861
I mean, it just absolutely took my breath away.

859
00:46:58,028 --> 00:46:59,029
L9aSped.

860
00:46:59,196 --> 00:47:00,238
I watched it two or three times,

861
00:47:00,405 --> 00:47:01,823
and every time I saw that, I just gasped.

862
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:03,408
I could not believe what I was seeing.

863
00:47:03,575 --> 00:47:05,368
What kept his body together is--

864
00:47:05,535 --> 00:47:07,412
his wetsuit basically held him together.

865
00:47:07,579 --> 00:47:08,955
But I know he's had multiple surgeries

866
00:47:09,122 --> 00:47:11,249
and he's got tons of hardware in his body.

867
00:47:11,416 --> 00:47:14,419
And it's hard for me to believe
that I didn't actually see that video

868
00:47:14,586 --> 00:47:16,796
while I was actually an animal trainer

869
00:47:16,963 --> 00:47:19,007
because it seems to me that every person

870
00:47:19,174 --> 00:47:21,593
who works with killer whales
should have to watch that video.

871
00:47:26,431 --> 00:47:28,642
Tamarie--

872
00:47:28,808 --> 00:47:30,894
you know, Tamarie made mistakes.

873
00:47:31,061 --> 00:47:34,231
The most important one
was interacting with whales

874
00:47:34,397 --> 00:47:36,233
without a spotter.

875
00:47:37,651 --> 00:47:40,362
So she's putting her foot on Orkid,

876
00:47:40,529 --> 00:47:41,988
she's taking her foot off.

877
00:47:42,155 --> 00:47:45,659
She's putting her foot on Orkid,
her rostrum, she's taking it off.

878
00:47:45,825 --> 00:47:48,411
Watching the video, knowing Orkid,

879
00:47:48,578 --> 00:47:52,123
your stomach drops because you know
what's probably going to happen.

880
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:54,668
She grabbed her foot.

881
00:47:54,834 --> 00:47:58,004
Tamarie whips around and she grabs the gate.

882
00:47:58,171 --> 00:48:00,840
You see herjust ripped from the gate.

883
00:48:02,968 --> 00:48:05,428
At this point, Tamarie knows
that she's in trouble.

884
00:48:05,595 --> 00:48:06,888
She's under the water.

885
00:48:07,055 --> 00:48:09,057
Splash and Orkid both have her.

886
00:48:09,224 --> 00:48:10,892
She's totally out of view.

887
00:48:11,059 --> 00:48:13,603
No other trainer knows that this is happening.

888
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:15,021
People start to scream.

889
00:48:15,188 --> 00:48:18,316
It was a park guest that was filming it.

890
00:48:18,483 --> 00:48:20,235
You hear-- you don't see her,

891
00:48:20,402 --> 00:48:23,905
but you hear Tamarie surface.

892
00:48:24,072 --> 00:48:27,576
You hear herjust scream out,
"Somebody help me."

893
00:48:27,742 --> 00:48:30,161
And the way she screamed it,

894
00:48:30,328 --> 00:48:31,830
it was just
such a bloodcurdling--

895
00:48:31,997 --> 00:48:35,083
like she knew she was going to die.

896
00:48:36,585 --> 00:48:39,838
Robin-- when he ran over,
he made a brilliant decision.

897
00:48:40,005 --> 00:48:43,383
He told a trainer to run and take
the chain off Kasatka's gate.

898
00:48:44,509 --> 00:48:47,178
By taking that chain off,
it would give the precursor to Orkid

899
00:48:47,345 --> 00:48:48,930
that Kasatka was coming in.

900
00:48:49,097 --> 00:48:52,017
Kasatka's more dominant than Orkid,

901
00:48:52,183 --> 00:48:55,061
so Orkid let her go.

902
00:48:55,228 --> 00:48:59,482
Her arm, it was U-shaped.

903
00:48:59,649 --> 00:49:01,860
It was compound fractured.

904
00:49:03,903 --> 00:49:07,115
She's very lucky to be alive, that's for sure.

905
00:49:20,503 --> 00:49:23,214
I believe it's 70 plus, maybe even more,

906
00:49:23,381 --> 00:49:25,884
just killer whale trainer accidents.

907
00:49:26,051 --> 00:49:30,388
Maybe 30 of them happened prior to me
being actually hired at SeaWorld.

908
00:49:30,555 --> 00:49:31,848
And I knew about none of them.

909
00:49:35,977 --> 00:49:38,772
I've seen animals come out at trainers.

910
00:49:43,693 --> 00:49:45,236
Something's wrong.

911
00:49:45,403 --> 00:49:46,905
I've seen people get slammed.

912
00:49:59,876 --> 00:50:03,797
The whales, they're just playing or--
or they're upset for a second.

913
00:50:12,722 --> 00:50:14,849
It was just something that happened, you know?

914
00:50:15,016 --> 00:50:17,519
This culture of "You get back on the horse

915
00:50:17,686 --> 00:50:19,396
and you dive back in the water.

916
00:50:19,562 --> 00:50:22,440
And if you're hurt, well, then we've got
other people that will replace you."

917
00:50:22,607 --> 00:50:25,026
And, "You came a long way.
Are you sure you want that?"

918
00:50:34,661 --> 00:50:36,788
A SeaWorld trainer is recovering today

919
00:50:36,955 --> 00:50:40,375
after a terrifying ordeal
in front of a horrified audience.

920
00:51:06,443 --> 00:51:09,988
For some reason,
the whale just took a different approach

921
00:51:10,155 --> 00:51:11,948
to what it was going to do

922
00:51:12,115 --> 00:51:15,410
with a very senior,
very experienced trainer, Ken Peters,

923
00:51:15,577 --> 00:51:17,287
and dragged him to the bottom of the pool

924
00:51:17,454 --> 00:51:19,080
and held him at the bottom.

925
00:51:20,915 --> 00:51:23,251
Let him go, picked him up,

926
00:51:23,418 --> 00:51:24,836
took him down again.

927
00:51:31,885 --> 00:51:36,556
And these periods he was taken down
were pretty close to the mark.

928
00:51:36,723 --> 00:51:40,518
You know, a minute, a minute 20.

929
00:51:45,064 --> 00:51:47,192
When he was at the surface, he didn't panic,

930
00:51:47,358 --> 00:51:49,027
he didn't thrash, he didn't scream.

931
00:51:49,194 --> 00:51:50,987
Maybe he's just built that way.

932
00:51:51,154 --> 00:51:53,865
But he stroked the whale.

933
00:51:57,994 --> 00:52:00,830
And the whale let go of one foot
and grabbed the other.

934
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:22,769
That's a pretty deep pool
and he took him right down.

935
00:52:22,936 --> 00:52:25,396
I think that's to two atmospheres of pressure.

936
00:52:25,563 --> 00:52:28,691
Apparently, Mr. Peters
is an experienced scuba diver

937
00:52:28,858 --> 00:52:30,443
and I think that knowledge probably contributed

938
00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:32,529
to how he was able to be hauled down there

939
00:52:32,695 --> 00:52:35,865
that quickly and stay calm and know what to do.

940
00:52:38,284 --> 00:52:41,287
He knew what he was doing because
you can see him actually in the film.

941
00:52:41,454 --> 00:52:43,122
It's-- the def is so good,
you can see him ventilating.

942
00:52:43,289 --> 00:52:44,958
You can see him ventilating really hard.

943
00:52:45,124 --> 00:52:48,211
So he knows about swimming
and diving and being underwater.

944
00:52:48,378 --> 00:52:51,673
He may have been assuming
he was going under again.

945
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,511
I did not walk away unimpressed
by his calm demeanor

946
00:52:56,678 --> 00:52:58,471
during that whole affair.

947
00:53:01,891 --> 00:53:03,852
I would be scared shitless.

948
00:53:22,287 --> 00:53:24,289
He was near to the end.

949
00:53:26,165 --> 00:53:30,712
Presumably, Ken Peters
had a relationship with this whale.

950
00:53:30,879 --> 00:53:33,381
Maybe he did.
Maybe that's what saved him.

951
00:53:33,548 --> 00:53:37,385
But Peters got the whale to let him go.

952
00:53:38,761 --> 00:53:40,305
And they strung a net across.

953
00:53:48,938 --> 00:53:53,484
And Ken Peters pulled himself
over the float line

954
00:53:53,651 --> 00:53:56,571
and swam like a demon
to a slide-out

955
00:53:56,738 --> 00:53:59,449
because the whale was coming right behind him.

956
00:53:59,616 --> 00:54:01,951
The whale jumped over and came right after him.

957
00:54:02,118 --> 00:54:03,328
He tried to stand up and run.

958
00:54:03,494 --> 00:54:04,579
Of course, his feet were damaged.

959
00:54:04,746 --> 00:54:07,749
I mean, he just fell and he scrambled.

960
00:54:10,043 --> 00:54:11,920
And they take this as a prime example

961
00:54:12,086 --> 00:54:13,671
of their training working.

962
00:54:13,838 --> 00:54:17,634
And they say, "Just stand back
and stay calm," and that did work.

963
00:54:18,676 --> 00:54:22,263
They claim this as a victory

964
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:24,390
of how they do business.

965
00:54:29,479 --> 00:54:32,774
And maybe so, but it can also be interpreted

966
00:54:32,941 --> 00:54:36,486
as a hair's breadth away from another fatality.

967
00:54:43,284 --> 00:54:45,078
Hi, Shamu.
Hi, everybody.

968
00:54:45,244 --> 00:54:47,622
We're the Johnsons from Detroit, Michigan.

969
00:54:47,789 --> 00:54:49,666
We sure had a great time
when we visited SeaWorld.

970
00:54:49,832 --> 00:54:51,250
It's one of our favorite places.

971
00:54:51,417 --> 00:54:54,671
Yeah, I like the part when Shamu
gets everybody wet.

972
00:54:54,837 --> 00:54:56,965
When the whales get close to the glass

973
00:54:57,131 --> 00:54:58,591
and start kicking out the water?

974
00:54:58,758 --> 00:55:00,343
Whamo!
You're a goner.

975
00:55:10,228 --> 00:55:14,232
Orange County's sheriff's deputies
have identified the 27-year-old man

976
00:55:14,399 --> 00:55:17,235
found dead in a killer whale's tank at SeaWorld.

977
00:55:17,402 --> 00:55:21,155
The victim is Daniel P. Dukes
from South Carolina.

978
00:55:21,322 --> 00:55:24,158
Dukes was found yesterday
draped over the back of Tilikum,

979
00:55:24,325 --> 00:55:27,161
the largest orca held in captivity.

980
00:55:27,328 --> 00:55:30,456
Well, all I know is
the public relations version of it--

981
00:55:30,623 --> 00:55:33,501
he was a young man that had been arrested

982
00:55:33,668 --> 00:55:36,295
not long before he snuck into SeaWorld.

983
00:55:36,462 --> 00:55:38,131
Maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence

984
00:55:38,297 --> 00:55:41,509
around the perimeter and stayed after hours.

985
00:55:41,676 --> 00:55:45,138
Perfect story line--
a mentally disturbed guy

986
00:55:45,304 --> 00:55:48,141
hides in the park after hours
and strips his clothes off

987
00:55:48,307 --> 00:55:51,394
and decides he wants to have
a magical experience with an orca

988
00:55:51,561 --> 00:55:54,439
and drowns because he became hypothermic.

989
00:55:54,605 --> 00:55:56,482
Right.
So that's the story line

990
00:55:56,649 --> 00:55:58,443
and none of us were there
to know the difference.

991
00:55:58,609 --> 00:56:02,155
He was not detected by the night watch trainers

992
00:56:02,321 --> 00:56:04,365
who were presumably at that station.

993
00:56:04,532 --> 00:56:06,367
There are cameras all over SeaWorld.

994
00:56:06,534 --> 00:56:08,786
There are cameras all over
the back of Shamu Stadium

995
00:56:08,953 --> 00:56:09,954
pointing every which way.

996
00:56:10,121 --> 00:56:12,206
There are underwater cameras.

997
00:56:12,373 --> 00:56:16,252
I find it hard to believe
that nobody knew until the morning

998
00:56:16,419 --> 00:56:18,254
that there was a body in there.

999
00:56:18,421 --> 00:56:21,049
They have a night watch trainer every night.

1000
00:56:21,215 --> 00:56:24,218
That person didn't hear
any splashing or screaming?

1001
00:56:24,385 --> 00:56:27,722
I mean, I just find that really suspicious.

1002
00:56:27,889 --> 00:56:29,182
One of the employees--

1003
00:56:29,348 --> 00:56:31,267
I don't know if it was
a physical therapist or somebody--

1004
00:56:31,434 --> 00:56:35,688
was coming in in the morning
and there was Tilikum,

1005
00:56:35,855 --> 00:56:38,608
you know, with a dead guy,
a dead, naked guy on his back,

1006
00:56:38,775 --> 00:56:42,820
kind of parading him around the back pool.

1007
00:56:42,987 --> 00:56:45,615
The public relations spin on this was that

1008
00:56:45,782 --> 00:56:49,327
he was kind of a drifter
and died of hypothermia.

1009
00:56:49,494 --> 00:56:53,164
But the medical examiner reports

1010
00:56:53,331 --> 00:56:55,333
were more graphic than that.

1011
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:58,127
For example, Tilikum stripped him,

1012
00:56:58,294 --> 00:56:59,796
bit off his genitals.

1013
00:56:59,962 --> 00:57:02,381
There was bite marks all over his body.

1014
00:57:02,548 --> 00:57:06,469
Now, whether that was post-death
or pre-death, I don't know.

1015
00:57:06,636 --> 00:57:09,263
But, yeah, all I can comment on

1016
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:12,391
is that the guy definitely
jumped in the wrong pool.

1017
00:57:19,649 --> 00:57:22,276
So why keep Tilikum there?

1018
00:57:22,443 --> 00:57:25,154
This guy, he has a proven
track record of killing people.

1019
00:57:25,321 --> 00:57:28,074
He's clearly a liability to the institution.

1020
00:57:28,241 --> 00:57:31,160
Why keep him around?
Well, it's quite simple to answer.

1021
00:57:31,327 --> 00:57:33,663
And that is that his semen
is worth a lot of money.

1022
00:57:43,422 --> 00:57:45,299
Over the years, Tilikum has been

1023
00:57:45,466 --> 00:57:48,177
one of the main breeding whales at SeaWorld.

1024
00:57:51,931 --> 00:57:54,934
It's brilliant because they can
inseminate way more female whales,

1025
00:57:55,101 --> 00:57:57,103
because they can just
get his sperm and freeze it.

1026
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:59,313
And then he's basically
operating as a sperm bank.

1027
00:58:01,107 --> 00:58:03,401
In a reputable breeding program, rule number one

1028
00:58:03,568 --> 00:58:06,362
is you certainly would not breed
an animal that has shown

1029
00:58:06,529 --> 00:58:09,198
a history of aggression towards humans.

1030
00:58:09,365 --> 00:58:12,368
Imagine if you had a pit bull who had killed.

1031
00:58:12,535 --> 00:58:14,537
That animal would have likely been put down.

1032
00:58:14,704 --> 00:58:16,581
But in the entire
SeaWorld collection--

1033
00:58:16,747 --> 00:58:20,126
it's like 54% of the whales
in SeaWorld's collection

1034
00:58:20,293 --> 00:58:23,004
now have Tilikum's genes.

1035
00:58:36,225 --> 00:58:39,061
The fall is to assume that
all killer whales are like Tilikum.

1036
00:58:39,228 --> 00:58:41,189
You have to look at their
learning history from birth.

1037
00:58:41,355 --> 00:58:44,817
You have to understand why Tilikum was a hazard

1038
00:58:44,984 --> 00:58:46,569
to anybody in the water.

1039
00:58:46,736 --> 00:58:49,947
And you have to understand that none
of the other killer whales at SeaWorld

1040
00:58:50,114 --> 00:58:51,365
that are in that system are that way.

1041
00:58:51,532 --> 00:58:53,993
What about the incident at Loro Parque?

1042
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,620
First of all, I-- I can't--

1043
00:58:55,786 --> 00:58:59,832
I can't speak with specificity
about Loro Parque.

1044
00:58:59,999 --> 00:59:01,918
I wasn't there.

1045
00:59:02,084 --> 00:59:04,295
In fact, I know very little about it.

1046
00:59:04,462 --> 00:59:06,923
Probably about as much
as the general public knows.

1047
01:00:10,152 --> 01:00:12,613
Loro Parque, it's in the Canary Islands,

1048
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:14,907
which is an autonomous region of Spain.

1049
01:00:15,074 --> 01:00:18,119
It's the largest tourist attraction
in all of Spain.

1050
01:00:23,666 --> 01:00:26,669
And when SeaWorld sent the orcas to Loro Parque,

1051
01:00:26,836 --> 01:00:29,255
everybody was always questioning,

1052
01:00:29,422 --> 01:00:34,427
like, how did they make
that leap to send four young orcas

1053
01:00:34,593 --> 01:00:37,555
to a park off the west coast of Africa

1054
01:00:37,722 --> 01:00:42,435
with trainers who-- a lot of them
had never been around orcas before?

1055
01:00:44,562 --> 01:00:46,314
Nothing was ready.

1056
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,857
The venue wasn't ready.

1057
01:00:48,024 --> 01:00:51,485
It wasn't ready for the orcas,
it wasn't ready for a show.

1058
01:00:51,652 --> 01:00:54,155
The owner of the park
didn't want to lose revenue

1059
01:00:54,322 --> 01:00:56,782
by shutting down the pools and repairing them.

1060
01:00:56,949 --> 01:00:58,951
So for three years, the animals ate the pools

1061
01:00:59,118 --> 01:01:01,120
and for three years
the animals had problems--

1062
01:01:01,287 --> 01:01:03,956
with their teeth, with their stomachs.

1063
01:01:04,123 --> 01:01:05,583
So that's the reason why these animals

1064
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:07,793
are enduring the endoscope procedures.

1065
01:01:09,378 --> 01:01:11,213
Back up.
Now back up, back up.

1066
01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:13,257
Those are still SeaWorld's animals

1067
01:01:13,424 --> 01:01:15,718
and they are responsible for those animals.

1068
01:01:25,644 --> 01:01:28,439
Loro Parque doesn't have a good reputation.

1069
01:01:28,606 --> 01:01:32,318
People that work in the business
know the reputation of places

1070
01:01:32,485 --> 01:01:35,571
and Loro Parque does not have a good reputation.

1071
01:01:35,738 --> 01:01:38,866
They didn't spend the same amount
of time as the SeaWorld trainers,

1072
01:01:39,033 --> 01:01:40,951
did not go through the same regimen

1073
01:01:41,118 --> 01:01:43,913
that the SeaWorld trainers went through.

1074
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,707
You know, and Alexis really was
the best trainer.

1075
01:01:46,874 --> 01:01:49,877
And I did say-- I said,
"You're the only trainer there

1076
01:01:50,044 --> 01:01:53,422
that can hold his own
with a SeaWorld trainer."

1077
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:55,925
And I said, "But you need
to be careful."

1078
01:02:29,708 --> 01:02:31,544
Anywhere along the line
it could have been stopped

1079
01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:34,296
because everyone knew
it was a tragedy waiting to happen.

1080
01:02:34,463 --> 01:02:37,007
But no one ever did anything about it.

1081
01:02:37,174 --> 01:02:38,509
And in the end,

1082
01:02:38,676 --> 01:02:41,595
it was the best trainer who lost his life.

1083
01:05:00,109 --> 01:05:01,944
Those were SeaWorld's whales.

1084
01:05:02,111 --> 01:05:04,488
They were trained using SeaWorld's techniques.

1085
01:05:05,573 --> 01:05:09,868
And their training was being supervised
at the time of the fatal accident

1086
01:05:10,035 --> 01:05:14,123
by one of their senior trainers from San Diego.

1087
01:05:36,103 --> 01:05:39,398
For somebody to get up and say in a court of law

1088
01:05:39,565 --> 01:05:42,985
they have no knowledge of the linkages

1089
01:05:43,152 --> 01:05:47,197
between SeaWorld
and this park in Tenerife is well--

1090
01:05:47,364 --> 01:05:50,576
either she doesn't know and is telling the truth

1091
01:05:50,743 --> 01:05:52,995
or it's just a bold-faced lie.

1092
01:05:57,333 --> 01:06:00,336
As trainers, we never forget
Shamu's true potential.

1093
01:06:00,502 --> 01:06:02,296
We see it each and every day.

1094
01:06:02,463 --> 01:06:06,175
That's why all of our interactions
are very carefully thought out,

1095
01:06:06,342 --> 01:06:08,427
especially our water work interaction.

1096
01:06:08,594 --> 01:06:10,095
Whoa!

1097
01:06:17,728 --> 01:06:19,938
You big dork.

1098
01:06:20,105 --> 01:06:22,066
Especially our water work interactions

1099
01:06:22,232 --> 01:06:24,943
because they're potentially the most dangerous.

1100
01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:28,739
I'd been expecting it
since the second person was killed.

1101
01:06:28,906 --> 01:06:32,117
I'd been expecting somebody
to be killed by Tilikum.

1102
01:06:32,284 --> 01:06:33,911
I'm surprised it took as long as it did.

1103
01:06:34,078 --> 01:06:36,121
First tonight,
a six-ton killer whale

1104
01:06:36,288 --> 01:06:38,957
has lived up to its name,
killing an experienced trainer

1105
01:06:39,124 --> 01:06:41,251
at SeaWorld, Orlando, today.

1106
01:06:41,418 --> 01:06:42,878
A tourist at an earlier show

1107
01:06:43,045 --> 01:06:44,880
said the animal seemed agitated.

1108
01:06:45,047 --> 01:06:48,175
Trainers complained
the whales weren't cooperating.

1109
01:06:48,342 --> 01:06:50,469
The whole show, the main show,

1110
01:06:50,636 --> 01:06:52,513
was a disaster that day.

1111
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,848
There was, you know, whales chasing each other

1112
01:06:55,015 --> 01:06:57,351
and eventually the trainers decided
that they had to stop the show

1113
01:06:57,518 --> 01:06:59,353
because they couldn't
get the whales under control.

1114
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,730
Tilikum was in the back pool

1115
01:07:01,897 --> 01:07:06,735
set up to do a Dine with Shamu
performance with Dawn.

1116
01:07:06,902 --> 01:07:10,322
Likely she saw what had gone on
during the main show

1117
01:07:10,489 --> 01:07:14,034
and so she had probably felt
more pressure to do a good show.

1118
01:07:15,828 --> 01:07:17,663
Yay!

1119
01:07:17,830 --> 01:07:19,790
When you watch the whole video, you can see

1120
01:07:19,957 --> 01:07:22,626
that Tilikum is actually really with Dawn

1121
01:07:22,793 --> 01:07:24,545
in the beginning of the video.

1122
01:07:27,089 --> 01:07:29,717
There's a couple of behaviors
that she asks him to do

1123
01:07:29,883 --> 01:07:31,844
where Tilikum justjumps right in

1124
01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:34,388
and he does exactly what she asks him to do.

1125
01:07:40,644 --> 01:07:42,521
There seemed to be a point in the session

1126
01:07:42,688 --> 01:07:44,982
where things went south, so to speak.

1127
01:07:45,149 --> 01:07:46,692
And in my humble opinion,

1128
01:07:46,859 --> 01:07:50,320
it was at that missed bridge--
whistle bridge,

1129
01:07:50,487 --> 01:07:52,364
on the perimeter pec wave.

1130
01:07:52,531 --> 01:07:55,075
She asked him to do a perimeter pec wave

1131
01:07:55,242 --> 01:07:58,954
where she asked him to basically
go all the way around the pool

1132
01:07:59,121 --> 01:08:00,706
and wave his pectoral flipper.

1133
01:08:03,083 --> 01:08:05,961
And she blows her whistle...

1134
01:08:06,128 --> 01:08:07,629
- There we go.
- ...which is a bridge,

1135
01:08:07,796 --> 01:08:09,840
which tells the animal that, okay,
you've done a good job.

1136
01:08:10,007 --> 01:08:11,133
Come back and get food.

1137
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:13,010
But he missed that cue.

1138
01:08:14,219 --> 01:08:16,555
He likes waving so much.
That's beyond waving.

1139
01:08:16,722 --> 01:08:18,891
And he went all the way around the pool

1140
01:08:19,057 --> 01:08:20,851
on this perimeter pec wave.

1141
01:08:21,018 --> 01:08:22,936
That's all right.
We're going to let him keep on waving.

1142
01:08:24,354 --> 01:08:26,690
My interpretation is that
he didn't hear the whistle.

1143
01:08:26,857 --> 01:08:29,318
So not only did he not hear the bridge,

1144
01:08:29,485 --> 01:08:31,987
then he went and did
a perfect behavior and came back,

1145
01:08:32,154 --> 01:08:35,699
and what he got was what we call
a three-second neutral response,

1146
01:08:35,866 --> 01:08:37,242
which is just a way to let the animal know,

1147
01:08:37,409 --> 01:08:38,827
"No, you didn't do the correct thing.

1148
01:08:38,994 --> 01:08:41,288
You're not going to get rewarded.
And then we're going to move on."

1149
01:08:41,455 --> 01:08:42,831
And then you can also see through the video

1150
01:08:42,998 --> 01:08:45,000
that Dawn is running out of food.

1151
01:08:46,126 --> 01:08:47,669
The animals can sense

1152
01:08:47,836 --> 01:08:49,963
when you're getting to the bottom
of your bucket of fish,

1153
01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:52,341
because they can hear the ice clanging around

1154
01:08:52,508 --> 01:08:54,968
and the kind of fishy, soupy water
at the bottom.

1155
01:08:55,135 --> 01:08:58,722
And the handfuls of fish that
they're getting delivered by the trainer

1156
01:08:58,889 --> 01:09:00,182
are all getting smaller.

1157
01:09:00,349 --> 01:09:03,352
So they know that they're coming down
to the end of session.

1158
01:09:03,519 --> 01:09:05,813
When you see the difference
between the beginning of the video

1159
01:09:05,979 --> 01:09:07,606
and the end of the video, you can see

1160
01:09:07,773 --> 01:09:11,193
that he's just not quite on his game anymore.

1161
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:12,486
There was no food left.

1162
01:09:12,653 --> 01:09:15,447
She kept asking him for more and more behaviors.

1163
01:09:15,614 --> 01:09:17,324
He wasn't getting reinforced for the behaviors

1164
01:09:17,491 --> 01:09:18,617
that he was doing correctly.

1165
01:09:18,784 --> 01:09:21,829
He probably was frustrated towards the end.

1166
01:09:23,622 --> 01:09:26,959
Then she walked around the perimeter of G pool.

1167
01:09:27,125 --> 01:09:28,836
He followed her.

1168
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:36,969
And then continued over
into the rocky ledge area

1169
01:09:37,135 --> 01:09:41,431
where she laid down with him
to do a relationship session,

1170
01:09:41,598 --> 01:09:44,518
which is--
it's quiet time, basically.

1171
01:09:44,685 --> 01:09:47,396
Tilikum at some point
grabbed ahold of her left forearm

1172
01:09:47,563 --> 01:09:50,315
and started to drag her
and eventually did a barrel roll

1173
01:09:50,482 --> 01:09:52,109
and pulled her in.

1174
01:09:52,276 --> 01:09:55,070
It may have started as play or frustration

1175
01:09:55,237 --> 01:09:59,783
and clearly escalated to be
very violent behavior

1176
01:09:59,950 --> 01:10:02,494
that I think was anything but play.

1177
01:10:02,661 --> 01:10:04,997
In the end, he basically

1178
01:10:05,163 --> 01:10:07,374
just completely mutilated that poor girl.

1179
01:10:10,586 --> 01:10:14,756
They were gathering
all of the trainers at the Texas park.

1180
01:10:14,923 --> 01:10:19,052
He said, "There's been an accident

1181
01:10:19,219 --> 01:10:22,180
at the Florida park
and a trainer was killed."

1182
01:10:23,181 --> 01:10:26,435
Hearing that it was Dawn,
I was-- I couldn't believe it.

1183
01:10:26,602 --> 01:10:28,604
I just remember saying to myself, "Not Dawn.

1184
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:30,397
It can't be Dawn."

1185
01:10:30,564 --> 01:10:34,943
He said that--
"And he still has her."

1186
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:37,863
And I just...

1187
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:40,157
was so disturbed by that

1188
01:10:40,324 --> 01:10:44,620
and the reality of how powerless we are.

1189
01:10:44,786 --> 01:10:48,123
Avulsion, laceration, abrasion, fractures.

1190
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:50,792
Fractures and associated hemorrhages.

1191
01:10:50,959 --> 01:10:53,545
Blunt force traumas

1192
01:10:53,712 --> 01:10:56,048
to the main body, to the extremities.

1193
01:10:57,257 --> 01:11:00,761
To see this meted out against a trainer...

1194
01:11:00,928 --> 01:11:03,722
and I cannot fathom the reason.

1195
01:11:03,889 --> 01:11:06,141
It's shocking.

1196
01:11:06,308 --> 01:11:10,145
The lawyer for OSHA asked me
what I thought we'd learned,

1197
01:11:10,312 --> 01:11:11,980
and I'm sitting in the courtroom

1198
01:11:12,147 --> 01:11:16,109
and I've got the Keltie Byrne
case file in one hand

1199
01:11:16,276 --> 01:11:18,028
and I've got Dawn Brancheau in the other.

1200
01:11:18,195 --> 01:11:20,155
And they're almost, to the day, 20 years apart.

1201
01:11:20,322 --> 01:11:22,199
And I'm looking at these two things.

1202
01:11:22,366 --> 01:11:24,868
My only answer is, "Nothing."

1203
01:11:25,035 --> 01:11:27,079
In fact, it's not a damn thing.

1204
01:11:27,245 --> 01:11:28,497
We have not learned a damn thing

1205
01:11:28,664 --> 01:11:31,583
for something like that
to happen 20 years apart.

1206
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:34,544
Could you tell
if it was an accident or if this--

1207
01:11:34,711 --> 01:11:36,838
Did this female trainer
work with this whale on a regular basis?

1208
01:11:37,005 --> 01:11:40,384
I don't know. What apparently happened
is we had a female trainer

1209
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:42,135
back in the whale holding area.

1210
01:11:42,302 --> 01:11:44,596
She apparently slipped or fell into the tank

1211
01:11:44,763 --> 01:11:47,140
and was fatally injured by one of the whales.

1212
01:11:47,307 --> 01:11:49,601
At first, SeaWorld reported
that a trainer slipped

1213
01:11:49,768 --> 01:11:52,145
and fell in the water and was drowned.

1214
01:11:52,312 --> 01:11:53,814
So that was the first report.

1215
01:11:53,981 --> 01:11:56,441
It wasn't until eyewitness
accounts disputed that

1216
01:11:56,608 --> 01:11:57,859
that they had to go back in their huddle

1217
01:11:58,026 --> 01:11:59,778
and say, "Wait a minute.
We gotta come up with a new plan."

1218
01:11:59,945 --> 01:12:01,488
New tonight--
SeaWorld has confirmed

1219
01:12:01,655 --> 01:12:04,241
the killer whale pulled
the woman into the water.

1220
01:12:04,408 --> 01:12:05,951
She didn't fall into the tank

1221
01:12:06,118 --> 01:12:08,578
as the sheriff's department initially reported.

1222
01:12:08,745 --> 01:12:11,873
The new plan is that he grabbed her ponytail.

1223
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,794
This is a subtle way of placing
the blame on Dawn's shoulders.

1224
01:12:15,961 --> 01:12:17,754
She shouldn't have had a long ponytail,

1225
01:12:17,921 --> 01:12:20,507
or if she did have that ponytail,
it should have been up in a bun.

1226
01:12:20,674 --> 01:12:22,926
Dawn, if she was standing here
with me right now,

1227
01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:26,430
would tell you that it was her mistake

1228
01:12:26,596 --> 01:12:28,348
in allowing that to happen.

1229
01:12:28,515 --> 01:12:30,517
They blamed her.

1230
01:12:30,684 --> 01:12:32,686
How dare you?

1231
01:12:32,853 --> 01:12:36,606
How disrespectful for you to blame her

1232
01:12:36,773 --> 01:12:40,110
when she's not even alive to defend herself.

1233
01:12:40,277 --> 01:12:42,487
He grabbed her ponytail
and pulled her into the water.

1234
01:12:42,654 --> 01:12:44,114
That's as simple as it gets.

1235
01:12:44,281 --> 01:12:46,366
There are photographs
of plenty of other trainers

1236
01:12:46,533 --> 01:12:48,326
doing exactly the same thing that she was doing,

1237
01:12:48,493 --> 01:12:52,873
so I knew that SeaWorld was lying
about the fact that this was her fault.

1238
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,752
The ponytail, in all likelihood, is just a tale.

1239
01:12:58,211 --> 01:13:01,965
The safety spotter, who apparently
didn't actually see the takedown,

1240
01:13:02,132 --> 01:13:03,133
came up with that.

1241
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:05,927
- Are you excited?
- Yeah!

1242
01:13:06,094 --> 01:13:07,763
During the spotter's testimony,

1243
01:13:07,929 --> 01:13:10,807
OSHA pushed him to say
that he wasn't really sure

1244
01:13:10,974 --> 01:13:13,268
that it was her ponytail
that was in the whale's mouth,

1245
01:13:13,435 --> 01:13:17,189
that he just saw her underwater
and he assumed it was the ponytail.

1246
01:13:17,355 --> 01:13:19,316
OSHA contends that the whale came up

1247
01:13:19,483 --> 01:13:21,193
and grabbed Dawn Brancheau's arm,

1248
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:23,320
saying that that was another level
of aggressiveness.

1249
01:13:23,487 --> 01:13:26,490
And again, SeaWorld is saying
it was not an aggressive move.

1250
01:13:26,656 --> 01:13:28,784
One of SeaWorld's top curators, Chuck Tompkins,

1251
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:31,078
said when Dawn Brancheau
was pulled off that ledge,

1252
01:13:31,244 --> 01:13:34,289
it wasn't necessarily
aggressive behavior by the whale.

1253
01:13:34,456 --> 01:13:38,043
The initial grab was not an act of aggression.

1254
01:13:38,210 --> 01:13:40,420
This is not a crazed animal.

1255
01:13:40,587 --> 01:13:42,798
The industry has a vested interest
in spinning these

1256
01:13:42,964 --> 01:13:45,425
so that the animals continue to appear

1257
01:13:45,592 --> 01:13:48,970
like cuddly teddy bears
that are completely safe.

1258
01:13:49,137 --> 01:13:50,972
You know, that sells a lot of Shamu dolls,

1259
01:13:51,139 --> 01:13:55,143
it sells a lot of tickets at the gate,
and that's the story line

1260
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:58,355
that they're going to continue
to stick with for as long as they can.

1261
01:14:16,206 --> 01:14:20,836
Recognize that those that say
this is a crazed animal

1262
01:14:21,002 --> 01:14:24,005
that acted out and grabbed Dawn maliciously,

1263
01:14:24,172 --> 01:14:29,553
they want to prove the theorem
that captivity makes animals crazy.

1264
01:14:29,719 --> 01:14:31,346
And that is just false.

1265
01:14:31,513 --> 01:14:33,932
All whales in captivity have a bad life.

1266
01:14:34,099 --> 01:14:35,767
They're all emotionally destroyed.

1267
01:14:35,934 --> 01:14:38,854
They're all psychologically traumatized,

1268
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:41,690
so they are ticking time bombs.

1269
01:14:41,857 --> 01:14:43,233
It's not just Tilikum.

1270
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,819
We have to separate
what happened to Dawn--

1271
01:14:45,986 --> 01:14:49,114
and, as tragic as it is, no one wants
to ever see it happen again.

1272
01:14:49,281 --> 01:14:51,491
Can SeaWorld create an environment

1273
01:14:51,658 --> 01:14:52,951
where it never happens again?

1274
01:14:53,118 --> 01:14:55,162
Yes, I absolutely believe they can.

1275
01:14:58,540 --> 01:15:00,709
What if there were no SeaWorlds?

1276
01:15:00,876 --> 01:15:04,087
I can't imagine a society, with the value we put

1277
01:15:04,254 --> 01:15:06,798
on marine mammals, if those parks didn't exist.

1278
01:15:06,965 --> 01:15:10,635
I'm not at all interested in having my daughter,

1279
01:15:10,802 --> 01:15:12,387
who is three and a half,

1280
01:15:12,554 --> 01:15:15,348
grow up thinking that it's normalized

1281
01:15:15,515 --> 01:15:18,393
to have these intelligent,
highly evolved animals

1282
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:19,728
in concrete pools.

1283
01:15:19,895 --> 01:15:22,439
I don't want her to think
that's how we treat the kin

1284
01:15:22,606 --> 01:15:25,525
that we find ourselves around on this planet.

1285
01:15:25,692 --> 01:15:27,194
I think it's atrocious.

1286
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,945
This hearing is expected to last all week

1287
01:15:29,112 --> 01:15:31,990
with OSHA continuing to work
toward this theory--

1288
01:15:32,157 --> 01:15:35,660
that SeaWorld knew there was
a calculated risk of injury or death,

1289
01:15:35,827 --> 01:15:38,788
but put trainers in the water
with the whales anyway,

1290
01:15:38,955 --> 01:15:41,082
while SeaWorld will say
that Dawn Brancheau's death

1291
01:15:41,249 --> 01:15:43,001
was an isolated incident.

1292
01:15:43,168 --> 01:15:46,129
Reporting live in Seminole County,
Dave McDaniel, WESH 2 News.

1293
01:15:56,223 --> 01:15:57,224
There's something wrong.

1294
01:15:57,390 --> 01:16:02,395
You know with Tilikum that
there's something wrong and that's--

1295
01:16:02,562 --> 01:16:05,732
when you have a relationship
with that animal and you--

1296
01:16:07,192 --> 01:16:11,571
you understand that he's killing
not to be a savage.

1297
01:16:11,738 --> 01:16:14,407
He's not killing because he's just crazy.

1298
01:16:14,574 --> 01:16:17,410
He's not killing because
he doesn't know what he's doing.

1299
01:16:17,577 --> 01:16:19,246
He's killing because he's frustrated

1300
01:16:19,412 --> 01:16:25,001
and he's got aggravations
and he doesn't know how to--

1301
01:16:25,168 --> 01:16:27,295
he has no outlet for it.

1302
01:16:28,380 --> 01:16:31,091
Now Tilikum is spending
a great deal of time by himself

1303
01:16:31,258 --> 01:16:35,095
and basically floating lifeless in a pool.

1304
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,057
Three hours now...

1305
01:16:39,224 --> 01:16:41,184
and he hasn't moved.

1306
01:16:42,394 --> 01:16:44,104
They try to sugarcoat it by saying,

1307
01:16:44,271 --> 01:16:45,855
"He comes out in the front pool
every once in a while.

1308
01:16:46,022 --> 01:16:47,315
Now he's doing shows."

1309
01:16:47,482 --> 01:16:48,483
Really? You know
what he does in a show?

1310
01:16:50,068 --> 01:16:51,778
He does a few bows

1311
01:16:51,945 --> 01:16:55,490
and then he goes back in his little jail cell.

1312
01:16:55,657 --> 01:16:56,950
That's his life.

1313
01:16:59,035 --> 01:17:01,204
I feel sad for Tilikum.

1314
01:17:01,371 --> 01:17:04,416
A regal thing like him swimming around the tank

1315
01:17:04,582 --> 01:17:06,376
with his fin flopped over like that

1316
01:17:06,543 --> 01:17:09,587
compared to a wild bull killer whale that size,

1317
01:17:09,754 --> 01:17:12,257
which is one of the most kinetic
and dynamic things

1318
01:17:12,424 --> 01:17:13,967
you can imagine...

1319
01:17:16,428 --> 01:17:18,763
I feel sad when I see him.

1320
01:17:25,312 --> 01:17:27,063
It's time to stop the shows.

1321
01:17:27,230 --> 01:17:29,566
It's time to stop forcing animals to perform

1322
01:17:29,733 --> 01:17:31,484
in basically a circus environment.

1323
01:17:31,651 --> 01:17:33,570
And they should release the animals
that are young enough

1324
01:17:33,737 --> 01:17:36,656
and healthy enough to be released,
and the animals like Tilikum

1325
01:17:36,823 --> 01:17:39,617
who are old and sick and have put in
25 years in the industry

1326
01:17:39,784 --> 01:17:41,202
should be released to an open ocean pen

1327
01:17:41,369 --> 01:17:42,579
so they can live out their lives

1328
01:17:42,746 --> 01:17:44,748
and just experience
the natural rhythms of the ocean.

1329
01:17:44,914 --> 01:17:46,708
This is a multibillion-dollar
corporation

1330
01:17:46,875 --> 01:17:50,712
that makes its money
through the exploitation of orcas.

1331
01:17:50,879 --> 01:17:53,214
They're not suitable to have in captivity.

1332
01:17:53,381 --> 01:17:55,592
The whales are really bored.

1333
01:17:55,759 --> 01:18:00,013
You deprive them of all
this environmental stimulation.

1334
01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:02,140
I think that in 50 years,

1335
01:18:02,307 --> 01:18:05,101
we'll look back and go,
"My God, what a barbaric time."

1336
01:18:45,892 --> 01:18:48,520
Dawn Brancheau--
DB, dream big.

1337
01:18:49,521 --> 01:18:53,066
Dawn was the most loving,
giving person you ever met.

1338
01:18:53,233 --> 01:18:56,486
Her smile just radiated.

1339
01:19:05,203 --> 01:19:07,831
She's comp-- she fulfilled her life.

1340
01:19:56,254 --> 01:19:57,922
We saw whales

1341
01:19:58,089 --> 01:20:01,843
swimming in straight lines
with straight dorsal fins.

1342
01:20:03,219 --> 01:20:05,680
I was so honored to be there.

1343
01:20:11,144 --> 01:20:13,563
And I was so thankful that I had sunglasses on

1344
01:20:13,730 --> 01:20:16,983
because the tears were kind of coming out.

1345
01:20:17,150 --> 01:20:19,819
And it was moving.