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This is it.

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l'm standing on the very spot

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where many Christians believe
the world will come to an end.

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lt's called Megiddo.

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And it's the place that
the Book of Revelation says

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Jesus Christ
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to end the world and save
the people who believe in him.

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Now when Revelations
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only God had the capacity
to end the world,

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but now man does too,
because unfortunately,

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before man figured out
how to be rational

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or peaceful, he figured out
nuclear weapons

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and how to pollute
on a catastrophic scale.

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And if it's one thing
l hate more than prophecy,

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it's self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Sometimes in your search
for happiness,

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you ponder the meaning
of your life.

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Who am l?
How did l come to be?

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Death, and then what?

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l certainly honestly believe

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religion is detrimental

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to the progress
of humanity.

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You know, it's just selling
an invisible product.

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lt's too easy.

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These questions
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they so freak people out

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that they will
just make up any story

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and cling to it.

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You know, things that they know

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can't be true,
people who are otherwise

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so rational about everything else,

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and then they believe that

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on Sunday
they're drinking the blood

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of a 2,000-year-old God.

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l can't--
that's a dissonance in my head.

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l can't-- l have to find out.

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l just have to find out.
l have to try.

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This is the Mount of Olives.
This is Jesus's footprints.

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We're here freezing our ass off.

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ls there anybody on the stage that

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- does not believe in evolution?
- Yeah.

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Hurry hurry hurry.

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- l like my hat.
- You look good too.

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Welcome to Bible Country!

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''Birthplace of the Virgin Mary''?

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l believe that God wants
everybody to be free.

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That's what l believe,

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and that's one part
of my foreign policy.

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Bill, watch out.

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Boy, do l feel cheap.

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l want to thank God
for just blessing me so much.

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Music has been
a blessing from God.

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Thank you, Jesus!

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You need a Holy Ghost enema
right up your rear end!

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The archives are there on the fifth
floor where you see the curtains.

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Yeah, put that away now.
Put that away.

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lf you look at my stand-up

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from like the '80s-- that era--

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early '90s,

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l talked about religion,
but l'm not ever questioning God.

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l'm just making fun
about things

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in the religion--
circumcision.

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Circumcision--
l mean, l would've loved

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to have been there for
the first people to hear about this.

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We're used to it now,
but you know, l mean,

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l'm sure when Moses came
down with this idea,

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there had to be one guy going,

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''Let me get this straight.''

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lt was just
a gentle poking fun at Him.

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lt's almost like
l'm roasting Him.

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My mother is Jewish and my father
is Catholic. That is the truth.

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l was raised Catholic formally,

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although l must say
the Jewish mind comes out

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even in the Catholic system.
l'll give you an example.

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We used to go into confession

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and l would bring
a lawyer in with me.

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You know.

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Bless me, Father,
for l have sinned.

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l think you know Mr. Cohen.

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So let me get out some pictures.

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There's me.

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We weren't brought up Jewish.

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l didn't even know
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so it was very Catholic.

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We went to church
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but l wouldn't take off the gun

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and really when l think back,

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it wasn't relevant
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Superman was relevant
and baseball.

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We had this family

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where one person
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and the other three
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Now there it says
''A Sunday noon, fall '66,''

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so we must've
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'cause l'm in a red suit

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and you're choking the dog.

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And l guess we got home from church
and took a picture with you.

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lt never occurred to me to say,

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''Why didn't you go to church?''

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Mom...

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what church do we belong to?

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l don't remember
this ever coming up.

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Of course you didn't go
to church with us.

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No, we never had a family
discussion about it, never.

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We never had
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Every family is dysfunctional.

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So you thought even this,
which wasn't your religion,

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was better than no religion.

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Well, even this only
told you good things...

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l thought.

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But it's just so shamelessly
invented as they go along.

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- We can say that now.
- Was anyone--

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When we quit
the church, l was 1 3,

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and l was of course thrilled,
but not for any ideological reason.

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l was just thrilled
'cause l hated church.

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lt scared me.
lt was boring.

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l had to get up
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l was 1 3.

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l would've worshiped anything
that could've allowed me

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to masturbate even more
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or get a girl. That god l would have
definitely worshipped.

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Why do you remember

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Dad stopped going to church?

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We used birth control,

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and the church frowned
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That was the biggest sin

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- you could ever commit.
- Right, that would--

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l think that was possibly--
he never said it to me.

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And he never went back.
None of us ever did.

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So now that we don't believe,

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where did--

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Nobody said we don't believe.

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We don't believe in Catholicism.

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Right, but what do
we believe in now?

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Come on.
You're my mother, instruct me.

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l don't know
the answer to that.

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That's my answer.

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We'll take some back roads to see

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- some interesting stuff out here.
- Take some back roads.

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We are heading toward Raleigh, right?

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Oh, yeah, man, can't you feel it?

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Do l stand up here?
So as l was going here,

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l just jotted down
a few questions that came to my mind.

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Are you ever bothered
by many things

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that are in Christianity
that are not in the Bible?

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Like original sin.

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lmmaculate conception.

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The virgin birth is only
in two of the Gospels-- popes.

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Are you worried that these things
came not from the founders,

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the people that wrote
this book, but from--

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and this is indisputable--
but from men,

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from human beings
who came after?

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And when l say men,
l mean people with penises.

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lf you wanna go back
to scientific proof,

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l think it was determined
the shroud or whatever that was

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went around a while back--
l didn't get involved.

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- Shroud of Turin?
- They took blood samples from it,

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and it was female blood
with a male figure.

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Okay, the only possible way
that could happen was

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that the Holy Ghost
impregnated Mary

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because it would've
been female blood

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because it would've been
the only blood flowing through her.

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- lt's a faith thing.
- But why is faith good?

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Why is believing something
without evidence good?

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l don't like the way
this thing's going.

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l don't know what
this documentary's supposed to be,

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but l don't like
where you're going.

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You start disputing my God,

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and you got a problem.
l don't know what you--

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l'm outta here. You do what
you wanna do, but l'm outta here.

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- l'm just asking questions.
- Okay, no problem.

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When l've seen what l've seen,
l know there's a God.

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You can't change my mind.
Nobody can change my mind.

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l walked for 30 years
as a Satanist priest.

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From the time l grew up,
l was in Satanism.

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For the last six years,
that l was into Satanism,

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l was a Satanist priest, okay?

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- Real Satanism?
- Yes, real Satanism.

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Being addicted to drugs,
and running prostitutes

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and the women
and everything that goes with that.

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l walked around with rolls
of money in my pocket.

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l gave all that up
when l got saved.

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When the guy said,
''Yeah, l used to do drugs.

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l used to have women,''
and l'm thinking,

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- ''And your problem was?''
- Right.

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Let me ask you this question:

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What if we're right
and you're wrong?

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We gonna make it
and you ain't.

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lf you're being good
just to save your ass

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just because,
''Ooh, they might be right

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and l just want
to double down here

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and make sure that
when l get up to the pearly gates,

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that St. Peter doesn't say to me,

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'Sorry, asshole,
you had the wrong religion.

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Enjoy Hell, buh-bye.'''

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That's not a good reason,
and you know that.

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Come on, believe in Jesus.
What do you have to lose?

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lt's like the lotto.

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You can't get saved
if you don't play.

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Yeah, you could be right.
l don't think it's very likely,

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but, yes, you could be right,
because my big thing is l don't know.

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That's what l preach.

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l preach the gospel
of l don't know!

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l mean that's what
l'm here promoting-- doubt.

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- That's my product.
- Right.

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The other guys are
selling certainty, not me.

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l'm on the corner
with doubt.

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So, Dr. Collins,

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you are a brilliant
brilliant scientist,

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the head
of the Human Genome Project.

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Now here's what's
so puzzling is that you are

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the one scientist--

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the one famous scientist anyway--

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who's also religious.
Explain that to me.

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l would argue that
if you look at the evidence,

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the historical evidence
of Christ's existence is overwhelming.

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What evidence?

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l mean, l've never even heard
anyone propose that there's evidence.

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There's been proof
that there's a Jesus.

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- That's been proven.
- That hasn't been proven.

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How you figure that one?

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When l read the New Testament,

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it reads to me
as the record of eyewitnesses

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who put down what they saw.

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You know
they weren't eyewitnesses.

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- They were close to that.
- No.

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Within a couple
of decades of eyewitnesses.

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- Okay.
- Would that stand up in a laboratory

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as absolute foolproof evidence

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that something happened?

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You are setting up
a standard for proof

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that l think would really be
an almost impossible standard to meet.

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No gospel tells us what he was
doing when he was a young man.

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You know,
we see Jesus as an infant

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and then we kind of pick up
the story when he's 30.

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l think Jesus was probably
an awkward teenager--

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big Jewfro,
bad at sports.

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Here l am!

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The records we have
are all gospels.

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Gospels are not history.

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Gospel writers never met Jesus,
neither did St. Paul.

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No one who wrote
about Jesus ever met him.

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How can you go back
into the prophets

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and the prophets specifically
specifies that certain things--

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Well, first of all,

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the New Testament came after
the Old Testament. We agree to that?

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l agree to that,
but that doesn't mean anything.

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All it means is the people that
wrote the New Testament

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read the Old Testament
and then made the prophesies fit.

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They can't make it fit
if something didn't happen.

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Of course they can.

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Then you're saying
the Bible is fictitious?

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- l am.
- Can't be.

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l am.

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We do all know that
those texts don't match.

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Yeah, sure.
Would you expect them to?

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l'm surprised that things
that are very important to the story

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like the virgin birth
isn't in all four of them.

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Wouldn't you really expect
that kind of discordance when you're

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thinking about the way in which
these documents came into being?

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But you'd think if you were
one of Christ's biographers,

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that would be sort
of an important thing not to leave out.

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Oh, God,
he was also born of a virgin.

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They don't notice the virgin birth.

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You know, l think that is something
if you were any sort of reporter

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you'd put into the story.

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What editor looks at the facts and goes,
''Yeah, but take out the thing

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about the virgin birth.
That's not interesting.''

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l think being without faith

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is something that's a luxury

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for people who were
fortunate enough

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to have a fortunate life.

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You know, you go to prison

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and you hear a guy say,
''You know what, buddy?

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l got nothing but Jesus in here.''

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l completely understand that.

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l think not having faith
is a luxury sometimes.

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lf you're in a foxhole,
you probably have a lot of faith, right?

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- Mm-hmm.
- So l get that.

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But you guys aren't dumb.
You're smart people.

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How can smart people--

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how can they believe
in the talking snake,

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people living to 900 years old
and the virgin birth?

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And you know,
that's my question.

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You guys have
your own questions.

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Pray for me.

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Father, in the name of Jesus
and by the power of the Holy Spirit,

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we ask right now, Lord,
as we lift up Bill to You, Father,

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that You can answer his questions
that we can't answer.

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Father, we thank You
right now for the opportunity

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that has come today,

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that we may voice
our opinions and hear others.

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So we ask You, Lord, to touch

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and feel wisdom right now
in the name of Jesus.

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And we thank You for it
in Jesus's name, amen.

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Thank you for being Christlike,
and not just Christian.

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Okay. Hey, my wallet!

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No, l'm kidding.

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You see so many nice people
trying to make it about

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something good

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and yet it turns
into not just corrupt,

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but, like, fucking-little-kids corrupt

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and burning-people-alive cor--

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l mean, really evil shit.

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l'd like to see 10,000 people

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give $10,000.

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Write your biggest check
and send it in.

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We got people on welfare that's got
enough faith to make a $1,000 vow

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- and paying it!
- l want to be in the green, Lord!

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What l'm about
to say is revelation.

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l got it on DVD.
And l have it on DVD.

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And you need to get this. Hallelujah!

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Hallelujah!

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Reverend.
ls that what l call you?

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No, just call me... doctor.

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- Doctor?
- Yeah.

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All right, Doc. First of all,
l have to tell you, when l heard that

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you were in Harold Melvin
and the Blue Notes,

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l was like, ''That's my man.''

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And it's funny,
because that lyric

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can be interpreted religiously.

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''lf you don't know me
by now.'' Right?

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l mean, you must've thought of that.

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The song did go platinum.

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Teddy Pendergrass,
who led the song,

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he was ordained a minister
when he was 10 years old.

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What do you think
it says about religion

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and how serious it is

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if you can be a minister
when you're 10?

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But there is a comparison
to be made between

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musical stars, rock stars

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and religious figures.
They very often both dress

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- in elaborate costumes...
- Mm-hmm.

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...that get people's attention.

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People in a congregation

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must know that
the outfit was financed

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by their donations,
and it doesn't seem to bother them.

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l always dress well.

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l see! Are those gators?

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Those are lizards.

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- Lizards?
- Yes.

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- What do they run?
- They don't run. They crawl.

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And l see you got a lot of bling.

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l like gold.
The people want you to look well.

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That's what pimps say
about their women.

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l was told by one of the greatest pimps
that ever lived--

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his name is called God--

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that if you know what you got,

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then you ain't got much.

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Jesus dressed very well.

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Oh, come on.

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- Where is the Biblical evidence?
- Wait a minute.

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When he was born,
they brought him gold.

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They brought him gold.
He was not poor.

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So my image of Jesus as a man

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who championed the poor
and walked around

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in simple garb, that's wrong?

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lt was linen.
lt was fine linen.

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- Really?
- Yeah.

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But Jesus constantly preaches
against rich people.

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The Bible does not speak
against being rich.

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- Jesus does. Very plainly.
- No no.

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Jesus was very
very against the rich.

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He never preached against being poor.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for--

364
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No, he preached
against being rich.

365
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No no no, he said that
it's better for a rich man--

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than a rich man to enter--

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lt is easier for a camel to go
through the eye of a needle

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than for a rich man
to enter the Kingdom.

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Okay, but now things
like houses and cars

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and clothes and money,

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they come as a result

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of my seeking God first.

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l don't remember that

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in the New Testament specifically.

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But it's there. l remember it.

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The houses, the cars

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and the clothes, they'll come.

378
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Yeah, money comes,
money happens, you know.

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Well, money happens for you
because they're giving it up to you.

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You're not giving it up to them.

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Let me set the record straight.

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l do not receive
a salary from the church.

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l do not take a salary
from the church.

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- You take it right out of the pot.
- No no no.

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lt's such a powerful position.

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l mean, you hold people's

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greatest hopes and dreams
in the palm of your hand, really.

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00:19:00,186 --> 00:19:03,019
Certainly, some of the young women
must get a crush on you.

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Probably. l would too
if l was out there.

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lf l was a woman, l'd probably
have a crush on me, too.

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That's keepin' it real.

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00:19:13,966 --> 00:19:17,663
Now l can advise other young men
about women, because l've been there.

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00:19:17,703 --> 00:19:20,399
l had a young man who was
about to go crazy over a woman.

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He was about
to kill himself, you know?

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l said, ''That kind of passion,
you should have for God.''

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l said, ''Turn that to God
and see what happens.''

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St. Paul, for example,
whom l know you compare yourself to.

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People do.

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00:19:37,389 --> 00:19:40,187
But he famously
only wore on his back

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the clothes that he owned.

401
00:19:42,661 --> 00:19:44,288
- Should l assume that this is--
- He was always on the run.

402
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:47,993
This is your only $2,000 suit?

403
00:19:48,033 --> 00:19:50,092
The gentleman who made
this suit for me

404
00:19:50,135 --> 00:19:52,194
owns a clothing store.

405
00:19:52,238 --> 00:19:54,468
Mr. Kane, you in the house?

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00:19:54,507 --> 00:19:57,271
The prices that l get
my clothes for--

407
00:19:57,309 --> 00:20:00,107
- you know, l'm blessed in that area.
- Yes, you are.

408
00:20:00,145 --> 00:20:03,876
l'm more blessed than
l've ever been all the days of my life.

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00:20:03,916 --> 00:20:07,147
And the owner is a Muslim,
which-- l came out of lslam.

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00:20:07,186 --> 00:20:10,917
l know, l think it's very interesting
that you're a Christian now,

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00:20:10,956 --> 00:20:13,424
you were a Muslim
and when you get your clothes,

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you buy them like a Jew.

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00:20:17,196 --> 00:20:19,687
And action!

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That's right-- behind me and above me
is the original Twin Cities,

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Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Apparently, it was
a pretty wicked place.

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How wicked?

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00:20:27,873 --> 00:20:30,341
Well let's just say that
what happened in Gomorrah,

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stayed in Gomorrah.

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That is until God got wind of it,

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so he sent two angels
to investigate.

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Now the angels went to the house

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of the one godly man in town-- Lot.

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And the townspeople tried
to rape them.

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Now Lot,

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not wanting his town
to get the reputation

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as the kind of place
that would rape angels,

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offered up to the mob
his own daughters to rape.

429
00:21:01,574 --> 00:21:04,099
And he was
the good guy in town.

430
00:21:04,143 --> 00:21:06,202
Which brings me
to this question:

431
00:21:06,245 --> 00:21:09,510
lf l ever had to swear an oath,

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00:21:09,548 --> 00:21:11,516
why would l want to put my hand

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00:21:11,550 --> 00:21:14,576
on the King James Bible?

434
00:21:14,620 --> 00:21:17,783
l think l could find more morality
in the Rick James Bible.

435
00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:23,255
God hates fags.

436
00:21:23,295 --> 00:21:26,958
The Constitution does not
grant to homosexuals

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00:21:26,999 --> 00:21:28,694
the right to perform sodomy.

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00:21:28,734 --> 00:21:30,895
- l'm a monk.
- A monk.

439
00:21:30,936 --> 00:21:32,597
Franciscan.

440
00:21:32,638 --> 00:21:34,606
What do you think
of homosexuality?

441
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,972
Do you think that's--
the Bible is against it.

442
00:21:37,009 --> 00:21:38,601
No, the Bible is not against it.

443
00:21:38,644 --> 00:21:40,612
The Bible's not
against homosexuality?

444
00:21:40,646 --> 00:21:43,672
lf you are born homosexual,
you are to stay there.

445
00:21:43,716 --> 00:21:46,310
- You have to be happy.
- But that's what the Bible says?

446
00:21:46,352 --> 00:21:48,980
What the Bible means to say, yeah.

447
00:21:49,021 --> 00:21:50,886
Oh, what the Bible means to say!

448
00:21:50,923 --> 00:21:52,982
Now that's a good book.

449
00:21:53,025 --> 00:21:55,118
lt preaches the rock-solid truth.

450
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,650
You are faggots!

451
00:21:56,695 --> 00:22:00,062
l don't hate them.
God hates them.

452
00:22:00,099 --> 00:22:02,932
- Hey, Bill.
- How are you? Nice to meet you.

453
00:22:02,968 --> 00:22:05,835
Okay. Okay.

454
00:22:05,871 --> 00:22:09,307
So of course, the reason
why we're here is because you're--

455
00:22:09,341 --> 00:22:11,809
l guess we would say, ex-gay.

456
00:22:11,844 --> 00:22:13,778
You used to be gay

457
00:22:13,812 --> 00:22:16,610
and then you married someone
who used to be a lesbian.

458
00:22:16,649 --> 00:22:19,709
And you have three children,
and l guess the jury's out on them.

459
00:22:21,787 --> 00:22:25,314
Okay, and would you say
it's just like any other marriage

460
00:22:25,357 --> 00:22:27,518
of 14 years--
you never have sex?

461
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:29,823
Oh, funny. Ha ha. Got that.

462
00:22:29,862 --> 00:22:33,491
l don't classify myself
as ex-gay, you know?

463
00:22:33,532 --> 00:22:35,830
l'm a heterosexual guy
who dealt

464
00:22:35,868 --> 00:22:39,429
with some homosexuality.

465
00:22:39,471 --> 00:22:42,565
Okay, so the people
who come here are people

466
00:22:42,608 --> 00:22:44,508
who are wanting to do what you did.

467
00:22:44,543 --> 00:22:48,502
They want to reform their life
and lead a heterosexual life.

468
00:22:48,547 --> 00:22:51,641
But l will be honest with you.
The reality's a lot of people come here

469
00:22:51,684 --> 00:22:54,619
and go right back
into whatever they came from.

470
00:22:54,653 --> 00:22:57,679
- Because they're gay!
- l believe that it's sin.

471
00:22:57,723 --> 00:23:01,523
Excuse me, but don't you have it,
no pun intended, ass-backwards?

472
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,221
Meaning?

473
00:23:03,262 --> 00:23:05,958
Meaning homosexuality

474
00:23:05,998 --> 00:23:08,466
is something that occurs in nature.

475
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:11,298
l was out bird watching,
but l'd rather watch you.

476
00:23:11,336 --> 00:23:12,894
Why don't you come over
and get some?

477
00:23:12,938 --> 00:23:16,203
Man is who wrote
the Bible.

478
00:23:16,241 --> 00:23:18,471
Nature made gay people.

479
00:23:18,510 --> 00:23:21,206
Nobody's born gay.
There's no scientific or--

480
00:23:21,246 --> 00:23:23,874
Really? Have you ever met
Little Richard?

481
00:23:23,916 --> 00:23:26,510
We can look at creation and say,
''What's the normal order?''

482
00:23:26,552 --> 00:23:28,713
A man has a penis.
A woman has a vagina.

483
00:23:28,754 --> 00:23:30,381
Let's just be blunt.

484
00:23:30,422 --> 00:23:32,720
There's no scientific
data that proves

485
00:23:32,758 --> 00:23:35,192
that anyone is--
there's no gay gene.

486
00:23:35,227 --> 00:23:37,024
And you also discovered
the gay gene?

487
00:23:37,062 --> 00:23:38,825
Yes.

488
00:23:38,864 --> 00:23:41,162
This is all coming from the Bible
which you believe...

489
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,691
- Right.
- ...to be the word of God.

490
00:23:43,736 --> 00:23:45,966
- l do.
- All of the proscriptions

491
00:23:46,004 --> 00:23:49,565
against homosexuality come
from the Old Testament.

492
00:23:49,608 --> 00:23:52,042
Jesus never said a word
about homosexuality.

493
00:23:52,077 --> 00:23:54,272
And if it's so important,
why didn't he ever bring it up?

494
00:23:54,313 --> 00:23:57,146
We could pick lots of little things

495
00:23:57,182 --> 00:23:59,150
that he didn't
specifically talk about.

496
00:23:59,184 --> 00:24:02,950
- But this is a big thing.
- Let me stop this whole thing.

497
00:24:02,988 --> 00:24:05,923
You know, l'm not sure what
your documentary is about,

498
00:24:05,958 --> 00:24:09,917
but if it's to basically refute
the word of God,

499
00:24:09,962 --> 00:24:12,863
then l'm not interested
in doing your interview, okay?

500
00:24:12,898 --> 00:24:15,298
- Well, l--
- l think that

501
00:24:15,334 --> 00:24:17,393
obviously you don't have
the same relationship

502
00:24:17,436 --> 00:24:19,404
with Jesus Christ that l do.

503
00:24:19,438 --> 00:24:23,238
But what is your explanation
for the millions and millions of people

504
00:24:23,275 --> 00:24:24,867
around the world who are

505
00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:27,071
- leading homosexual lives...
- Well, it's not millions.

506
00:24:27,112 --> 00:24:31,071
...have no interest in anyone
of the opposite sex?

507
00:24:31,116 --> 00:24:33,641
Are they all faking
just to piss off Jesus?

508
00:24:33,685 --> 00:24:36,085
They didn't choose this.
They didn't desire it.

509
00:24:36,121 --> 00:24:37,611
Right, they were born gay.

510
00:24:37,656 --> 00:24:39,590
No, they weren't born that way.

511
00:24:39,625 --> 00:24:42,788
lt's because of the insecurity
within theirselves.

512
00:24:42,828 --> 00:24:46,389
lt takes a lot of security to walk out
of the house with assless chaps.

513
00:24:46,431 --> 00:24:49,832
- They're not happy, most of them.
- They're called gay.

514
00:24:49,868 --> 00:24:51,426
They took the word.

515
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:53,597
Some of them look positively thrilled.

516
00:24:59,278 --> 00:25:01,838
No, they are people who
are really not complete

517
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,472
in who they are
as men or women.

518
00:25:03,515 --> 00:25:06,450
That's a pretty big judgment
for a Christian.

519
00:25:06,485 --> 00:25:08,453
- lt's not a judgment.
- That's not a judgment?

520
00:25:08,487 --> 00:25:10,785
That you are sitting here
telling these people

521
00:25:10,823 --> 00:25:13,383
who you don't even know
that they're incomplete

522
00:25:13,425 --> 00:25:14,915
because they're not like you?

523
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,588
l mean, it's not the people you suspect

524
00:25:17,629 --> 00:25:19,187
that are gay, that are gay.

525
00:25:19,231 --> 00:25:21,825
People like
the Reverend Ted Haggard...

526
00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,165
Moral purity is better than immorality.

527
00:25:24,203 --> 00:25:27,661
...who kept meeting
homosexual prostitutes in a hotel room

528
00:25:27,706 --> 00:25:31,267
and having gay sex with speed.

529
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:34,108
Evangelicals have the best
sex life of any other group.

530
00:25:35,881 --> 00:25:38,008
- Good Morning, Duane!
- But he wasn't gay?

531
00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:39,950
l already answered that.

532
00:25:39,985 --> 00:25:42,112
l don't believe that
anybody is gay.

533
00:25:42,154 --> 00:25:44,918
l don't know,
but honestly, if l just saw you

534
00:25:44,957 --> 00:25:48,620
in a bar or something, l would say--
and don't take this the wrong way--

535
00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:50,890
l would say, ''Yeah,
l think that guy is gay.''

536
00:25:50,929 --> 00:25:54,126
You're good looking.
You're neat, you know.

537
00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:56,828
- You don't look like me.
- Meaning?

538
00:25:56,869 --> 00:25:58,564
Meaning...

539
00:26:21,293 --> 00:26:23,227
- All right, thank you.
- Can l give you a hug?

540
00:26:23,262 --> 00:26:24,524
- Yes!
- l hug everybody,

541
00:26:24,563 --> 00:26:25,757
so can l give you a hug?

542
00:26:27,366 --> 00:26:29,334
- Thanks.
- Thank you very much.

543
00:26:29,368 --> 00:26:31,336
Hey, you didn't have
a hard-on there, did you?

544
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:34,305
Nope, sorry. Can't do that.

545
00:26:36,141 --> 00:26:38,609
That was good, though.

546
00:26:38,644 --> 00:26:42,011
When l was 17,
my first girlfriend dumped me,

547
00:26:42,047 --> 00:26:45,380
and l was sad in a way
l'd never been sad.

548
00:26:45,417 --> 00:26:48,250
You know,
your first dumping is the worst.

549
00:26:48,287 --> 00:26:50,551
And at that point,
you're very vulnerable

550
00:26:50,589 --> 00:26:53,649
to any sort of connection

551
00:26:53,692 --> 00:26:55,523
with, you know--

552
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,120
l didn't get like Jesus-religious,

553
00:26:58,163 --> 00:27:00,597
but l did think a force out there

554
00:27:00,632 --> 00:27:03,897
was communicating to me
through song lyrics or--

555
00:27:03,936 --> 00:27:07,303
numerology l was
very interested in for a while.

556
00:27:07,339 --> 00:27:11,207
You said you were groping
for something at that time.

557
00:27:11,243 --> 00:27:13,677
You know, you make up
an imaginary friend who loves you,

558
00:27:13,712 --> 00:27:16,078
is sympathetic to you
and has a plan for you.

559
00:27:16,114 --> 00:27:19,481
lt's much more important.
He didn't have to love me, God,

560
00:27:19,518 --> 00:27:21,486
He just had
to be working for me.

561
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,044
You know, He's like an agent.

562
00:27:23,088 --> 00:27:25,784
So you are an ex-Jew for Jesus.

563
00:27:25,824 --> 00:27:27,291
That is correct.

564
00:27:27,326 --> 00:27:31,228
Now what made you to decide
to be a follower of Christ?

565
00:27:31,263 --> 00:27:33,561
What brought Christ
into your life?

566
00:27:33,598 --> 00:27:36,829
Back in '75,

567
00:27:36,868 --> 00:27:38,893
l went to Michigan
State University.

568
00:27:38,937 --> 00:27:42,338
- $2,700?
- Yeah, it's pricey.

569
00:27:42,374 --> 00:27:45,070
Boy, l wonder what Madonna
without the child runs you.

570
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:47,772
So getting back to my story,
l could ask God

571
00:27:47,813 --> 00:27:50,680
to do things in the name
of Jesus and they would happen.

572
00:27:50,716 --> 00:27:54,083
So l can't even recall
all the little miracles He did,

573
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,520
but He proved to me that
He was real and He was there.

574
00:27:57,556 --> 00:28:00,286
They were so miraculous
and you can't remember what they were?

575
00:28:00,325 --> 00:28:01,952
There were so many of them
and they were little things.

576
00:28:01,994 --> 00:28:04,792
- Give me an example.
- One example l can remember was

577
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:06,092
l was at a party.

578
00:28:06,131 --> 00:28:08,793
There was a guy who was working
with Jews for Jesus,

579
00:28:08,834 --> 00:28:12,133
and l asked him,
''Can l get a drink of water?''

580
00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:15,037
And he says,
''You know what? Here's a glass,

581
00:28:15,073 --> 00:28:16,973
stick your hand out the window
and pray for rain.''

582
00:28:18,343 --> 00:28:19,833
l didn't like the attitude.

583
00:28:19,878 --> 00:28:21,402
l said okay,

584
00:28:21,446 --> 00:28:24,574
and l stuck my hand out the window
and it started pouring rain.

585
00:28:24,616 --> 00:28:28,347
Pouring so bad that people
couldn't leave the party.

586
00:28:28,387 --> 00:28:30,617
To me, that's a miracle.
You don't have to believe it,

587
00:28:30,655 --> 00:28:33,783
- but l know between me and God--
- lt is pretty lame.

588
00:28:33,825 --> 00:28:36,589
- But you asked.
- l asked, but l'm just saying

589
00:28:36,628 --> 00:28:39,563
- that's my reaction to your answer.
- But that's just one of many things.

590
00:28:39,598 --> 00:28:41,657
l live a life of miracles.

591
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:45,568
No, you live your life with the same
sort of mundane coincidences

592
00:28:45,604 --> 00:28:47,435
that happen to everybody
in the world.

593
00:28:47,472 --> 00:28:51,272
lt's not like,
you know, if it rained frogs,

594
00:28:51,309 --> 00:28:52,936
l would say you had a point.

595
00:28:52,978 --> 00:28:54,946
But it rains, and it stops raining.

596
00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:57,141
Well, when was the last time
you asked for rain

597
00:28:57,182 --> 00:28:58,774
and it starting raining
within 10 seconds?

598
00:28:58,817 --> 00:29:00,614
l don't know.
l don't ever ask for rain.

599
00:29:00,652 --> 00:29:02,916
But if l asked for it really bad
and it started to rain,

600
00:29:02,954 --> 00:29:04,444
l wouldn't think it was
because l asked for it.

601
00:29:04,489 --> 00:29:06,889
l would think
because it sometimes rains.

602
00:29:06,925 --> 00:29:09,416
God is not that busy

603
00:29:09,461 --> 00:29:11,520
where He can't spend time
listening to you

604
00:29:11,563 --> 00:29:13,394
when you really want
to talk to Him, anytime.

605
00:29:13,432 --> 00:29:15,992
lf Santa Claus can hit
every house in the world

606
00:29:16,034 --> 00:29:18,161
- in one night--
- l don't believe in Santa Claus.

607
00:29:18,203 --> 00:29:21,138
Of course not, that's ridiculous.
That's one man flying

608
00:29:21,173 --> 00:29:23,733
all around the world and dropping
presents down a chimney.

609
00:29:23,775 --> 00:29:26,539
That's ridiculous.
One man hearing everybody murmur

610
00:29:26,578 --> 00:29:28,944
to him at the same time, that l get.

611
00:29:30,682 --> 00:29:33,048
And you know what else
was very confusing to me?

612
00:29:33,085 --> 00:29:35,076
l remember vividly

613
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,021
was Santa Claus

614
00:29:38,056 --> 00:29:40,923
- and Jesus.
- You were so mad at us.

615
00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:43,951
- Oh, yes.
- So mad at you, why? Oh, when--

616
00:29:43,995 --> 00:29:47,055
When you realized there
was no Santa Claus.

617
00:29:47,099 --> 00:29:49,829
And then when l found out
there was no Jesus,

618
00:29:49,868 --> 00:29:52,359
boy, was l pissed.

619
00:29:52,404 --> 00:29:54,964
You spoke before in certitude.

620
00:29:55,006 --> 00:29:57,031
You're 100% sure
that after you die,

621
00:29:57,075 --> 00:29:59,305
you'll go to a better place.

622
00:29:59,344 --> 00:30:02,211
l know l'll be with God.
l'll be with Jesus.

623
00:30:02,247 --> 00:30:03,976
And that's a better place.

624
00:30:04,015 --> 00:30:06,609
Even if it was in a garbage can,

625
00:30:06,651 --> 00:30:08,619
which l know it won't be,
but even if it was,

626
00:30:08,653 --> 00:30:11,417
just the fact that
l'm with Jesus, to me, is good.

627
00:30:11,456 --> 00:30:13,549
- lt's a better place.
- lt's a better place.

628
00:30:13,592 --> 00:30:17,050
Then why don't you kill yourself?

629
00:30:17,095 --> 00:30:18,858
Because God still has
a mission for me here.

630
00:30:18,897 --> 00:30:20,091
Oh, l see.

631
00:30:20,132 --> 00:30:23,659
l'm thinking of Jonah.
God sent Jonah on a mission.

632
00:30:23,702 --> 00:30:26,569
When did the part of the story come
when Jonah lived in the whale?

633
00:30:26,605 --> 00:30:28,596
lt was a great fish.

634
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,608
lt's one of my favorite
nonsense stories,

635
00:30:30,642 --> 00:30:32,803
Jonah living inside
of the whale.

636
00:30:32,844 --> 00:30:36,644
And their answer unfailingly is

637
00:30:36,681 --> 00:30:39,980
''The Bible doesn't say whale.
lt says big fish.''

638
00:30:40,018 --> 00:30:42,009
Oh, yeah, big fish,
that makes--

639
00:30:42,053 --> 00:30:45,454
l'm sorry l was obsessing
on that it was a whale. lt's a big fish.

640
00:30:45,490 --> 00:30:47,185
Of course you could live
for three days in a big fish.

641
00:30:47,225 --> 00:30:49,090
A tuna.

642
00:30:49,127 --> 00:30:52,221
They do it all the time in Japan.
They have tuna spas.

643
00:30:52,264 --> 00:30:55,495
You go for three days.
They pamper you, oils.

644
00:30:55,534 --> 00:30:58,867
You come out of that tuna
feeling fantastic.

645
00:30:58,904 --> 00:31:00,462
You smell like pussy,

646
00:31:00,505 --> 00:31:03,770
but you feel fantastic.

647
00:31:03,808 --> 00:31:06,641
This man lived inside
of a fish for three days?

648
00:31:06,678 --> 00:31:09,579
Miraculously, yes.

649
00:31:09,614 --> 00:31:12,139
Steve, Steve, Steve.

650
00:31:12,184 --> 00:31:13,913
You don't believe in miracles.

651
00:31:13,952 --> 00:31:16,614
- That doesn't mean they don't exist.
- Of course not!

652
00:31:16,655 --> 00:31:18,213
l'm not 10!

653
00:31:18,256 --> 00:31:20,190
He lived in a fish.

654
00:31:20,225 --> 00:31:22,887
Come on.

655
00:31:22,928 --> 00:31:26,159
Your bar on miracles is pretty low,
l gotta tell you, bro.

656
00:31:26,198 --> 00:31:28,223
Well, whatever.

657
00:31:28,266 --> 00:31:30,757
Two things that are
completely incompatible

658
00:31:30,802 --> 00:31:34,033
are Christianity
as Jesus taught it

659
00:31:34,072 --> 00:31:36,006
- and nationalism...
- Right. Exactly.

660
00:31:36,041 --> 00:31:39,306
...and yet people always
say God and country.

661
00:31:39,344 --> 00:31:41,972
Jesus would never--
you know,

662
00:31:42,013 --> 00:31:43,844
people who are
such good Christians--

663
00:31:43,882 --> 00:31:46,646
in one breath you'll hear them
say something like,

664
00:31:46,685 --> 00:31:48,585
''Well, you gotta take care
of your own first.

665
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:51,350
l know people overseas have trouble,
but you gotta take''--

666
00:31:51,389 --> 00:31:55,257
that is not a message l can ever see
the Jesus in the Bible,

667
00:31:55,293 --> 00:31:58,262
even when he was
in a bad mood, would say.

668
00:32:02,434 --> 00:32:03,560
l'm gonna vote Bible.

669
00:32:03,602 --> 00:32:05,160
lt's time for God's people to come

670
00:32:05,203 --> 00:32:08,366
out of the closets,
out of the churches

671
00:32:08,406 --> 00:32:10,237
and change America!

672
00:32:10,275 --> 00:32:11,867
Unless you and l do
what God wants us to do,

673
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:14,071
he'll go to some other country.

674
00:32:14,112 --> 00:32:16,444
God, forgive America!

675
00:32:16,481 --> 00:32:20,417
l would probably have to say yes,
that the Constitution established

676
00:32:20,452 --> 00:32:23,216
the United States of America
as a Christian nation.

677
00:32:23,255 --> 00:32:25,849
We have, of course,
''ln God We Trust'' on our money.

678
00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:27,050
The Senate will come to order.

679
00:32:27,092 --> 00:32:28,286
The chaplain will lead
the Senate in prayer.

680
00:32:33,465 --> 00:32:37,231
How did this country
get to be a Christian nation?

681
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:39,737
l've read a lot of quotes
from all the Founding Fathers.

682
00:32:39,771 --> 00:32:41,500
There are a lot of quotes
that explicitly say

683
00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:43,734
we're not a Christian nation.

684
00:32:55,654 --> 00:32:57,986
And Jefferson's
a particularly interesting case.

685
00:32:58,023 --> 00:33:01,686
Didn't he write his own Bible
which divorced the New Testament

686
00:33:01,726 --> 00:33:04,957
from what he considered
the unnecessary magic,

687
00:33:04,996 --> 00:33:06,725
bells and whistles?

688
00:33:06,765 --> 00:33:08,824
He took the Gospels,

689
00:33:08,867 --> 00:33:10,892
took out all of Jesus's miracles

690
00:33:10,935 --> 00:33:12,732
and took out
all of Jesus's statements

691
00:33:12,771 --> 00:33:15,001
that claimed divinity,

692
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,338
and put out a new book called
''The Faith and Moral Teachings

693
00:33:17,375 --> 00:33:18,808
of Jesus of Nazareth.''

694
00:33:18,843 --> 00:33:21,937
We tend to lionize these guys
and think of them all

695
00:33:21,980 --> 00:33:25,211
as the 1 2 Apostles
plus the Founding Fathers,

696
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:27,514
like they're in the same
club or something.

697
00:33:27,552 --> 00:33:30,180
When in fact,
these men understood very well

698
00:33:30,221 --> 00:33:32,451
that there was a difference
between being Christian

699
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,355
and being American.

700
00:33:34,392 --> 00:33:36,622
- Right.
- ln Jefferson's age, fewer people went

701
00:33:36,661 --> 00:33:39,494
to church less often.

702
00:33:39,531 --> 00:33:41,863
Do you think that there
are a lot of people

703
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,869
who feel the way you do,
but are afraid to speak out?

704
00:33:44,903 --> 00:33:46,666
Absolutely. Are you kidding?

705
00:33:46,705 --> 00:33:50,106
Yes, l think it is
the great untapped minority

706
00:33:50,141 --> 00:33:51,836
in this country.

707
00:33:51,876 --> 00:33:53,400
ln the last survey,

708
00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:56,972
l think it was 16% of Americans

709
00:33:57,015 --> 00:34:00,041
who now say they are
absolutely unaffiliated

710
00:34:00,085 --> 00:34:02,679
with any religion,
don't want to be in a religion,

711
00:34:02,721 --> 00:34:04,484
just don't go near me
with religion.

712
00:34:04,522 --> 00:34:07,457
16% of the population is

713
00:34:07,492 --> 00:34:10,484
a huge minority.
lt's bigger than Jews,

714
00:34:10,528 --> 00:34:14,430
blacks, homosexuals,
NRA members,

715
00:34:14,466 --> 00:34:16,957
lots of people you could name
who have lobbies

716
00:34:17,001 --> 00:34:19,526
that get everything they want

717
00:34:19,571 --> 00:34:23,473
or are at least are in the debate.

718
00:34:23,508 --> 00:34:25,635
You want me to kinda angle
like this or straight ahead?

719
00:34:25,677 --> 00:34:27,872
Just as natural as possible to Bill.

720
00:34:27,912 --> 00:34:31,143
So you've described yourself
as an Evangelical Christian.

721
00:34:31,182 --> 00:34:34,640
You did a campaign ad where you said
the most important lessons in life

722
00:34:34,686 --> 00:34:37,587
are in this book right here,
meaning the Bible.

723
00:34:37,622 --> 00:34:41,353
Everyone in politics likes
to brag that they're a person of faith.

724
00:34:41,393 --> 00:34:44,021
Why is faith good?

725
00:34:44,062 --> 00:34:46,053
Faith has a way

726
00:34:46,097 --> 00:34:48,395
of softening people.

727
00:34:48,433 --> 00:34:51,698
For example, if you look at the
teachings of Jesus, he's very forgiving.

728
00:34:51,736 --> 00:34:53,795
He also said,
''lf a man doesn't abide in me,

729
00:34:53,838 --> 00:34:56,705
he is cast forth
as a branch and withers,

730
00:34:56,741 --> 00:35:00,302
and the branches are gathered,
thrown into the fire and burned.''

731
00:35:00,345 --> 00:35:03,712
Right. So?

732
00:35:03,748 --> 00:35:05,579
l do think, 'cause l'm a Christian,

733
00:35:05,617 --> 00:35:08,381
that Jesus is the way
to be reconciled.

734
00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:13,050
And l do believe
the actual literacy of that story.

735
00:35:13,091 --> 00:35:17,551
We'll let God sort out all the details
of that on Judgment Day.

736
00:35:17,595 --> 00:35:19,324
What about
the 10 Commandments?

737
00:35:19,364 --> 00:35:22,697
So many politicians talk
about the 10 Commandments.

738
00:35:22,734 --> 00:35:24,929
Are they really the 10 most

739
00:35:24,969 --> 00:35:27,369
- important moral--
- Are these the 10 suggestions?

740
00:35:27,405 --> 00:35:29,896
The 10 recommendations?

741
00:35:29,941 --> 00:35:32,307
But it's not really a wide list of 10.

742
00:35:32,343 --> 00:35:34,311
The first four are all

743
00:35:34,345 --> 00:35:37,644
about just worshipping God
and basically that he's a jealous God,

744
00:35:37,682 --> 00:35:39,809
and he doesn't want you
to have any other gods.

745
00:35:39,851 --> 00:35:41,944
The only two that are really laws

746
00:35:41,986 --> 00:35:43,977
are don't steal and don't kill.

747
00:35:44,022 --> 00:35:46,252
Why is this the wisest group of 10?

748
00:35:46,291 --> 00:35:49,988
lt doesn't include child abuse.
lt doesn't include don't torture.

749
00:35:50,028 --> 00:35:52,121
lt doesn't include
a lot of things-- rape--

750
00:35:52,163 --> 00:35:54,961
that l think if we were
making a list today,

751
00:35:54,999 --> 00:35:56,660
we would probably include.

752
00:35:56,701 --> 00:35:59,101
Society is so different today

753
00:35:59,137 --> 00:36:01,628
and our culture is
so radically different today.

754
00:36:01,673 --> 00:36:04,233
That's what l'm asking.
We're in a different culture.

755
00:36:04,275 --> 00:36:07,904
Can you think of anything else that
we still cleave to from the Bronze Age?

756
00:36:07,946 --> 00:36:09,777
Well...

757
00:36:28,833 --> 00:36:31,529
Basically, murder is against the law
in every country in the world.

758
00:36:31,569 --> 00:36:34,561
But wouldn't we have come
to that even without religion?

759
00:36:34,606 --> 00:36:37,302
Don't you think people would
have gotten together and said,

760
00:36:37,342 --> 00:36:39,435
''You know what?
Let's not slaughter each other

761
00:36:39,477 --> 00:36:43,174
- and not take each other's stuff.''
- l don't know.

762
00:36:43,214 --> 00:36:46,012
There's been more killing
in the name of ''My God.''

763
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:49,486
You think maybe sort of indigously

764
00:36:49,521 --> 00:36:51,716
or just by our DNA,

765
00:36:51,756 --> 00:36:54,554
we somehow know that killing
another person is wrong?

766
00:36:54,592 --> 00:36:57,220
l'm not sure that that's the case.

767
00:36:57,262 --> 00:36:59,958
Really, you need God
to decide not to kill each other?

768
00:36:59,998 --> 00:37:03,399
Well, you can look back
at more primitive cultures,

769
00:37:03,434 --> 00:37:07,063
and they were constantly at war.

770
00:37:11,242 --> 00:37:14,700
We are now, among industrialized,
modern nations,

771
00:37:14,746 --> 00:37:16,976
the most religious nation.

772
00:37:17,015 --> 00:37:19,074
A recent study found that

773
00:37:19,117 --> 00:37:21,176
among 32 countries,

774
00:37:21,219 --> 00:37:23,813
more people in this country
doubted evolution

775
00:37:23,855 --> 00:37:27,586
than any other country on that list,
except, l think, it was Turkey.

776
00:37:27,625 --> 00:37:29,991
ln the US,
we have freedom of religion.

777
00:37:30,028 --> 00:37:32,326
l think most of the countries on
that list do have freedom of religion.

778
00:37:32,363 --> 00:37:34,263
Well, that's interesting.

779
00:37:34,299 --> 00:37:35,561
Do you believe in evolution?

780
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,501
You know my-- l don't know.

781
00:37:38,536 --> 00:37:41,266
Clearly the scientific community's
a little divided

782
00:37:41,306 --> 00:37:44,673
on some of the specifics
of that and l understand that.

783
00:37:44,709 --> 00:37:47,542
- l don't think they are.
- No no-- well--

784
00:37:47,579 --> 00:37:49,604
l think they pretty much agree.

785
00:37:49,647 --> 00:37:51,478
l don't know how it all happened.

786
00:37:51,516 --> 00:37:54,542
l'm certainly willing to accept
the scientific premise.

787
00:37:54,586 --> 00:37:57,248
lt couldn't possibly
have been Adam and Eve

788
00:37:57,288 --> 00:38:00,416
5,000 years ago with a talking snake
and a garden, could it?

789
00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:02,119
Well, it could've
possibly been that.

790
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,720
Come on.
See, this is my problem.

791
00:38:04,762 --> 00:38:07,094
l mean, you're a senator.

792
00:38:07,131 --> 00:38:09,429
You are one
of the very few people

793
00:38:09,467 --> 00:38:11,230
who are really
running this country.

794
00:38:11,269 --> 00:38:15,228
lt worries me that people are
running my country who think--

795
00:38:15,273 --> 00:38:16,900
who believe
in a talking snake.

796
00:38:16,941 --> 00:38:19,637
You don't have to pass an lQ test
to be in the Senate, though.

797
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,118
As you first come
into the Creation Museum,

798
00:38:32,156 --> 00:38:33,623
there's going to be a sense

799
00:38:33,658 --> 00:38:35,387
of ''This is something really big.''

800
00:38:35,426 --> 00:38:38,520
This is something awe-inspiring,
something great here.

801
00:38:38,563 --> 00:38:41,031
We can answer the questions
of the skeptics

802
00:38:41,065 --> 00:38:42,794
that attack
the Bible's history.

803
00:38:42,834 --> 00:38:45,496
We admit that we start
from the Bible here

804
00:38:45,536 --> 00:38:47,060
to teach them how to think.

805
00:38:47,105 --> 00:38:49,266
Really, in a nutshell,
we're saying, the Bible's true

806
00:38:49,307 --> 00:38:51,002
from Genesis to Revelation.

807
00:38:56,014 --> 00:38:58,380
We're building the whole place
for about $27 million.

808
00:39:01,386 --> 00:39:02,944
l have many people say to me,

809
00:39:02,987 --> 00:39:04,887
''As a Christian,
can't you believe in evolution?''

810
00:39:04,922 --> 00:39:07,482
l say, ''Well, you got a problem.
God made a man and a woman.''

811
00:39:07,525 --> 00:39:10,289
lf you believe in evolution, the woman
had to come from an ape woman.

812
00:39:10,328 --> 00:39:14,321
All right,
but you're so damned ugly.

813
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,466
This is what we call the main hall
here. lmmediately, people see

814
00:39:19,504 --> 00:39:21,301
dinosaurs and people together,
which is very different

815
00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:24,968
to the idea of the evolutionists
who say dinosaurs died out

816
00:39:25,009 --> 00:39:28,274
70 million ago or so,
and so they didn't live with humans.

817
00:39:28,312 --> 00:39:31,304
They see an animatronic
dinosaur over here.

818
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:33,977
Two animatronic baby T-Rexes
and two animatronic children.

819
00:39:34,018 --> 00:39:37,454
lt's basically just to give people
a wow factor as they come in here.

820
00:39:41,659 --> 00:39:45,493
How to share your faith
effectively and Biblically,

821
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:47,088
to be able to reason
with people,

822
00:39:47,131 --> 00:39:48,860
learn to circumnavigate

823
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,891
or go around
the person's intellect.

824
00:39:50,935 --> 00:39:54,496
There's plenty of people who
would say, ''Well, it's just my faith.''

825
00:39:54,539 --> 00:39:57,235
But that's not good enough
for you. You say, ''No.

826
00:39:57,275 --> 00:39:59,743
We can basically
reconcile the science

827
00:39:59,777 --> 00:40:02,473
with what's in Genesis.''

828
00:40:02,513 --> 00:40:05,380
We're an organization that--
to put it in a nutshell--

829
00:40:05,416 --> 00:40:08,044
is telling people that
the Bible's history is true,

830
00:40:08,086 --> 00:40:09,383
its history beginning
in Genesis.

831
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:12,821
Scientists line up
overwhelmingly

832
00:40:12,857 --> 00:40:15,052
on one side of this issue.
lt would have to be

833
00:40:15,093 --> 00:40:18,859
an enormous conspiracy
going on between scientists

834
00:40:18,896 --> 00:40:21,524
of all different disciplines
in all different countries

835
00:40:21,566 --> 00:40:24,194
to have such a consensus.

836
00:40:24,235 --> 00:40:25,759
That doesn't move you?

837
00:40:25,803 --> 00:40:28,294
No, not at all, because from
a Biblical perspective,

838
00:40:28,339 --> 00:40:31,570
l understand why the majority
would not agree with the truth.

839
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:34,703
Man is a sinner.
Man is rebelling against his creator.

840
00:40:34,746 --> 00:40:37,613
All these scientists
are sinners?

841
00:40:37,648 --> 00:40:39,707
Well...

842
00:40:39,751 --> 00:40:42,879
We have been talking
to so many religious people

843
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,354
and many of them believe
the earth is 5,000 years old.

844
00:40:45,389 --> 00:40:47,857
lf you're a scientist,
you can't accept that.

845
00:40:47,892 --> 00:40:51,225
Now you recently were the director
of the Vatican Observatory.

846
00:40:51,262 --> 00:40:53,423
A Vatican astronomer.

847
00:40:53,464 --> 00:40:56,399
lt's one of those terms
like ''gay Republican''--

848
00:40:56,434 --> 00:40:58,402
you know,
you just don't expect it.

849
00:40:58,436 --> 00:41:01,928
- l'm not getting into that.
- No no no, l'm not asking you to.

850
00:41:01,973 --> 00:41:03,964
lt's not that the church
has the idea, you know,

851
00:41:04,008 --> 00:41:07,273
they're gonna train us up
so we can be the first ones out there

852
00:41:07,311 --> 00:41:09,438
to baptize those extraterrestrials

853
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,573
before the Mormons get at 'em.

854
00:41:11,616 --> 00:41:14,210
The reason is simply

855
00:41:14,252 --> 00:41:16,880
historical facts.

856
00:41:16,921 --> 00:41:20,118
John Paul ll,
for instance, said evolution

857
00:41:20,158 --> 00:41:24,117
in the neo-Darwinian sense is
no longer a mere hypothesis.

858
00:41:24,162 --> 00:41:26,460
l mean, he said that.
lt's in writing.

859
00:41:26,497 --> 00:41:28,988
l still don't understand
why it's important

860
00:41:29,033 --> 00:41:31,593
for there to have to have been
a situation on earth

861
00:41:31,636 --> 00:41:34,298
where a man co-existed
with dinosaurs.

862
00:41:34,338 --> 00:41:35,896
Only really
in ''The Flintstones''...

863
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:37,908
ls someone talking about me?

864
00:41:37,942 --> 00:41:39,466
...and that Raquel Welch movie

865
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:43,002
does man ever co-exist
with dinosaurs.

866
00:41:43,047 --> 00:41:46,949
Why is that important
for your salvation or your morality?

867
00:41:46,984 --> 00:41:48,713
lf you're saying
this part over here,

868
00:41:48,753 --> 00:41:51,517
it says God made land animals
and man on the same day is not true,

869
00:41:51,556 --> 00:41:54,650
then ultimately, why should
l believe this bit over here?

870
00:41:54,692 --> 00:41:58,423
The Christian Scriptures
were written

871
00:41:58,462 --> 00:42:01,260
between about 2,000 years
before Christ

872
00:42:01,299 --> 00:42:03,358
to about 200 years after Christ.

873
00:42:03,401 --> 00:42:04,595
That's it.

874
00:42:04,635 --> 00:42:08,093
Modern science came
to be with Galileo

875
00:42:08,139 --> 00:42:10,505
up through Newton,
up through Einstein.

876
00:42:10,541 --> 00:42:13,704
What we know
as modern science, okay,

877
00:42:13,744 --> 00:42:15,211
is in that period.

878
00:42:15,246 --> 00:42:18,579
How in the world could
there be any science

879
00:42:18,616 --> 00:42:20,345
in scripture?

880
00:42:20,384 --> 00:42:21,976
There cannot be.

881
00:42:22,019 --> 00:42:24,647
Just the two historical
periods are separated

882
00:42:24,689 --> 00:42:26,384
by so much.

883
00:42:26,424 --> 00:42:28,358
The Scriptures are not

884
00:42:28,392 --> 00:42:30,553
teaching science.

885
00:42:30,595 --> 00:42:32,563
lt's very hard for me to accept,

886
00:42:32,597 --> 00:42:36,124
not just a literal interpretation
of scripture,

887
00:42:36,167 --> 00:42:38,965
but a fundamentalist approach
to religious belief.

888
00:42:39,003 --> 00:42:40,868
lt's kind of a plague.

889
00:42:40,905 --> 00:42:43,635
lt presents itself
as science and it's not.

890
00:42:43,674 --> 00:42:45,972
God is an infinite God
who is working in ways

891
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:48,638
- we don't always understand.
- You don't think that's a cop-out?

892
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,341
He is God.

893
00:42:51,382 --> 00:42:52,906
Are you God?

894
00:42:54,518 --> 00:42:56,213
No.

895
00:42:59,757 --> 00:43:01,554
We went to church every Sunday.

896
00:43:01,592 --> 00:43:05,221
My sister and l went to Catechism,
which is Catholic, you know,

897
00:43:05,263 --> 00:43:08,664
like Hebrew school for papists.

898
00:43:08,699 --> 00:43:10,166
lt was like war.

899
00:43:10,201 --> 00:43:13,329
lt was vast stretches
of boredom punctuated

900
00:43:13,371 --> 00:43:16,067
by moments of sheer terror.

901
00:43:21,712 --> 00:43:23,703
l'm in the Vatican.

902
00:43:29,487 --> 00:43:31,318
Buongiorno!

903
00:43:31,355 --> 00:43:34,256
l know what you're thinking.
l'm standing in front of a green screen

904
00:43:34,292 --> 00:43:36,192
at a studio
in Burbank, California,

905
00:43:36,227 --> 00:43:38,718
and they digitalized
the Vatican in behind me.

906
00:43:38,763 --> 00:43:41,425
No no, that's really the Vatican.

907
00:43:41,465 --> 00:43:43,433
l ought to know.
l just got thrown out of it.

908
00:43:43,467 --> 00:43:45,332
See, l wanted
to interview the Pope,

909
00:43:45,369 --> 00:43:49,271
but l was willing to settle
for a cardinal or a monsignor

910
00:43:49,307 --> 00:43:51,434
or the Flying Nun--
really anybody--

911
00:43:51,475 --> 00:43:54,933
but apparently l've been on the
Catholic shit list for quite a while.

912
00:43:54,979 --> 00:43:57,971
But that's their loss, 'cause now
l'm gonna say what l really think,

913
00:43:58,015 --> 00:44:00,074
which is mainly:

914
00:44:00,117 --> 00:44:01,709
Does that look anything

915
00:44:01,752 --> 00:44:04,550
like anything Jesus Christ
had in mind?

916
00:44:04,588 --> 00:44:07,921
When you look at a building
like that, a giant palace,

917
00:44:07,959 --> 00:44:10,154
does it seem at odds
with the message of the founder?

918
00:44:10,194 --> 00:44:11,718
Well, certainly.

919
00:44:11,762 --> 00:44:15,163
- Well, thank you.
- l mean, that's obvious.

920
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,726
lt really is obvious, isn't it?
But does it bother you?

921
00:44:18,769 --> 00:44:22,136
Well, l mean--
well, yes it does.

922
00:44:22,173 --> 00:44:24,733
l wouldn't--
if l were the boss,

923
00:44:24,775 --> 00:44:26,675
l wouldn't be living there.

924
00:44:26,711 --> 00:44:29,703
l mean Jesus would be
probably out in some barracks here

925
00:44:29,747 --> 00:44:32,944
in a suburb of Rome, got it?

926
00:44:32,984 --> 00:44:35,817
Do you ever get so fed up
you want to take the collar and go...

927
00:44:35,853 --> 00:44:37,844
- Well, l don't wear a collar anyway.
- ...''That's it, Captain.

928
00:44:37,888 --> 00:44:39,913
Take my badge and my collar.''

929
00:44:39,957 --> 00:44:43,154
l read about 10 books recently--
the rationality of religion,

930
00:44:43,194 --> 00:44:45,754
and everyone's saying it's stupid.

931
00:44:47,031 --> 00:44:48,999
You know what's
gonna happen to them.

932
00:44:49,033 --> 00:44:50,694
- No, what's gonna happen?
- They're gonna be roasting in hell.

933
00:44:50,735 --> 00:44:53,363
Come on, roasting.
That's the old Catholic thing.

934
00:44:53,404 --> 00:44:54,871
That's what they taught me.

935
00:44:54,905 --> 00:44:56,668
Yeah, l know, that hell business.

936
00:44:56,707 --> 00:44:59,505
Well, come on, the standard doctrine
that l was taught as a kid--

937
00:44:59,543 --> 00:45:01,704
Yeah, that's all gone.
That's all finished.

938
00:45:01,746 --> 00:45:03,213
But that's not fair.

939
00:45:03,247 --> 00:45:06,546
- Yeah, pfft!
- The date of Jesus's birth

940
00:45:06,584 --> 00:45:09,052
really wasn't established
until 349 A.D.

941
00:45:09,086 --> 00:45:11,281
Oh, yeah...

942
00:45:11,322 --> 00:45:13,984
because he might've
been born on July 3rd.

943
00:45:14,025 --> 00:45:17,552
These are all
nice stories, you know.

944
00:45:17,595 --> 00:45:19,927
- And that doesn't bother you, either?
- That bothers me too.

945
00:45:19,964 --> 00:45:22,296
l mean, when everybody's,
''Ooh, we have to have midnight mass

946
00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:25,131
because Jesus was born
on midnight on 25th of''--

947
00:45:25,169 --> 00:45:27,069
this is all nonsense.

948
00:45:27,104 --> 00:45:29,197
- You're a maverick, aren't you?
- l'm not a maverick.

949
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,835
You're Father Maverick.
You do things your own way.

950
00:45:38,249 --> 00:45:41,241
When you add up
all the saints and all the angels

951
00:45:41,285 --> 00:45:43,879
and archangels
and super-duper angels--

952
00:45:43,921 --> 00:45:46,913
there's God, the Father,
God the Son, the Holy Ghost,

953
00:45:46,957 --> 00:45:49,687
Mother Mary--
it does start to look like

954
00:45:49,727 --> 00:45:52,457
it's not quite
the monotheistic religion that it's--

955
00:45:52,496 --> 00:45:54,896
Oh, l understand.
Like we have mini-gods.

956
00:45:54,932 --> 00:45:58,368
Yeah, well, it does seem like that,
if people pray to a--

957
00:45:58,402 --> 00:46:00,529
Well, yeah, but some people
just don't understand this.

958
00:46:00,571 --> 00:46:03,096
You probably are--
you don't follow things--

959
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:05,734
but they had a survey here
in ltaly, you know,

960
00:46:05,776 --> 00:46:07,744
and they said, ''ln a crisis,

961
00:46:07,778 --> 00:46:10,406
what kind of saints
do you pray to?'' Got it?

962
00:46:10,448 --> 00:46:13,542
You know who's the sixth
on the list? Jesus Christ.

963
00:46:13,584 --> 00:46:15,279
The sixth?

964
00:46:15,319 --> 00:46:18,811
He's the sixth man
that the ltalians call upon

965
00:46:18,856 --> 00:46:21,290
when they have problems.
lsn't that neat?

966
00:46:21,325 --> 00:46:25,694
- That's very interesting.
- Talk about Cafeteria Catholics. Pfft!

967
00:46:25,729 --> 00:46:27,720
So how do you convince people
of what's the true faith?

968
00:46:27,765 --> 00:46:30,700
You don't, forget it.
You just have to live and die

969
00:46:30,734 --> 00:46:33,635
with their stupid ideas.

970
00:46:33,671 --> 00:46:35,901
l'm sorry.
What are you gonna do?

971
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:37,908
You can go to a pitch meeting
at a movie studio and go,

972
00:46:37,942 --> 00:46:40,342
''Okay, there's a spaceman

973
00:46:40,377 --> 00:46:42,072
who zaps a virgin

974
00:46:42,113 --> 00:46:44,980
and he gives birth
to a son who's also him,

975
00:46:45,015 --> 00:46:46,915
who then goes
on a suicide mission.''

976
00:46:46,951 --> 00:46:48,384
l wonder what people
would say about that.

977
00:46:48,419 --> 00:46:50,580
Yeah, that is actually
a great pitch.

978
00:46:50,621 --> 00:46:52,885
lt has so many elements
that they like,

979
00:46:52,923 --> 00:46:54,891
because they love
suicide missions.

980
00:46:54,925 --> 00:46:57,723
They love violence,
and Hollywood loves something

981
00:46:57,761 --> 00:47:00,594
it's never seen before-- a virgin.

982
00:47:17,047 --> 00:47:18,947
Hey, Shalom.

983
00:47:24,955 --> 00:47:27,981
We're so glad to have you here.
Just come and get blessed.

984
00:47:34,298 --> 00:47:36,129
These are here to teach God's word.

985
00:47:36,167 --> 00:47:37,964
We're in a spiritual warfare.

986
00:47:38,002 --> 00:47:39,993
We don't push our beliefs on people,

987
00:47:40,037 --> 00:47:42,096
but we do make them available.

988
00:47:42,139 --> 00:47:45,006
- Have you ever had a Muslim person?
- Yes, definitely.

989
00:47:45,042 --> 00:47:46,873
People from Gaza Strip come.

990
00:47:50,047 --> 00:47:52,174
We get many people
who come here say,

991
00:47:52,216 --> 00:47:54,446
''We've come every year
to Florida

992
00:47:54,485 --> 00:47:57,716
and we've done the tourist
things and all and we enjoy those.

993
00:47:57,755 --> 00:48:00,986
We wish we had
seen this first,''

994
00:48:01,025 --> 00:48:04,290
because their experience
here was so meaningful.

995
00:48:04,328 --> 00:48:07,320
Do you think if--
when you were a kid--

996
00:48:07,364 --> 00:48:10,629
they transposed the Bible stories

997
00:48:10,668 --> 00:48:13,159
with the fairy tales, you'd know
the difference as an adult?

998
00:48:14,438 --> 00:48:17,100
- My name is Eve.
- l'm Adam.

999
00:48:17,141 --> 00:48:19,075
This place is amazing.

1000
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:21,873
lf they told you Jack
and the Beanstalk was religion

1001
00:48:21,912 --> 00:48:25,006
and that a man who lived
in a whale was in a fairy-tale book...

1002
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:28,543
you think when you got
to be an adult,

1003
00:48:28,586 --> 00:48:30,577
you'd be defending
the one instead of the other?

1004
00:48:30,621 --> 00:48:32,714
So you're saying that
the Bible's a fairy tale?

1005
00:48:32,756 --> 00:48:35,657
God took my rib like this

1006
00:48:35,693 --> 00:48:37,627
and began to whittle it

1007
00:48:37,661 --> 00:48:39,526
like this

1008
00:48:39,563 --> 00:48:42,999
and blow on it...
and then--

1009
00:48:43,033 --> 00:48:45,797
Saved means believing
in Jesus Christ

1010
00:48:45,836 --> 00:48:47,599
- as the only begotten Son of God.
- Not for me, it don't.

1011
00:48:47,638 --> 00:48:49,538
What about the Muslims?

1012
00:48:49,573 --> 00:48:51,871
Many Muslims are
saved right now.

1013
00:48:51,909 --> 00:48:53,342
l don't get it.

1014
00:48:53,377 --> 00:48:55,777
l pray in your lifetime you do.

1015
00:48:55,813 --> 00:48:59,442
Jesus came through a Jew.
He was not the seed of man.

1016
00:48:59,483 --> 00:49:01,451
He came through
a Jewish woman,

1017
00:49:01,485 --> 00:49:03,077
but no man had
ever touched her.

1018
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,145
No flesh had ever
touched her.

1019
00:49:05,189 --> 00:49:07,487
He was the seed of God.

1020
00:49:26,410 --> 00:49:28,002
You want me to lean up against
the tomb or something

1021
00:49:28,045 --> 00:49:31,071
or you want casual or-- okay.

1022
00:49:31,115 --> 00:49:32,707
Did l give you my cell phone?

1023
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:35,048
Oh, l left my cell phone, right?
Just want to make sure.

1024
00:49:35,085 --> 00:49:36,985
Testing one two,
check, testing.

1025
00:49:37,021 --> 00:49:39,888
How you doing, Bill?
God bless you.

1026
00:49:39,923 --> 00:49:41,151
- Hi.
- Seen you around.

1027
00:49:41,191 --> 00:49:43,591
- Welcome to our world.
- l've seen you around.

1028
00:49:43,627 --> 00:49:46,824
Now is this your tomb?
ls this a real rock?

1029
00:49:46,864 --> 00:49:49,492
No, it's just cement.
They just kind of cemented it in there.

1030
00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:52,263
So when you go out to dinner,
people recognize you?

1031
00:49:52,303 --> 00:49:53,600
All the time, yeah.

1032
00:49:53,637 --> 00:49:56,197
l think you get
a little bit of that, too.

1033
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,767
But they don't think l'm the Lord.
You must really be--

1034
00:49:59,810 --> 00:50:02,779
Why do you think people come here?
'Cause Disneyland's too smutty?

1035
00:50:02,813 --> 00:50:04,542
l personally haven't been
to the Holy Land,

1036
00:50:04,581 --> 00:50:06,515
so this was an awesome experience
for me when l walked on the property.

1037
00:50:06,550 --> 00:50:09,917
- l was like, ''Wow, this is cool.''
- Let me ask you questions

1038
00:50:09,953 --> 00:50:11,352
- about your business...
- Yes.

1039
00:50:11,388 --> 00:50:14,824
...or really the Jesus business.
God is super powerful.

1040
00:50:14,858 --> 00:50:16,519
- He can do anything.
- Sure.

1041
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,723
Why doesn't
he just obliterate the devil

1042
00:50:19,763 --> 00:50:23,028
and therefore get rid
of evil in the world?

1043
00:50:23,067 --> 00:50:25,797
- He will.
- He will? What's he waiting for?

1044
00:50:25,836 --> 00:50:27,804
- End times.
- But why play it out like that?

1045
00:50:27,838 --> 00:50:30,272
- Why make it a game?
- Well, it's not necessarily a game.

1046
00:50:30,307 --> 00:50:33,435
A day is like a thousand years
in God's eyes, it says in the Bible.

1047
00:50:33,477 --> 00:50:35,843
lf you wanna look at it--
just like two days ago, Christ died.

1048
00:50:35,879 --> 00:50:39,406
But l know that he is
so far beyond any of our ways,

1049
00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:41,941
that he can work
the worst situation for his good.

1050
00:50:41,985 --> 00:50:43,976
What was the Holocaust?
Why was that good?

1051
00:50:44,021 --> 00:50:46,489
You know, God had a plan for that.
Maybe it's to cause--

1052
00:50:46,523 --> 00:50:48,320
l wonder if you would have thought
that if you were one of the people

1053
00:50:48,359 --> 00:50:50,452
- being pushed into an oven.
- Well, you know what?

1054
00:50:50,494 --> 00:50:52,826
lt's like trying to explain
to an ant how a TV works.

1055
00:50:52,863 --> 00:50:55,388
That's-- God's ways are
so much higher than ours.

1056
00:50:55,432 --> 00:50:58,162
There's no way
you can understand that.

1057
00:50:58,202 --> 00:50:59,999
We need to stop the interview
for just a moment, please.

1058
00:51:00,037 --> 00:51:01,868
- Nice to see you.
- Senior manager of public relations.

1059
00:51:01,905 --> 00:51:05,068
- Hi, Les, l'll be right with you.
- Hi. Sure.

1060
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:15,514
l'm not afraid
of the piranha women.

1061
00:51:15,552 --> 00:51:18,180
When he came, he said, ''l come not
to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.''

1062
00:51:18,222 --> 00:51:20,747
You boil all those
Levitical laws down to two things:

1063
00:51:20,791 --> 00:51:22,315
No other God is before me, Bill,

1064
00:51:22,359 --> 00:51:24,224
and love the Lord with all your heart.

1065
00:51:24,261 --> 00:51:26,024
But, Jesus, having
no other gods before you,

1066
00:51:26,063 --> 00:51:28,759
that's not moral.
There's nothing moral about that.

1067
00:51:28,799 --> 00:51:31,461
lt's just something
a jealous god would do.

1068
00:51:31,502 --> 00:51:33,493
lt does say that our God
is a jealous god.

1069
00:51:33,537 --> 00:51:37,234
But your God is jealous?
That seems so unGodlike

1070
00:51:37,274 --> 00:51:39,538
that God would have such
a petty human emotion.

1071
00:51:39,576 --> 00:51:42,044
l know people who have
gotten over jealousy,

1072
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,138
- let alone God.
- There's two sides to the coin.

1073
00:51:44,181 --> 00:51:46,911
He's a just God
and he's also a merciful God.

1074
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:50,909
No, he spends the first five books
of the Bible wiping out people.

1075
00:51:50,954 --> 00:51:54,185
That's what he chose to do.
His ways are higher than ours, Bill.

1076
00:51:54,224 --> 00:51:56,852
- Maybe our thinking should be higher.
- That's a good point.

1077
00:51:56,894 --> 00:51:59,863
God has got
this God-sized hole in your life.

1078
00:51:59,897 --> 00:52:01,728
You can fit that
with any position--

1079
00:52:01,765 --> 00:52:04,359
drugs, sex, whatever you want--
it is not gonna fill it.

1080
00:52:04,401 --> 00:52:05,925
- Can l try?
- You can try all you want.

1081
00:52:05,969 --> 00:52:07,095
You're gonna end up
hurting yourself,

1082
00:52:07,137 --> 00:52:08,900
damaging yourself
and burning yourself up.

1083
00:52:08,939 --> 00:52:11,134
l thought Christ was
about not judging people.

1084
00:52:11,175 --> 00:52:13,405
- That's true.
- lsn't that a judgment there?

1085
00:52:13,444 --> 00:52:15,969
You don't know me and you're telling me
l need to fill a hole in my heart

1086
00:52:16,013 --> 00:52:18,038
- with drugs and sex.
- No, l'm not talking about you.

1087
00:52:18,081 --> 00:52:19,605
l'm saying anyone in general.

1088
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:22,915
See, if l was God, l would create people
without the hole to begin with.

1089
00:52:22,953 --> 00:52:26,650
Have you ever had a little voice in
the back of your mind say something?

1090
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:28,487
- We've all had that.
- That's called the Holy Spirit.

1091
00:52:28,525 --> 00:52:30,959
- That's not God. That's you.
- That's called the Holy Spirit.

1092
00:52:30,994 --> 00:52:32,291
- Feel this wind right now?
- Yeah.

1093
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:34,297
Okay, where is it?
You don't know, right?

1094
00:52:34,331 --> 00:52:36,959
- Yeah, it's called wind.
- Okay, that's like the Holy Spirit.

1095
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,992
lt's a monotheistic religion,
but there's three of them.

1096
00:52:40,037 --> 00:52:42,471
Just like water can be ice,
steam and water.

1097
00:52:42,506 --> 00:52:44,303
l see.

1098
00:52:44,341 --> 00:52:46,502
lt's different forms, different shapes
for the different purposes.

1099
00:52:46,543 --> 00:52:48,704
The analogy that Jesus
at the amusement park

1100
00:52:48,745 --> 00:52:50,610
said yesterday was brilliant,

1101
00:52:50,647 --> 00:52:53,309
about the Trinity is like water.

1102
00:52:53,350 --> 00:52:55,545
lt can be steam. lt can be ice.

1103
00:52:55,586 --> 00:52:58,419
lt can be liquid.
Wow, that is--

1104
00:52:58,455 --> 00:53:01,390
boy, that stopped me
in my tracks for a second, you know?

1105
00:53:01,425 --> 00:53:03,325
That's just a brilliant analogy.

1106
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,827
When you think about it
for two minutes,

1107
00:53:04,862 --> 00:53:07,353
it's still complete bullshit.

1108
00:53:07,397 --> 00:53:09,456
There this space God
and he's himself

1109
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:11,764
and he sent himself
on a suicide mission.

1110
00:53:11,802 --> 00:53:14,828
He's a God, but he has a kid.
He's a single parent.

1111
00:53:14,872 --> 00:53:18,808
lt's just silly, but when you put it
in the water analogy,

1112
00:53:18,842 --> 00:53:21,072
l can see that, you know,
those ladies there,

1113
00:53:21,111 --> 00:53:23,238
when they heard that the first time,
they were like, done.

1114
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,011
Sold. Oh, you had me
at ice cube.

1115
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:29,678
Moving on.
Does it ever bother you

1116
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,212
that the story of a man

1117
00:53:33,257 --> 00:53:36,658
who was born of a virgin
was resurrected?

1118
00:53:36,693 --> 00:53:39,890
Your bio was something that was
going around the Mediterranean

1119
00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:41,625
for at least 1,000 years.

1120
00:53:41,665 --> 00:53:44,327
We've got Krishna who was in lndia

1121
00:53:44,368 --> 00:53:46,962
1,000 years before Christ.
Krishna was a carpenter,

1122
00:53:47,004 --> 00:53:49,700
born of a virgin, baptized in a river.

1123
00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:51,708
Are you saying that
was written in history?

1124
00:53:51,742 --> 00:53:53,505
That was written down in history,
is that what you're saying?

1125
00:53:53,544 --> 00:53:57,207
Absolutely, there's the Persian god
Mithra, 600 years before Christ.

1126
00:53:57,247 --> 00:53:59,875
Born December 25th,
performed miracles,

1127
00:53:59,917 --> 00:54:01,817
resurrected on the third day,

1128
00:54:01,852 --> 00:54:05,310
known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth,
the Light, the Savior, Messiah.

1129
00:54:05,355 --> 00:54:07,482
Stop! Blasphemer!

1130
00:54:07,524 --> 00:54:09,788
All l know is that
l don't go by that hearsay.

1131
00:54:09,826 --> 00:54:13,023
l go by the word of God.
l know that's why l believe.

1132
00:54:13,063 --> 00:54:15,964
- Well, l believe it because it's truth.
- Believe it, yes.

1133
00:54:15,999 --> 00:54:18,490
But there's a difference
between truth and what you believe.

1134
00:54:18,535 --> 00:54:21,800
ln the Bible it tells us that all things
are possible with God, okay?

1135
00:54:21,838 --> 00:54:24,068
Study the religions
of the Mediterranean region

1136
00:54:24,107 --> 00:54:25,665
for a thousand years before.

1137
00:54:25,709 --> 00:54:29,577
Many of the gods were born
on December 25th.

1138
00:54:29,613 --> 00:54:32,275
- No, it's not.
- lt's not a new one.

1139
00:54:32,316 --> 00:54:34,341
lt's funny you should bring
that up because of course

1140
00:54:34,384 --> 00:54:36,045
in ''Star Wars: Episode l--
The Phantom Menace,''

1141
00:54:36,086 --> 00:54:37,747
Anakin is born to a virgin.

1142
00:54:37,788 --> 00:54:39,119
People see that
and say, ''Wait a second.

1143
00:54:39,156 --> 00:54:41,386
Where have we heard that before?''
That's not original.

1144
00:54:41,425 --> 00:54:44,189
- But the Jesus story wasn't original.
- How so?

1145
00:55:34,544 --> 00:55:37,138
Let me ask you a question.
Let's say, if you take the side

1146
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:40,445
- that this is all made up...
- l do.

1147
00:55:40,484 --> 00:55:41,815
...what if you're wrong?

1148
00:55:43,253 --> 00:55:44,982
What if you're wrong?

1149
00:55:55,532 --> 00:55:59,400
# Down the Via Dolorosa #

1150
00:55:59,436 --> 00:56:02,963
# ln Jerusalem that day #

1151
00:56:03,006 --> 00:56:05,270
# The soldiers tried #

1152
00:56:05,308 --> 00:56:08,835
# To clear
the narrow street #

1153
00:56:10,313 --> 00:56:14,181
# But the crowd
pressed in to see #

1154
00:56:14,217 --> 00:56:16,447
# The man condemned to die #

1155
00:56:16,486 --> 00:56:19,546
# On Calvary #

1156
00:56:21,324 --> 00:56:24,487
# Down the Via Dolorosa #

1157
00:56:24,528 --> 00:56:28,225
# Called the Way of Suffering #

1158
00:56:28,265 --> 00:56:31,496
# Like a lamb came the Messiah #

1159
00:56:31,535 --> 00:56:33,799
# Christ the King #

1160
00:56:35,505 --> 00:56:38,474
# And he chose to walk that road #

1161
00:56:38,508 --> 00:56:41,568
# Out of his love #

1162
00:56:41,611 --> 00:56:43,841
# For you #

1163
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,213
# And me. #

1164
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:09,500
Was Jesus a sinner?

1165
00:57:09,539 --> 00:57:13,168
One master. One word.
l am your master.

1166
00:57:15,912 --> 00:57:18,938
Who do we put away
in the asylums?

1167
00:57:26,556 --> 00:57:28,581
Xenu brought us here

1168
00:57:28,625 --> 00:57:30,593
75 million years ago,

1169
00:57:30,627 --> 00:57:33,323
stacked us around volcanoes

1170
00:57:33,363 --> 00:57:35,627
and blew them up with an H-bomb.

1171
00:57:39,002 --> 00:57:40,993
We are older than the universe.

1172
00:57:44,975 --> 00:57:47,239
You have to rid yourself

1173
00:57:47,277 --> 00:57:48,904
of the implants

1174
00:57:48,945 --> 00:57:52,039
from the extraterrestrial dictators!

1175
00:57:55,685 --> 00:57:59,314
- Get an E-Meter. Yes, get an E-Meter!
- An E-meter?

1176
00:58:02,959 --> 00:58:04,426
Audit yourself.

1177
00:58:07,798 --> 00:58:10,858
How do you people expect
to get to the next level?

1178
00:58:13,503 --> 00:58:15,528
l'm not making the rules.

1179
00:58:17,307 --> 00:58:19,298
Aw...

1180
00:58:21,344 --> 00:58:23,744
You know, Scientologists...

1181
00:58:26,783 --> 00:58:30,685
And right, you're like,
''Oh, yeah, that's some crazy shit. Okay.

1182
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,655
Jesus with the virgin birth
and the dove and the snake

1183
00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:37,091
who talked in the garden,
that's cool.

1184
00:58:37,127 --> 00:58:40,290
But the Scientologists,
they're the crazy ones.''

1185
00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:41,490
That's not true.

1186
00:58:41,531 --> 00:58:43,692
That-- that--
l don't have any idea

1187
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:45,963
of what
you're talking about.

1188
00:58:46,002 --> 00:58:48,027
But it has something to do
with making sure

1189
00:58:48,071 --> 00:58:50,266
that we're born with a defect,

1190
00:58:50,307 --> 00:58:52,104
so that the souls of ours

1191
00:58:52,142 --> 00:58:54,508
are infected with aliens...

1192
00:58:54,544 --> 00:58:57,012
Thank you.

1193
00:58:57,047 --> 00:59:01,006
...because the cure?
Scientology.

1194
00:59:01,051 --> 00:59:04,487
They're all crazy.
Yes, the religions do get even crazier.

1195
00:59:04,521 --> 00:59:07,012
They have to to keep up.

1196
00:59:07,057 --> 00:59:09,491
They keep raising the bar.
After you've done the virgin birth,

1197
00:59:09,526 --> 00:59:11,687
you know,
where do you go?

1198
00:59:28,678 --> 00:59:30,373
We're not getting the top?

1199
00:59:30,413 --> 00:59:32,142
- We got the top.
- Oh, okay.

1200
00:59:32,182 --> 00:59:34,241
That's the Mormon Temple
behind me.

1201
00:59:34,284 --> 00:59:36,980
To be a Mormon is to believe
some really crazy stuff,

1202
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:40,478
crazy even by the standards
of the big religions.

1203
00:59:40,523 --> 00:59:42,013
When you're the new kid
on the block--

1204
00:59:43,627 --> 00:59:46,824
Thank you.
That was helpful.

1205
00:59:46,863 --> 00:59:48,387
You're the new kid
on the block

1206
00:59:48,431 --> 00:59:50,194
and all the good crazy has
already been picked over,

1207
00:59:50,233 --> 00:59:52,724
so you kind of have to up the ante.

1208
00:59:52,769 --> 00:59:54,202
Oh.

1209
00:59:54,237 --> 00:59:56,102
God damn it.

1210
00:59:56,139 --> 00:59:58,630
Not while
l'm in the middle of it.

1211
01:00:00,610 --> 01:00:03,078
Well, we do have it.

1212
01:00:03,113 --> 01:00:04,205
Boy, a lot of people came

1213
01:00:04,247 --> 01:00:05,976
- out of the woodwork.
- Yeah.

1214
01:00:11,554 --> 01:00:13,749
So did you guys get anybody
from the church to talk to?

1215
01:00:13,790 --> 01:00:16,452
Well, if you count getting
thrown off the property

1216
01:00:16,493 --> 01:00:19,951
- ''talked to.''
- That's probably better.

1217
01:00:19,996 --> 01:00:23,261
We'd like you
to ''Meet the Mormons.''

1218
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,666
ln the founding scripture,
you open up the Doctrine of Covenants,

1219
01:00:25,702 --> 01:00:27,829
you read the autobiography
of Joseph Smith.

1220
01:00:27,871 --> 01:00:31,034
He quotes Jesus Christ as telling him

1221
01:00:31,074 --> 01:00:33,304
that every other creed
on earth is, quote,

1222
01:00:33,343 --> 01:00:35,470
''an abomination.''
An abomination.

1223
01:00:35,512 --> 01:00:37,946
l mean, that's not
a very ecumenical statement.

1224
01:00:37,981 --> 01:00:40,973
You're talking about things that,
l think, at some level

1225
01:00:41,017 --> 01:00:43,645
you sense just
do not make sense.

1226
01:00:43,687 --> 01:00:46,850
l'm glad you said that because l read
some of the tenets of Mormonism,

1227
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:50,053
like ''God lives on a planet
near the star of Kalob.''

1228
01:00:50,093 --> 01:00:51,822
- Kolob.
- Kolob.

1229
01:00:51,861 --> 01:00:54,796
God the Father who's a physical man
with a body of flesh and bone

1230
01:00:54,831 --> 01:00:58,392
is probably about 6' tall,
lives on a place called Kolob,

1231
01:00:58,435 --> 01:01:01,768
had sexual relations with Mary--
remember he's a man.

1232
01:01:01,805 --> 01:01:04,330
''Jesus Christ was conceived
by God the father

1233
01:01:04,374 --> 01:01:06,399
having actual sex with Mary.''

1234
01:01:06,443 --> 01:01:08,809
Mary said, ''lf this is what God wants,

1235
01:01:08,845 --> 01:01:10,676
l'll be glad to do His will.''

1236
01:01:10,714 --> 01:01:12,682
''Dark skin is a curse from God,

1237
01:01:12,716 --> 01:01:14,308
but if you're sufficiently righteous,

1238
01:01:14,351 --> 01:01:15,511
a dark-skinned person

1239
01:01:15,552 --> 01:01:17,816
can become light-skinned.''

1240
01:01:17,854 --> 01:01:20,288
According to
the Book of Mormon,

1241
01:01:20,323 --> 01:01:22,791
after his resurrection,
Jesus came to the Americas

1242
01:01:22,826 --> 01:01:24,760
to preach to the lndians.

1243
01:01:24,794 --> 01:01:27,854
''That American lndians are
actually a lost tribe of lsrael.''

1244
01:01:27,897 --> 01:01:29,091
They're lost Jews.

1245
01:01:31,201 --> 01:01:32,725
And also the idea

1246
01:01:32,769 --> 01:01:35,260
that Christianity
is American,

1247
01:01:35,305 --> 01:01:37,796
l think, is an amazing
entitlement to a people

1248
01:01:37,841 --> 01:01:41,607
who are always trying
to meld God and country.

1249
01:01:41,644 --> 01:01:44,977
The Garden of Eden was
in Missouri according to Mormonism.

1250
01:01:45,015 --> 01:01:46,880
The new Jerusalem
will be there.

1251
01:01:46,916 --> 01:01:48,816
Branson, l'm hoping.

1252
01:01:48,852 --> 01:01:51,787
l've also heard that the Mormon Church
baptizes dead people.

1253
01:01:51,821 --> 01:01:54,119
You can be baptized
for about 50 people,

1254
01:01:54,157 --> 01:01:56,182
100 people that've died.

1255
01:01:56,226 --> 01:01:58,956
And so you just get dunked
about 50 to 100 times.

1256
01:01:58,995 --> 01:02:00,553
That's baptism for the dead.

1257
01:02:00,597 --> 01:02:03,532
Caffeine is evil.
That magic underwear can protect you.

1258
01:02:11,341 --> 01:02:14,572
And that you need
a secret password to get into heaven.

1259
01:02:14,611 --> 01:02:16,909
Everyone must stand
at the final judgment

1260
01:02:16,946 --> 01:02:19,881
before Joseph Smith,
Jesus and Elohim.

1261
01:02:19,916 --> 01:02:21,383
This isn't an easy religion.

1262
01:02:21,418 --> 01:02:24,387
Why do you think it is that
so few people

1263
01:02:24,421 --> 01:02:26,514
do what you have done
and leave the church?

1264
01:02:26,556 --> 01:02:28,786
The moment you acknowledge
to yourself that Joseph Smith

1265
01:02:28,825 --> 01:02:32,784
did not tell the truth about
his experiences and his achievements,

1266
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:35,662
you just committed
social suicide.

1267
01:02:35,698 --> 01:02:37,529
- Family and friends...
- Family and friends.

1268
01:02:37,567 --> 01:02:39,762
...will-- you're off the deep end.

1269
01:02:39,803 --> 01:02:43,102
Dr. Andrew Newberg,
nice to meet you.

1270
01:02:43,139 --> 01:02:47,371
l've finally met someone
who's studied... neurotheology.

1271
01:02:47,410 --> 01:02:49,605
This is getting very close
to something l always say,

1272
01:02:49,646 --> 01:02:53,013
which is that religion is
a neurological disorder.

1273
01:02:53,049 --> 01:02:55,916
What does the brain look like
when it's hopped up on God?

1274
01:02:55,952 --> 01:02:58,113
We see a lot of different colors,
which help us to--

1275
01:02:58,154 --> 01:02:59,917
tell us what
the activity is in the brain

1276
01:02:59,956 --> 01:03:02,857
and what we have found is that
there are some very specific changes

1277
01:03:02,892 --> 01:03:05,383
when people are actually
meditating or praying

1278
01:03:05,428 --> 01:03:07,862
or even speaking in tongues,
which was our last study.

1279
01:03:07,897 --> 01:03:10,365
ln the name of Jesus,

1280
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,028
you've been made whole
by the power of God.

1281
01:03:13,069 --> 01:03:15,230
- Speaking in tongues?
- We studied people speaking in tongues.

1282
01:03:15,271 --> 01:03:17,398
They're just babbling,
though, right?

1283
01:03:20,643 --> 01:03:22,702
They're not really speaking
in a language they don't know.

1284
01:03:22,745 --> 01:03:25,714
lt's not an actual language,
but what's--

1285
01:03:25,748 --> 01:03:27,375
Just bullshit, Doc,
come on.

1286
01:03:27,417 --> 01:03:29,248
lsn't that something?

1287
01:03:42,165 --> 01:03:44,565
l love you.

1288
01:03:44,601 --> 01:03:47,934
So you would agree that
even if a billion people

1289
01:03:47,971 --> 01:03:50,439
believe something,
it can still be ridiculous?

1290
01:03:50,473 --> 01:03:52,805
- Absolutely.
- But the Jews, l mean, they're--

1291
01:03:52,842 --> 01:03:55,606
excuse me, Jewish friends--
but they're as cuckoo as anybody,

1292
01:03:55,645 --> 01:03:57,613
especially the really Orthodox ones.

1293
01:03:57,647 --> 01:04:01,208
You are one of the
few Jewish people in the world

1294
01:04:01,251 --> 01:04:03,242
who does not believe
in the state of lsrael.

1295
01:04:03,286 --> 01:04:04,719
You do not think the state

1296
01:04:04,754 --> 01:04:08,019
- of lsrael should exist.
- Correct.

1297
01:04:08,057 --> 01:04:10,150
- Okay.
- God gave us the land of lsrael.

1298
01:04:10,193 --> 01:04:14,289
On Mount Sinai where we made
this bond with God,

1299
01:04:14,330 --> 01:04:16,890
He said, ''l'm giving you the land,
but l'm stipulating--

1300
01:04:16,933 --> 01:04:20,334
very clearly stipulating-- you must
be on a certain level of holiness.''

1301
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:22,099
You will see it clearly
that we were sent out of the land.

1302
01:04:22,138 --> 01:04:24,265
So basically you're saying that

1303
01:04:24,307 --> 01:04:26,468
the Jewish people have
not been holy enough

1304
01:04:26,509 --> 01:04:28,477
to deserve
the land of lsrael.

1305
01:04:28,511 --> 01:04:30,376
God understands what is good for us,
what is bad for us...

1306
01:04:30,413 --> 01:04:32,608
- First of all--
- ...what will bring us safety or not.

1307
01:04:32,649 --> 01:04:33,638
Let me just finish.

1308
01:04:33,683 --> 01:04:35,810
God told us, though,
if you will go against God--

1309
01:04:35,852 --> 01:04:38,150
- God manipulates the world--
- Okay, l--

1310
01:04:38,188 --> 01:04:39,985
Wait a second.
Let me finish this.

1311
01:04:40,023 --> 01:04:42,048
God said if you're going
to try to make the state,

1312
01:04:42,091 --> 01:04:44,150
you will be unsuccessful.

1313
01:04:44,194 --> 01:04:45,752
You are looking through--

1314
01:04:45,795 --> 01:04:48,730
you're trying to look
at this world through a keyhole.

1315
01:04:48,765 --> 01:04:50,892
l'm looking through the key--

1316
01:04:50,934 --> 01:04:53,232
Let me finish.
God is compassionate.

1317
01:04:53,269 --> 01:04:55,237
Everything is directly
from God, we believe.

1318
01:04:55,271 --> 01:04:58,206
- But it seems to me--
- l'll now explain what you're asking.

1319
01:04:58,241 --> 01:05:00,402
The concept of saying

1320
01:05:00,443 --> 01:05:03,003
that we've suffered
enough anti-Semitism--

1321
01:05:03,046 --> 01:05:04,707
Never again.

1322
01:05:04,747 --> 01:05:07,910
So you don't say ''Never again.''
You say ''Again.''

1323
01:05:07,951 --> 01:05:10,920
Yeah. Let us understand
that the Jewish people

1324
01:05:10,954 --> 01:05:12,649
were living in exile
for 2,000 years

1325
01:05:12,689 --> 01:05:14,486
under God's protection

1326
01:05:14,524 --> 01:05:16,492
and we were living
in Western civilization--

1327
01:05:16,526 --> 01:05:18,619
- Germany, Poland. Not anymore...
- Let me finish.

1328
01:05:18,661 --> 01:05:20,595
We were living amongst
all nations throughout the years.

1329
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:22,757
...'cause they're all dead.
How many people died in the Holocaust?

1330
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:26,200
You're jumping.
Let's jump to the Holocaust.

1331
01:05:26,236 --> 01:05:28,864
l thought the issue
was Jewish safety.

1332
01:05:28,905 --> 01:05:31,032
l thought the issue was
how many Jews are dying.

1333
01:05:31,074 --> 01:05:33,099
So let's talk
about Jewish safety.

1334
01:05:33,142 --> 01:05:35,133
Okay, l'm sure there was a few--

1335
01:05:35,178 --> 01:05:38,841
A couple million Jews died,
that's okay, that's the wording you use?

1336
01:05:38,881 --> 01:05:42,317
You're the one who went
to lran in December 2006

1337
01:05:42,352 --> 01:05:44,047
for the president

1338
01:05:44,087 --> 01:05:47,386
of that country's
Holocaust ''denial'' conference.

1339
01:05:47,423 --> 01:05:49,254
Whoa, don't just throw words.

1340
01:06:00,436 --> 01:06:03,599
Why does Ahmadinejad say
that he wants lsrael

1341
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,164
- to be wiped from the face of the--
- When did he say that?

1342
01:06:05,208 --> 01:06:07,142
- He did.
- He never said that.

1343
01:06:07,176 --> 01:06:08,734
What did he say?
What was the exact quote?

1344
01:06:08,778 --> 01:06:12,976
- He said it should disappear.
- What, is he David Copperfield?

1345
01:06:13,016 --> 01:06:16,247
- That's chutzpah.
- Never again, Rabbi, never again.

1346
01:06:16,286 --> 01:06:18,151
Wait. One more second.

1347
01:06:18,187 --> 01:06:20,451
No, l'm out.

1348
01:06:22,492 --> 01:06:24,392
We have Conservatives.
We have Reforms.

1349
01:06:24,427 --> 01:06:25,689
We have the Orthodox.

1350
01:06:25,728 --> 01:06:28,322
You are an observing Jew.

1351
01:06:28,364 --> 01:06:30,229
lt says it right there
in the fourth commandment:

1352
01:06:30,266 --> 01:06:32,757
Honor the Sabbath day
to keep it holy.

1353
01:06:32,802 --> 01:06:35,771
Friday night to Saturday night,
you don't do anything.

1354
01:06:35,805 --> 01:06:39,832
Yeah, the rabbis over the centuries
have created these prohibitions

1355
01:06:39,876 --> 01:06:42,310
as a way to try
to protect the day of rest.

1356
01:06:42,345 --> 01:06:46,145
You can't use electricity.
You can't drive.

1357
01:06:46,182 --> 01:06:49,777
Let's talk a little about
keeping the Sabbath holy.

1358
01:06:49,819 --> 01:06:52,344
l've always wondered
if it came about

1359
01:06:52,388 --> 01:06:55,448
because God rested
on the Sabbath

1360
01:06:55,491 --> 01:06:57,459
and that's why man has to.

1361
01:06:57,493 --> 01:06:59,461
That's right,
and that was the creation

1362
01:06:59,495 --> 01:07:01,360
of the seventh day,
that there should be rest.

1363
01:07:01,397 --> 01:07:04,833
There are 39 types of specific actions

1364
01:07:04,867 --> 01:07:07,358
that cannot be done on the Sabbath.

1365
01:07:07,403 --> 01:07:08,995
One of them is lighting a fire.

1366
01:07:09,038 --> 01:07:10,767
Planting. Another one is plowing.

1367
01:07:10,807 --> 01:07:12,604
Another one is
tying a knot, untying a knot.

1368
01:07:12,642 --> 01:07:15,611
One is building, and one is
destroying so as to build.

1369
01:07:15,645 --> 01:07:18,773
So much more kosher is
to develop these gadgets

1370
01:07:18,815 --> 01:07:21,215
- that figure out a way around it.
- That's right.

1371
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:23,946
lt does seem that you are,
to a degree,

1372
01:07:23,986 --> 01:07:26,045
trying to outsmart God.

1373
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:29,388
lf the lawmaker never
makes a mistake,

1374
01:07:29,425 --> 01:07:33,293
and still there's a loophole there,
why is that loophole there?

1375
01:07:33,329 --> 01:07:35,695
To be used in a situation of need.

1376
01:07:35,732 --> 01:07:38,132
But how did this get updated

1377
01:07:38,167 --> 01:07:39,794
for a 4,000-year-old rule?

1378
01:07:39,836 --> 01:07:41,701
lt seems there's an awful lot

1379
01:07:41,738 --> 01:07:43,399
that has to do with electricity.

1380
01:07:43,439 --> 01:07:45,498
Rabbi Halperin's work here
is translating it

1381
01:07:45,541 --> 01:07:47,509
into something more modern.

1382
01:07:50,346 --> 01:07:52,314
Let's look at some
of the gadgets you have.

1383
01:07:52,348 --> 01:07:55,875
l'm particularly interested in
the phone. ls there not a cell phone?

1384
01:07:55,918 --> 01:07:57,681
lt's not a cell phone.

1385
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,312
Okay, wow.

1386
01:07:59,355 --> 01:08:02,051
l have to say,
that looks modern.

1387
01:08:03,292 --> 01:08:06,853
Each number is trying
to dial itself all the time.

1388
01:08:08,865 --> 01:08:11,732
Hello. Hello.

1389
01:08:11,768 --> 01:08:13,429
When l take the stick

1390
01:08:13,469 --> 01:08:16,165
- and l put it into the hole...
- Hello.

1391
01:08:16,205 --> 01:08:18,298
...l'm inhibiting that
which is inhibiting

1392
01:08:18,341 --> 01:08:21,208
the number from dialing itself.

1393
01:08:21,244 --> 01:08:24,213
Let me ask about this.
lt's obviously a wheelchair.

1394
01:08:24,247 --> 01:08:26,374
- May l?
- Sure.

1395
01:08:28,317 --> 01:08:31,252
Oh, wow.

1396
01:08:31,287 --> 01:08:33,551
And this is not the new model,
l'm guessing.

1397
01:08:33,589 --> 01:08:35,887
- This is the experimental prototype.
- l see.

1398
01:08:35,925 --> 01:08:38,257
Schmuck!

1399
01:08:38,294 --> 01:08:41,923
- This runs on air pressure, right?
- Correct.

1400
01:08:41,964 --> 01:08:44,091
Basically, we've got
150 atmospheres

1401
01:08:44,133 --> 01:08:46,101
of pressure here.

1402
01:08:46,135 --> 01:08:48,603
We've got the turning it on,
turning it off here.

1403
01:08:48,638 --> 01:08:50,799
So air is okay.

1404
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,775
- Air good. Fire bad.
- Fire bad.

1405
01:08:53,810 --> 01:08:56,142
Fire bad!

1406
01:08:56,179 --> 01:08:58,272
We've taken an old bicycle--

1407
01:09:00,650 --> 01:09:02,777
- l forgot what it's called.
- Tire.

1408
01:09:02,819 --> 01:09:06,084
Okay. Air goes in,
air goes out.

1409
01:09:06,122 --> 01:09:07,783
lf l was a person
in that wheelchair,

1410
01:09:07,824 --> 01:09:10,884
l might say to myself,
''Why am l going to these lengths

1411
01:09:10,927 --> 01:09:14,419
to please God, who's taken away
my legs to begin with?''

1412
01:09:14,464 --> 01:09:17,797
Okay.

1413
01:09:17,834 --> 01:09:19,961
That would be fascinating.
lt's an elevator.

1414
01:09:20,002 --> 01:09:22,027
Oh, it's a Shabbatavator.

1415
01:09:22,071 --> 01:09:24,130
Let me guess,
you can't push a button...

1416
01:09:24,173 --> 01:09:26,698
- Correct.
- ...on the Sabbath.

1417
01:09:26,742 --> 01:09:30,508
The issues behind the scenes that
people don't see are the real problems.

1418
01:09:30,546 --> 01:09:32,844
An even bigger problem might
be how do you get someone

1419
01:09:32,882 --> 01:09:36,511
to put this in their building if
they're not completely nuts?

1420
01:09:36,552 --> 01:09:39,077
Well, actually, that really
doesn't make a difference.

1421
01:09:39,121 --> 01:09:40,349
Hmm.

1422
01:09:40,389 --> 01:09:42,880
How we define what is
crazy or not crazy

1423
01:09:42,925 --> 01:09:47,487
about religions is ultimately up
to how we define crazy.

1424
01:09:47,530 --> 01:09:50,192
lf you define mental illness
as anyone who hears a voice

1425
01:09:50,233 --> 01:09:53,669
talking to them, then anyone who has
heard the voice of God is crazy.

1426
01:10:11,687 --> 01:10:13,484
She talks about a prophecy

1427
01:10:13,523 --> 01:10:16,651
that these children needed to die.

1428
01:10:18,327 --> 01:10:21,057
The dispatcher asked
''Why did you do this?''

1429
01:10:21,097 --> 01:10:23,930
''l was told to.''
''Who told you?'' ''God.''

1430
01:10:27,336 --> 01:10:29,304
There is nothing

1431
01:10:29,338 --> 01:10:31,704
He may not ask of thee?

1432
01:10:33,042 --> 01:10:35,101
But in layman's terms,
Jesus was nuts.

1433
01:10:35,144 --> 01:10:37,874
Moses-- ''Stay here,
l'm going up

1434
01:10:37,914 --> 01:10:40,007
and getting the 10 Commandments
right from God.''

1435
01:10:40,049 --> 01:10:42,108
You know, 'cause one
thing l've also--

1436
01:10:42,151 --> 01:10:44,745
We didn't have brain-scan technology
back then, so it's a hard to tell.

1437
01:10:44,787 --> 01:10:47,551
l know, but if a guy says he went
up on a mountain and he talked to God,

1438
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:49,615
and He talked to him
through a burning bush,

1439
01:10:49,659 --> 01:10:51,593
that guy's a cuckoo.

1440
01:11:09,946 --> 01:11:12,278
All those pastors who refer to me

1441
01:11:12,315 --> 01:11:15,284
as the anti-Christ, false prophet,

1442
01:11:15,318 --> 01:11:17,878
it's because they're miserable.

1443
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,515
Anyone who doesn't believe
in me is miserable.

1444
01:11:27,229 --> 01:11:29,823
- My mike is on?
- Yes, sir.

1445
01:11:29,865 --> 01:11:32,163
Okay, who are you Biblically?

1446
01:11:32,201 --> 01:11:36,934
l am Jesus Christ man,
the second coming of Christ, l am.

1447
01:11:36,973 --> 01:11:39,271
The Old Testament speaks
about me clearly

1448
01:11:39,308 --> 01:11:40,969
and the New Testament also.

1449
01:11:41,010 --> 01:11:43,410
- About you personally?
- Yes.

1450
01:11:43,446 --> 01:11:46,847
Not just because you have--
you share the name Jesus?

1451
01:11:46,882 --> 01:11:49,646
- No, not because of that.
- You also share the name Miranda.

1452
01:11:49,685 --> 01:11:51,380
Maybe you're Carmen Miranda.

1453
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:53,411
Maybe the second coming of her?

1454
01:11:53,456 --> 01:11:56,948
You should have fruit on your head,
instead of fruit in your head.

1455
01:11:58,961 --> 01:12:00,622
Okay. Fuck you.
How's that?

1456
01:12:00,663 --> 01:12:04,064
Why do you think
God chose you?

1457
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:07,126
Jesus of Nazareth had a wife

1458
01:12:07,169 --> 01:12:10,104
so after they killed him,

1459
01:12:10,139 --> 01:12:14,075
his seed kept going,
maybe through France, Spain,

1460
01:12:14,110 --> 01:12:17,443
and then from Spain,
came to Puerto Rico.

1461
01:12:19,281 --> 01:12:22,614
The bloodline come
from Abraham, Abraham to David,

1462
01:12:22,652 --> 01:12:24,313
David to Jesus of Nazareth,

1463
01:12:24,353 --> 01:12:26,981
Jesus of Nazareth, me.

1464
01:12:27,023 --> 01:12:29,514
Okay, l though a second coming

1465
01:12:29,558 --> 01:12:32,356
was the reincarnation

1466
01:12:32,395 --> 01:12:34,625
of the Christ himself,

1467
01:12:34,664 --> 01:12:36,894
not a descendant of.

1468
01:12:36,932 --> 01:12:38,797
No, he's a descendant.

1469
01:12:38,834 --> 01:12:41,962
Descendant? Oh... but
you don't believe in hell?

1470
01:12:42,004 --> 01:12:44,063
- No.
- Or the Devil?

1471
01:12:44,106 --> 01:12:46,631
- No.
- Or even sin, right?

1472
01:12:46,676 --> 01:12:48,940
No, there's not
a sin any longer.

1473
01:12:48,978 --> 01:12:52,937
What you teach is that
Jesus died for our sins

1474
01:12:52,982 --> 01:12:56,418
and so there's not really
any sinning anymore.

1475
01:12:56,452 --> 01:13:00,047
- No more sin.
- This is like a diet doctor saying,

1476
01:13:00,089 --> 01:13:01,886
- ''Eat anything you want.''
- Right.

1477
01:13:01,924 --> 01:13:04,188
''You don't lose weight,
but it's easy to stick to.''

1478
01:13:04,226 --> 01:13:05,352
That's what l believe, Bill.

1479
01:13:05,394 --> 01:13:07,294
Oh, l know you do.

1480
01:13:07,329 --> 01:13:09,889
And l have many people
who believe in this.

1481
01:13:09,932 --> 01:13:11,900
And yet, you have a little--
you have a little twinkle

1482
01:13:11,934 --> 01:13:13,902
in your eye when say it.

1483
01:13:13,936 --> 01:13:16,962
No, l believe in that.
l believe.

1484
01:13:17,006 --> 01:13:20,965
How do we know? Because lots
of people would like this job.

1485
01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:22,875
How do you get this job
as the second coming?

1486
01:13:22,912 --> 01:13:24,470
lt's not on Craigslist.

1487
01:13:24,513 --> 01:13:27,073
- Yeah.
- l'm guessing. Maybe it is.

1488
01:13:27,116 --> 01:13:28,242
See, two angels--

1489
01:13:28,284 --> 01:13:30,548
Two guys named Angel,
Spanish guys.

1490
01:13:31,954 --> 01:13:33,649
You know what l'm talking about,

1491
01:13:33,689 --> 01:13:36,249
you fucking cockroach!

1492
01:13:36,292 --> 01:13:38,260
- No.
- Oh, actual angels.

1493
01:13:38,294 --> 01:13:40,592
- Two angels came to me...
- Okay.

1494
01:13:40,629 --> 01:13:42,893
...and they told me

1495
01:13:42,932 --> 01:13:45,423
''The Lord of Lords
and King of Kings

1496
01:13:45,468 --> 01:13:48,369
is coming to anoint you
for the ministry tonight.''

1497
01:13:48,404 --> 01:13:50,998
What form did the angels come in?
How tall?

1498
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,031
Little tall and strong.

1499
01:13:53,075 --> 01:13:54,872
Whatever they told me,
l obey.

1500
01:13:54,910 --> 01:13:57,003
l don't wanna mess
with them.

1501
01:13:57,046 --> 01:13:58,570
But l'm just saying,

1502
01:13:58,614 --> 01:14:01,208
it seems that if God wanted

1503
01:14:01,250 --> 01:14:03,548
to communicate something
to the world--

1504
01:14:03,586 --> 01:14:05,713
He's all powerful--

1505
01:14:05,755 --> 01:14:08,849
He would just talk
to the whole world.

1506
01:14:08,891 --> 01:14:12,258
lt always seems
He picks out a prophet in private

1507
01:14:12,294 --> 01:14:15,229
and tells them,
''Okay, you're the prophet.''

1508
01:14:15,264 --> 01:14:17,926
- l am.
- ''You go tell the rest of the world.''

1509
01:14:17,967 --> 01:14:19,696
So we just sort of
have to take it on faith.

1510
01:14:19,735 --> 01:14:21,930
We just sort of
have to believe you.

1511
01:14:21,971 --> 01:14:24,098
Right, yeah, it's true.

1512
01:14:27,143 --> 01:14:30,135
Abraham. Noah.

1513
01:14:30,179 --> 01:14:32,704
Lord, what shall l do?

1514
01:14:32,748 --> 01:14:34,238
Moses,

1515
01:14:34,283 --> 01:14:36,808
climb the mount alone.

1516
01:14:36,852 --> 01:14:39,787
Once again, the Lord had
spoken to Joseph Smith

1517
01:14:39,822 --> 01:14:42,222
as he had to Adam, Abraham,

1518
01:14:42,258 --> 01:14:45,989
Moses, Paul and others.

1519
01:14:46,028 --> 01:14:48,053
l am the first Christian.

1520
01:14:48,097 --> 01:14:51,726
And the rest are really
kind of Jewish, you're saying,

1521
01:14:51,767 --> 01:14:53,792
because they're following a Jew.

1522
01:14:53,836 --> 01:14:55,463
That's it.

1523
01:14:55,504 --> 01:14:57,472
ln fact, they put on the plates--

1524
01:14:57,506 --> 01:15:00,373
they say ''My boss is
a Jewish carpenter.''

1525
01:15:00,409 --> 01:15:03,901
How ridiculous is that?
A Jewish carpenter!

1526
01:15:03,946 --> 01:15:06,414
- lmagine.
- Come on, Jews hire carpenters.

1527
01:15:06,448 --> 01:15:08,075
They don't--

1528
01:15:08,117 --> 01:15:11,416
you know, people say
''l found my calling in life.''

1529
01:15:11,453 --> 01:15:13,683
And it's a good calling.
lt's a nice living.

1530
01:15:13,722 --> 01:15:16,088
People adore you.
Everywhere you go,

1531
01:15:16,125 --> 01:15:18,958
they treat you like Christ,
like you're the Messiah.

1532
01:15:18,994 --> 01:15:22,395
You know, if l discovered
that l was Satan in person,

1533
01:15:22,431 --> 01:15:24,296
l would do a good job, too,

1534
01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:26,801
because l would be
faithful to my calling.

1535
01:15:26,836 --> 01:15:29,100
lt's how you do
your work, isn't it?

1536
01:15:29,138 --> 01:15:31,072
You know, at the end of the day,
whether you're the Messiah

1537
01:15:31,106 --> 01:15:33,574
or you're Satan,
it's loving what you do

1538
01:15:33,609 --> 01:15:35,372
and giving it 100%.

1539
01:15:35,411 --> 01:15:37,345
l give 100%.

1540
01:15:37,379 --> 01:15:41,110
l wasn't born skeptical.

1541
01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:44,278
l was still making deals
with ''God'' when l was 40.

1542
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,220
l remember l quit smoking.

1543
01:15:46,255 --> 01:15:48,655
There was some shitty problem
l had in my life,

1544
01:15:48,691 --> 01:15:50,454
and l made
a deal with God,

1545
01:15:50,492 --> 01:15:52,517
''Okay, if you make
this problem go away,

1546
01:15:52,561 --> 01:15:55,428
l will quit smoking,
and l won't go back on it

1547
01:15:55,464 --> 01:15:58,194
'cause l'd know l'd be going back
on a deal with God.''

1548
01:15:58,234 --> 01:16:00,031
And you know, l gotta say,

1549
01:16:00,069 --> 01:16:02,663
l'm kind of glad l had ''God''

1550
01:16:02,705 --> 01:16:04,400
in my life.

1551
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,908
You are the head

1552
01:16:06,942 --> 01:16:11,345
of the First Universal Church
of Cantheism...

1553
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:13,974
- Yes.
- ...which is really built around

1554
01:16:14,016 --> 01:16:16,746
- this substance here.
- No.

1555
01:16:16,785 --> 01:16:19,913
No? Okay, l got that wrong.

1556
01:16:19,955 --> 01:16:21,980
But it's built
around smoking this.

1557
01:16:22,024 --> 01:16:24,322
l mean, it has no dogma, right?

1558
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:25,987
You're not preaching to anybody.
You're not saying

1559
01:16:26,028 --> 01:16:28,758
- you'll save their souls, no rituals.
- No.

1560
01:16:28,797 --> 01:16:30,822
How does this differ
from just getting wasted?

1561
01:16:30,866 --> 01:16:32,993
l mean that
in the best possible way, but--

1562
01:16:33,035 --> 01:16:35,230
l understand
the concept of God,

1563
01:16:35,271 --> 01:16:38,434
a feeling of one
with everything else.

1564
01:16:38,474 --> 01:16:41,068
Do you feel that
every time you smoke pot?

1565
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:43,237
No.

1566
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:45,611
Phew! l thought it was just me.

1567
01:16:45,648 --> 01:16:49,243
So why do you think
it's this family of drugs

1568
01:16:49,285 --> 01:16:52,379
that's so good
for opening our minds

1569
01:16:52,421 --> 01:16:54,355
as opposed to ludes, PCP,

1570
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:57,826
or smashing up your mother's diet pills
and smoking 'em in a pipe?

1571
01:16:59,461 --> 01:17:01,656
l don't know.
l don't know.

1572
01:17:05,601 --> 01:17:07,865
So l did want
to get your thoughts

1573
01:17:07,903 --> 01:17:10,497
about what's going on in this city.
This is your city.

1574
01:17:10,539 --> 01:17:13,440
There's a lot
of controversy with--

1575
01:17:13,475 --> 01:17:15,602
maybe the Dutch
are so tolerant

1576
01:17:15,644 --> 01:17:18,579
that they're now
tolerating intolerance.

1577
01:17:18,614 --> 01:17:21,208
There's a lot of tension
with the Muslim community.

1578
01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:24,413
lt's all religious fundamentalists.

1579
01:17:24,453 --> 01:17:26,853
They already killed
Theo Van Gogh,

1580
01:17:26,889 --> 01:17:29,983
who was a known
television maker.

1581
01:17:30,025 --> 01:17:33,552
This is the spot
where Theo Van Gogh

1582
01:17:33,595 --> 01:17:36,496
- was assassinated?
- This is exactly the spot.

1583
01:17:36,532 --> 01:17:39,057
He was a Dutch filmmaker.
He made a 10-minute film.

1584
01:17:39,101 --> 01:17:42,867
lt was deeply offensive
to Muslims.

1585
01:17:42,905 --> 01:17:46,204
Oh, Allah, you say
that men are the protectors

1586
01:17:46,241 --> 01:17:48,141
and maintainers of women

1587
01:17:48,177 --> 01:17:50,941
because you have given
the one more strength than the other.

1588
01:17:50,980 --> 01:17:52,709
l feel at least once a week,

1589
01:17:52,748 --> 01:17:55,342
the strength of my husband's fist

1590
01:17:55,384 --> 01:17:57,113
on my face.

1591
01:17:57,152 --> 01:17:59,643
Lots of people think
that free speech

1592
01:17:59,688 --> 01:18:04,455
goes right up to this point and then
when you're talking about religion,

1593
01:18:04,493 --> 01:18:07,985
when you're talking
about the Prophet, all bets are off.

1594
01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:10,123
lt goes both ways,
freedom of speech.

1595
01:18:10,165 --> 01:18:12,725
lt goes both ways,
but the people who actually--

1596
01:18:12,768 --> 01:18:16,602
usually do the killing for it
wind up on the Muslim side.

1597
01:18:16,638 --> 01:18:19,630
Do you think that says something
about the different cultures?

1598
01:18:19,675 --> 01:18:22,109
l don't want to have
the image of the Muslims,

1599
01:18:22,144 --> 01:18:23,805
you know, if they don't like
something you say,

1600
01:18:23,846 --> 01:18:25,313
they kill you, because it's not.

1601
01:18:26,882 --> 01:18:30,648
lt was a noisy crowd outside
the Danish embassy in London

1602
01:18:30,686 --> 01:18:34,383
as speakers condemned the cartoons
portraying the Prophet Mohammed.

1603
01:18:34,423 --> 01:18:37,915
l wish l could get
your music in America,

1604
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,124
but considering how controversial
it's been here in England...

1605
01:18:47,569 --> 01:18:49,434
lnitially, when l did the record,

1606
01:18:49,471 --> 01:18:51,666
a lot of people supported it,

1607
01:18:51,707 --> 01:18:54,870
but then,
in the current times that we're in,

1608
01:18:54,910 --> 01:18:56,400
people got really scared.

1609
01:18:56,445 --> 01:18:58,936
lt just shows
the stupidity of society,

1610
01:18:58,981 --> 01:19:02,382
which refuses
to discuss,

1611
01:19:02,418 --> 01:19:05,353
debate things
in an intelligent way.

1612
01:19:05,387 --> 01:19:06,911
And l don't except that.

1613
01:19:06,955 --> 01:19:08,820
l just put my middle finger up.

1614
01:19:08,857 --> 01:19:11,223
One of your big gripes--
and it's a valid one--

1615
01:19:11,260 --> 01:19:14,627
you keep saying that--
in fact, let me read your quote.

1616
01:19:14,663 --> 01:19:16,631
You said, ''Anyone worried
about what l'm saying

1617
01:19:16,665 --> 01:19:20,396
should get involved in the debate.
You are allowed to dissent.

1618
01:19:20,436 --> 01:19:22,700
- That is a right.''
- Yeah.

1619
01:19:22,738 --> 01:19:26,333
But is that a right
in lslam, to dissent?

1620
01:19:26,375 --> 01:19:28,468
Of course it is. Why do you think
there's so many schools of thought?

1621
01:19:28,510 --> 01:19:32,241
- Why do you think there's--
- lt wasn't a right for Salman Rushdie.

1622
01:19:32,281 --> 01:19:34,249
The demonstrators set off
from Hyde Park,

1623
01:19:34,283 --> 01:19:36,945
bringing much
of central London to a standstill.

1624
01:19:36,985 --> 01:19:40,182
Their hatred focused
on Salman Rushdie and his book.

1625
01:19:40,222 --> 01:19:43,055
The mullahs pressed home
their message in thousands of mosques--

1626
01:19:43,092 --> 01:19:45,083
Salman Rushdie must be killed.

1627
01:19:45,127 --> 01:19:47,823
See, Salman Rushdie
was there to provoke,

1628
01:19:47,863 --> 01:19:50,661
insult, and he did it
intentionally, right?

1629
01:19:50,699 --> 01:19:52,360
But should you die
for that?

1630
01:19:52,401 --> 01:19:54,733
No no, well, l mean,
like, that was--

1631
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:56,465
you know, it's easy
for you to say

1632
01:19:56,505 --> 01:19:58,598
things are kind of
in black and white.

1633
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,006
They're more complex than that.

1634
01:20:01,043 --> 01:20:03,238
There's emotions and passions

1635
01:20:03,278 --> 01:20:05,269
and philosophy involved

1636
01:20:05,314 --> 01:20:07,908
- and all that stuff.
- You know, all you gotta say is

1637
01:20:07,950 --> 01:20:11,442
it's wrong for someone
to have to suffer a death threat

1638
01:20:11,487 --> 01:20:14,012
- for writing a book.
- Well, hang on.

1639
01:20:14,056 --> 01:20:15,546
But apparently, it's more
complicated than that.

1640
01:20:15,591 --> 01:20:18,321
Well, it is because--
but l mean, Western--

1641
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,760
We'll never see
eye to eye there,

1642
01:20:20,796 --> 01:20:23,128
but you want that
protection for yourself.

1643
01:20:23,165 --> 01:20:25,133
No, l think
these debates are a lot--

1644
01:20:25,167 --> 01:20:29,001
l'm willing to discuss 'em
in terms of facts and not fictions.

1645
01:20:29,037 --> 01:20:30,561
When you disagree with me,
it's a fiction.

1646
01:20:30,606 --> 01:20:32,471
- No no.
- You have the truth

1647
01:20:32,508 --> 01:20:33,998
- and l have the fiction.
- No, l don't have the truth.

1648
01:20:34,042 --> 01:20:35,907
But you don't see that
there's a fundamental hypocrisy

1649
01:20:35,944 --> 01:20:38,037
of you asking
for the right to dissent

1650
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,173
and somebody else
getting a death threat?

1651
01:20:40,215 --> 01:20:43,514
No no, 'cause my dissent is
to stop the madness.

1652
01:20:48,924 --> 01:20:50,949
l'm here with Geert Wilders
here in The Hague,

1653
01:20:50,993 --> 01:20:52,620
which of course is
home to the World Court,

1654
01:20:52,661 --> 01:20:54,458
but also to the Dutch Parliament.

1655
01:20:54,496 --> 01:20:57,624
You are taking
a kind of hard line here

1656
01:20:57,666 --> 01:20:59,361
in the Netherlands.

1657
01:20:59,401 --> 01:21:02,700
lslam is, according to me,
a violent religion.

1658
01:21:02,738 --> 01:21:04,706
The Koran is a violent book

1659
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:06,708
and Mohammed was
a violent prophet.

1660
01:21:06,742 --> 01:21:09,210
Do you think lslam wants
to take over the world?

1661
01:21:09,244 --> 01:21:11,405
- They don't even make...
- Right right.

1662
01:21:11,446 --> 01:21:13,141
...a secret about it.

1663
01:21:13,182 --> 01:21:14,706
We are infidels.

1664
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:17,981
l mean, we should either become
lslamic or we should be killed.

1665
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:20,113
This is what they say.
This is what they are proud of.

1666
01:21:20,155 --> 01:21:22,487
Okay, we're here at Habibi Ana.

1667
01:21:22,524 --> 01:21:24,549
- Did l say that right?
- Yeah.

1668
01:21:24,593 --> 01:21:26,527
You guys, really--
l mean,

1669
01:21:26,562 --> 01:21:28,496
gay Muslim activists,

1670
01:21:28,530 --> 01:21:32,057
that is a very rare job description.
You guys have balls.

1671
01:21:33,735 --> 01:21:35,430
How big is
the gay community--

1672
01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:38,667
the gay Muslim community
here in Amsterdam?

1673
01:21:38,707 --> 01:21:41,005
Or is this it?

1674
01:21:41,043 --> 01:21:45,002
l mean, l'm guessing,
Thursday isn't--

1675
01:21:45,047 --> 01:21:47,743
isn't gay night here.

1676
01:21:47,783 --> 01:21:50,343
l hope you guys find
each other attractive,

1677
01:21:50,385 --> 01:21:52,478
'cause otherwise--

1678
01:21:52,521 --> 01:21:53,920
you don't feel afraid?

1679
01:21:53,956 --> 01:21:55,355
Here in Holland l'm not,

1680
01:21:55,390 --> 01:21:57,858
but when l came from my country,
l was very afraid.

1681
01:21:57,893 --> 01:21:59,190
There was an article of law:

1682
01:21:59,228 --> 01:22:01,389
Punish the gay
for one year just because he's gay.

1683
01:22:01,430 --> 01:22:03,990
- Just being gay can get you a year.
- Just being gay.

1684
01:22:04,032 --> 01:22:05,590
Same as Alabama.

1685
01:22:07,035 --> 01:22:09,833
What l learned is that
they're not really--

1686
01:22:09,871 --> 01:22:12,499
they're not specific
against homosexuality.

1687
01:22:12,541 --> 01:22:15,101
They're not specific against,
in other words,

1688
01:22:15,143 --> 01:22:17,577
the desire
of a man for a man.

1689
01:22:17,613 --> 01:22:21,105
What they are against
is specific behavior,

1690
01:22:21,149 --> 01:22:22,912
like anal sex.

1691
01:22:22,951 --> 01:22:27,047
They don't say homosexuality,
heterosexuality.

1692
01:22:27,089 --> 01:22:29,887
They just don't want you doing it
in the naughty place,

1693
01:22:29,925 --> 01:22:31,483
which l guess,

1694
01:22:31,526 --> 01:22:34,222
if you put that out
of the picture in homosexuality,

1695
01:22:34,263 --> 01:22:37,755
what do you have left?
Just the blowjob.

1696
01:22:39,635 --> 01:22:41,193
What do you think
when people say

1697
01:22:41,236 --> 01:22:43,500
it affects your memory,

1698
01:22:43,538 --> 01:22:45,733
especially your
short-term memory?

1699
01:22:45,774 --> 01:22:48,971
- lt does.
- And what do you think when people say

1700
01:22:49,011 --> 01:22:52,447
that it affects your memory,
your short-term memory?

1701
01:22:52,481 --> 01:22:54,278
lt does.

1702
01:22:56,618 --> 01:23:00,076
- l like my hat.
- lt's good. You look good, too.

1703
01:23:00,122 --> 01:23:02,249
l think l do.
l think l might adopt this look.

1704
01:23:02,291 --> 01:23:03,280
Yes.

1705
01:23:03,325 --> 01:23:05,555
ls there a reason
why you have a black hat

1706
01:23:05,594 --> 01:23:07,118
and l have a white hat?

1707
01:23:07,162 --> 01:23:09,494
We have any color you like.

1708
01:23:09,531 --> 01:23:12,500
So l bought this.
l like it myself

1709
01:23:12,534 --> 01:23:14,729
because l like the color.

1710
01:23:14,770 --> 01:23:18,570
There is a lot of tension
in the last five years or so.

1711
01:23:18,607 --> 01:23:22,600
ls lslam a threat
to Dutch values?

1712
01:23:22,644 --> 01:23:25,135
lslam is preaching,

1713
01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:27,171
above all, peace.

1714
01:23:27,215 --> 01:23:29,445
Peace, peace and peace.

1715
01:23:51,740 --> 01:23:54,140
The name lslam means peace.

1716
01:23:54,176 --> 01:23:56,474
And yet it is involved
in a lot of war and violence.

1717
01:23:56,511 --> 01:23:58,376
Yeah, it's just all politics.

1718
01:23:58,413 --> 01:24:00,278
- Nothing to do with religion?
- No no.

1719
01:24:00,315 --> 01:24:01,942
- No?
- No, sir.

1720
01:24:01,983 --> 01:24:03,951
- lt's political.
- lt's politics.

1721
01:24:03,985 --> 01:24:05,782
Seems to be
a lot of passages

1722
01:24:05,821 --> 01:24:08,221
that say the infidel

1723
01:24:08,256 --> 01:24:11,555
is not the equal
of the believer.

1724
01:24:11,593 --> 01:24:13,652
The infidel will die in hell.

1725
01:24:13,695 --> 01:24:16,664
Don't feel bad
about hating the infidel.

1726
01:24:16,698 --> 01:24:19,826
- No.
- No?

1727
01:24:19,868 --> 01:24:21,859
Boy, l've got
bad information.

1728
01:24:21,903 --> 01:24:23,165
Yes, you have.
l think so.

1729
01:24:23,205 --> 01:24:25,799
- No no no no no.
- No no no no.

1730
01:24:25,841 --> 01:24:27,399
- No no no no.
- No.

1731
01:24:27,442 --> 01:24:30,070
No? No. l'm wrong
about everything.

1732
01:24:30,112 --> 01:24:33,843
The way l perceive things in the Koran
is not about killing infidels.

1733
01:24:33,882 --> 01:24:36,646
- But you have read it in there?
- Of course l've read the Koran.

1734
01:24:36,685 --> 01:24:39,518
You've read those passages, and what
did you think when you read them?

1735
01:24:39,554 --> 01:24:42,079
No, but l explain those
passages within the time

1736
01:24:42,124 --> 01:24:44,217
in which they emerged
in the world.

1737
01:24:44,259 --> 01:24:45,749
That's not how people
read holy books.

1738
01:24:45,794 --> 01:24:47,386
People don't read
holy books and go,

1739
01:24:47,429 --> 01:24:50,091
''Well, that was good for then.''
People who read holy books and go,

1740
01:24:50,132 --> 01:24:52,293
''This is the word of God.
lt's forever!''

1741
01:24:52,334 --> 01:24:55,235
- No, l don't agree.
- That's how most people do it.

1742
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:57,864
l just don't buy it
that these guys are

1743
01:24:57,906 --> 01:25:00,170
in this state of denial.

1744
01:25:00,208 --> 01:25:02,904
l think they're just
in a state of denial

1745
01:25:02,944 --> 01:25:04,935
to an outsider.

1746
01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:07,710
They will not admit
anything is wrong

1747
01:25:07,749 --> 01:25:10,445
with their culture
to an outsider.

1748
01:25:10,485 --> 01:25:12,578
Muslims were imperialists

1749
01:25:12,621 --> 01:25:15,351
in the century
after Mohammed's death.

1750
01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:18,052
They conquered most
of the known world

1751
01:25:18,093 --> 01:25:19,788
in one century.

1752
01:25:19,828 --> 01:25:22,763
Yeah, it is possible.

1753
01:25:22,798 --> 01:25:24,698
You call it conquer.

1754
01:25:24,733 --> 01:25:26,462
l think they were trying

1755
01:25:26,501 --> 01:25:29,470
to spread lslam.

1756
01:25:29,504 --> 01:25:33,099
Well, they were, but they weren't doing
it by singing ''Kumbaya.''

1757
01:25:33,141 --> 01:25:35,075
Excuse me.

1758
01:25:36,244 --> 01:25:37,939
Sorry.

1759
01:25:37,979 --> 01:25:40,971
Oh, that 21st century's
always busting in.

1760
01:25:43,018 --> 01:25:45,043
l'm going to shut it off.

1761
01:25:45,086 --> 01:25:49,045
l love it that he's got ''Kashmir''
as his ringtone.

1762
01:25:53,795 --> 01:25:55,786
Okay, l shut it off.

1763
01:25:55,831 --> 01:25:58,129
- Sorry, l was--
- Yeah...

1764
01:26:00,202 --> 01:26:01,191
Politics, okay.

1765
01:26:03,939 --> 01:26:06,931
Do you think it's possible
that when we're on something

1766
01:26:06,975 --> 01:26:08,806
like marijuana
or mushrooms

1767
01:26:08,844 --> 01:26:11,904
and believe we're having a very
spiritual experience,

1768
01:26:11,947 --> 01:26:14,472
that we're just high?

1769
01:26:14,516 --> 01:26:17,610
- lt's-- it's--
- Oh, look out your head's on fire!

1770
01:26:17,652 --> 01:26:19,847
Boy, talk about
the light bulb going off,

1771
01:26:19,888 --> 01:26:23,346
- that was your whole head.
- l don't like candles behind me.

1772
01:26:23,391 --> 01:26:26,588
No. Oh, look,
l found another joint.

1773
01:26:26,628 --> 01:26:28,619
Uh-oh.

1774
01:26:30,065 --> 01:26:32,499
Can we get closer?

1775
01:26:32,534 --> 01:26:35,662
That is one hell of a wall.

1776
01:26:51,887 --> 01:26:53,252
This is the Dome of the Rock?

1777
01:26:53,288 --> 01:26:56,382
This is the Dome of the Rock.
According to lslam...

1778
01:27:01,663 --> 01:27:03,028
On a horse?

1779
01:27:10,171 --> 01:27:11,263
He went to heaven on the horse?

1780
01:27:12,340 --> 01:27:13,739
Why is it holy for the Jews?

1781
01:27:38,033 --> 01:27:40,467
A rock. The Kaaba?

1782
01:27:40,502 --> 01:27:42,163
lsn't that--

1783
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:45,963
Stone, rock, the same thing.

1784
01:27:47,576 --> 01:27:49,669
Why is that holy?

1785
01:27:52,747 --> 01:27:53,771
Paradise.

1786
01:27:53,815 --> 01:27:57,546
Could the rock itself have been
what we know now to be like a meteor?

1787
01:28:01,122 --> 01:28:03,750
But does it make a difference
that we now understand

1788
01:28:03,792 --> 01:28:05,259
what a meteor is?

1789
01:28:06,561 --> 01:28:07,585
Yes, right.

1790
01:28:07,629 --> 01:28:09,256
Okay.

1791
01:28:09,297 --> 01:28:11,265
This is the Mount
of Olives.

1792
01:28:11,299 --> 01:28:14,530
A lot of Orthodox Jews want
to be buried here,

1793
01:28:14,569 --> 01:28:16,969
'cause they believe that
when the Messiah comes,

1794
01:28:17,005 --> 01:28:19,098
he will raise them from
the dead and march them through

1795
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:22,405
that golden gate
and onto the Temple Mount,

1796
01:28:22,444 --> 01:28:26,073
which is why the Muslims
have walled up the gate.

1797
01:28:26,114 --> 01:28:28,548
The better to keep out
the Jewish Messiah

1798
01:28:28,583 --> 01:28:30,983
and his kosher zombies
from getting in.

1799
01:28:31,019 --> 01:28:34,921
Although you'd think that
if you had the power to raise the dead,

1800
01:28:34,956 --> 01:28:37,254
you'd have the power
to jump a fence.

1801
01:28:39,527 --> 01:28:41,154
l thought l would not be allowed

1802
01:28:41,196 --> 01:28:43,756
to walk in a mosque.

1803
01:28:43,798 --> 01:28:45,265
l thought only someone of your faith

1804
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:47,029
was allowed to do that.

1805
01:29:01,683 --> 01:29:03,708
Why is he angry?

1806
01:29:05,353 --> 01:29:06,945
They're angry that
you're talking to me?

1807
01:29:13,662 --> 01:29:16,324
Women in your culture

1808
01:29:16,364 --> 01:29:18,832
seem not to be as equal

1809
01:29:18,867 --> 01:29:21,233
to the man as they
are in our culture.

1810
01:29:23,171 --> 01:29:24,331
Yes.

1811
01:29:26,141 --> 01:29:28,575
l talked to a Muslim scholar today.

1812
01:29:28,610 --> 01:29:32,706
And he said that Mohammed
had a meeting here.

1813
01:29:41,056 --> 01:29:44,321
Mohammed never set his foot

1814
01:29:44,359 --> 01:29:47,692
on that Temple Mount,
not even one foot.

1815
01:29:47,729 --> 01:29:50,357
Never ever.

1816
01:29:50,398 --> 01:29:53,993
He was never in the land
of lsrael, that's a historical fact.

1817
01:30:04,679 --> 01:30:07,045
l think even
l understand that.

1818
01:30:07,082 --> 01:30:10,813
Why can't the people
of the different faiths get along?

1819
01:30:10,852 --> 01:30:14,811
All three religions
consider the same site

1820
01:30:14,856 --> 01:30:16,847
to be holy.

1821
01:30:18,693 --> 01:30:21,184
ls it not because it was
conquered many times?

1822
01:30:21,229 --> 01:30:25,222
- Yes.
- lt was conquered first by King David,

1823
01:30:25,266 --> 01:30:27,234
and then later by
the armies coming out

1824
01:30:27,268 --> 01:30:30,101
of the Arabian Desert.

1825
01:30:30,138 --> 01:30:31,833
- lt changed hands during the crusades.
- We had the Romans.

1826
01:30:31,873 --> 01:30:33,431
We had the Byzantines.
We had the Persians.

1827
01:30:37,245 --> 01:30:40,009
There's more than
one mosque in the world

1828
01:30:40,048 --> 01:30:42,949
that used to be a church,
and before that was a temple.

1829
01:30:42,984 --> 01:30:46,420
Because it's a lot easier
just to change the sign on the top

1830
01:30:46,454 --> 01:30:47,887
and say
''under new management''

1831
01:30:47,922 --> 01:30:50,516
than it is to change
the whole building.

1832
01:30:50,558 --> 01:30:52,526
l worked a lot
of comedy clubs in the '80s

1833
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,427
that still had
the disco ball on the ceiling.

1834
01:30:55,463 --> 01:30:57,931
And in the '90s,
they became strip clubs

1835
01:30:57,966 --> 01:31:00,560
and now
they're a Starbucks.

1836
01:31:00,602 --> 01:31:04,561
l've come today to the village
of Cerne Abbas in Southern England

1837
01:31:04,606 --> 01:31:08,064
to show you something
completely different.

1838
01:31:08,109 --> 01:31:11,044
lt's in the shape
of a giant naked man

1839
01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:14,378
with a sizable erection--
well, sizable for England.

1840
01:31:14,415 --> 01:31:15,905
Some people think
that this means

1841
01:31:15,950 --> 01:31:19,078
that there is a giant actually
buried under that hill.

1842
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,088
Others think it has something
to do with crop circles

1843
01:31:21,122 --> 01:31:24,182
or ancient space visitors
or Druids,

1844
01:31:24,225 --> 01:31:26,193
but nobody really knows.

1845
01:31:26,227 --> 01:31:28,718
And that's what
l find fascinating about this,

1846
01:31:28,763 --> 01:31:31,391
is that it doesn't
really mean anything.

1847
01:31:31,432 --> 01:31:34,230
The locals have been
maintaining it for centuries,

1848
01:31:34,269 --> 01:31:36,294
and they don't
really know why.

1849
01:31:36,337 --> 01:31:38,362
They just do it because
they've always done it,

1850
01:31:38,406 --> 01:31:40,601
and isn't that
religion for you?

1851
01:31:40,642 --> 01:31:43,941
Sometimes you kneel,
sometimes you fast

1852
01:31:43,978 --> 01:31:46,037
and sometimes
you go up on the hill

1853
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,140
and you cut the grass
around the giant space penis.

1854
01:31:49,184 --> 01:31:51,311
Do you believe,
as so many Christians do nowadays,

1855
01:31:51,352 --> 01:31:53,320
that the world will end?

1856
01:31:53,354 --> 01:31:56,346
l think we are in the end times.
There are many many signs.

1857
01:31:56,391 --> 01:31:58,791
The world as we know it
will come to an end.

1858
01:31:58,827 --> 01:32:00,294
And beyond that,

1859
01:32:00,328 --> 01:32:03,627
there will be the glorious
second coming of Jesus Christ.

1860
01:32:06,501 --> 01:32:09,129
lt seems peaceful,

1861
01:32:09,170 --> 01:32:12,401
but this is the very spot where
a lot of Christians believe

1862
01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:14,135
life on earth will end.

1863
01:32:14,175 --> 01:32:16,609
The irony of religion
is that because

1864
01:32:16,644 --> 01:32:19,340
of its power to divert man

1865
01:32:19,380 --> 01:32:21,746
to destructive courses,

1866
01:32:21,783 --> 01:32:24,877
the world actually
could come to an end.

1867
01:32:24,919 --> 01:32:27,513
A lot of people
in this country believe

1868
01:32:27,555 --> 01:32:28,954
in end times.

1869
01:32:28,990 --> 01:32:31,618
There will be this great
reckoning, the Rapture.

1870
01:32:31,659 --> 01:32:34,389
- Do you believe that?
- l do.

1871
01:32:41,436 --> 01:32:43,996
But if you believe that the world is
gonna come to an end,

1872
01:32:44,038 --> 01:32:46,006
and perhaps any day now,

1873
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,702
does it not drain
one's motivation

1874
01:32:48,743 --> 01:32:51,177
to improve life on earth
while we're here?

1875
01:33:02,223 --> 01:33:04,885
The plain fact is,
religion must die

1876
01:33:04,926 --> 01:33:07,087
for mankind to live.

1877
01:33:07,128 --> 01:33:10,063
The hour is getting very late
to be able to indulge

1878
01:33:10,098 --> 01:33:13,727
in having key decisions made
by religious people,

1879
01:33:13,768 --> 01:33:16,896
by irrationalists, by those
who would steer the ship of state

1880
01:33:16,938 --> 01:33:19,907
not by a compass,
but by the equivalent

1881
01:33:19,941 --> 01:33:22,341
of reading the entrails
of a chicken.

1882
01:33:22,377 --> 01:33:24,709
George Bush prayed
a lot about lraq,

1883
01:33:24,746 --> 01:33:26,577
but he didn't learn
a lot about it.

1884
01:33:26,614 --> 01:33:28,081
l don't know that much
about politics,

1885
01:33:28,116 --> 01:33:29,708
l'll vote for President Bush
because of his faith.

1886
01:33:29,751 --> 01:33:34,017
Faith means making
a virtue out of not thinking.

1887
01:33:34,055 --> 01:33:35,682
lt's nothing to brag about.

1888
01:33:35,723 --> 01:33:38,556
And those who preach faith
and enable and elevate it

1889
01:33:38,593 --> 01:33:41,221
are our intellectual slaveholders,

1890
01:33:41,262 --> 01:33:43,560
keeping mankind in a bondage

1891
01:33:43,598 --> 01:33:45,589
to fantasy and nonsense

1892
01:33:45,633 --> 01:33:47,430
that has spawned and justified

1893
01:33:47,468 --> 01:33:50,596
so much lunacy and destruction.

1894
01:33:50,638 --> 01:33:53,937
Religion is dangerous
because it allows human beings

1895
01:33:53,975 --> 01:33:55,442
who don't have all the answers

1896
01:33:55,476 --> 01:33:57,535
to think that they do.

1897
01:33:57,578 --> 01:33:59,546
Most people would think
it's wonderful when someone says,

1898
01:33:59,580 --> 01:34:02,777
''l'm willing, Lord.
l'll do whatever You want me to do.''

1899
01:34:02,817 --> 01:34:06,913
Except that since there
are no gods actually talking to us,

1900
01:34:06,955 --> 01:34:10,584
that void is filled in by people
with their own corruptions,

1901
01:34:10,625 --> 01:34:14,117
- limitations and agendas.
- lt's going to happen,

1902
01:34:14,162 --> 01:34:16,187
and l'm not saying
necessarily nuclear--

1903
01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:17,595
The Lord didn't say nuclear--

1904
01:34:17,632 --> 01:34:19,793
but l do believe it'll
be something like that.

1905
01:34:19,834 --> 01:34:21,563
And anyone who tells you
they know--

1906
01:34:21,602 --> 01:34:24,594
they just know
what happens when you die,

1907
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:26,539
l promise you, you don't.

1908
01:34:26,574 --> 01:34:29,907
How can l be so sure?
Because l don't know,

1909
01:34:29,944 --> 01:34:33,141
and you do not possess
mental powers that l do not.

1910
01:34:33,181 --> 01:34:35,775
The only appropriate attitude
for man to have

1911
01:34:35,817 --> 01:34:38,285
about the big questions

1912
01:34:38,319 --> 01:34:40,685
is not the arrogant certitude

1913
01:34:40,722 --> 01:34:42,747
that is the hallmark of religion,

1914
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:45,759
but doubt. Doubt is humble,

1915
01:34:45,793 --> 01:34:47,624
and that's what
man needs to be,

1916
01:34:47,662 --> 01:34:51,325
considering that human history
is just a litany

1917
01:34:51,366 --> 01:34:54,358
of getting shit dead wrong.

1918
01:34:54,402 --> 01:34:56,870
Jesus is coming back
to rescue the Jews,

1919
01:34:56,904 --> 01:34:59,304
because he is
the only one that can.

1920
01:34:59,340 --> 01:35:01,808
The believer goes in the paradise.

1921
01:35:01,843 --> 01:35:05,176
Unbeliever, they will go to hell.

1922
01:35:05,213 --> 01:35:08,546
The Jews are the only reason
that l am a Christian.

1923
01:35:08,583 --> 01:35:10,676
- l love them.
- But you're not gonna take them

1924
01:35:10,718 --> 01:35:13,312
- to heaven with you, are you?
- l'm gonna go in the Rapture,

1925
01:35:13,354 --> 01:35:16,152
and l'm gonna come back
on a white horse.

1926
01:35:26,334 --> 01:35:29,360
So you think Jesus
will end this earth at some point,

1927
01:35:29,404 --> 01:35:31,031
maybe in your lifetime?

1928
01:35:31,072 --> 01:35:33,040
One always hopes.
This is a sign, and that is a sign.

1929
01:35:33,074 --> 01:35:35,167
lf a nuclear bomb went off,

1930
01:35:35,209 --> 01:35:38,042
and it seemed like that was
exactly what it had said,

1931
01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:40,547
balls of fire or something,

1932
01:35:40,581 --> 01:35:42,515
you wouldn't look on that
as necessarily a bad thing.

1933
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:44,177
l know l'll be with God.

1934
01:35:44,218 --> 01:35:46,186
This is why rational people,

1935
01:35:46,220 --> 01:35:47,847
anti-religionists,

1936
01:35:47,889 --> 01:35:49,857
must end their timidity
and come out of the closet

1937
01:35:49,891 --> 01:35:51,688
and assert themselves.

1938
01:35:51,726 --> 01:35:54,923
And those who consider themselves
only moderately religious

1939
01:35:54,962 --> 01:35:57,021
really need to look
in the mirror and realize

1940
01:35:57,065 --> 01:35:59,659
that the solace and comfort
that religion brings you

1941
01:35:59,700 --> 01:36:02,498
actually comes
at a terrible price.

1942
01:36:02,537 --> 01:36:05,563
lt says in the last days
there'll be wars, rumors of wars.

1943
01:36:05,606 --> 01:36:07,836
The Bible prophesies
from the Book of Revelation--

1944
01:36:07,875 --> 01:36:09,866
they're going to be fulfilled!

1945
01:36:09,911 --> 01:36:11,879
Can this be accomplished
without violence?

1946
01:36:11,913 --> 01:36:15,076
- No.
- lslam ruling the world,

1947
01:36:15,116 --> 01:36:16,413
global jihad.

1948
01:36:16,451 --> 01:36:18,043
- Who will win out?
- We'll win.

1949
01:36:18,086 --> 01:36:20,350
That's for God to decide
on Judgment Day.

1950
01:36:30,231 --> 01:36:33,462
lf you belonged to a political
party or a social club

1951
01:36:33,501 --> 01:36:36,868
that was tied
to as much bigotry, misogyny,

1952
01:36:36,904 --> 01:36:38,633
homophobia, violence

1953
01:36:38,673 --> 01:36:40,903
and sheer ignorance
as religion is,

1954
01:36:40,942 --> 01:36:42,500
you'd resign in protest.

1955
01:36:42,543 --> 01:36:44,977
To do otherwise is
to be an enabler,

1956
01:36:45,012 --> 01:36:46,809
a Mafia wife,

1957
01:36:46,848 --> 01:36:49,578
with the true devils of extremism

1958
01:36:49,617 --> 01:36:51,050
that draw their legitimacy

1959
01:36:51,085 --> 01:36:53,451
from the billions
of their fellow travelers.

1960
01:36:53,488 --> 01:36:57,151
lf the world does come
to an end here or wherever,

1961
01:36:57,191 --> 01:37:00,285
or if it limps into the future,
decimated by the effects

1962
01:37:00,328 --> 01:37:03,388
of a religion-inspired
nuclear terrorism,

1963
01:37:03,431 --> 01:37:05,592
let's remember
what the real problem was:

1964
01:37:05,633 --> 01:37:08,761
That we learned how
to precipitate mass death

1965
01:37:08,803 --> 01:37:11,636
before we got past
the neurological disorder

1966
01:37:11,672 --> 01:37:14,038
of wishing for it.

1967
01:37:14,075 --> 01:37:17,806
That's it. Grow up or die.

1968
01:37:20,114 --> 01:37:24,073
We are in a conflict
between good and evil.

1969
01:40:46,153 --> 01:40:48,713
See you in heaven.

1970
01:40:48,756 --> 01:40:50,383
Who knows?

1971
01:40:51,792 --> 01:40:53,760
Yeah, exactly.